psyker-class

[clear heath]

surge staff is nice and all, but voidstrike killing crushers in 1 hit kinda makes it obsolete

overtuned af

[brave fiber]

would yall say this is worth buying?

[untold veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-gif-1284676348901827341

[brave fiber]

sorry lol hold on

[wary inlet]

I'd say it is

[untold veldt]

Yeah that's worth it

[wary inlet]

if anything for the uncanny strikes 4 blessing

[clear heath]

wait

does uncanny strike 4 even do anything with the 5th stack?

i thought rending was capped at +80%

[wary inlet]

its easier to reach the cap

[untold veldt]

It's possible to learn to go even further beyond but...

[crude cape]

heard about vraks headhunter VII being good with skriers. I had one lying around wanted to try it, If you land headshots its damage is good but....

its recoil is dogshit. How are you supposed to headhunt with how much it bounces and that fat iron site? lol whats the deal with that

[clear heath]

is the 5th stack even doing anything?

[untold veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/not-from-a-jedi-palpatine-jedi-not-from-a-learn-this-power-gif-17298635

[crude cape]

are there any better feeling gun psyker guns?

[fierce crest]

revolver

[small spindle]

how do you acquire psonic charges?

[olive ember]

uhh vraks 3 apparently is psyker's premiere boss damage option

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1x29RbMRM8ctmA/d1337s4PEe01?invite=cr-MSw5b0QsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

haven't gotten one myself tho

[crude cape]

I guess the VII would perform similarly if you hit all the shots

just not as high rof

[crude cape]

ya, revolver is tight, but i do want something that feels better vs bosses since psyker dmg feels so meh against them now

[fierce crest]

12 lasgun is good, hh7 is good

[crude cape]

my issue with vraks hh7/vii is its recoil is so dogshit for being as single shot headshot gun

like

what the fuck

if the recoil was halved it would be such a nice gun

[fierce crest]

i mean

whats ur handling stat

[unique mist]

i would love to use guns...if only I could aim

[fierce crest]

err

stability

whatever it is

[crude cape]

stability? 75%

[fierce crest]

i like laspistol with its special, autopistol, 4/12 lasguns, 7 headhunter, revolver

you dont need to always land headshots with headhunter funnily enough

just aim head level and be happy with whatever you hit

[unique mist]

what's the best devil's claw sword

[fierce crest]

recon las and infantry autos are funny with Perfect Aim but i dont think its worth

[small spindle]

is a warp attack kill your blitz (like smite)

[fierce crest]

any warp attack

[ashen schooner]

staff stuff, blitz, powered force swords

[fierce crest]

if it generates peril, its a warp attack

[tough lake]

Anyone have any good builds for psyker?

[fierce crest]

you want OP or just good

[unique mist]

step 1: unlock and equip Assail

you're done

[unique mist]

and soulblaze

[fierce crest]

true you can apply soulblaze without peril

[unique mist]

any peril-generating attack and soulblaze counts as warp damage/attack

[small spindle]

Check the thread, look for "Assail Dodge Tank" thats what I went with

[fierce crest]

#1158835513789272126 message

thats my main build

[spice veldt]

my build for crack cocaine enjoyers (people above the age of 50) #1158835513789272126 message

[fierce crest]

heavy assail/voidstrike use is top dog right now

and smite too if you abuse the bug

[lyric burrow]

this is tempting i wont lie

[spice veldt]

200 toughness shlerp

[fierce crest]

bruh this is a premium cosmetic

fatshark more like fatleech

[unique mist]

i sure do love my collar of tunnel vision

my collar of keaton batman

having to turn my whole torso just to look left and right

[fierce crest]

vs earnable cosmetic btw

pay money for less

[unique mist]

but some people want to see their eyes

[fierce crest]

yeah me

[unique mist]

some people specifically picked the blue glowing crack cocaine eyes

and if you want that privilege

pay

no play only pay

[fierce crest]

fuck off charging real money for a piece of a free cosmetic

[unique mist]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-batman-gif-13266293

[fierce crest]

i mean

[unique mist]

psykers turning to look at the ogryn

[fierce crest]

its mmore mr freeze

[unique mist]

no what i'm talking about is that michael keaton's batman costume cowl was so stiff he couldn't turn his head

[olive ember]

just run the base psyker masks duh

[unique mist]

so to look left/right

he had to turn his entire body

[fierce crest]

the cloth mask is derpy

[unique mist]

just pay for the golden skull cosmetic

you won't need any other

[olive ember]

yeah thats what I run on my scrappy gun psyker

[fierce crest]

also looks derpy without a bulky torso piece

[unique mist]

jesus christ this build is insane

[silent coral]

is perilous combustion + wildfire actually any good? or is soulblaze still a meme?

[unique mist]

just get the purple tier witch's raiment chestpiece by accident like i did

[fierce crest]

yeah i have it

dont like it

[olive ember]

I got it

simply beta helmet

[fierce crest]

green rarity best rarity

[olive ember]

smh

[unique mist]

me, losing track of my peril in my panick to kill the plague ogryn which is almost dead and self detonating, killing it in the process
the game, rewarding me for fucking up: here is a purple tier clothing. you surely had to go out of your way to earn this penance and of course here is your reward

[olive ember]

if I wanted to look that much like a peasant I'd just wear the prisoner uniform

[unique mist]

yeah it's fine

its fun definitely

and great with warp charges

[fierce crest]

i like both the purple and gold redacted legs

[tall mango]

finally got almost all my psyker penances done

[fierce crest]

purple/blue regular is good too

i guess blue redacted also nice

[unique mist]

what's the difference between the two i can't see it from the preview

also i'm pretty sure i got that from the store lol

[unique mist]

oh i love the left one

that cloth pattern

[fierce crest]

i think they look sick with the belt chains

[fierce crest]

https://tenor.com/view/obelix-asterix-and-gif-26070032

[brittle loom]

Anyone have a good psyker class build? I don't really know what to build

[feral knoll]

I’m a simple man. I see cool armor with the cool hood. I play Psyker

[unique mist]

what level are you

[brittle loom]

Level 15 right now, but I can always level up

[fierce crest]

thats the one i use

[fierce crest]

do you have a blitz you like using

and/or an active you like

[brittle loom]

Don't have a preference, but the force lightning is pretty funny

[unique mist]

start here for 15 if you want the most effective build

[brittle loom]

Aight thanks, ill try this out

[unique mist]

Then develop to this

[feral knoll]

Assail is very easy to use tbh. Can’t go wrong there

[fierce crest]

bb and shriek for vanilla psyker style

swap these mb

[unique mist]

the build is this: your main weapon is your blitz. use your combat ability when you go over 100 peril accidentally because it will save your life. you get 2 passive damage boost sources from warp charges and warp rider which will help you kill elites and specials

[brittle loom]

Thanks, ill try both of these and play the one that I find works the best

[fierce crest]

assail is very strong right now

you can kinda just spam m1 and be ok

[brittle loom]

Very funny

[ornate hamlet]

cries in xbox

[unique mist]

this is important: you are allowed to hit 100 peril. you can only overload yourself if you activate a peril generating ability while at 100 peril, which will cause you to down yourself in an explosion that can damage enemies. your combat ability instantly quells 50 peril, so i recommend you save it for when you aren't paying attention and accidentally overload yourself

[brittle loom]

I'll show those heretics 💪

[unique mist]

it will interrupt your death animation and save yourself

[fierce crest]

only venting shriek

[unique mist]

yeah i'm talking about this build specifically anyways

[brittle loom]

Alright, I'll keep this in mind while playing, haven't died yet to peril, but I might in the future

[ornate hamlet]

FOR THE GOD EMPEROR

[unique mist]

but i have gotten very lucky and had Battle Meditation interrupt my death animation when using assail which was so clutch

[brittle loom]

FOR THE GOD EMPEROR

[fierce crest]

gomperor

[torn bison]

Are these blessings good for this staff?

