Builds for Shouty Bois

[atomic pond]

its confusing

maybe because my hammer only has 60% pen idk

if you REALLY wanted to onetap plague ogryn btw, you would have to sacrifice 2 points somewhere and grab desperation (20% dmg when out of stamina) and run/push spam before doing the boss onetap prep

i like my toughness regen and damage reduction nodes so i opted out of it

[tawdry burrow]

Likely

[atomic pond]

well its good enough for now as i can still oneshot him, just need to aim carefully

building other classes as well atm so

it'll have to wait for a bit until i can craft a better one

[indigo ridge]

I bet lol

[lament juniper]

I think Headshot gets buffed by finesse but badkstab doesn't, however, backstabbing successfully will proc a bunch of different effects for the zealot

Also I don't think backstabbing does extra damage unless buffed via talents

[zenith hollow]

Knife has a built in backstab modifier as well

[lament juniper]

That makes sense

I have never used knives before

[dire cargo]

during some minimal testing with the knife (at full build, not all ideal blessings and perks) i’ve noticed that when attacking a mauler, a backstab and a backstab on weakpoint has a minimal difference

however, i’m assuming that a +carapace damage perk would deal more in weakpoint backstab than regular backstab on them

i think it’s just worthy of note, since you’re more than likely running that and unyielding or crit

[zenith hollow]

you can circumnavigate that issue by running Uncanny Strike

just butter their bread into oblivion

[limber prairie]

uncanny strike my beloved

[dire cargo]

i'll put some garlic in that bread while i'm at it

[atomic pond]

^ what they said

also why i run uncanny + mercy killer

can change mercy killer for preference

i just like big weakspot dmg

[gloomy forum]

with stealth + backstab blesssing you can oneshot maulers

[sharp sleet]

essentially: just get rending

[proud stream]

Usually the problem is not the lone mauler. But his 10 friends.

[lament juniper]

Lone Maulers exist to be bullied

Because Maulers can't turn at all

[small rain]

mercy imo

is just worse precog

with how many things you can dodge now

precog is just mercy but twice as effective (weakspot vs finesse damage)

[small rain]

mauler variant horde makes me wanna cry

[winter oak]

this any good? obv changing blessings

[obtuse mango]

Infested to Maniac

Wrath to Rampage

then it's pretty much perfect

[winter oak]

hell yeah

[cloud shoal]

does anyone have any good examples of chainaxe builds?

[sharp sleet]

probably standard marty build

[zenith hollow]

MArtyrdom with Chastise is gonna be the one

[cloud shoal]

Cheers fam

[winter oak]

this good?

[sharp sleet]

Yeah pree much

[proud stream]

Momentum works quite well too

[zenith hollow]

Momentum is such a good keystone for the hidden stats, I love it

[fathom bane]

Hey I remember this :]

[royal orbit]

Still my best build so far, it trivialize everything lmao

[fathom bane]

I've been using it since you told me

lmfao

[limber prairie]

momentum's secret stats are dodge speed and distance correct?

[royal orbit]

Yep, it's op

[analog slate]

Hidden stats?

Oh dodge speed and distance

[earnest matrix]

should I keep headtaker and change the perks or should I change it to slaughterer t3 and look for t4?

[sharp sleet]

The former

Headtaker 3 is fine

[earnest matrix]

what perks do you recommend changing to? flak + maniac?

[sharp sleet]

Yeah flakiac basically

[proud stream]

Flak elite is good too

[earnest matrix]

thanks

[proud stream]

Because the worst maniac you'll have to melee is the naked rager. It's an elite too.

[analog slate]

You don't really need maniac as you already shred mutants

[pure lynx]

I'm puzzled...

[proud stream]

Blood to rampage

Groaners to flak or elite

Momentum 4 is 15%... So keep mom2

Looks like my 380

[proud stream]

Yeah, this is why elite is probably better.

[pure lynx]

ty

[sharp sleet]

maniac isn't for mutants though

whenever you go maniac you do it for ragers
not muties

[silk bolt]

Is there any redemption for this piece?

Wrath probably doesn't do a whole lot given that the Relentless attacks can only damage up to 4 enemies, and the blessing I probably would want to put on it is Rampage.

Unless I do something stupid like keep Shred 1 and replace Wrath with Rampage?

