psyker-class

[primal blade]

all i can say warp use sanctioned

[naive imp]

hey purgatus only needs to hit something for 42 seconds to do 750 damage

[fossil lagoon]

no sanctuary 💀 💀

[naive imp]

LOL

42 seconds

[teal needle]

Until they nerf it to not one shot crushers the only time it matters is v bosses anyways lol

[narrow crane]

💀

[naive imp]

HOW is purgatus this bad?>

it's a lvl 15 wep

[lethal lagoon]

Hmm, grabbing the top left extra toughness gen talent is probably better than soulfire.

[royal granite]

level 15...

[woven pumice]

just give purgatus the soulblaze blessings please

[viscid matrix]

its not terrible, but it didnt get buffed like the other 3 did

[woven pumice]

[royal granite]

it's because purgatus is a flamer with infinite ammo

[primal blade]

Probably

[naive imp]

it's 40 seconds to equal ONE voidstaff charge...

[royal granite]

so it can't be better than the flamer

[mild linden]

So what melee weapon do you guys recommend rn for Psyker? I've been using the Deimos force sword.

[viscid matrix]

dont compare anyhting to void
its way overtuned

[woven pumice]

purgatus with blaze + surge 😋 maybe one day

[narrow crane]

Tbh anything works, I love Dueling Swords for mobility but Illisi and Deimos are still top tier

[primal blade]

this one is my fav sword

[narrow crane]

boi

you BETTER not be lvl 30

[primal blade]

and my little baby voidstrike :p

[primal blade]

nope

[graceful grotto]

Dueling 4 feels really good but I still like my Deimos even though it may be worse on paper

[primal blade]

not level 30

[orchid nest]

purg is just different, it's hard to compare. if you go spawn like 50 ragers in the psykhanium purg will handle them all fine and timely too, void is going to have a rough time with that. the main problem is the hordes got smaller

[primal blade]

level 28 and have been playing on and off so didn't really grind much

[narrow crane]

earn the slaughter blessing please dont forget

[woven pumice]

if deimos warp attack stunned mutants

[burnt knot]

Choices, choices.

[teal needle]

I love dunking on purg as much as the next sibling but it does kill hordes, shooters, and even non carapace elites within about 2 seconds of hit-and-forget our 3 seconds of direct fire. It's just trauma, voidstrike, and assail all do it's job better and safer

[viscid matrix]

welll its not a MK IV so meh, go with Illisi until you get a MK IV

[primal blade]

Slaughterer + deflector is what i am aiming for

while my final voidstrike is probably gonna be
Surge + warp flurry

[narrow crane]

good

[viscid matrix]

go warp nexus intead of flurry

[narrow crane]

yeah warp nexus for sure

[lethal lagoon]

Game is too fast-paced post-patch for purge and BB, I miss BB, 😦

[frank moat]

Man I’m trying out the MK IV duelling sword and the lights just feel so weird

[graceful grotto]

with the increases to our toughness regain, Deflector feels like it really increases our survivability, I didn't like it as much before

[primal blade]

why warp nexus over flurry ?

[viscid matrix]

Nexus gives crit chance the higher your peril is

[narrow crane]

maximize crit chance is priority over everything

[primal blade]

ah fair fair

[naive imp]

so how much damage does brain burst do with empowered psionics?

[teal needle]

Crit chance raises your chance of one shotting stuff

[graceful grotto]

It doesn't synergize with the tree but I still love Trauma staff

[primal blade]

tbf i wanted flurry cuz i like spamming the right click

[lethal lagoon]

@naive imp Can't even one shot some human elites 😦

[narrow crane]

Don't tell anyone but it's actually goat'd

[vague sand]

aims for getting a warp nexus 4, get it's on first try. pog

[woven pumice]

about 1500 iirc

[primal blade]

voidstrike right click spam is just pure lag but also the sound of beuty

[viscid matrix]

having the right click crit more often is better

[primal blade]

fair fair

i can probably still spam it if i quell fast enough

[teal needle]

Empower bb one shots pretty much everything but maulers, muties, ogryn, and bosses

[primal blade]

which with battle meditation

should not be hard

[teal needle]

Empower bb trauma staff is still a nice auric maelstrom comfort build

[primal blade]

what would you guys say is the best way to get blessings ?

[lethal lagoon]

Empower bb is also slightly bugged. If only have 1 empowered stack it doesn't replace it if you use it to kill an elite.

[viscid matrix]

buy grey weapons, upgrade weapons to orange

[lethal lagoon]

Melks by far, but that's timed RNG.

Best shot for t4 blessings

[raw token]

and make sure the grey weapon is 360 power at least before you upgrade it

[narrow crane]

it's all luck, but you want to upgrade weapons with base stats of 360+ to orange

[viscid matrix]

the requisition gives white weapons

[primal blade]

alrite

[woven pumice]

where do you get all the plasteel 😭

[narrow crane]

you DONT

[teal needle]

Speedrun low intensity 5s

[lethal lagoon]

t5s, hope you have some ammo hungry boys searhing.

[viscid matrix]

grinding Aurics

[primal blade]

what Rating would you guys recommend on my final staff ? am guessing max

[narrow crane]

just keep playing and win matches. if you cant beat T5 consistently then just drop down the difficulty to where it's easy enough, then jump to T5 when ready

[teal needle]

What staff

[primal blade]

the voidstrike

[viscid matrix]

aim for 80 damage, warp resist, and charge minimum

[narrow crane]

for Voidstrike, max rating for everything is the hope, but realistically you want your warp resistance, quell speed, and charge rate to be your dump stats

[feral verge]

total weapon rating? doesnt matter all that much. ideally you want 360-380. you dont need a max rating weapon to succeed at all

[woven pumice]

I've not tried damnation yet, heresy already gets a bit dicey when there's monstrosity and mutants decide to join in

[viscid matrix]

quell speed is the dump stat, you want 80 for the rest for the best effect

[feral verge]

this is what a godroll voidstrike looks like

[viscid matrix]

80 in those first 4 and 60 in quell speed is the godroll

[narrow crane]

charge rate on Void is completely fine at 60, after that it has diminishing returns. the range for that stat is a difference of .3

[teal needle]

Charge rate is a dump stat, it's like 3/100s of a second between 60 and 80 on the stat. I'd take anything over that

[fossil lagoon]

only 374 💀 💀

scrap for 20k ordos

roll again

[plucky flax]

Not taking toughness on warp kills.

[glass plume]

Quell speed is quite significant, up to 20% real difference between 60-80 roll

[glass plume]

This is as close as I have to a godroll

[narrow crane]

rip that blast radius

that would annoy the shit outta me

[raw token]

this the true god roll

[graceful grotto]

is warp resistance actually worth it or just on Voidstrike?

[glass plume]

Just out of curiousity, what blast radius do you get at 80%?

[bright flame]

btw empowered psyonics is bugged

[woven pumice]

with smite it is

[frank moat]

Can’t believe none of y’all use the weapon renaming mod smh my head

[glass plume]

at 60% I get

[narrow crane]

this also effects the epicenter radius

[raw token]

3.60 and epicentre 1.33

[bright flame]

yea im going into negative peril its very odd

[woven pumice]

not seen that

[glass plume]

so for 80% you get 0.40 blast and 0.05 epicenter

vs 60%

[raw token]

what do you get at 80% charge rate?

