psyker-class

[long wharf]

my bad then, I never played V2

[bitter escarp]

Played VT2 well after release, after clocking a fair bit on VT1

[long wharf]

you really can't look at the previous Vermintide games and translate any of that to Darktide

[bitter escarp]

Hands off my copium

[long wharf]

FartShart started over from scratch with Darktide and purposefully discarded every lesson learned with the previous games

[bitter escarp]

Yeah look I'm with you there

I'm hoping that they check with the cheat sheet, so to speak

[near wyvern]

Yes you can. I thought myself to fight with melee playing VT2 between the closed beta and release.

[long wharf]

so what?

FartShart's behavior has been different in handling Darktide vs the previous Tide games

[bitter escarp]

Inb4 Tencent tangent

[cyan notch]

yea reds were in vt2 right from the start

[near wyvern]

As in they are actually patching things?

[long wharf]

they fucked up so bad that they basically had no choice but to start listening to the community

[blazing oak]

Did someone say tencent??

[long wharf]

I don't think you can blame Tencent for how Darktide is

[near wyvern]

From what I understand, tencent takes very little control over the companies.

They mostly allow them to be and just take the profit.

[bitter escarp]

Yeah part of investment portfolio

[long wharf]

I'm pretty sure that, if anything, FartShart sold Tencent on the idea of Darktide being a live service game, not the other way around

[bitter escarp]

Buuut there's a lotta people who get all ((( about Tencent

[long wharf]

talk about not understanding your customer base

[bitter escarp]

Also the studio's capabilities

[blazing oak]

People want a scapegoat but prefer if it isn’t the people that directly develop the game

[bitter escarp]

Live service requires throughput FS has never really demonstrated

[long wharf]

oh, FartShart grossly overestimated their ability to design content that people want

[blazing oak]

Why couldn’t they have just gone the vt2 route of development

Instead of live service

[long wharf]

kudos to their art folks, but their developers are straight incompetent

[bitter escarp]

Yeah and the xenophobia being whipped up doesn't help there

[blazing oak]

The game feels like a regular game with slow updates rather than a live service

[long wharf]

because it's not a live service game, regardless of what FartShart calls it

[blazing oak]

Also the speculated part where they scrapped a bunch of stuff probably didn’t help if it happened

[long wharf]

it doesn't behave like one, it doesn't feel like one, it doesn't have the support like one

[bitter escarp]

It does reek of mid project reboot

[blazing oak]

I’m convinced that the backstory stuff was part of the reboot since it clashes a lot with the personalities

[long wharf]

trust me, if the Steam reviews hadn't bottomed out, we'd be seeing week 4 of new premium cosmetics without significant game changes

[bitter escarp]

A lot of the lines remind me of really socially awkward people talking past each other

Occasionally they line up very nicely, and I suspect those are much more structured scripts

[blazing oak]

The longer conversations between characters are the best ones

[bitter escarp]

Yeah there's a bit where the Professional and Savant bond which I really quite enjoyed

[long wharf]

I wish the psyker would shut up about the liturgical scene on Atoma

[blazing oak]

I love when a character makes a voiceline on the beginning of the map and then the mission handler says something that makes no sense in response

[long wharf]

fuck it's so out of place and irrelevant

[near wyvern]

People don't understand that mega corporations like Tencent have so much money that the trouble is to find good investment opportunities for that volume.

Buying out game companies that do well is a good strategy for them since it offers a good investment that matches their volume.

Game companies sell to them because they know how volatile the gaming market is. One day you are in, one day you are out. If you make a bigger project as a small/mid size company it's an all in bet that you may very well loose.

Selling to Tencent means you can afford to make that 'dream game' and still continue doing what you love to do without the risk of loosing it all. Depending on the current market value of your gaming company you might get an amount from that deal that can also financially support a couple generations after yourself, so it's a no brainer to sell.

[bitter escarp]

Savant being a tour guide is one of the less appealing parts of the voice

[bitter escarp]

Capital g gamers don't understand much of anything bluntly

[blazing oak]

The longer conversations allow more of the personality to come through instead of one liners, which is really nice if you really like the personality

[bitter escarp]

Never you mind

[blazing oak]

The two I’ve heard for loner psyker were great

[bitter escarp]

It ain't good to be asking questions like that

[blazing oak]

“This torrent place is pretty interesting how people can live anywhere”

Zola: “some people escape the torrent”

[bitter escarp]

Yep

Doesn't add any colour, feels awkward and stilted like nobody is really listening to each other

[blazing oak]

It’s like do you have anything more to say or are you just gonna put that there and don’t elaborate

[bitter escarp]

Just a bunch of unsocialized and undiagnosed infodumpers vomiting screeds at each other

[blazing oak]

The loner psyker chat with fanatic/agitator where they prove they are better than high gothic than the fanatic/agitator was great and I want to hear it again

[bitter escarp]

Also, a lot of outright telling going on in the lines regarding the personalities of the command staff, it's less speculation and more "pls sympathy for Morrow and Zola"

The Professional breaking Cadia again is also something I want to hear more often

[bitter escarp]

Haven't heard this one I think

[blazing oak]

It’s good

The zealot has a little hissy fit while trying to remember to use high gothic “thee” and “thine”

[leaden thunder]

a lot of the more confrontationl lines only happen at low levels

[bitter escarp]

The fake posh one yeah?

[leaden thunder]

as you level up the voices start to be more respectful to each other generally

[bitter escarp]

I remember one of them as the Karen voice

[blazing oak]

I haven’t noticed a difference but the loner one was at max level

Both of the ones I heard were at max level

[leaden thunder]

I notice the zealots do less of the "do abhumans have souls" thing at high levels

etc

[bitter escarp]

And despite the Judge sometimes being the most cringe I did enjoy the little flashes of character growth

"It is...BURST!"

[leaden thunder]

judge is the most caring of the zealot voices

fanatic is just a psycho most the time

[blazing oak]

Judge not cringe

[leaden thunder]

agitator is a b1 tch

fucken automod

[void mural]

Digital rights management

[bitter escarp]

Broadly no, some absolute nodes of it though

Female Agitator is the Karen voice

[void mural]

I'm betting that darktide reds will have the extra 20% of the bar unlocked, and still be maxed out at 380 rating, maybe a bit more, like 460.

[bitter escarp]

Fanatic at least has a certain charm

[blazing oak]

Seer psyker is the personality where it’s fun to hear on other players but I don’t think I could use it full time

[bitter escarp]

Savant is the only one I can stand on my character

Wish he'd talk less about camelid racing or liturgical drama scenes though

[sick light]

Couldnt care less about Morrow and Zola. Hadron calling me a varlet is all I need lmao

I do love tech priests and ad mech in general so my opinion is extremely biased

[blazing oak]

Guess I just like crazy German voice

[sick light]

I picked female savant, french accent sounded silly and I liked it

[void mural]

I just made a crazy spiky haired person to match the crazy German voice and enjoy him complaining about everything

[sick light]

Well germans ARE very good at complaining

[bitter escarp]

"nothing to complain about" is indeed high praise

[past brook]

this was an emp gift for my psyker of all things, wondering if it's worth keeping or upgrading
kind of crap, but then again, combat axe, damage vs flak, and BM, so I dunno

[leaden thunder]

it's an achlys so it's kinda eh

[past brook]

I take it most people use the antax, or put up with the rashad's weird hitbox atm?

[bitter escarp]

Former

[leaden thunder]

pretty much, I really don't know what the use case of the achyls is, since the rashad(if you use it's broken hit box) is better single target and the antax is op with BM

[bitter escarp]

It's that item on the supermarket shelf that people can be smug about not buying

[leaden thunder]

if it's h1 actually cleaved like it looks like it should that'd be neat

but it doesn't

[bitter escarp]

"see that's a bad deal, I will go with the store brand or the fancy shit"

[leaden thunder]

the horizontal heavy is single target

for some reason

even with bm it's not a good cleave heavy

[past brook]

oh well

[ionic needle]

Haha, is that an addon that replaces the roman numerals?

