psyker-class

[wheat tulip]

mk3 is good it just has bad melee

[analog apex]

for future skill trees(however far away they may be) what 4th skill tree do yall want for psyker? i was discussing with a friend the other day about how i dont really "love" any of the aesthetics for psykers abilities, like, i guess smites cool cuz lightning but other than that, i enjoy the class but dont find any of it aesthetically pleasing and upon thinking about it, i would love a gravity/squishing tree. i want to stomp heretics into paste with a giant invisible boot kinda gravity

[wheat tulip]

which doesnt matter, Im packing a dclaw for a reason

[bleak tulip]

"why use car when horse drawn carriage do job"

[wheat tulip]

I was missing gunner headshot kills with the mk1, Im not lining that shit up twice after its done its whole dance, mk2 you can just body shot because its fast mk3 headshots kill mk1 is the blacksheep

[bleak tulip]

I for one am glad aim trainer left clicking on heads to get acceptable results isnt the vet meta anymore with XII like it used to be

[past light]

do all 3 voices have that insane scream I hear sometimes when I play my zealot main?

[ornate hamlet]

I'm a survivor of the bolter vet meta

[vast yew]

Mk1 takes .4 seconds to charge, Mk3 takes .5 seconds, but Mk1 deals 20% less damage

[bleak tulip]

oh yeah I didnt play during that thank fuck

[kindred ivy]

bolter is fun, just too clunky

[bleak tulip]

bolter deserved it

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now-its-clear-now-i-understand-now-gif-21256627

[kindred ivy]

needs buffs

[past light]

lmao

[ornate hamlet]

Vets when they could negate every downside of the weapon by pressing F

[vast yew]

(except reloading)

or did you mean back in the day

[ornate hamlet]

Even that if they picked the talent for it

[past light]

I mean sometimes I hear this maniacal laughter over the comms when playing with a psyker, but don't know which of the 3 voices it is, if not all

[wheat tulip]

doesnt it have the speedloader blessing, besides cant you get like 50% reload speed from vet tree

[bleak tulip]

im sure there was assbrained things you could do to skip parts of the reload animation back then right

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, everyone ran that instareload instapull massive damage bolter bullshit

[vast yew]

you aren't taking Speedloader lol

[bleak tulip]

because there sure as shit is for plasma

[wheat tulip]

bolters blessings suck

[ornate hamlet]

Bolter could delete a crusher patrol

[wheat tulip]

its got 1 good one and the rest are for staggering things, except you turn them into red mist nothigns getting staggered

[vast yew]

also I just checked and no speedloader

so even if you could it doesn't exist

[wheat tulip]

well thats the buff, give it speedloader

[harsh urchin]

To be fair, if somebody came into zealot chat and said:

"Hey I'm new which zealot melee should I try out?"

and you had someone saying "the best weapon in the game is achlys axe and heavy sword7"

it'd be pretty much the same outcome lmao

[vast yew]

I wouldn't call them a dipshit I'd just say they were wrong, to be fair

Ignorance is no excuse for lack of decorum

[wheat tulip]

rashad and crusher, both for doing what they do very well, chaff clear for the first and elite waves for the second

[harsh urchin]

#veteran-class message

[vast yew]

No I know, you went through it

but it's not worth getting upset and losing your cool over

[harsh urchin]

of course lol

[vast yew]

Other people being wrong is going to happen, a lot

[harsh urchin]

i don't really care if people want to be wrong themselves tbh, it's the way they wanna play

it's just infuriating when they're giving out false information

to people who are asking for help

[ornate hamlet]

Mood

[vast yew]

Very fair

[harsh urchin]

like if you wanna be bad, then just be bad it's fine

but don't tell other ppl bad info

anyways whatever lol

[wheat tulip]

giving out false info is the best way to get real info

[ornate hamlet]

Some dude loving lacerate knife is okay, but the moment someone asks for knife blessings and that dude pulls out the lacerate flesh tearer, I'm tearing a hole in his flesh

[vast yew]

I actually wonder if something like the Psyker Atheneum or Ogrynomicon that goes through breakpoints and how to hit them from an open-minded outlook wouldn't benefit the other classes

[harsh urchin]

i think there's a big diff

between someone being like

[bleak tulip]

heated vet chat moment #2343

[wheat tulip]

its always plasma too, next it will be someones saying they use charged shots

[vast yew]

nah it'll be someone recommending taking Gloryhunter so you can tank Gunners

[bleak tulip]

I sometimes use charged shots just to feel something

sue me

[harsh urchin]

ye i think people are generally nice about it

[wheat tulip]

I always tank gunners on vet though, you just shoot in their general direction and they stop shooting at you after

[harsh urchin]

they're like "bleed caps at 16 so having 2 bleed talents doenst work that well blah blah"

[wheat tulip]

vet is the one class ive never had gunner issues with

[vast yew]

oh speaking of bleed knives

[harsh urchin]

and then the person is like
"oh ok, what do you recommend instead then?"
or
"i love my bleed knife stfu"

[vast yew]

check #zealot-class

[bleak tulip]

bleed knife zealots have been a meme for so long

I cant believe people still do it

[vast yew]

every class has it's "bait" builds

that look like they're good until you squint at the numbers

or you learn that Fatshark trolled you, like that poor bastard who was here last week with his Surge-Trauma

[bleak tulip]

"I'M horde cleaering wif knoife"

takes literally 15 seconds to kill 20 poxwalkers

[wheat tulip]

alright why use a knife on psyker though when dueling swords beat them in every category but mobility

[vast yew]

Mobility

[ornate hamlet]

we live in a world where people will wipe their ass 10 times with toilet paper, you suggest a bidet and they go "ugh, have you not heard of personal preference you toxic asshole"

[bleak tulip]

knife zealots stacking bleed for horde clear is like APM spam for darktide

[thorn cedar]

my asshole is pretty toxic

[vast yew]

my apartment's water hookup is freaking weird for a bidet and my roommates disagree so I must go without

one day

[wheat tulip]

I prefer toilet paper because I get to both kill trees and pollute the planet at the same time

[harsh urchin]

bleed + speed

there is a need

[wheat tulip]

a need for speed

[harsh urchin]

my pants i have peed

[wheat tulip]

bring back dodge reset on weakpoint hit for DS

then you can just dodge around at the speed of light everywhere

[harsh urchin]

boss dps is a bit easier on the knife i've found

cuz ds really needs headshots

and if the boss isn't on you, it's a bit harder to get them

[vast yew]

give Tier 4 Blazing Spirit to Trauma

DS and Trauma need buffs, trust

[bleak tulip]

make trauma blaze stack to 16, purg users in shambles

[vast yew]

4 stacks per crit, stacking to 8 would already be a crazy buff

[bleak tulip]

its fine guys it needs it

trauma bad

pls buff

[olive ember]

can I get a purge staff buff pls

instead of warp flurry how about a rending on crit blessing 😄

[bleak tulip]

"we removed the last remaining crap blessings, there is now only two"

best I can do for you

[vast yew]

Brittle on Crit would seem to make more sense for Purg

but either Rending or Brittle would be great on it

[vale nacelle]

Best I can do is 2 stacks on crit. Take it or leave it

[summer prairie]

There's a purg/flamer blessing template that gives rending on burning targets

[bleak tulip]

that would just be "oh you just get free brittle in 0.3s"

but yeah add some of these to purg

why not

I want showstopper to be good

[ornate hamlet]

Inspiring barrage nexus with empathic evasion

[vast yew]

would have to template it to be something like "Enemies hit receive 1-2% Brittleness per stack of Soulblaze, stacking up to 15 times) or something

[vale nacelle]

Change purg LMB to the same as every other staff but it explodes and adds soulblaze in a radius on hit.