[neon jetty]

just saw this in stickies, somehow missed it for a week.
I like this build, its very close to how i run marty which is this.
I like the idea of basically trading the toughness dr and good balance for the crit cooldown. I'll give it a try.
Losing out on that DR tho will def hurt, but i see thats why you call it glass cannon.

question tho

[opal rune]

play aggressive, you can't tank damage, the only way to not recieve damage is to dodge, or to remove what is dealing damage to you

[neon jetty]

do you think this build matters if you use old vs new evis?

it'll work on either i imagine, ive been liking the new evis. not as much an old evis enjoyer. it struggles on crushers/bosses/armor too much for me

[dark bolt]

this game is actually trolling

i literally cant tell which i should upgrade

[opal rune]

i have the evis for the shred
the blessing is the only source of crit outside of the talents

[neon jetty]

i see, so you're only using this with shred/crit evis. im rocking this.
but tbh i think it would be good with rampage + shred.

if im able to roll one (mk XV with shred + rampage) do you think it'll work well? or is there something you would change about the build if using this over old mk2 evis?

i imagine it'll be pretty similar

but does this do worse on the shred/cooldown build, bc of target limit?

also why no stam regen on curios?

i always rock at least 2

especially on a push atk heavy weapon like the evis

[opal rune]

what do you need stamina for?

[neon jetty]

in general its just good? and push attacks? sprinting being more forgiving etc

i was under the impression stamina regen was very "meta" on curios right now

ive been rocking it on most classes except psyker

bc of their lower stam regen delay

this is def something preference, and im sure people will have their own curio tastes

was just curious why you skipped out on it. In fact been hearing lots of people dropping gunner resist

[opal rune]

i've never noticed being short of stamina being a problem, never had problems pop up because i ran out of stamina, or if i even run out of stamina for that matter

if you're cycling push attack -> l2, the l2 gives enough time to regen your stamina for another push attack

just dodge don't block hits

or dodge

[neon jetty]

hmm, i notice when i sprint a lot, or push atk spam a lot. sometimes when needing to block ragers, or a boss its nice

[opal rune]

to disrupt stamina regen

why are you

blocking ragers

[neon jetty]

sometimes they're in your face, and its best to block and dodge slide back to make room again

once in a while

[opal rune]

block once, dodge twice/dodge slide to make distance, and pull out your gun

you only need to eat one hit

[neon jetty]

ya, 1 sometimes 2

true

[opal rune]

or none at all if you react fast enough when they start their high stagger attack animation

dodge the first attack

they don't advance enough to reach you with the second in the cycle

lose the stamina regen in your curios, it gave you bad muscle memory

[neon jetty]

hmm, interesting. i went to it recently since patch 13 or 14 after hearing its good now

and liked it

ill try going back without it maybe and see

i typically rock 3x toughness, 2x stam regain, 2x sniper resist, 2x gunner resist

damnity i wanted to play that monstrous specialist but got distracted talking in discord and it rotated QQ

lmao

[zenith hollow]

Stamina Regen is S tier

On Vet it's a x3 no question, on Zealot u can get away with x2

[neon jetty]

ya i thought so too

i run 2x on zealot usually like i said above is my loadout. feels good tbh

i can see getting away without running it

but i feel like its been widely known its moved up as a viable stat since patch 13 and heard other people talk about it, seen builds using it, etc. I swapped to it, felt pretty good, settled on 2x stam regens. but then contra telling me it was bad last night and not needed was puzzling bc i thought it was pretty accepted its a good statline right now. I see his reasoning too, but i think it is useful to run

[neon fog]

Different people have different curios ideology. I myself run 3x toughness regen and 3x stamina regen on zealot always.

[dark bolt]

good for bricking?

