yep. this is a long requested change
#zealot-class
vocal pulsar
dark zealot
okay so what if i had 150 toughness?
zinc talon
and then do increased damage to your health relative to what it did to toughness
placid fiber
Also: all toughness regains, besides coherency, are % based. So higher toughness = more toughness gained back each time @dark zealot
vocal pulsar
okay so what if i had 150 toughness?
i would consider 150 toughness to be bare minimum for most builds
zinc talon
at 150 toughness you'd get one free melee hit and 150 damage of ranged fire
at 200 you get one free melee hit and 200 damage of ranged fire
at 300 you get the drift
regal sorrel
Ok so I got 40k what weapons should I get for the twins?
I'm thinking the new evicirator but not sure what for range
zinc talon
but since it's proportional bleedthrough
placid fiber
If I get hit by a melee hit, then use chastise... I will have max toughness again if I have more than 100 toughness
most of the time
(not counting elites)
ripe quest
Ok so I got 40k what weapons should I get for the twins?
I'm thinking the new ev...
All chain weapons ruin them. Chaxe is the most extreme of them for the Twins.
regal sorrel
The new chaxe yes?
zinc talon
taking 50 damage at 150 toughness does 50 damage and no health, taking 50 damage at 100/150 toughness does 1/3 damage bleedthrough to health and 2/3 to toughness
placid fiber
Chain weapons are good vs the twins? >.>
ripe quest
Either work yeah.
zinc talon
for melee attacks
ripe quest
Chain weapons are good vs the twins? >.>
yee new Chaxe will do more damage than Thammer lol
placid fiber
So my heavy sword mk 6 will suck? lol
zinc talon
so having more toughness pads how much bleedthrough damage you take for a given absolute number
zinc talon
Chain weapons are good vs the twins? >.>
twins are not unyielding so the hammer really only excels at getting your squad to frown at you
placid fiber
are they flak...?
ripe quest
Cara Flak and Unarmored.
zinc talon
flak body, carapace head/shoulder
placid fiber
cuz uh...
zinc talon
so essentially carapce for overheads and flak for horizontals
vocal pulsar
the voidshield they use is flak afaik
placid fiber
I mean I am going to use my chain weapons more, but, I just have flak on my ironhelm lol
zinc talon
open your steam overlay and look up a guide on the front page
dark zealot
tragic
zinc talon
it'll have a white picture and say something like 'what does these funny blessing terms mean'
that will break down every enemy by type and armor
clear notch
christ
regal sorrel
What ranged should u get for the twins?
zinc talon
anti armor
bolters, revolvers
you need them for elite clear
if something starts getting spicy
placid fiber
I would take something to support my build, tbh, rather than double focusing on one thing :/
zinc talon
if you need horde clear sure
dark zealot
so having more toughness pads how much bleedthrough damage you take for a given ...
and toughness damage reduction?
north sedge
flamer is for elites too
zinc talon
just remember you can't see tacklers through the gas and a flame cone
placid fiber
Do specials spawn during the thing?
ornate bone
thank god spec assignment damnation done
zinc talon
if you havent done the fight EVERYBODY SHADDUP and go play it on t4 knowing nothing
I mean this genuinely
it is a blast, and easy enough to figure out in the moment
clear notch
why
zinc talon
and your appreciation of the map and the event will increase 10x
maiden path
mmm
placid fiber
I mean do specials spawn? That's my main question
maiden path
ogryn...
placid fiber
I think I know my build for this fight then
dark zealot
you get all specials
balmy oak
The void shield also goes down to ranged pretty quick
strange moon
In terms of elites no bulwarks though which is a blessing
ripe quest
@zinc talon I'm testing out this tap thing you're talking about and it's doing less damage than just holding the fire down. Blank Flamer as well.
zinc talon
maiden path
are there any new cosmetics that arent paid for
zinc talon
don't read any fucking guides or watch any fucking videos before you finish the map once
leave some mystery to it I promise you it's worth it
maiden path
why the fuck isnt darktide getting any cool winter gifts like vermintide
zinc talon
you'll be floored when things start clicking together and you realize what's going on
north sedge
read my guide to fucking before you fight them
maiden path
read my guide to fucking before you fight them
🤨
balmy oak
where's your guide to fucking
dark zealot
you'll be floored when things start clicking together and you realize what's goi...
you still havent explained it
zinc talon
instructions unclear; fucked the guide
I'm not explaining, on purpose
trying to hype you up
ornate bone
why
momentum and weak spot wounds me, but that penetration with carapace and a tier 1 reawhatever
man
I think I'm dead
dark zealot
i mean what toughness damage reduction does?
ornate bone
call me Casper now
zinc talon
oh I'm sorry
ornate bone
I sexually identify as a fucking coffin
regal sorrel
This is what I'm currently running with I'll try to take on the twins
north sedge
where's your guide to fucking
zinc talon
it's a flat % reduction to damage received any source
placid lily
I sexually identify as a fucking coffin
wow now, slow down bucko
stealing my thunder here
zinc talon
I identify fucking a sexual coffin
dark zealot
it's a flat % reduction to damage received any source
so if an attack goes through the toughness id take less?
placid lily
how commited are you to the cause
zinc talon
if you have no toughness it won't help you any more til you regen some
when you do have toughness, partial or full
the damage the bar takes is reduced by that flat % amount
strange moon
idk man my username is literally cask
For the love of god Montresor
regal sorrel
This is what I'm currently running with I'll try to take on the twins
How effective will this be?
zinc talon
and because of that, health damage bleedthrough when partially full is reduced by that % amount too
brazen umbra
whats the thammer damage modifier to unyielding
zinc talon
so it's basically % damage reduction til toughness is empty
placid lily
For the love of god Montresor
whos monstercan
zinc talon
health and toughness both
maiden path
darktide players: "i do not like the monetization in this game"
fatshark: "fuck u another 30 dollar outfit"
awesome fucking cell edit:
zinc talon
Go down into my wine cellar
placid lily
ok
zinc talon
look for the amontillado
placid lily
ok
zinc talon
you'll meet him
dark zealot
so tldr % reduction is best
placid lily
(of amontillado)
zinc talon
I promise he knows you very well
dark zealot
and having any amount of toughness even 1 makes it work?
