psyker-class

[autumn smelt]

thats too long wth

id say 5 seconds is fine

[gusty furnace]

Something more than "I blink and I get all my shards back"

[bold flint]

guy wants a second blitz ability

[teal needle]

35 seconds means you'd get like 35 shards over a whole mission

[autumn smelt]

thats literally 5x how long it takes at its lowest

[left basin]

i want three abilities

[spice veldt]

something that better incentives you to quick swap

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, and vet regenerated 1 grenade a minute and it was so strong fatshark removed it

Assail is just outright too strong currently

[timid brook]

Why is assail so damn goood

[gusty furnace]

And the infinite ammo aspect is part of it

[teal needle]

[covert flame]

vet can still regen grenades

[viscid matrix]

only reason its too strong is the charge generation, the damage is perfectly fine where it is

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, but its 5% on elite or special kill

[teal needle]

Pretty sure grenade regen is exactly what it was before for vet and vet coherency

[gusty furnace]

And only for vetty boi

[autumn smelt]

ogryn rock you get 1 per MINUTE and you hold on to 4, and its intended to be supplementary to your build, ie not a heavy part of your skill tree nodes
for psyker your blitz is your bread and butter, there is literally an entire keystone regarding buffing it

[ornate sedge]

i like that assail replaces my weapon because i feel like shadow wizard money gang

[timid brook]

Assail is great until you try maelstrom

[teal needle]

No. 1 minute regen still in

[gusty furnace]

Oh, I musta missed it. My mistake then.

But the point remains.

Vet gets one nade back every minute

[viscid matrix]

nah its good there too, just make sure to have a melee and ranged weapon to fill in when assail isnt very useful 😄

[gusty furnace]

and we get 8 knives back in a couple seconds

[sharp nacelle]

im probably late but is smite broken when using with empowered psionics?

[autumn smelt]

35 seconds with how assail is right now would literally make it worse than nothing, as its taking up a spot an actual useful ability

[gusty furnace]

that can clear out whole hordes

[timid brook]

Which is 99% of the time lmao

[raw token]

I am literally just all in on the right with void and duelling sword both specced to crits and it seems dumb but you are literally unkillable istg

[red wind]

yo so what's like the build for assail rn

[gusty furnace]

Give it three weeks

and I think the community will have a more honest answer for you

[red wind]

oh i know itll get nerfed

im just sayin like

i dont even know

[timid brook]

Dont get me wrong assail is amazing for steamrolling low difficulties for materials but on maelstrom it's not worth not having smite

[autumn smelt]

the difference being that a single grenade from a vet is 10x more impactful than 5 knives

[gusty furnace]

luv me bb too much to give it up

[spice veldt]

fine on maelstroms depending

pretty nice for anything with hunting grounds

[timid brook]

waves of mutants disagree

lol

[viscid matrix]

having a preacher zealot removes the need for smite tbh

[spice veldt]

you have your melee for that

or the power of gun

[gusty furnace]

pesky sniper? Gone.

Pesky trapper? Gone

Pesky gunners? Gone.

Room full of shooters? Tedious, but gone.

Boss DPS? Check

[raw token]

answer themwith void and then assail is still worth having

[autumn smelt]

the reason its really good is you can use assail so often, but if you take away its low cooldown in favor of a really really really long one its borderline useless

[true shadow]

living up to your name puri

[gusty furnace]

It doesn't even need to be that long

It was just a random number

[viscid matrix]

tbh double the time required to regen, might be fine

[gusty furnace]

Some discussion starting point

But no

everyone just gets madge immediately

because "how dare you take our toy"

[autumn smelt]

2 seconds would be a little short

[teal needle]

That's the second time I've seen today someone has been convinced about the existence of crippling nerfs to vet that don't exist. The vets are just complaining so loudly people are assuming lol

[autumn smelt]

3-5 would be better

3 being with the node that decreases the cooldown

and 5 being without

[raw token]

i am hearing a lot about vets being a lot weaker, is it that bad?

[gusty furnace]

No.

Just low skill players.

Being low skill.

[teal needle]

No they're whinging. They got a couple meh options but are great

[gusty furnace]

They can't rely on counterfire nearly as well anymore.

[raw token]

so what are they saying

oh

[autumn smelt]

the biggest thing that people are complaining about is the lack of the 75% toughness resist when their ability was active iirc

[viscid matrix]

Assail build thats pretty good, with any gun as ranged weapon

[nocturne stream]

75% dmg ress is pretty broken tho

[autumn smelt]

which when combined with counterfire was resulting in near invulnerability

[gusty furnace]

Like I said

[viscid matrix]

supression immunity too

[gusty furnace]

just low skill players being low skill

[shy fiber]

I think Assail is best used as a "fire and forget" kind of weapon

[kindred chasm]

i mean that doesn’t mean that certain aspects of the vet build options didn’t get nerfed

[autumn smelt]

also kinda confused on why the powersword got a little bit of a damage nerf tho

that one was kinda unwarrented imo

[gusty furnace]

They got too used to a massive crutch and don't know how to deal with it.

[shy fiber]

I generally throw out two daggers then switch to my staff

[gusty furnace]

Que?

Its still a super overpowered weapon

[kindred chasm]

eh slaughterer deserves the nerf

[gusty furnace]

But mostly it was to reign in the brutal momentum build

[autumn smelt]

damage on heavy attacks got reduced slightly

[kindred chasm]

ah

[gusty furnace]

Imagine old PSword

with new bromentum

[autumn smelt]

i disagree tbh

its okay atm, outshined by other weapons in its own role

[gusty furnace]

LIKE WHAT

[autumn smelt]

which is why i was just kinda confused

[kindred chasm]

chainsword

[gusty furnace]

infinite stagger

infinite cleave

[kindred chasm]

brrt

[viscid matrix]

Vets got a deserved nerf, they were op as hell before, now they have been brougt inline with everyone else

at least psykers are now what they were supposed to be at launch, an elite killer 😄

[gusty furnace]

infinite damage

Its only legitimate drawback is dodge distance

[autumn smelt]

devils claw literally does it better now

[gusty furnace]

and dodge count

[manic flint]

is there a new talent builder ona website?

[gusty furnace]

No

[manic flint]

https://tenor.com/view/moleman-thesimpsons-boo-gif-4205126

[raw token]

if youre level 30 you dont need a website

[viscid matrix]

no, just play around with it ingame, you have 5 loadouts

[manic flint]

yes but im at work.

[autumn smelt]

it fills the same role, but has a parry that kinda nukes elites, instead of a mode that you need to activate every now and again to make it usable

[knotty brook]

Which force sword is the best single target one?

[raw token]

Deimos

[viscid matrix]

Deimos

[gusty furnace]

people complain about dodge timing against plague ogryn

You REALLY think they're good enough for the timing on parry?

[autumn smelt]

true

but my point still stands

[gusty furnace]

I would argue no.