[zenith hollow]

Yeah. curios seem to be the most personal equipment piece in darktide

Most people agree on what goes on what weapon but no one agrees on curios at all lol

And I kind of love that

[zenith hollow]

Already bricked

[opal rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1182114116568104970/2023-12-06_16-36-28_-_Trim.mp4?ex=65838490&is=65710f90&hm=1dbdd7a48484cd4edb8e471d8da4c0da024a3256c8d8d4141f1431eb1cb2b7da&

you don't need stamina regen on your curios

just watch out for attacks and don't dodge while you're at 0 stamina

you only need 1 stamina to push attack
stamina regen is good to have if you're holding block i guess, my playstyle is trying to avoid damage as much as possible because i can't take any hits, blocking will drain my stamina and not let me dodge

with no impact blessings, push attack can stagger anything smaller than an ogryn except ragers in their attack animation

[neon jetty]

I spam dodge slide so much im not good at conciously not doing this tbh lmao

i see your point tho

but i think its true curios are the least agreed upon/personalized thing in the game

everyone seems to have what they like and swear by lol

[limber prairie]

does dodging at 0 stam have a hidden downside?

separate from a weapon's dodge limit

[neon jetty]

nice clip. One thing i noticed, even tho you were able to regain enough to always get a push off in time there. just wanna notice that you were perpetually out of stamina. So if you suddenly needed to push a burster, or a rager got in your face and you HAD to block etc. I mean things happen. you couldn't. Hard for you to start sprinting somewhere else, gonna make you wanna pause and walk for a second (unless you just ok sprinting around at 0, which i find risky)

so this may just be a playstyle/comfort thing

where if im at 0-1 bar of stamina, and constantly pushing

i feel 'unsafe'

if something suddenly goes wrong

and the extra regen lets you sit at a few more bars, despite spamming push attack

[opal rune]

ye i turn off the music so i can hear every sound cue

[neon jetty]

idk if that makes sense

lol i pump the music bc VIBES

but sometimes it does hurt sound queues

[opal rune]

if i hear a burster i stop spamming push attacks and stop sprinting

if i hear a hound i stop mindlessly swinging and try to find where it's goign to be coming from

ragers doesn't even need sound cues, you can see them from far away, their animation is very distinct

[neon jetty]

i gotcha, and ya i mostly do the same. but maybe my playstyle is not to IMMEDIATELY react to it until i think its close enough/threat to me. so the extra stam helps cushion. hard to say exactly

but i can def understand your perspective

and has given me more playstyles/ideas to try myself, to see how it feels in practice

[zenith hollow]

testing this today #zealot-class message

looks hideously efficient

[silk bolt]

Looks about the same as a Marty build I made up when Patch 13 hit. I only went for upper right branch of feats instead of TWBS, but I suppose it’s a fair trade

[zenith hollow]

always fun as well

quickness flamer is kind of ridiculous

[opal rune]

wtf my build

oh wait i don't have the dr from martyr

why invocation of death?

you don't have shred

does the cdr proc for every tick on the rev attack

[zenith hollow]

was testing bloodthirsty with it

not worth

[opal rune]

if you spam rev attacks with lights maybe

[zenith hollow]

i was doing that, felt like shred with more steps lol

but bloodthirsty still good for crushers, i'll just swap out invo

[opal rune]

3 points to use

probably disdain and soc?

[analog slate]

Real, the cdr talent is too good

[neon fog]

I'd remove duellist for the last martyrdom talent.

[opal rune]

d*fense

[green gale]

should I run rampage or savage sweep with shred on a mkII crit evis?

[zenith hollow]

I'm thinking about keeping punishment a little longer to see if there's a stagger breakpoint against ragers but certainly the other 2. Kind of a rough sell cause if I had 4 points I could get to Second Wind 😦

[sharp sleet]

either works. personally i'd take savage sweep cause
more thing get hit, die less mean they get hit more, mean more press f

[atomic pond]

it really feels hard refilling toughness here especially in orthus (as i only tested in orthus)

i am not too used to evis playstyle in the first place and it feels really squishy

[zenith hollow]

I would trade duelist for the martyrdom keystone thing if ur feeling that. But this build needs to spam crits for toughness to cycle Chastise as much as you can.

[atomic pond]

thats kinda rough when twins are pressuring you

[zenith hollow]

i wouldn't play this for Orthus tbh

i'd play Prayer

[atomic pond]

i am running crucis shroudfield for the fast boss kill

[limber prairie]

Oh is the new boss fight in ?

Been too busy with rogue trader

[atomic pond]

ye

[atomic pond]

its pretty rough with randoms

and the secret hardmode is basically impossible with randoms

[limber prairie]

Dope, I'll give it a shot tonight with some friends

Where can I read about the hard mode ?