placid lily
beery seinfeild bee movie
zinc talon
so tldr % reduction is best
the counterpoint here is that if you take +15 toughness pips
that adds to your base toughness with no curios
that increased number, is what +15% toughness then applies to
so with more toughness capacity your toughness curios give more raw absolute values
dark zealot
i mean i have 17% curios
zinc talon
but I still think toughness damage is the better buy
boreal grail
whats the dump sat Im lookin for in TAxes?
zinc talon
best thing ALL OF YOU can do as soon as you hit rank 30 on every character is to orange yourself 3 curios
dark zealot
zinc talon
it is BY FAR the biggest increase in power you'll get at any rank in a single action
and maybe power's the wrong word
capability
brazen umbra
whats the dump sat Im lookin for in TAxes?
all of them because the weapon sucks
ripe quest
Twice as good for the void shield and does more damage to flak at the very least.
clear notch
combat ability regen is smaller than you think
dark zealot
yeah i know
zinc talon
it's seconds to a second
ripe quest
Even with Deci up on Caxe, Chaxe does way more.
dark zealot
i learned it the hard way
boreal grail
all of them because the weapon sucks
zinc talon
dark zealot
but hey i can replace it and ordo dockets
dense karma
this chaxe is pretty fun
dark zealot
or replace it and corruption resistance
north sedge
whats the dump sat Im lookin for in TAxes?
dump is always mobility/def
dense karma
i felt real weird when i was playing though, possibly because its late in the day
boreal grail
dump is always mobility/def
ty
zinc talon
ripe quest
I haven't tested. Not sure. I know that it's possible to 1-2 shot assassination bosses with Chaxe so probs.
zinc talon
maybe not the most helpful answer to your question
but that's how quick my pocket shouty eats shields and health with the evis
to give you a rough comparison for chain axe
also
^five minute hard mode three man twins win
DONT YOU WATCH THAT HAPPY
(lol)
dense karma
how else can we feel superior
zinc talon
genes and genetalia, perhaps
ripe quest
Yee if you're doing that much with Evis you can def do some crazy stuff with Chaxe.
zinc talon
welp it's the entire fight on hard mode
zinc talon
yeah
dense karma
this chaxe is pretty fun
i swear those 2 are people here but i do not recall who
dark zealot
the bit you refered too
zinc talon
I mean it's so hectic it'd be hard to keep up with the event sequence
and you'll be doing a t4 regular
so not nearly as hectic
ripe quest
After the first tick
zinc talon
situation allowing
ripe quest
If you ult prior you only get the guaranteed crit, nothing else
Same with Shroudfield
zinc talon
I use my saw a lot to pause when I know I can finish it out
to scan my screen and the room for next threat
also I like watching them choke on their own throat as the light fades from their eyes
but my therapist said lead with the first one
royal sierra
thank you big E very cool
zinc talon
KEEP
THAT
SWORD
NEVER SELL IT
how many other people on earth have a 1% 4 70% weapon
maybe numeric UI?
I didn't get anything specifically
boreal grail
where do I go for mods?
dark zealot
thank you big E very cool
best sword
dark zealot
so i want these ideally
zinc talon
adding a wound never hurts
zinc talon
I run two toughness and a wound
north sedge
Running a wound just means less defense
red mesa
north sedge
Right bell
ornate bone
Get emmmm
ornate bone
zinc talon
third person camera
plucky gate
debuff indicator is nice for dot builds
thick nacelle
so i want these ideally
For what build u want to use those ?
plucky gate
very satisfying seeing it stack up
boreal grail
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/111
wtf
plucky gate
that sounds kinda weird for chastise
ripe quest
I think that mod would ruin any Thammer or Crusher user
plucky gate
Yeah like wouldn't it be awkward to aim while using chastise like that?
dark zealot
For what build u want to use those ?
plucky gate
oh yeah i started using vortex mod manager for my mods recently
it's gotten pretty good
was kinda annoying redownloading 53 mods on vortex though
dark zealot
maybe i just need to be more agressive and go toughness over hp
clear notch
bruh
dark zealot
now i have 203 toughness
outer osprey
zinc talon
naw several can
zinc talon
find someone who has one and have them swing a sword in the psykanium
their voice muffled on grunting will tell you
dark zealot
i mean you can just find someone who has a video using that
plucky gate
that kinda looks jank but i guess you get used to it
zinc talon
the situational awareness is unparalleled
no different than any other over the shoulder third person action title
it just looks like it's crunching cuz it records at 60fps and my pc runs at a lil over 300
er nvm I capped it at 165
so the smoothness gets jumbled on the record
dark zealot
130 without toughness % increases
plucky gate
wait i just noticed your crusher looks like a purg staff lmao
zinc talon
my Crozius?
I unlocked that as a crusher variant when I finally got my bolt pistol
already had it waiting to finish the pistol penance
fallow glacier
Before I potentially salvage this for thrust 4, should I reroll thunderous or get rid of the infested perk?
dark zealot
so i could get another 10% toughness for 226
placid fiber
jesus fuck... I did heresy and had to solo clutch the end with both bosses up at the last phase of the fight...
jagged patrol
so i played the hell out of Zealot before 2.0 and thought I was pretty good, now i can not seem to keep myself alive? what might i be missing?
placid fiber
That was some tough ass shit lol
It wasn't because the 3 others were dead weight, it was because we had no clue what we were doing lol
vocal pulsar
so i played the hell out of Zealot before 2.0 and thought I was pretty good, now...
are oyu stacking toughness
(cuz you should be)
placid fiber
I tried to explode the bombs every time I could... but I could only do so much lol
vocal pulsar
150 toughness bare minimum on most builds
clear notch
placid fiber
meh... my marty build has 143 toughness...