[idle bay]

Showstopper needs to be like 50-75% chance for that expslosion to happens. Then it will be fun 🙂

[shadow wigeon]

Maybe a slow effect instea of stagger

[vast yew]

to be fair half of those don't work on Purgatus

either require ammo or affect reload speed

actually Inspiring also doesn't work; make that 2/3

[shadow wigeon]

you can reload a psyker ill show you where the ammo goes

[vast yew]

So it'd literally only be Showstopper and Fan the Flames that they could add

and if Hadron bricks one of my Purg staves with those Imma find you and make you watch Highlander 2

[bleak tulip]

look by "some of these" I basically meant showstopper

sue me

[vast yew]

[ornate hamlet]

We could also make it uh

Based on how long you RMB

Or scale with peril, but that would need some tweaking

[vast yew]

Could make it a talent also

Replace something useless on the Psyker tree with something that applies 1% Brittle per Soulblaze stack.
Like, Say, Unlucky for Some

[ornate hamlet]

And force me to take the elite aura

[vast yew]

though that would make you choose between it and Empathic Evasion

[ornate hamlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/968872058752737340/1165327565108560033/zinkalpine_-_1715765610557120599.gif?ex=654672de&is=6533fdde&hm=b0f8aa1664dc4df708d280c5461141bbbeb9769c1c9e7b632e98e8d7ff76ee4c&

[jolly bear]

I like how every psyker player I’ve met is a genuine crackhead

[vast yew]

or put it where Anticipation currently is and screw everyone's builds up

[jolly bear]

Y’all play the character

[vast yew]

....... character?

[bleak tulip]

you'd like that wouldnt you

[glossy ember]

make elite aura 10% or more and i'd consider it

[bleak tulip]

no you see it was too strong when it was 10

[vast yew]

the only build I use Elite Aura on is my Surge Staff build because otherwise I don't hit your breakpoints Booden

[bleak tulip]

we cant have auras actually doing something

that would go against design intent

[vast yew]

actually I might use it on Voidstrike too just because I dont' need CDR for Dome

[vocal iron]

yes

[glossy ember]

that's a trap because you miss out on empathic evasion tho

[ornate hamlet]

me when I have empathy for the evasion (I'm an empath)

[primal plume]

How do I convince my BF to make 2 new Psykers with me and to name mine ashley and his andrew?

[harsh urchin]

👄 🍆

[vast yew]

... on Surge?

I don't have the extra 20% crit from Gaze so I don't know if that'd work as well on my build

[glossy ember]

doesnt matter

[shadow wigeon]

Evasion is very strong on Surge, with the base crit.

[glossy ember]

u still start at like 33%

[vast yew]

I will need to see if I have any spare points

[shadow wigeon]

Espeecially with L1 spam

it's on almost 100% of the time

[glossy ember]

what do u use, creepin flames build?

[vast yew]

no, no I see what you're getting at

yeah CF

this is current setup:

[frigid briar]

I could use some help. I'm trying to find a mod that'll show my warp charges near my crosshair but no luck
blitz bar looks great, but is stuck in a bad place and I can't move it (mod options for position don't work)
crosshair HUD looks ugly AF and comes with a ton of other shit I don't want
those are the 2 I've tried. any advice would be appreciated

[glossy ember]

tough, i'd drop KD

[vast yew]

mmmmmmmmaybe

[glossy ember]

can't really drop PC in a creeping flames build, unfortunate

[vast yew]

I'll play around with it

[glossy ember]

well

you COULD drop pc

to reach the breakpoints

but idk how bad that'd be

[vast yew]

could drop PC and swap to Dome

[glossy ember]

in a creeping flames build

and at this point

yeah

[vast yew]

but that feels a bit weird

[glossy ember]

just swap to scrier

[vast yew]

like if I have Dome do I need Empathic

No

[glossy ember]

yes

because

you won't spam dome

if you have dome

the goal is to use it as little as possible so you keep warp charges

for max dmg

[vast yew]

indeed

also -36% Peril gen

👌

could also drop PC techincally

[vast yew]

need to actually install Ovenproof and see how much I'm actually getting from that

[glossy ember]

3 free points here

[vast yew]

Dome upgrade is mandatory IMO

50% toughness DR when it breaks is very good, because it will break on Damnation

hmmm

I think I'll play around with dropping PC or KD

I feel like half my builds just want one extra talent point

maddening

[shadow wigeon]

You don't need Evasion on Surge tho, it's just strong if you go that route

CF build I did not take it

although I ight try a run with it

already felt invulnaerable as it is

[vast yew]

I was thinking of if it would've helped the last couple times I've played Surge

there was one time I turned a corner and a few gunners were hiding in a corner and melted me

but if I'd been quicker I could've swapped to Illisi and just block-dodged outta there

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, I just got executed by a wall of shotgunners a moment ago, I wonder how that would have one with evasion

[vast yew]

yeah, hence why I'm considering trying to add it

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah that's the thing, surge doesn't have to be exposed the way other staffs do

[frigid briar]

evasion really isn't reliable in a tough spot like that

it's more of a general use talent

[willow hazel]

Is it even worth running EE with a surge staff/creeping flames? That build is already really strong into shooters

Feel like any of the toughness regen talents is better

[frigid briar]

like if you're consistently getting shot at as a gunker, yeah
if you need to occasionally not get turned into swiss, evasion won't help much

[vast yew]

that be what the other side of my brain is telling me

Was only a 33% chance or so to help

[frigid briar]

1 second really isn't a lot, either

[vast yew]

it'd be enough to prevent the toughness break stun from killing me

but then again, so would Deflector block

[frigid briar]

like if u got a reconlas or a columnus autogun, evasion is ridiculous

[vast yew]

aight think I'm gonna just keep it like it is then

[willow hazel]

The surge staff reaches like 50% crit chance, and fires about once per second. So theoretically it's 50% reduced ranged damage

[azure bridge]

wait surge can hit 50% crit chance?

[frigid briar]

you know what's 100% reduced damage? the bubble

with nexus blessing ye

[vast yew]

yeah, pretty easily.

7.5% base, 5% talent node, 21% Crit chance, 20% Nexus

[shadow wigeon]

Base crit is 21% on the staff

[willow hazel]

Or just kill the ranged enemies with creeping flames

[frigid briar]

what's creeping flames?

[azure bridge]

i feel like i've been building surge staff wrong

empathic evasion must be nuts on it

[vast yew]

Shriek upgrade that makes it apply 1-6 soulblaze stacks

[frigid briar]

ah, that

[shadow wigeon]

Surge/CF i don't use Evasion

[willow hazel]

ee isn't really needed with surge

[vast yew]

6 stacks kills everything smaller than a Bruiser, including shooters

[shadow wigeon]

but it's strong, if you want it

[frigid briar]

ye I know the build, I just don't know what every talent is called :V

[azure bridge]

i kinda do, i dropped it because i kept having trouble with shooters and hordes

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, the crux is that Surge doesn't have a problem with shooters, compared to other staffs

[frigid briar]

definitely wouldn't bother with evasion with a surge. like, I'll grab it if it's on the way, but I won't go out of my way to get it

[harsh urchin]

which melee are you bringing

[azure bridge]

dueling sword

[harsh urchin]

try bringing a melee

with better horde capabilities

[azure bridge]

i've got an illisi

[harsh urchin]

ye try that out

[frigid briar]

devil claw swords work pretty good too

they got a strong finesse stat

[azure bridge]

i dont need crit on the surge staff right?