[glass plume]

the difference is tiny I think

[primal blade]

my gurl for a psyker doesn't quite look like a crackhead not quite

[bright flame]

it seems to happen randomly i think its caused by venting shriek

[raw token]

mines 1.73

[glass plume]

oof

[viscid matrix]

how do you get the red eyes

[glass plume]

Yeh this 80% shit is so inconsisent yo lol

[primal blade]

Sienna stuff

not sure if its available still

[viscid matrix]

guess i missed that then

ill stick with the blue

[bright flame]

wait would bugged empowered smite with scriers gaze make you a god

[mellow gorge]

Pretty sure you just needed to own vermintide

[glass plume]

The difference in quell speed is HUGE tho, when I was making my staff I saw variations of 20% actual quell speed

[mellow gorge]

Then claim it

[narrow crane]

yeah the god of putting me the fuck to sleep

[naive imp]

what are you guys talking about bugged smite?

[viscid matrix]

it still generates peril with scriers, and smite does shit damage

[bright flame]

empowered psyonics makes smite free

[viscid matrix]

empowered has no peril cost, so you can channel forever

[naive imp]

seems good

[bright flame]

its actualy REALY annoying since i need peril to not die

[woven pumice]

no when scrier pushes you to 100% peril your smite ends

[glass plume]

Has anyone here got a void staff with 60% roll on quell speed (or close to)

[naive imp]

brain burst needs to do like 10x the damage it does

even then, a zealot swinging does more damage than your blitz

[languid osprey]

me

[narrow crane]

Empowered smite users have me on speed dial so they can wake me up from a nap after they clear a room of 2 ragers and a poxwalker

[glass plume]

When you inspect and mouseover quell speed, that +% quell speed you got on that

[naive imp]

i think charge speed is the most important tbh

[narrow crane]

mine is 73 and it's 1.68s

[bright flame]

wait people try to clear rooms with smite wtf its a supporting suppress ability

[narrow crane]

it is not

[glass plume]

Between 60% - 80% you gain 0.07 speed

[languid osprey]

i though quell speed is the dump stat

[slate sun]

Guys how does the game calculate toughness right now?
If you have:
from the build
+17% from a curio, that should be 1.17x145 ?

[slate sun]

it is

[languid osprey]

thank god

[bright flame]

the most important staff stat is fineese

[viscid matrix]

i think it has base, than increases from curio then adds the 45

[narrow crane]

Not really, but they like to just smite forever, and never actually follow up with any fucking damage

[graceful grotto]

Is blazing spirit trauma still good? Burning seems nerfed in general, I've never seen one to test it

[languid osprey]

i dont want to scrap this

[viscid matrix]

replace transfer with surge and you are set until you get a perfect one

[glass plume]

That's a nice staff - what +% quell speed do you get from that 52?

[bright flame]

oof if im ever perma smiting its to hold off a horde while the others focus bosses and elites

[raw token]

if you do earn the nexus blessing atleast

[narrow crane]

It's good but I always prefer Rending shockwave

[graceful grotto]

I have rending shockwave + warp flurry atm

[languid osprey]

im not really sure if its worth switching transfer for surge or switching the 2 perks

[slate sun]

that's odd ... it still doesn't add up. I've got a total of +44% from the curios, +45 flat from the build

[bright flame]

btw is there a list of high roll stats?

[narrow crane]

Surge isn't up for discussion right now, it's busted good

[slate sun]

and when I go in I have 157 O.o

[narrow crane]

it's better than everything else

[viscid matrix]

Surge gives double hit on crit, it cna 1shot crushers by crit headshot

[languid osprey]

and what perk should i leave?

infested?

[viscid matrix]

keep specialists

drop infested for carapace or flak

[slate sun]

I'd go for surge+nexus and +crit and +carapace/flak

[bright flame]

realy i thaught the void staff was the meta rn

[viscid matrix]

or unyielding if you want monstrocity damage

[narrow crane]

I would drop either and pick up flak

[languid osprey]

better than crit?

hm

k

[slate sun]

mine's like this, works wonders

[narrow crane]

Oh Im referring to the Surge Blessing

[viscid matrix]

nexus gives you 20

[narrow crane]

god forbid fatshark come up with different names

[narrow crane]

Yes sorry I'm talking about Surge blessing on Voidstrike being BIS

NOT Surge weapon lmao

[slate sun]

to be fair it usually gives you less than 20 until you're warmed up

[languid osprey]

k thx for the tips i really dont want to keep rolling void staffs hhah

[viscid matrix]

i sit between 80 and 100% for entire run, i edge my peril constantly 😄

[narrow crane]

you should be playing at high peril

[slate sun]

well sure, but the extra crit always helps

[languid osprey]

ill try both

the surge stuff seems to be the important part

[narrow crane]

it's negligble when considering the benefit of 25% flak damage

[woven pumice]

anyone know which parts of scriers gaze actually persist for the 10s after it ends

[narrow crane]

Psyker has a LOT of crit potential, to the point where extra crit modifier isn't worth it

[viscid matrix]

all of the bonuses do

[slate sun]

I usually don't hit that much flak with the voidstrike though, at least the way I use mine

usually opt for a better guarantee for a double ball 🙂

[narrow crane]

Are you playing T5+? Cus Flak is everywhere

[slate sun]

I am playing T5 and I still use voidstrike for horde clearance most of all

[narrow crane]

Up to you of course, but given how much crit chance Psyker already has, an extra 5% isn't much. I would even take Maniac damage over crit chance

[viscid matrix]

everything that has armour has flak except for Crushers

[slate sun]

but you have to hit it right?

[viscid matrix]

all the armoured gunners have flak

[narrow crane]

I mean yeah? But that's a non issue

[royal granite]

spent some time testing brain burst just now, it still feels like trash at damnation

[mild linden]

I do have some trouble with fighting the bosses as psyker

Not dealing enough damage to them

[graceful grotto]

Surge blessing on Voidstrike has a slight delay too, so if you're quick you can split the 2nd proc into a different enemy

[viscid matrix]

best psyker build for monstrocities is a Gunker, with scriers and DD using a Vraks or Kantreal

[full musk]

what base stats do you want or voidstrike?

[raw token]

i use empowered psionics with it and its nice to pull out for elite waves

[viscid matrix]

80 damage 80 warp resist

[mild linden]

Well overall I’m okay with my loadout though

Just trouble on that front

[slate sun]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z2pn4t/enemy_breed_armour_types_and_locational_damage/
What I'm on about is that there's not that much flak on the heads I'm hitting 🙂
So for me the extra 5% is more worth it, that's just how I see it

[full musk]

is there a dump stat?

[slate sun]

I've got flak on my illisi though, very happy about it

[narrow crane]

it's different on everything unfortunately, but on Void: Charge rate over 60 isn't all that valuable, and quell speed isn't necessary either.

[graceful grotto]

warp res/charge speed/quell based on preferences/playstyle, or 60+ each, for Void

[limber heath]

purg burn is different than soulblaze right

[viscid matrix]

quell speed if you edge your peril and tap it between secondaries

[viscid matrix]

its soulblaze

[narrow crane]

it's debatable about blast radius on Void, because it's really hard to test radius discrepancies when the epicenter is so small

[graceful grotto]

also sometimes you kinda have to take what you can get, if the rolls aren't perfect but it has stellar perks/blessings may just have to go w/it

[limber heath]

oh. cool

[vivid mica]

maybe i missed something, but can you still get the surge blessing on voidstrike staves? everyone's talking about it but i don't see it as an option and i have 7/7 on t3 blessings for voidstrike.