polar plover
drip check
placid fiber
lol
jagged patrol
will start there, what is best way to see how much i am a?
placid fiber
Thammer would have sucked for that fight, I am glad I didn't get baited into taking it <.<
clear notch
drip check
placid fiber
I think after that run... I am good for now on trying more... It is really rough doing solo clutches like that... even more so with 2 bosses up...
idc if it is only heresy
boreal grail
are oyu stacking toughness
I'm a bit new so please forgive my Ogryn like brain. Why stack toughness?
compact lichen
People underestimate the amount of cognitive distress that kind of sensory overload can cause a person
Auric Maelstrom missions are a nightmare
fleet zealot
drip check
placid fiber
I'm a bit new so please forgive my Ogryn like brain. Why stack toughness?
toughness is easier to replenish and can prevent health damage more easily >.>
fleet zealot
zealot has a lot of ways to regen toughness without relying on coherency regen
and toughness damage reduction up the wazoo
hence, making toughness stacking really good
even martyrdom builds get the 3*5% from curio perks
boreal grail
toughness is easier to replenish and can prevent health damage more easily >.>
that's way simpler than I thought it was gonna be
Roger
placid fiber
It is the most basic way to explain it
There are many more things I could say that could confuse the fuck out of you, if I wanted to >.>
boreal grail
Zealot is the last class I've touched so I'm still trying to learn it
placid fiber
Zealot is by far one of the best at surviving
jagged patrol
how do you see your stas in game? like how much ttoughness i have
fading vale
ogryns also stack toughness
placid fiber
You can check in the meat grinder if you want
fading vale
2x toughness 1 HP is a solid balance
boreal grail
Zealot is by far one of the best at surviving
It and Psyher are my fav by far for upper tier missions
vocal pulsar
how do you see your stas in game? like how much ttoughness i have
lol bro
it's the blue bar above your health bar
vocal pulsar
how have you played a shit ton of the game
fleet zealot
2/4 is bad
vocal pulsar
without knowing what toughness is
fleet zealot
but the last 2/4 could be good
ashen quartz
always gamble
ashen quartz
90% gamblers quit before they hit it big
jagged patrol
thanks for the help
ornate bone
now if only i had plasteel
calm night
Hadron has something against my zealot 😦
ornate bone
is skullcrusher any good even
or do i needa hope i get lucky that i get good 2nd blessing too
placid fiber
Depends on the weapon
fleet zealot
Hadron has something against my zealot 😦
oh that's fucked
fleet zealot
is skullcrusher any good even
it's not
ornate bone
shiet
ornate bone
yep ima hope rng gods with me
fading vale
the only weapon that takes skullcrusher is crusher
fading vale
figured I'd finally switch back
placid fiber
Ah
calm night
How important is collateral for Boltgun?
fading vale
How important is collateral for Boltgun?
not very
ornate bone
havent ran into 1 person with it yet
fading vale
you want like, 51+ collat or something
fading vale
tbh should still be fine just won't open bulwarks in 1 shot
placid fiber
If fucking heresy was as sweaty as it was with randoms... I can only imagine damnation, and I am not too keen on that tonight :/
next trench
first decent weapon i ever got from a mission lol
i mean nvm, that finesse is super low...
vocal pulsar
no thats p crap
placid fiber
hm... can I work with this left chain-axe or is my current(right chain axe) one better?
solid current
i'd prefer the one on the right
headtaker and slaughterer more than make up for the slight damage disparity
ripe quest
Right one is nice. The left one can be setup into a Thrust/Headtaker and Flak/Maniac one with better stats which is good.
imo I'd use the left one but that's because I prefer Thrust/Headtaker.
ripe quest
You could also spec both and use them to see which blessing setup you like more
placid fiber
Would bloodletter help at all with bosses? >.>
ripe quest
Not any more than Thrust or Headtaker would
placid fiber
I know it does a decent bit for breakpoints with the chainsword
ripe quest
Chaxe has good blessings on it so it's hard to compare.
placid fiber
but the chainsword has worse blessings
Man, that heresy run was way sweatier than I thought it would be... ngl. :/
north sedge
It's a challenging fight
placid fiber
Yeah and having to solo clutch like that is sweaty lol
all 3 players died by the last phase of the fight where we could finally kill the twins
or during it, more accurately, for at least 2 of them
for some stupid reason my autopistol did pretty good damage to the maulers... probably because it was heresy
I had my death defy proc twice during that fight :/
placid fiber
I... I can't deal with something that sweaty another run, tbh. My brain is already wore out from work today x.x
I think I am going to go play Risk of Rain Returns...
dark zealot
im going to play the finals
north sedge
Can't wait for darkpill to do hard mode on zealot #79998
clear notch
this feels dumber than usual
placid fiber
Can't wait for darkpill to do hard mode on zealot #79998
Right now my headache is trying to become a migraine x.x
dark zealot
and im going to contribute nothing to winning and instead destroy building as the heavy
funniest part i get better rewards doing that than trying to win on the other classes
clear notch
two ogryns
hard mode with pugs might actually be possible
none of them is glugger so we're probably fucked
blazing fossil
Hello frens, is Ironhelm worth toying around with now?
sharp zodiac
Yeah
languid canyon
bricked?
molten isle
look at this damn thing!!!
native cargo
look at this damn thing!!!
rough vault
You know what the twins are good for?
THATS SO SMART GREAT IDEA
hoary owl
It's so easy
left iron
clear notch
another game reinforcing that anyone named sigmar is useless ingame
thorn mango
Has anyone tried using Inebriate's Poise lately? I've heard that it works inconsistently, but I don't know if a patch has addressed it yet.
covert blade
what else for curios besides gunner and toughness?
dark zealot
pain
vocal pulsar
what else for curios besides gunner and toughness?
hp perk
5% toughness, 5% hp, 20% gunner resist
lean lark
hp perk or sniper res (max 1 sniper res)
north sedge
Has anyone tried using Inebriate's Poise lately? I've heard that it works incon...
