NICE EXPERIENCE
#psyker-class
sharp ibex
I was excited to do malleus monstrum tomorrow and get some cosmetics i'm not gonna wear, then realised I still need to do another 25 missions in addition.
ebon jolt
I love lights out! It's so cool.
warm delta
it almost got you too, lucky landing on the fence
grave bobcat
I vaulted it 😛
Otherwise I was goin too 🥲
Would be nice if the purge staff indicated when you get a crit 🥲
simple junco
why would it matter?
It would be nice to have a semi-accurate scale on how much damage you're doing
long wharf
I definitely agree that it'd be nice to get some kind of indicator for how many stacks you've put on something
but it almost doesn't matter
if you want to know how much damage you're doing, jump into the meat grinder
that's literally what it's for
what you should really demand from FatDevs is buff/status icons for weapon blessings
velvet spear
thoughts on this one?
long wharf
did you mean to post this in #veteran-class instead?
normal hawk
idle shuttle
good for a zealot
mellow ibex
So not good for Psyker?
mellow ibex
jaunty moth
keen belfry
I guess we shoot guns now
grave bobcat
Should I purchase this knoife?
no
covert cosmos
gun psyker lets go
keen belfry
Give me that ammo vet
soft prawn
gilded berry
Nein.
Keine Munition für dich Hexen
keen belfry
emprah blesses
slender compass
covert cosmos
you wouldnt not use an emperor's gift, would you?
keen belfry
how do we feel about this.....
ebon jolt
how do we feel about this.....
I'd use it a bit.
keen belfry
never tried the revolver...
supple skiff
do higher tiers of slaughterer add more power or a longer duration?
long wharf
might as well play a zealot
covert cosmos
zealot cant use dueling sword 😦
long wharf
what about veteran?
simple junco
Power sword
simple junco
Force dueling sword when
long wharf
it's so stupid to have a dueling sword
why would you take a dueling sword into combat?
covert cosmos
why would the veteran take a shovel into combat
soft prawn
Ogryn throws a box
long wharf
ogryn doesn't throw different boxes, though
simple junco
Sure he does, he just doesn't care what kind they are
simple junco
It's not his fault grenade boxes are everywhere to throw
soft prawn
sometimes he throws the box even with no grenade inside
long wharf
what doesn't make sense is the ogryn throwing a box and the grenades falling out and exploding
grenades have pins
does the ogryn pull all the pins before hand?
do the pins somehow fall out on impact?
simple junco
The psyker pulls them out
long wharf
and if no psyker?
soft prawn
the psyker pulls them out
reef oxide
^^
reef oxide
just rr them
long wharf
that's not that bad, it'd be easier if the game ensured that scripture missions were always available
soft prawn
yea scripture one is easy if you start it at the beginning of the week
cloud sequoia
did someone say box? 
simple junco
and if no psyker?
A really far away psyker pulls them out then
idle shuttle
i cant play that much
cloud sequoia
📦
soft prawn
just knock it out while doing the one to complete 25 missions
soft prawn
i cant play that much
long wharf
i cant play that much
sounds like you shouldn't worry yourself with weeklies then
idle shuttle
yeah I wont
long wharf
it's exceedingly rare for Sour Milk to have anything remotely worth getting, anyways
idle shuttle
missed the 1k bonus this week
simple junco
sounds like you shouldn't worry yourself with weeklies then
Yikes, Big Gaming got you too
idle shuttle
I can at least get the non 25s in
keen belfry
If i get another Axe from the emprah, i am headbutting this glass
long wharf
do it, you won't
soft prawn
maybe we should get dailies that are easier to complete
severe folio
did they fix sprint cancel
long wharf
yes
severe folio
i see
long wharf
they broke other things, but you can no longer sprint to cancel animations
idle shuttle
you can get locked out in quell now
as in, cant quell
for like what feels 3 seconds
long wharf
for 2 seconds
idle shuttle
at 100%
long wharf
if you hit 100% back to back quickly
soft prawn
fatshark should just remove Psyker
thanos snap us from existence instead of beating us down
ebon jolt
Dang that cleave damage. Sorry to see my friend.
soft prawn
🥹
stuck bridge
fatshark should just remove Psyker
fat agree
ruby merlin
We're still the secret tank class 😛
flint plover
purgatus
ornate hamlet
never been a voidstrike user. does blast radius even matter?
doesnt seem like it do
long wharf
it's not great
whole thunder
it's not great
ty
runic hornet
never been a voidstrike user. does blast radius even matter?
it matters a lot for staggering enemies if they're NOT coming at you through a perfectly sized doorway
you can afford to let it as low as 60% though without too much loss IMO
glad tulip
Don't you just love it when you reconnect you just fall through the map?
Better yet - you get swallowed by beast of nurgle and get spit out of map bounds through the solid wall and fall to your death through the textures into the void?
Yeah, i love that design fatshark, thanks
teal needle
I got put into timeout by a mutie once
sacred lodge
So… is anyone else having trouble with damnation? I feel like no matter how I use my surge staff, it just doesn’t cut it
Ooooh, right, stats are a thing… I thought perks were the most important
Away from computer and have a doctor’s appointment in the morning so I can’t check now, but I’ll see how my surge stacks up tomorrow and see if that’s the issue
echo timber
Stats looks good I personally don't like those style of staves
runic hornet
wish it didnt generate 50 peril
you have to think like a melee first and then trauma is your "infinite supply of instant-deletion frag grenades like it's malice all over again"
sacred lodge
I think my favorite is either purgatus because I’m a closeted pyromaniac, or voidstrike because it makes me feel like I’m playing Metroid Prime
runic hornet
Vet frags and ogyrn rumbler don't scale to damnation, they can't one-shot anything besides 200 HP groaners
Trauma staff continues to delete 450 helmet dregs
is it "better" than the other 3 staffs... it's got a lot of problems
acoustic scaffold
As someone leveling a psyker for the first time ... is it normal that i dread to level up?
Everytime i check, the shop gets more and more diluted with everything but psyker items
sacred lodge
Even though with the toughness and health the average psyker has, it’s more like I’m playing Metroid Fusion with how paper thin defenses are
runic hornet
But it's not "Bad" in the way that laspistol is bad
runic hornet
As someone leveling a psyker for the first time ... is it normal that i dread to...
shop system is fucked, you cannot avoid that fact
acoustic scaffold
Like i went from 5 force swords, 0 in the last 2 resets
runic hornet
Even though with the toughness and health the average psyker has, it’s more like...
the argument is that if you're "good" at the game, toughness and HP are your tools for managing ranged units, not tanking melee ones
"you should not get hit by melee trash if you don't want to" is the assumed truth of damnation
also, you have antax pushattack spam, which makes it easy to begin with
acoustic scaffold
Also the fuck are those penances
The vet one seems easy in comparison
runic hornet
(yeah if you prefer another melee weapon you're gonna have a bad time)
sacred lodge
Antax?
runic hornet
mk5 antax is an... axe, but not for ants
sacred lodge
Ah
runic hornet
It's an incredibly potent melee weapon that psyker can take unique advantage of due to the "block using perils bar" feat
runic hornet
force sword is an extremely meh melee weapon at horde clear unless you do a crazy swap cancel macro
long wharf
yeah, force sword isn't for clearing
runic hornet
you cannot frontline with it without that
long wharf
it's for tanking and single target nuking
sacred lodge
Huh… I thought the staff was our clear weapon, though
runic hornet
Huh… I thought the staff was our clear weapon, though
only for void/purgatus
runic hornet
Those are the sticks that force sword is a good combo with
FS+Surge leaves you with a gaping hole because surge does like negative damage to poxwalkers
sacred lodge
Interesting…
runic hornet
and FS+Trauma... going instantly to 100% perils is like a "feature" of trauma to synergize with 5-3
you need a non-force melee for fast passive quelling, and one that's good and makes you worth it when you're not on your staff
the antax is pretty much the optimal non-force weapon psyker has, now that DS slide-tech is nerfed
runic hornet
FS+purgatus is a fun build lol
long wharf
https://tenor.com/view/tf2-pyro-team-fortress-burn-in-flame-fire-gif-15811879
hello? fire department?