Because of the barrier to entry

[autumn smelt]

current dclaw by default does the same thing as a charged psword

[unique barn]

Well, assail is fucked up good huh

[gusty furnace]

"press button whenever"

"time your parry"

are two massively different gameplay loops

[autumn smelt]

im talking regardless of the parry

thats just the cherry

[viscid matrix]

as long as it can maintain the incredibly low cooldown to generate more ammo, then yes its gonna be op

[autumn smelt]

the sheer damage that the dclaw does now puts the powersword to shame tbh

[upper galleon]

honestly, the ammo system is weird

cause it also costs peril

[unique barn]

Yeah like it complements surge (new surge) so much

[autumn smelt]

psword is still usable and fine dont get me wrong
im just confused why it got a slight nerf when i dont think it needed it

[upper galleon]

it did

and it's fine

BM change was a buff for it

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, the nerf definitely wasn't unwarranted

[upper galleon]

better for plain horde clear

[gusty furnace]

~450 weakspot damage was nuts

[viscid matrix]

it needed the nerf

[raw token]

the fact it costs peril actually helps it imo, i use it as a way to gain toughness and increase crit chance and overall damage all at the same time while getting weakspot and crit kills

[viscid matrix]

just have venting shriek to remove peril as an issue

[upper galleon]

yea but then, just up the peril cost or lower the rate of fire

[light kite]

Cleaves to a max of 10 targets, loses damage with each target, and only kills the first three poxwalkers in a cleave with a heavy charged headshot on Damnation. Barely even staggers the rest.

[upper galleon]

why does it need an ammo

[unique barn]

So I haven't played in 4 months after eliting in beta etc, but psyker seems to be fucking unreal now

[spice veldt]

psword has no damage target cap

[raw token]

yeah thats all they have to do to balance it

[upper galleon]

still can stagger lock ragers

[spice veldt]

that's just a myth that gets spread around for some reason

[upper galleon]

and probably crushers still too

darcy because darcy is the resident vet whiner

[unique barn]

Didn't they nerf powersword to hell?

[viscid matrix]

can yall take the argument about psword to #veteran-class now? yes it got nerfed but yall dont need to keep arguing about it

[light kite]

Cuz it was literally in the patchnotes, I definitely remember reading that

[upper galleon]

"to hell"

[left basin]

it's here

[upper galleon]

it's still an A tier weapon

[light kite]

Not like. Recent patch notes, but still.

[unique barn]

Beta, early it was stupid

[old flame]

I don’t know how I feel about assail

[spice veldt]

they lowered the cleave but did not set a cap to it; you missed the notes

[left basin]

the same staff from december, a bit touched up

[old flame]

It’s ok

[viscid matrix]

nice, but Surge doesnt work on secondary, only primary
Edit: whoops thouhgt it was truama

[upper galleon]

ok you don't have 7 swings with unnerfed slaught

[spice veldt]

fuck off

[gusty furnace]

I mean, I'd still call Power Sword S-Tier

its just not S++++++ tier anymore

[upper galleon]

no

[left basin]

it's voidstrike lmao

[upper galleon]

it works on voidstrike

[teal needle]

Everybody leave the psyker channel. This is my channel. I want it to myself.

[upper galleon]

it doesn't work on trauma (surge blessing)

[unique barn]

Assail > all your shit

[teal needle]

UNPARALELLED MIND

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, trauma's surge still bugged

Been around since day 1

literally

[left basin]

ass sale can go suck it

[raw token]

???

[old flame]

Am I missing something? Assail seems kinda meh to me tbh

[unique barn]

haha

[viscid matrix]

i missread, im heading to bed 😄

[unique barn]

I'm clearing auric with assail

ez mode

[left basin]

clearing auric with grays

[echo cosmos]

Is Uncanny Strike 4 good on mk4 dueling blade?

[left basin]

for the chalenj

[raw token]

yes

[echo cosmos]

Okay thought so thanks

[teal needle]

I'm honestly on team assail is good but i don't see how it's op. Like probably a slightly longer cd is fine.

[unique barn]

dumb comment, what would gear have to do with it 🙄

[viscid matrix]

yes, shred that armour on the carapace and flak to make killing easier

[echo cosmos]

What's the other blessing you want on it?

[left basin]

gimp yourself by picking no talents or you're bad

[raw token]

shred probably

[echo cosmos]

Cool

[left basin]

i am pek gameplayer

[raw token]

or that one where dodging gives you crit chance

[unique barn]

laf

[prime oak]

any assail builds out?

[unique barn]

yep

[left basin]

pick ass sale

[safe breach]

thoughts?

[autumn smelt]

im a little confused
youre talking about heavy attack damage when charged?

[raw token]

its op but a longer cooldown would quickly knock it down far to balanced

[light kite]

Literally just tested it. Gathered all the poxwalkers and groaners in the meat grinder, and left exactly 1 of 11 enemies unbothered, flourishing, and in their lane

[prime oak]

wut

[shadow wigeon]

Ok Assail is broken but what's the absolute most broken build you can do with it

[unique barn]

max crit

[left basin]

yes

[viscid matrix]

#psyker-class message
Gunker Assail

[raw token]

low blast radius will be slightly painful

[gusty furnace]

Yeah

It was probably higher

[safe breach]

would this one be better?

[unique barn]

Max crit, surge staff, assail is ridic

Illisi, if you get in the shit

[prime oak]

whats a good surge staff look like

[viscid matrix]

that is pretty good, use that until you get a much better one

[raw token]

up to you, id say they have an equal amount of up and downsides

[urban crystal]

silly question, is assail good at close range or long range?

[unique barn]

530ish

[autumn smelt]

i just pulled out a random devils claw i had gotten as an emperors gift, and this is how much damage its doing on a horizontal swipe heavy with 0 buffs

[prime oak]

ment more bout blessings n such

[viscid matrix]

ive been using this, i need a btter one which i am roling for every time i get more money

[shadow wigeon]

We rushed Relay station, I used my sword twice, didnt even use my staff once...

[raw token]

warp flurry + warp nexus with crit chance as a perk, other perk is kinda up to you

[unique barn]

IV warp nexus, IV barrage imo

(with new crit builds)

[viscid matrix]

its only suppress in 8m tho, better off with near instant max secondaries instead

[prime oak]

ight ight, i gotta grind som more rss before i even think bout the staff rn

[unique barn]

it's all fallback from Assail

[raw token]

yeah i feel like warp flurry is not up for debate

[brave plank]

Am i using Smite wrong? Feels like it does no damage even if i charge it up. Im in the Meat Grinder right now testing it out and it does like 10 damage a tick, seems super low.

[viscid matrix]

generally if you want to supress enemies, they are more than 8m away from you, or surge is killing them

[unique barn]

I think like assail, staff, sword if it goes to shit

[left basin]

yo

has anyone checked on obscurus

[viscid matrix]

its damage is not great, its a cc tool

[prime oak]

i had the same impression, more of a cc

[raw token]

dont even bother lol

[unique barn]

Most shit is dead to assail

then staff is carapace/ogres

[viscid matrix]

meh

[brave plank]

Understandable. It is a huge knockdown for no warp % cost which is great. I just dont like that the description for it literally says "Charge for high damage"

[viscid matrix]

high damage in comparison to just instant primary attack for it

[echo turtle]

How should I upgrade this?

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, but how many ragers can you hit per swing?

[unique barn]

get an illisi

[echo turtle]

I have like 5

[gusty furnace]

How much trash can hit in that swing + the rager?

[safe breach]

what are peoples build for void staff?

[gusty furnace]

Its not JUST damage that matters on the power sword

[raw token]

if its up to me id change both perks, one to 5% crit chance other to 10% weakspot

[gusty furnace]

its the 14.7 cleave, massive stagger, and massive damage

it was a weapon that did literally everything

And needed every nerf its gotten

[echo turtle]

shred and uh..

[brave plank]

Seems like its around a ~10 dps difference, so high isnt exactly the word id use lol

[unique barn]

How often do you end up in Force Sword?