Works fine, dunno what you mean
upbeat torrent
i kill twins 2v1 and forgot to record it
and my nvidia dont want to record it also
thorn mango
Works fine, dunno what you mean
Alright, thank you. I haven't tried it myself yet, so I wanted to ask around first.
north sedge
Alright, thank you. I haven't tried it myself yet, so I wanted to ask around fi...
Never had an issue, i played that keystone mostly
sharp zodiac
melee dmg on elites is decent right
It's not a horrible perk but for any thammer you'll also be looking for unyeilding for bosses n stuff
lean lark
Hey which mark is considered the best heavy sword
9, but the absolute best is 6
upbeat torrent
clear notch
what
hoary owl
He beat it
clear notch
pug teammate has reached a new low
hoary owl
I helped my buddies get theirs today. We got it in two. Which was nice.
fleet zealot
uh <@301217938306760704>
elites is decent
hoary owl
All because of GOOD PLANNING AND TEAM COMP.
ripe quest
Boss damage - 0
boowomp I want to see the damage 
upbeat torrent
Boss damage - 0
boowomp I want to see the damage <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
i kill sister solo and 30% brother
covert blade
hmm why hp?
blazing fossil
9, but the absolute best is 6
why is 6 the best? moveset?
ripe quest
i kill sister solo and 30% brother
Based on the scoreboard you probs soloed them idk
covert blade
not stam regen?
hoary owl
I've beat them three times now and not a single time of those three have we cracked half a million between the whole team combined, lol. It doesn't take that much damage. They only have 70k HP a pop.
lean lark
why is 6 the best? moveset?
Best elite ttk and dmg output
moveset is harder to get around
ripe quest
I've beat them three times now and not a single time of those three have we crac...
Differing elite spawns can make a difference + it could've been hardmode.
hoary owl
Differing elite spawns can make a difference + it could've been hardmode.
Yeah, I did Hardmode, lol
I've beat it three times now.
north sedge
well that scoreboard is 28min
ripe quest
yee was about to say
hoary owl
crisp plaza
Best weapon for the twins Im getting owned by the mobs
ripe quest
28 minutes of Orthus spawns add up
lean lark
Best weapon for the twins Im getting owned by the mobs
Rashad combat axe
hoary owl
It should take like 6.
ripe quest
Why would it take 28 minutes? lol
My first win on Orthus took like 18 on normal. Those randoms look shit tier or late joins and if this guy did most of the damage on the Twins it adds up imo
ornate bone
sometimes i get my invis like 2 - 3 times in a row instantly what is causing that?
lean lark
it took me and some friends like 14 mins total (given we unlocked the puzzle in that same game)
ornate bone
new bug?
lean lark
sometimes i get my invis like 2 - 3 times in a row instantly what is causing tha...
It's a bug
Not new
Already reported and probably getting worked on to fix
ripe quest
sometimes i get my invis like 2 - 3 times in a row instantly what is causing tha...
Server desync usually. Happens sometimes.
ornate bone
whats causing it? cuz my randoms called me cheater xD
hoary owl
Let them
ripe quest
yee some people exploit it
hoary owl
Devs know about the bug, nothing you can do to get in trouble for it.
covert blade
does more hp help martyr or somthing?
ripe quest
Technically less HP helps Martyr
Easier to hit wound thresholds + easier for BftE to proc if you're running a Toughness/Wound mix
covert blade
yeah why I was thinking maybe stam regen or ability for 3rd?
ripe quest
What do you have on the curios already?
covert blade
wound toughness 5
fading vale
toughness HP gunner resist for curios
covert blade
and gunner
fading vale
HP on curios isn't gonna hurt marty
covert blade
also a toughness set for crit evic
ripe quest
oh I'm dumb I thought you were asking for what your 3rd curio would be, not curio perk
covert blade
#1158835247685836853 message hows this? evic XIV Kant Shot
ripe quest
I'd personally drop Backstabber and Blood Redemption and grab Sustained Assault. Otherwise looks pretty textbook.
fading vale
Yeah I'd drop top right
covert blade
alright thx
north sedge
yes
plucky gate
you could run bomber/flamer res if you really wanted to instead of HP
apparently flamer res doesn't affect the fire still. just the kicks
bomber res works now though
actually just found that out like an hour ago
#psyker-class message
bad game
south folio
damn
ripe quest
Dang now I gotta learn how to do that
vocal pulsar
@south folio hlep i forgot my psyker clothes on the mourningstar
boreal grail
Which one should I go with?
ornate bone
u wont notice that mobility tht much
south folio
<@297182781346152448> hlep i forgot my psyker clothes on the mourningstar
are you sending these to everyone
no public indecency pls
royal vortex
he's advertising his of
boreal grail
u wont notice that mobility tht much
go with higher base dmg then?
latent summit
anyone know what exactly the thunder hammer special does? like the dmg multi / what armor types its effective with?
or some kind of document i can look to find it out?
buoyant pecan
anyone know what exactly the thunder hammer special does? like the dmg multi / w...
it makes numbers be bigger numbers
latent summit
boreal grail
latent summit
i'm just tryna make a build for these karnak bois yknoww
and it seems th kinda suck against flak so i'm debating running it or heavy evis
buoyant pecan
knowing the specifics of how doesnt help u at all. You see big ogyrn, big enemy, big anything that glows and u want it gone? You get your thammer and u press special and u hold the heavy to max the thrust blessing procs and then u let it rip
ripe quest
anyone know what exactly the thunder hammer special does? like the dmg multi / w...
Here's a BP calc. It's a outdated for this patch but Crucis has the same values. Ironhelm got a buff to it's special H3 so it does a tiny bit more damage but the H1 and H2 are accurate.
ornate bone
so ass i see
latent summit
Here's a BP calc. It's a outdated for this patch but Crucis has the same values....
i shall peruse, thank you 
ripe quest
i'm just tryna make a build for these karnak bois yknoww
and it seems th kinda s...