I prefer FS+void
sacred lodge
I mean that works too.
But… fire
long wharf
it's fake fire
sacred lodge
And the smell of burnt flesh
long wharf
and the purge staff's attacks don't count as soulblaze either
sacred lodge
and the purge staff's attacks don't count as soulblaze either
wat
long wharf
yep
sacred lodge
Why not?
long wharf
because FatDevs hate the psyker and don't want it to have any actual syngerized builds
humble violet
purge staff attack is soulblaze
long wharf
wrong
acoustic scaffold
By the way ... should i even bother trying to maintain those 4 warp charge stacks for just 12% extra damage?
I honestly would rather keep my peril low for my force sword from what i have seen so far (measly lvl 6 only)
long wharf
it stacks soulblaze dots on what it hits
but the damage the attacks themselves do is not soulblaze damage
sacred lodge
By the way ... should i even bother trying to maintain those 4 warp charge stack...
It gets easier to keep capped stacks at higher levels
long wharf
and do not proc the lvl30 feat
so when you're blazing down a horde, you're actually kill stealing from your own soulblaze dots
sacred lodge
It felt like it worked for me today…
long wharf
you can easily test this for yourself in the meat grinder
humble violet
im not sure i agree. I just got done with a level 30 purge build and it worked fine
sacred lodge
But maybe that’s because I was in coherency and that’s what was happening in actuality
long wharf
go test it for yourself
sacred lodge
Away from the computer so sadly I can’t. Will test for self tomorrow
long wharf
a lot of us that do theorycrafting have done a lot of repeated testing
every patch, since the pre-order open beta
sacred lodge
But the idea is that I want to be able to, if not carry the team, then at least shoulder the burden so that everyone else can do their job
long wharf
you aren't going to carry the team using purge
you can get the team out of a tight spot, sure
but carry? not in heresy+
sacred lodge
Hmm… starting from scratch then…
brave turret
rip, some asshats voted kicked me out of the lobby when were halfway through it cause i was doing kinda shit when just starting out as the pysker
long wharf
what difficulty were you on?
humble violet
deflector force sword for the win
long wharf
if you want to use best weapon go for Dueling Sword
you mean force sword with deflector for tanking
grim bay
no no, thats a bad combo
long wharf
or MkV combat axe for horde clearing
grim bay
you cant tank much with that
long wharf
oh no, you're wrong =\
grim bay
dueling sword for tanking if you want to be able to handle 50-100mobs at once or afk daemon host
with your combo you cant even tank a daemon
long wharf
the best melee weapon that isn't the force sword is the MV combat axe
long wharf
which one should I try?
grim bay
it can be cleave or def version
hardy socket
is the surge or voidstrike better
grim bay
either or
both have max passive quell + 1cost push + slash on push for attacking while protected
sacred lodge
Surge is good, so long as you don’t suffer from epilepsy
long wharf
I'm glad you like the dueling sword, but it is not objectively the best melee option
brave turret
what difficulty were you on?
malice, i wasn't running off by my self or anything, just not used to managing the pysker mechanics
sacred lodge
Only malice?
grim bay
its hands down the best
long wharf
the combat axe, on the other hand, is
grim bay
untill they fix it
long wharf
until they fix what, exactly?
grim bay
combat axe cant tank inf for inf
brave turret
Only malice?
yeah
long wharf
combat axe cant tank inf for inf
the fuck it can't
you have no idea what you're talking about
hardy socket
cause i like voidstrike more for hordes and takin out the elites with surge just kinda feels like you don't do shit all damage and then suddenly the tank is gone
just kinda looks underwhelming for me
pine iris
when we get back from hl-17-36 let's take a shower
grim bay
ooof ok kid, if you're going to get angry because someone teaches you something new in an open discussing, then maybe change your shit diaper and move on
just giving free info on the best weapon till they patch it
long wharf
when we get back from hl-17-36 let's take a shower
psyker love, or Brokeback Warp
grim bay
no need to get emotional lady
long wharf
ooof ok kid, if you're going to get angry because someone teaches you something ...
it's ironic that you think you're teaching me, or anyone else, anything
grim bay
not my problem if you wont try it and rather just be angry and emotional
stay ignorant then, not a problem
just dont get so angry and emotional over it
hardy socket
the objectively best weapon is the one that looks coolest to you
long wharf
maybe you think I showed you some of my duelling swords because I've never used them?
grim bay
strange place to pop off over nothing.
hardy socket
no point in arguing over preference
grim bay
Maybe you need to calm down and stop getting mad just because you struggle at the game
no one is attacking you
long wharf
imagine assuming you know everything about someone else
grim bay
so simmer down
wise pecan
i think force sword or combat axe are a tossup right now, depending on what you struggle more with: hordes or bullets
grim bay
we're watching you have a melt down, no one assumed you're all about meltdowns, but its all we do know about you so far. so calm downm
hardy socket
which one should I try?
check for carapace armor damage, generally best to go off thaat
long wharf
combat axe is hands down the best horde clear melee weapon the psyker has
hardy socket
one that does most damage to the elites kills hordes as well
ebon jolt
So I haven't used the trauma staff since level 10 or so. And I have to say I tried it again and I don't hate it.
long wharf
one that does most damage to the elites kills hordes as well
the one with the best moveset will clear hordes the best
elites has nothing to do with it
blessings kill elites
hardy socket
a sword that does a lot of damage to elites also clears elites
grim bay
xD @hardy socket careful having an opinion around her, you will offend her and she will melt down on you
long wharf
and the Mk V combat axe's block+attack is the perfect horizontal cleave attack
grim bay
if its not what she says, then your wrong
long wharf
why are you calling me "her" and "she"?
hardy socket
and the Mk V combat axe's block+attack is the perfect horizontal cleave attack
think the axes do a lot of carapace damage
grim bay
idk, why are you responding to she and her?
long wharf
no, the axe is weak on carapace
grim bay
remember how you said i know everything about you? believe it or not, i dont
wise pecan
no, the axe is weak on carapace
i mean, define "weak"
bronze seal
is this any good?
long wharf
i mean, define "weak"
weak is relative to the other armor/categories
hardy socket
from the limited armory i have, it does the most carapace
wise pecan
weak is relative to the other armor/categories
by that definition, literally everything that isn't the surge staff is weak vs carapace
long wharf
by that definition, literally everything that isn't the surge staff is weak vs c...
are you willfully misinterpreting what I write?