[raw token]

nah, thats for the weak

[narrow crane]

it's T4

[viscid matrix]

yes, its rare tho

[full musk]

took me days of rolling

[graceful grotto]

I am RNG challenged, so

[narrow crane]

it takes some people hundreds of hours to get T4 surge blessing, and it was my first T4 blessing lmao

[royal granite]

i am kinda done rolling for perks

[narrow crane]

you could say im BLESSED

[royal granite]

it's not fun, i aint doin it anymore

[viscid matrix]

rngesus favous you

[narrow crane]

not for my trauma staffs tho :[

RNG system + fatshark prob gonna nerf it anyway

[viscid matrix]

its random with weights towards shit blessings, what do you expect?

[slate sun]

Surge used to suck so badly .. I hope it lasts for at least a couple of months now

[graceful grotto]

yah I'm so paranoid super dumping into weapons or building test weapons

[viscid matrix]

based on what FS has done in the past, we have at least a few months before any balance changes

[lethal lagoon]

Surge is underpowered if anything, so I don't think you need to worry about that.

[slate sun]

They'll probably nerf assail quicker

but I'm ok with that 😄

[full musk]

it's great on melee only maelstroms

[slate sun]

I mean the blessing

[lethal lagoon]

Ahhh

Absolutely going to get nerfed into the ground

[viscid matrix]

x to doubt

[lethal lagoon]

Or maybe they'll just nerf Void and surge blessing will be fine

[graceful grotto]

I mean void badly needed a buff but this is a bit much

[slate sun]

you can't have one without the other, makes no sense 😄

[lethal lagoon]

What do you mean? If they nerf void then surge, which buffs void, might be balanced.

[slate sun]

the way I wanted voidstrike + surge to work is exactly how it is now

heck I even sent them a ticket

[narrow crane]

it's gotta be reigned in

not a lot, but def a little

[digital narwhal]

When Empowered Psionics' interaction with Smite is fixed, it better get a schmeaty damage buff in exchange.

[lethal lagoon]

I wish they wern't vacation fiends and could just try out incremental patchs, where like Void does like 5-10% less damage and see how that change works.

[slate sun]

Maybe they'll let it be like pinning fire

[viscid matrix]

that got shitcanned this patch

[naive imp]

what determines if assail crits?

like when it hits the head?

[raw token]

no its the shard itself

[viscid matrix]

there is a 5% base crit chance on the tree, and guarenteed crit after 5 weekpoints, only 2 that affect assail

[naive imp]

so hitting the head is just considered a "weak spot"

gotcha

[viscid matrix]

ohh yeh, the aura i dont use 😄

[naive imp]

yea that's pretty nutty

[viscid matrix]

if you go crit aura you cant take One with the Warp

[graceful grotto]

also we got huge toughness recovery buffs, so even if you do take dmg you can usually get it back quick

[shy fiber]

recommended perks?

Might run carapace actually

Or get rid of the crit chance perk

[ornate hamlet]

any suggestions?

[shy fiber]

thats hot wtf

[ornate hamlet]

(for veteran)

[proud hinge]

wrong chat

this is psyker chat

[ornate hamlet]

Really?

[proud hinge]

ya you should ask in #veteran-class for vet

[ornate hamlet]

I'm sure everyone in here has never leveled a veteran or has any insight to this weapon for a veteran given general theory in stat rolling.

I asked after no one responded in veteran

[full musk]

a freak is always a freak no matter the class the play

[proud hinge]

yeah i can agree with that

should i scrap this or is it redeemable

[ornate hamlet]

ranged weakspot is good

replace sustained for surge or increased crit measured by charge

swap ranged dmg elites for flak

[raw token]

id swap elites for crit chance personally

[ornate hamlet]

That also works.

[shy fiber]

Wtf what is the Deimos sword. Why can it two shot maulers 😭

What the fuck its so good

[proud hinge]

thanks guys, so
elite -> crit chance
sustained fire -> surge

is that right?

[shy fiber]

Is this what having a good melee feels like

[raw token]

yh

[proud hinge]

tysm ❤️

[split elm]

My axe that ignores mass still feels pretty good in melee

Just whop whops through hordes

[plucky flax]

Axe on psyker?

[split elm]

Its stats are awful but it doesn’t really matter

[plucky flax]

[split elm]

Antax mk V

[raw token]

isnt penetration really important on this?

[proud hinge]

im assuming left is better than right now?

[raw token]

yes

[ornate hamlet]

Yes, but this is the best I've received so far.

[raw token]

if you put t4 warp nexus on the right it could be close, but stats are better

[ornate hamlet]

So now it looks like this:

[proud hinge]

gotcha

[plucky flax]

Someone said charge rate doesn't matter apparently.

So right one is better with bigger blast radius.

[proud hinge]

interesting... not too sure what to go with

[plucky flax]

Mine is not that good.

[raw token]

no because right has bad warp resist

[raw token]

warp resist is very important go left

[plucky flax]

I dunno I quell so fast tho.

[raw token]

it is fast quell but being able to just shoot forever is so nice in practice

[viscid matrix]

quell speed doesnt matter if you only tap it between secondaries

[plucky flax]

Tbh I only use assail.

Voidstrike is used 5% of the map.

[raw token]

how good is bloodletter

[raw token]

with my void assail build i use mainly void

[plucky flax]

That's interesting. I use assail 90%, duelling sword 5% and voidstrike 5%.

Played scab only modifier with assail spamming.

[raw token]

more like 40 40 then 20% assail for me

[olive ember]

No stop assail is balanced

Stop talking

[plucky flax]

757k damage in 32 mins auric maelstrom only top 1% psyker can do this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv82gJBhZyo

[plucky flax]

When both assail and void are nerfed I can go back to blaze trauma.

[proud hinge]

what is "the" voidstrike build

[olive ember]

Nexus + surge

[proud hinge]

i meant talent tree

[olive ember]

Huh what a coincidence so am I

[limber heath]

what am i looking for on this thingy

[plucky flax]

Don't you only play surge? Don't touch my blaze trauma with thy filthy hands.

[proud hinge]

do you go DD on voidstrike or warp?

[naive imp]

you guys play anything but assail?

[unique mist]

I think its just assail

[olive ember]

Tf I played every staff but voidstrike

And now I have every staff

I didn’t use wildfire

[plucky flax]

I use empowered blitz until they fix dd.

[olive ember]

Because filthy fucking wildfire

[plucky flax]

This patch wildfire is op.

[unique mist]

how so

[plucky flax]

Because so many burn talents.

Wildfire will just proc.

And trauma has increase radius.

[proud hinge]

would you be kind enough to share your build

talent tree

[unique mist]

Yeah but you have to sacrifice assail to get wildfire lol

[full musk]

i can show you mine but it's geared more towards assail

[limber heath]

i assume i want blazing spirit on this or nah?

[proud hinge]

that would be helpful! thanks

[plucky flax]

I don't use assail with my blaze trauma build.

BB baby.

Or BR now.

[olive ember]

Isn’t BB rly weak

Like it can’t even kill shotgunner

[full musk]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a537fe4-8f73-4283-beb0-6262cff7b62a/vsassail-add-clear?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[unique mist]

I think flak and carapace, warp flurry and up to you for second blessing. But I'm still learning so idk

[plucky flax]

Of course it can.

[olive ember]

Fatshark pls buff

[plucky flax]

You tripping? D:

[proud hinge]

ty!

[olive ember]

Idk I’m pretty sure I saw a clip of BB not killing a shotgunner

[plucky flax]

Just went i na game. I'll test in meatgrinder after.