[past brook]

ya, I'm not one much for the roman numerals

mods really make this game more appealing

[ionic needle]

They really do

I think scoreboard is my favorite one tbh, it's nice having it back from VT2

Even if it's a bit wonky and don't have the green circles

[past brook]

not including library mods, I think I've got something like 38 mods on? 40+ if you include stuff I don't use as often like 3p

[olive ember]

Smh

[ionic needle]

Oh

I have like 10 maybe

[olive ember]

someone hasn't played ffxii and ffxiv and hype for ffxvi

[past brook]

ofc that pales in comparison to the number of mods I run for starsector, but that's something else entirely

[digital loom]

actually not bad with right gear

you become street sweeper

[edgy kite]

So does just left clicking with a force sword + Slaughterer

Wildfire and AB is just so weak

[digital loom]

people keep saying that but i think they dont know what they're saying

[edgy kite]

Compared to the alternatives, it is just bad.

[drowsy slate]

I think wildfire and AB is great

But I think it goes best with daimos

You kill everything besides crushers 🤷

[olive ember]

eh wildfire is meh imo with AB and especially with purge

the problem is that wildfire has a built in cap of 4 stacks

it only splits up 4 stacks out among nearby enemies, but it also only transfers to enemies with less than 4 stacks

so on a normal purge build where you are either using the purge staff or using AB wildfire doesn't do much imo

[prisma perch]

I was using wildfire with purgatus and it was spreading blaze to things out of my range.. while it doesn’t increase damage it does give you a bit more reach at least

[olive ember]

I guess but you need 6 stacks to kill anything above a poxwalker I believe

especially with the recent flak dmg nerf

you need 6 stacks + warp unleashed or wte to kill scab shooters

[leaden thunder]

scab stalkers yeah

you kill shooters with just the 6

[olive ember]

ah mb

but if you take wildfire you are only going to get 4 stacks at most

on the distant mobs

[prisma perch]

Yeah it just weakens them and spreads your fire beyond your reach a bit

[olive ember]

if they revert flak burn dmg maybe it will be rly nice

[lunar hollow]

wildfire should just like

not have the stack cap

[olive ember]

idk why they put in the cap yeah

[lunar hollow]

it would be pretty useful if it didnt

[olive ember]

probably to stop monstrosity cheese I guess

where if you burned a horde and just all the stacks got transfered to a nearby boss

but at the same time its like

[lunar hollow]

that doesnt sound that bad

[olive ember]

I mean the only reason why infernus got nerfed was because it melted bosses

cuz at some point infernus didn't have a cap to its burn stacks iirc

they nerfed infernus, and recon las fell from grace with it

and then they decided to spit on its grave with the recent burn dmg nerf to flak lmao

[prisma perch]

I never got to experience to that

[olive ember]

Me neither rip

I haven't seen a single infernus on my recon las yet

plenty on my laspistols and mk 12's and even the fucking lucius

[prisma perch]

Lol, I’ve had it on mk12 and lucius too

The mk3 which is awful

People usually run carapace on trauma?

[olive ember]

um

I don't think so

normally maniac or flak

I think they used to run unarmoured to hit some kind of breakpoint with poxwalkers but im not too sure

if Arcotash is on yo

[spice veldt]

I run Unarmoured for dreg bruisers

[olive ember]

perfect timin

[prisma perch]

Okie dokie! Thank you 🙏

[spice veldt]

depends on what you usually use trauma for

if you're fine with just using your melee on dreg bruisers, then you can drop Unarmoured for other perks

[digital loom]

its not meh

[prisma perch]

I’ve been using illisi for hordes and stuff

[digital loom]

people who say its meh are just malding its not a nuclear bomb anymore

[prisma perch]

I guess flak would fit my playstyle most

[olive ember]

wildfire?

it was never a nuclear bomb lmao

it was always meh

[spice veldt]

another reason I run Unarmoured is that I'm too lazy to manage my warp charges to kill dreg stalkers (400 HP)

[olive ember]

and its even more meh now

[digital loom]

#1 threat in hishock isnt the specials its the horde that reduces your movement space

[olive ember]

rly now

[spice veldt]

well it's both

can't say that it's just one or the other

[digital loom]

specials are #1 in terms of priority but you need some good horde clear as well

or else mutant will grab you

and you will get tox flamered

or trapper will net you

and you will get tox... well wait a minute

doesnt that mean tox flamers are the #1 priority?

anyway

unlike purg that cant kill shit

trauma blaze works pretty good

[spice veldt]

Purg does kill

[prisma perch]

I was running cereberal laceration and 6 warp charges and just went with the 4% chance on kill to gain a charge. Got tired of brain bursting constantly!

[spice veldt]

and the shining feature of trauma was never the dps

[digital loom]

yeah but i'm not waiting 45 minutes for my meal to cook

[spice veldt]

it's the stagger

[digital loom]

obv

but its better than a purg staff at chokepoints because you dont obstruct vision

[prisma perch]

The thing that bugs me the most on psyker are mutants cause I’m used to killing them before they become a threat on vet

[spice veldt]

being able to inflict Soulblaze to everyone in a 16m conal area is quite good

[digital loom]

yeah

[spice veldt]

it only obstructs vision if you have bloom on

[digital loom]

only flaw of this blaze build is that i have to trade one shotting mutants

oh ok i'll make sure to tell the other 3 strangers in the game to make sure their bloom is off

every game

[spice veldt]

that's a shame

[digital loom]

"guys make sure your bloom is off so my staff doesnt blind you and also so other fire doesnt blind you"

"everybody turn off their bloom"

[prisma perch]

I’ve got dumb-ass surge on my trauma staff

[digital loom]

that would get me muted fast lmao

surge should work with right click, wtf

its so insulting that trauma can get surge

although its useable because you can kill shooters easily

[prisma perch]

When I get back to my pc I’ll share my trauma staff and I’m pretty salty about it

[digital loom]

easily-er

yeah

my friend has gotten surge four times all of them on trauma

i swear some sadistic asshole sets the rates

[prisma perch]

That’s rough

[digital loom]

"hmm yes today i will set this rare ability only to show up on the worst staff for it at 90% rate"

"now game is not call of duty"

[prisma perch]

Definitely feels that way, lol.

[digital loom]

anyway

i prefer having rending shockwave on trauma

but this blaze meme works

[prisma perch]

Maybe on tuesday they’ll fix surge? I’m gonna try to grind out some more blessings including shockwave.

[digital loom]

i saw lv 4 rending shockwave in melks back in january

i didnt realize then it was rare

havent seen it since

[prisma perch]

Jesus

Still though that’s not too long since launch can’t blame you

I didn’t get pc on vet until like 350 hours so I definitely get not seeing it again in melk shop

[olive ember]

all the t4 blessings are fairly rare I think

just that some blessings literally only have t4 so they are super rare

like bloodthirsty

[digital loom]

i dont have pc

still dont

last week i yellowed 43 power swords

never saw a t4 blessing

guess i should delete character and remake because my rng seed is bad

or uninstall

[blazing oak]

What do you play on? Steam deck?

[digital loom]

fridge

mom said its my turn to use the fridge

[supple skiff]

I have more hours on my psyker than I care to admit and have upgraded many force swords, have yet to see blood thirsty

Got lucky with slaughterer and deflector early though so I suppose I shouldn’t complain

[lunar hollow]

for some reason ive had crazy good luck getting t4-exclusive blessings

i got both power cycler and bloodthirsty from melk

[supple skiff]

I’ve only gotten power cycler and surge on a void

Never use my vet though

[prisma perch]

I totally get the frustration and disappointment.

