psyker-class

[sonic gale]

best curio for a pysker? toughness or wounds?

[strong pilot]

prefer toughness, so much toughness regen from psyker tree

[carmine agate]

hi should i buy this?

[viscid matrix]

yes

[carmine agate]

ok thanks. for curios what perks do you guys usually get?

[viscid matrix]

i use full hp with hp toughness regen and gunner/sniper resist

[dense tapir]

Surge work with secondary attack ?

[viscid matrix]

ye

[dense tapir]

[strong pilot]

i got the idea from a content creator, hard to see in psychroom

[dense tapir]

But wait that's op

[viscid matrix]

yep, you can 1tap everything except monstrocities because of it

its overtuned

[dense tapir]

I was already thinking voidstaff wasturbo op without it

[viscid matrix]

full 75% hp and toughnes regen plus the toughness on talent tree gives me this

[strong pilot]

synergy with this

[carmine agate]

nice

[strong pilot]

ear bleed activation with VS

[carmine agate]

im still collecting blessings around

[dense tapir]

Noice

[carmine agate]

suffering from plasteel deficiency

[viscid matrix]

1 fully charged secondary with surge on a Damnation Crusher

from 100% to 0% instantly

i did 2k damage with 1 of the hits here

[strong pilot]

cant wait to bring my VS for a real run and aggro crucher pats

[dense tapir]

I just got this from Emprah

thank you my my love

[sonic gale]

is this worth upgrading or no?

[viscid matrix]

MK IV is the strongest duelling sword, so yes, until you get a better one

[viscid matrix]

swap warp flurry or transfer peril to surge for that double tap on crit

[dense tapir]

Don't have surge

[unique mist]

is low (57%) cleave damage on it fine or not lol

[still hearth]

Maybe

You always want higher numbers

[viscid matrix]

tbh cleave doesnt matter too much, since its main goal is to heavy stab a carapace enemy

[unique mist]

lowest in every other stat is 78 so

[quartz eagle]

assail is just

[still hearth]

Ah yeah duelling sword

[wet belfry]

Its meh

[viscid matrix]

assail has too much ammo

[still hearth]

Cleave doesn't matter

[quartz eagle]

doesn't have ENOUGH

[still hearth]

Assail has too much*

[quartz eagle]

i never want to run out of those shards

[spice veldt]

cleave damage doesn't matter much on duelling swords especially since it's bugged to not affect Flak, so it only affects Unarmoured/Infested

[wet belfry]

You want high finesse, damage for breakpoints.

[unique mist]

my idea of nerfing assail is to make shards not recharge at high peril

[spice veldt]

yeah, Damage and Finesse are really the only stats that matter

[viscid matrix]

if you are running out of ammo, you are doing it wrong, if you throw out an assail it should hit a minimum of 3 targets per shard

[spice veldt]

of course, you'd preferably want the other 3 to be decently high, but they're whatevs

[quartz eagle]

i only run out of it in clutch moments

[still hearth]

Mobility prio

Go fast

[quartz eagle]

i usually do balance it at 2 or 3

[unique mist]

mine was 80 dmg 80 mob 79 finesse and 78 the other one with 57 cleave so i yoinked it

no idea how n when to use it but i definitely grabbed it

[viscid matrix]

the only time ive ever run out of assail shards was when i dumped 8 at a crusher to kill it 😄 and i was back to full within a minute

[plucky flax]

Mobility is really good on duelling sword.

Can nearly keep up with knife zealot.

[sonic gale]

Only lvl 25 atm, i upgraded to this to use for now

[viscid matrix]

try to get Uncanny strike, its BIS and best way to deal with crushers and maulers

[sonic gale]

Nice one 🙂

[viscid matrix]

thats just a build editor one

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[dense tapir]

Psyker is overtuned in general imo

[viscid matrix]

a little bit, but Ogryn have us beat

https://streamable.com/8m5o4g

they have so much fire speed that the animation breaks 😄

[spice veldt]

nah that's josho's internet at work

his internet is legitimately that bad

[lunar hollow]

i open psyker chat to SLANDER

[spice veldt]

wow josho comes running here after sniffing some slander about him

[lunar hollow]

but yeah that is a bug that has been around for a decent while with ripper

having high ping just kinda sometimes make ur ripper have a suppressor for some reason and also the ammo counter has a stroke

[cinder moon]

max dodge distance on dueling sword is wild. you can hurt yourself by slide dodging off of certain surfaces because you go so far

[strong pilot]

thats very nice

[cinder moon]

some missions the only health damage i take is from my dodge parkour

[errant eagle]

Hey folks. Quick question on Smite. I understand theres two modes. Continuous mode and a charge cast. How do I use the charge cast though? If I charge and release, nothing happens. If I charge and left click, it does continuous.

[queen fog]

Be careful not to repress the cast button or that’ll happen

[errant eagle]

When I charge and release though it doesn't do anything.

[queen fog]

In what way, like fundamentally, damaging, what?

[spice veldt]

there's two modes: LMB, and RMB -> LMB

[errant eagle]

I try charging RMB then clicking LMB. It doesn't seem to do much. Good stun, but damage? Basically non existent. So I assume I'm doing something wrong.

[spice veldt]

the description remarks on "high damage" but that's what we call an absolute lie

[errant eagle]

Ahhhhhh I see.

[queen fog]

Not at all just smite being smite

[spice veldt]

prob some oversight that led to smite being this way

we are on a somewhat early build and future updates are being delayed by xbox certifications, so it is what it is

[errant eagle]

Seems kinda pointless when compared to the surge force staff.

[charred shuttle]

My Psyker is starting to shape up

Managed to do cliffhanger with just 1 other person, we both got it within 10 seconds of each other lol

[spice veldt]

the main usage of smite is currently with the Empowered Psionics keystone, where there's a "fun" interaction (bug) where using the continuous mode with an EP charge generates no peril

so you can use smite for practically forever

[errant eagle]

Ahhh I see

I'm sure that will be patched out soon.

[hushed pike]

Random autogun in my store hmm..

I do like using guns on my psyker..

[mellow gorge]

Unlimited power is neat, but managing that skill and the peril with it is actually pretty fun

Target priority becomes pretty important

[errant eagle]

So far I prefer the assail skill.

[mellow gorge]

I think they all have a place

Even BB has some uses and I enjoy using it

Something I don't like is new surge staff

Something about the damage feels off

Maybe it just hasn't clicked yet

[lavish summit]

I love the new surge staff. It deletes specials and stuns what it doesn’t

[cinder moon]

think you need a goodly rolled surge staff for it to feel alright

otherwise the peril gen isn't commensurate with the damage output

i see some people using it and doing basically nothing

[mellow gorge]

In some cases it deals less damage than just using BB

Which hit me as odd

[cinder moon]

bb only exists to deal with certain specials, especially since fatshark removed the free warp charge when someone steals the BB target kill

i didn't mind too much before when people stole them but i feel more annoyed now than i did in beta/at launch

[mellow gorge]

I like having it do to the lack of vets killing ranged enemies these days

Especially snipers 100 meters away

[cinder moon]

oh yeah, i love BB for that

but mostly i just use it for WC/soulblaze build

previously with revolver, now with voidstrike

[mellow gorge]

I love the blaze nonsense

Pop a brain

30 things on fire

Vpidstrike into a mixed horde

[cinder moon]

voidstrike with full bb/soulblaze/wc build is amazing lol

[mellow gorge]

100 things on fire

[cinder moon]

everything is on fire

everything dies

CRK-CRK-CRK-BOOM

[mellow gorge]

Some fun things I've found is how useful it ends up being on vent purge and power outage

Just setting a room on fire for the teammates

It's always hard to get groups for those two

[cinder moon]

i usually just press QP

[mellow gorge]

Same, but sometimes I'll spot a mission variant I want to do

[cinder moon]

yeah

[mellow gorge]

Lights out, vent purge and hunting grounds are my favorites

After that probably poxwalker hordes and mutant hordes

[cinder moon]

hunting grounds kind of annoys me since you're almost required to have some sort dedicated CC, moreso than normal

mutie trains can be funny though as long as someone is capable of quickly handling them

[mellow gorge]

Been enjoying the dueling sword for that

[cinder moon]

hate qp'ing into hunting grounds with my laspistol/illisi/bubble loadout

[mellow gorge]

Poke em in the eye

[cinder moon]

oh yeah, i love my mkiv

[mellow gorge]

It's so satisfying to get a 1 poke or nearly 1 poke and side step to poke them in thr back

[cinder moon]

i love the people who look at you like ???? afterwards, too

[hushed pike]

This any good?