[limber heath]

maybe this is base bb not rupture

[unique mist]

Pretty sure BR can kill a carapace ogryn lol

[limber heath]

not in one unless maybe empowered get sthere

[full musk]

oh grab perilous combustion instead of battle mediation and an extra 15 toughness node instead of endurance on scriers gaze, forgot i changed it since then

[unique mist]

Whats the scriers gaze play?

[olive ember]

Vraks 3

[proud hinge]

gotcha! thank you so much!

[silent forge]

like a build around scriers?

[near wyvern]

BB, sure, BR impossible to not one shot a shotgunner

[olive ember]

Maybe that’s it then

[near wyvern]

You have two ways around it. Either a crit gun build or transfer peril surge void.

Don't bother with melee gaze builds, not gonna work that well.

[worldly chasm]

Casual surge enjoyer

[olive ember]

Surge staff needs buffs

Sayin it here

[worldly chasm]

I think its perfectly balanced

[raw token]

it feels really good to use imo

[olive ember]

Surge staff isn’t good by any definition except ease of use

[worldly chasm]

It's a crazy elite/special slayer, with the right build, if you blow up using it, then the problem is you 😄

[near wyvern]

@olive ember you sure it was not a gunner cause BR can't one shot Dreg Gunners without additional buffs

[graceful grotto]

What blessings/perks do you recommend? I haven't tried it out yet since the patch

[raw token]

its not crazy but i feel it does fill that role decently

[worldly chasm]

Same as before patch, hasn't changed

[olive ember]

Maybe that Idr too much I just remember a clip when the update came out

[near wyvern]

Also fatshark fucked up kinetic presence, doesn't give the +10% against specials, which means you can't one shot flamers with BR at zero peril

[narrow crane]

I think Surge just needs a little rework to be more appetizing. Right now it's like, if I want lightning I'm gonna take smite for cc, and then lightning again for elites/specials?

feels weird

[olive ember]

Surge needs it’s damage doubled

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[narrow crane]

definitely not

that

[worldly chasm]

Surge is a lightning sniper

[olive ember]

Definitely that

Surge takes 4 charges and 90% peril to kill singular crusher

[worldly chasm]

I can't tell if you're trolling lol

[olive ember]

Literally might as well take a revolver

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[viscid matrix]

Surge is very good at killing a target right now, just not Void good

[olive ember]

I mean sure you can have brain dead teammates who can’t even hit 100 score and then have to surge everything to deaths and have top damage

[silent forge]

i just like how good surge feels regardless of its meh breakpoints

[narrow crane]

can you show me the precise build you're using in this use case

[olive ember]

But you can also do that with literally any other staff

[full musk]

if it takes you 4 shots to kill a crusher with surge you're using it wrong

[olive ember]

Not home but I doubt the build will change much

[near wyvern]

Nah, mine takes 3

[olive ember]

Still dogshit

[narrow crane]

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[near wyvern]

Just make sure you have a good damage roll and that warp damage bonus at 5 stacks

And warp rider obviously

[raw token]

no surge is definitely the best at single target focus other than void which is just void

[near wyvern]

And that warp damage bonus can by the way be stacked with LMB quell spam to wall/air

[silent forge]

6 warp charges will also hit silly breakpoints

[olive ember]

It’s competition is a flamethrower and the trauma that’s not…

[kind jay]

warp charge surge is amazing rn

[raw token]

trauma is extremely good

[worldly chasm]

Warp charge surge is where it's at, the weapon shines with the damage bonus and peril reduction

[olive ember]

Not single target

Warp charge surge except you are forced to expend charges whenever you use an ability

[raw token]

yeah thats my point, its a single target focus staff and its the best one capable of it

[olive ember]

I’d say surge is good if it 2 shot crushers by default but eh

[worldly chasm]

Don't use the ability? 😄

[kind jay]

you'll get them back so fast it doesn't matter

[narrow crane]

anything in the epicenter of a trauma blast is high single target damage with insane cleave

[silent forge]

being able to one tap flamers in a pinch is such a good thing to have (surge 6 charges)

[narrow crane]

nothing should two shot crushers tbh

[raw token]

thats not even 6 charges thats just base

[silent forge]

isnt that on a crit?

[kind jay]

it's so snappy now too

[raw token]

depends which flamer

[olive ember]

Revolver, the entire kit of zealot, BB with the right build, vets

Sorry vets just one shot crushers if they build the helbores correctly

[silent forge]

im talking scab flamers

[olive ember]

Recons delete a crusher in the time it takes the surge to charge up once

Surge is not good

You can think it is

It really isn’t

[narrow crane]

It is

you can think it's not

but it is

[olive ember]

But it isn’t lol

[narrow crane]

but it is

lol

[scarlet timber]

OKAY

sooo

hooow

[silent forge]

if we are looking at surge as opposed to before then i'd say its quite alright

[olive ember]

I’d prefer surge before

On demand cc for like 10% peril

New surge is just shorter ranged BB

[raw token]

i think the main reason i like it so much is cos i play duelling sword, and its very nic to be able to quickly shut down whatever target i want with a very quick charge then go straight back to duelling sword, thats where the power of surge really is to me

[olive ember]

But it takes up a staff slot

[kind jay]

it still has cc, except it also outright kills now

[olive ember]

2 enemies

[lethal folio]

Prepatch surge killed.

[olive ember]

3 if you take the smite node

Doesn’t mean much when the game goes oops 10 crushers

[kind jay]

it does

[raw token]

that doesnt matter its genuinely just because the time efficiency of it is so high

[worldly chasm]

So just did some testing, with 6 warp charges, and carapace damage on staff, while high peril, you can 2 shot a crusher with 2 crits (and crits are not hard to come by with surge)

[kind jay]

warp charge surge literally manhandles armor patrols

it's not even difficult

you don't even have to aim

[olive ember]

surge should be 2 shotting by default

Otherwise it’s meh

[silent forge]

i see where ur coming from slurpee. when 10 crushers are ice skating towards you with an overhead there is no time to apply good dps and cc with a surge

[olive ember]

That’s all I’m gonna say

[neat summit]

Haha my favorite

[raw token]

surge is not single target super fast kill, its single target shut down

with damage

[neat summit]

I’m a Deimos Purg BB Shield guy. A room full of crushers is not the ideal matchup.

[narrow crane]

default two shotting without upgrades is a delusional take

[olive ember]

You clearly haven’t seen what literally every other class can do then

[narrow crane]

yeah and they should reigned in accordingly

[olive ember]

Lmao

[raw token]

it would be one shotting with crits which are incredibly common on it

[lethal folio]

Surge does less damage than it did before.