[raw token]

nah not the blessings, just the two perks

[unique barn]

It's a failure

of the team tbh

[echo turtle]

OH

[deft oak]

What gun(s) should i look for gun psyker

[echo turtle]

Blessings are good then? I would think shred > rampage

[prime oak]

should i be looking for more dmg on here?

[unique barn]

Slaughter/Unstable

[raw token]

potentially, but i dont like either of the perks

[unique barn]

thats shite

[spice veldt]

yeah I'd prob go for shred for the sake of single target

[echo turtle]

block is trash, so weakpot or crit there?

[prime oak]

so i should be looking for more dmg yh?

[viscid matrix]

tbh i really am liking the Columnus mk V, and the Zarona MK 2a

but i have seen Accatran and Kantreal

[raw token]

depends on your build, if you are very crit heavy go for crit, if not 10% more weakspot damage is insane

[unique barn]

best stat to drop is crit bonus/charge rate

[brave plank]

Didnt Force Push use to reduce Peril?

[echo turtle]

I dont really know what my buid will be lol

[whole oxide]

did they change the weakspot damage formula? :/

[echo turtle]

is going crit psyker good rn?

[raw token]

arent you lvl 30?

[echo turtle]

Yeah but I just jumped back in

real level like 250

[raw token]

yes i am full right side and i feel stronger than ive ever felt in the entirety of the game, no kidding

[unique barn]

you can only build around crit for mad assail shit, but your staff doesn't matter really

[echo turtle]

seems like any build rn is godlike compared to before

[hybrid hedge]

does anyone have any advice for smite? it just doesn't feel good to use. I tried it out again after initial bad impressions last night and it still just feels bad this playthrough too

[spice veldt]

only your ranged crits and not melee will be reliable, so I wouldn't go for crit dmg

[raw token]

not sure, i just know its really good on mk4 for some reason

[prime oak]

so this would be a decent base for a surge staff?

[viscid matrix]

yes

[echo turtle]

Ok, I was looking at empowered brain bursts

[kindred chasm]

with psionics it’s infinite full room stagger but it’s not exactly dynamic gameplay

[unique barn]

I like surge for auric, because it's a fall back

like quell is so fast now

[raw token]

yeah stronger was the wrong word, i meant invincible due to toughness lol

[unique barn]

so you're throwing knives, out of charges, surge, quell is 100-0 1second

[viscid matrix]

yeh we have way way way more toughness regen that before

[unique barn]

Sword if you must

[half turtle]

man being able to take all the toughness regens at the same time feels super busted

[raw token]

fr

[half turtle]

it always felt like the psyker's main weakness was that it was squishy as shit

[unique barn]

yeah stack 90% tough regen on curios, I'd argue between +2 wounds or +1 and health on the others

[half turtle]

but now my toughness is just literally always full no matter what i do

[viscid matrix]

Assail plus this is absurd, 15% toughness for full party every time you throw out one

[raw token]

im literally running round with 178 toughness regaining it instantly lmao like how is this going under the radar

[unique barn]

nah you miss the main shit on assail

[echo turtle]

is toughness really good now? I was planning to go back into all healths

[viscid matrix]

lol i am way different, i run around with about 105ish toughness and 274 hp

[unique barn]

toughness means nothing on a psyker

[half turtle]

i think i have around 150 toughness

[past helm]

im sure this has been asked before - but warp rider says "20% damage FROM all sources" doesnt that just mean you TAKE more damage?

[spice veldt]

toughness is fine

[raw token]

the only time i take hp damage is when we're already losing

[half turtle]

most of my deaths used to be because of getting pegged down by shotgunners that dropped behind me or something though

[gray kelp]

solid

[viscid matrix]

its Fatshark being bad at writing tooltips, its 20% more damage dealt, go to Psykanium and test it to see

[half turtle]

but now that just never happens / doesn't matter

[past helm]

holy shit lmao

[true lake]

yeah its huge damage boost

[unique barn]

Run 1 or 2 21% health, run health perks, maybe 1 or 2 wounds, depends on team

[half turtle]

do wounds have better support now

[spice veldt]

only for zealot

[echo turtle]

You were always of toughness stan

[true lake]

i also run a little bit of grimoire corruption resist and sniper damage resist

but thats just me

[viscid matrix]

i should run wounds, but i just want my HP as high as i can get it

[raw token]

thats because toughness is the only way

[half turtle]

i think i randomly rolled gunner/sniper on my curios so that's what i have now lol

[spice veldt]

and now that toughness Regen is much better

[half turtle]

oh did they fix toughness regen on curios

[spice veldt]

if I didn't have the playstyle that I have, I'd run health

but alas

[long wharf]

no need for grimoire corruption resist if you never play with grimoires

[half turtle]

so that it actually works

[raw token]

yh

[half turtle]

i guess they probably fixed it months ago

[unique barn]

Toughness works on classes that actually have base toughness, improving Psyker is silly.

[true lake]

i just grab it in the relatively niche instance they are gone for

[unique barn]

100 base..

[true lake]

so im not too screwed over

[spice veldt]

60

[long wharf]

are we rehashing the old Toughness vs Health arguments again?

[half turtle]

hmm yeah so i don't actually stack +toughness, it's just that taking all the toughness regen talents together is stupid

[unique barn]

seems like

[viscid matrix]

i have way to much HP curios, but 75% extra hp is too good to pass up

[spice veldt]

well, our base stats have changed and the talents are different

it's quite appropriate for the discussion to be revived

[true lake]

in all honesty you mainly want a decent amount of wounds and good health, toughness is hardly something you need to focus on anymore

[spice veldt]

and also with the existence of psyker's shield

[long wharf]

true, but the arguments against +Toughness still stand unchanged

[half turtle]

i think i'm running +hp +toughness +stam on my main curio slots

[long wharf]

you get more out of +Health on curios still

[raw token]

you guys are unenlightened with the toughness ways 🥱

[half turtle]

but i also set that up in january and hvaen't touched it

[long wharf]

I put toughness regen on all my curios

[unique barn]

So, I've also done this shit to death, running wounds on a psyker isn't terrible, its the only class that can full heal by exploding.

But that's a whole other thing 😄

[spice veldt]

on the other hand, arguments for toughness have changed

[viscid matrix]

i wonder if its worth getting 12% combat abiliy regen

[brave plank]

Soulblaze can just happen any time right?

[long wharf]

you have to apply it

[raw token]

i always do but it surely depends which one youre choosing now

[unique barn]

you can clear auric without it

[raw token]

shield and vent surely yes, scriers gaze, not so sure

[viscid matrix]

check the images above for what im currently running 😄

[true lake]

scriers gaze you might not want to be spamming lol

[old flame]

I tried assail again and I don’t really see how it’s op

It’s ok to me

[long wharf]

Assail isn't OP

it's a lot of fun

[teal needle]

Honestly with this patch bringing an extra wound isn't terrible. It's pretty easy to clip a wound off without even going down with all the extra crap spawning now

[brave plank]

Is it only from the passive? Or can it happen off any warp damage?

[true lake]

i feel assail is in a good spot, it can chew through hordes pretty well yes but it is massively limited by how much peril it uses and the ammo

you have to throw away your carapace armor killing BB for it so its a good tradeoff

[unique barn]

if you build assail right, it's fucking stupidly op

[viscid matrix]

run it like this, its absurdly strong

[long wharf]

Purge staff and three talent tree nodes can apply Soulblaze / Warpfire

[true lake]

i feel it isnt any more OP than the krak grenade or the big grenade the ogryns get

[long wharf]

what do you consider "right"?