[harsh urchin]

nope

[willow hazel]

crit is important

[harsh urchin]

you have enough crit from nexus

that you can skip it

[azure bridge]

i more meant i dont need the crit perk

my staff is a good roll but happens to have max crit bonus

[willow hazel]

No, the perk is mid

[azure bridge]

good my staff has 25 flak and mutant

[willow hazel]

But the Critical Bonus stat is reasonably important

[harsh urchin]

you want flak + elites/maniacs/cara/unyielding

anything you want

tbh

[azure bridge]

i have 25 flak and 25 mutant

[ornate hamlet]

Crit perk on surge, nah

Crit stat, definitely

[azure bridge]

so how do you play surge then, stay at high peril?

[harsh urchin]

no

lol

vent down to 0-30%

blast to 100

repeat

[willow hazel]

We play surge very differently

[frigid briar]

ye u don't edge a surge or trauma

that gets you killed

[azure bridge]

okay fair enough

always full charge or fire out half charges sometimes?

[harsh urchin]

depends

half charge kills shooters/bruisers

full charge always better dps against elites/gunners/etc

[willow hazel]

Full charge when possible, but a lot of breakpoints don't take multiple full charges

[azure bridge]

yeah, with 6 warp charges I can one shot both gunners

[strong gulch]

Edge on fire trauma.

[willow hazel]

Like Dreg Gunners die to 1 full charge + 1 min charge, or 1 full crit. So you have to react

[azure bridge]

suggested blitz?

I like the idea of assail

[harsh urchin]

your preference

[azure bridge]

I feel like if i dont take BB or smite i miss out on wildfire

[harsh urchin]

wildfire sucks anyways

[willow hazel]

I would skip wildfire

[harsh urchin]

you dont want to take that

[azure bridge]

and the talent that gives you 5% of combat ability back

[willow hazel]

that one is strong

[ornate hamlet]

Source: Trust me, sibling.

[strong gulch]

I like smite + CF with surge staff.

Assail is good too.

[harsh urchin]

pygex's surge smite vent build

is pretty good

[azure bridge]

link me it ?

if you would

[harsh urchin]

it is in the pins

[azure bridge]

gotcha a searching i do go

tyvm

[strong gulch]

Atheneum in the pins. It's in the example builds.

[vast yew]

oh lord

[azure bridge]

did pygex write all the athenum builds?

[atomic forum]

what melee do people like for crowd control on psyker. kinda just been slapping stuff with chainsword mk 13 light attacks but i don't really use the rev attack much so idk which of the other melees are dece for cc

[vast yew]

yeah though he gets input from other people occasionally

Booden showed him the magic tricks that 10% Elites/25% Flak can pull on Surge

[stark nova]

Why do psykers get like metal playing and bulk on their tops and helmets but then the trousers are just joggers

[azure bridge]

well that helps, everytime i hear of a pygex build i look in pins and don't see his name lol so i was like where are these builds

[strong gulch]

When hadron breaks a soul. 🥲

I'm with you.

[bleak tulip]

the most common damage type good on the weapon that hits center mass always again?

[vast yew]

Surge
Wait just a minute

[ornate hamlet]

Im trying my staff on the assail/scryer build

[honest wadi]

If i want to go full on Palpatine which build do you guys recommend

[ornate hamlet]

with my exorcist/unstable illisi blade

[vast yew]

Surge/Smite

either EP Smite or Creeping Flames/Warp Siphon Smite Spam (<- this one is probably better)

[strong gulch]

Exorcist + blazing spirit on SG.

[honest wadi]

do have link to such a build i can follow

[vast yew]

uhhh I think there's one in the Atheneum

yeah literally first build

[bleak tulip]

don't ep smite for the love of the emperor

[azure bridge]

so pygex's surge build has me taking wildfire

but i'm hearing that isn't all that great?

[vast yew]

Wildfire kinda bad BUT it does spread Soulblaze for In Fire Reborn

[willow hazel]

it also recomends battle meditation, which is a bit counter productive with Creeping Flames

[honest wadi]

Would this be the correct build?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a4c47c3-3b68-4cd0-9ed3-cca8ba032939/video-easy-simple-and-strong-t5-high

[shadow wigeon]

Illisi is your first choice if you're learning. it has drawbacks vs devil's claw, but there's lots you can do with force swords.

[vast yew]

it is and it isn't, since you only have ~50% of Peril to work with your smite spam while you try to get 6 warp charges again

[strong gulch]

Wild fire and battle meditation are very situational.

[hollow current]

I was looking for a Deimos like this for the longest time before update 13 and then when I decide to check the armoury for the first time in two weeks it pops up. lol

[bleak tulip]

pygex isn't infallible, don't take one one person's word as gospel and test things for yourself if you are faced with contradicting takes

[vast yew]

no

[willow hazel]

Idk usually my issue is reaching 85 peril

[bleak tulip]

but yeah wildfire stinky

[vast yew]

Pray to the Omnissiah sibling

[azure bridge]

aight so don't take theri builds as the mathmatically certain most optimal then is what i'm hearing

there's wiggle room

[vast yew]

they have a lot of good points; you can disagree on the conclusions

[shadow wigeon]

My Surge/CF build with a spare point

[strong gulch]

Even if something is tested and found to be "the best", you still gotta tailor it for you.

[hollow current]

I'm not letting hadron near it. I use the duelling MK IV now anyways.

[shadow wigeon]

Wildfire I like for melee TBH, vent CF into a horde, slash and the soulfire spreads while you fight.

[honest wadi]

Is this build good or not https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ad28bf6-e57e-4c60-8a77-69b46933c810/best-surge-smite-psyker-for-patch-16

[shadow wigeon]

But i wouldn't consider wildifre necessary

[azure bridge]

i'll give it a look then and see what I can do with it

[bleak tulip]

the best build doesn't make up for your own mistakes, it only gets you like the last bit there

[willow hazel]

it's alright but not great

[bleak tulip]

asianrobot generally makes meh builds

[vast yew]

that's a bit bizzare but not the worst

Warp Expenditure over Mettle is certainly an inspired choice

[willow hazel]

Wildfire instead of Psykinetic's Aura is another ❓

[vast yew]

yeah it's a bit scuffed lol

[strong gulch]

The smite modifier isn't worth it.

[bleak tulip]

don't look at the curio recommendations

[vast yew]

or the surge staff perks

[bleak tulip]

bless him his guide is generally good

but he does miss

[honest wadi]

Can link me actual good one then i never played Psyker so i dont know what good or not it will the forth char i level after vet

[harsh urchin]

dont use gamelantern or youtube for builds imo

[azure bridge]

oh, so i've heard there's a modifier in auric malestrom, nurgle i think, that makes enemies immune to CC. DOes that count towards trauma staff knock down?

[harsh urchin]

#psyker-class message

[honest wadi]

So what i use then

[harsh urchin]

you can ask me

i'm the best

[rigid rune]

ask the daemonhosts

[bleak tulip]

no soulstealer

[willow hazel]

1 free point, I normally take soulstealer

[shadow wigeon]

I have dumped it on most builds all crit builds

[bleak tulip]

but yeah something like that

I guess it's less value on surge but it hurts to see

[honest wadi]

So then i ask now

[vast yew]

I'd say Atheneum is a good baseline, but you're gonna have to play around a bit.

Good rules of thumb:
If you don't have a really good plan for one of the others, Warp Siphon is best keystone
Don't underestimate Soulblaze damage
Try to keep in mind what your Staff and Blitz are good at, and try to diversify your build to be good at multiple things instead of 1 thing
Lots of Psyker builds use Crit, so the top-right perks and bottom-right 5% node are good on almost every build

[willow hazel]

works great with creeping flames though

[shadow wigeon]

Nah man... take it off you build and see how you do. Fair chance you'll not miss it at all (on crit builds)

that said, I do use Quietitude and Expenditure, so just going silly.