wise pecan
i'm just saying, axe heavies do pretty respectable damage vs carapace
grim bay
oh here we go, @long wharf about to emotionally explode again, run @wise pecan
hardy socket
by that definition, literally everything that isn't the surge staff is weak vs c...
actually i checked and the voidstrike can 3 shot carapace with charged shots
grim bay
Quall that unstable emotion @long wharf QUELL IT
hardy socket
oh here we go, <@524039295317835797> about to emotionally explode again, run <@1...
the arguement is done man
relax
grim bay
its about to start again XD she has a new target
long wharf
Quall that unstable emotion <@524039295317835797> QUELL IT
that could be considered toxic
grim bay
sit back and enjoy
grave bobcat
Pfhoenix you're saying the damage from the left click itself on Purge doesn't proc 10% AB?
grim bay
you're toxic AF
hardy socket
i don't care
wise pecan
chill, yog
grim bay
not even a consideration
long wharf
Pfhoenix you're saying the damage from the left click itself on Purge doesn't pr...
correct
grim bay
attacking people for having opinions
low tulip
what are the stat priority of purg staff (as I was told earlier today that cloud radius is actually a key stat)
is this a good roll to upgrade? (even though it's only 350, it seems amazing for maxing 3 stats)
grave bobcat
Well, it does cause I just tried it 😄
hardy socket
you clearly care a lot about some rando that likes the game you like arguing at you
long wharf
lol, you feel attacked because you were corrected
hardy socket
don't really know why
wise pecan
what are the stat priority of purg staff (as I was told earlier today that cloud...
i'd say yeah
grim bay
oh @hardy socket because the kid melted down becuase i spoke about a godly weapon combo
grave bobcat
I put an enemy to 5 hp so the left click will guarantee 1 tap. And it gave me 1 warp charge.
hardy socket
i wouldn't really call it a melt down
grim bay
so now im just mocking them when they lash out at me or anyone for speaking in an open discord 😄
long wharf
Well, it does cause I just tried it 😄
do you have feats active?
low tulip
i'd say yeah
thanks for reply
hardy socket
more like weird heated gamer arguement
long wharf
particularly the one that has 4% chance to give warp charge on kill?
low tulip
but what are the stat priority of purg staff?
wise pecan
like there's obviously potential for better weapons, and i'm not entirely sure whether damage is a prioity, but cloud radius and burn are top tier on purgatus
grave bobcat
Wow I usually don't, but if that 4% chance is the reason rn
Imma buy a lottery ticket lol
long wharf
it can happen
grave bobcat
Nop still did it
long wharf
take that feat off
grave bobcat
Only AB is on
Enemies put to 5 hp so left click would 1 tap
I got 1 warp charge
No other traits that would generate charges
ebon wigeon
i gotta say, at the start it was impossible not to be the only psyker in a game
runic hornet
i gotta say, at the start it was impossible not to be the only psyker in a game
beta psyker was crazy
ebon wigeon
these days its impossible not to be the only psyker
hardy socket
most of the classes are viable
hardy socket
although i see like a slant favoring veteran
runic hornet
it's not even close to a slant
it's something like 40% vets out there
and 15% ogyrns
hardy socket
the rare ass ogryn that carries games
wise pecan
ehhh, at least in the missions i run, i see psykers pretty often. vets are literally every game, though, and often multiple
long wharf
No other traits that would generate charges
I'm back in the meat grinder to test this, again
grave bobcat
Unless its some grinder funkyness
hardy socket
literally all of the ogryns i've been in missions with are godlike at the game and it's weird to me
runic hornet
literally all of the ogryns i've been in missions with are godlike at the game a...
give me your ogyrns
grave bobcat
I'm back in the meat grinder to test this, again
Just for parity, I'm putting the unarmoured horde enemies to 1 hp, then left clicking them to 1 tap.
grave bobcat
Just to make sure the burn doesn't apply
long wharf
how are you getting the enemy down to 5? this is tedious
hardy socket
i did have an ogryn that walked back and forth half of the starting side of the map
still goated
grave bobcat
I should prob restart my grinder if anything
stuck bridge
alright siblings, what are people running to have fun as this class?
long wharf
yeah, I jumped into damnation, so I'm swapping it to sedition
grim bay
anyone else getting a bug where item lvl isnt adding up anymore since 15th? Noticing all curios have been offset for some reason
hardy socket
alright siblings, what are people running to have fun as this class?
voidstrike is cool
i recommend it
stuck bridge
yeah voidstrike is my go to rn
hardy socket
the surge one is better but it doesn't really look all that good for me personally
should have more lightning
humble violet
purge staff, force sword is what im running and makes the class super fun
warm delta
ehhh, at least in the missions i run, i see psykers pretty often. vets are liter...
vets are in every game, psykers came second follow by zealots, and it's rarely to encounter an Ogryn, at least thats the case for me
cyan notch
anyone else getting a bug where item lvl isnt adding up anymore since 15th? Not...
meaningless anyway
grim bay
@cyan notch yeye just curious what they could have changed and why
stuck bridge
i dont find surge fun personally, i liked it when we could sprint cancel and i was getting kills with it but now it's just boring
hardy socket
tried doing a dawn of war 1 psyker roleplay run
grim bay
something behind the math is different now
runic hornet
I hope that was a big E gift
hardy socket
wish the psyker was more unhinged
jovial frigate
mmm should i buy it
wise pecan
vets are in every game, psykers came second follow by zealots, and it's rarely t...
yeah that's about the same as what i've found
stuck bridge
purge staff, force sword is what im running and makes the class super fun
i rolled a fairly good purge staff recently but im wishing it output slightly more damage
grim bay
@jovial frigate id pass on that one personally
humble violet
yeah mine does 16/11
brave turret
wow, early force staff sucks
hardy socket
i rolled a fairly good purge staff recently but im wishing it output slightly mo...
it focuses mostly on elites
runic hornet
wow, early force staff sucks
staffs scale extremely hard with level
hardy socket
it does a shit tonna damage on them
humble violet
but i can hold down entire wings of the map without issue
runic hornet
for example trauma
grave bobcat
k restarted my grinder
stuck bridge
it focuses mostly on elites
i just want to lightnin everything
hardy socket
same
grave bobcat
Incase it was buggin
runic hornet
you go from putting down a 1.5 meter pieplate in 2.3 seconds to a 2.3 meter pieplate in 1.3 seconds
the jump in performance is aboslutely crazy
long wharf
yeah, I'm not getting it to proc at all on the purge primary
teal needle
wow, early force staff sucks
Psyker is really gear and perk dependent
jovial frigate
<@106455713273884672> id pass on that one personally
p much same boat but im so starved on any single force sword at this point i kinda wanna roll it anyway just to be depressed
long wharf
I've killed 20 guys so far
low tulip
mmm should i buy it
nah.... the modifiers aren't even 350 in total and blaze force sword almost NEEDS the deflector perk (kinda?)
grim bay
fair if you've got the mats to spend
long wharf
I have all feats off except for Ascendant Blaze
runic hornet
p much same boat but im so starved on any single force sword at this point i kin...