[lunar hollow]

same

ive got a power cycler and slaughterer 4 psword

hardly use ity

and i know people who have 5 vet characters

just searching

[prisma perch]

I couldn’t imagine going through the levelling phase on the same char 5 times

It took me 7 - 9 hours to get my psyker to 30 and I thought that took too long

[lunar hollow]

yeah

levelling all classes to 30 was a slog

psyker and ogryn didnt feel good to me until i started getting BiS weapons

[prisma perch]

I haven’t done ogryn yet.. god help me

[lunar hollow]

grenade gauntlet is pure fun

you can punch the shit out of people, but from any distance

[prisma perch]

that sounds pretty cool!

[supple skiff]

Why would someone level multiple of the same character for items. That only gives a second milk roll no?

[lunar hollow]

yeah

[supple skiff]

Big not worth

[lunar hollow]

basically you just check melk shops on the web extension every day

for all the 'mule' classes

[supple skiff]

Yeah fuck that, we’re not mythic raiding here

[lunar hollow]

yeah i dont bother with it

but i actually get good rolls in melk shop enough to not warrant it

i know some people who go weeks without a worthwhile weapon

[supple skiff]

I check out of a curiosity more than anything at this point. Not holding out for god rolls, would rather just play the game and roll the dice with hadron

[digital loom]

good enough is good enough

breakpoints are dumb

as long as you are satisfied with how fast stuff is dying

[near wyvern]

You do realize breakpoints are exactly about making stuff die fast

[twilit flicker]

If it can't kill God in one swing, it's useless

If warp demons don't start crawling out of the swath of air I just cut through, I'm going to be very disappointed.

When I swing my big d sword, I want the seasons to change. Summer please!

[weak galleon]

Antax Mk5 and tactical axe Mk4 blessings dont apply to each other, right?

[digital loom]

"my weapon is 79% damage and all with my mountain of stacking buffs I still need 1% more damage on weapon to kill this crusher in 1 hit instead of 2 hits waaaah" And then the frustrated manchild who cant get the gear they want takes it out on other players

[spice veldt]

nope, since antax is a combat axe and the atrox are tactical axes

[digital loom]

godroll this bis that, while the stat chasing community stresses over ridiculous shit I will be clobbering crusher to death in two hits and not stressing myself into a perforated stomach

[jagged badger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046958142220668939/1096505247603626004/image.png

[digital loom]

yes

but i think you need the crit blessing to really make it work

although

does surge crit the second shot also?

if it does and they dont count as one attack, possibilities are endless

[jagged badger]

The Blessings seem bugged from what I can tell. Hence this reaction

[timid storm]

Good enough IS good enough, but if it can get better, why not? Why stop and be like "eh this is fine" and just not progress?

[digital loom]

because then you play the game how the devs want you to and it slowly becomes unfun

and before you know it you dont feel anything anymore

just the grind

and then its work you do for free in your free time

at that point why not just get a second job

if you owned your own save data i'd understand but in the future this game will sunset as all service games inevitably do and then you'll be left with nothing for all of the time you spent trying to get that 1%

or worse, the devs make it easier to obtain

turning your 800 hours into several easy clicks

or nerf it into oblivion

[spice veldt]

sounds like the player's fault for making this their only game

[digital loom]

so fine, you want to pursue gear that is fun for you, fine, just dont do it if it feels like work

[spice veldt]

I'm the type of person to play clicker games for 1000 hours, so I like the grind

[digital loom]

the perfect weapon was probably in your shop during an hour you weren't playin

[kind jay]

yoo we hopping on Cookietide?

[spice veldt]

probably?

are you trying to make me feel FOMO or something?

[digital loom]

statistically its most likely if you only play one or two hours a day that you will never get what you want

[clear heath]

I just like getting something good enough that i don't expect to get replaced by some random drop or whatever

[spice veldt]

yeah I'm well aware

you're preaching to the choir

[digital loom]

yeah json i feel same way

[twilit flicker]

That's a gripe I have with 40k, unrelated, well related but not really. It's power scaling, when everything is 200% badass 100% of the time, nothing is.

[spice veldt]

I said I like the grind, not getting what I want

I think you are misunderstanding what I mean

[digital loom]

devs could nerf bb tomorrow and i dont give a shit

but a lot of people who were on that grind will mald

[clear heath]

I want to finish a build and not be looking at the same weapon types thinking "shit i gotta roll that"

[digital loom]

hell yeah

[timid storm]

Playing the game the same way never changing becomes unfun, if you have better gear to look forward to, at least you have a goal

[spice veldt]

I like to play the game the same way

I've been doing that for 500 hours with trauma + obscurus

and now I'm doing that with trauma + illisi for 400 hours and going

[timid storm]

I play it the same way, but if I have nothing to look forward to, it gets a bit stale

[digital loom]

what good is 1% of damage if you're just going to get grabbed by a mutant and thrown into a sniper

hundreds of hours just to get dunked on by a computer program

[timid storm]

I clear damnation consistently, so it's not like K can just queue up another difficulty

[timid storm]

Dont get grabbed, they are very dodgeable

[spice veldt]

what's wrong with going for 1% damage for the sake of it?

[digital loom]

and even worse, tomorrow devs may decide what you use needs a nerf

[spice veldt]

they never made any mention of it performing better

[timid storm]

Or you're a psyker so clear the sniper

[spice veldt]

just that "better" is "better" even if it doesn't make any meaningful difference

[digital loom]

that was the entire premise i started on

trying to change the origin of the argument huh, ok

that's some next level goalposting

[spice veldt]

but you're responding to what they're saying

[digital loom]

trying to move my goalposts instead of yours

[spice veldt]

like if you want to continue your own argument

[lunar hollow]

i dont think theres necessarily a dichotomy to playing the game for fun and trying to get better gear

[spice veldt]

that's fine

[lunar hollow]

you will inevitably accumulate resources you can spend

[spice veldt]

but that's no longer a conversation that you solely own the moment you respond to somebody else

[lunar hollow]

unless you're strictly a sedition gamer in which case i have immense respect

[digital loom]

theres no point in trying to convince anyone anyway, its just a time passer

[timid storm]

So then adjust to that? If they make changes, cool, new goal

Plus usually when people go for better weapons, damagewise only breakpoints matter, and that's all people care about. For stats like warp resist, those stack with perks and all

[digital loom]

a normal internet argument is unwinnable, but an internet argument against people who like to gamble about why they shouldn't gamble is a whole nother level

[clear heath]

well really it's not like grinding to get better gear is any different to playing normally anyways

like what do you do, not spend plasteel?

either way you're getting the material

[digital loom]

yeh i agree. if they play for drops and stats and not the gameplay why not ask fatshark to just put them in the cash shop that way they dont have to play at all

[prisma perch]

For me darktide is all about the gameplay and everything else is a bonus

[timid storm]

No one plays just to get weapons? They get weapons to play better?