[ornate hamlet]

its beautiful

[torn bison]

fr? I got hella lucky then lmao

[ornate hamlet]

should i wait till im max level to craft weapons?

[fierce crest]

yes

[tall mango]

i’d replace sustained fire with surge personally

[ionic island]

one has a pattern on the material 🤓

[torn bison]

what does surge do?

[unique mist]

very good, i'd keep both surges and replace the perks with your choice

[fierce crest]

buying a weapon you really want to use is ok, but try out whatever you get fromm mmission rewards until you hit cap

[unique mist]

fires 2 shots instead of 1 on a crit hit, both shots crit

[ornate hamlet]

ok ty, whats the cap btw

[unique mist]

but you don't have warp nexus so i personally wouldn't go for that

[unique mist]

380 base stat, 80% for stats is cap

[torn bison]

ok dope, ty for the info

[unique mist]

personally i would swap the sprint efficiency perk to something like unyielding

and keep both blessings

and upgrade the 20% carapace to 25% carapace

[torn bison]

nice yeah, that's what I was thinking. Why Unyeilding just out of curiosity?

[unique mist]

https://imgur.com/a/AR0Nxo4

[near wyvern]

Different icon on plate and different pattern on fabric

[unique mist]

beast of nurgle, bulwark (shield ogryn), plague ogryn, reaper (minigun ogryn), daemonhost, and chaos spawn all have the unyielding armor type

basically carapace + unyielding will give you bonus damage on all the really tanky enemies in the game

which you should be using your voidstrike staff on

[near wyvern]

This doesn't seem to hold anymore. It says beast of Nurgle melee weakspot is 0.9, yet it takes more damage than a reaper head.

[unique mist]

i'm just using it for the armor breakdown

dont really know about or care about weakspot bonuses or w/e

[worthy spoke]

I can't imagine not having macros. i use a macro on my mouse's left thumb to spam LMB 100 times a second

makes semi-auto into full auto

[fierce crest]

and the scab captain is all flak despite being a monstrosity

[unique mist]

this is why we deserve the aquilas

[worthy spoke]

you get to play a finished* game

[fierce crest]

theres a mod

[tall mango]

they’re still basically the same

[unique mist]

you're playing the same game i am

you just played earlier too

[worthy spoke]

I will say i've enjoyed it throughout

I've got a bit over 500 hours in darktide so far

just did the math, thats a bit over 1.6 hours a day average

wew

maybe I should take a break

(I won't)

[lyric burrow]

dont worry as far as i can tell 500 isnt crazy for the discord lol

pog

20% maniac isnt super ideal but tbh its not bad

[fierce crest]

maniac's fine

helps with ragers and muties

[near wyvern]

Yeah with +maniac and some uncanny stacks you can one shot a mutant head with DS4

[feral knoll]

So for empowered psionics. I assume if you run assail. Then it’s only for the next, single shard you throw? I take it’s not really worth it to run both?

[fierce crest]

its still good

free cast more damage

especially with the 3 stacks

lul, searching for something and i find this

[feral knoll]

Fair enough

[fierce crest]

do perks even matter for purg, could just take crit

[lyric burrow]

crit/flak is good

crit chance that is

that was at least what you wanted pre patch

i dont see purg as much now

[fierce crest]

does flak or any damage really matter

doesnt affect burn, right?

[lyric burrow]

it does

[fierce crest]

oh well

flak it is

[brittle loom]

What would be a good smite build?

[ionic island]

Going slightly insane because the only old penance i'm missing on psyker is the "push 7 people off a cliff" one. somehow it has evaded me...

[tall mango]

you run EP and infinity smite

[fierce crest]

zzzz

[tall mango]

lightning>shards

[fierce crest]

its more broken for sure

[tall mango]

not really

[fierce crest]

at least assail is working as intended

[tall mango]

lightning requires teammates to actually kill then, and i’ve had awful luck with randoms

when they pay attention and kill em, it’s great

[brittle loom]

is infinity smite a passive? Or are you just telling me to hold smite forever?

[fierce crest]

its bugged

[brittle loom]

Ah, okay

[olive ember]

basically theres a bug that makes empowered smite not generate peril

[obtuse moth]

hold smite forever because of bug

[fierce crest]

this talent makes it not generate peril

[olive ember]

and unlike assail or BB its not a one time thing but a channel so it means you can literally infinite cast smite

expect it to be fixed tho

I can't see them keeping that in the game

[potent echo]

flak does affect burn

so its matters since most elties are flak

kills those pesky shotgunners quick

[fierce crest]

yea, can always swap it to crit if i want

[olive ember]

flak really matters, soulblaze (and burn) are particularly meh against flak and carapace. But no amount of buffing carapace will make it good but a +25% on flak is 👌

its why the perk suggestion is always flak + crit chance/maniac/unyielding

[potent echo]

some people say maniac/unyielding

[fierce crest]

and im running deimos bb so im fine vs cara

[potent echo]

but i just go crit chance cause im basic like that

[olive ember]

its basically up to personal preference

crit chance is like a 10% damage boost on targets that live long enough for the extra stacks of fire from crit to matter

maniac is for ragers, and I guess mutants if you are insistent on purge staffing a mutant for wte reason

[fierce crest]

deimos is for themm

[olive ember]

similarily unyielding is for boss damage, or ogryns if for wte reason you are purge staffing ogryns

[tall mango]

it’s a bugged effect from empowered psionics. But in seriousness, smite is really good for those high density elites that you just won’t be able to kill quickly, or if there’s a reaper or gunner holding your team down

Meant to reply but eh

[olive ember]

I mean the problem is that a good team should be killing them quickly

its kinda the problem with CC in general tbh

[fierce crest]

bosses are prob deimos also, and ogryns are bb or deimos

[olive ember]

good teams don't need the CC, bad teams can't utilize it

[tall mango]

I wouldn’t say good teams don’t need it

[olive ember]

its alot better with smite than old surge cuz you can stun like entire hordes at a time but

eh

[tall mango]

sometime you physically cannot kill every single elite

Because there’s just so many

[olive ember]

I mean that depends on comp tbh

like a purge staff will literally kill every elite besides ogryns

but yeah

[tall mango]

You get my point though, smite can just help give your team time

[olive ember]

but literally the last game I played I had an autogun vet who deleted like every non crusher/bulwark elite and non mutant special before I could even do a full charge of my purge staff or BB

[tall mango]

it’s a good support tool, though i wish the description of it didn’t lie

[fierce crest]

yeah what does the charge actually do

[olive ember]

the smite left click?

[fierce crest]

just the m1 but multi target immediatly?