[bleak tulip]

since I run DD I don't really need that talent point, also I doubt it

[honest wadi]

I usually follow a template when i play any class in any game until i have enough expirience modfie them

[bleak tulip]

expenditure is pretty bad ngl

[vast yew]

aight well the good (bad?) news is that staves are pretty freaking bad while leveling

[bleak tulip]

25% tough for 100% peril is not great

[shadow wigeon]

It's surprisingly strong depending on your playstyle.

[vast yew]

so you're gonna be using a gun and Assail until you're level like 20

[willow hazel]

Expenditure gives less toughness per cast than Soulstealer

[harsh urchin]

psyker actually has quite a few options

my recommendation is to try playing it leveling up first

and once you hit 30

let us know what weapons you like

and what you want to build around

[frigid briar]

have I been using the flame trauma wrong? should I be fully charging or baby charging it for flames?

[honest wadi]

i like lightning

[bleak tulip]

scroll up, the build there is fine

do that

[vast yew]

depends on situation

[bleak tulip]

then go from there with experience

[vast yew]

and size of chokepoint

but normally you want to stagger elites at the same time you're spreading flames

[shadow wigeon]

Only when you kill something, which isn't always - ultimately I found that Expend just made baseline alwayas there, and i didnt look back.

on Scrier's Void, it makes more sense. but I got so used to it there, I tried it on Surge and it was just as good.

[frigid briar]

what if just hordes and no elites?

[vast yew]

then do whatever it isn't going to matter much lol

full charges if you need the AoE

small charges if you don't

generally you want the AoE but once stuff gets closer you might want to do quicker charges to buy space

[azure bridge]

Delta, i've asked this before of other people, but blaze/vs rending trauma, thoughts?

[willow hazel]

Expenditure is only ~2.5% per cast. You only need to kill 1 enemy every 2 surges for Soulstealer to beat it.

[vast yew]

Blaze better but harder to build and use

[azure bridge]

I have two god rolled blaze staves, I've just been eyeing the other side of the fence if you get my meaning

[honest wadi]

Whats good easy to use melee weapon

[vast yew]

Rending worse but has utility vs. Twins and saves 2 points because it's the only Psyker build that doesn't use Mettle/Perfect Timing

[willow hazel]

illisi

[bleak tulip]

Deimos, illisi, ds4

[vast yew]

DS4 and Illisi are super easy

[willow hazel]

ds4 kinda needs to aim at heads

[vast yew]

Deimos takes a bit more practice but it's also fairly uncomplicated (just Heavy2 4head)

[azure bridge]

for the deimos how do you spam just the heavy 2?

[bleak tulip]

illisi is basically just power sword vit warp

[willow hazel]

l1 -> h2

[vast yew]

you don't you loop L1->H2(->L3->H2)

[shadow wigeon]

Expend is also toughness when you pump your sword, block with KD, fire but dont kill. On balance, i dont miss soul stealer at all. You can go either way of course.

[vast yew]

or pushattack -> H2, or very rarely H1-> H2

[azure bridge]

gotcha

[vast yew]

The thing with the Deimos is that A: the Heavy2 HURTS, and B: it has so much stagger that it throws everything that isn't a monster to the ground

[azure bridge]

looks like I have tweaking to do

might go for an assail surge staff, or attempt to find a trauma staff with rending shockwave

i dunno i feel like i'm best with trauma but it just doesnt... kill fast enough

[vast yew]

Assail/Surge is what I play when I don't feel like aiming

aiming is for blunts, Imma just press buttons

[ornate hamlet]

SG?

[azure bridge]

especially on the new boss

[strong gulch]

Scrier's Gaze

[vast yew]

Assail/Surge works for Twins, though Hard Mode you might not want Assail

[ornate hamlet]

Is there a blazing spirit IV?

[vast yew]

on swords yes

staves no

it's also massively nerfed on staves, getting only 6 max stacks while swords go to 12

[azure bridge]

whats the best way to use them against the twins?

[bleak tulip]

hard mode you don't really wanna use blitz because then you ain't hitting Rodin in the face with your melee

[honest wadi]

Since i have a issue with overstimuli my aim isnt that reliable the longer i9 play

[bleak tulip]

or clearing mines

[vast yew]

that depends on how many Crushers are in the vicinity at the moment

sometimes you just kinda need to Smite

DS4 does absolutely shrek Rodin's shield though

[bleak tulip]

low key not your job tbh

melee psyker is pretty much the best build for hard mode

[vast yew]

high key is your job, since Psyker has the best CC for Elite waves and the Elite waves are what kill you on Hard Mode

[bleak tulip]

just sg and poke his face

[vast yew]

if you've got a second shield ogryn or something then yeah they can do it instead

but if you're running Voidstrike/Smite/Dome like several people here who cleared Hard Mode

then Crushers are your #1 priority

[bleak tulip]

oggy exists

[long stone]

Gun psyker with ilisi is the best for hard mode, dps the brother and it’s ggez

[bleak tulip]

plasma and revolver do crushers better than almost anything psyker had

[vast yew]

the first Shield Ogryn tanks the twins, you keep the Crushers off the team, and the other 2 DPS

all depends on what you're running and what the team has though

[long stone]

Or just bring a Mk 4 dueling and call it a day on crushers

[bleak tulip]

or just one shield og and three DPS, you don't gotta tank the twins

just keep shit off the dps

rinda is a joke to kite and Rodin you can just dodge

[vast yew]

yeah Rinda is ez pz

[calm lotus]

so how much of a dump stat is stability

[long stone]

If you have deflector with the peril block you can kite her indefinitely

[bleak tulip]

mobility is dump

[long stone]

It’s a dump if you have good recoil control which isn’t hard

[vast yew]

it's not, but that's still a 379 so should be alright (but it'll bounce more than you want)

[bleak tulip]

stability isn't necessary but makes your life so much easier

[calm lotus]

yeah i know that much

[vast yew]

it also controls spread which your recoil control does 0 to help

[honest wadi]

Anyone wane help my fledgeling Psyker help to get some levels

[bleak tulip]

stab matters a lot more than you think for IAG

[long stone]

Yeah but at that point just tap heads at range ez

[vast yew]

especially since some of the recoil is horizontal

[calm lotus]

just blew a little over 300k dockets and got 4 guns over 360

[vast yew]

Columnus | Range
Pick one

[long stone]

Yes

[willow hazel]

The difference between 65 and 80 stability is pretty minor

[vast yew]

past like 10m you're better pulling out Assail

[long stone]

Ew wtf

[vast yew]

unless you've already got Gaze running

in which case well y'know use that

[long stone]

Don’t talk about assail with me

[calm lotus]

oh i didnt notice this one

time to pray

dont pogryn yet its grey

[rotund fable]

Well then...

[vast yew]

I finally got a good Columnus but the blessings were scuffed so it ended up with DumDum + Raking 4

[calm lotus]

I LOVE NOT HAVING ENOUGH PLASTEEL TO GET TO YELLOW

[long stone]

Those are like it’s best blessings

It shreds everything

[vast yew]

Raking isn't as good on Psyker because you're not often behind stuff like on a Zealot or Vet

it's not bad

it's still good

[strong gulch]

Time to do scrier's gaze memes.

[vast yew]

but I think DumDum + Fire Frenzy beats it out on Psyker

[radiant sleet]

Don't you be disrespecting my shards of hatred sibling

[vast yew]

Assail be like "what if gun, but auto-aim and infinite ammo"

[ornate hamlet]

Does surge apply to voidstrike secondary?

[vast yew]

only problem is you need the first upgrade and you forfeit Psykinetic's Aura

[vast yew]

it sure does

[radiant sleet]

Purple crit assails make the monkey brain happy

[vast yew]

and it's nuts

because both shots are crits

Combine with True Aim and watch the carnage

including, but not limited to: one-shotting Crushers

[radiant sleet]

Surge Voidstrike true aim ALSO makes the monkey brain very happy

[long stone]

Gross

[rotund fable]

Yep, it's one of the reason people divert to true-aim while using voidstrike.