Sire melk got it rn

[mellow gorge]

Plus it 1 pokes bruisers, most realistic threat to a psyker after noodle arms hitting you mid sprint

I don't know anything on axes to answer that question, never use them.

[silent chasm]

Why does most of my hair disappear if I equip the psi-veil?

please tell me that's a bug because the back of my neck is painted black like a tattoo for a balding person

[mellow gorge]

Same reason veteran commisar outfit is sized for men only

Alot of hats eat hair for some reason

[cinder moon]

sooo

soulblaze procs dumdum

[fluid knot]

Its alright

Not worth the 2.7k i assume it costs tho

[silent chasm]

that's so annoying

[mellow gorge]

Yes

Some even eat eyebrows

[silent chasm]

all that guff to get the hat, gotta change me hair

[mellow gorge]

I use fancy feather hat

Bc it's neat

also I own a hat like that

[cinder moon]

hat gang

[silent chasm]

thankfully the psi-veil covers my 'brows. I can only see my my forehead eye and that doesn't have an eyebrow

[mellow gorge]

Fine feathered friends

[lyric burrow]

What's the mk4 dueling sword build now

Blessings/perks i mean

[charred shuttle]

That looks absolutely lovely

[dire moss]

Can anyone share bd？

[spice veldt]

Uncanny Strike + Riposte/Shred/Precognition (Riposte is what I personally prefer)
Carapace + Unyielding/Crit Chance/some other thing you want

you generally want Carapace to hit the two-shot BP on crushers with either a normal + crit weakspot, or with two precog-boosted weakspots

for the other perk, anything goes really but I run +Crit Chance (or +Unyielding if you want some consistent boss DPS)

[spice veldt]

people have posted their builds here https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1158835513789272126

[dire moss]

thank

[sharp lava]

Question, what blessings on a Duelling Sword-Bio Lightning-Revolver Psyker?

[solemn stone]

the eyebrows are still missing

[jade pollen]

Only relevant thing on the hotfix and Immediately elevated psyker to top tier

[mellow gorge]

[scarlet timber]

Guys

Unlike burn

Soulblaze is dogshit against bosses yeah ?

[silent chasm]

So, what's the best melee for the wizard brigade?

[scarlet timber]

I have feeling burn and bleed do way more unyielding damage

[silent chasm]

So far I've liked the Mk IV Catachan sword, and the Duelling sword

[mossy canopy]

Pimp hat gang representing

[spice veldt]

soulblaze ticks slower yeah; and iirc it does less damage per stack? The former is true but I don't know if the latter is true

[scarlet timber]

Bleed annihilates bosses on ogryn tbf

[mossy canopy]

I use either Illisi or Demios force swords but I'm sure it's probably not optimal

[scarlet timber]

I'm definitely sure unyielding enemies take more damage from bleed

[glass plume]

mk4 dueling sword is great. Lots of mobility, quick attacks, high damage heavy attack.

[scarlet timber]

God im fucking pissed still

[fluid terrace]

i think that osunds right

[scarlet timber]

I can't believe I didn't get 76%

[wooden flare]

Was there a hotfix today?

[spice veldt]

at least in the case of the Deimos, its role is superseded by the MK4 Duelling Sword currently

[scarlet timber]

On my purge staff burn

I don't even know

[silent chasm]

So MK IV for boss fighting, Dragon's IV for horde clearing.

[scarlet timber]

Okay guys

Do you use purge staff on ragers or other elites?

Is it worth doing so?

Or is it omly a horde weapon ?

[ornate hamlet]

probably voidstrike

[spice veldt]

yeah it's fine against them

if they're in a pack and whatnot

[ornate hamlet]

voidstrike and surge feel best with elites

[spice veldt]

if it's like 1-3, you can prob just burst them down with melee or something

[scarlet timber]

I think someone said to me once purge shines on a mix horde

[spice veldt]

but if it's a bunch of ragers and/or there's some other enemies around, then yeah feel free to burn em

use the purg in situations where you'd use the flamer

[mossy canopy]

Also shines for the more open area defenses and you can stagger + DOT all the enemies coming from different directions

[viral solstice]

just purg whenever u want

nobody can stop u

oh its not "hitting them" because its "out of range?"

how about i set u on fire u lil nerd

[mossy canopy]

Except a trapper. The trapper can stop you for a bit

[viral solstice]

[fluid terrace]

use what you want

[scarlet timber]

Btw

Quick question how long does it

For purge to reach max stack guys?

[wooden flare]

So apparently surge staff doesn’t stagger bosses

Now idk what to use for Boss CC

[cinder moon]

been trying to enjoy this laspistol build for my enforcer psyker

[viscid matrix]

just use MK IV duelling sword, and block any attack back at you

[wooden flare]

Not Force Sword?

[scarlet timber]

Why do people keep talking about mk iv man

Like mkv is not the highest single target one still

It just has less cleave than mkiv

[fluid knot]

Use Catachan Swords like a real chad 😄

[spice veldt]

wrong https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1160372487377404004/image.png?ex=65346c17&is=6521f717&hm=03734f42f3d0341db8c2e5fef79c37b49f50b5bde5977e22cc3dbccb417c3acc&

[naive imp]

I saw a psyker putting in work with the surge staff.

[scarlet timber]

Okay that shouldn't be the case then mkv was meant to be the best single target one wtf fatshark xD

[viscid matrix]

its a balanced staff that does its job well, Void just eclipses it cause its overtuned

[royal granite]

i decided to have a go at a purge+BB build and damn i am unimpressed

[cinder moon]

a goodly rolled surge staff will carry its weight, but it seems like it's easy to get a lemon and do almost nothing

[naive imp]

At first I was like “man they buffed smite damage!” Haha

[royal granite]

BB has the same issues it's always had, too slow to feel useful, hard to acquire priority targets in a horde

[wooden flare]

I swear there is nothing more horrifying than using Smite to stun 3 elites, a Mutant and a Trapper while pinging them and not seeing an ally come to the rescue

[spice veldt]

as far as I can tell, it's because the mk4 duelling sword was the only one that was buffed correctly

[cinder moon]

BB should really get elite/special priority now that you can't get warpcharges from BBing trash

[royal granite]

absolutely yeah

[cinder moon]

just wasted peril and time

[spice veldt]

the mk2's h1 is noticeable worse than the mk4's h1 despite both being the exact same attack

[royal granite]

there's literally no benefit to BBing trash mobs

[cinder moon]

only do it when i'm trying to get a special in a crowd lol

[wooden flare]

Which Psyker penance would y’all say is the hardest?