[olive ember]

on demand CC in case you can't charge it

its supposed to do damage but

dunno where the damage went

[fierce crest]

the charge

[tall mango]

it lets you hit more

[fierce crest]

the channel is the m1

[tall mango]

the left click is immediate and can only hit 4-5 with the upgrade

[fierce crest]

oh you can hold the m2 also

[tall mango]

right click requires channel but can stun way more

the left click is SUPPOSED to do high damage

but the damages are the exact same

[olive ember]

idk wtf the description is saying tbh but m1 is an instant channel that CC'es 1 target and slowly spreads to others, m2 is a charged channel that instant stuns like 6 ish enemies and then chains to more

basically idk why you would ever m1 unless you really had to

[tall mango]

Yeah

[fierce crest]

i mean, the m1 spreads between enemies too

[tall mango]

You’d use M1 if you absolutely NEED instant cc

it doesn’t spread to as many as right click

[olive ember]

it spreads alot slower than m2

[tall mango]

and you do the exact same damage

[olive ember]

and yea

Smite is def a warp charge based skill imo

[tall mango]

i think when they bug fix smite and EP, they should buff it slightly

[olive ember]

With the peril resist it’s actually pretty nice but without holy shit the peril gain is stupid high

[tall mango]

Make the left click actually do more damage, reduce the peril cost a little bit too

[worthy spoke]

The build I've been loving and sorta settled into is assail with illisi sword and surge staff

[tall mango]

the fuck you mean no

[compact cargo]

that makes surge o
bsolete

[tall mango]

Not at all??

[olive ember]

Lmao surge already is obsolete what

[tall mango]

Surge is already barely existing

Besides you can easily just do surge + assail

[worthy spoke]

surge got nerfed and buffed. its less good at crowd control but charges a LOT faster and does a shitload more damage

[compact cargo]

Surge is your damage lighting option and is attempting to poorly cover the cc damage niche, when it's rebalanced it'll cover that.

Why the kark do you want smite to steal that niche?

[tall mango]

And why should smite NOT do what the fucking description says?????

Like??????

I’m sorry???

[worthy spoke]

surge staff is not crowd control anymore really, maybe for 1-3 things per charge

[gilded viper]

I like how I can leave this chat for days and the arguments literally never change

[tall mango]

Plus surge sucks already compared to other staffs, why run surge when you have void or even trauma

[worthy spoke]

i dont have to aim it

[compact cargo]

We can't have shit take over each others niche, it makes stuff have identity crisis, like boltor.

Again, when it's rebalanced.

[fierce crest]

trauma

[tall mango]

there’s already niches being evaporated

[olive ember]

You’ve been here for a while, you should be used to this by now

[compact cargo]

Then why do you want more.

[worthy spoke]

second reason is i like zappy stick

[tall mango]

Because I want smite to actually exist as an ability you can take

God forbid I want the ability to do what it says

[gilded viper]

Absolutely, but it’s funny like, lol.

[compact cargo]

Smite can remain as mass cc with surge been elite targeted cc+damage.

[tall mango]

Surge and smite can exist at the same time

[worthy spoke]

i would love smite if it did any damage

[tall mango]

I literally just want smite left click to actually do damage

[compact cargo]

Not if they cover the same niche.

[tall mango]

I don’t think that’ll ruin surges barely existent niche

[olive ember]

Surge damage is mid unless you are specifically needing anti crusher and anti bulwark

[fierce crest]

smite aoe damage and cc, surge single target damage and cc

[gilded viper]

Just use the stuff you like, and never tell this chat what you use unless you want to hear several loud opinions

[compact cargo]

If it does damage why pick surge

[olive ember]

But at that point just have another class fill that roll better

[tall mango]

Because you could have assail?

[worthy spoke]

me too broski, me too

[compact cargo]

Assailt won't be there for long.

[tall mango]

Yes it will

[compact cargo]

Atleast not how it is

Assail is also not cc...

[tall mango]

And?

[compact cargo]

It's just damage

[fierce crest]

its cc

[compact cargo]

Different niche

[olive ember]

My opinion is always right tho 😄

[gilded viper]

Death is cc

[tall mango]

Assail CCs by killing them

[fierce crest]

one shard staggers

[compact cargo]

No.

[tall mango]

surge covers your weakness of Crushers lol

like?

[worthy spoke]

ya spamming assail on a crowd deletes it

[idle bay]

Speaking of CC - Ogryns still have the best CC in the game, massive area, insanely long duration, option to make massive bleed damage with it, and on rather short CD.

[gilded viper]

I do like surge for crushers.

[compact cargo]

Are you seriously comparing smite cc to assail min stagger.

[tall mango]

but then you should just use voidstrike and have two nuclear bomb options

[fierce crest]

you do not know what mini means

[compact cargo]

If this is your metric then bb is cc.

[fierce crest]

bb is slow

shards are not

[olive ember]

I mean I use BB to open up shields

[fierce crest]

yeah it is

[olive ember]

So kinda?

[compact cargo]

But it opens up bulwarks!!1!!1

[tall mango]

anyway, I just want smite left click to have an actual difference in damage to right click, is that too much to ask?

[olive ember]

One BB + one stab typically deals with a bulwark kekw

[tall mango]

It doesn’t have to do insane damage to elites and what not

[olive ember]

It should atleast kill gunners on a timely fashion eh

[tall mango]

Exactly

[compact cargo]

Damage would again cover surge niche.

[gilded viper]

Did they remove emotes? What’s the button for it now?, space isn’t working.

[fierce crest]

yeah it is cc, just not as fast as shards or smite

[compact cargo]

Bois we got it, bb is cc now

[tall mango]

Doing damage is a niche???? Let’s go bros every staff outclasses surges niche

Yes I know what you were saying, i’m simply fucking with you

[fierce crest]

keep backtracking

[compact cargo]

Doing damage+cc is a niche
Like how dealing dot damage is a niche
Armor damage
Horde damage
Shooter damage
and so on

[gilded viper]

Figured it out, it’s T

[tall mango]

I literally just want the “high damage” promised from the left click, enough to kill basic gunners and trash mobs quickly

[compact cargo]

keep claiming that anything that causes stagger is cc.

[tall mango]

surge can still kill and CC much faster than smite

that won’t take over it’s niche

[fierce crest]

is it so bad that both smites are similar

just one is faster and weaker

[tall mango]

When it’s promised to be different, yes it is

either change the description or change the damage

simple as that

[compact cargo]

Caring for lore descriptions is the first step towards keeping the broken mess of balance we got.

Could instead make left click throw balls

[fierce crest]

well sure but were theorizing about changes

[olive ember]

I mean stagger is crowd control… whether it’s good crowd control or another is a different question but

[tall mango]

I’m not theorizing anything, i’m asking for what should be there

[compact cargo]

If the "cc abilities" is irrelevant, your weapon does not cover a cc niche.

[fierce crest]

he didnt know it staggered the big boys and hes comitted

[compact cargo]

I did?

I also know it pushes busters

[tall mango]

BB is a great CC tool for bulwarks tbh

But so is voidstrike

voidstrike is just so goofy

[compact cargo]

With horrible results if done with horde.

[tall mango]

which one, BB?

[compact cargo]

Won't stay like this according to cms either

[tall mango]

That’s good

I just hope it isn’t over nerfed

[compact cargo]

And there's better tools to cc bulwarks...

[fierce crest]

yeah it kinda gets ignored for change suggestions

[olive ember]

I mean I’m assuming it’s getting nerfed so I’m building around purge staff etc in the meantime

[fierce crest]

cuz like

[olive ember]

Tbh I also like how flamer plays compared to void anyways

[fierce crest]

theyre probly not gonna buff surge and leave void the same

so you can assume both

[tall mango]

I like my rail gun, I hope it stays so it can still one shot trash mobs and do a good job at clearing a line in the horde

[torn bison]

are these blessings good for the MK IV dueling sword? Rampage seems like it's a dud because of the requirement

[tall mango]

I’ll just build a trauma staff in the meantime

[olive ember]

I think it should just swap damage values with surge

Voidstrike should be the one that needs 3-4 shots to kill a crusher and surge should 2 shot it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tall mango]

Honestly, sure

[fierce crest]

give surge the surge blessing

[compact cargo]

yep

[olive ember]

Especially since surge only hits like 2-3 enemies and voidstrike is a bowling ball

[plucky flax]

Change rampage to shred.