[honest wadi]

I went for the German Accent voice

[vast yew]

Male Loner is great

[radiant sleet]

Best voice good choice

[vast yew]

I wish Female Loner had the same voiceline where Male Loner argues with the subtitles

[honest wadi]

im a speaker of swissgerman so easy to hear out german accents

[radiant sleet]

NO NO NOT FOUR SHORTENED LIFESPANS

[rotund fable]

good rolls or bad? (i dont normally use diemos)

[vast yew]

First Target is a bit low but Uncanny 4 is dope

[long stone]

Yeah save uncanny 4 that is POG

[vast yew]

he's already got uncanny 4, no little magnifying glass

keep that sword around in case they let you "upgrade" lower rolls to higher rolls eventually (or add red items like Vermintide)

[long stone]

Oh duh lol

[rotund fable]

I already had uncanny 4 it from a blue sword with no stats above 40 that i got as a mission reward a while back

[vast yew]

if you don't have anything better then that should work

I wouldn't even change anything on it, though you might want 10% specialists instead of Flak if you want to one-tap mutants with 0 buffs

what number does it show for Maniac Headshot damage on Heavy 2?

[rotund fable]

let me check, one moment

[rotund fable]

With a weakspot hit, against a damnation level mutant and no changes, the sword does 1857 damage.

[vast yew]

Ah, sorry not quite what I meant

Press V to inspect, E to see damage breakdowns, then click on the 2nd icon under "Heavy Attacks" at the top

[rotund fable]

ah

[honest wadi]

Randoms drive mev up a wall

[vast yew]

also that sounds like Heavy1 damage to me

[ornate hamlet]

Why is the quality of pugs worse in the daytime?

[vast yew]

you're playing with kids on Xmas break

[wheat tulip]

why is the quality of people who dont work bad

[vast yew]

and drunk college kids home for the holiday

the only other people online are those not working or 12 timezones away

[honest wadi]

I still have lot to learn about this game but some people....

[ornate hamlet]

That's an interesting question. Your question assumes that graveyard/swing shifts are nonexistent.

[long stone]

Bro what is it with people now hitting daemon hosts and leaving lol this shit has been happening on my Aurics all day

[vast yew]

I had a Zealot who wanted to show off their Thunder Hammer by one-shotting Daemonhosts in an Auric a few weeks back.
With an Ironhelm.
He almost died 3 times; the 4th one he managed to kill without taking damage

[wheat tulip]

Ive worked graveyard, theres no way I would be able to play games right I was in a constant fog form not sleeping properly

got out as fast as I could

[vast yew]

2nd shift best shift don't @ me

[wheat tulip]

2nd shift is the best but working when its dark then trying to sleep when everyone else is awake is hell

[rotund fable]

overhead swing does 1857, the thrust does 3998 against mutants.

with no changes to the weapon

[vast yew]

yeah the thrust is the Heavy2 and that's what I thought

so you need either 1 warp charge, a bit of peril + Warp Rider, or to swap the Flak perk for Specialists to one-tap Muties

[honest wadi]

Knife Zealot often makes overconfident because of how fast it is

[vast yew]

personally I'd just bank on always having 1 warp charge

leave the sword as-is

[prime wyvern]

just got warp battery challenge 5s after dying as charges expired

[ornate hamlet]

That'snot a universal problem.

[vast yew]

enjoy the red drip sibling

[rotund fable]

charged light 1 also 1-shots the muties as well.

[vast yew]

yeah the special slaps but you don't always have the luxury of using it, hence the attempt to get to the heavy2 breakpoint

[untold widget]

hallo

[rotund fable]

ah

[vast yew]

but missing it by a little bit isn't the worst thing ever because you have Warp Charges and Warp Rider buffing you

[ornate hamlet]

It's like, I'm kinda forced to carry with smite otherwise pugs can't handle the hordes on dam 5 hi int gaunt

[wheat tulip]

It is though, atleast at the shipyard I was working at. You would have had to have lived outside of the city to get proper sleep because it was way to loud at all times of the day.

[vast yew]

Blaze Trauma also great at carrying

[ornate hamlet]

In that context, yes. But that's very specific.

[vast yew]

can also learn to sleep with earplugs but that's rough too

and somewhat dangerous

[ornate hamlet]

BT does work. the mass CC from smite can't be matched really.

[vast yew]

indeed, though if I'm not trusting my team to deal with Elites I'm not trusting them to damage them either

[wheat tulip]

Well I dont have experience on graveyard other than that and that was the norm for a good thousand people

[vast yew]

Many times I've whipped out Smite to stun a Rager wave just to turn around and watch the team assume I've got it handled and dip out

thanks guys, cheers

[wheat tulip]

mark them while charging and they come to help

marking things is basically one of those bug lights for the rejects, they all swarm whatever it is

[vast yew]

sometimes

[long stone]

These malice players coming to auric damns are something else

[vast yew]

I love level 30's with blue weapons in Auric

now credit where it's due some of them are old vets leveling a new character and do fine.

They don't carry but they do their job and work with the team

but most of the time it's a signal that bad times are ahead

bonus points for loading in and they have 2 Wound Curios

[long stone]

Lol

Ogryn with 5 wounds scare me

[vast yew]

seeings 4 Wounds in an Auric has never failed to signal bad times ahead

[long stone]

Yeah

[vast yew]

except on the weird occasion it's some Zealot who took the Talent

[rustic wharf]

I have a question if I use scrier gaze will I explode if I reach 100 peril if I activate it multiple times?

[vast yew]

When you hit 100 it turns off

[long stone]

I always tell people play and practice with 2 wounds you’ll play so much better

[rustic wharf]

I notice in some videos that isn't the case

[vast yew]

and it doesn't go on cooldown until you it turns off

so impossible to activate multiple times in a row

[wheat tulip]

if Im already there and I have extra Ill take the 2 extra wounds on zealot. Until the stims came out and it would nerf the stim by 25% of your health

you have a dr based on wounds its a good thing

[vast yew]

Generally speaking activating something that gets you TO 100% is fine. Activating something while AT 100% is explodes

[vast yew]

Yeah see this is fine, though a bit weird

the Vet with 4 wounds? Not fine

[rustic wharf]

Ok yeah I only have left the psyker to reach lvl 30 but I'm really struggling how to build the psyker

[long stone]

The highest cutoff is 96.6% peril that you can safely use a brain burst for example @rustic wharf

[rustic wharf]

What should I use it for

[vast yew]

Before level 30: You are a Revolver Vet with Assail

[long stone]

Gun psyker

Ew no assail

Bad

[vast yew]

shush you

[long stone]

Bad habits

[vast yew]

Assail is OP lower difficulties

[long stone]

Gross

[vast yew]

then it transitions smoothly into Surge build, which is the easiest staff to build

from there you learn the rest of the class

[wheat tulip]

I tried it out in the meatgrinder, going over 100% peril is actually the psykers frag nade, you can wipe out whole waves of chaff with it. Its acutally a big brained move to take 3 wound curios and keep going over peril in chaff hordes

[vast yew]

stop gaslighting the new siblings

[rustic wharf]

Maybe I mean I struggle against hordes cause in comparison
Zealot kills bosses crushers and maulers
Vet crusts from afar and replenish ammo
Ogryn tanks bosses and elites

[long stone]

Stop gas lighting siblings into stinky assail

[rustic wharf]

And psyker I am struggling how to build it

[vast yew]

against hordes just pull out your melee weapon of choice and swing away

[long stone]

Psyker is definitely the highest skill ceiling class

[wheat tulip]

assail is good to pull out against chaff and I hate smite, BB is to slow without EP so assail it is

[vast yew]

if you've got your push/push-attacks/dodge rhythms down hordes shouldn't bother you too much

[rustic wharf]

Agree thats why I am here

[vast yew]

Assail chews hordes at lower difficulties and can thin them higher up

make sure to pick up the extra piercing talent (30% regen optional)

you have to actually look at enemies to hit them with Assail though so don't just spam them into the Aether

they only home onto targets you look at

[worn cypress]

its easier to kite bosses with a psyker than any other class if you spec into kinetic deflection imo, if you’re comfy with the moveset of your melee wep of choice

[vast yew]

also the Deimos and DS4 having nutty dodge distances

[worn cypress]

yeah

[vast yew]

you can lock a Daemonhost into only teleporting if you time it right lol

[worn cypress]

DS4 my beloved

[rustic wharf]

Changing back to assail then

[rotund fable]

slapped on specialist damage over the flak armor, thrust now 1-taps mutant with weakspot hit.