Chain weapons will ruin the Twins, Chaxe has the highest damage values for it.
latent summit
okay, i'll spam ye old vendor till i get a nice one. thanks again umu
covert blade
Best shotgun model?
native cargo
Kant is pretty lovely.
ripe quest
On Zealot you'll like the Kantrael and Lawby.
covert blade
Yeah th fie kinda gets kill staled lol
ripe quest
Agri is super finesse focused and is more suited to Vet. You can absolutely make it work on Zealot but for most builds Kant or Lawby
covert blade
Might try lawby one whats the special again?
ripe quest
It's a horizontal shot
covert blade
Ah neat
strange kestrel
yup
covert blade
strange kestrel
hardmode time
regal plume
strange kestrel
stray summit
strange kestrel
the suffering is worth it
stray summit
quakin in mah boots
strange kestrel
FOR THE FLEX!!!
cerulean pike
holy SHIT
stray summit
I dont think pinging them with damage tags and shooting them forever will work on hardmode
strange kestrel
aquatic pox hounds
cerulean pike
DOGS OF THE S E A
stray summit
SEA DOGS???
native cargo
SCURVY
stray summit
YARR HARR
cerulean pike
Bro this one is buggin out calm down damn
native cargo
Bro this one is buggin out calm down damn
Have you tried feeding them might solve this issue
cerulean pike
What the fuck do I feed them I’m on a wharf
tame mirage
clear notch
best ogryn armor in the game
rancid fern
why does the hammer sometimes not want to swing when doing heavy
seems to stall and want to do short
neat badge
cerulean pike
he shwimmin
buoyant pecan
Rannic i found the traitor
cerulean pike
Love the Santa Cruz wharf. So many sea lions
opaque island
seems to stall and want to do short
Are you holding sprint? It can interrupt heavies
faint marsh
i tried both knives and for the way i play, this is the best setup
i tried it with precog and uncanny and it just doesn’t work as well for how i’m using it
uncanny with bleed though is insane
so much better than having both bleed blessings
like by far
maybe if i switched to stealth zealot the precog and uncanny would do a better job for me but idk just not the way i play
coarse birch
take crit damage off
other than that its perfect
swap to maniac imo
crit damage isnt calculated right its only 10% of the actual crit
which isnt very much damage
clear notch
relic spam is looking more and more useful in twin hard mode
can't believe i'm doing this
vast basin
Meh, I did hardmode with 2 chastise zealots
I think the extra damage and mobility is super useful for the fight
But it's all preference
faint marsh
fuck i sent the wrong screenshot
fading vale
just don't post one with lacerate
faint marsh
i tried it with precog and uncanny and it just doesn’t work as well for how i’m ...
this is the knife build i like
sorry for the confusion
faint marsh
but yeah i tried this one, don’t like it as much for what i’m doing with it
fading vale
at least it's flesh tearer, but crit chance perk is pretty bad
faint marsh
relic spam is looking more and more useful in twin hard mode
relic spam is so useful for bullying bosses to where you want them
just doesn’t work for beast of nurgle
clear notch
But it's all preference
they don't know how to deal with packs of ragers
faint marsh
at least it's flesh tearer, but crit chance perk is pretty bad
the rest of my build supports it
halcyon elbow
they don't know how to deal with packs of ragers
same
clear notch
having a wide aoe cc that i can potentially have in 10 seconds should keep them alive
halcyon elbow
ragers are my worst enemy
faint marsh
for close range i had a genius moment for ragers
fading vale
the rest of my build supports it
nah, 5% crit chance is super marginal and mostly meaningless with a crit build
you already have a very high crit chance
faint marsh
vast basin
But the ragers that spawn are always scab ragers that are super easy to deal with 
halcyon elbow
i only spamming a lot of ammo into them hoping they die
faint marsh
nah, 5% crit chance is super marginal and mostly meaningless with a crit build
fair but i do notice a big difference when you aim headshots with the knife
clear notch
But the ragers that spawn are always scab ragers that are super easy to deal wit...
which they don't know how to deal with
i keep seeing them getting mobbed by ragers
faint marsh
this gun setup however, you just have to kill one shitty enemy and everything around you is suppressed
makes it easy to clear paths too
takes 1 clip to delete a cara crusher but i mean whatever, the knife does it in 5 seconds now
fading vale
fair but i do notice a big difference when you aim headshots with the knife
so knife crit is what, 20% base, plus 25% piety, and 30% scourge
5% on top of that is nothing
minor sage
To be fair
polar nexus
fair but i do notice a big difference when you aim headshots with the knife
you think you notice
fading vale
you always have piety
faint marsh
you think you notice
when i aim headshots hordeclesring it’s 1 shot and trikes through multiple enemies
minor sage
You dont because sometimes you take momentum
And you dont always have scourge stacked
fading vale
I'm assuming they run piety
polar nexus
when i aim headshots hordeclesring it’s 1 shot and trikes through multiple enemi...
the knife has a target cap of 2 iirc
fading vale
and if so you crit every 2 swings so you can easily build scourge
polar nexus
you should swap attack speed for duellist
minor sage
Ye then the 5% crit prob isnt doing much for you here
Especially since you already have so much
polar nexus
and with a knife, you could not go the twbs way and maybe get the toughness on dodge node
minor sage
5% crit is very meaningful for certain weapons where crit = triple dmg or something
faint marsh
you should swap attack speed for duellist
attack speed helps bleed work
minor sage
Like colum iag with non deadshot vet, or voidstrike or fire trauma
fading vale
drop relic buff for duellist
minor sage
But if your weapon already has that much base crit
polar nexus
attack speed helps bleed work
more slash more bleed?
faint marsh
plus it’s great for bullying plague ohryns etc into a corner and lighting them up in under 5 second with full squad focus and flame nades
polar nexus
on an already very fast weapon?