[fierce crest]

and aoe staggers

[compact cargo]

damn that's a quick block

[fierce crest]

youve been blocked a while

you can still reply

[compact cargo]

Still reading me tho

[tall mango]

Voidstrike can stay the massive bowling ball that can stagger and clear hordes, surge can CC and kill elites quickly

[compact cargo]

No dancing ogryn for u

[fierce crest]

and then trauma can be the effect applier

[tall mango]

hmm, maybe worth getting and replacing the blessings

[fierce crest]

armor strip and fire

[compact cargo]

Run and gun best blessing clearly

[tall mango]

nah, give me a seperate staff thats basically just the firepiller from sienna

[ionic island]

ik we're talkin about staves rn but what blessings are considered good on the force swords nowadays?

[fierce crest]

yeah

[compact cargo]

Coruscation and conflag

[fierce crest]

i miss that staff

[tall mango]

honest to god why do the staffs have run and gun

fucking stupid

[compact cargo]

Two staffs, both fun

[compact cargo]

Fartshark at work, like how hsword has bromemtum

[tall mango]

but yeah, thoughts? worth grabbing or nah

[compact cargo]

Rending shockwave is decent on mass armor

And funny staff of floor pounding

[fierce crest]

id keep the armor strip

replace crit instead

[olive ember]

Isn’t that staff like broken op

[tall mango]

What should i replace it with? unyielding or

[olive ember]

Tho prob not as much in darktide cuz

Lots of ranged

[tall mango]

in VT? not really broken, but it can shut down hordes very easily

[fierce crest]

was gonna say no but, unyeilding armor strip

maniac flak is the default for me

[tall mango]

i got lucky with manic

[fierce crest]

ye

keep that one for sure

[tall mango]

man i forget what every enemy is tbh

[gilded viper]

Hey real quick, what’s the blessing for void that shoots 2 balls at people or whatever called?

[olive ember]

Ehh honestly I’d go like warp flurry and change the crit perk to unarmoured or flak or something

[ionic island]

also what map should i be lookin for for the silly little cliffhanger penance? i was thinking the mission where you give bad intel to the cogitator thingy, but half the time the randos i play with are too damn good at killing the hordes during that and i miss out on push chances 🤔

[tall mango]

Surge

[olive ember]

But idk

[tall mango]

It procs on crit

[olive ember]

There’s multiple missions, I’d suggest going on YouTube and search cliffhanger darktide and pick a video with your preferred map

[unique mist]

and both shots crit

[tall mango]

so Flak or Unyielding then

[unique mist]

which is very nice

[tall mango]

bad at deciding

[unique mist]

for what

[ionic island]

preciate the advice 🙏

[fierce crest]

does surge work on trauma m2?

[gilded viper]

I guess Ima grind voidstrikes out till i’ve got one I’m happy with

[tall mango]

You can get surge on trauma?

[fierce crest]

i think so

[primal radish]

did they add blazing spirit 4 on trauma yet or still max at lvl 3?

[olive ember]

Also at this point I’d suggest asking for help from LFG or even psyker chat since not that many people are doing penances. You either gonna have to knock out the soloable ones, try and do em just mid game, or get specific help

[fierce crest]

im checking idk

[ionic island]

Yeahhhhhhh fair enough LOL

i've finished all the old psyker penances but that one through either circumstance or havin people help throughout my darktide career and such

[fierce crest]

yes

thought so

[ionic island]

at this point i just want the hood out of spite LOL

[tall mango]

Thats kinda goofy

[olive ember]

Ah then cliffhanger is ez enough you can do it solo

[fierce crest]

nope still 3 max

[olive ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1ecemABEzI

^^ this is a way to do it solo

[tall mango]

surge + warp nexus

[olive ember]

Probably the oldest method tbh

[ionic island]

ahh the old description still hurts me to the core

[olive ember]

Wait no wrong video

Lmao

[fierce crest]

but does it work on m2 like for VS

[ionic island]

so glad they lowered the amount LOL

[tall mango]

you tell me

[fierce crest]

cuz if it does you could do surge, blazing and get a guaranteed crit with True Aim

[olive ember]

https://youtu.be/8cU_jq3IAis?feature=shared

@ionic island this video ^^ not the other one

That one can be done at the start of a map solo the other requires you to wait to the end of a map

[ionic island]

ahhh yeah that lil area does seem wayyy better

thanking you yet again for the advice 😌

[olive ember]

But yeah there’s a couple spots, I know another popular one is that one assassination map where the enemy spawns right next to a hole

[ionic island]

gonna try this next time

i figure the one mission where you get the smelter up and running again wouldn't be bad either

[tall mango]

I was finally able to finish the monstrosity penance and man im happy

[ionic island]

the big ole hole in the middle and whatnot

[ionic island]

yeah that one sucks LOL

[tall mango]

Ive wanted this chest for the longest time

[ionic island]

thankfully ogryns are still the mvp for that one

[fierce crest]

gotta update the pfp

[tall mango]

oh TRUE

[fierce crest]

swag

[tall mango]

[idle bay]

So siblings can have 25% (nodes) +10-33% (bigger node) - always on Toughness DR? + up to 33% from Vet Aura and +15% from Zealot aura - Also always on. Getting passive TDR at 50% - 103% ? 0_0

[ionic island]

actually, if any of you happen to be on, wanna help me get the funny push people off a cliff penance?

[unique mist]

is that locked behind a penance or?

[tall mango]

Yes

[ionic island]

indeed it is

[ionic island]

malleus monstronum or somethin

[tall mango]

it’s the one that requires you to kill a monstrosity in a private game by with brain burst

[idle bay]

@near wyvern i summon thee !

[acoustic spade]

To my knowledge those are Multiplicative, not additive

[tall mango]

If I were to do a gun psyker build, which gun would y’all recommend?

[idle bay]

That is what i wanted to clarify - how exactly TDR works /stacks/ adds and multiplies

[fierce crest]

but why tho

[summer prairie]

all DR is multiplicative

[fierce crest]

#1158835513789272126 message

the blam blam 5000

that is a hell of a name

[silent chasm]

which force sword is the best one?

[fierce crest]

illisi for cleave, deimos for single target

both good

[silent chasm]

thx

[tall mango]

i’m gonna use dueling sword

[fierce crest]

DS is probly better than deimos for single target

but force sword cool

[tall mango]

Ye, i’m just doing themed builds

first roll

GG

[olive ember]

Why noot

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-noot-noot-penguin-head-bang-gif-17021033

[idle bay]

Let's pretend for a moment that it is a monday, no cofee in bloodstream and there is some brain damage . We making a psyker build - first +5% Toughness DR is just that = makes us have 5% TDR. We take second and 3rd +5% Toughness DR nodes - how much exatctly we end up having in the end?

[fierce crest]

[tall mango]

I think that’s good at least

[limpid cypress]

Why do I hear Big Iron playing?