If they add them to the shop, less grind but the game still gets played

[prisma perch]

I do get excited when I get a new t4 blessing though

[digital loom]

i wonder how many people in here would whale while complaining about it if fatshark put plasteel in the cash shop

[fierce sinew]

what would actually be nice (that they'll never do) is a currency exchange

[digital loom]

as long as whatever they do doesn't create an avenue for a bot industry to pop up

[fierce sinew]

where the whales can trade their whalebux for other players' plasteel and vice versa

let the market decide a fair rate

[digital loom]

since people intelligent enough to buy fake supply for fake demand are precisely the same group of people that shamelessly -- nonstop and create an unplayable bot infested environment for everybody else

[fierce sinew]

whales can now pay not to play, non whales can now play game for cash shop cosmetics. Everyone's happy

[digital loom]

while we're add it

at it

add a seperate matchmaking tier for people who are spending enough to impact gameplay

call it deluxe or premium or something

that way they stay out of general pop

[fierce sinew]

bot infestation is a f2p problem

[digital loom]

yes

[prisma perch]

tf2 is in a shitty state cause of bots

[digital loom]

i like how bdo does it to be honest

its a 15$ credit card check where they dont refund the money

[fierce sinew]

the nice thing about darktide (at least for now) is there's a price tag attached to bad behavior

[digital loom]

there's no economy to pump

[fierce sinew]

when it goes proper f2p I'm out lmao

[digital loom]

the only thing we'd have to worry about is account selling

[fierce sinew]

broke third worlders can have my scraps

if that happens

[digital loom]

i never have anything against the industry

its wrong to blame them for supplying to demand

[steel flame]

It's not like that's gonna make them not shit at the game

[digital loom]

its always demands fault

unless its hard drugs with serious addictions, but that's being pedantic

[steel flame]

God rolls can't save you from stupid

It's terminal

[digital loom]

it depends

lost ark gets around this dilemma by turning their content into complex captchas that no bot can solve

i believe they call them raids

[fierce sinew]

bots are the least of lost ark's problems

[digital loom]

but games with a gearscore system and no real means to filter b ased on ability worry me

bots only exist because of demand, its not their fault

the irony is that the economic model the game runs on creates that demand in the first place

[fierce sinew]

it's a shit model yeah

[digital loom]

in lineage 2 my guild had an arrangement with the chinese adena farmers

[fierce sinew]

people mindlessly blame the bots because ags tells them to and ignore the artificial grind that manufactures the demand for the bots in the first place

[digital loom]

we didnt get anything

besides fun

the agreement was to stay out of our areas during certain times and we'll come pk for them if they need help

as a pvp/pk guild this was win win

nothing more american than using one country as an excuse to attack another

[fierce sinew]

loa bots make me a lot of (in game) money, riding the ban wave cycle is the easiest babymode day trading scheme in the world

[digital loom]

yeah its fucked

when things were still like private hosted servers, you could get banned fast

but on those corporate owned shitholes everything is slow

actual gm staff is not seen as a necessary expenditure, its left to like two guys and a bot

[fierce sinew]

over a million gold f2p just buying botfarmed tradeskill mats when the bots are alive and selling the crafts at inflated rates when they're dead

[digital loom]

lmao giga brain

[fierce sinew]

the most efficient way to progress is just to be AH goblin

it sucks

[digital loom]

yeah its bad when the playerbase is more lucrative to play than the game

[fierce sinew]

I have guildies quitting every week now from burnout

grinding raids on 6 characters

for fixed rate gold that means nothing because of bot inflation

clown game

3000+ hours and I tell anyone who asks me if they should play that they shouldn't

[digital loom]

it was good on launch just to progress the story

but even that is shit now

[fierce sinew]

the actual combat and raids are fun, it's a shame I can't just pay a sub and get those without an entire predatory circus economy attached

[twilit flicker]

I really liked that convo. personally I kinda like the grind when I'm looking for something specific but if I get bored or tired of looking ill move on to something else.
Really the only time I get frustrated is in the actual game, I start stessing out tryharding when the team cant stick together, or were moving too slow or fast. I almost never complain though, next time will be better.
It all about being self aware, right?

Like if you're really having a shit time, maybe it's time to take a break if not for yourself then for others?

[proper elbow]

Did the flamer nerf affect Psyker or does it not since Soulblaze isnt technically fire?

[blazing oak]

Soul blaze was affected

[twilit flicker]

I was also wondering that, "burning dots" didn't sound specific enough. I guess now we know, soulblaze counts as burning.

[spice oar]

deflector is a rare enough blessing...right?

[north solstice]

rarer

why do you ask?

[spice oar]

just someone told me its very common and when i told them i havnt gotten it after 200 hrs they just told me im comparing a t1 blessing to a t4

[spice veldt]

it exists at 4 tiers so it's relatively common I would think

[spice oar]

so kinda confused

[spice veldt]

bad luck then

[spice oar]

it does???

[north solstice]

yeah it has t1-t4

[spice oar]

wtf

[north solstice]

although the differences are minimal

[spice oar]

and i havnt seen it once

[clear heath]

i have a lot of weapons with t1-t3 deflector

[north solstice]

its like a 9(?)% diff from t1 to t4

[spice oar]

what the actual fuck

[clear heath]

Idk how you haven't at least seen t1 deflector in the hourly shop

unlucky

[spice oar]

cause its filled with axes

[north solstice]

lol

[spice oar]

and autopistols

[north solstice]

what lvl is your psyker?

im assuming max?

[spice oar]

yeah

[proper elbow]

Its not a rare blessing so just buy a bunch of force swords and only upgrade them to blue

[spice oar]

this shit might aswell be the holy grail with how illusive it is

HONOR IS ALL

[long osprey]

Took me a while to see deflector in the shop

But once I got it at least for the first it’s more frequent

[prisma perch]

I’ve had t4 deflector twice the last two days upgrading illisi swords

Was trying to get slaughterer t4

Rolling trauma staffs now though so maybe melk will bless me

[long osprey]

Just miss the t4 rending

[prisma perch]

I’d like to have uncanny t4 for force swords and the shockwave for trauma 💪

[spice oar]

Kinda wanna get surge and sustained fire and just left click to victory

[vale creek]

trauma staff feels so good 😭

[digital loom]

i wonder how bad blaze is without crit blessing

i will report back

[vale creek]

tried it first time

[digital loom]

becoming a little unhinged here but wish me luck

i tried this once before but wildfire didnt exist

so i will try it with wildfire and see if there is a difference

[long osprey]

What is base crit on trauma?

[digital loom]

dunno

[stable silo]

why would u run wildfire without the mighty AB

[leaden thunder]

should be 5%

same as normal for psyker weapons without modified crit chance

[digital loom]

that sounds about right

i usually get one every 10 shots

[long osprey]

On trauma I run quicken with 6 charges so I can spam full charges

[digital loom]

yeah i had to give up one shotting mutants and a lot of elitess for this

but i am going to experiment with wildfire this time since it exists now

will probably fiddle with staff a few timess

[rigid sky]

Gentlemen. It is with great pleasure that I inform you I just got pick n mix by accident in a ventilation purge sniper gauntlet.

[digital loom]

hell yeah

[long osprey]

[rigid sky]

Literally just 5 snipers. Thank you bio optic feedback veteran without a good long range weapon who accidentally helped me get it.

[void mural]

Nice work!

So far I've gotten all my penances on accident

[rigid sky]

Just got malleus monstronum and my 99th and 100th wins to go for the last hood now

[ionic needle]

what are the dump stats for voidstrike? quell speed is fine above 60 and I guess warp resistance isn't that important?

[rigid sky]

Did you get going out with a bang yet? I had to force that but I managed it in a random group

[void mural]

Got the throwing people off cliffs with a trauma staff on the bridges to a hacking room

Just was doing stuff, and suddenly penance

[rigid sky]

I think I did it the same way but with a dodge+F combo

But that was partially on purpose

Partially because it was a good move to win the mission with anyway

Trauma is too hard lol

I play psyker, aiming is for blunts

[void mural]

Eh, if there's enough density, it's pretty easy if I can do it on accident

[cold geode]

aiming is needed for every weapon, psyker or not

[fierce sinew]

the way I see some goofballs surging the horde I think some of them must have their monitors off

they surely wouldn't do something so pointless on purpose

...right?

[rigid sky]

Man that's what illisi is for

[digital loom]

build actually works

staff doesnt tho

and while the feats do work together

why would i not pick warp batter and wrath unleashed if i want to bb

those two perks give me better bb, better deimos, much more synergy

dont like ascendant blaze for warp charge generation

your allies and you will be murdering the shit out of everything before it can burn to death

would be better to run communion and quicken for the big cc

4 stack quicken would have more effect on specials than blaze will tbh

you can shut down those 6 tox flamers and 3 trappers with one quicken long enough for your team to square their timber

[naive junco]

good god vets just get worse and worse. 2 vets in a game that rolled 90% ranged shooters and they dont even bother to pick off all the shooter trash ripping us apart.. instead just trying to outkill 2 psykers BBing all the elites.