[royal granite]

and at the very least BB should deal damage while it's charging all the way up, the amount of times i target something, fill the gauge almost full, then have someone else just pop the special in the head makes me want to scream

just using BB is such a huge opportunity cost

[wooden flare]

I guess BB means Blue Balled now

[cinder moon]

if they didn't get rid of free WC when someone steals a 75% bb'd target

[mossy canopy]

If you have no friends, Maelus Monstrum or Pick 'n Mix

[wooden flare]

I have friends

So what have I got to work with in terms of being a pain in the ass

[royal granite]

it was like that before the skill tree patch as well tbf

i just thought they would have done something for it

[viscid matrix]

BR is still good for what it does
gotta spec into it, to make it good

[royal granite]

and to be clear, i tested this on high intensity damnation

[wooden flare]

I’m just nervous about trying the kill 4 elites in 12 seconds challenge

[mossy canopy]

Probably warp battery then since now you're forced to spend warp charges

[viscid matrix]

it can still 2shot crushers, 2 shot maulers, and 1shot most of everything else
only thing that it cant kill quickly is monstrocities

[wooden flare]

You are?

[viscid matrix]

at least its not 5 in 10 seconds anymore

[royal granite]

it feels like it deals better damage to monstrosities now

maybe i'm crazy

[royal granite]

look for 4 shotgunners

and hope nobody is running assail

[viscid matrix]

it does, but its still like 1k damage to a 30k hp target

[wooden flare]

So I can’t have max warp charges up for 300s in a row since I need to spend warp charges, does that mean it has to be 300 total in the mission?

[mossy canopy]

Aren't they consumed on any combat ability? Plus they only come from elites now so you can't bb trash to maintain

[silent chasm]

does the Voidstrike staff deal Soulblaze damage, or is that just a visual effect?

[viscid matrix]

dont use your ability

[spice veldt]

visual effect, unless you have the Blazing Spirit blessing

[wooden flare]

Oh yeah nvm

That’ll be annoying, but doable

[silent chasm]

is that a weapon blessing or a thing in th'tree?

[wooden flare]

Just run Assail and keep spamming it

[spice veldt]

weapon blessing

[wooden flare]

Should be cream gravy

[spice veldt]

+3 stacks of soulblaze applied to enemies on crit

[silent chasm]

aaah, nod

[wooden flare]

Do weapons have an innate crit chance in this game?

[royal granite]

yes

[wooden flare]

Or are there crit chance additives I’m not seeing

[royal granite]

different weapons have different innate crit

[wooden flare]

Wish it would tell me their crit chance

[royal granite]

laspistol is very high for example, i think someone said it was 15%

[naive sedge]

Edit: haha ignore me, listen to arco

[viscid matrix]

you get 9% crit chance from the tree if you take the 4% crit aura and the 5% down the bottom

and 20% from Scriers Gaze

[spice veldt]

it's usually the case that the weapon has 0% base crit, and the crit chance comes from your character

too bad that the information is not easily viewable

[wooden flare]

Ngl for my defense CC build idk if I’ll take a capstone

idk what the best path would be

[silent chasm]

Question: Does Warp Battery's "Max Charges" mean 6 if I have the perk for 6, or only 4?

[royal granite]

i feel like i got crits with weapons before the skill tree patch

like with most weapons

[silent chasm]

Because taking the increase to 6 seems a detriment if that be the case.

[wooden flare]

Well it does just say “max charges”

[mossy canopy]

It would mean 6 I believe

[spice veldt]

yeah, since your character has a crit chance attached to them

pre-patch, vet had 10% base crit chance and the others had 5% crit chance

[left cedar]

u have 5% default crit on char

[silent chasm]

with Fat Shark I feel the need to ask.

[royal granite]

ah

[spice veldt]

but I don't know if this is still true right now

[royal granite]

so functionally it's like if weapons had a base crit of 5%

hence the confusion i guess

[spice veldt]

ye

[silent chasm]

Especially since having bonus max stacks "count above" would Fucking Slap, 'ae?

[viscid matrix]

this is my main build, but i swap the aura and blitz depending on what is needed for the team

[royal granite]

squished tree

skll tre

[viscid matrix]

mod does it 😄

[wooden flare]

Mf put it in a compressor

[royal granite]

i know about the mod, but this is my first time seeing it lol

[viscid matrix]

i hate scrolling, and the prick who decided i have to scroll every time can go fuck off

[royal granite]

i'm not sure they did a good job with the skill tree honestly

like it's fine for now, but what if they want to expand the classes later?

do they bolt more skills onto the left or right?

that'll make it harder to travel across the skill tree for perks

[viscid matrix]

nah they will create entire new trees that you can swap to for different subclasses

[silent chasm]

squishy ickle babby twee

[royal granite]

but the current tree is effectively 3 subclasses

or

1.8 subclasses in vet's case

[silent chasm]

tbh yeah. it makes it visually clearer but with how bad the magnetism on console is this would be a n i g h t m a r e

[viscid matrix]

tbh if they add new subclasses, it will probably be 3 new ones with a completly seperate tree from the core tree

[royal granite]

(smoke does nothing, snipers shoot right through it, no knockback)

[viscid matrix]

true, but i can just mouse over 3 nodes at once and click 3 times to take all 3 😄

[viscid matrix]

if they allowed me to zoom out to see the entire tree at once i woulnt have to use a mod to shrink it

[silent chasm]

you took that tree and was like

https://tenor.com/view/squished-pop-crushed-hydraulic-press-gif-13645797

and I approve

[viscid matrix]

i shrunk it just enough so i could see the entire tree at once 😄

[royal granite]

velkom to teh hydraulick press shannel

[viscid matrix]

its at 40% btw

[royal granite]

i am not making fun of that man's accent i find it immensely charming

[crisp yacht]

Do auras stack? Say if 4 psykers joined and they all had 4% crit. Would we all get 12% crit in coherency?

[lyric burrow]

Ik they did pre patch

So i would think so but since theres so many now they might not

Could probably be tested somehow

Arco probably knows he knows everything

[crisp yacht]

Ok ty

[scarlet timber]

Seriously mkiv

[lyric burrow]

Id say yes

[scarlet timber]

Shouldn't be out damaging

[lyric burrow]

But dont quote me on it

[scarlet timber]

Mkv in single target

[lyric burrow]

Isnt mk4 meant to be the single target one

[scarlet timber]

No

It's meant to be the in between one

[lyric burrow]

Ah

[scarlet timber]

Mk ii is the horde clear

[spice veldt]

i'm not sure if they stack since i'm pretty sure they didn't pre-patch

[lyric burrow]

Thought that was mk2

[royal granite]

i feel like this patch needed more time in the oven

hope they didn't have to crunch to get it out

[lyric burrow]

I thought psykers CDR one did

[spice veldt]

well, we don't know the established roles

[scarlet timber]

Mk v is the single target and mkiv is the in between

I can say that cuz mkv doenst even cleave

Targets

[royal granite]

you know what does stack though? psyker knife aura

[scarlet timber]

As stat

[royal granite]

well less of an aura, more of a cloud

[spice veldt]

mk5 is probably the defensive variant that's good against non-armoured targets (but also uncanny strike)

it does have the h1 -> h2 -> l3 loop

[left mirage]

i cant pull out level 3 warp flurry because the game says i have it

but i also cant apply it as a blessing

[scarlet timber]

Yeah mkv will fix that

[left mirage]

bugged?

[royal granite]

make sure it's the same weapon model

[scarlet timber]

Before patch it was the most single target one though

[royal granite]

if it is, contact support i guess

[spice veldt]

if only because of bad balancing and the fact that we were basically stuck with the values that were set at launch

[left mirage]

wait wtf

so a warp flurry on surge only sticks to surge?

that's stupid

[royal granite]

yeah it is

[scarlet timber]

Thing is from what I seen im not even sure mkii

Is even that good at horde clear now

[royal granite]

i only used voidstrike before the skill tree update, so my purge blessings look like this

[scarlet timber]

Mkiv seems to be best at everything

[spice veldt]

the h2 has a nice damage distribution

the problem is that it has no cleave

[spice veldt]

yeah; my guess is that they didn't correctly buff the duelling swords

you'll notice that the mk2 has the same h1 as the mk4

but the mk2's h1 is notably worse

[scarlet timber]

Yeah

I'm gonna see if I can get hold of a playtester

[sharp lava]

Sorry to repeat but don't think i got an answer ever before? Also any advice on what build is best to farm ranged kills on weekly; assail or bio lightning?