faint marsh
it bleeds on crit, more strikes means more chances for crits
takes a cara crusher out in 6 seconds on light attack
alpine egret
is bleed for the emperor good ? I cant tell most of the time
polar nexus
i agree, but duellist is just that good on a knife
fading vale
is bleed for the emperor good ? I cant tell most of the time
with marty
polar nexus
takes a cara crusher out in 6 seconds on light attack
i hope you don't use only lights on crushers
faint marsh
i agree, but duellist is just that good on a knife
for most peoples playstyles yes i don’t argue with that
alpine egret
Okay, cause I have never noticed it
faint marsh
i just okay autistically as fuck
play
and also no i don’t just use lights lol block attack is peng
radiant ferry
ngl zealot chat. shred and perfect strike feels awesome on the new evis
maulers and ragers in a horde become a joke
vast basin
Yikes cleave blessing on new evis
radiant ferry
yikes anime pfp
polar nexus
you could go rampage and feel the same way
radiant ferry
you could go rampage and feel the same way
prob true
minor sage
ngl zealot chat. shred and perfect strike feels awesome on the new evis
Cleave blessings dont work on the evis afaik
Because its target capped
craggy python
no
minor sage
Itll stagger but not dmg
craggy python
no more target cap
polar nexus
dmg capped
radiant ferry
talkin bout 15, not 2
polar nexus
we're talking lights on nuvis
craggy python
mb
polar nexus
allg
faint marsh
btw zealot chat thanks for introducing me to new friends
it’s awesome to be playing in the vox channels and have people join
radiant ferry
as far as i’ve tested this cap doesn’t proc with perfect strike, but maybe i need to test more.
drowsy anchor
you damage at most 4 ememies
radiant ferry
you damage at most 4 ememies
that is unambiguously false
drowsy anchor
its the truth
clear notch
feels cursed
radiant ferry
its the truth
going to psykhanium rn
drowsy anchor
yes
faint marsh
feels cursed
tbh that is phenomenally close to my build
polar nexus
feels cursed
you should be ashamed
faint marsh
lmfaooooo
clear notch
you should be ashamed
this is strictly for the twins fight
pugs keep stacking corruption
polar nexus
no dmg full support build
clear notch
they keep getting overwhelmed
polar nexus
i went the same way for the twins
plucky gate
i actually went until death instead of twbs on a similar build against the twins.
Didn't find stagger to be much of an issue
sharp zodiac
Well, guess that'll do
sharp zodiac
French
drowsy anchor
french
minor sage
going to psykhanium rn
How fares the target cap testing
radiant ferry
How fares the target cap testing
trying multiple enemy types. will come back
clear notch
ye
minor sage
oh right perfect strike depends on enemy mass
It no longer does what tooltip says fyi
plucky gate
yeah but the discussion isn't about whether it's a problem
it's about whether it even happens
minor sage
Perfect strike gives you 4x cleave on crits afaik
radiant ferry
Perfect strike gives you 4x cleave on crits afaik
yeah
minor sage
Anyways show video once you finish testing
I want to see if you've learned anything new
plucky gate
so, was your damage capped to 4 targets?
clear notch
if it's just cleave then it's not going to affect the target cap
radiant ferry
so, was your damage capped to 4 targets?
yup. painful.
plucky gate
rip
radiant ferry
still fun against armour. but. pain
minor sage
Ye
Pretty much why I think people just recommend dmg
Like rampage shred
Or bloodthirsty
On that thing
covert blade
So why ppl go for flak and maniac over infest unyeald for evic?
clear notch
infested are already low hp
radiant ferry
So why ppl go for flak and maniac over infest unyeald for evic?
id guess bc poxwalkers already get bodied by it. and a rev heavy already kills reapers and bulwarks
clear notch
unless you have the mk15 you're not hitting breakpoints with unyielding
plucky gate
Does maniac hit any rager breakpoints for mk15?
or any breakpoints in general?
i feel like it probably doesn't matter for anything else
radiant ferry
hadron, i beg you....
minor sage
Tbh does the flak do anything lol
minor sage
If you can hit BPs with cara or unyielding
vast basin
I mean I think the twins shields are flak
minor sage
Those might be better than flak maniac
minor sage
I mean I think the twins shields are flak
Ye but shields are hit based
clear notch
Tbh does the flak do anything lol
flak and maniac covers almost every armored enemy in the game
radiant ferry
killing myself
vast basin
Wait really?
coarse birch
i just run flak for mixed horde tbh
plucky gate
so many enemies are flak that it probably ends up helping on average anyways.
like maybe the 2nd target your cleaving dies a hit sooner or something
minor sage
flak and maniac covers almost every armored enemy in the game
Correct but for a chain weapon
Like evis
It doesnt need maniac for any BPs for example
covert blade
Yeah maybe flak unyielding
minor sage
I'm pretty sure you kill all mutants, flamers and ragers in one hit
coarse birch
yeah i run flak unyielding
covert blade
I do lol
I found out if you do speacial first hit guy> then use dash waaaaay more dmg
plucky gate
I'm interested in maybe making a flak cara evis with bloodthirsty
get those funny crusher one shot chains
radiant ferry
oh well. back to Mk2 until i get a good Mk15.
at least uyncanny/haymaker on the new knife is hilariously fun
radiant ferry
heavy swipe and instakill a couple maulers
minor sage
Does haymaker procs ignore hit mass
I'm like 75% sure it only instakills stuff you hit
radiant ferry
whats the cap on knife?
covert blade
radiant ferry
will be testing but i could wear ive hit more than that
minor sage
So it hits 2 poxwalkers thay are 1.5
clear notch
It doesnt need maniac for any BPs for example
on what attack
covert blade
Whats dh unyeald?
vast basin
Yep
minor sage
on what attack
Idk im assuming itll heavy oneshot a flamer and rev kill both ragers and mutants right?