i mean dockets are cheap in the grand shceme of things
stuck bridge
i rolled a deflector 3 with mediocre stats last night too
runic hornet
you will usually be out of good things in the odcket shop long before you run out of dockets
jovial frigate
o jk lmao thanks mr rng good boy weekly coins
grave bobcat
Yeah unless I'm giga-unlucky I agree
long wharf
so I'm going to have to call shenanigans on your methodology
runic hornet
as long as you play on malice or higher
grim bay
@jovial frigate try the dueling sword with peril perk, just LoS ranged and watch the never ending block, you can full deny map spawning for any timed event
humble violet
i rolled a deflector 3 with mediocre stats last night too
keep it until you can get a better one with deflector - deflector is awesome
grave bobcat
I just reset my grinder and now it's not giving stacks
hardy socket
you will usually be out of good things in the odcket shop long before you run ou...
ran out buying a skin colored robe for my psyker
cosmetics cost fucking like 30k each
runic hornet
ran out buying a skin colored robe for my psyker
cosmetics
okay fair point lmao
jovial frigate
<@106455713273884672> try the dueling sword with peril perk, just LoS ranged and...
im normally an axe boi
grim bay
you can even weave in push/attack while holding block unlike the force sword where its just push/push
runic hornet
yeah
grim bay
axe has 2-3bar of push energy, sword is 1 with instant recovery so you can push and still not get hit
grave bobcat
Lame, I just started using purge staff which is why I was curiosu
grim bay
unhittable perma tank 😄
jovial frigate
this thing blends tho
grim bay
- unlimited sprint with power slid
hardy socket
you do not understand, i n e e d a skin colored robe with bright red pants to look ugly as shit
runic hornet
unhittable perma tank 😄
it's funny but not particularly "useful" in a typical quickplay lobby
grim bay
thats a juicy axe nonetheless
echo timber
p much same boat but im so starved on any single force sword at this point i kin...
I was stuck with the same force sword since I unlocked them the shop would never have any for me I finally got a new one
grim bay
@runic hornet it solo carries, even in quickplay
runic hornet
typically you're trying hard to save your teammates rather than doing cheese strats in quickplay
grim bay
free pickup for team who are learning/unorganized, cant get swarmed, fastest movement, and easy clear
its pretty well rounded IMo
- fastest resource collection for true endgame ahaha
brave turret
Psyker is really gear and perk dependent
and a couple matches ago i got kicked in a malice match because i was doing a bit shit cause im only level 4
runic hornet
<@127075324453322752> it solo carries, even in quickplay
without teammates you will struggle to clear most events
brave turret
fucker even insulted m in vc
runic hornet
you need them for hacks and carry objectives
grim bay
because your res cant be interupted
runic hornet
and midpoint events, they do not spawn in the esame room
grave bobcat
Ok now my AB isn't working at all -.-
grim bay
and you can kee pthe horde off them
runic hornet
mission-finales yes
grave bobcat
jesus christ
runic hornet
but not for midpoints
hardy socket
level 4 you should probably stick to 1 or 2 bars of difficulty
grim bay
oh whatcha mean
runic hornet
oh whatcha mean
if teammates die in the train-assassination hack room
they will not spawn in the hack room
they will spawn outside it and you will have to complete the event to get to them
runic hornet
"i can never die" cheese is not going to lead to a mission success
grim bay
i dont understand why it wouldnt
misunderstanding *
you can still do everything else too, so you can go get them after
right?
runic hornet
you can't hack the center console without someone watching your back
grim bay
that applies to everything though doesnt it?
runic hornet
if you are busy blocking in a corner because lol and your 3 teammates are dead, how are you going to get through the event
grave bobcat
@long wharf Welp, I just started using the staff and back into the bin it goes lmao
grim bay
i dont know why you would be blocking in a corner while your team is dead tho
runic hornet
The point is that "i can never die" is a utility of questionable value
grim bay
that sounds like you lost already
long wharf
<@524039295317835797> Welp, I just started using the staff and back into the bin...
yep, it needs addressing
grim bay
never die while clearing everything*
long wharf
either they need to make AB proc on anything that dies with your soulblaze on it
grim bay
i dont mean afk in a corner with 2 mobs on you
grave bobcat
Yeah that one is kind of a big one
long wharf
or they need to make the staff attacks count as soulblaze
grim bay
anyone can be unkillable in a corner with no aggro
runic hornet
wasn't your point that perilsblock FS was broken as a carry
if it wasn't then my bad
grim bay
it is yea
but not like that
you dont just block the whole time xD
like if someone goes down, you walk over free and pick up. no help needed. no clear, just walk n res. unhittable
runic hornet
I mean don't get me wrong
grim bay
thats just 1 example
hardy socket
also psykers can be viable by just doing a few good ass dps to elites
hardy socket
i mean if you can't die, you pick up everyone else
runic hornet
But I feel like "carry" is more for "I am the one who will need to do the heavy lifting"
grim bay
yeah you can clear the whole room without going down taking no hit
runic hornet
i mean if you can't die, you pick up everyone else
that logic specifically falls apart for mission midpoints
grim bay
thats heavy lifting
all while taking aggro off team
and aiding them if they need more help
runic hornet
and although this is not an applicable mission
this is my counterpoint to "you can clear without taking hits"
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/KS0bX9HJ4GCJF/d1337WHwKHnJ?invite=cr-MSwzTDcsNDg2MDU3NTUs If this were a mission midpoint with no rezes available, you are hardstuck
grim bay
right, your console example. so when the horde is coming, you stand between console and horde .they all come to you, 0 hit console guy, you clear room
0 stress
runic hornet
(this is a finale so a psyker would actually be able to clutch here, so the point stands)
grim bay
dont afk in a corner blocking while they die
thats what i mean for midpoint example you gave
grim bay
if a horde spawns and a boss spawns, you can take either one easy and ease the pressure from team
hardy socket
what is that clip
runic hornet
what is that clip
a crit zealot knife build incapable of beating the basic spawn rate on heresy
pace matters
I'm not saying deflector/perilsblock FS is BAD
ebon jolt
<@524039295317835797> Welp, I just started using the staff and back into the bin...
The left click doesn't give AB charges but the burn applied from left click still gives charges, yes?
runic hornet
I'm just saying it's a weird thing to focus on when "Carrying"
grave bobcat
The left click doesn't give AB charges but the burn applied from left click stil...
If it kills them yeah
hardy socket
a zealot with flamethrower kills all of that horde in like 1/10th the time
grim bay
oh i dont mean deflector FS
it cant do inf block/carry
was in regard to dueling sword*
runic hornet
DS is arguably worse lol
grim bay
FS will not quell passive enough
FS cant actually block any number of targets
so it falls apart fast
runic hornet
DS was gutted the moment they removed slidetech from it
supple skiff
couldnt have found this on my vet he ffs https://prnt.sc/dwOOgb0GfgPX
ebon jolt
If it kills them yeah
I find between AB & communion I typically get 6 stacks pretty fast. Then when I AB into an ult I get multiple stacks back and build back quickly. It could be better but it's not too bad.
grim bay
it all relies on the passive quell, FS takes 52seconds, DS takes 9seconds
proven cipher
Wow actually got Going Out with a Bang penance without actually trying
grim bay
slide tech still works wonders
runic hornet
couldnt have found this on my vet he ffs https://prnt.sc/dwOOgb0GfgPX
deadly accurate is probably not as good as you think it is
grim bay
its 110% speed 100% of the time
proven cipher
Ironically after trying for the last week
grim bay
vs sprint and walk and sprint cycle
runic hornet
it only applies when ou hit a headshot AND you rolled a crit
grim bay
- bullet dodge + no sprint usage
cyan notch
if teammates die in the train-assassination hack room
no? they spawn in the room
grave bobcat
I find between AB & communion I typically get 6 stacks pretty fast. Then when I ...