[digital loom]

its not even a scoreboard related thing

some people just have really poor awareness

[thorny edge]

any good?

[edgy kite]

Ok i'm convinced that bullshit pick n' mix penance is bugged

[digital loom]

its not

[edgy kite]

because i just got 5 headpops within 12 seconds 110% guaranteed

on heresy

[digital loom]

they have to be all different pokemon

[edgy kite]

No they don't

[digital loom]

ok

[edgy kite]

It's worded like that, but they don't.

It's just another borked fatshark tooltip

[digital loom]

goddammit

[cyan portal]

pick n mix is easy to solo. Just load into hi int shock troop and wait by start of level for a disabler wave to spawn, then bb them all. You need the right build to get the bb fast enough for the time limit.

[digital loom]

everybody getting surge on trauma this weekend

[edgy kite]

I know, you need to run Kinetic barrage, and it's not easy to solo when you've got teammates going ham

[cyan portal]

I did it on the trainstation assassination one. Sat at the drop down point, then a wave of disablers spawned behind. I popped a couple shot gunners out front then popped ult and turned around to pop some trappers.

3 bots weren't an issue

[edgy kite]

I can't even make it 5 steps in a solo game before players join

[cyan portal]

set it to private and queue with a friend who will agree to just idle?

[edgy kite]

Haven't got anyone on my friends list that plays darktide

I was told about a spot on the comms plex level, but i haven't seen it in 3 days.

[cyan portal]

maybe ask if mourningstar if someone could help you with a penance for 10 minutes? make a friend

[edgy kite]

Yeah I'll try tomorrow

[jade geode]

Damn, I didn't think of that.
I wonder if you can get it on Hunting Grounds really easily too o.o

[edgy kite]

Not if you've got teammates spamming the hounds as soon as they spawn, also for some reason you can't get out with a bang on hunting grounds

I killed 4 hounds with the 100% peril pop, and didn't get the penance

[cyan portal]

bang requires elites, not specials

[edgy kite]

Figured they were the same thing, ah well

TIL

[gloomy yarrow]

I have gone through like 14 shredder pistols where is my fucking pinning fire

[spice veldt]

the game tends to use "elite" to mean both elites and specials in feat descriptions

[edgy kite]

Fucks a flash mission?

[cold geode]

not in game

[edgy kite]

Wonder what it'll be

[digital loom]

no i take it back

4 stack quicken is worse than i remember

[orchid shadow]

What's Voidstrike like these days? I haven't used it since leveling since my aiming ability is all sorts of ass, but Melk has this for sale.

[edgy kite]

Good staff imo, i enjoy using mine, that's a good one, I'd re-roll the blazing spirit blessing though personally

[leaden thunder]

that's a good fucken base staff

get that and swap blazing spirit to transfer peril and you have basically a perfect void

[orchid shadow]

Okay, I'll get it then. Not like the shop has anything worth buying in the last two weeks.

[edgy kite]

Hasn't had anything good in like a month for me

I wish melks store reset every 12 hours instead of 24

hell, maybe even 6.

[orchid shadow]

It'd be nice to be able to spend a currency to bribe Melk to refresh the stock

[edgy kite]

Yeah, more uses for gold would be nice

Even the ability to buy crafting resource packs or something

never got enough plasteel

[subtle linden]

which one to extract

if only it rolled base dmg higher

[steel flame]

What's so bad about 4 stack quicken?

[lucid terrace]

Buy it and then sell it

[steel flame]

It only a 14 second ult

[graceful aurora]

Brothers, I found this very fun in my last run and am looking for a beter one. Is this a good'n?

[edgy kite]

Stats are aaight, blast radius isn't really needed on voidstrike imo, but the blessings are ass

I wouldn't buy it imo

[obtuse moth]

have this on offer in the store, i cant remember if this is the good single target combat axe or if its the other non-antax https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/168579709993615361/1096606615647563947/image.png

[digital loom]

achlys is the one thats all overheads

atrox is the one that's a little less overheads

both have same heavy pattern basically tho

[leaden thunder]

acylhs has a horizontal

but it's not a cleave heavy

[digital loom]

yeah the first heavy

i like it with bm because it staggers everything it doesnt kill

so i use heavy light light with that axe

[blazing oak]

Is melk with the rogue trader Captain or under Grendyl

[steel flame]

why not both

[long wharf]

he needs to be under a boot heel until he stops giving us garbage

[north solstice]

buy this to strip blessing off?

[long osprey]

unstable power is pretty neat to use if you go for the max peril + quelling for toughness

You just go around spamming sword special attack

[north solstice]

ill take that as a yeah

[long osprey]

If you use illisi, the deimos you cant really spam

Sadly

[cyan notch]

atrox is a tac axe

[young garnet]

havent played psyker since launch whats the go to staffs currently

[quasi iris]

they're all pretty good

[steel flame]

all of them

psyker can run pretty much anything he wants

[quasi iris]

the staffs are basically just different ways of taking down large groups of enemies

[steel flame]

psyker is strong with the auto pistol and all the staves. laspistol works well too but requires headshots to get maximum value

[young garnet]

soulfire build get any better?

[long wharf]

nope

[steel flame]

its about the same

it lost its flack 2x dmage

[long wharf]

not with the nerf in the last patch

[steel flame]

but its still soulblaze

[olive ember]

funny burn dmg to flak got cut in half

fucked with a bunch of off meta builds on psyker

its slightly noticeable on the typical purge + AB build but not enough to make it not good

[steel flame]

wrack and ruin got caught in the crossfire

[olive ember]

still a pain in the ass tho

[vagrant frigate]

she'll have to do for now...

[olive ember]

oh not bad not bad

[copper torrent]

Has anyone been theorycrafting/testing alternatives to the Shredder if it gets nerfed to oblivion?

[kind jay]

have you asked melk? i think he might know

[fallow falcon]

The milk man delivered

What do you think, infested to flak?

[north solstice]

sprint efficiency 🤤

[supple skiff]

[sick light]

Fellow schizophrenia wizards, which perks and blessings should I aim for in the weapons? If anyone also has a decent guide on which I can learn I'd be grateful as well. Don't want to be the guy that just asks around and doesn't do any effort

[sudden isle]

I'll second this notion if anyone has any suggestions I am level'ing a psyker

[sick light]

Which diff are you playing, btw?

[long wharf]

and yet you asked an open ended question here before googling for yourself

[sick light]

I did google but didn't find anything consistent

Thus me asking here

[sudden isle]

Also have things changed from nov/dec 2022?

and buffs to staves?

[long wharf]

considering you can't do anything remotely related to customizing your weapons without getting random stuff, just play the game

play with different weapons on your own

[spice veldt]

I'm not sure if there are any weapon guides, so you'll probably have to ask some targeted questions about specific weapons

[spice veldt]

I'm too lazy to talk about the specific changes, so I'll just say that Psyker is in a pretty good state right now
The trauma staff got its peril generation reduced by basically half

[long wharf]

psyker as a whole is in a much better state

some feats have been addressed, others still need addressing

staff blessings are better, but still not great

[sudden isle]

seems to be three different staff play style, flamer, aoe ground, and zappy

aoe ground dose the most damage?

[spice veldt]

not exactly, but it does have a lot of stagger and AoE

none of our staffs have particularly remarkable single-target DPS currently

no new staffs either since release

[sudden isle]

power sword is like the assasin thing

along with brain burst?

[spice veldt]

but we did get a better single-target force sword and a faster power sword

[sudden isle]

sweet

[spice veldt]

so melee psyker is a particularly strong playstyle now

[ornate hamlet]

2 best blessings for trauma staff?