[worn cypress]

so happy for the slaughterer nerf letting me justify playing DS again

[proven stirrup]

My god I'm such a horde-clear gimp. I have nothing else I can do effectively on psyker yet lmao

[vast yew]

the best news is if you end up wanting something else later you can always switch it off too

[willow hazel]

well the slaughterer nerf came at the same time as a big mk4 buff

[rustic wharf]

Same

[vast yew]

and Deflector 2 can be whatever you want, whether that's Deflector 4, Slaughterer... whatever

very flexible Deimos for builds

also fun fact: 80 Mobility Deimos has longer dodge range than 80 Mobility DS4

for reasons

[rotund fable]

I think ima swap it for the deflector 4 i got... side note, heavy 2 also seems to knock the crushers down, is that normal?

[vast yew]

yes

[rotund fable]

(again, i dont normally use the force swords)

[vast yew]

Heavy 2 is absurd

If you stab a crusher that's charging an overhead in the face, it'll stop their attack and knock them all the way to the ground

Anything that's not a boss either dies or get flattened by Heavy 2

Oh and all Force Swords share some details: first, they have a better push than normal, with extra range and larger angle

second: the Push-attack deals very little damage but has a lot of stagger. You can knock over Ragers mid-combo with it (though slightly risky). It also builds a small amount of Peril

thirdly the Deflector blessing, but you know about that one

[worn cypress]

pre DS4 buff I was playing DS5 and would happily go back

[vast yew]

DS5 is still a perfectly usable weapon it just doesn't 3-shot crushers

[worn cypress]

ye

[rotund fable]

Question... does warp resistance stat apply to the perril generated by kinetic deflection? because it feels like i was able to tank a full assault from a DH and only go to 30% peril while holding block with this, while my other sword with a peril resist of 60 went all the way to 70%peril halfway through a hosts attack chain.

[vast yew]

It doesn't, but if you have a +3 Stamina Curio then that will

the KD peril generated is whatever % of Stamina the attack would've cost to block

(disclaimer: it might but it shouldn't)

DH might've missed an attack (and you should be backdodging anyways, because if you dodge far enough back the DH has to teleport to catch up)

[rotund fable]

All my psyker loadouts have the same curio linup (a 3-wound, a +20% max HP, and a 15% toughness curio [because i havent yet gotten better than 15% from the shops/melk])

[calm lotus]

fucking

[feral verge]

best psyker curio loadout is 3x toughness, or 2x toughness 1x hp

[vast yew]

1 hp and 1 toughness curio is definitely a good idea. 3rd curio is up to you; personally I find either Stamina or HP as the best options. Used to fiddle with a Wound Curio but the med stimms has made me reevaluate that

[wraith talon]

ngl it’s fun going high stamina

zooming past ppl and just not running out of st is kinda funny

[vast yew]

uhhhh Weak Spot -> Maniacs, Terrifying to DumDum and it should work alright?

[long stone]

I personally run +3 stamina 2 20%hp

[hot zephyr]

whatchu talking about? Put dumdum over barrage and replace weakspot dmg with unyielding and you have a boss killer columnus

[calm lotus]

i dislike the idea of raking

[quasi junco]

its for melting beats of nurgles

[vast yew]

it also helps when you go to push and get hit, which without any +stamina and at high perils means you get stamina broken instead

[feral verge]

dont see much of a point in stam on psyker, with kinetic deflection existing

[wraith talon]

wait you use more stamina at high peril?

[feral verge]

(this is coming from someone with 1600 hours in game, psyker main)

[vast yew]

no at high peril KD doesn't activate

[wraith talon]

what’s that

[calm lotus]

i'll roll these first

[feral verge]

kinetic deflection lets you block using peril

[wraith talon]

ohhhh that

[vast yew]

Kinetic Deflection = blocking generates Peril instead of costing stamina

[feral verge]

instead of stamina

[wraith talon]

I didn’t know people used that ngl

[long stone]

I have 20,000 hours uh source i me bro

[feral verge]

most "pros" use it

it's very powerful, easy to access in the tree

[wraith talon]

oh that might be why

[vast yew]

his steam profile is on his Discord profile and is public

silly goose

[wraith talon]

I built my tree based on a pre nerf guide and eyeballing

[long stone]

I know I’m making a joke

[wraith talon]

wait steam shows your hours?

that’d be so embarrassing

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/not-funny-gif-19313619

[hot zephyr]

Given the game has only been out 13 months, and there's only 8760 hours in a year....

[long stone]

[vast yew]

actually @feral verge how much are those last 3 achievements bugging you:

[feral verge]

i dont give a rat's dick about them

[vast yew]

[feral verge]

one of them is for having 4 characters to level 30

my ogryn is stuck at level 15

just not too interested in playing ogryn

[long stone]

Rashuns

[vast yew]

sad bigman noises

anyways back to stamina curios

[long stone]

Handsome boy

[wraith talon]

bruh what

[wraith talon]

This is what peak male performance looks like

[feral verge]

i have spent most of my time on psyker and zealot

with some time spent on vet

[vast yew]

some builds don't have the point to spare, some builds like having the extra insurance because they edge their peril alot and sometimes KD isn't active, some people just like having extra stamina to sprint/push/push-attack more
Dropping from 250 to 220 hp isn't the worst sacrifice to make if it helps you not lose the hp in the first place

experiment a bit without it, see if it works for you

if it doesn't, not too much of a big deal to slap on a stamina curio

[feral verge]

my zealot has more levels, but psyker has more playtime

[vast yew]

just try to limit yourself to only one non-hp/toughness curio

two gets a bit dicey

[rotund fable]

So... I'm still in meatgrinder with this diemos... light 1 into heavy 2 + kinetic flayer proc takes a damnation level crusher to just 368 HP while also knocking it down... Holy crap

[feral verge]

(because i have played more reg damnation runs as psyker, for plasteel farming back in the day)

[vast yew]

Deimos with Uncanny do be hitting hard, though you probably want to drop Flayer

it's... a bit of a meme

[feral verge]

yes kinetic flayer is a joke

[rotund fable]

The class i was testing the blade on is my scuffed purg-brainburst build.

[vast yew]

Deimos/Purg/BB is a fine build but you don't want Flayer

[long stone]

MK IV devil sword is incredibly based on psyker

[feral verge]

yee

[vast yew]

devil sword

is that the Duelling Sword or Devil Claw

[feral verge]

deimos + purg build is how i get 1 million damage

on mercantile map

[long stone]

Devil claw

[harsh urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/white-claw-drinking-hard-seltz-law-gif-14667935

[vast yew]

Devil Claw is a good weapon

[long stone]

So true!