[tall mango]

I’m not good at remember which stats are best

[fierce crest]

damn even lower reload than mine

its fine

[limpid cypress]

Slow reload speed doesn’t really matter if everything is dead /hj

[fierce crest]

damage pen most important

[fierce crest]

yeah but what if things are in 6 different directions

[tall mango]

i whip out assail

ez

[fierce crest]

exactly

[limpid cypress]

Then you may have a problem, but we’ll get there when we get there

[ionic island]

i love assail but i trust that because i love it it's gonna be useless in a month 😭

[fierce crest]

axe things up close, build a charge of True Aim, crit something with revolver, go back to axe

[summer prairie]

Should be 1-0.95x0.95x0.95, so ~14.3%

[fierce crest]

use true aim on an assail shard if nothing to revolver

[tall mango]

holy fuck lmao

ran out of plasteel but

[limpid cypress]

I run smite so my panic button is really just a, “yo dude, time-out real quick. I gotta tie my shoe. Stay right there.”

[tall mango]

i got LUCKY huh

[humble star]

how much less is only 38 reload?

[idle bay]

Thank you. As soon as remnants of my brain registered math - backup memory kicked in and now i understand 🙂

[fierce crest]

this is 54

[tall mango]

jesus fuck this does DAMAGE

[fierce crest]

yeah

one of the few ranged weapon with carapace damage

[tall mango]

yeah im happy

this is good build

[humble star]

what does the reload stat say? It should give the total time

[fierce crest]

it lies

says 2s

[humble star]

does it? lmao

[fierce crest]

but thats not how revolver reload works

[lucid shadow]

I think this is pretty good but im unsure what I can do to make it better

[fierce crest]

its like 1.5s to remove spent casings then 1s each round you load

[tall mango]

herse a video showing kill and reload

[humble star]

was probaby 2 seconds when it originally had a way to reload the entire thing at once

[olive ember]

Those perks are E

[humble star]

but got scrapped for this ghetto ass reload we have now

[olive ember]

Technically I’d prefer something like riposte or precog (yes precog is good now) on it but shred ain’t bad

But those perks are both useless so

[lucid shadow]

The perks need to go for sure

[olive ember]

Imo replace the perks idk if anyone else wanna weigh in

[lucid shadow]

I just wanted to check in incase I brick another weapon on accident

[fierce crest]

replace the perks for sure

you can always rereplace those later if you regret

[lucid shadow]

fair

I have rampage 4 so I wasnt sure if I should prioritize that

[humble star]

So the difference between 54% and 80% is 6% total reload speed. Meaning only 38 would be near 10%. Ouch

[slow raven]

nah rampage sucks on ds

[lucid shadow]

mmm ok ty

[tall mango]

Yeah this revolver fucks

[lucid shadow]

someoen lied to me LMAOOO

[slow raven]

you can only proc it with a push attack

i mean normally rampage is a bis blessing for most melee weapons

[tall mango]

with max warp charges im getting 1k+ damage on headshot

[lucid shadow]

ah I see

[slow raven]

but on ds it is annoying af to proc it

[tall mango]

appreciated @fierce crest

[lucid shadow]

gotcha ty ty

[humble star]

tbf there are much more annoying ways to proc blessings than a simple push attack. But yeah, there are certainly better options

[olive ember]

Rampage only procs on push attacks so

Unless you like spamming push attacks to proc rampage I would use something else

[slow raven]

proccing it and also keeping it up, once it's up you can use light attacks to maintain it but the swings just arent great for cleaving

[olive ember]

Also for rampage 4 that USED to be the 2nd best perk for dueling sword… but that was back when stuff like precog and riposte were complete memes and duelling sword in general was kinda mid. Now tho rampage is like middle of the list. It’s not completely worthless but it’s def not one of the go-to blessings

[humble star]

IDK how you play but throwing in occasional push attacks really isn't hard if you use them often.

[olive ember]

I mean I use it to one shot or two shot muties

[spice veldt]

the thing is that you're not really bringing the DS for hordeclear or that sort

and you're not hitting the one-shot BP on poxwalkers without +infested

well, I'm not sure if you can do that even with +infested

[slow raven]

it's not hard i just dont like to have an extra thing to keep an eye on, stuff like headtaker and slaughterer is perfect for me so i can drool on myself while i play

[spice veldt]

DS lights deal ~200 damage on a weakspot to poxwalkers who have 375 hp now

[olive ember]

Even if you could see you rly sacrificing a perk slot for +infested

[spice veldt]

if rampage doesn't let you hit the one-shot BP on poxwalkers, then your improvements to hordeclear will be rather marginal

[humble star]

Never said it was best, just said it's not hard to proc. And in the middle of hordes you should easily be able to keep it up unless you just like spamming lights and heavies and nothing more

[spice veldt]

not hard but it is annoying with an Assail -> DS rotation

i'd rather not deal with push-attacks if I can help it

[humble star]

assail makes any rotation even easier with how brainless it is tho

[spice veldt]

I'm only push-attacking if I'm purely using the DS and not using Assail

[olive ember]

SMH look at this meta slave

I’ve been having fun with a purge BB dueling sword psyker

[humble star]

You aren't using anything else if you are wanting to be "optimal" with assail until you meet monstrosities and crushers

[spice veldt]

assail does run out occasionally during hordes

[tall mango]

Just had my dueling sword crit for 3k

yeah this is gonna be fun to use

[olive ember]

Not strong enough pls buff

[humble star]

All I'm saying is that it's not hard to keep up. which it isn't, like at all

[spice veldt]

yeah

me too

[spice veldt]

.

[worthy spoke]

question for the experts here: for damage bonuses to "warp attacks", does that include all blitzes?

[humble star]

Also I guess I'm saying it's not annoying IMO either since it's so simple. If I'm not doing heavies, I'm dong push attack with it.

[olive ember]

Yes

Unless I am being big dumb

But pretty sure yes

[humble star]

not a very complex loop

[worthy spoke]

thanks

[olive ember]

Myeh I’d just rather not have to care about upkeeping it with the stam usage etc etc

Where as “successful dodge” is kinda just

[humble star]

psyker stam regen makes that a non issue

[olive ember]

Procced naturally while trying not to each shit

[humble star]

like psyker is the push attack monster

[olive ember]

I mean true

[humble star]

stam regen delay is almost non-existent

[worthy spoke]

with stam regen curios i can regen stamina while sprint/sliding

[spice veldt]

psyker's 0.5s stam regen delay 😎

[worthy spoke]

[slow raven]

i guess it was meta like 9 months ago to use antax push attack spam on psyker with kinetic deflection to not worry about stamina

[humble star]

If you are never push attacking while playing psyker you are unintentionally ignoring one of the best parts of the kit.

[olive ember]

I actually have been wondering

If they got rid of damage caps

Is push attack spam back on the table

[slow raven]

well i tend to push attack a decent amount, but usually only when i need to, rather than as part of a damage rotation

[olive ember]

Now that it can damage more than 3 enemies?

@spice veldt pls respond

[spice veldt]

prolly idk

DS push-attacks are peepee poopoo

[olive ember]

What about something like antax

[spice veldt]

well the MK2's at least is fine w/o rampage

[olive ember]

BM antax push attacks kekw

[spice veldt]

but the MK4's push-attack is an uppercut diagonal

meaning that you are missing out on the 3-target finesse bonus that DS push-attacks have because you're not hitting heads

[worthy spoke]

another question for y'all: do finess bonuses apply to ranged weapons too? or just melee?

[olive ember]

Aren’t the antax push attacks like almost entirely horizontal

[idle bay]

So Toughness DR on Psyker with his nodes, vet aura, zealot aura can end up haviing PASSIVE ~61-72% Toughness damage reduction!

Add Armour of Contept on top of that (from Zealot)

[spice veldt]

if I don't have a reason to (rampage/hitbox aligns with enemies), then I would never ever push-attack with the mk4 DS for anything except as a "i'm pushing so I might as well push-attack" measure

op

[olive ember]

You mean you don’t spam push a random poxwalker off a ledge?