[spice veldt]

i'd pick from either Warp Flurry, Rending Shockwave, or Focused Channeling

[ornate hamlet]

gotcha

[spice veldt]

Warp Nexus + Blazing Spirit also works from what I've been seeing from other players here, though I haven't used that combination before

most people usually run warp flurry + rending

focused channeling is just something I personally like

[ornate hamlet]

whats the best way to farm t4 blessings? just pick a high level staff and upgrade it twice?

[sudden isle]

any particular feats that are stronger than others? In ogryns its pretty cut and dry for the most part

[spice veldt]

I'd say that there are always at least two feats in a particular line that are always good

there's really only one bad option at most in all the feat lines off the top of my head

[ornate hamlet]

wildfire seems to be the best feat for fire staff ngl

[spice veldt]

maybe; I personally just do whatever uses up the resource I have most of (if I have a lot of dockets, I spam Brunt's Armory. If I have a lot of plasteel, I upgrade weapons up to orange)

something that the description doesn't tell you is that Wildfire does not target enemies that already have 4 or more soulblaze stacks

[cold geode]

umm, thanks handron?

id rather have unstable 4 but this will do

[spice veldt]

that's a shieldgryn sword if I've ever seen one (shieldker?)

[copper torrent]

Melk.

[spice veldt]

Any of the feats that aren't crossed out are generally good
I wouldn't say that the crossed-out feats are bad, and you could make them work with certain builds or a specific purpose in mind; but they are a bit niche

Quietude is particularly good with the recent quelling changes, though it also depends on the peril that your weapons usually generate. It has a bit of an anti-synergy with Inner Tranquility.
Warp Unleashed currently affects all damage, including non-force weapons and all that jazz, so that's also pretty good.
Beyond that, I'd leave the other feats up to personal preference or whatever build you're using

[sudden isle]

Thank you!

[long osprey]

TBH i really like quicken for the trauma staff

As you can generate 6 warp charges really quick

and you can spam full charges alot with it

[orchid venture]

Yknow, i was having a pretty bad time playing Zealot, forcing myself to try and make hammer work, and ended up picking up psyker again, got a pretty beefy illisi sword, and I'm having a great time again

(:

I was mostly having a bad time with hammer cause i was trying to make it do something it wasn't designed to do (kill hordes)

[primal plume]

fire staff is the worst staff in the game

[ornate hamlet]

idk i love purgatus staff. void staff seems to feel the worst to me. Idk maybe im just dogshit with it

[primal plume]

purge leaves you with only 1 long range option

or even mid range

it just completely guts your options

[formal flume]

Funnily enough, I’ve managed to make the eviscerator work better than the Thammer

[orchid venture]

I was talking in the zealot chat a couple days ago and everyone was just Adamant that thammer was perfect now. I just... don't see it....

[hollow steeple]

I mean, your team can usually cover for that
and in return you get great damage, crowd control and easier warp charge generation

[spice veldt]

purg sucks for pushing sections with shooters, but I think of it as a staff that does bump up your win rate nevertheless since you can always bait shooters backwards. The only maps where I can think of it being particularly bad are maps with holdout events that don't have a lot of cover (e.g., Relay Station 2nd half of its finale, Silo Cluster finale)

[orchid venture]

I haven't tried evicerator in a hot minute though, i should try to get a good one

[spice veldt]

since being able to cleave through Crushers and monstrosities is quite powerful

I wouldn't want to be on a 4 purg team though

[orchid venture]

Void staff is just kinda like, a different long range trauma staff

[marsh kayak]

im gonna say it. i hate the trauma staffs ground targetting

[orchid venture]

It's fun to use, unless you don't have a veteran that wants to take care of shooters, then you just wish you had a surge staff

[spice veldt]

I'd say the stagger and AoE are a significant enough advantage over voidstrike's longer range

since the voidstrike does have a 6 cleave limit on its epicentre

if it didn't have that limit, I'd say it'd be comparable with trauma

[orchid venture]

Yeah, I've been thinking for a long time that trauma staff needs longer range targeting, so you don't have to aim up as high

[spice veldt]

but most maps sections aren't long enough to punish the short range, though stairs will fuck it up

[marsh kayak]

deadass i hate staring at the fukn ceiling

[orchid venture]

It's not great.

What I've REALLY been waiting for is a long range sniper type of staff

[hollow current]

Trauma's greatest weakness: Stairs.

[spice veldt]

maybe if the shooter AI was better to hold their positions instead of rushing forward

[orchid venture]

I guess the long range staff is just brain burst though

[spice veldt]

well I think scab shooters do that but not stalkers which usually make up the bulk of ranged enmies

with the caveat that BB has terrible DPS

[marsh kayak]

i want a laser staff, loke one that shoots continuously and builds peril the longer u hold it

the right click can be a grenade or some shit

[orchid venture]

3 BBs to take care of a single reaper is a little unacceptable to me ngl

[spice veldt]

guns also have a hard time with reapers

just that hipfire guns and veterans with their innate suppression ignore on ult make reapers seem weak

staff LMBs all stagger reapers with a single hit

[orchid venture]

I love a single good bb to open up a bulwark though, that feels great to do

[spice veldt]

I kind of like reapers for preventing me from just rushing ranged patrols with melee

makes it less braindead

i want my peril glock

[hollow current]

I do this and judge my team by how often/quickly/prepared they are to take advantage of the opening

[orchid venture]

I had a TH zealot that was HUNGRY for that opening the other day, we worked great together

[spice veldt]

on NA West, I don't get many teammates who take advantage of the opening

I guess they don't trust themselves to DPS the bulwark down or figure that my second BB will kill them quickly

since I usually have my kinetic barrage ult up for bulwark encounters most of the time

[hollow current]

It's up in the air on teammates who can dunk on bulwarks and those who still haven't figured outhow to bait them to open up themselves with their swing.

[marsh kayak]

yo fr tho whats the hardest carry psyker build rn?

the club cant even handle me right now

[spice veldt]

I'd vote for the trauma staff as the most map agnostic suggestion solely because of the stagger

[orchid venture]

It depends on how good you are and your team comp. I carry with a good surge staff build since it makes shooters a non-issue

[spice veldt]

handles situations where you come out of elevators/airlocks with crushers waiting

or a 16.8 diameter circle of stagger for shooters (at 80% blast radius)

[hollow current]

Yeah Trauma's versatility/potential seems pretty great once you get lucky enough to roll a good staff.

[orchid venture]

What's been killing my teams lately is when a shooter squad gets a chance to all get behind cover and spread out massively, which is something that surge staff handles extremely well

[spice veldt]

if the enemies have cover and it's spread out, then that means that I also have cover to rush them with melee

[hollow current]

That's when I slide in with my deflector sword and chop up the front line.

[spice veldt]

of the map sections that fit that description, I can think of throneside maps off the top of my head

that one section of excise vault right after the 1st medicae as well

[orchid venture]

I only recently picked up an illisi with deflector and... i forgot the crit blessing, but a level 4 crit blessing.

Does the peril block feat work with deflector yet?

[spice veldt]

it's always worked with deflector

[orchid venture]

There was a time where it didn't, at least I think...

[spice veldt]

I also recommend just taking slaughterer over a crit blessing

shred is meh, riposte is meh, bloodthirsty is still meh in comparison to slaughterer

[clever verge]

Purgatus + deimos with slaughterer and deflector

100% clutch ratio with map knowledge

[orchid venture]

Eh, it came free with the sword, I'll take it over needing to roll for another 369 illisi

[hollow current]

you can roll with a illi that dumps warp res hard.

[spice veldt]

t4 slaughterer at max stacks is a direct 1.75x increase to damage, cleave, and stagger

on the other hand, crits are much less impressive

oh right, those numbers are for the special

since the special has a reduced crit multiplier compared to the normal attacks

[hollow current]

What if they reverted blood thirsty to five seconds of crits.