[royal granite]

the mk4 outdamaging every other melee weapon on psyker right now?

[left mirage]

dumb as shit

[spice veldt]

we're also on an older build, so they've probably already sorted that out

[fluid knot]

Likely start of next week new patch drops, i believe it was only menna be a 2w gap

[scarlet timber]

Probably

[spice veldt]

it has the best single-target so far essentially and we're currently in the era of 1000 maulers/crushers which it deals with quite well

[fluid knot]

Melee only Scab is one of the best modifiers tbh

[spice veldt]

is very nice

too bad that specialized weapons like the trauma can strip away some of the difficulty

should nerf its infinite cleave/aoe

[royal granite]

psyker has too much stuff right now that makes the game frustrating to play for other classes

[mellow gorge]

There was a mael that was melee only and scab faction

[royal granite]

and all the stuff we have that doesn't do that is mid as hell

[mellow gorge]

It was just walls of ragers and crushers

[scarlet timber]

I really hope it gets addressed later

[fluid knot]

I mean.. a Vet does that just by running the Savenger talent

[scarlet timber]

I hope someone tells tinycrab he is probably tired of me tagging him

[spice veldt]

yeah and I also want that to be tuned down?

you always keep bringing these examples whenever I say something when I also want the example that you present to be nerfed

[fluid knot]

Its pretty over the top when factoring in Oggies single shot weapons for sure

[mellow gorge]

Half of the issues with staves is that they have infinite ammo and have to be balanced around guns that don't have infinite ammo

[spice veldt]

it's getting annoying after the nth time

[royal granite]

that's a whataboutism

[fluid knot]

I dont know what you do and dont have a problem with Arco. I dont live in your head pal

[royal granite]

it's annoying because it's a logical fallacy

[fluid knot]

Or maybe i do, in which case im flattered

[scarlet timber]

I be honest I think vets passive should be replaced with my own version of it survivalist should become sharpshooter aura which gives 15% weakspot damage

[royal granite]

not to sound like too much of a 🤓

[spice veldt]

hey, I just find it annoying that whenever I remark on potential nerfs to something, you like to draw attention to something else

[scarlet timber]

Or even 20% if it's too low

Me?

I never do that

[spice veldt]

oh not you

Dorfus

[royal granite]

also idk i think scavenger is cool

it's neat when someone can do something to break the rules

especially if it's a team benefit

[scarlet timber]

I know its just

[shell torrent]

Wish rupture didn't lock out mind in motion

[scarlet timber]

Outshines other auras

By a million mile

[spice veldt]

i think it being tied to vet in particular is one of the bigger issues

so it's basically have a vet or have nothing in melee maelstroms

[royal falcon]

hello siblings how’s it going

[radiant yew]

New psyker feels fun

[royal granite]

we are too strong

the warp HAS overtaken us

it is NOT a good pain

[scarlet timber]

Tbf

[fluid knot]

Because typically there are more than one factor that effects gameplay, shocker i know

[radiant yew]

I just picked up the game after class overhaul. I regenerate toughness when I generate peril, when I quell peril, when I have Telekine Shield up, when I'm near an ally in coherency, when an ally in coherency goes down-

[scarlet timber]

That mode is pretty fun 'xD

[radiant yew]

I set out to do magic but I just made a tougher zealot

[royal falcon]

All at the cost of your sanity

[royal granite]

every action regens toughness now lol

[spice veldt]

yeah and you also imply that I don't think that there's also other stuff that invalidates certain aspects of the difficulty?

[royal granite]

yeah?

[spice veldt]

just because I remark on the trauma in particular doesn't mean that I don't think other stuff isn't invalidating

[royal falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/transitions-kinemaster-black-guy-suit-tiktok-gif-25279479

[radiant yew]

It's okay as long as I got someone near me to pick me up after I brainblast a Thing Which Shall Not Be Named at 100%

[wooden flare]

A what?

[royal falcon]

daemonhost?

[radiant yew]

Chaos Spawn

[royal falcon]

oh

[wooden flare]

How is that a Thing Which Shall Not Be Named

[radiant yew]

I could feasibly solo a Daemonhost

[scarlet timber]

[mossy canopy]

You just named it

[radiant yew]

Maybe it's just a warhammer fantasy joke then

[royal granite]

not saying daemon spawn is an old 40k forum joke

[royal falcon]

All at the cost of-

[royal granite]

or warhammer in general

it's like candlejack if you're familiar with th-

[wooden flare]

My Psyker is based on a Voodoo god so I have no issues like that

Or loa not god

[royal falcon]

My psyker is based on dynamite

[radiant yew]

Force Sword instantly regenerates toughness when I hit the power button and gives me more toughness

I am a psychic knight

For the Lex Atoma

[wooden flare]

Oh cause the toughness when gaining peril?

[radiant yew]

And when quelling peril

[wooden flare]

Do you use Venting Shreik with that too?

[radiant yew]

And I have chance to quell peril on kill

[royal granite]

shame toughness doesn't do much in melee

[radiant yew]

Nah, Telekine Dome

[mossy canopy]

Eldrich Beserker if you use Scrier's Gaze

[fluid knot]

I didnt imply anything of the sort mate, thats all you

[wooden flare]

Good choice but I think Venting would be better for cycling the peril and CC in melee range

[radiant yew]

I got the whole squad perpetually regenerating toughness

[spice oar]

Well you oughta tell us what they do now

[royal granite]

i like the dome a lot more than shouty esp

[spice veldt]

you prefaced it with "I mean...", so that's what I took it as

[wooden flare]

Mfw Psyker’s literally have to blue ball themselves as to not cause a premature discharge

[steel flame]

Fixed an issue with keyboard button mapping in the End of Round screen which prevented users from proceeding

[spice veldt]

I can't read your mind so I take your words at face value

[steel flame]

THEY HEARD OUR CRIES OF DISMAY

[royal granite]

they did what?

when?

HOTFIX

[fluid knot]

Maybe dont read into things so much, I'm not trying to be a dick about it. Im just pointing out another thing that also nerfs that difficulty

[wooden flare]

My brother of the Emperor you’re in the Psyker channel, we all read minds

[royal granite]

HOTFIX HOTDROP

[fluid knot]

Its literally just crash fixes, nothing to be excited about sadly

[spice veldt]

I don't think I'm reading into it that much; just that I've never had "I mean..." used to me in an agreeing manner

[wooden flare]

Still some good fixes in there at the least

[radiant yew]

The gratification from edging the warp demons trying to claw their way out of my head is incredible

[royal granite]

well

[fluid knot]

We've literally agreed in the past about the infinite cleave stuff so i dont know why you'd expect that to have changed pal

[royal granite]

it's something

[steel flame]

oooo what are we arguing about today?

[spice veldt]

I unfortunately do not have a good memory

[wooden flare]

Hey that’s my line

[mellow gorge]

Demons are are busy eating Arco's memory

[royal granite]

adhd truly is the psyker's disease

[wooden flare]

You think Psykers get off to the cycle of edging on psychological destruction and quelling the inner voices?

[steel flame]

the second we arent managing 15 resource bars we go into i forgot everything mode

[radiant yew]

Call the black ships, someone on this world has an aderall prescription

[steel flame]

ah the joys of adhd

[wooden flare]

Is it bad I want a Plague Doctor outfit for Psykers?