Ehh it's just a massive flaw with the purge staff tbh
runic hornet
no? they spawn in the room
in my experience if they die in that room after the hack starts they spawn outside?
might be fatshark spaghetti code maybe
grim bay
@runic hornet when tanking with peril, try getting 100 peril with FS and then hold block, watch how long it takes to go to 0.
then try with DS
nothing can break your quall speed with DS
runic hornet
i've had people literally get picked up three times in the jailhouse assassination stairway spawn
runic hornet
isntead of getting one rez at the event and then the game saying "no, now you spawn after the event"
cyan notch
ive definitely rescued people in the room
grave bobcat
I find between AB & communion I typically get 6 stacks pretty fast. Then when I ...
Makes me not want to use it 🤷
runic hornet
ive definitely rescued people in the room
after they died IN the room, yes?
sharp obsidian
Which Dueling Sword is the best?
cyan notch
yes bot died cuz it was just 2 human players
grim bay
@cyan notch i think you'r etalking about the final boss room, he means the hack room with endless spawn
cyan notch
rescued like 2 times
hardy socket
yes bot died cuz it was just 2 human players
are the bots bad
hardy socket
cause i feel like they do decently against elites sometimes
grim bay
but yeah that hack room they usually appear in room
grim bay
i dont think ive seen them appear outside unless they die on the door/ checkpoint maybe
grave bobcat
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/KS0bX9HJ4GCJF/d1337WHwKHnJ...
Lmao this Zealot's dagger isn't the best
Funny to watch
runic hornet
Lmao this Zealot's dagger isn't the best
that's accurate even for a crit build though
the knife does not cleave
period
your horde DPS is gutter
hardy socket
they can actually dodge lone elites/bosses forever though
saw a zealot dodge every single hit a demon host was doing for like 3 minutes straight
hardy socket
amazing game
runic hornet
okay you can get two groaners i think
grave bobcat
I mean my guy is taking 2-3 hits for 1 dude lol
I want to see the dagger he is using
runic hornet
I mean my guy is taking 2-3 hits for 1 dude lol
tbh he's facetrading because it's efficient and you get away with it without taking HP damag eon that build
with the 75% DR
you literally just eat hits on purpose to attack more
but it still isn't good
hardy socket
comrade, the person cannot deal damage
runic hornet
your actual clear speed is worse than someone with a claw
hardy socket
floppy mcnoodle arms cannot hurt a fly in that clip
runic hornet
that's actual knife performance
There are videos of people cheese-duoing damnation with two knife zealots
runic hornet
but the key there is that there's 2 of them
1 of them can kite while the other does objectives
ebon jolt
So why does everyone like the Mk 5 axe the best?
runic hornet
1 of them cannot match the spawnrate
hardy socket
https://prnt.sc/XfhbOjYSWbyo
kind of situational
runic hornet
So why does everyone like the Mk 5 axe the best?
ridiculosly chunky damage
push attack is crazy
most "sweeping" push attacks do much lower damage
grave bobcat
that's actual knife performance
There are videos of people cheese-duoing damnati...
Definitely not
runic hornet
the antax mk5 deals about the SAME damage as its single target strikedown on its cleaving push
which is crazy
ebon jolt
Even though other sweeps are more horizontal than the mk5?
hardy socket
https://prnt.sc/XfhbOjYSWbyo
these lie all the time btw you should check it out on the meat grinder
grave bobcat
Shame you can't see the kill hitmarker
cyan notch
the antax mk5 deals about the SAME damage as its single target strikedown on its...
huh u mean push attack vs light attack?
runic hornet
Even though other sweeps are more horizontal than the mk5?
it's all about the push attack of the mk5
that is the sweep in question
and it fucks
it fucks so hard
use the push attack of hte rashad or acyls and compare
it legit feels like someone just threw in some placeholder values and didn't go back for them
antax is scuffed in a few other ways
proven cipher
runic hornet
for example heavy attacks do less damage to maniacs than the lights
Despite the heavies being two handed vertical chops
why would those deal ess damage tomaniacs
proven cipher
Sooo wish me luck
runic hornet
who the fuck knows
runic hornet
huh u mean push attack vs light attack?
yeah the push attack has comparable damage to the lights, but it has much higher cleave
that is to say, it actually does
instead fo stopping on one poxwalker
proven cipher
Ye wish the auto was the normal staff range attacks
runic hornet
fairly substantial cleave too it hits 3 flak scabs iirc
runic hornet
my gut says stops on 3
grave bobcat
While I herd them
grave bobcat
Yeah stops on 3
runic hornet
and the damage spread is fairly good too
grave bobcat
just in general it stopped before I even grouped them 😦
ebon jolt
Tier 3 is only 7 meters. The blessing is still decent.
wise pecan
the antax mk5 deals about the SAME damage as its single target strikedown on its...
i wanna say it's something like 75%, having seen the numbers, which is still a really good percentage
runic hornet
i wanna say it's something like 75%, having seen the numbers, which is still a r...
actually I know why I'm remembering those numbers
my psyker antax has limbsplitter 20% lol
wise pecan
mine does ~220 on regular swings against chaff, and ~150-170 on the push cleave
runic hornet
while I was comparing them to damage numbers on my zealot
ebon jolt
@proven cipher Also, Win + Shift + S for snipping shortcut.
wise pecan
ah yeah that'll do it
long wharf
yep, antax axe with limbsplitter is massive damage
cyan notch
yea its not the same at all
runic hornet
so I was thinking ~200 damage on push attack
proven cipher
Well gotta farm more mats
runic hornet
and then I was in the range on my zealot hitting 220 with lights
stuck bridge
wish the surge staff had a high damage single target bolt for it's primary and the chain for the secondary, give each staff a unique primary attack 😔
ebon wigeon
should i play around with this curio and see what I get? https://i.imgur.com/QL0goen.png
wise pecan
yeah it's not quite that close, but it is still an impressively high number, considering the blessings antax has access to
ebon wigeon
its max tough
cyan notch
nah
grave bobcat
Antax I'm using rn hits for 249 weakspot on flak rager
runic hornet
I want you guys to go into the V-tab damage table
cyan notch
its max tough
17% is max and this curio reward thing kinda mid
runic hornet
for the antax
brazen warren
grave bobcat
But I've specifically got a crit dagger lol
runic hornet
look at maniac light attack damage
ebon wigeon
oh i read 16
runic hornet
Then look at maniac heavy attack damage.
brazen warren
base level nexus
runic hornet
why.