[humble star]

smh

[olive ember]

What’s even the point of living

[spice veldt]

i'm not booly

i never booly

[humble star]

not bullying heretics with physical abuse

[olive ember]

Anyways Ima go sleep

[spice veldt]

i do wish DS push-attacks were better cuz they're quite fun

gnite

on the psword, there did arise situations where I had to use the push-attack to not get ganked if I couldn't activate it

and the single-target from the push-attacks were genuinely very useful

[olive ember]

Can’t wait to argue about how surge staff is useless and how assail needs every nerf in existence tmrw

[spice veldt]

the idea of trading stamina to do something better is always appealing

[ripe yacht]

Eh. Magic missiles aren't that good.

[spice veldt]

they are very good

if you look at their raw DPS, then sure they're nothing impressive

[ripe yacht]

Sure. But, like, have you seen smite?

[spice veldt]

But they have an insane ease of use and very unclunky weapons

[obtuse moth]

smite is mid imo

[olive ember]

Smite is a buggy mess

[spice veldt]

sure I have, but that's a bugged interaction

[lunar spruce]

Way I see it your Blitz/Grenade abillity should be something you use from time to time.. with Assail you can pretty much spam all day long

[olive ember]

If it weren’t for bug smite would be the worst of the 3

[spice veldt]

if we're evaluating blitzes by their base intended behavior, then Assail is an absolute outlier

[austere burrow]

i'm considering replacing weak spot with maniac and upgrade the crit level, thoughts on this?

[ripe yacht]

Assail just… doesn't really seem to have a use case to me.

[fierce crest]

everything

[ripe yacht]

What's it good at?

[fierce crest]

except crusher

[spice veldt]

killing everything that isn't a mauler/crusher/bulwark/monstrosity

[obtuse moth]

^

[wise mesa]

they fix the bug on smite and its basically going to be chain-explosion downed pyskers every run

[spice veldt]

ranged patrols in particular will be decimated

[fierce crest]

bulwark just aim up

ez pz

[maiden hornet]

even with the bug is it even comparable to the other two? you are just tickling them and ccing them while the other two can just remove the threat

[austere burrow]

any pack that has gunners/ragers in it just gets annihilated

[olive ember]

The legitimate play with smite is to build into warp charges and warp res

[austere burrow]

because of empowered assail refreshes

[unique mist]

Psykers, I present: the least entertaining Frenzied Killer(2) you'll see (90 kills in 30s):
https://imgur.com/a/NezYsz8

[olive ember]

Eh there’s an argument for being able to infinitely hold an entire group of enemies in place

[kind jay]

assail causes so much pearl clutching. fatshark should replace it with a pearl clutching emote

[olive ember]

But without the bug it’s def the weakest

[plucky flax]

Assail gaming. I used it against maulers too cos cba to switch to op void.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv82gJBhZyo

[fierce crest]

its very strong

[maiden hornet]

you need to walk at turtle speed and can easily be interrupted by a slap by anyone

[olive ember]

Like I’ve heard the tales of smite bug users just walking through a mission and just stunning everything that gets close (as long as their teammates know how to left click and kill things)

[austere burrow]

yeah assail is not even awful into maulers is the funny thing

[olive ember]

You can dodge while casting

[ripe yacht]

In a mission, am slow. Sorry

[austere burrow]

as long as you don't hit their head

[lunar spruce]

cringe music on a gameplay clip .. I can feel my own peril going up

[spice veldt]

• It has a fast swap time, having essentially no penalty for swapping to it and allowing you to chain into it smoothly
• It has a high ammunition and regeneration. The opportunity cost for using Assail is very low.
• It has a target cap instead of a cleave cap. A single shard will hit 3 poxwalkers, and a single shard will also hit 3 ragers.
• It has no loss in effectiveness with distance (up to a certain point) due to its aim assist and having no damage falloff.
• It has aim assist, and ridiculously good aim assist

[wise mesa]

I mean its not a tale, you fire voidstaff off to you get one of the procs then you can just right click hold then left click the entire room indefinately.

[unique mist]

Almost everything lmao

[plucky flax]

I got called top 1% psyker from playing assail must be really pro.

[unique mist]

and it can crit and hit weakspots

[fierce crest]

excellent song choice

[maiden hornet]

still compare to asail and brain burst it is still the worst even with the bug

[spice veldt]

oh yeah

and having actual synergy with psyker's feats

[wide temple]

did they change how voidstrike fires at some point

[fierce crest]

its not worse than bb

thats cap

[spice veldt]

like, Assail is the best weapon to take advantage of Soulstealer

[placid sorrel]

did they add Seer voicelines to have creepy ass laughs?

[spice veldt]

uninterruptible fast-hitting attacks

[ornate hamlet]

Can anyone help me make a private game to get the 90% headburst monstrosity penance?

[olive ember]

With the bug I wouldn’t call it worse than BB

Without eh

Maybe

[wise mesa]

yeah...being able to lock down 30+ targets 5+ ogyrns, hound packs all in one go is so much worse than assail and BB

you can litterally infinitely do it

[obtuse moth]

or they could just be dead.

[drowsy slate]

What are the best daimos perks and blessings?

[fierce crest]

which oines soul stealer

[olive ember]

15% toughness on warp kill

Basically purge and assail’s playground

And to a lesser(?) extent trauma and voidstrike

[fierce crest]

ah yeah

[spice veldt]

and Assail's stagger is pretty good

[fierce crest]

combustion pathway my beloved

[fierce crest]

would you say assail is cc

[olive ember]

Running toughness on quell and toughness on warp kill with purge staff is kinda nutty imo

[spice veldt]

not "lock down the whole room stagger", but it's stagger that will interrupt volleying Gunners/Reapers and comboing Ragers

[spice veldt]

bleh

[olive ember]

I legit didn’t realize I was running with only 90 toughness until like

5 minute until mission end

[plucky flax]

Hp is better anyway.

Too many things break your toughness instantly.

[drowsy slate]

Lately I increased toughness as far as I could. Feels like health wound do it anymore

[olive ember]

Lmao the zealots would tear you apart if they could @plucky flax

[fierce crest]

sniperbombflamerburst

[spice veldt]

no one can take my toughness away from me

[maiden hornet]

I just hope they fix the bug with Smite while giving it some love along with BB which never got any better as far as I can remember

[slow raven]

are people running uncanny strike over slaughterer on force swords now?

[plucky flax]

I run hp stacking on all classes since the dawn of time.

[olive ember]

Ik

[olive ember]

And don’t they despise that part of ya

[plucky flax]

Why most zealots are trash Idc about their opinion.

[olive ember]

My purge build in auric damn has like 210 hp and 90 toughness

[spice veldt]

tbh I do think that it's better to invest in HP now

[olive ember]

Literally didn’t notice cuz warp kill + quelling + shriek just gives me toughness back

[spice veldt]

because enemies actually do >100 damage now

[fierce crest]

is this your no keystone build

[spice veldt]

ye

[maiden hornet]

god I want to have that much toughess

[olive ember]

Zealots run full toughness now

[maiden hornet]

with keystones

[olive ember]

Cuz there’s like an invincible wound gating build

[idle bay]

It's just a lot of Touhgness or a lot of Toughness and Toughness DR?

[spice veldt]

toughness + 4x toughness DR node

[drowsy slate]

You got a video for your no keystone build right?