[mossy canopy]

...Yknow, I never realized that. Maybe that's why I can't get into the other classes

[royal granite]

no that'd be dope

[steel flame]

school sucks with adhd, some classes are super easy, and some classes that should be super easy are almost failing cause

i cant be bothered to focus

dont miss school

[fluid knot]

Then best we chalk it up to a misunderstanding and move on aye

[royal granite]

yeah adhd is a misnomer, it's not a deficit of attention, it's just that all the attention is focused in one place and there's nothing left over for other things

[spice veldt]

sure

[radiant yew]

That'd be awesome. The krieg fit for psykers is as close as I think we have

[royal granite]

i don't like the krief outfits much

i get that the imperium is textually fascist as hell but that doesn't mean i want to look like a fascist

[wooden flare]

Bruh

Germany didn’t go fascist until WW2

The Krieg uniforms are based on German outfits in WW1

[royal granite]

yeah and fascists romanticize that look

[royal falcon]

I like the krieg psyker/zealot fits but stay away from the helmets

[wooden flare]

No?

That uniform was replaced come WW2 for something else

[ionic needle]

Anyone know why the most expensive psyker cosmetic set is 1.5 mil while the most expensive for the others is only 1?

[raw swift]

Cause it’s pysker

[ionic needle]

Oh okay that makes sense

[wooden flare]

Spark ‘eads are a lesser group

[royal granite]

yeah i know, germany in ww2 was too traumatized by actual ww1 to romanticize it, that doesn't mean other fascists didn't do the job later

[raw swift]

Yes

[royal granite]

anyway i've got things to do so i gotta bail on this talk

[raw swift]

Yes

[ionic needle]

We're literally structurally oppressed

[wooden flare]

Being a history buff myself, I get so annoyed when people don’t know history

[ionic needle]

Our clothes are even more expensive

[raw swift]

Capitalism

[wooden flare]

I bet Some of y’all don’t even know what the Battle of Castle Itter is

[raw swift]

I don’t

[ionic needle]

I don't and I don't give a shit

[royal falcon]

the battle of castle itter is a battle that took place at castle itter

[wooden flare]

Man it was cool battle

[raw swift]

This battle better

[radiant yew]

Krieg Greatcoat and a psykana collar goes hard tbh

[radiant yew]

Was that the one where the US Marine Corps and the Wehrmacht fought the SS in the closing days of the war

[wooden flare]

Yeah

And rescued a French uhhhhh

What sport did that guy play?

Tennis?

[radiant yew]

Yep

[crude cape]

So is the dueling sword considered as good/viable compared to illisi/deimos now?

[royal falcon]

seems darktide deleted my psyker loadouts
sighhhhhh

[wooden flare]

ah yes, the most valuable political prisoner, a Tennis athlete

[crude cape]

or does deimos poke still blow it out of the water

[ionic needle]

Same happened to me after the hotfix

[radiant yew]

Hey in that time of the war the Germans were just excited to have ANY prisoners

[ionic needle]

Don't forget to run the .bat file to make your mods work after the hotfix btw

[radiant yew]

Oh yeah I forgot darktide can be modded

First game to keep me entertained without mods since Stardew Valley

[lyric burrow]

Mods are nice but less neccasary now that you can pick perks

[idle bay]

Hotfix and nothing nerfed yet. Weird feeling.

[royal falcon]

👌

[spice veldt]

the mk4 in particular is the best, and it's better than the deimos #psyker-class message

[jaunty schooner]

I find the ds mk4 poke is more consistent than deimos

[mellow gorge]

Nerfing stuff takes time and testing

[radiant yew]

Same set!

[idle bay]

Not the psyker things -our nerfing was RELENTLESS back in the day 🙂 FS got lazy

[wooden flare]

Hotfixes aren’t balance patches, they’re meant to be to fix bugs and other smaller issues

[crude cape]

wow it actually is better than deimos now? damn, i have an ok one thats felt pretty good, but need to craft a better. I just wasn't sure if i was on copium trying to roll one instead of going back to my force sword.
it was fun when force swords were dominant but im glad they balanced it and more things are chooseable for psykers now

[spice veldt]

you don't have Unstable Power if you want a controllable, deterministic oneshot on mutants, but that's not a priority of mines esp if you're running Assail to clear out specials

and the mk4 DS's special is genuinely quite useful

[radiant yew]

Is Assail better than Brainburst for dropping specials

[spice veldt]

primarily because there's no DPS loss because the h1 has a fast followup from the special

[crude cape]

DS?
the special on the mk4 is a quick poke, when would you use this instead of a heavy atk?

[spice veldt]

and you can special out of your block

[charred shuttle]

Had a random but very cooperative team on Malice High Intensity Shock Troop Gauntlet, they'd let me "feed" on stray elites/specials inbetween heavy engagements to keep up my stacks. Sadly even in these conditions sometimes there were just no enemies for too long... Managed to beat my last record though. It was 291 seconds

[spice veldt]

for stagger

[crude cape]

ah its higher stagger

got it

[spice veldt]

basically for ragers

[analog solstice]

Praise the emperor the feather hat is no longer static

[mellow gorge]

The good fix

[charred shuttle]

Also spacebar to continue lmao

[radiant yew]

Damn you did everything in your power and still got robbed by the game

[crude cape]

Arco, can i ask what build you're rocking now? dunno if you could share your talents
have you been using the MK4 as your main melee?

I know you like the melee-focused psyker builds

or did

[mellow gorge]

I'm glad I did warp battery pre changes

[spice veldt]

ye, friendship ended with illisi now i'm best friends with mk4 DS

[mellow gorge]

It must be hell now

[lyric burrow]

Also can mk4 horde clear or should i bring purg/blazing trauma

[charred shuttle]

Nah, it's not. It's straight up impossible if the entire team isn't dedicated to carrying you and helping you keep the stacks up

[raw token]

youll have a way easier time doing this on t4 or potentially t5 if you have a good team

[crude cape]

lol im probably gonna end up in the same boat, loved dueling swords on launch but haven't used anything but illi and deimos since they released.
I played psyker first 2 days of patch 13 but got absorbed in my zealot and ogryn, so haven't touched it in a few days coming back now

[spice veldt]

not particularly; so yeah bring a hordeclear staff/assail

[lyric burrow]

Word

[crude cape]

Is trauma still warp flurry + shattering impact?

or is the blazing build more viable now on it? I never loved shattering impact on it, didn't feel like it actually helped much since it only helps teammates and im nuking them anyway

[wooden flare]

Assail seems like it would trivialize Warp Battery ngl

[charred shuttle]

The problem isn't the killing, the problem is not enough enemies

[wooden flare]

True

[charred shuttle]

I multikill Reapers rather easily

But all it takes is a few seconds of no enemies

And the timer resets

[spice veldt]

this is unironically my talent tree since I decided to go all into toughness (you probably don't want to run this but do what you will do) #1158835513789272126 message
I run Trauma (Focused Channeling + Rending Shockwave), Assail, and MK4 Duelling Sword (+Carapace, +Crit Chance; Uncanny Strike, Riposte)

[analog solstice]

what i find a bit annoying with the warp battery build is that using your ability spends all your warp stacks

[lyric burrow]

Blazing trauma is very good

[wooden flare]

well let’s do the math. You need 300 consecutive seconds, which is 5 minutes. And at max stacks it’ll last for 25 seconds

[charred shuttle]

Warp Battery should work the way Zealot's penance works. "Keep max stacks for 75% of the mission" or something like that

[wooden flare]

So if you say reset every 10-15 seconds, you’d need to reset like 12-18 times

[spice veldt]

rending shockwave did get a small buff because of how rending was changed to work; I personally use rending shockwave cuz i pull out my trauma for crusher/mauler/bulwark packs pretty much

[idle bay]

We had a Penance like that for keeping those stacks

[kind jay]

you need a map with long sections of constant enemies. hi int shock troop dreyko (maybe bump up to heresy for it) could work

[radiant yew]

Warp battery should be 50% stacks maybe

[analog solstice]

it would be better off without the spending stacks to reduce cooldown part

[lyric burrow]

How much toughness you get with this

Wrong message

[radiant yew]

Some of the penaces in this game are absolutely wild though

On Malice or Higher: Kill an absolutely unreasonable amount of disablers before they disable someone

[spice veldt]

You get 135 base with this, which translates into 225 max toughness with +66% on curios

[charred shuttle]

I'll try gathering people for it after work. Going with a "Can't get hit in melee" Veteran and a "less than 1 wound" Zealot would be convenient for all.