[true lake]

those do nearly the same thing to hordes

[unique barn]

bottom left, is even more op, warp charges

[long wharf]

Assail has nuances to it that keep it from being straight OP

[brave plank]

Purge or Surge staff?

[viscid matrix]

all 3 are on the left side of the tree

[raw token]

no i mean with your earlier build id say 12% is worth it

[viscid matrix]

but no empowered assail tho

[long wharf]

travel time, unpredictable targeting

[true lake]

i feel it is in a good spot, especilly when you get to auric damn and a lot of the enemies are elites that might shrug off the assail sometimes\

[true lake]

mainly flak armor like maulers

[nocturne stream]

Dome regen seem to stack

[brave plank]

Word ty

Just wish Smite did damage

[true lake]

very slow travel time, unpredictable in that they dont perfectly go exactly where you might want them

definitely like the auto pistol

[long wharf]

it's interesting that you go the Warp Charge route

[unique barn]

major stacking crit/warp charges = broken

[raw token]

what staff

[unique barn]

I use surge b/c it's an armor killer

[viscid matrix]

so why toughness on quell instead of toughness on peril generation?

[long wharf]

I use Void because it's better than Surge in every respect now

[lethal plover]

on illi force sword, is shred or slaughterer better?

[true lake]

yeah voidstrike got over-buffed lol

[long wharf]

I've had situations where the Surge staff failed to stagger enemies

[raw token]

if i didnt use both i would use quell too, its just safer

[true lake]

slaughterer should work, idk if shred is better or not

slaughterer is just good on almost everything

[unique barn]

you can do either, but quelling is so fast now, it's a good pick, 2.5% vs 5%

[raw token]

yeah it feels like it only does it half the time now

[unique barn]

toughness is a shit stat

[nocturne stream]

voidstrike seem hella strong

[unique barn]

curios = 90% regen

[long wharf]

for now, I've dropped the Surge staff

[nocturne stream]

finally can pick off elites

[true lake]

the amount of DPS i can do with void on a monstrosity is crazy

[unique barn]

so basically like whatever you take on toughness is back in <1 second

[long wharf]

Assail for non-armored enemies

Void for the armored ones

[teal needle]

Void oneshots crushers when everything lines up lol

[true lake]

yeah its crazy

[raw token]

how is that bad

[true lake]

its not bad

[unique barn]

its good?

[raw token]

so why u say its bad lmao

[unique barn]

just means toughness is less useful than health

[true lake]

he is saying with the new update you shouldnt focus toughness on curios

because toughness is hardly even an issue to upkeep anymore with new talents

[lethal plover]

is there a perk that increases damage against monstrosities / bosses for weapons? unyielding?

[true lake]

unyielding includes bosses i think

[raw token]

ohhh i see what youre saying

[lethal plover]

so unyielding is the one to go for eh

[true lake]

unyielding is basically any enemy you cant knock on its ass

[unique barn]

yeah the weakness in my build is monsters

but, thats why we have friends

lol

[raw token]

i still think its good to focus toughness% just not regen%

[unique barn]

statistically no

[true lake]

maybe a little toughness gain but i would still focus on hp and wounds more

given how easily you can get toughness back

[unique barn]

^

[long wharf]

I find bubble shield a little too good to pass up for higher difficulties

[nocturne stream]

yeah bubble is strong

and the regen stack

[unique barn]

if you have a co-ord team, yep

[hybrid hedge]

I only just now realized you hold down right click for smite as well, I was only clicking it after fully charging so it was only doing one tick of 30 damage LOL

[lethal plover]

what perks do you personally prefer for a force sword? unyielding + carapace ?

[true lake]

which force sword

[hybrid hedge]

I feel embarrased for saying it had shit damage, it has decent damage

[lethal plover]

illi

[unique barn]

illisi

[true lake]

probably flak at least given its pretty decent at cleaving through hordes

not sure on second perk

[long wharf]

I really wish Empowered Psionics' Overpowering Souls made it proc on specialists as well as elites

[true lake]

i usually use deimos

[unique barn]

slaughterer/unstable, BUT sword is kinda redundant after this patch

[long wharf]

I'm on the fence as to whether EP is really worthwhile for Assail

[true lake]

EP is definitely worthwhile

[long wharf]

I've already dropped Scier's Gaze

[true lake]

it lets you upkeep ammo way more consistently

[brave plank]

I like Trauma Staff (:

[meager stag]

does anyone have a good guide for assail build ?

[unique barn]

linked above

[true lake]

as well as doing more base damage which equals far more overall damage after factoring in all your buffs

[unique barn]

in 3 pieces

[lethal plover]

maybe balancing. because specials just appear constantly

and die constantly

[true lake]

without EP you wont be able to use assail near as often

[long wharf]

but you aren't always getting the kill

that's the rub

[true lake]

if you want the build that basically has assail as the main weapon you need EP to make it work

[long wharf]

on a good team, kills are more or less spread out

[true lake]

warp charge could work if you intend to use assail as a burst weapon to quickly chew through some things

[long wharf]

with Assail, you tend to get the easier kills (horde, weak specialists)

[weak island]

I’m new to war hammer. What’s the best in slot blitz ability for psyker ?

[upbeat parcel]

is warp battery working? I don't seem to get anything above 4

[teal needle]

I can get 6 warp stacks yeah

[unique barn]

I'm murdering almost everything on Auric, and the team is bitching that there's nothing to kill.

[long wharf]

I'm playing around in the meat grinder right now

getting a feel for not having EP and spamming Assail

[true lake]

brain rupture for single target damage that is best used against armored enemies
smite for huge crowd crontrol stun that lets your teammates clear them out
assail for knives that auto aim for heads and can cut through hordes with ease

otherwise depends on build

[weak island]

Ty

[teal needle]

Empower is kind of what makes assail what people are calling op though. You really need those free casts and extra damage to make it shine

[true lake]

yeah empowered psionics is what makes assail almost like a third weapon

[unique barn]

Assail is pure build, not gear based.

[uncut violet]

Fr I just played an auric maelstrom and the assail psyker basically just nuked everything before I had a chance to do anything LOL wish I asked him for his build I want to run it

[true lake]

lets you spam it almost constantly

[unique barn]

yep

If they have a good surge staff, more lol

[lethal plover]

what was his staff

[long wharf]

yeah okay, EP is required for Assail to be a primary weapon

[true lake]

i was going to make a brain rupture build but someone in general chat said that it doesnt count for the heresy penances for some reason

so now i got to wait on a patch

[unique barn]

fwiw you can't kill monstrosities with an assail build, only weakness

[true lake]

yeah assail does jack shit to monstrosities

[long wharf]

to be able to spam Assail constantly (provided you're killing as well), EP is required to just keep going

[uncut violet]

Not kidding he was running trauma staff LOL

[lethal plover]

that is similar to me then

horde control and crusher control

[unique barn]

trauma is redundant

[true lake]

if you run assail you need to get a good staff to account for the not being able to do much to certain enemies

[unique barn]

surge got buffed, tbh

[uncut violet]

Yeah Idk why he was running trauma tbh but that's what he was running

[long wharf]

if you factor in other players, you won't find yourself without time to quell peril and recharge Assail

[long wharf]

Void covers all bases

[true lake]

trauma is pretty good at herding hordes along to keep them in one clump

[unique barn]

quelling is 2x faster now

[true lake]

but when you got assail you already cut through the hordes anyway

[unique barn]

trauma is nothing compared to assail

[uncut violet]

Yeah I thought the turbo build was voidstrike + assail is it not?