[spice veldt]

I still wouldn't take it over slaughterer, but I'd take that over unstable power

would also make blazing spirit builds proper viable on the force swords again

[orchid venture]

It's not like I'd have much trouble with a profane illisi, as long as i rolled near 370 on modifiers

[spice veldt]

i suppose good enough is good enough

[marsh kayak]

sweet thats what im on rn

[orchid venture]

Illi kinda busted even without slaughterer

[spice veldt]

das true

but what about even more busted

[clever verge]

Use animation cancel for eternal stagger and ult with ascendent blaze against shooters to advance with melee

[hollow current]

Illi is so good for toughness regen too. No sticky animation.

Or you can spam special and then vent,

[clever verge]

In solo do crabwalk and animation cancel to slow down chasing enemies. You can kite for eternity aka until everything burns down

[marsh kayak]

whats the animation cancel??

[lean badge]

siblings, need advice on this one, what blessing should i change?

[orchid venture]

I think power is better than rending

[clever verge]

L-click attack + insta press R. Has double range of standard attack and staggers everything

[marsh kayak]

thanks brother

[hollow current]

executor imo.

[clever verge]

ayo, good luck hardcarrying pubs

[marsh kayak]

trying to bro

[clever verge]

Purgatus psykers are rarity these days, majority fell for trauma or gunpsyker builds heresy

[marsh kayak]

i dont fw gun builds, hate competing for ammo

also u use the soulblaz perk on ur sword or slaughterer??

[clever verge]

t4 slaughterer and t3 deflector

[marsh kayak]

sweet

[clever verge]

Also i recommend using quitide talent, the one that restores toughness for quelling

In solo toughness sources are limited

[shrewd nest]

I'm sad for my gun psyker...

[marsh kayak]

its ok bro, just play veteran

[shrewd nest]

I just broke my psyker's shredder for the t4 pinning fire to toss on my vet too...then my vet rolled t4 pinning fire IMMEDIATELY after doing that

Now I need to rebuild a shredder for psyker, though not so bad since I don't play that much, usually use surge staff if I want to use the illisi and fuck crouds with melee, which is why I'd usually gun psyker too

[clever verge]

This. If you enjoy shooty-shooty play class designed for guns

[pale basalt]

fuck you?

[shrewd nest]

It's a different vibe, and any fun variety to be done is very welcome in a game that's slow on giving us more shit to do

[clear heath]

suffering from success

[kindred knoll]

(new psyker) do we have any special melee weapons?

[languid marsh]

Blaze force swords

[twilit flicker]

yes the blaze force sword, three different types too!

[shrewd nest]

Illisi and deimos force swords are our 2 cracked loves now

[clear heath]

Force Swords and Duelling Swords

[kindred knoll]

cool thanks

[shrewd nest]

There's the crowd flavor, the single target flavor, and the shit flavor, such variety between force swords!

[clever verge]

Go steal more ammo from veterans for ur puny autopistol

[pale basalt]

gross shredder is meta and i dont do that

[shrewd nest]

Deimos has long dodges and is great single target with being good horde clear, illisi is shorter dodges and is great at horde and just good on single target, also illisi is nice for getting toughness back through either warp absorption or quietude

[ionic needle]

Shredder psyker is a billion times more fun than vet though

[pale basalt]

get so sick of gatekeeping mansplaining twats. if it works great for you.

[shrewd nest]

Would like to ask what difficulty you play on at least

[pale basalt]

damnation 24/7

[clever verge]

Gunpsykers never advanced from malice sadly

[shrewd nest]

meta is good, though gatekeeping it isn't

I enjoyed my gunpsyker jaunt strictly on damnation

Though with illisi coming out, I like it with surge so much more than with gun psyker

[kindred knoll]

wait what is this shredder we are talking about?

[shrewd nest]

Shredder auto pistol

You combine it with 2 different blessings (pinning fire and blaze away) which boost your power as you shoot, which in turn boosts the power of ascendant blaze feat, letting to burn a horde down then either tap fire into the horde or shoot at priority targets to keep it burning harder

[ionic needle]

It's a lot more fun running KB than AB though

[shrewd nest]

Also works with your force sword blessings that just boost power, like slaughterer and the one that boosts power as peril increases

It works whichever way, biggest thing is that shredder is a cracked gun with those blessings and works with anyone who can use it

[ember hornet]

shitting on gunpsykers using autopistol - meanwhile autopistol is best gun in the game

literally better than every staff

which is dumb yes

[clever verge]

Then again, you depend on ammo and that very limits clutching possibilities

[shrewd nest]

Depends, and using ammo is a legitemate detriment to it

[ember hornet]

just pair it with illisi and win

ez

[clever verge]

Speaking from experience, gunpsykers are always the first to go down when HISTG hits hard

[shrewd nest]

I still prefer pairing a surge with illisi, but gunspyker good too

[ionic needle]

Ammo is only ever a problem if you're either shooting too much or run HI T5 without a vet

[shrewd nest]

Guns make you squishier than staves

[clever verge]

Which is like 50% of lobbies?

[ionic needle]

That's very true

[shrewd nest]

Cause you have no CC to keep you from getting hit

And have to focus more on targets than some staves

[ionic needle]

Yepp, it's a lot more of a glass cannon loadout

[ember hornet]

it's hardly glass cannon

maybe not on shock but below you can almost just hold W

cause the weapons are so strong

[shrewd nest]

Surge stuns, trauma blows people away and staggers, voidstrike does little stagger, purg can left click stagger, shredder has none of that

[clever verge]

just braindead DPS

[shrewd nest]

100% glass cannon

More offense, less defense

And ammo 🤮

[ember hornet]

toughness, infinite force sword dodges, still have BB

[clear heath]

wdym none? autopistol has stagger and suppression

[ionic needle]

Shredder does have a lot of stagger though, and if you run PA you'll have PW up often enough to get more control

[clever verge]

Nothing feels better than votekicking psykers from lobbies tbh

[ember hornet]

I run quicken for spamming force push if I'm playing zealot psyker

[clever verge]

*gunpsykers

[ember hornet]

oh a vote kicker

[shrewd nest]

Now that is super rude

[ember hornet]

you can fuck right off

[shrewd nest]

Hardly a valid reason

[clever verge]

Idc, i play with friends. Become useful or go malice

[shrewd nest]

Is a gun psyker worse than any zealot?

Gun psyker is useful

[clever verge]

Explain

[shrewd nest]

Players can be unuseful with it, but of course it's useful still

It kill hard

[ember hornet]

you might think zealots are bad from knifers/evis players/bad flamer users

[clear heath]

autopistol is just broken

[shrewd nest]

Shredder fucks

[ember hornet]

but zealot is very good

[shrewd nest]

Oh, I do think zealot is bad from kinda their everything, though I'd be happy to be told why I'm wrong, but I don't like em and think them weaker ( and mor boring) they were my first character, but just no thanks mostly

[clever verge]

We have vet's kantreal for that. If gunpsykers decides to steal ammunition, it's insta votekick

[ember hornet]

zealot has some of the strongest CC, highest survivability, and most mobility in the game

if played correctly they shut down all ranged

[shrewd nest]

I don't see how a heavy sword + shredder or what be is notably better than psyker with illisi and shredder, both are good

[kindred knoll]

what I gather is get a force sword and a shredder auto pistol

then play

[clever verge]

Sounds like an egoistic class

[shrewd nest]

Cringe you

[ember hornet]

I can also kill monstrosities faster than anything else with a hammer

delete tons of stuff in 1 hit

deletes hordes with shotgun

[ionic needle]

We also have BB to compensate for the weakness against carapace

[ember hornet]

snipe with shotgun

[ionic needle]

Which is nice

[clever verge]

oh yeah, bonkhammer zealots are highly appreciated

However most of them don't play mentioned weapon correctly

[ionic needle]