[raw token]

baitinh

[narrow crane]

you equating surge staff capabilities with "revolver, zealot builds" vaguely is just a piss poor argument lmao

ignoring all other contributing features of those weapons

[worldly chasm]

I'm convinced surge haters at just rage baiting lol, delusional if you think it's a bad weapon or needs a buff

[viscid matrix]

Surge staff is a balanced weapon

[olive ember]

Revolver, zealot builds, ogryn gun builds, any decent vet build

[raw token]

bro just keeps listing other random builds

[olive ember]

Meanwhile psykers single target weapon is “you get to spend half your peril to kill one enemy”

Lmao

[worldly chasm]

You know you can purge your peril, you hold r, it goes away

You don't gotta wait for it to go

[raw token]

if youre spamming a single target over and over with surge that tells me enough to know you dont really know how to use it anyway

[olive ember]

Oh boy I don’t know how to use surge

Now that’s rich

[raw token]

its just not about the damage

[hushed glade]

First step is admitting a problem

[olive ember]

Well wte shits doomed anyways

[worldly chasm]

With what you've said, you not only not know how to use surge, you got no idea how to play psyker

[olive ember]

Everyone loves the new surge which is mid at best so it will stay mid

Just like old surge

sigh

[silent forge]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-griffin-family-guy-falling-down-stairs-gif-22788721

[hushed glade]

balanced then balanced now

[olive ember]

Anyways ima go back to doing something productive

[raw token]

its balanced

[olive ember]

Balanced then lmao it was the third weakest staff

[raw token]

out of 4 thats the middle 50%

[olive ember]

I had to convince people voidstrike was worse than it

That’s how bad it was

[hushed glade]

That's the 3rd time you've said that the time I've lurked here today, see you in 15 min

[olive ember]

Pretty sure it isn’t but alright

[scarlet stone]

do assail blitz kills count as ranged?

[hushed glade]

Because it wasn't

[olive ember]

Lmao alright now I know the knowledge base of the people I’m talking to

[raw token]

name checks out

[hushed glade]

Good ol' projection

[cold oasis]

best heavy sword?

whoops xd

[silent forge]

mk 9

[proven kettle]

can i ask doofy questions in here

[olive ember]

@spice veldt @near wyvern heard it here first

[raw token]

yes

[proven kettle]

cause i have a quemstion but idk if im allowed to convene with the elders for it

okok

[olive ember]

Voidstrike was not the worst staff lmao

[proven kettle]

can soulblaze crit?

[lethal folio]

Surge lost the second target damage and bonus armour mods, it handles armour patrols far worse now,.

[olive ember]

Don’t worry most of these people are new and don’t have a clue what they are talking about

[spiral lion]

is there a gallery for game cosmetics? (weapons and outfits i mean)

[proven kettle]

cause i remember looking at a video and seeing the guy spec into crits for a soulblaze staff

(and then spec into assail anyway)

[thin finch]

Surge main quality is it's CC
waah waah not enough damage
You don't know how to use surge staff

[hushed glade]

Ok Gatekeeper

[olive ember]

Lmao give me a break

[olive ember]

as I said you are free to keep your opinions ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plucky flax]

Voidstrike was worst.

[lyric burrow]

welp cant play darktide ever again

[thin finch]

Expecting it to deal more single damage than the voidstrike ,the thing made for single damage is even more ludicrous

[olive ember]

Nono don’t say that

These guys know better

[proven kettle]

i came in at a bad time to ask questions i realize-

[silent forge]

war rages

[worldly chasm]

Yes the dot can crit

[idle bay]

I'm really close to 777.7 mark

[proven kettle]

oh thank u that crit speccing makes so much more sense now

[olive ember]

Voidstrike made for single target

Now I’ve heard it all

Holy shit

[raw token]

yeah voidstrike was definitely worse back then imo

as in

the worst staff

but i never used trauma back then, assuming it was good

[lyric burrow]

trauma was the best staff pre patch

[lethal folio]

Trauma still does the job of stopping anything that wants to get near you.

[lyric burrow]

arguably/imo

[lethal folio]

Now it just handles specials and elites a little better.

[olive ember]

Trauma was meta and also completely made old surge kinda pointless

[thin finch]

You clearly did not if you just discovered you are supposed to hit head with void staff .which can one shot a crusher on damnation currently btw

[idle bay]

I loved the old surge staff... it was ok.

[lyric burrow]

it was very ok

[olive ember]

The overtuned as shit staff can one shot yes. It was never meant to be single target

[lyric burrow]

def needed to be reworked with smites existence though

[thin finch]

Never used trauma ,never liked it

[olive ember]

Or if it was fatshark managed to fuck it up so bad everyone only used it for horde clear for close to a year

But yes voidstrike is single target rn yes, historically and also most likely in the future no lmao

[lyric burrow]

wait what

[olive ember]

If it was single target why the fuck would it delete hordes

[lyric burrow]

pre patch voidstrike took like 10 shots to kill a trapper

[olive ember]

If you do a crit build with voidstrike it can one shot crushers

Overtuned rn and expect nerfs

[lyric burrow]

oh yeah im arguing that pre patch void was not single target

[olive ember]

They basically buffed voidstrike across the board cuz it was the weakest

[polar turtle]

made a cc smite build

[raw token]

yh ofc it wasnt

[austere burrow]

which is less useless between groaner damage and unarmoured damage

[polar turtle]

ngl smites amazin

[lyric burrow]

groaner

[polar turtle]

rest are mid

[thin finch]

It worked well by spamming void bomb before
Maybe my memory is hazy

[austere burrow]

is that 8% multiplicative or something

rn i'm planning to swap unarmoured for maniac and riposte for rending

[fluid knot]

It was never about killing specialists before an tbh i dont think it should be now, particularly given thats the Surge niche

[lyric burrow]

yeah i agree

idk why they didnt just make the cleave limit higher and call it a day

[harsh urchin]

well when you have a weapon that doesn't kill stuff

[fluid knot]

It shouldnt be awful at it dont get me wrong, but it shouldnt be a fucking improved, infinite ammo plasmagun, thats for fucking sure

[harsh urchin]

in a game about killing stuff lul

[fluid knot]

It killed stuff fine, people were just moronic about useage

[lyric burrow]

well

killed what it was supposed to

[harsh urchin]

it was pretty dogshit before

are you really gonna argue that it wasnt

[lyric burrow]

it wasnt good i just think they way overdid it esp if they wanted to make surge what it is

[scarlet timber]

@olive ember I THINK HADRON WANTS TO MARRY ME

[fluid knot]

It had cool tech that aided it massively, it put out DoTs faster than Trauma with Blazing, it could delete hordes before they even became much of a problem.. the only issue with it was it wasnt a specialist killer, but we had BB for that. I agree with Derpy TBH, all it needed was a bit more cleave

[scarlet timber]

WTF IS THIS STAT ON THIS??

[olive ember]

Wat you get

[scarlet timber]

HOLY SHIIT

[olive ember]

Oof base stats are rip tho

[lyric burrow]

71% burn is unfort

everything else is good

[olive ember]

But yeah those blessings and perks are god tier

If only it was 76+ burn that would be basically the perfect purge

[scarlet timber]

waht does 76 do?

stacks?

[olive ember]

Max stacks which is ~10% damage? Iirc

Or was that for the flamer

But yeah

[analog solstice]

Is there a way to stun mutants in one attack with the surge staff with a godrolled staff?

[raw token]

seems a bit random atm

[lyric burrow]

dont think you can anymore but i could be wrong

[scarlet timber]

wait so max stack i get for soul blaze increases

[raw token]

i sometimes can, seems unintended that its only sometimes

[analog solstice]

I played a few, two attacks is a stun now

[worldly chasm]

Two quick charges and its stunned

[olive ember]

It depends on the burn stat yes. The breakpoint is 76 burn

You could prob check in the detailed stats

[scarlet timber]

oh goddamit 🙂

[analog solstice]

Okay, was just wondering if there was a breakpoint i could hit so i could stun in one attack

[plucky token]

BURN THEM ALL

[lyric burrow]

71 isnt bad but you are aiming for 76 yeah

itll be fine till you get a 76 though

[olive ember]

^^

[plucky token]

Did a Heresy game and I saved us with the infinite Smite bug. We would have died if not for me stunning the nonstop mutants and dogs running at us while my teammates picked each other up.