[long wharf]

trauma is slow

[true lake]

yeah i run void and assail

[long wharf]

yep same

void, assail, bubble shield

[unique barn]

try surge to clear carapace

[true lake]

pull out void for crushers or other specials i need dead quick because assail is really slow travel speed

[uncut violet]

He was running double shield I think but not bubble

[true lake]

i run the venting shriek though so i can upkeep assail throws longer

also good to get a bunch of fodder off me quick with the damage it does

[long wharf]

double shield is viable as well, I just like putting up a bubble of protection

[unique barn]

psykers just became main damage, you dont need anyone else :p

[near crow]

Is precognition or reality anchor better for scrier's gaze?

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker chat - Super helpful
Zealot chat - Yelling and no questions being answered

[near crow]

I've been running it with the psychic bees and the stub revolver and having an amazing time

[uncut violet]

I been playing since release and I tried maining Psyker until I played 1 game of boltgun vet and never went back. Now I can play Psyker and feel actually useful

[umbral seal]

this is on theme

[uncut violet]

Maybe a bit too useful

[long wharf]

depends on your aim

[unique barn]

well they're all pissed the psykers kill everything lol

[near crow]

My aim's aight

[unique barn]

I've been maining psyker since Beta

[long wharf]

same

[ornate hamlet]

Zealot will always be my favorite just cause the 2 bonk on bosses

[long wharf]

I'm all about space magic

[unique barn]

Good, bad for a while, decent, now insane

[ornate hamlet]

I'm just tryna figure out if the dang eviscerator is good now

[uncut violet]

I dig both classes but unfortunately Vet was just too overtuned compared to everyone else so I said fuck it I'll just play John Tide and called it a day

[unique barn]

I've been playing patch for 18 hours, and people are like, fuck sakes, i may as well not be here. lol.

[lapis bay]

Anyone know if there's a nemesis skin in game

[uncut violet]

I'm glad Vet is feeling balanced now and Psyker gets a turn in the spotlight for a patch before nerfs at least

[ornate hamlet]

Psykers definitely powerful this patch I've been loving it. But I love it when the turd hits the fan and as a zealot just sitting there immortal

[uncut violet]

Support zealot is insane

[true lake]

yeah zealot be acting like the storm that is approaching with their insane support

literally shrug off damage

[ornate hamlet]

Oh no super greed zealot. Running Fury of the faithful

[left basin]

so what's the OPINION on surge staff

[ornate hamlet]

But I have 200 toughness and regen like 40% toughness per swing

[true lake]

kind of wish other classes got that loner keystone they have

[left basin]

did anything happen?

[true lake]

surge staff is pretty good for like single target stun, might be really good to quickly catch a mutant in its tracks or stop a crusher from doing massive damage

also really good damage

[left basin]

so.. no changes?

[true lake]

might be a good option to take place of the original brain burst

[left basin]

i feel like it's faster

and has more damage

[true lake]

it sucks at CC now so take it as you will

[left basin]

wwwhat?

it SUCKS at CC?

why how huh

[true lake]

its lightning doesnt jump as much as it used to

[left cedar]

cuz we have smite now

[true lake]

yeah because smite does the CC

so surge is like massive single target stun/damage

well maybe not massive but pretty damn good damage

[left cedar]

smite is old surge -dmg

[long wharf]

hmmm

[teal needle]

• cleave x10000000 or whatever

[lethal plover]

if by that you mean infinite duration surge

[long wharf]

I do like the average damage output of Assail with 6 warp charges

[true lake]

yeah smite does need that fixed lol

i dont think they intended for infinite smite

[teal needle]

Yeah probably reduce the cost by like 50%+. Honestly base smite needs peril cost reduced

Its pretty poopy sans empower

[long wharf]

Assail is critting for 1000

two-shotting elites

[true lake]

yeah assail can do up to 1k easily

i got it set up for that

[spice veldt]

and assail can benefit from the blessings on your ranged/melee should you swap to them

[long wharf]

this is without EP

it shouldn't be, are you sure?

[ornate sedge]

i think shriek with soulblaze is pretty damn good

[spice veldt]

it does

an uncanny strike melee should demonstrate it pretty well against carapace

[true lake]

it can benefit from certain blessings on ranged weapons

which is likely a slight exploit and not entirely intentional

[spice veldt]

on this build i believe it benefits from basically all

[long wharf]

sounds like a bug regression

typical Fatshark

[true lake]

not that it really needs those blessing to do its damage

[long wharf]

still hasn't nailed down their source management

[teal needle]

Yeah guessing a chunk of the problems with assail are bugs. 150 base damage even through headshots and with all the buffs from the tree should not be hitting 1k

[north pike]

This boy work, what sorta changes for it?

[spice veldt]

have better testing next time https://streamable.com/qjyhbb
Watch the bottom right. 26 groaners killed.

[true lake]

slap surge blessing on it mainly

[long wharf]

I'm seeing better average damage via warp charges than EP

and I'm not overly struggling to keep Assail charges

[true lake]

warp charges gives more damage overall yes but EP allows more consistent use of assail

[long wharf]

I'll need to test this in missions to be sure

[true lake]

just need to upkeep warp charges

[long wharf]

yeah, there's that

[teal needle]

Warp charges are best pick for any build that doesn't focus on assail

[nocturne stream]

tbh warp charges feels pretty good with asail

[long wharf]

I'm going to run a couple missions to test that

[nocturne stream]

just spam and swap

[brazen warren]

assail does not have ammo problems, mostly managing peril is what I hit when using it

use mostly for mobile engagements and shooters, but swap to voidstrike for hordes

[lethal lagoon]

Anyone run a staff build yet, where you just focus on picking good perks and ignore pushing down the tree?

Gonna try that out

[brazen warren]

as you need a bit of distance for assail to wave clear well

[spice veldt]

if you can wave your mouse well, you don't need as much distance

[nocturne stream]

staves can take care of waves tho

[brazen warren]

fair, but melee trash up in my grill is always annoying

[near crow]

Or just keep an Illisi around for anything that gets too close

[nocturne stream]

Melee weapon is just cosmetic now

[echo turtle]

Thanks for the advice fellas I tried the Mk4 dueling sword and it's straight up insane

[near crow]

Did they really buff the dueling swords that much?

[echo turtle]

I tried stacking crits with scripts and it's bonkers

Yeah

[nocturne stream]

oo nice

[echo turtle]

Mine isn't even min maxed and I can almost 1 hit a mutant

Two hits drop crushers when the stacks are up

It's fucked

[whole oxide]

duelling sword still isn't good at horde-clear, but its passable now, and now has great single-target

[brazen warren]

I should try out my purgatus at some point, but the VS covers crushers and muties well

[echo turtle]

I dunno, I get my crit to like 60% ina. Horde

Feels like a blender

[whole oxide]

yeah, but you still only hit 1 at a time

[echo turtle]

But the attacks are so fast

[narrow hare]

does brain rupture crit?

[whole oxide]

sure, but, you're competing with things like Illisi/HeavyS/PowerS to be considered "good" horde clear

[echo turtle]

Yeah true

[whole oxide]

which are killling 10 per swing

[echo turtle]

Nothing is like the illisi haha

[nocturne stream]

Haven't played in a while, are blessing still tied to weapon groups

?

[echo turtle]

Yeah

[true lake]

generally yes

[elder rain]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[true lake]

some weapons share blessings but you have to unlock the blessing on that specific weapon

[whole oxide]

1. Equip Assail

[narrow hare]

who else HATES that blitz swaps to melee when you take damage

[nocturne stream]

Yeah like all force swords share stuff etc

[whole oxide]

2. ....