[vast yew]

it's not got quite the number of benefits that the Psyker-only melees have, but it's perfectly usable

[long stone]

It fucks ragers

[vast yew]

parrying Ragers is always fun

[willow hazel]

Every melee weapon works on psyker. Some are just better

[harsh urchin]

it actually has one huge benefit on psyker

which is that it abuses KD

extremely well

[vast yew]

MK 7 Taxe

[harsh urchin]

for example, if a crusher overheads you

[willow hazel]

Yeah maybe not the tac axes

[harsh urchin]

it eats either 2 stam or 10 stam depending on your timing

[willow hazel]

they used to be good until the BM rework

[harsh urchin]

and if you dont have that much stam you die

[long stone]

Tac axe 2 is based

[harsh urchin]

but KD bypasses that completely

[vast yew]

Tac Axe 2 is usable but Tac Axes are eclipsed by Dueling Swords unfortunately

[harsh urchin]

whereas on zealot or vet you can't really parry them that well

[long stone]

It’s simple

[vast yew]

To be fair on Psyker you can DS4 special or Deimos Heavy2 Crushers to knock them out of overheads

[long stone]

Just alternate attack shovel to the face hehe

[vast yew]

or bonk them with your stick if you're REALLY brave

(yes, staff bonk can interrupt Crusher overheads if you charge it a bit)

[long stone]

Idk I find staffs incredibly boring

[vast yew]

I mean in as much sense as any ranged weapon that is your main source of damage is boring

more interesting playstyles flip between weapons according to situation

[long stone]

Not my cup of tea play style

I like boolet psyker

[feral verge]

i prefer staves

i think my favorite is trauma

@spice veldt

hope you know that

ik you'd approve

[vast yew]

Blaze Trauma do be a great way to carry even the worst PUGs to a mission completion

[feral verge]

i prefer warp flurry + rending shockwave

[vast yew]

An easier build to make and play, to be sure

[rotund fable]

My Veteran once killed a plague ogryn by spamming parry... it was hilarious.

[vast yew]

Blaze Trauma is more stressful due to no Warp Flurry

[feral verge]

i have used it and dont find it to be any more or less stressful

[long stone]

What is the devils claws chance to one shot ragers with its parry determined by?

[harsh urchin]

whether you aim

and hit the head

😛

[vast yew]

also crit chance, probably

[long stone]

😇

[plucky flax]

What am I doing why am I running knife purga dome.

[strong gulch]

You must be going through something. 🫂

[strong gulch]

You trying it on hard mode??

[plucky flax]

No just maelstrom.

[hot zephyr]

Any voidstrike enjoyers in here? About to start testing voidstrike out for the first time (back when I last played in beta/launch period it was pretty bad)
Thinking I'm going to run Combat Knife + Voidstrike with my usual Health/Wound/Stam, with this build (from atheneum). Any tips for a void strike noob?

[wheat tulip]

Id check with the guy named voidstrike enjoyer

But i really dont like how that build is missing 45 toughness by 1 node each

[hot zephyr]

Oh I'm sure i'll tweak it a bunch and pickup some more toughness

[feral verge]

i reccomend having atleast 150 toughness

[wheat tulip]

I mean that one guy in vet says health curios are the way to go on psyker and it kind of makes sense since you have alot so it will do more

[feral verge]

if you are capable of staying alive, i'd dump the wound curio

i would also dump the stam curio

especially since you have kinetic deflection

you could also get rid of smite, for assail. dont see the point in having smite when strike will stagger/stunlock everything

[wheat tulip]

azrealdnt did a few thousand games and he listed the best curios and ranged weapon in tiers for each class

[hot zephyr]

The reason for smite is you pickup the cooldown on elite kill talent which means you can almost always have shield up

[feral verge]

voidstrike elites

it iwll kill them far faster than smite

[modern bronze]

greetings mankar

[feral verge]

mittens, hello and welcome

[hot zephyr]

I'm saying you take it to cross the talent tree, not to use smite

it's still a useful CC to have, but yeah the point is you wanna be hurling nukes

[wheat tulip]

you can grab BB and do the same thingby just using the toughness node on the other side

[hot zephyr]

I find myself wondering if the left side aura of 5% elite damage is worth it

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I wondered this too honestly

[feral verge]

on my voidstrike build i am almost entirely on the right side

but i go for warp siphon

i use warp nexus + surge

[wheat tulip]

its not a very good build but the good players use bad builds because they dont need to worry. The guy who made this probably doesnt ahve to worry about toughnes at all

because he just doesnt get hit

or blocks or parries

[hot zephyr]

Well, with the shield up even if you get hit, your toughness regens so fast it's almost irrelevant

[wheat tulip]

but with that extra 45 you get 5 toughness per second becasue youre at 105 without them arent you

which makes you actually immortal

[feral verge]

i find little use for shield, personally

[wheat tulip]

15 toughness per second plus an extra 7 per crit

[feral verge]

i am almost always pushing/advancing

the shield will be useufl for 1-2 seconds, but after that, useless

[wheat tulip]

I just throw it down when you hear the horde sound and see the first grouping, its a nice area to fall back on

[feral verge]

i find it to be the least impactful support ult in the game

not saying it's bad

[viscid matrix]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1179445998288900189/image.png?ex=658c44af&is=6579cfaf&hm=59bd238de26ab67758cffd85685e90e1a85b41403c597fb51082385a11cdfe34&

[feral verge]

all my builds have 175-200 toughness, 185 hp

[wheat tulip]

oh right curios, so you might have more or less, I dont have a toughness on mine yet I wont buy one under 16

[viscid matrix]

It can block nurgle vomit, and as long as your not covered in vomit, you can’t be swallowed

[feral verge]

some of us like being vored

[viscid matrix]

Fair

[wheat tulip]

I love when the corruption permeates my skin and I feel the grandfathers love

I mean

uh

[viscid matrix]

This is 25% hp 5% toughness curios

Haven’t gotten a 21% yet

[feral verge]

it's been a long time since i've tried hp stacking

might try it again just to see

[viscid matrix]

I can survive a crusher slam

It’s worth it

[untold widget]

welp, whilst leveling my lvl 10 zealot in a malice game, we got a chaos spawn in the middle of a horde mixed with shotgunners

[hot zephyr]

I could do something totally and completely insane like this

[untold widget]

everyone died but me and I had to parry tank a chaos spawn with a dclaw sword to clutch

[hot zephyr]

Stack up battle med + DD and +75 toughness

[wheat tulip]

for the amount of times I use the G skill in a match I might as well run that

[viscid matrix]

Eugh

Not during the crit toughness and the warp toughness nodes, relying on only peril for toughness would feel terrible

[wheat tulip]

toughness on warp kill too

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I have soulstealer

[plucky flax]

Nooo I failed the clutch.

2 monsters spawn on my ass.

[wheat tulip]

crit ones wont matter if you can just fire into a crowd and get 40+% toughness back

[viscid matrix]

Crit toughness is amazing and has move speed

[hot zephyr]

I'm going to run a knife, so I has a mobility stick

[wheat tulip]

Yea I run that but I also run down the left side of the tree so

and I go duelist and do melee 80% of the round

[untold widget]

whats the point of this build?

[feral verge]

if you want mobility, but want to do damage, i'd go for ds4 every single time

over knife

[wheat tulip]

you ahve to be sliding 100% of the time with ds thoguh bcause of the insane stamina usage for some reason

[hot zephyr]

I'm just screwing around with voidstrike ideas. I've never used void strike and I got a couple decent ones from brunt's to bless up

[untold widget]

why bb?