Should I feel guilty about this?

[lyric burrow]

eh enjoy the game how you want

[empty shuttle]

most recent yondu game

[lyric burrow]

i dont like using a lot of the op stuff in this patch but its w/e if thats how you wanna play

[spice veldt]

if ya gotta win ya gotta win

some people do the reconnect bug

[steel flame]

Enjoy it while it lasts

[spice veldt]

i don't do it myself but I don't mind it if other people do

[empty shuttle]

will they nerf yondu?

[steel flame]

Shrug

[plucky token]

probably

[lyric burrow]

hopefully

but unsure

[spice veldt]

no this seems totally balanced

[worldly chasm]

I hope it just becomes a more focused horde clearer, rather than, whatever - carapace is dead

[empty shuttle]

IDK about that

[plucky token]

HOW they will Nerf the Crystals/Yondu is really the question,

[spice veldt]

well, it won't kill carapace unless you take advantage of blessings on other weapons

[lyric burrow]

less ammo and ammo regen

[spice veldt]

nerfing its ammo regen and max ammo is a start

[plucky token]

I hope they don't touch the damage, just reduce the Crystal Regen speed.

[lyric burrow]

probably tone down EP as well

[plucky token]

It should be used Occasionally, not as a Primary Weapon like it is now.

[olive ember]

But empowered is fun smh

[plucky token]

Empowered makes it so you can use it more often with increased damage and no peril. Honestly EP for Assail I think is fine. It's the base Regen speed being so high along with the perk to make it even higher is the issue.

[frank moat]

Unrelated to Assail but I hate how much weighting the scoreboard gives to using medkits and ammo crates

[plucky token]

Right now you get 1 Crystal every 1 second with the perk. I argue it should be 1 Crystal every...hmmm...3-4 Seconds with the perk? 5 without it would be balanced.

It also make EP alot more valuable to take.

[empty shuttle]

pubs would never use the ammo/health boxes if I dont grab them

[astral citrus]

how to git gud on psyker thenks

[plucky token]

since you get three free charges

[plucky token]

Use Assail.

[astral citrus]

want to git gud at using voidstrike but it feels clunky

saem with palpatine

[lyric burrow]

just worry about damage done tbh thats how you know if your build is working

[frank moat]

That also drives me nuts tbf

[plucky token]

jk just practice not blowing up with Peril

thats the main thing

[astral citrus]

does it get better with higher levels?

im not blowing up with peril

[lyric burrow]

everything will cause you get better rolls

[astral citrus]

i meant consistant damage

[lyric burrow]

what level are you

[frank moat]

Saving my medkit for the Valkyrie

[astral citrus]

lvl 15

[lyric burrow]

yeah ill feel better later

[olive ember]

You are probably getting rly low stat weapons

[lyric burrow]

esp if your running heresy or something itll feel a little weak cause your weapon damage is like 30%

[olive ember]

And not the correct blessings if any

[astral citrus]

like i see people going on lightning for 20-40sec contigous but im barely going 15sec

[distant mango]

When playing psyker should i try to be in the red consistently

[lyric burrow]

thats cause you need to be level 30

you cant do it till then

well like

[olive ember]

Yesn’t

[lyric burrow]

level 25

[astral citrus]

till then recommend a tree plez thenks

im just spamming assail for now

[plucky token]

They are probably using Empowered Psionics with Smite. It has a bug that gives it unlimited duration at the moment.

[lyric burrow]

honestly thats your best bet

BB might be ok at lower level too

i havent played low level psyker in a long time

[astral citrus]

tree plez

also this

[plucky token]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1158835513789272126

[astral citrus]

what does it do exactly

[astral citrus]

thank you my frend

[olive ember]

Uh it pushes enemies without the peril quelling

[plucky token]

no prob.

[spice veldt]

there are two main reasons for being in the red:

• You quell faster at higher peril
• to take advantage of talents and abilities thta scale on peril

but I prefer not having the mental load of being at high peril in certain situations

[astral citrus]

it doesnt quell peril?

like in vermintide

im sadge

[olive ember]

I forget what the base version of the ability is

[unique mist]

You need another perk to do so

[astral citrus]

oh thats fine then

[olive ember]

Basically you have the base version but the upgraded version is on the left side of the tree which quells peril

[lethal folio]

base version should quell 10%

[olive ember]

So idk what your base version does, thought it was the fact that you don’t quell peril but

Ah only 10%

[unique mist]

What exactly is the radius of venting shriek? I know its not just a circle around you, but is it column directly ahead of you like a bullet or what

[naive imp]

What do we think about going left side for dropping the defensive domes?

[olive ember]

It’s a cone

[narrow crane]

cone

[olive ember]

30m cone

Also works through walls and cover

[woven pumice]

it's a lot bigger than it seems

[olive ember]

Pretty nice point defense against specials

A bit squishy tho imo but haven’t used it much

[naive imp]

Wait. Multiple domes means you should be tankier.

10% toughness regen for everyone inside and 50% toughness reduction for 5 seconds when it ends.

[olive ember]

Left side doesn’t drop domes it’s just the basic shield

You meant the right side?

[naive imp]

I meant left of the end nodes. Sorry

Warp charges*

[olive ember]

Oh I can’t rly say because it’s kinda bugged as shit rn

Since one warp charge instantly refreshes shield CD

[limber heath]

wait for some reason i thought the dr lasted 10s

[plucky token]

Yeah im trying to stay away form Warp Charges until they fix that...but then I also am using Empowered Psionics bug with Smite. No matter what im being a bad boy.

[silent forge]

psyker is just working as intended honestly

[woven pumice]

[steel flame]

Im still not tired of the ultra fast laspistol crit build for psyker

[scarlet timber]

so difference btween 14 and 15 stacks is huge then?

for burn

on purge

[spice veldt]

roughly a 10% difference in damage per tick

[silent forge]

mk 7 claw feels so good w that build

[spice veldt]

but it is what it is

[scarlet timber]

i thought i ahd a perfect

purge 😦

[steel flame]

You can really feel that 155% movement speed

Been using mk4

[plucky token]

"It just works" -High Inquisitor Toddious Howard, Ascendant Revivificator of the Ancient Cipher

[woven pumice]

something weird going on with blaze + surge

[silent forge]

i love that its just up to preference atp in time. claws used to be sooo underwhelming

[slate sun]

I'm still trying to figure out how toughness is calculated including the bonuses from curios and from the skill tree...
Specifically - I've got +15x3 from the tree, which should give me 145 on the Psyker right?
Then +44% from the curios should amount to 145x1.44 = 208 toughness as I understand it ...
Somehow I've got 157
Even if it would be 144% from the base and then +45 from the skill tree
that's still 189
What am I missing here?

[naive imp]

Till they fix what?

[steel flame]

I use laspistol, assail, the crit movement speed perk, scrier and Destiny and I always at least one source of speed if not two, not mention being practically immune to range damage. It's a real power trip

[spice veldt]

psyker has 60 base toughness now

[plucky token]

Warp Charges give you instant cooldown on your abilities. No matter how many you have.

[olive ember]

Warp charges giving instant shield CD I presume

[olive ember]

Pretty sure that only applies to shield but I could be wrong

[spice veldt]

trajedy, but good nuff

[plucky token]

I honestly havent tested it, I just know it does it for shield and it's hella busted.