[true lake]

i can show mine in a sec

[whole oxide]

3. Profit

[narrow hare]

2. profit

[lethal lagoon]

@elder rain I recommend using force push till you get used to assial, otherwise do whatever, take all the toughness gen perks at the start.

[narrow hare]

dont even need in between

equip assail, straight to profit

[flint pawn]

Assail with as much durability as possible. Run your choice of single target damage weapon. I use bleeding Chainsword. Any staff.

[earnest jewel]

I have no idea what's going on, but I feel powerful

[sage coyote]

sheilds been a ton of fun with the bubble change

[spice veldt]

this is mines

[true lake]

thats a lot of buffs lol

[sage coyote]

clutch saved the team a couple times now with it lmao

[autumn smelt]

mutant literally tossed me into the dogs mouth

[whole oxide]

shield makes things too easy, gotta go Scriers to stay on edge of seat

[narrow hare]

bubble still activate on 1 stack of warp charge?

[sage coyote]

yee

[narrow hare]

its days are numbered

its like thunder hammer bug

[sage coyote]

ill enjoy it while it lasts XD

[narrow hare]

zealots got a good month of one shotting demon hosts

fat shark slapped their hand and said "no"

[true lake]

yeah one shotting demon hosts is probably a bit too much lmao

[boreal tartan]

assail with scriers is so fun

[spice veldt]

assail with an mkiv duelly and my build does 80 poxwalkers in 30 seconds which is passable https://streamable.com/pz3ajy

not amazing but good enough

[true lake]

well a mk iv duel isnt going to cut through hordes much

its mainly single target attack pattern

[spice veldt]

ye

[true lake]

still pretty good tho

[kindred chasm]

they’re doing it still?

[narrow hare]

nah

this was before the blessing fix

[kindred chasm]

yea lol

we’ve been talking about it today extensively

[narrow hare]

zealots would straight up just walk up to demon hosts and end them before their animation was over lol

[true lake]

zealots had no time for them

[kindred chasm]

did something change in the last hour because we can still for sure do that with the stealth now

[narrow hare]

oh im sure you can now

[true lake]

imagine running stealth

[narrow hare]

but before it was just because of one blessing

[true lake]

yeah

[narrow hare]

stealth zealot is the way to go

you can do 3000 damage to a crusher with a knife to the back

[kindred chasm]

i prefer relic zealot because the clutch potential feels better but stealth zealot is insane

esp with the backstab damage

[echo turtle]

wow damn, can assailt deal with stuff like snipers far away?

[narrow hare]

yes

[kindred chasm]

crab was posting him one shotting plogyrns and demonhosts with absurd ease today

[narrow hare]

right click and target

[spice veldt]

mid-range is fine, but not as well at long range

[kindred chasm]

he got like 60k in a plogryn

[narrow hare]

you dont even need to be in line of sight after you target

[spice veldt]

not to the degree of BB

[sick light]

Rq, which blessings and perks I should look for on a trauma staff? I remember the brittle blessing thingy, can't remember the rest

[dusk sierra]

empowered psionics is so good tho

[outer wren]

Am I the only one that doesnt like Psionics with Assail?

[spice veldt]

the RMB range for assail seems to be 50m

pretty decent

[kindred chasm]

sure why not

[narrow hare]

its ok at best with psionics

its not endless like the youtube videos show

its only endless in a single situation that will never happen

[vapid canopy]

What is the penance for the emperor? Can’t find it and need to complete 3 tiers of it to unlock a hood I want

[outer wren]

I feel like I dont get many charges using Assail, and unless Im missing something each Psionics only buffs ONE Blade from Assail

[narrow hare]

missions completed

[dusk sierra]

OH I'm a fucking moron

nevermind lol I misread it and thought it gave a few seconds of the effect

[boreal tartan]

i feel like i have never ending assail

[vapid canopy]

Ohhh

[narrow hare]

yeah psionics is only next assail blade

[dusk sierra]

well

[outer wren]

Meanwhile Warp Charges give me a universal damage buff and lower Peril generation to throw more knives, and with Warp Charges it works for every Knive I throw

[unique barn]

^

[narrow hare]

key word

[dusk sierra]

ah you see I'm a zealot main

[outer wren]

if Psionics worked on the next X blades, or for X seconds, Id be on that shit so fast

[dusk sierra]

reading comprehension is not required

[narrow hare]

shouty turned to whispery

[unique barn]

do all the regen shit, all the crit shit, pick assail, pick Venting

[outer wren]

but as of right now Warp Charges feels better for Assail blade spam

[unique barn]

it's hard to not build assail that way

[dusk sierra]

yeah no makes sense

[echo turtle]

I grabbed crit stuff and then the beserk mode

is beserk mode over rated?

I am running brain burst I think

[unique barn]

well brain burst isnt assail?

[outer wren]

Assail is space knives/rocks/blue things

[unique barn]

right?

[zinc phoenix]

Doom sperm

Little white sperm flying around the map murdering things

It’s pretty weird

[unique barn]

I just matched, probably missed half of this, but yeah Assail build

[outer wren]

I mean the trails are white but the objects are blue

[narrow hare]

im gonna go back to my pre-talents rework they did like 6 months ago where they nerfed soul flame build on psyker. they brought it back with this update

just head popping and catching everything on fire

[outer wren]

I just see Psionics making one blade do +50% damage, and compare that to Warp Charges that give a universal damage buff, peril reduction, and takes 25 seconds to fall off, and Im like, isnt Warp Charges better? xD

[zinc phoenix]

It’s fun but it’s no empowered smite

I did the same 😂

[autumn smelt]

it is, but assail is not the main focus of the build

[whole oxide]

Hot take time: Brainburst is a better choice than Assail. Not because Assail is bad, its good, but it doesn't add any capability that I don't have already with staff/sword

[outer wren]

Would you still do Empowered Smite if the Peril generation was there?

[narrow hare]

i mean empowered smite is fun cus it never ends but it does fuck all damage

[autumn smelt]

i use empowered psyonics when im using surge and assail

[echo turtle]

does disrupt destiny not work in the meat grinder?

[outer wren]

Please elaborate 🙂

[zinc phoenix]

I tried running it without empower and not really no

[echo turtle]

I have been killing stuff but I see no stacks accueing

[zinc phoenix]

Smite is nice for freezing something in place but unless someone is there to kill it it’s still there when you stop… 😂

[narrow hare]

have fun with super sparkly fingers, cus odds are high that its gonna get fixed next hotfix lol

[zinc phoenix]

And also you have probably got a full peril load without the empower bug

[narrow hare]

shield 100% is getting fixed on the next patch lol

[zinc phoenix]

Also smite without empower can’t stop a mutie etc dead instantly like empowered smite

[outer wren]

Whats wrong with it? OP or unintended bug/effect? Also which shield lol

[echo turtle]

anyone using disrupt destiny?

[zinc phoenix]

Which one is that?