Still corners is kinda obviously just trolling, don't get all upset

[ember hornet]

stuns are the best grenade by far

[shrewd nest]

I haven't touched hammer much, deffinitely trying to get and use a good one, I do know it fucks bosses harder than anything

[ember hornet]

hammer is kinda hard to make good

needs practice and blessings

[clever verge]

That's a massive copium, sir

[ember hornet]

base hammer stats are undertuned so it requires power blessings

[clever verge]

And low hp build

[shrewd nest]

I have a godroll heavy sword, but just feels like a boring version of illisi to me, and doesn't make a niche for itself

[clear heath]

no one actually does low hp build in this game

those people aren't real

[ember hornet]

pretty much yeah

I'm trying to make low HP attack speed work hammer work lol

but it's just too risky

[shrewd nest]

This ain't vermintide 2 with temp health, there really is no low hp build at all, that's a passive extra

[clever verge]

Well they exist. If you don't aggro every deamonhost and bonk it to death, you're not a real gamer

[ember hornet]

too much fuckery in the game

and the low HP feats are bad

to use intentionally

[shrewd nest]

Agro every daemonhost

Votekick psyker with an autopistol

[ember hornet]

I love going into lights out and killing every DH lol

[clever verge]

That's called gaming

Also I used to trap teammates behind doors

[ember hornet]

if only there were rewards

[clever verge]

Unfortunately fatshark nerfed my favorite weapon

[shrewd nest]

I want to love the thunder hammer, but god damn you need the stars align on that weapon to get a usable one I feel

[clever verge]

Killing bosses with nerfed doors is difficult

[clear heath]

I've played thunder hammer more recently
but it's kind of a pain since i'm usually playing duo with a bolter vet

[ember hornet]

praise the omnissiah

[clever verge]

That's a certified godroll

[digital loom]

thanks to deimos i can get away with not running rending on staff now

[clear heath]

so i literally never get to see an enemy ogryn for more than 1 second before it gets boltered

[shrewd nest]

Aligned stars, and I don't thinkyou can lose out on too much of what you have there and still have a useful one, it's godroll or bust

[ember hornet]

it only took me 600-700 hours of hammer and 7m ordos and 30k plasteel post crafting

[digital loom]

that ssounds like me but with blade butcher

and i still only have a scuffed one

[ember hornet]

rip

[digital loom]

perfect stat distro, scuffed perks

although infested not bad

[shrewd nest]

I like my rending staff to make sure crusher hordes fucking die

[digital loom]

at full stacks i one shot dogs with headshot

[ember hornet]

I just decided one night that fuck it what else am I going to keep rolling

300k ordos

[digital loom]

hell yeah

[ember hornet]

1 upgrade

got that

lol

[clear heath]

i have scuffed weapons on every class
I keep planning new builds and making all of them is impossible

[digital loom]

i mean its not like the materials are worth anything anyway

just fuckin send it

[ember hornet]

yeah

[digital loom]

what else can you do with it

[ember hornet]

not get t4 bolter blessings

[digital loom]

lmao

[clever verge]

Flex with 50k plasteel

[digital loom]

still dont have any

[shrewd nest]

Problem is I don't wanna play psyker enough to get that kinda hammer

[digital loom]

i started working on plasmas again though

i want to get one that is carapacy/uny with good modifiers

now that i dont feel the need for flak/uny

[shrewd nest]

At least got a good kantrael now, so fine, my heavy sword and kantrael, or even the hammer I got now and go is fine

[digital loom]

although flak is good for assasination

[ember hornet]

kant shotty is best feeling gun in game imo

[digital loom]

yes its good

i have been playing with deadshot and flechette on mine

when both proc it feels good

[ember hornet]

I hope you also have no respite

[shrewd nest]

JUST today finished up a decent one on my vet to put down my shredder for for a bit, namely I picked no respite t4 from the milk man

[digital loom]

ye

to boost damage

i tried manstopper/flechette as well but i really only use the regular fire to hit singular shooters and elites, no reason

[shrewd nest]

My zealot one is

[clear heath]

I've only ever used a grey kant shotgun
Was pretty nice though

[ember hornet]

if you were wondering how no respite works, see stagger count and multiply

[shrewd nest]

hammer currently

[digital loom]

bleed shotgun is one of the things i will give up bleed nades for

few things

[ember hornet]

pretty decent

[digital loom]

i have experimented with covering fire too

it seems pretty inconsistent, i dont know if there are other activation criterias

in summary, still not better than being grenade printer

most of the time what your team needs is a grenade, not their toughness bar filled

[shrewd nest]

And the dumb boring lawnmower the milk man blessed me with at least

[ember hornet]

deathblow to rampage, crit chance to flak

unless you are trying to crit meme

[ionic needle]

For what? Some edgy teen trying to upset people running a build in a video game? Haha okay

[shrewd nest]

My shotgun ain't minmaxed yet, this is just the exact thing milk man gave me

[shrewd nest]

Def don't need no crit memes, I'll happily look into bettering the thing

[olive ember]

zealot talk

in my psyker chat!

[shrewd nest]

Yer god damn right, here to blaspheme

Though you are right and I should move the talk about zealotry

[north cradle]

Zealot talk in #psyker-class is like Veteran talk in #psyker-class. You're going to get better answers here than in #veteran-class or #zealot-class

[shrewd nest]

True, this is where the gigabrains are

[clear heath]

zealot chat gets a lot of psyker discussion too

[north cradle]

Zealot and Psyker have a special relationship

Like paladins and rogues

[pale basalt]

fucking christ can we just get a gunpsyker's lounge to avoid all these boring cunts with elitist attitudes?

[shrewd nest]

And me getting a guy to maybe start psyker cause of illisi being The Cooler Heavy Sword™️

[north cradle]

It do be good

[shrewd nest]

Who the fuck is being elitist ?

[north cradle]

The strawman he just erected lol

[shrewd nest]

Genuinely

[clear heath]

no idea what he's on about

[pale basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/league-of-gentlemen-local-shop-local-shop-for-local-people-tubs-local-gif-21010766

[clear heath]

the only elitist here was the dude trolling who was against gunpsykers

[shrewd nest]

True

That's a valid point there, but not seeing anyone else being close to elitist

[north cradle]

I like Gun Psyker with the Warp Unleashed buff

[clever verge]

Son, I was already slaying heretics while you were still busy dealing with rats in vermintide

[clear heath]

and so it continues

[north cradle]

If my rando teammates are using Bolter and Flamer though I'll swap to Voidstrike

[clever verge]

It's about entertainment, arguably #psyker-class is usually boring chat

[shrewd nest]

I remember my first gunpsyker game

The two ogryns were saying how happy they were to have 2 psykers cause their guns chug ammo

[north cradle]

Because Psykers no longer have anything to complain about now that we've got buffs and stupefyingly powerful melee

[shrewd nest]

Both us psykers were gun psyker

[clever verge]

Did it end with votekick?

[shrewd nest]

No, cause people ain't cunts like you, it ended in a good time and a won game

[clever verge]

Glad to hear you enjoyed your time on malice

[shrewd nest]

Damnation

Thank you

[clever verge]

LI

[shrewd nest]

Barest minimum no mods, I forget what the game was otherwise

[copper torrent]

Can we vote kick @clever verge from chat?

[shrewd nest]

Give us the votekick

[clever verge]

!votekick @clever verge 1/10

[shrewd nest]

!votekick @still corners 2/10

[north cradle]

After playing modded Vermintide 2 since 2018, not having my precious UX features in base Darktide hurt

[clever verge]

It's because game's still in beta

[shrewd nest]

tru

[north cradle]

That's a cope. I take the devs at their word that it's the full v1 release. The problem is that the v1 release was turrible

[shrewd nest]

After the first major update I took that as a FINE release state