[woven pumice]

looks like blaze + surge won't go above about 48 damage per tick, not sure how many stacks that is

there's no limit listed though

[slate sun]

wait what? 😄 I'm pretty sure it wasn't mentioned anywhere

[spice veldt]

get owned

[silent forge]

i feel you on that. i personally dislike assail abuse but having it as a backup dps option is so nice to have. i think thats when i learned to appreciate it for the purpose it should serve

[spice veldt]

yeah it was a rude awakening when i realized that I had less toughness than I would've assuming I had 100 base toughness

[plucky token]

Fatshark Motto: We don't gotta explain shit.

[slate sun]

but 60 toughness is like ... a poxwalker sneeze

[steel flame]

I use it in concert with my laspistol. Many times using it to stun for a las finisher, or to take out chaff as well as to generate peril for Regen and warp rider.

[fresh reef]

Suddenly I have so much more sympathy for new players struggling in Malice

[ionic frost]

you don't play on damnation with only 60 toughness ;)

[slate sun]

but technically you could, and that's just absurd

[ionic frost]

by not spending your points or being severely underleveled?

[plucky token]

Pings Daemonhost .....Player walks up and pokes it

I don't.

[spice veldt]

the minimum base would be 75 toughness because of one of the two nodes that you must pick

there are the 3 toughness node which led into the Keystones

[plucky token]

[fresh reef]

Could you? Is it possible to spend all 30 points without hitting any toughness nodes?

[silent forge]

exactly that. it feels so cool just pulling out the crystals as a quick swap or helping tie things off

[spice veldt]

nah, you have to take at least one toughness node

[fresh reef]

Still, 75 toughness damnation
Wack

[ionic frost]

why would you only pick 75 toughness though?

[fresh reef]

Memes

[ionic frost]

don't forget you can have warp absorption + quietitide + others now...

[spice veldt]

speccing into low toughness would not be a terrible idea if you were only caring about melee enemies

but you'd get fucked if ranged enemies appear

[ionic frost]

if you want to do memes, use the starter grey weapons?

[slow raven]

what laspistol blessings?

[ionic frost]

with no curios?

[spice veldt]

75 toughness with full hp build 😎

[naive imp]

Oh cool

[silent forge]

ghost infernus hopefully

[spice veldt]

bruisers do like 120 damage now so that toughness is going to waste if you're not reaching that BP anyways

if your toughness gets one-shot all the same, then what does it matter

[steel flame]

Rn I have inferno and crit kill restores toughness but I'm searching for dumdum 4

[slate sun]

there are very few reasons to do it on purpose, but it's still weird that they tuned the base stat so much down, so that you're forced to have +toughness curios

[fresh reef]

I started running health instead of toughness, currently have 2x20% and 3x5%

It makes clutches so much easier

[spice veldt]

the 75 toughness + max CDR build with the shield ult

[fresh reef]

I'm so used to getting murked by a poxburster if I'm anything below max hp that when one hit me and I lived I was genuinely shocked

[silent forge]

i wonder if psyker dodge node is anti synergy with ghost blessing or if they stack but i highly doubt it

[frank moat]

I almost don't wanna run toughness curios at all since you get such a low return with the already low base toughness

[spice veldt]

i have 225 max toughness 😎

i ate all of the toughness nodes on the tree

[fresh reef]

Wait fr?

[spice veldt]

babeeeeeeeee

[cunning jolt]

Those are the eyes of a Florida man who feels no pain

[fresh reef]

+17%/3x5 on all curios I'm guessing?

[frank moat]

Honourary Slab

[spice veldt]

mhm

[plucky token]

He's seen some shit.

[spice veldt]

there are 5x +15 toughness nodes

so you can get up to 135 base toughness

[fresh reef]

Gah dam

[spice veldt]

but you really have to go out of your way to specifically go for them #1158835513789272126 message

[plucky token]

Psyker Tank Build confirmed?

[woven pumice]

is more toughness good for anything other than gunners

[royal granite]

we can be pretty tanky now

just by regenning toughness with literally every action

[spice veldt]

you basically primarily take toughness for ranged enemies

only deranged psychos fully spec into toughness

[royal granite]

simply don't get touched in melee

[spice veldt]

I don't think it's too bad to go into toughness, but there are some diminishing returns and hitting certain HP thresholds is nice

[plucky token]

I saw some people saying going Tanky Melee Psyker with Scrier is a good build. Anyone try this out?

[woven pumice]

do flames ignore toughness

[spice veldt]

they always break your toughness yeah

specifically, flames from specialist enemies

ground fire from red barrels directly hurt your HP and don't touch your toughness

[woven pumice]

yeah like flamers, tox flamers and bombers

fire is too scary

[plucky token]

So...fire...bad?

[spice veldt]

step your toe into fire and immediately lose all of your toughness

big sad

[ornate hamlet]

What's better to use on the zealot -
Chainsword or evi?

[scarlet stone]

do blitz kills count as ranged?

[ornate hamlet]

Assail does

[scarlet stone]

assail is the fragments thing?

[woven pumice]

smite and bb don't

[naive imp]

It is pretty unfortunate. It’s also wild that we don’t have a way to get out of disablers imo

[spice veldt]

they did significantly nerf dogs this patch

[naive imp]

Using your active to break free or something so it goes on cooldown.

[spice veldt]

so I don't mind disablers the way they are

[plucky token]

I like chainsword for Monstrosities and Being a Can Opener for Heavy Armor.

[spice veldt]

imo they nerfed dogs a bit too hard but it is what it is

[naive imp]

It’s not even that they do damage. It’s just a teammate competency check.

[slow raven]

underrated best change of this patch

[woven pumice]

i'd probably like assail more if it didn't count as ranged so you could save true aim

[royal granite]

how did they nerf dogs exactly?

[silent forge]

messing up the timing on a push has never been more forgiving lol

[royal granite]

i noticed they're easier to push

[spice veldt]

they are WAAAAY easier to push and their HP was nerfed

[molten prawn]

I can dodge them now

[spice veldt]

yeah that too

[narrow crane]

they have been broken for a while, they mostly fixed their hitboxes

[ornate hamlet]

I mean I did notice the dogs aren't launching into the air never to be seen again until they randomly grab you and don't make a full 90degree turn to grab you

[spice veldt]

dogs aren't a dice roll anymore

[slow raven]

theyre no longer invincible tanks to ranged damage

[royal granite]

i'm pretty sure they were never meant to be that hard to push, it was a latency issue

[molten prawn]

I swear you couldn't before

Or not reliably

[silent forge]

i like charging a heavy with a duelling sword just to swat them out the air

[slow raven]

it's amazing now you can actually shoot them to death without using 5000 magazines

[royal granite]

dogs move at mach 5 so having everything go down server side means dogs can just appear and obliterate you

[molten prawn]

I also notice if I'm just swinging they tend to get hit

[narrow bluff]

is that margaret psyker there? bro is a peak of horde cleaning

[scarlet stone]

I like how dogs sometimes jump to their own deaths

[royal granite]

oh no i got the tetris effect in a bad way

i saw a big crowd of people standing tightly packed together

[scarlet stone]

where do you see that??

[royal granite]

and i don't think i can legally say the first thing that popped into my mind

maybe it's time for a break

[narrow crane]

mod

[frank moat]

Free toughness

[ornate hamlet]

so why does chainsword 1 shot with a light charge but the evi can't

The literal heavy variant

against mutants*

[royal granite]

weird balance choices

[keen harbor]

because regular got buffs, while evi didn't get any changes

[narrow crane]

My axe users: what's your favorite axe

[silent forge]

antax

[ornate hamlet]

Did anything happen to the chain axe?