cyan notch
oh i read 16
well actually idk if 17 is max but ive not seen anything higher than 17
ebon wigeon
its 21 hp and 16 tough
runic hornet
Maniac light: 217
manic heavy: 137
runic hornet
why
proven cipher
Dang nice
grave bobcat
cyan notch
its 21 hp and 16 tough
ebon wigeon
ah
hardy socket
wish they would add workshop compatibility
raw breach
Max is 20 toughness, 25 hp, 3 stam, or +1 wound, but for some reason i've only seen 16-17 toughness, 21 hp, and 2 stam curios so far
runic hornet
wish they would add workshop compatibility
that would require a finished game first
wise pecan
i hope it isn't just that they accidentally swapped the intended light and heavy damage values, but it would make sense if that is what it is
hardy socket
ah, right
cyan notch
Max is 20 toughness, 25 hp, 3 stam, or +1 wound, but for some reason i've only s...
i think thats fake
runic hornet
Max is 20 toughness, 25 hp, 3 stam, or +1 wound, but for some reason i've only s...
the datamined toughness/HP maxes seem to never spawn in-game
hardy socket
just kinda wanna add the dawn of war 1 psyker voice lines to the psyker
runic hornet
it could be similar to how weapons never roll higher than 80% on bars
hardy socket
cause the loner guy is just weird and not a fucking lunatic like i wanted
runic hornet
just kinda wanna add the dawn of war 1 psyker voice lines to the psyker
witness your dooooom
hardy socket
"i will rip your thoughts open"
cyan notch
i have 3 stamina tho
wise pecan
**witness your dooooom**
that's a zealot
grave bobcat
idk just feels like the Antax doesn't kill fast enough
raw breach
tbh it feels like they have everything capped at 80% right now until they fully release the crafting system, along with what already seems to be a system laid out for red items
runic hornet
that's a zealot
"witness your doom" is a meme-tier earrape voiceline from psyker in Dawn of War 1
cyan notch
what red item system
runic hornet
notable because of how INCREDIBLY FUCKING LOUD it was
hardy socket
literal only reason i got the game is so i could do a dawn of war 1 psyker roleplay
runic hornet
idk just feels like the Antax doesn't kill fast enough
I actually prefer mk1 claw for hordes, the problem with pushattack spam is you spend so much time pushing
echo parrot
tbh it feels like they have everything capped at 80% right now until they fully ...
Ah yes, power creep just for the hell of it
wise pecan
what red item system
in vermintide there was a tier above yellow (red) where all the randomized values on an item were capped
hardy socket
notable because of how INCREDIBLY FUCKING LOUD it was
the psyker is also goated, so they repeat that voiceline a shit ton
grave bobcat
Yeah the claw weapons try their best 🥲
cyan notch
in vermintide there was a tier above yellow (red) where all the randomized value...
i know i played it im just wondering what that system is in here
wise pecan
nobody knows
runic hornet
Yeah the claw weapons try their best 🥲
i had a guy telling me mk4 claw Light<->heavy combo is good for hordes
claw light stops on 2 scabs
fuck off
you'll die
raw breach
what red item system
Do the current stats caps not stick out as glaringly to you as they do to me? It honestly feels like the Red item cap will be 500, and everything is designed wit hthe eventual introduction of red items in mind
runic hornet
STOPS ON TWO SCABS
grave bobcat
No it doesn't lol
runic hornet
and the heavy isn't even that good
cyan notch
nobody knows
ok but the guy i was replying to said "seems to be a system laid out for red items" so im wondering where thats from
grave bobcat
And I prob have a clip showing is definitely doesn't get stopped 😛
hardy socket
red items?
wise pecan
ok but the guy i was replying to said "seems to be a system laid out for red ite...
well i mean, every stat capping out at 80% definitely seems weird to me
cyan notch
Do the current stats caps not stick out as glaringly to you as they do to me? It...
well reds werent better than orange tier they were just maxrolls
hardy socket
am i color blind cause that shit is orange
runic hornet
obligatory do you have savage sweep
runic hornet
That was me you fuck!
the recent argument I had was in zealot channel
so it wasn't you
grave bobcat
Ah
wise pecan
red items?
cyan notch
well i mean, every stat capping out at 80% definitely seems weird to me
what does that have to do with anything
grave bobcat
I have a lot
raw breach
well reds werent better than orange tier they were just maxrolls
Right, so 5 max rolls would be 500
runic hornet
there is also another guy who said the meme double impact blessing can stagger ragers with lights
runic hornet
(it can't)
cyan notch
Right, so 5 max rolls would be 500
...and that would be better than our current oranges
grave bobcat
there is also another guy who said the meme double impact blessing can stagger r...
I can check that one for you if needed
Cause i do have that
This blessing?
wise pecan
what does that have to do with anything
the stats arbitrarily capping out at 80% of their visible potential implies the existence of some way to raise them above 80%. red items is the most obvious conclusion
runic hornet
I hit attacking ragers with 3 and 4 lights with hammerblow or what ever it is
they don't stagger out of attack combo
some guy was tellig me "yeah I staggered a 4 rager squad with claw lights, it's pretty good"
and I'm just like
brazen warren
got a mkIV that cuts through hordes like butter, little weak on flak for sure but just swap to staff or brain burst and that cleans it up
runic hornet
"no fucking way, even if you stack 100% impact on a claw the lights still have less fucking stagger than an antax"
grave bobcat
That sounds like a bit of an exaggeration lmao
cyan notch
the stats arbitrarily capping out at 80% of their visible potential implies the ...
reds werent stronger in vt2 their traits and blessings were just the highest% rolls possible
wise pecan
reds werent stronger in vt2 their traits and blessings were just the highest% ro...
...which made them stronger
cyan notch
yes but its also achievable by oranges
runic hornet
...which made them stronger
no, because you could roll those max stats on oranges and it wasn't even that hard, mainly just tedious
dust was plentiful in vt2
cyan notch
you cant achieve 100% on current oranges so obviously reds would just be flat out better
you could have an orange item with the exact same power level and stats as a red it was just rare
wise pecan
fair, but obviously the system is a little different between VT2 and DT
so it stands to reason that, in lieu of the no longer heavily randomized blessings, they'd make the stats better
cyan notch
well sure but if ur saying reds in this game should be 100% in all stats then they arent really comparable to vt2 at all then
raw breach
But again, i'm not saying i know anything you guys don't. It just seems to me, based on the VT2 loot system, that red items would be a natural progression with their current system. They may or may not allow items to go past 380 eventually, or perhaps red items will be the only way to get 100% rolls
jovial frigate
a bis red > a bis orange 10/10 times because your PP length is 10 times more
grave bobcat
It looks like the lights are staggering, but unless hitting each rager individually, the cleave ain't doing it 🥲
high agate
red is a big pp measurement
True
Nothing says big PP like running cata 800 times and getting two reds
wise pecan
well sure but if ur saying reds in this game should be 100% in all stats then th...
i doubt that reds will be 100% all stats, but i would be surprised if they implement reds and their stats are still capped at 80%
jovial frigate
3 more trauma staves on the way dont worry
cyan notch
if the stat total is increased too then obviously it will power creep oranges
hardy socket
maybe one where we call a hole of the warp that sucks a horde in
cyan notch
thats just adding another rarity tier above it
raw breach
But, this is just my opinion, it currently feels like stat limits are capped at 380 unnecessarily. I wouldn't be surprised if, once they patch in more of the crafting system, our stat limits could go up and/or they could implement red items
hardy socket
i'm more interested in a campaign
meager eagle
i miss the surge staff
hardy socket
or just a mission and difficulty select
runic hornet
It looks like the lights are staggering, but unless hitting each rager individua...
staggering attacking ragers is very different
they have triple stagger resistance and you can't test that in the range feasibly
cyan notch
doubt there will be campaigns you just run around doing errands forever
hardy socket
it's weird to me that darktide unsuccessfully copied payday 2's mission select
grave bobcat
they have triple stagger resistance and you can't test that in the range feasibl...