[feral verge]

huh

[hot zephyr]

Need to take BB or Smite to get access to CD on elite kill

[wheat tulip]

you actually gain stamina while sliding but you run out in like 10 seconds without it

[hot zephyr]

that way I enable perma-bubble

[untold widget]

smite gives massive CC and clustering of enemies

[wheat tulip]

but people hate smite

[vast yew]

people hate spamming smite

taking smite to buy space is a fine idea

[untold widget]

you don't spam it

[feral verge]

how much stam do you need

[viscid matrix]

Smite is great to give the team some breathing room

[jolly bear]

In one sentence convince me to make a psyker character for the first time

[feral verge]

i play fast-ish and aggressive. with dueling sword especially. i've never felt 'ugh this isnt mobile enough'

[vast yew]

You can fire Hadokens

[clear heath]

using smite to reposition or letting teammates reposition is good
spamming smite while waiting for teammates to kill is cringe

[wheat tulip]

no curios no stats jsut spam slide with the right timing and you gain like 3% per slide

[untold widget]

Smite is for butthole puckering moments to let the team conglomerate

[hot zephyr]

So you'd swap over to the smite version is just this instead?

[feral verge]

no, i know

[hot zephyr]

Cus you can take BB or Smite with this and it works

[vast yew]

wait what build is this? Voidstrike?

[untold widget]

and why 5% elite damage instead of cooldown reduction?

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, DD Voidstrike

[vast yew]

are you dead set on going DD?

okay well have fun lol

[hot zephyr]

i realize warp siphon is probably 1000 times better

[jolly bear]

Tempting, anyone else?

[vast yew]

you probably want the crit talents at top right

[feral verge]

not probably. it jsut is better

DD is better for guns

for hitscan

i tried DD with void

could barely keep stacks up

[wheat tulip]

warpsiphon is better DD is funner and tahts all that matters

[untold widget]

I enjoy void DD

its a fun little minigame to play while farming plasteel on regular damnation

but I wouldn't use it for auric

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I was joking eariler I should do Void DD so I can unite the blue man with his blue ball

[untold widget]

I'll share my void DD build

[cosmic sigil]

smite gaming lol

[viscid matrix]

I would dump too middle, grab crit and warp toughness
Dump the 3 bottom left nodes, you don’t need them, get 3 upgrades to DD, maybe even the 30 stacks
Would swap to cool-down aura, cause the elite damage aura is only elites,not monstrosities or specialists,

[hot zephyr]

Ok, so you're almost using a Gunker Scrier's + Siphon build. That's cool too

[vast yew]

Gaze + Warp Siphon
Interesting choice, given that Warp Siphon's Cooldown reduction doesn't apply to Gaze

[feral verge]

i never use gaze

i dont hit f at all

because i dont want to lose siphon stacks

[vast yew]

then why not take a Shield

[feral verge]

i just use it to for pathing

same reason

i dont ult

[viscid matrix]

Ew, weakening yourself cause you wanna keep stacks

[cosmic sigil]

thought on that for smite?

[untold widget]

Here's my void DD build, modified for bubble instead of creeping vent

[feral verge]

i see it as maintaining strength

[vast yew]

Warp Expenditure over Battle Meditation?

[untold widget]

warp rider

[feral verge]

the power of the ult just isnt enough

to make it worth it to spend stacks

[untold widget]

battle meditation is counter productive

[vast yew]

10% Peril loses 2% Damage

[viscid matrix]

Drop the peril nodes, not worth it, gives you 2 points for DD

[harsh urchin]

I would recommend taking assail with DD

it's pretty hard to maintain DD stacks without

[hot zephyr]

So you're doing something closer to this then? #psyker-class message

[untold widget]

don't need it

its really not

void penetrates

so you can always hit the blue guy

I'm also not running 30 stacks, i'm running duration

[harsh urchin]

well you don't always want to hit the marked guy with void

[untold widget]

don't tell me how to play my mini game lol

[harsh urchin]

most of the time you use void to kill elites/specials

[viscid matrix]

Getting double stacks from weaakspot kills plus move speed is better than a tiny amount from peril gain and quell

[untold widget]

I use void to kill most everything

[harsh urchin]

if you're chasing minigame you just lose lol

ok you do you lol

[untold widget]

I don't lose though

this game

is not

hard

i dont know if you know that

[vast yew]

should I get the rulers out

is it e-peen measuring time again

[harsh urchin]

yeah let's measure epeen

[untold widget]

but I get the double stacks from weakspot kills

[harsh urchin]

do you wanna go first or should i go first

[untold widget]

because of void

[harsh urchin]

bring out the x-tra long ones

[untold widget]

y'all aim for the head with void, right?

right?

[vast yew]

aight I think I have some 6-inch ones lying around

[harsh urchin]

that's too much

2-inch should be fine

[vast yew]

oh okay cool

can use my measuring tools from Infinity

[viscid matrix]

Learn to edge your peril, and the quell nodes on tree are not required
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1181624885819219968/Edging_Practice.mp4?ex=658af76e&is=6578826e&hm=b06689d49a4a341b27fc58c95afb759ac5576f37638f8bf0605afee7732d9866&

[plucky flax]

Stop stroking.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, this is kinda my thought. VOidstrike is basically just hurling giant nuclear bombs. So "where is blue man? over there.... RMB -> Kaboom"

[untold widget]

yeah

as long as you're precise in your placement for weakspot hits, to proc true aim, for surge blessing

its gucci

again, I don't use this build for auric

[thin quartz]

can we talk about knife for psycher?

[untold widget]

its to keep me from falling asleep while farming plasteel

[hot zephyr]

I dunno if Cruel Fortune is necessary, I think Lingering Influence is def worth it tho.

[vast yew]

zoom zoom, good boss damage

[untold widget]

yes

[harsh urchin]

too much clicking

[viscid matrix]

It’s a worse version of DS4

[harsh urchin]

my old man hands reject

[lethal lagoon]

Why not just play auric then?

[plucky flax]

Over 200k btw.

[harsh urchin]

cuz "game is too easy"

[untold widget]

because you don't get as much plasteel from auric

[harsh urchin]

kekeke

[lethal lagoon]

Melkinaire

[thin quartz]

tfw i burned a million on bad skins

[untold widget]

because you're too busy killing 20k enemies

[plucky flax]

Not much plasteels from auric?

[vast yew]

I get more plasteel from Aurics becuase I have teammates that actually pick them up

[plucky flax]

Just pick plasteels. Xd

[untold widget]

and auric doesn't have more plasteel in the missions, it's still the same 800ish

[harsh urchin]

non auric is really boring though lol

[untold widget]

I get 800ish plasteel from every damnation mission

[vast yew]

in Damnation I'm the only one searching the boxes that 100% spawn

maddening

[untold widget]

vs 5-600 in aurics

[hot zephyr]

Yeah when I end up just damnation n chillin the levels just feel empty but on damnation you definitely gotta murder for every inch of ground

[plucky flax]

You need to pick more.

[untold widget]

I do aurics when I need dockets to dump a million on a good roll of a weapon

[harsh urchin]

i can see why you think this though

[viscid matrix]

Just yolo into quickplay damnation, and carry your team while collecting all of the platsteel

[harsh urchin]

if you're only playing normal 5s

i think the game is plenty hard

[untold widget]

I don't only play normal 5s

I play aurics when I'm not farming plasteel

[vast yew]

Get a premade and speedrun Damnation twins for 250 in 15 minutes

then fail on purpose to reset

[lethal lagoon]

Is 250 in 15 minutes a lot?

[vast yew]

nah

but you might be able to get it down to like 10

in which case it's great but boring AF

[untold widget]

you get 275 from damnation twins, and half that when you fail

[harsh urchin]

you can enjoy the game how you like

[viscid matrix]

Failing cuts platsteel by like 80%

[untold widget]

so you get around 137 for failing