clear notch
rev
covert blade
Yeah im done playing with maniac
crisp plaza
Anyone got a cowboy zealot build? With the new speed loader revolver
covert blade
Nope shotgun life
plucky gate
i think you can pretty much find whatever piety build you want and slap revolver on it
it wants the crits
crisp plaza
Ah
drowsy anchor
real
drowsy anchor
psyker need them for KD
vast basin
I would say vets benefit a lot from Stam aswell
mossy scarab
Stam is awful. Don't do it
void iron
GIVE ME A CHARACTER BANK PLEASE WHY DO THESE KEEP ROLLING ON MY ZEALOT AND NOT MY VET
sharp zodiac
Finally ran a simple run after getting everything set up and it feels nice
Run was weird
At first it was going horribly to the point where me and a psyker were the only ones left dueling a plague ogryn (I WISH I went dclaw stead of hsword if I knew this was gonna happen)
Then ig the rust came off and we got through just fine
north sedge
30min orthus?
upbeat torrent
31 minutes
ripe quest
ok that's insane
sharp zodiac
Alright time to run the chaxe
void iron
What yall recommend on revolver for perks?
sharp zodiac
Which one
sharp zodiac
True, well maniac is Always a good one, if you were on vet I'd say unyeilding for an obvious reason
minor sage
Trickshooter gun i would use unyielding
Since you're building it for bosses
Crucian/HC i would go flak/maniac/elites/crit
minor sage
The downside of a boss fan revolver
Is that you'll need to melee crushers
Since you dont have hc
But just git gud at melee
You'll be fine
sharp zodiac
Decided to swap flak off the chaxe for it doesn't make a big difference
But because I only have thrust 3 and slaughterer 3 I am unable to break the one shot crusher threshold by
80 damage
warped dragon
Since you dont have hc
Chastise
clear notch
Idk im assuming itll heavy oneshot a flamer and rev kill both ragers and mutants...
need 4 stacks of marty to one tap using a light flamers and bombers
need 3 stacks of marty to 2 tap trappers with lights on
need 5 stacks just to one shot mutie with an h1 weakspot
need 2 stacks to two heavies kill ragers on weakspot hit
need 4 stacks of marty to kill ragers on non weakspot hits
need 2 stacks to rev heavy kill a rager on a bodyshot
some of these breakpoints won't be reachable without maniac
not even with 6 stacks of martyr
minor sage
This sounds like selective testing tbf
forest schooner
gilded balls get
minor sage
Cuz you're testing with like non weakspot hits and non revs and stuff
Does it effect the important BPs
Like rev into mutant
Or headshot flamer non rev strikedown
The stuff that actually matters
clear notch
important
forest schooner
so me and two others of my team died right after killing the plasma twin, so our last member, a Zealot named Combine had to circlestrafe kite and solo Rinda
minor sage
Not like "how many light swings does it take to kill a mutant"
clear notch
have you
forest schooner
while the she was surrounded by the rest of the enemies the game decided to spawn
clear notch
ever rev attacked in the middle of a horde
forest schooner
absolute sainthood mvp right there
sharp zodiac
Oh my god Hadron gave me 3 slaughter 3's you bitch
ripe quest
There's a couple ways to make it way easier to force a T4
clear notch
i'm testing lights because i'm sprinting after flamers, bombers, and trappers
i need them dead immediately
using heavies doesn't change the amount of attacks i need to land
to kill them
sharp zodiac
There's a couple ways to make it way easier to force a T4
Tell me now and I'll kiss you
clear notch
not having that +maniac makes you slower in killing any of these enemies
having unyielding carapace instead of flakiac
you're spending too much time just to kill enemy units that can end runs
one tapping them with a light, if you don't want to pull out your gun, is the next fastest you can use to kill them
ripe quest
Tell me now and I'll kiss you
idk how real it is but it's worked for me so far. Upgrade a 360+ to blue from a white item, replace the first blessing you get with a T4 that you don't want, upgrade from there. Works best if the first perk you get is a good one that's either T3 or 4. Once it's orange swap the blessing back to something that you want obv. Each time I've done this I've gotten a T4 blessing out of it.
If the first blessing you get is a T4 that's on your bucket list you can just steal it at that step
languid canyon
idk how real it is but it's worked for me so far. Upgrade a 360+ to blue from a ...
can u force it at purple?
crisp plaza
How’d I do bros
ripe quest
Also just in general only upgrade high base rating stuff. I've heard that the tier of the perks and blessings on the weapon influence what you get when you upgrade so it would track.
void iron
How’d I do bros
If you're goin boss keep unyieldin n throw crucian over point blank
If you just want general use throw flak over unyieldin n then crucian over point
serene fable
spend all your plasteel on 50% dmg weapons and the next will be godroll trust me
ripe quest
can u force it at purple?
I don't see why you can't, but if the blessing is influencing what tier the next blessing is you're gonna have a lower chance at a 2nd T4 perk if you do it at purple. If it's already a T4 blessing then it doesn't matter
void iron
Yeah the upgrading has worked for me to some degree, though I've had good luck just regularly lately
crisp plaza
If you're goin boss keep unyieldin n throw crucian over point blank
Too bad I don’t have the crucian iv just yet
void iron
Too bad I don’t have the crucian iv just yet
It's good for now either way, just keep rollin, even 3 really ain't bad for it
Someone told me to buy whites n greens of stuff I want out the shop n just spam em to blue to farm blessings, its gotten me a decent few so far
covert blade
Also just in general only upgrade high base rating stuff. I've heard that the ti...
Holy shit game changer thnk you!
languid canyon
I don't see why you can't, but if the blessing is influencing what tier the next...
mm ok
zinc talon
so me and two others of my team died right after killing the plasma twin, so our...
did more enemies spawn when it was just down to him n them
or can I actually throw the fucking fight and make people watch me beat a boss to death with my shield
river needle
Hey all, what weapons/build do you guys sue for Karnark hard mode? I was thinking of going support, but not sure how that would go
zinc talon
this is crucial national security information america deserves answers
covert blade
Many zeeealy shouts
zinc talon
Hey all, what weapons/build do you guys sue for Karnark hard mode? I was thinkin...
let me list what I've brought and had players better than me approve of
Every zealot hard mode at this stage in learning the fight should have bible thump
it makes crossing the room much easier
corruption healing isn't a bad idea either
stun grenades also help
take both 5% movement speed pips
for equipment the new eviscerator can be set up as a dedicated hard mode twins event
flak and carapace for total body part damage
and stay with me here
ripe quest
Holy shit game changer thnk you!