[radiant yew]

Like literally the only clue I have to a Trapper's existence is when someone hits the floor

[lyric burrow]

You can get that one pretty naturally

Took me like 5 games

[idle bay]

Well that's the thing it does not forces us to use our Class Ability to spend stacks . Optiong out to not to use class ability migth be a thing

[lyric burrow]

Damn thats like pre patch

[wooden flare]

I was doing the 1 wound Zealot challenge not in private games because that’s what I need to do for Martyrdom stacks

[crude cape]

+carapace makes sense, are you choosing crit over maniac or flak or just got stuck with it? this is mine, still need t4 rampage. I also have crit but + maniac actually on the 2nd

one thing im unsure of is, the special doesn't seem to do much more stagger than the heavy? Is it more about the speed of animations and being able to loop it? The heavy does more dmg and more stagger or the same on basically every target

[charred shuttle]

I used a tanky non-martyrdom build since they are now based off wounds missing instead of HP% missing

But we were like 1 minute late lol, took us 21 minutes to do the mission

The "stay below 1 wound" part was OK though, didn't really have many dangerous situations

[wooden flare]

It’s the time part that’s the issue

A good Zealot can stay at 1 hp the whole match easily

[spice veldt]

• +Crit Chance is mostly a personal preference of mines; you could go for whatever and +Maniac does help you reach that one-shot bp more easily, but I don't really consider specials to be threatening anymore and you can one-round mutants because the h1 chains into the h2 rather quickly, allowing you to headshot -> backstab the mutant while he runs past you
• i guess the stagger has stagger resistance ignore or something; it's able to inflict medium stagger to crushers (on a headshot), guardbreak bulwarks (on a headshot), and stagger ragers that are in the middle of their 4-hit combos

+Carapace is prob the only "mandatory" perk I'd say because it helps you reach a two-shot BP on crushers with either a crit blessing (Shred/Riposte) or with Precognition

and it means that you can consistently two-shot maulers with only uncanny strike stacks up

[royal falcon]

scryin' time

[naive sedge]

watching psykers with single target melee weapons get mobbed on the last phase of hte water purification mission is just sad

And yes, the chainsword might be getting slept on

[royal falcon]

also

uh

don't at least some single target melees have a shove+m1 that have some degree of multihit

[viscid matrix]

thats just a skill issue, generally you have either single target melee or ranged weapon, and the other is a horde weapon, or a blitz that covers either of those or long range
otherwise you gonna have a bad time

[royal granite]

people are definitely not sleeping on the chainsword right now, i see folks using it a lot

[naive sedge]

Looking at that chainsword, you could put Rampage over one of those cleave blessings

[spice veldt]

yeah the push-attack is usually a CC/cleaving attack

[naive sedge]

Rampage says it enhances damage, but apparnetly its lying and its enhancing Power instread, which is very cool.

[spice veldt]

same goes for the duelling swords though the push-attack is kind of peepee poopoo because it has the same damage distribution as the lights (except for one property that is ultimately kind of meaningless)

[jovial oak]

that penance was super easy pre update. Now you need to play a special infested mission and not have long elevator scenes

[royal falcon]

and this is where I'd put my Rampage

if I had any

[naive sedge]

Oh no!

[orchid nest]

you can probably also just bring a purg with the 10% chance of soulblaze kill and just camp the hordes at the end of mission extraction for the full duration

[late yew]

can assail crit?

[viscid matrix]

yes

[naive sedge]

gross

[charred shuttle]

Hm, would that really work?

[viscid matrix]

it doesnt have any passive crit chance, but you can get crit to make it better

[charred shuttle]

They keep on coming forever?

[orchid nest]

yeah

[viscid matrix]

make sure you ask your team if you can do it, before you attempt it

[naive sedge]

I'd rather just leave before someone crashes and makes it awkward

[charred shuttle]

Well, definitely sounds better than running like a madman praying that there isn't a long corridor with no enemies ahead

But yeah would need to do it privately or have a very agreeable team

[spice veldt]

prob queue up with other psykers who also want the warp battery penance

[charred shuttle]

Oh that makes sense lmao

[primal aurora]

Have Illisi sword became weaker somehow?

[royal falcon]

Imagine not queuing up with randoms for penance-hunting and then getting mad that they don’t know what you’re doing

[orchid nest]

some missions are probably better than others for it. like the repair mission where they jump down from the top right by the valkyrie

[lyric burrow]

Illisi is still very good

[fair zephyr]

Hi people

[lyric burrow]

Hi

[naive sedge]

One of illisi's blessings was nerfed somewhat, but the base illisi itself remains very good

[spice veldt]

and enemies getting buffed all around

[orchid nest]

you just see less illisi's around because less people need their melee for horde clear is all, still very good at what it does

[royal granite]

fuck my loadouts are gone

[primal aurora]

I don't say that it is bad, I just asked if it became weaker in last patch

[royal granite]

why are they like this

[orchid nest]

Just from the slaughterer blessing being nerfed for every weapon that has it then like senethro said

[naive sedge]

The illisi stays the king and only the worst deimos hipsters pretend otherwise

[spice veldt]

being able to stack +35% warp damage (Perfect Timing & Malefic Momentum) will probably help

[round charm]

this isnt one of the acceptable psyker guns, is it?

[silent chasm]

how long does a Warp Charge last? and can it be extended

[royal falcon]

25 seconds and if you keep proccing warp siphon then yes

[silent chasm]

okay, so just got to reapply

[late yew]

so it will crit with Scrier's gaze?

[silent chasm]

so I need 12 complete tickdowns of Warp Siphon for that penance.

[royal falcon]

it can crit with scriers, yes

[charred shuttle]

Yes, welcome to hell

[royal falcon]

you should probably also get in fire reborn or psychic vampire for better chances to keep it going

[spice veldt]

here's a simple example of the DS special; it's a neat little thing to have in certain situations like this https://streamable.com/1jtm0k

[orchid nest]

yeah it's pretty nice. reminds me of victors pistol shot

[spice veldt]

you can also meme on mutants by staggering them mid-charge with a special headshot

[silent chasm]

Yee, i have the latter. I got 245 last time, soooo clooose q.q

My team was even willing to stand around by the drop ship to get more kills, but they just stopped spawning after a while

And by “a while “I mean one wave of like, maybe 30 of them, all basic enemies

[modest sonnet]

anything i should reroll on this staff?

[late yew]

it seems Warp Siphon does not work with Scrier's Gaze?

[round charm]

surge

[orchid nest]

i've definitely had the end enemies come for a long ass time while I waited for my friend to join, I wonder if it is just different for each map

[round charm]

idk what youd swap out, but surge is good on void iirc with the capability of one shotting crushers on crit

[modest sonnet]

Surge force staff u mean?

[round charm]

nah, blessing. something like fires 2 projectiles on crit

[modest sonnet]

oh

[round charm]

so 2 full charged secondary shots

[modest sonnet]

gotchaa

[charred shuttle]

Yeah it's beautiful

[round charm]

rare as hell though being a one off level 4

[late yew]

i can't fuckn geti t

[raw token]

wth i loaded up the game and all my loadouts are gone??

gotta remake them

[modest sonnet]

and what kind of stuff do i want to look for on dueling swords?

just hit level 30 so finally taking a look at my gear, curios, etc.

[round charm]

oh dang, mine too

[orchid nest]

yeah the hotfix they released nuked the loadouts

[potent echo]

Uncanny / ____

Riposte is fine, shred is fine

[modest sonnet]

do i just yoink it off this one

[potent echo]

Precog is also fine

[raw token]

did they atleast do good fixes?