🤷
I can't say I've ever really focused on staggering in-game to notice lol
high agate
it's weird to me that darktide unsuccessfully copied payday 2's mission select
I imagine the idea was to reduce wait time for lobbies
runic hornet
I can't say I've ever really focused on staggering in-game to notice lol
I focus really hard on it because the confidence of being able to just punch ragers and maulers in the face and say "no" is very tangible
ALso the effects of using BM to stagger ~270 degrees of horde
cyan notch
I can't say I've ever really focused on staggering in-game to notice lol
yea pretty common for enemies especially elites and more especially berzerkers to have much higher stagger resist while doing certain attacks
runic hornet
brutal momentum
high agate
I’d still rather wait a few minutes to get a balanced team on a map I choose than to get 3 vets and a psyker on magistrate oubliette for the six thousandth time
raw breach
CC and stagger seemed to matter a lot more in VT2, but there was also much less focus on ranged damage so you had to melee CC
hardy socket
I imagine the idea was to reduce wait time for lobbies
except it just ends up having level 30s just stomp low level missions and level 2 people going into difficulty 5 and getting fucking stomped into the ground
because they wanted to do a penance for a cool looking hat
grave bobcat
I focus really hard on it because the confidence of being able to just punch rag...
Mine is usually killing them fast enough they're not a problem lol
hardy socket
buy em and then just store it
runic hornet
it's a melkcoin purchase though
hardy socket
cause they will add a thing that lets you get the perks out
cyan notch
i mean level 2s going into damnation will only get matched with other people around their level
runic hornet
it's a little too meme
cyan notch
ive never seen anyone below level 28 in damnation
hardy socket
do not spend money on this videogame
runic hornet
cause they will add a thing that lets you get the perks out
I'm not trusting that until it's out
runic hornet
lol
grave bobcat
And the dagger I use 3 taps flak ragers pretty quick anyways
So never try to stagger
raw breach
I'm not trusting that until it's out
exactly. i hate playing this waiting game of not knowing how crafting will work until its implemented. Can't trust anything about how it was supposed to work lol
grave bobcat
Why is why I was saying that Zealots knife was garbage lol
runic hornet
dagger is actually good for killing maniacs
and elites
it's just shit for poxwalkers
unfortunately many events feature a nigh endless stream of poxwalker
raw breach
You know what's not shit for Poxwalkers that Zealots have access to? The Flamer
hardy socket
i mean i think the play is just to have a gun that deals with elites and a sword that deals with hordes
or if you're a psyker you deal with elites by splitting their thoughts open
raw breach
or, in zealot's case, the other way around
golden bramble
whats the best gmap the do pick and mix chasm longistratum high intensity?
grave bobcat
dagger is actually good for killing maniacs
It's like we're using 2 different weapons with our experiences lmao
mossy garnet
is the quell bug still a thing?
grave bobcat
which one
mossy garnet
oh
grave bobcat
lol
mossy garnet
the one where it delayed quelling by like two seconds on bb and staffs
meager eagle
is there any workaround settings in the config to make the surge staff usable again?
grave bobcat
the one where it delayed quelling by like two seconds on bb and staffs
Yep still there (just did it) lol
mossy garnet
gotcha, thank you
raw breach
Considering the only stat that can be +2 is Stamina, would that be +2 Stam and stam regen?
simple junco
Aw rip, 4 stacks of WC and AB won't kill shooters on T5
5 stacks barely kills them, 6 stacks kills them faster
hardy socket
Considering the only stat that can be +2 is Stamina, would that be +2 Stam and s...
nah that is 2% damage resist and the other is damage resist regen
wait no
that is 2
high agate
buf brane borst
BUF
BRANE
BORAT
raw breach
But curios can't have damage resist?
left basin
fr tho they need to change the name of the thing to nasty migraine
hardy socket
still probably pretty decent
high agate
Im pretty sure its +2 wounds
hardy socket
the spanish translation is really weird
brave turret
What is wrong with matchmaking
raw breach
yeah, something weird in the localization
hardy socket
could be like 3 different things
left basin
What is wrong with matchmaking
fatshark mostly
brave turret
I'm always getting matched with 2 other pyskers
high agate
Maximum resistance only means wounds
left basin
I'm always getting matched with 2 other pyskers
psyker segregation!!!!!
for that special immersive sim feel
raw breach
the only blessing on a curio with a +2 is Stamina (1-3), wound is capped at +1, toughness is 10-20% and hp is 10-25%
high agate
Hence why the 2nd piece is +8%resistance regeneration
brave turret
And so many times I've had brain burst just break off
cyan notch
the only blessing on a curio with a +2 is Stamina (1-3), wound is capped at +1, ...
i got 3 stam
high agate
Its not capped at +1
cyan notch
i havent seen hp above 21% nor toughness above 17%
jovial frigate
thats because the best roll you will ever see on the blessing of a curio is 80
and those increase per 5 point threshold they reach
vale nacelle
What’s the current consensus on Purgatus staff vs other options on heresy/damnation difficulties?
raw breach
right, because gear is throttled to 80% right now for all stats for some reason
Even some blessings seem to be capped from their datamined max values
left basin
What’s the current consensus on Purgatus staff vs other options on heresy/damnat...
it's very hot
cyan notch
perks can roll max
simple junco
Does AB only give a 10% chance when something dies to soulblaze specifically?
cyan notch
80% of 20 is 16 but we can have 17% toughness
long wharf
Does AB only give a 10% chance when something dies to soulblaze specifically?
yes
the soulblaze dot is the only thing that procs AB right now
jovial frigate
curios arent % based they are point based the same way weapon perks are
simple junco
Huh, cool. If you charge an average Purg staff to around 75%, your direct damage stops right before the burn kills an average poxwalker on T5
jovial frigate
you literally just rng a number for your 'blessing' value and that determines what stat you get based on a 5 point threshold
i,e, if your curio blessing rolls under 74 points and it chooses stam, its going to be a 2 stam
if its 75+ its gonna be a 3 stam
same with hp, 70-74 is 19 75+ is 20
cyan notch
cool but doesnt really make sense to say max is this amount when it isnt possible in the game
jovial frigate
what
raw breach
The interesting thing for me is that assuming 500 is the cap, 80% of 500 should be 400, not 380
left basin
maybe next updoot is siker updoot and it gives all of the bufz
cyan notch
well ur trying to apply your 80% theory to everything
burnt island
Lol cat share in veteran chat atm.
jovial frigate
80 is the cap reds will have 1 or 2 stats either @ 100 or can roll 80+ depending on how timegated fartshart wants to keep us
cyan notch
i dont believe you
warm delta
Lol cat share in veteran chat atm.
you havent seen the spider share yet, those vets sure are crazy
tribal knoll
For heresy/damnation lightning staff is good in that it can stunlock elites and specials but man is it boring; it does meh damage. Voidstrike is fun (has range) with slightly more damage and less stagger. Truma looks crazy; the AoE is like 900 damage and 200 stagger power. What do you lot run in damnation (or heresy) and build-wise out of these 3 staves?
burnt island
Lol start it. I want you to start it. Please. I love spiders.
jovial frigate
dont believe me just dont make a updoot post when im right
cyan notch
i dont even know what that means so im definitely not gonna do whatever that is
warm delta
Lol start it. I want you to start it. Please. I love spiders.
they srsly did a spider share last time I check, no I am not going to start it..
cyan notch
ill believe it when theres more concrete evidence
jovial frigate
For heresy/damnation lightning staff is good in that it can stunlock elites and ...
trauma damage values are wrong, they are basically half of whatever their tooltip info is
high stagger/mid dam with insane peril cost
tribal knoll
trauma damage values are wrong, they are basically half of whatever their toolti...