A thing to kinda note is that I think the intent of the trick is to farm T4 blessings. It's basically just what you would do for a weapon normally but the steps are a bit inversed. Using a mod slot on a weapon at blue means using resources on a weapon that could be bricked.
frosty herald
The new evis does nasty damage to the twins
river needle
I've been told that chainsword eats their shield but haven't seen it yet.
zinc talon
bloodthirsty to be able to chain crits on elites and rev cleave rev cleave rev cleave crit crit crit horde
ripe quest
I've been told that chainsword eats their shield but haven't seen it yet.
All chain weapons ruin their shield
zinc talon
and rev it up to zip across the gas when you cross the room
frosty herald
I've been told that chainsword eats their shield but haven't seen it yet.
Rinda is weak to ranged
zinc talon
as you and your team get more comfortable with the fight you can begin to peel those back one by one to your taste
covert blade
A thing to kinda note is that I think the intent of the trick is to farm T4 bles...
Yeah I just need 2 4's left perfect
frosty herald
And rodan or whats his name is weak to melee
zinc talon
but this is the not-dyingest loadout you can bring
and after all the point of the mission isn't to kill the twins, it's to live afterwards
not dying is what wins every mission
ripe quest
Rinda is weak to ranged
It's great because a chain weapon will still drop her shield in a handful of seconds
zinc talon
so bring the not-dyingest stuff you have
fuck damage numbers
with regards to ranged you want anti armor so you can leet delete
that means bolter and revolvers
frosty herald
It's great because a chain weapon will still drop her shield in a handful of sec...
Chain weapons destroy the new bosses cause of the inherent flak damage they do
zinc talon
flamer gets an honorable mention but if you're bringing evis you have horde clear under control
plus you cannot see through gas and flame both, the two effects totally occlude
covert blade
Not shotgunny?
zinc talon
so you can't see trappers and mutants
river needle
Which eviscerator is better?
zinc talon
the new one ekes out the old but both are very similar damage
river needle
Been using II myself, but haven't been able to test the new one
violet dragon
3 days i tried
zinc talon
the new one cleaves on light swing 1 after you rev. not H1 like the OG
and both heavies are identical in damage
unlike the mk 2
which only has one big dmg heavy
covert blade
Wait it does?! Shit missed that
frosty herald
and rev it up to zip across the gas when you cross the room
zinc talon
new evis also auto-revs on push stab
river needle
Huh. Thanks!
covert blade
Oh thats why it sometimes does that
smoky pewter
What do y'all think? Debating purchase
zinc talon
sso you can save yourself or a mate from getting erased
because remember
You cannot rescue dead teammates in hard mode twins
void iron
It'll do till I roll better, but I'll take it
zinc talon
You live until you don't anymore and the fight continues without you
your primary objective, is to not die
not-die for long enough and the mission will end
covert blade
How come I saw ogryns go down not get deleted?
zinc talon
ko'd, maybe
covert blade
Ahh
zinc talon
you don't respawn after death
river needle
What do you guys consider the "dump stat" on evis?
slate geyser
this seems like a decent hammer, cop or not
zinc talon
this is my pocket shouty clearing a hard mode twins fight in under five minutes
with one person dead the entire time
frosty herald
this seems like a decent hammer, cop or not
Grab it for thrust
smoky pewter
^
zinc talon
it is possible, it's not a wow molten core 40 man PRIEST WIPED YALL DIE AND RESTART
rigid trellis
What do you guys consider the "dump stat" on evis?
mobility
slate geyser
Grab it for thrust
aight
zinc talon
thunder hammers are dogshit for the twins because they are carapace and flak, not unyielding
slate geyser
i just dislike thammers in general moveset so boring
slate geyser
crusher and new chsword so fun
slate geyser
new chsword with chastise + matrydom and crit talents is so funny
attack speed so high the animations bug out
zinc talon
bloodletter is outsized useful on the XV
because you can rev cleave light swing and then dump your chambered crit on a heavy with an overhead strikedown
and then rev cleave and repeat as often as you're able
sorry
bloodthirsty
the 100% crit chance on special kill
slate geyser
yea i like rolling rampage+shred on zealot with it. you don't need cleave blessings when your attack speed is hilariously fast
zinc talon
thank you for coming to my ted talk
please mail me my nobel prize I will not be attending the award ceremony
covert blade
Ramp shred or bloodthirst?
radiant ferry
deciding what to do with this.
slate geyser
i run shred on it because without it its unworkable on matrydom which is my fav keystone for it
zinc talon
now if you're not going to take rev it up and easymode the gas
you might think THRUST bloodthirsty
covert blade
Yeah i meant shread or blood my bad
frosty herald
Dont use rev it up
covert blade
Lol rev it bois
zinc talon
I would agree with you
frosty herald
Its a wasted blessing on the fastest class
zinc talon
but then we'd both be wrong
covert blade
zinc talon
again, I'm describing a dedicated hard mode twins XV ecis
frosty herald
If you cant cross the gas without dying you need to step your game up
frosty herald
If you have any fast toughness regen option your golden
covert blade
Cant you just slide like 2 3 times lol
frosty herald
I just pop stealth
zinc talon
well with rev it up you can just tappity tap it on and off
and be sprinting at 160%
like you knife weirdos
slate geyser
chorus kinda better since you let your entire team effortlessly pass thru fart gas and it stuns bosses
covert blade
Thats kinda sick
clear notch
or you can just spam push attack while walking through the horde
radiant ferry
deciding what to do with this.
need help deciding what to do with this. obv not gonna take shred/thirsty
covert blade
Ill try it thx
slate geyser
with enough CDR you can keep up overheal on your entire team indefinitely