[echo turtle]

the one that builds up to 30 stacks

[autumn smelt]

tldr empowered psyonics buffs your blitz, and the build focuses entirely on assail
assuming you take every node you can in that keystone, you can generate lots of toughness for you and your team, throw tons and tons of shards due to the 0 cost of both peril and shards on an empowered throw, let alone the buffed damage, its just really good when your main source of damage is good

[narrow hare]

it gets full recharge on 1 warp charge rather than just a 7.5% cooldown reduction @outer wren

[outer wren]

so you mean the CD fix

[narrow hare]

yeah

[outer wren]

gotcha

[zinc phoenix]

I tried a melee build with it and basically I’d say don’t bother for melee. For ranged maybe assail yes

[echo turtle]

ah ok

[narrow hare]

its probably more gonna be a fix on warp charge side cus its not interacting properly with abilities

[autumn smelt]

its good if you actually play into it, but is best tuned when using weapons that hit the head, like guns or voidstrike

[narrow hare]

cus its not just dome that does it

[autumn smelt]

otherwise the other options are better 90% of the time

[zinc phoenix]

It’s sad there’s not a melee specific psyker line

[autumn smelt]

i wouldnt choose disrupt destiny if i was using surge, trauma, purg, or a build that focuses heavy on a blitz

the other keystones just do more for you for those kinds of builds

[zinc phoenix]

Like everyone knows right side is gunker/assail (plus void but that’s because it’s busted)

And left side is hot soulfire action

I guess Middle is kind of melee?

[echo turtle]

alight I am going to try brain burst, into scriers gaze back over into warp charges. This looks like a really wild amount of damage potential

and like, massive uptime on scriers

[zinc phoenix]

Scriers gaze isn’t something you want lots of uptime on

The peril is real

[narrow hare]

scriers turns force swords into power swords tho lol

[autumn smelt]

i see it as
left-staff focused
mid-ability focused
right-gun focused

[narrow hare]

not necessarily

[zinc phoenix]

I tried it with dueling sword because I figured crit action

[outer wren]

So this is what I dont understand.
Psionics has a 7.5% chance on kill to give you the buff. Said buff (with Assail) is a 50% Damage buff and free Knive for ONE Knive charge.
Warp Charges on the other hand give you a universal damage buff, peril reduction, peril quell speed, and reduce the CD of your ability when actually used. All of this seems much more useful to me than a 7.5% chance to have ONE free knive that does 50% more damage, when I can make EVERY knive do 24% more damage.

[narrow hare]

try it with force sword activating the special ability

you wont regret it

[autumn smelt]

node with an elite kill grants a free charge

its HUGE for it

[long wharf]

okay

I'm inclined to drop EP for now with Assail

[outer wren]

Are there seriously that many elites?

[narrow hare]

not really

[autumn smelt]

theyre always in groups

[long wharf]

not once ran out of Assail charges

[crude cape]

anyone got a SS of the 'meta' psyker build rn

[outer wren]

that was my thought

[long wharf]

much better damage throughout the run

[zinc phoenix]

On high diff yeah

Like in damnation it’s a clown show of elites

[long wharf]

and the peril generation reduction meant I could more easily swap between void and Assail without quelling

[narrow hare]

yeah, it will help you throw more, but you're not going to get the advertised "never ending assail" that you see on youtube

[zinc phoenix]

The real challenge is racing everyone else to the elites 😂

Cuz everyone else has same idea of “stack elite kill bonuses for mega oomph”

[outer wren]

thats the other killer to me, unless you're telling me you have Psionics up an absurd amount (which I doubt), a universal damage buff and peril reduction and quell speed sound much better and better in general use over Psionics to me

[fluid knot]

Just did a 4 Psyker stack, I had Smite, two had Assail and one had Brainburst... Easiest Maelstrom ever 😄

[narrow hare]

auric?

[zinc phoenix]

Your finger must hurt from holding one button so long 😂

[fluid knot]

Only ever

[narrow hare]

good

[long wharf]

so, I'm running Assail with 6 warp charges

I also grabbed Warp Rider and True Aim

[ornate sedge]

playing psyker without funny knife throw is reminding me that this game is meant to be hard

[fluid knot]

I know, not like getting an RSI like times of old spamming LMB 😂

[outer wren]

I just feel like Assail spam makes the most sense with Warp Charnges over Psionics

[flint pawn]

I use Psionics for support

Assail is strong enough, I run everything else survival

[long wharf]

I use psionics for delivering the Emperor's Justice

[zinc phoenix]

I found I had trouble with both because the shards weren’t generating charges

[long wharf]

at 6 warp charges, Assail is one-shotting normal enemies without headshots

[fluid knot]

Seriously tho, Smite needs a damage boost an to chain to less enemies because if you have a DPS guy it makes it utterly trivial

[autumn smelt]

peril resist for knives doesnt matter nearly as much as reducing how many charges you use, you cant speed up charges being restored but you can quell peril easily

i say all if this with they idea that you are using assail as your main weapon btw

[zinc phoenix]

It’d just be old surge staff in your back pocket tho

[long wharf]

time you spend quelling is time not spent throwing shards

[outer wren]

see now I really want to try and run numbers with Psionics
We're comparing a situational 50% damage buff to assail with a CONSTANT 24% damage buff with Warp Charges

[fluid knot]

Nah, have it chain to like 15 guys, not like old Surge only doing 6 or summat

[autumn smelt]

the damage is honestly just a bonus, its not the main reason

[outer wren]

I should be fair and say I use a staff, so the peril reduction is not wasted

[zinc phoenix]

So long as it prios people in metal

[autumn smelt]

plus each time it procs is an instant free 15% toughness for your whole team

[fluid knot]

If it does real damage, that'd be fine yeah

[autumn smelt]

so if youre killing lots of elites by spamming it, youre giving your team SO much toughness regen

[zinc phoenix]

Like I’m not taking smite to give pox walkers titties a tingle

[true lake]

just got suddenly disconnected from server for seemingly no reason

[outer wren]

Uptime feels like the biggest issue to me

if I had it up a lot Id swap no question

but a 7.5% chance and 100% chance on elite (which I need to kill and others also fight to kill) doesnt seem great to me

[fluid knot]

You also get whatever Warp Unleashed is called now an thats damage that scales with your peril, so yeah, i would say Warp Charges are all round a better bet, Unless ofc you're being silly with Scriers then you NEED the peril resist whats in the Warp Charge tree

[outer wren]

Warp Rider? Above Psionics?

[fluid knot]

Thats the one

[long wharf]

get all of it

[fluid knot]

Summat like that ye

[flint pawn]

12.5% on any kill works better for me

[atomic zephyr]

VOIDSTRIKE with blazing spirit/warp nexus, viable?

[fluid knot]

Yeah, very, not as good as Nexus/Surge tho

[zinc phoenix]

You could just dueling sword, skip kinetic deflection and perma dodge

[long wharf]

can't skip Kinetic Deflection if you want True Aim

[zinc phoenix]

Oh fair

[atomic zephyr]

yeah, having trouble farming the surge blessing

[outer wren]

Ignoring Warp CD bugs, what ability have you guys been using? Is it all shields? xD

[fluid knot]

Shriek for me

[long wharf]

and True Aim is a free guaranteed crit just for hitting heads which you do constantly

[zinc phoenix]

Shriek and dome

[flint pawn]

Dome shield for max toughness

[languid cradle]

Also using shriek.

[fluid knot]

Burning stuffs on Ult an instantly dropping Peril is wicked, though i played Scriers/Assail for a bit which is good damage, but scary

[true lake]

mainly shriek for me, helps me in dire situations because i sometimes get over zealous

[lament topaz]

So how does infinte smite work?

[outer wren]

are any of you using Shriek with AssaIl?

[fluid knot]

You should really

[outer wren]

Warp Charges be bugged 🙂

[lament topaz]

Just lightning until you get emp and then never let go?

[lament topaz]

I do yeah

[zinc phoenix]

Shriek fits well with assail imo because peril

[languid cradle]

Legit just using old psyker stuff, lol. Brainburt and shriek.