[orchid nest]

the only notable thing they fixed is space at the end screen

[spice veldt]

you'll also want the mk4 duelling sword in particular, since it's the only duelling sword that was correctly buffed

[raw token]

oh thats so worht it

[fair zephyr]

Are they gonna nerf the assail skill?

[late yew]

oh, all loadouts got wiped?

[potent echo]

Sure either is fine

[modest sonnet]

oooh gotcha

[crimson spear]

ai what is the best Assail build?

kinda tired of Smite

[potent echo]

Mk4 is preferred because it's heavy does more damage

But all duelly's are fine till you reach like min max territory

[round charm]

does assail crit, or just weakpoint?

[potent echo]

Both

[modest sonnet]

And for curios, I just want toughness?

as an assail build

[potent echo]

Err I run all toughness

[spice veldt]

taking at least one health curio is a decent idea so that you don't get two-shot by bursters should such a situation arise

[lyric burrow]

Toughness or health

[potent echo]

If you reach 160+ toughness you can tank 1 shotgunner blast point blank

[orchid nest]

yeah I also take 1 hp 2 toughness

[raw token]

even in min max territory theres an argument for mkv for survivability

[lyric burrow]

Stam isnt bad if you arent running deflection

[potent echo]

It's preference, game isnt near hard enough to require BiS for every slot

[woven pumice]

is shotgunner damage reduced too by -damage from gunners

[potent echo]

No

[late yew]

which is better?

Can change both perks on the second one

[orchid nest]

yeah it makes an ok difference but it isn't even that big of a deal compared to good play. hell I have a trio with all +dockets cause I nuked all of mine with the update

[charred shuttle]

What's the highest attainable item power rating btw?

[lyric burrow]

550

380 base

[charred shuttle]

Neat, thanks

[lyric burrow]

Right

[potent echo]

I'm not sure about breakpoints for new surge but....

You can try if you can one shot gunner elites in 1 full charge

That's a nice breakpoints to hit

[modest sonnet]

So what would I do here o:

[late yew]

that's pretty good

[potent echo]

This is very nice, change specialists to maniacs

[orchid nest]

maniac over specialist probably and precog is fine or whatever you prefer over precog

[potent echo]

Then go one shot some mutants

[modest sonnet]

you got it boss

[potent echo]

You probably need some uncanny stacks or some damage buff from somewhere (peril/destiny/warp siphon)

[charred shuttle]

One more question, does power here work same as vermintide? Like, equipping a better staff will automatically make me a bit more resistant to damage etc?

[potent echo]

No

[hardy citrus]

does this mean you have to solo a monstrosity with brain burst basically?

[late yew]

eh, it one-shots ragers aeither way

[potent echo]

"Power" still means damage, cleave and stagger though

[charred shuttle]

Just for that specific weapon or it affects "the whole character"?

[potent echo]

So +power is more valuable than +damage, similar to vt2

[orchid nest]

you're worried about mutants not ragers @late yew you can get mk4 to 1 shot territory with maniac and a good setup

[potent echo]

There's no character power level

But just some blessings like slaughterer and headtaker reference +power

[crude cape]

oh, this is juicy.
How exactly? why didn't they buff the others?

[spice veldt]

though, when comparing an 80% mob MK4 to an MK5, the difference between their dodge distances is only 0.2 meters (3.1 meter dodge with the MK4, and 3.3 meter dodge with the MK5)

[spice veldt]

who knows; prob just didn't make it in time or whatnot

[crude cape]

doing it out of block is cool. You may have been able to backdodge, h1 there too but it would abeen slower/riskier. Ok cool ty

[late yew]

Seems like Dueling sword is just superior to Deimos now?

[potent echo]

Yes/no

Until the day duelling can roll deflector

And have unlimited dodges

[orchid nest]

the heavies are. deimos still has its good push and extreme endless dodging

[summer prairie]

deimos has better blessings, DS is mostly only better for single target damage

[woven pumice]

also access to peril blessings

[raw token]

yeah true, its just that the defences stat decreases stamina consumption too

[hardy citrus]

does this mean you have to basically solo a boss with just brain burst?

[orchid nest]

deimos' special needs to be good vs bosses to cement its role imo. like thunder hammer except not nearly as much, can let zealots keep that one

[woven pumice]

yes

[potent echo]

Yes

[hardy citrus]

[potent echo]

But idk if it's bugged so don't try it

[charred shuttle]

Apparently daemonhosts work too @hardy citrus

[woven pumice]

doesn't sound that bad

[charred shuttle]

Might be faster

[woven pumice]

only what 20 brain bursts

[crude cape]

oh interesting on the crusher 2 hit breakpoint. I do like maniac bc poking 1 shotting mutants is remiscent of Deimos poke mutants and i loved that lol. I'll have to try carapace too.
I'm rocking rampage/Uncanny on mine - can that not 2 shot crushers? Is there a better combo using shred, reposte or precognition?

[woven pumice]

[carmine agate]

i like stabbing monstrosities with duelling sword when a zealot asks them to repent

[late yew]

well that's ab out only job deimos does as well?

[potent echo]

I rather take +unyielding for bosses

[late yew]

yes

I love dueling sword against bosses

[spice veldt]

i'd run shred/riposte/precog over rampage since you won't really be using it for horde, and crits/precog do push you into certain BPs

[late yew]

is BB really bad now?

[spice veldt]

I personally prefer Riposte over Shred/Precognition, and I'd only prefer Precognition if I'm going into a monstrosity maelstrom

[potent echo]

1 heavy from duel4 takes like less than a second

So I don't see too much value in the breakpoint

[royal falcon]

I should put more wounds on my psyker

[summer prairie]

Deimos still has great single target damage, and does some other things better than DS, the point being there are reasons to take it over DS

[potent echo]

Deimos has to do H2 to kill bruisers now though

[late yew]

What things?

[potent echo]

Feels awful

[orchid nest]

breakpoint value is going to depend on what content you do. 1 shotting mutants matters a lot more when you are playing mutant gauntlet on maelstrom and like 8 mutants are charging you

[spice veldt]

mutants during mutant waves have 40% hp

[crude cape]

i do like meleeing hordes sometimes tho, but probably shouldn't be with it good point.

[summer prairie]

infinite dodge and the dodge distance is so high you move faster dodging than sprinting, better horde clear with blessings and deflector obviously

[potent echo]

And psyker have more than enough options to deal with crushers

[orchid nest]

do they? guess I never noticed

[silent chasm]

What is the balance of Bonus Toughness to Wounds I should be taking on curios?

[potent echo]

Preference

[orchid nest]

I haven't used mk4 to be fair though I still 1 shot them with chainsword right now

[silent chasm]

Nod. because like... I like having Lots of Wounds, but 32 bonus toughness sounds tastee

[potent echo]

One interesting toughness breakpoint is taking a pointblank shotgunner shot

[silent chasm]

h-how much is that

[potent echo]

It's at around 164

[silent chasm]

it sounds like Many

that is Many.

[potent echo]

Yea you need to go all in toughness

[carmine agate]

i think im at 104 toughness

[potent echo]

Which isn't bad now since psyker has unlimited toughness regen

One thing to consider

Throw two assail you can get all your toughness back

[carmine agate]

do u go double toughness 1 wounds?

[potent echo]

All 3 toughness

[carmine agate]

hmm

im still farming with 10% ordo dockets..

[potent echo]

But it's preference, shotgunner breakpoint doesn't come up too often

And their shot usually have harsh falloff so you don't need 164

[carmine agate]

if so what perks u go for those

toughness regen?

[potent echo]

Revive speed

No toughness Regen never

[spice veldt]

Slaughterer is actually maintainable unlike Rampage on the duelling swords, but the DS lights did get buffed to be comparable to the FS lights against unarmoured/infested

[carmine agate]

ah

[spice veldt]

DS lights (80% cleave damage)

[potent echo]

It only affects passive coherency regen

[spice veldt]

FS lights

[potent echo]

All psyker toughness Regen come from their talents

[carmine agate]

oh wait?