Ah okay that makes it look less stupidly AoE-OP, are the stagger values wrong for it too?
cyan notch
trauma damage values are wrong, they are basically half of whatever their toolti...
@runic hornet thoughts
raw breach
well ur trying to apply your 80% theory to everything
It's not exact, but all the numbers on weapon stats, blessings, and perks seems to be roughly 80% of their datamined max values. I'm trying to figure out how they plan to fill in the gap. Are numbers throttled on gear and it's not coded to be available in game yet or are they going to add red items/another tier with "perfect" rolls
jovial frigate
stagger values are "right" it can pretty much knock a crusher on its ass 8/10 times
runic hornet
<@127075324453322752> thoughts
table is wrong but the damage is fine
full charges delete 450 helmet dregs on damnation with +unarmored
which is something that the other "big boom" options on other classes cannot achieve by any means
raw breach
trauma damage values are wrong, they are basically half of whatever their toolti...
There was a known issues post about this last week iirc
runic hornet
as they only deal 150-250 damage
jovial frigate
ye but you still inhale 38% peril for that
thats what pisses me off the most about it
runic hornet
ye but you still inhale 38% peril for that
100% perils is 50% of my toughness bar in the next 10 seconds
contrast zealots that also get 5% toughness every second
that's the hidden niche of trauma 
(it could definitely use less perils and not be close to broken, lol, I'm just joking mostly)
jovial frigate
autoquell do be goin hard
cyan notch
It's not exact, but all the numbers on weapon stats, blessings, and perks seems ...
perks are pretty close to max tho
or are max
fallow meadow
As long as trauma can't stop a mutant, it is just a worst voildstrike
keen belfry
Any one tested % to block on curios with psy sword and feat?
cyan notch
well nothing really stops a mutant except surge and orgyn charge
jovial frigate
closing my game seems to stop them pretty well
raw breach
perks are pretty close to max tho
most perks datamined caps are 25% damage not 20, or 5% crit not 4%, 15% power not 12.5
cyan notch
yea u can get 25% damage and 5% crit rn
left basin
i'm crittsing
jovial frigate
see how my weakspot is 10% with 4 squares instead of 3
zealous bolt
I dunno, Psyker feels bad to me. Their ability and weapon synchronicity feels clunky and almost like one has to try and bash them to function together
jovial frigate
it's just another added layer of rng
fallow meadow
I have seen 25%damage, but not 5%crit yet.
cyan notch
jovial frigate
random axe in my shop
its literally u get 15 20 or 25 point rng roll on your perk when the wep is created or rerolled and that gives u 2 3 or 4 squares
fallow meadow
I dunno, Psyker feels bad to me. Their ability and weapon synchronicity feels cl...
True. The feat don't really work that good, specially the BB related one.
jovial frigate
its like the stupid little sticks on your blessing
fallow meadow
Axe can do some damage to carapace, but tacical axe and psyker are no friend.
keen belfry
I have a great tactical axe :/
raw breach
Okay, so some perks can roll max values, but that still doesn't explain the seemingly arbitrary 380 stat limit and it just seems to me like there was a deliberate gap left in the item system for future implementation of red items
jovial frigate
380 item cap is literally just char level * 10 + 80
bitter galleon
Pretty obviously
jovial frigate
0-80 is your rng window of how good that wep is for your level
fallow meadow
I guess they will let you to combine the wep to push on the limit later?
jovial frigate
the only thing they are gonna let you combine is your tears once reds release and they add more rng
tribal knoll
What build for voidstrike staff in difficulty 4 and 5? I tend to use a force sword and for feats do 2-2-1-3-1-1
keen belfry
Idk I wish they would just release the full game at this point ….
They made sure the vanity shop worked fine …
zealous bolt
Idk I wish they would just release the full game at this point ….
But remember it's not early access, and what project is ever complete
zealous bolt
They made sure the vanity shop worked fine …
I blame Tencent purchasing majority shares
jovial frigate
||idk my depression seems to be nearing its completion pretty quickly the more i play psyker||
keen belfry
Having the crafting system nailed down before release would have been a nice start ..
raw breach
Yes, that's all i've been trying to say. Is that it seems like there's a gap made to fit red items, they just aren't in the game yet. I'm just hoping they implement the full crafting system soon so I know what to do with all the gear i've been holding on to
left basin
I dunno, Psyker feels bad to me. Their ability and weapon synchronicity feels cl...
it is. the class mechanics it has spell out no defined role for itself, other than spamclicking surge at scary things. purg is basically a refaced flamer with the addition of being able to use class perks, forcesword is a quirky thunder hammer that impedes your passive quell, voidstrike is bugged and confines you to a questionable role of a tunnel clearer. all the while you get grenade magic hands that are supposed to be a guaranteed threat delete, but it's actually just a way to support your warp addiction. all the while i've had a total of 0 psyker weapon drops on empgift.
but i will endure
jovial frigate
all i want is to be able to convert my weekly melk milk into plastic metal so i can at least gamble in the slot machine of my choice with hadron
tribal knoll
I don't want to check the shop for the next 10 years for a high roll voidstrike staff, are either of these acceptable for damnation? The shop is 99% lasguns and axes
left basin
I don't want to check the shop for the next 10 years for a high roll voidstrike ...
transfer peril is good if you're at least somewhat good at headshots
zealous bolt
it is. the class mechanics it has spell out no defined role for itself, other th...
generally I'm finding that the most fun I can have with psyker but still feels lackluster is to go brain burst build with warp charge peril reduction maximum warp charges and melee things when I'm not brain bursting
May not be optimal dps, but seems most fun
someone was telling me that flamer staff is apparently the best
jovial frigate
I don't want to check the shop for the next 10 years for a high roll voidstrike ...
both are fine, charge rate is the dump stat on void imo even though people on here will argue .15 seconds is life changing for a full charge void
zealous bolt
I tried running the flamer staff build that purges your warp charges with your F ability for maximum DPS and I don't know I was not enjoying it
left basin
generally I'm finding that the most fun I can have with psyker but still feels l...
i've heard good things about going with the 15% combat skill reduction on a bbspam psyker, but trying it out for myself on 4 or 5 kinda made me want to claw my eyes out
hardy socket
literally at the fucking helicopter
jovial frigate
oh thats a trauma on the left lol. idk whats good on trauma because i have used it less than 5 times
runic hornet
oh thats a trauma on the left lol. idk whats good on trauma because i have used ...
80-80-80 damage blastradius chargerate
left basin
i just rolled void with double projectiles on crit
runic hornet
dump warp res and take as much quell resist as you can