[lament topaz]

Brainburt

[flint pawn]

I've gotten into a habit of quelling nonstop the moment I hit 70% so I don't need shriek anymore

[fluid knot]

Its not worth it, it already autostops casting when you hit 100% peril an drops to 80% in no time at all, spend the points elsewhere

[languid cradle]

My favorite ability, the brainburt. :^)

[outer wren]

the specialist stunning barrier feels so good though

and I have like 45% Peril Reduction, so Peril doesnt feel like an issue to me

[zinc phoenix]

They just mob it down

[languid cradle]

Dome can save a team and help them take out range. I just enjoy that sweet, sweet crunch sound. :))

[true lake]

specialist stunning is sometimes useful but with the specialist amount they can just charge through your shield no problem

maybe stun some of them

[zinc phoenix]

In fairness if you get like six gunners dome ain’t stickin around either but at least you get the toughness pop

Honestly dome is more useful for tough regen in melee imo

[flint pawn]

I wonder how much it would matter if Assail couldn't stagger as a nerf

[outer wren]

Which Shriek option is better?

[sullen bobcat]

When assail nerf

[true lake]

it dont need a nerf

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve been going fire but am really tempted by flat damage for high peril

[true lake]

its not near as OP as you may think lol

[outer wren]

I guess its more so does one do more damage than the other? Or is the fire one more about fire synergy?

[true lake]

i prefer the flat damage myself to instantly shove off and usually kill fodder that is in my face

[zinc phoenix]

It’s op compared to stuff from last patch… but this patch lol it’s fine

[sullen bobcat]

It pretty much has infinite uptime. It needs a nerf

[shrewd comet]

hey guys, are updated mods available yet somewhere besides nexus or just wait it out?

[true lake]

not really with the whole near constant peril quelling you have to do

and the ammo thing but thats not an issue often

[sullen bobcat]

Yeah with the 20 talents to reduce peril generation or increase quelling

[sullen bobcat]

Which is sorta bad

[true lake]

its still like 10 peril per

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve mostly been fire focused shrieking because I’ve been doing old school soulfire. But for a high peril build like say empower smite after big fix I can see it being really nice. You peril up and then nuke everything in front of you

[true lake]

so at best i will still only be able to throw like 10 or 11 shards then need to quell quite a bit to throw a good amount more

[sullen bobcat]

10 peril is legitimately nothing

[lament topaz]

Man the lightning is not at all good holy shit.

[true lake]

it is something when you are literally spamming assail

[sullen bobcat]

You probably killed the whole horde in like the first 6

[true lake]

it builds up quick

[zinc phoenix]

Empower it

[flint pawn]

10% chance to quell on kill helps a lot

[true lake]

it helps yeah

[lament topaz]

It is.

It's still bad.

[flint pawn]

Psionics 12.5% helps too

[lament topaz]

I want damage now not in ten minutes

[true lake]

i prefer guaranatee on elite kill but both work

[zinc phoenix]

You’re not doing it for the damage you’re doing it to lock down the entire map

[flint pawn]

I still quell a lot but I can usually more than afford to since DT ain't a solo game

[turbid thistle]

whats the setup allowing for unlimited smite?

[lament topaz]

Well it don't lock down for shit.

[zinc phoenix]

It jumps infinitely to everything within range

For zero peril

[outer wren]

Psionics is bugged or Tooltip is wrong. Doubt the tooltip is wrong.

[true lake]

empowered psionic stack with charged RMB on smite

dont rely on it tho its likely going to get fixed

[lament topaz]

I'll just go back to shards.

[sullen bobcat]

"nerfed" you mean fixed

[true lake]

because i have heavy doubts that they intended for smite to have the ability to be literally infinite

[flint pawn]

What's classified as Elites again? I know it's Bulwarks, Maulers and Crushers, idk if anything else

[true lake]

elites are any enemy that pops up in the kill feed but doesnt have a special spawn sound

[elfin citrus]

anything that shows up in the killfeed but doesnt announce its presence

[true lake]

usually enemies that still shoot or bonk you like normal enemies

so reapers, crushers, gunners, etc

[flint pawn]

Ragers and Gunners then

[elfin citrus]

and maulers

[true lake]

specials are ones that do something other than shoot or bonk normally and have special sounds

so hounds, bombers, trappers, etc

[lament topaz]

BRO IT DOESN'T STUN RAGERS

[flint pawn]

I still prefer 12.5% then

[lament topaz]

Lightning sucks

[true lake]

why stun rager when you can just charge up your force sword and one shot it

thats what i do at least

[lament topaz]

I was slowing the group that was around it.

It got close because it doesn't stun.

[zinc phoenix]

It absolutely does

[lament topaz]

bullshit.

he still swung.

[zinc phoenix]

Right click with empower, it stops them

[true lake]

it should still stun it, probably just depends on how you used it

[zinc phoenix]

It also stops muties

[true lake]

i know it for sure stops muties

watched it with my own two eyes in a match

[zinc phoenix]

I used it to stop whole packs of ragers

[rough egret]

So what are the preferred blessings for a purg staff nowadays

[sullen bobcat]

Yeah, empowered psionics is just bugged and it's applying the free perils cost to both smite and BB, but the smite one is just way more noticable

[true lake]

purg staff i always use nexus and flurry

idk if there is a "meta"

[zinc phoenix]

BB is far too shit for anyone to care in the new meta 😂

Where my “BB your target and everything around it” trait

[true lake]

its not shit its just not as out there with its power

[rough egret]

How about focused channeling

[sullen bobcat]

BB just needs a slight damage increase to hit some new bb. Assail needs nerfs in uptime

[zinc phoenix]

Potato potato

[true lake]

focused channeling is pretty good sometimes if you find yourself overwhelmed

[sullen bobcat]

And smite just needs a bit of peril reduction

[zinc phoenix]

Smite peril is a feature not a bug, you gotta shout the evil out

[flint pawn]

I have Surge and Chainsword for ragers, not worth the knives unless it's a mixed horde

[true lake]

smite is fine, just with empowered it is literally infinite lol

[rough egret]

how many times can you even re-bless a weapon? stopped playing before that system came out

[tall mango]

man

voidstrike is

[true lake]

you can only switch out 2 perks/blessings on a weapon before it is fully locked

[tall mango]

so obscenely strong

[near crow]

Empowered Smite may be infinite, but it also basically locks you in place

[tall mango]

actually one shotting bulwarks and shit

[sterile saddle]

yeh void buff is dope

[cinder moon]

just dodge

[sterile saddle]

favorite buff

[true lake]

you must learn the power of crab walk/dodge

[tall mango]

you can dodge to maintain some movement

[sterile saddle]

knives can eat my shorts. my stick can boom now

boooom stick

[near crow]

I know, but you're still a lot slower than everyone else

[true lake]

voidstrike was always fun but now its actually the meta lol

[sterile saddle]

yis

[outer wren]

Correct me if Im wrong, but Staffs, Shriek, and Assail all count as Warp based kills right?

[true lake]

yes

[sterile saddle]

yes

[toxic walrus]

What's the best staff now?

[flint pawn]

Empowered Force Sword attacks too

[sterile saddle]

'best staff'?

[true lake]

still purgatus for CC and voidstrike for single target damage/dps

[sterile saddle]

most of them are pretty situational

[true lake]

trauma lost its niche a bit it seems, havent seen anyone touching it

[toxic walrus]

neat, last time i was playing it was all about the taser staff

[sterile saddle]

surgestick is nice

[true lake]

surge staff is very different but pretty good