[spice veldt]

I didn't take Kinetic Shield

I don't make videos but i do have my skill tree somewhere

[olive ember]

There’s this interaction with zealots passives where you take “next hit would put you below wound it doesn’t” and “heal 25% of hp” and it basically makes em invincible

[spice veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1158835513789272126/1160917135149781002/image.png?ex=65366755&is=6523f255&hm=1e9e791f7a04906a69ff30ea044128b12320b5960b89de2016869ea28e029507&

[olive ember]

But they need to stack like all the DR

[unique mist]

who needs keystones when you have assail

[hushed pike]

Any good?

Dump stat mobility

[keen harbor]

I wish I had this on my zealot

[plucky flax]

Martyr is pretty bad compared to the old martyr.

[maiden hornet]

chunky psyker is all i want

[plucky flax]

You are forced to run wounds curios.

[idle bay]

As i posted not long ago - it's possible with team passive always on buffs to get 61-72% passive toughness DR on Psyker.... and on top of having 200+ toughness we could take a hit or two 🙂

[olive ember]

Myeh I’d sacrifice those random stat nodes for other things

[plucky flax]

Before you just have to be risky and play low hp.

[olive ember]

But that’s prob how I ended up with 210 hp and 90 toughness

[olive ember]

Bro that’s bait

[maiden hornet]

I like to run the right keystone for zealot off topic i know

[olive ember]

Martyr was a meme that was only used because the other options were also meme

[unique mist]

is the soulblaze on elite kill even that good

like what does it do really

[plucky flax]

No it was way better. Now you have to invest in shitty curious to be as good. Before I ran martyr talents with hp stacking and holy rev.

[obtuse moth]

its good

[spice veldt]

insanely good

[plucky flax]

I played at 20% and get 20% attack speed. Now it's 4% attack speed per wound.

[obtuse moth]

it immolates the entire pack of elites and horde

[plucky flax]

It's so bad.

[spice veldt]

Perilous Combustion is easily one of the nodes of all time

[unique mist]

like i run it but idk why i run it

[spice veldt]

kill two elites and basically everything around is dead

[plucky flax]

Momentum is just way stronger than martyr now for me.

[olive ember]

Bro have you seen what new martyr is like with wound gating and 25% healing

[idle bay]

It's free damage on scoreboard. It's can't kill a poxwalker, but it's a free damage 🙂

[unique mist]

it doesn't seem to kill weak enemies outright

[spice veldt]

8 stacks of soulblaze is enough to dink a Scab Rager down to 20% hp

[obtuse moth]

kill more elites faster

[plucky flax]

No show me

[spice veldt]

Soulblaze has approximately exponential scaling early on, so that's probably why

[obtuse moth]

you're not supposed to proc it once, you're supposed to proc it multuple times

[spice veldt]

and Soulblaze lasts for 8 seconds before decaying 1 tick at a time

[plucky flax]

Are you even zealot main like me?

[unique mist]

why not just run toughness on peril gen, that's instant toughness on demand

[spice veldt]

cuz it's not that much toughness over time

[keen harbor]

toughness on peril gen is the worst out of the 4 choices

[spice veldt]

whereas with Warp Absorption, you only need 6 kills for 90% toughness

[keen harbor]

toughness on warp kill > toughness on quell > toughness on crit > toughness on peril gen

[spice veldt]

with Warp Expenditure, you need to generate 400% peril (and quell 300%) for 100% toughness

[olive ember]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1xOYKDquEWiQ91/d1337QT4vA7M?invite=cr-MSxlTzMsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[unique mist]

(quell 200%)

[obtuse moth]

i like the movement speed from crit

[unique mist]

or, you know, generate and quell 125% peril with both perks

[olive ember]

Anyways ima sleep for real now

[plucky flax]

Wut that's just normal zealot gameplay.

[olive ember]

Gn

🤔 idk man lots of damage lots of attack speed and barely any toughness damage taken

He literally walks into a gunner spraying at him

[plucky flax]

That's nothing special to me or anything to do with martyr build.

[maiden hornet]

is it overdoing it with toughness gen if i take toughness on peril gen and quell along with toughness on warp kill?

[plucky flax]

You get attack speed with momentum keystone also.

And damage.

[olive ember]

Actually I think ik why you hate martyr build

[keen harbor]

IMO, you only need toughness on warp and toughness on quell. But if you have spare points, then get toughness on gen

[olive ember]

Isn’t one of the biggest things about martyr build how it gives toughness DR

[keen harbor]

although I think you would be better off getting +15 toughness or 5% toughness damage reduction

[olive ember]

Any bleh I’m still typing >.> that’s it ima go sleep

Gn for real for real

[plucky flax]

No I loved the old martyr with (being low hp = more damage), rather than now forcing you to stack wounds curios.

Let the people do what they want.

[maiden hornet]

because I usually generate a lot of peril with my smite so that's why i took the toughness on peril gen

[spice veldt]

let's say that it takes 2.25 seconds to quell from 100% peril to 0% peril (80% quell speed and w/o quell speed node), and that you were using the Trauma staff (1.9s per cast and w/o warp flurry, at least pre-patch. I don't know the current values).
This leads to 7.6 seconds to generate 100% peril.
So, this means that you get 75% toughness every 9.85 seconds, or 7.61% toughness per second, which is fine

but that's not as much burst toughness as Warp Absorption

[maiden hornet]

thanks for the suggestion will try it out

[spice veldt]

and with Assail, which is an aim-assisted weapon that can kill multiple targets per throw, you will have a comfortable time just regenerating the entirety of your toughness

[unique mist]

i understand what you're saying

[plucky flax]

Assail gamer

[obtuse moth]

you know you have to quell the same peril you generated, so toughness on quell will get you twice that amount. all forms of quelling count, including passive quelling and shouting

[spice veldt]

the other problem with Warp Expenditure is that it doesn't work with Kinetic Deflection

so even as a way to generate toughness by blocking a Cspawn and whatnot, it won't work

[keen harbor]

after trying out assail+voidstrike+shield, and smite+voidstrike+shield, I feel like the former is better, even if you aren't spamming assail

[obtuse moth]

bug?

[spice veldt]

ye

[unique mist]

This is my assail/scriers/ddestiny crit build

[plucky flax]

They used such a shitty ui on this build editor website.

Why can't they make it the same as in game.

[unique mist]

though I did just switch from warp expenditure to quietude

[maiden hornet]

Yeah I know, I have both regen on quell and regen on generate, so it is doubled in my mind

[keen harbor]

It'd be nice if that site had weapons and curios on the side, so you can easily post the whole build

[unique mist]

i'm playing heresy quickplay and running wound/tough/health with 3x combat regen (and hopefully 2x revive, 2x tough and 1x health, haven't gotten transcendent curios yet).

would you change anything?

the +wounds i feel is essential to me

[keen harbor]

yeah, that's fine

[unique mist]

because i am noobish and go down a lot

[obtuse moth]

it isn't, since regen on generate only gives half that amount, so its 50% more, aka 1.5x not 2x. if you can kill things with smite, assail, staves or empowered force sword attacks you can fill up to 100% toughness almost instantly

[keen harbor]

optionally, you can swap out toughness or HP for +3 stamina

[maiden hornet]

i may put that one point in 10% toughness damage reduction

[gilded viper]

What should I be swapping to here?

[keen harbor]

sustained fire for surge, if you have it

[gilded viper]

Rolling surge has been a pain, ran outa plasteel too

Should I keep the perks?

[keen harbor]

if not, you can swap SF for warp flurry or transfer peril

the +10 ranged weakspot damage is fairly useless, so you can swap that for +unyielding

[maiden hornet]

i've been trying to get warp flurry on my surge staff for so long. I've got one on my void staff but I'm not surrendering that weapon

[ripe yacht]

Fair points, fair points.