[potent echo]

Yea lmao

[carmine agate]

man but i did it alrdy

wait i can modify still

[potent echo]

Just reroll

Revive speed saves games

[carmine agate]

just finding 17% toughness ones slowly

[orchid nest]

I dropped toughness regen with the patch yeah, managing toughness is just insanely easy now

[potent echo]

Psykers have it good

[carmine agate]

my 17% toughness has 0 good perks

[potent echo]

You can reroll 2 so it's fine

[carmine agate]

so its a rip im keeping that 8% docket bonus

[potent echo]

Why not

[halcyon creek]

In the gambling hall, the man who makes 8% extra dockets is king

[silent chasm]

what is the max amount of bonus toughness a curio can give?

[carmine agate]

17

then bonus u can add more i think

[silent chasm]

I thought the gold one I got with 16 was a lot, but I just saw a blue one with 15-- oh, so it's not a huge deal

[carmine agate]

i think its 17% for toughness 21% for hp

[potent echo]

Yeap

+3 for stamina

[drowsy slate]

Smite bug should never get fixed 🙈 or the smite damage needs to get up tremendously

[ionic sorrel]

What's the smite bug, infinite smite?

[drowsy slate]

Yes

[crude cape]

@spice veldt woah, i see what you mean by greeding for toughness in your build now. So you rock the shield wall, with NO augments? The augments are so good tho lol, I see what you mean now and no keystone either?!

[ionic sorrel]

Yeah, I really don't want to lose that.

[orchid nest]

between the peril generated, the empowered bug, the regular damage, and the single target damage thing not even working the thing needs an entire rework almost

[carmine agate]

i wish smite does more dmge if they fix the bug..

if not its painful staring at mobs that dont die

[naive imp]

who wants to and 30% for your team with emp psionics

[crude cape]

wow arco no keystone is WILD

im shooketh

[carmine agate]

keystone is the purple thing below?

[drowsy slate]

Yes

[potent echo]

Well there's that too

[spice veldt]

no one can take my toughness away from me

[ionic sorrel]

I've been void staffing with fire on crit. Just smite them and the fire helps take them out.

[carmine agate]

ive been trying to find the 2 hits on crit blessing for ages

no luck

[potent echo]

Sounds about right 💀

[ionic sorrel]

That would be nice.

[potent echo]

Update fun but crafting(!) still needs an overhaul

[carmine agate]

or pls gimme more plasteel

i waanna raid a map called plasteel factory

[potent echo]

2 damnation games for 1 random rolled orange weapon, perfect time investment

[crude cape]

i knew you were a toughness stan but thats a bit extreme hahaha

no keystone is nutty

you're good enough to pull it off im sure

but crazy

[spice veldt]

taking True Aim on the right branch is mandatory for me, and I didn't have enough points to go into Warp Siphon because I took the toughness feats up there

[potent echo]

It's fine because ||psyker is so overturned right now they even need keystones||

[round charm]

tbf assail doesnt really need it, assuming theyre running assail

[late yew]

everyone is overtuned now

[spice veldt]

and I figured that EP is not for my build since I'm not spamming Assail as much and DD is meh

[potent echo]

Vets rn

[crude cape]

what is it about true aim you think is mandatory/so good? just for assail?

[spice veldt]

WOOOO BABYYYYYYY GET SLAM DUNKEDDDD

[spice veldt]

p much

[orchid nest]

I don't feel like that is necessary at all to not take a keystone even on the hardest aurics/maelstroms toughness wise but the keystones certainly aren't so impactful that it's not a consideration

[crude cape]

ya, i could see it

[potent echo]

Playing vet and sweating the whole match and for what

[spice veldt]

i'm running Assail as a bit more of a quickswap weapon that i don't really run into the issue of running out of charges

[spice veldt]

what in the world

[late yew]

"sweating"

[pseudo oar]

Aka everyone is fun now

[late yew]

playing vet

choose 1

[viral solstice]

hes just a lil guy

[royal falcon]

new leagues of votann class ⁉️

[potent echo]

You played new vet yet

[primal rivet]

Planning to try a smite build, any suggestions for staffs and ults to compliment it?

[frail pewter]

Vet is as strong as before but everyone else is just a head taller.

[potent echo]

Not even close

[naive imp]

i'm starting a new psyker because i didn't like my name. wanna join?

[primal rivet]

Ah sorry, already got a full squad currenty, just curious whats the best suggested weaponry/ults for the Funny Lightning

[frail pewter]

It is. Vets are just handicapped by their stupid tree. Most of the talents on that tree are great.

[potent echo]

Where's unwavering focus though

[naive imp]

who wants to boost my psyker? xD

[round charm]

im gonna test homies build out and see how capstoneless feels

[silent chasm]

yo why did the fucking game eat my builds?????

[frail pewter]

Iron Will + Confirmed Kills + Close Quarter Drill will make you near unkillable vs ranged. You die to melee anyways even pre patch so...

[silent chasm]

what fun new bug is this

[orchid nest]

hotfix nuked them because fatshark

[silent chasm]

but... but there were there before and after I updated

[potent echo]

That's still not close to unwavering focus though

[frail pewter]

Well it's called "Fat"Shark for a reason

[silent chasm]

and they only left after I closed it to go take a bloody crap

[potent echo]

Pre-patch 3 gunners is no sweat

[orchid nest]

flushed the builds right down the toilet huh, rip

[potent echo]

Now it's abit sus

[frail pewter]

Idl what to tell you but with Shout Shield you actually can tank Buster or Sniper shot and don't even take health damage

[potent echo]

But shout shield means no exe stance

Also exe stance nerfed

[frail pewter]

Okay fair. Pure Exe stance is a weird side grade

[potent echo]

It's like opportunity costs (talent tax) exists

[frail pewter]

You do a lot more damage IF you can hit headshots.

[potent echo]

Vet has so much talent tax now that build diversity is a lie

[round charm]

trauma any good?

[frail pewter]

If you don't, it's a straight nerf.

[frail pewter]

I also agree here.

The stupid tree

Nerf the class

[potent echo]

No old stance also had 25% weakspot bonus, it was just not listed

It's just straight nerfed

[orchid nest]

the rating is a bit low but it's an ok start to a soulblaze trauma

[frail pewter]

The last keystone gives you 50% Power

Note it's power and not Weakspot damage

[potent echo]

Keystone, you have points to reach those?

Means no grenade talents

[frail pewter]

You also get +Base Damage on 2 previous nodes on the way there

[potent echo]

Hordes comes oh nooo poopy

[orchid nest]

or were you asking if trauma is any good in general?

[frail pewter]

I can get last upgrade with infinite nades and Confirmed Kills+Iron Will

You are locked to frag though

[potent echo]

Infinite nades means Regen 60s

But not the 5% talent right

[frail pewter]

Anyway, this is Psyker

[round charm]

both

[frail pewter]

Yeah

Not vet chat

[potent echo]

Yea so your team hates you now

[frail pewter]

It's bugged it doesn't regen for your team anyway

[orchid nest]

yeah trauma is good, still the best oh shit cc staff. versatile, can horde clear and nuke crowds of elites/stagger them and all that.

[frail pewter]

Why do people bail on Purg staff it seems?

[potent echo]

Vet is amazing rn

[knotty river]

Trauma kinda good, this Trauma trash due to low charge

[frail pewter]

Just bc Assail is better?

[potent echo]

Purg staff still has more theoretical power

Since technically it scales to infinity

[naive imp]

who wants to carry a lvl 1 in two missions so ican get assail and join the ranks? xD

[strange hearth]

I use assail for gunners and purge for hordes

[frail pewter]

I run Purg with BB Empowered Psyonic