[royal granite]

they nerfed the power sword so they had to give vet something new to just chew through everything with

[olive ember]

rashad

[scarlet stone]

dang, I hope they bring stats back...

[olive ember]

antax is probably better

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[narrow crane]

if youre on pc you can just download the scoreboard mod

[royal granite]

i'm not actually bitter about vets, they aren't that strong now, and vet was always my second main

[narrow crane]

if not, they'll never add it

[scarlet stone]

I play on cloud gaming

[keen harbor]

rashad is better, if you don't take melee speed increase skills

[narrow crane]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-crying-walter-dying-gif-20964719

[slow raven]

is there a resource that shows the base crit chance of weapons?

[left patio]

Which of the main psyker abilities would you recommend to a new player

[plucky token]

How easy is it to download that Scoreboard mod? I really don't like to mod unless it's a Bethesda game, but I might make an exception for this.

[acoustic spade]

Hmm, what Curio perks are the best for +3 Max Stamina curios? I guess +HP is good one, but is there a damage resistance I should pick?

[ornate hamlet]

what'd they give him

[burnt current]

Just started this game and really liking it, need help with a build I’m level 20 atm and feel like I’m gravitating towards assail as a blitz does anyone have a build I can follow so I can utilize my talent points better

[raw token]

theres a mod that shows you all your real stats

[royal granite]

chainsword is just really good now

it's not really a vet buff

[narrow crane]

Preference, but Gunner resistanc ebecause they have insane aimbot

[royal granite]

i literally just groused about vet getting something out of habit

[keen harbor]

gunner, sniper, or corruption

[royal granite]

like that simpsons meme

[acoustic spade]

I run Kinetic Deflection+deflect fsword so I can usually just block their shots if they start targeting me

[scarlet stone]

are assail kills considered warp attack kills?

[spice veldt]

ye

[royal granite]

yep

yeppers

[spice veldt]

so as you can expect

[royal granite]

they sure are

[spice veldt]

Soulstealer is pretty strong

[woven pumice]

can't see shit when I try doing this

[narrow crane]

Sniper resistance is helpful I guess, but ehhhhhhhh I just opt for toughnress regen speed or +5% health

[slow raven]

omg, dumdum gets refreshed by soulblaze damage

[narrow crane]

there's a mod for this

[woven pumice]

haven't bothered with mods so far

[brave vale]

Whats the dumpstat on this

[lethal folio]

mobility, penetration somewhat.

[spice veldt]

along with Cleave Damage since it only scales unarmoured/infested and not flak currently (though this is a bug for now)

[royal granite]

i was under the impression the duelling saber was primarily a single target weapon anyway

[spice veldt]

you do miss a oneshot BP on Dreg Shotgunners I think

[raw token]

what no, the dump stat is cleave, no competition

[lethal folio]

Dueling sword is for horde control or elite smiting.

[spice veldt]

uncanny strike ultimately makes it so that your armour mods against armour types that aren't Unarmoured/Infested can be basically whatever

[royal granite]

give us the fire sword from vermintide 2 already

[harsh urchin]

is that true tho

[lethal folio]

Yes.

[harsh urchin]

cuz any rending overflow

becomes dmg at 4:1

[royal granite]

let me just light up everything in a 180 degree arc around me

[spice veldt]

you miss out on up to +25% damage

but it is what it is

[harsh urchin]

well do you think +25% damage is a lot?

[spice veldt]

it's a fair bit

[harsh urchin]

it seems like quite a ton to me

[spice veldt]

with +cara, it doesn't really matter since you're going to miss out on the two-shot (with a crit) bp on crushers w/o warp rider or nearly 80/80/80 stats anyways

[harsh urchin]

how are you liking the strikedown on 5 or the poke on 4

[spice veldt]

poke on the 4, cuz they deal more damage

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1160372487377404004/image.png?ex=65346c17&is=6521f717&hm=03734f42f3d0341db8c2e5fef79c37b49f50b5bde5977e22cc3dbccb417c3acc&

[harsh urchin]

oh

did they forget

[spice veldt]

prolly

[harsh urchin]

to update the numbers

[spice veldt]

i assume that not all of the changes to duelling swords made it in this patch

[harsh urchin]

cuz those look suspiciously like the old numbers lol

[spice veldt]

since it doesn't make sense for the mk2's h1 to have less damage than the mk4's h1

and mk2 lacks the same fast followup that the h1 has from the special-attack like the mk4 has

since both duelling swords have the same h1

[harsh urchin]

is the only way to proc rampage still the push at

[spice veldt]

seems so

they also buffed the hitmass of groaners i'm p sure

[harsh urchin]

hm

[spice veldt]

Penetration scales the carapace adm from 54.4% to 27.2%, so you're losing out on up to 6.8% damage depending on your pen stat

[harsh urchin]

can you sustain rampage off lights once you get it up

[spice veldt]

oh that's true

[harsh urchin]

or are the lights still too shit

[lethal folio]

groaners have 1 mass, but you can hit three with a light to refresh if they are staggered and you have t4 rampage active

probably less than t4, I didn't check the tiers.

[tacit urchin]

Are Warp Attacks also Ranged Attacks if they're projectiles?

[spice veldt]

even 1% power should be good enough if DS lights still have 2 cleave

[harsh urchin]

man I wish the loot system

was better lmao

like the vt1 dice system

where if u did harder difficulty + more grims/tomes you get better shit

cuz it's so cancerous having the only source of t4 blessings

be from a daily shop or from RNG from consecrating

[spice veldt]

oh yeah enemies having less hitmass when staggered now

[raw token]

in my experience just upgrading grey 360+ weapons is a pretty damn fast way to get all the t4s you want

[harsh urchin]

anything that generates heat is a warp attack

[wooden flare]

My dumbass was being useless in a match for five minutes trying to get a challenge done only to learn after the challenge was bugged and needs to be done on the threat level higher than the one I was on

[harsh urchin]

it's not lol

[wooden flare]

[harsh urchin]

it depends on the weapon

some weapons have 3-5 rolls and it's easy

some have like 12

and it's fucking awful

[spice veldt]

ye; they're not mutually exclusive categories

[raw token]

yeah true those are bad, i havent had to go through those tbf

[tacit urchin]

I was 100% ready to believe that they would be sticklers and say that staves were ranged and only "blitz" skills were warp attacks

[wooden flare]

I’m going to assume anything that increases your warp charge counts as a warp attack

So staves count for that

[vivid mica]

are earned blessing shared across staffs? like, if i have t4 surge on a trauma staff and i earn it, can i apply it to a void staff?

[harsh urchin]

no

staves are diff weapons

[vivid mica]

😭

[wooden flare]

What does each staff do?

[lethal folio]

For a long time Surge lightning didn't count as warp damage.

[left patio]

Ive been enjoying using smite, does it hold up on harder difficulties?

[lethal folio]

I haven't checked.

[tacit urchin]

one creates a floor explosion, one throws a very strong charged ball, one shoots lightning that stuns and does goodish damage, one is a blue flamethrower

[wooden flare]

Is your name and pfp a reference to the UrbanRescueRanch?

[tacit urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/urban-rescue-ranch-rescue-ranch-kevin-ostrich-gif-22560229

[wooden flare]

Ah the beast of hatred and wrath

[wooden flare]

Wait I thought there was only 3 staves?

[tacit urchin]

unless the floor explosion staff was deleted for being terrible

cause it was kinda terrible

[wooden flare]

No That’s the first staff you get

Or unlock I should say

[spice veldt]

they buffed its peril gen