I guess my impression is that it's good at… just about everything, but it's not amazing at anything in particular (except, y'know, it's maybe a bit overtuned and so it actually is amazing at most things).

But, like… if I want single target removal, I have BB. If I want to be a support, there's Smite. If I want to clear hordes, there's an illisi or a purgatus staff. You have more than one tool. Why settle for the one that doesn't do one thing really well? It's not like you're really limited by ammo or grenades or something. Just Peril.

[gilded viper]

don't worry staves don't share blessings anyhow

[left turtle]

well i told myself i'd never touch auric cause would probably be frustratingly hard.
It was the most exhilerating experience lol

[gilded viper]

auric is fun

[left turtle]

everyone died and i managed to clutch it

before class overhaul i never wanted to touch psyker and now its easily the class i gel with the absolute most

[obtuse moth]

bb is outclassed by assail except on carapace and monstrosities

all the crystals will hit their target long before bb completes

[spice veldt]

you can also typically throw shards in-between your slides and whatnot

[ripe yacht]

At close to medium ranges sure, but… will it actually?

And in terms of raw damage, BB is far better than magic missiles.

[spice veldt]

whereas with BB you have to be equipping it

[ripe yacht]

Also a very good point.

[spice veldt]

remember that the shards can hit up to 3 targets with Ethereal Shards, hit weakspots, and crit

[carmine agate]

Whats the blitz u pair with purg staff?

[obtuse moth]

TTK is lower on assail than bb, there fore assail is better

if it kills the enemy faster its done its job better, theoretical overkill damage is useless

[spice veldt]

and there's also breakpoints

[left turtle]

are people arguing that the extremely boring and hyper-overtuned Assail is better?

[spice veldt]

BB is a weapon with long, very discrete attacks

if you use it on enemies like normal shooters, you will often just overkill

whereas Assail has a lower cost associated with each shard

[left turtle]

I run BB, Purg staff/Duelign sword

[obtuse moth]

more that BB is currently made somewhat pointless atm because of assail

[ripe yacht]

It matters versus mutants, monstrosities, crushers, bulwarks… Y'know, big beefy guys. Shotguns? Bombers? Snipesr?

[left turtle]

eh i wouldent say that

[round charm]

how well does assail do in damnation? is it still basically carrying you as primary damage, or does it become more flex?

[keen harbor]

in a wide open room with gunners spreadout and hiding behind cover, assail is hands down the best tool

[limber heath]

idt there's a reason to use purg staff without bb, assail and smite will both be doing the same/better job fo what its trying to do

[obtuse moth]

#psyker-class message damnation gameplay

[keen harbor]

massive time saver vs trying to snipe them with BB or VS

[round charm]

preciate ya

[left turtle]

BB allows max range and precise target prioritization. when a crusher or mauler is moving through the horde, BB will stun it, then eliminate it with ease, where-as assail isnt as precise

[ripe yacht]

That's what I'm getting at.

[spice veldt]

on the other hand, Assail frees up both of your ranged and melee weapons to fill those roles

[obtuse moth]

use assail right click

[spice veldt]

because Assail is an overtuned generalist

It is Psyker's autopistol

except it's in our blitz slot

[left turtle]

I still think assail needs to get reduced damage against flak i think that alone will bring it back in-line

[ripe yacht]

That's my general vibe.

[limber heath]

free autopistol for everyone

[round charm]

ok, so you just keep peril at like 60%+ and chuck some darts and quell repeat?

[keen harbor]

In damnation assail can be used as either primary or secondary damage source.

[obtuse moth]

but idk why you would choose crushers or maulers as the example of your long range bb use, theyre both melee units and the precise units you wouldn't use assail on.

[round charm]

and with assail youre actively aiming at targets, or do they just do stuff?

[spice veldt]

you'll have to aim them

[limber heath]

sort of actively aiming.

[spice veldt]

well, "aim" in a loose sense

[limber heath]

pointing in their general direction

[obtuse moth]

just point your cursor in the general direction of your enemies

[keen harbor]

you can throw a few shards, and swap to staff. the shards will follow your pointer

[round charm]

am i aiming for headshots, or general sweeping?

[limber heath]

headshot

[keen harbor]

above their head also works

[obtuse moth]

you can aim it to hit what you want, but if you wave it around it will lock on something in the vicinity

[spice veldt]

the shards don't follow your cursor per se--they lock onto the enemies that your cursor is over if the shards are nearby

[limber heath]

and sweeping i guess sweep left and right while aiming at head level tbh

[keen harbor]

the autoaim on shards feels very console CoD

[left turtle]

they werent my example for BB long range. it was my example of its precision

[round charm]

welp, yolo into damn it is

[ripe yacht]

And my example of big beefy guys.

[left turtle]

BB can snipe out snipers, bombers, trappers who are running that you didnt mange to finish off, anything else that moves behind cover cause it sticks regardless of LOS

you can also safely tag and hide while popping heads

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/ydfsds

one-shots snipers btw

[round charm]

voidstrike can do that too

[left turtle]

yes yes we get it assail is comically overpowered and sucks the fun out everything

[obtuse moth]

it is

[left turtle]

if youre hitting things outside of LOS with voidstrike then you got some hacks goin on

[obtuse moth]

no

voidstrike has explosion damage and a huge hitbox

[fading heath]

Whats the dump stat for voidstrike?

[left turtle]

i dunno what to tell you then, go on thinking BB is usless and just use assail for the most boring and stale gameplay that is SO boring it even makes it boring for the rest of your team

[obtuse moth]

you've always been able to shoot over the top of something an enemy is ducking behind with VS

no one said BB is useless

its just outclassed by assail in terms of balance rn

[spice veldt]

BB fits a role

but like, I don't give a shit about BB anymore after 1.6k hours

I've simply had enough of it

[left turtle]

ok, sorry, not useless "Pointless"

[lunar hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[obtuse moth]

outclassed in the vast majority of circumstances

which we've been pretty clear about

but whine if you want

[left turtle]

lmfao

god psyker chat is the worst fuckin class chat, any point of argueing or using anything off-meta and it gets venemous

[obtuse moth]

? i use BB myself

i can still accept that its outclassed balance wise

[kind jay]

i just want empowered bb to have an aoe component

[left turtle]

i literally just offered a few points of why i enjoy it and still use in end-game.
and you say im "whining"

[paper loom]

is there a good way to farm the level 4 blessings?

[limber heath]

why you accusing someone who was just saying assail is overtuned of being venomous 😭 idt they even said anything about BB being bad

[obtuse moth]

^

[left turtle]

should i go back and edit the comment to say "pointless" instead of useless. its literally your words

[fierce crest]

use assail in bursts

its the future

im tellin ya

[carmine agate]

I gamble with high base stat 370-380 weapons of that type. Upgrade and pray

[obtuse moth]

i said somewhat pointless and the full context is there

[paper loom]

i read that if you say have 80% dmg you are more liekly to get a certain type of blessing is that true would you know mate?

[left turtle]

so we're stuck on using a synonym

[idle bay]

Not in bursts. Single use with maximum guidance of the bolt. That's the way 🙂

[spice veldt]

well they said "somewhat pointless" so it is what it is

the one getting into the semantics of it is you

[left turtle]

how

[limber heath]

if ur gonna ignore the somewhat and the implications that come with it then idk

[fierce crest]

thats basically what i do, build crit with melee, get crit shard

[obtuse moth]

i'm not dumping on bb or promoting assail, i'm actually saying assail is too strong and BB should be buffed

[fierce crest]

idk if bb needs a buff