[atomic pond]

@limber prairie https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2995700310

[limber prairie]

Thank you

How long is the fight around for ? Traveling in a few days and worried about my gaming laptop over heating with dark tide

[atomic pond]

i havent checked actually so cant say much

[limber prairie]

Gosh dang is it hard

[obtuse mango]

Like 5+ minutes

It is the longest boss fight in the game by far

And the hardest boss fight in the game as well

because of the combination of the gas that steals toughness / deals corruption, the elite trains that comes out each time you shieldbreak one of the twins, and also just the twins themselves occupying the same tiny arena

[atomic pond]

is this about hardmode?

[zenith hollow]

perfect party for hardmode is really just 2 zealots and 2 ogryns imo

or 1 Zealot and 3 Ogryns

[atomic pond]

it was pretty smooth with 3 zealot 1 ogryn also

2 relics and 1 chastise mk15 evis

[zenith hollow]

yeah makes sense

[atomic pond]

that toughness regen + stagger comes in clutch

[zenith hollow]

as long as you have at least one prayer

[silk bolt]

Prayer makes certain phases of that battle a breeze

I was playing Chastise Zealot, with 2x Ogryn (charge, Barrage) and Chorus Zealot as support

[limber prairie]

maybe tonight there'll be decently organized groups

[green gale]

do you know which one of these three would be the most ideal?

[silk bolt]

The middle one looks alright

[green gale]

i'm a little concerned because of the three it has the lowest CC and penetration but it doesn't completely sacrifice power output

[silk bolt]

I wouldn’t necessarily worry about the modifiers, because they probably are good enough, but it has 1 good perk (Maniac) and 1 good blessing (Skullcrusher)

And it has no locks on it

So you could improve 2 perks if you really wanted to

Impact blessings on Crusher don't matter much - it's mostly a preference choice of "which source of additional impact you like the most", so Impact 3 is totally fine on the middle one, it doesn't need replacement nor improvement

[hot rapids]

What is this skinny arm, it's literally my arm in real life.

[opal rune]

immersion™

[proud stream]

We had... 2 zealots and 2 ogryns 😄

I was the chorus / corruption bot

[proud stream]

You need to lift more bro

[dreamy oyster]

I can vouche, vets and Psykers at least the ones I rolled with randomly as Ogryn didn't even feel present for the twins

[near stream]

Thoughts?

[silk bolt]

It’s somewhat salvageable. Definitely reroll Thunderous into Thrust

But as for perks, I’ll let someone more experienced give advice

[nocturne lichen]

Cara to unyielding. Thunderous to thrust.

[atomic pond]

would need actual testing against monsters in meat grinder to see

if that low of a first target reaches breakpoints

for oneshot

[digital root]

how do you manage this?

[winged vessel]

best

[buoyant nebula]

psykers are useless. vets are good if the shout had the auto res

[spice helm]

what is a cool build for thunder hammer? I know It's not the best but want to try it

[digital root]

how do you search in this sub thread?

pain in the ass

[spice helm]

thunder hammer/flamer with martyrdom and wound curios?

[digital root]

hows this? havn't played in a while

[neon fog]

Xd

[royal orbit]

I'd swap the two talents on the top right to get the two stagger tazlent under TWBS and shield of faith : Very underrated against horde of berserkers

Or jsut take 1 and get the +50% dmg on weakspot after a dodge

[digital root]

true

hammer of faith?

[royal orbit]

idk i don't remmeber the name of most talents

[digital root]

impact one, yeah found it thanks

[royal orbit]

the +50% stagger on weakspot hit is bonkers with new evisc

because you have perfect horizontal every time, it's stupidly easy

[digital root]

?

[royal orbit]

yeah that's the damage one

[digital root]

sweet i'll try it

[royal orbit]

but the one i was just taling about is the one under thy wrath be swift

where you inflict +50% stagger on weakspot hit

[digital root]

oh yeah I got that

[royal orbit]

perfect

[digital root]

[analog slate]

Does this stagger ragers out of their combo?

[royal orbit]

Yeah that's the point

[ripe lark]

Can someone recommended a martyrdom build? I also wanna use it with the new evis as it's now my favorite weapon

[raven pumice]

@bronze lava here's the one I run

[bronze lava]

oh hey thanks

[raven pumice]

I usually don't run coherency toughness on zealot, but for this one I couldn't squeeze out the points on the tree

to get everything I wanted

so I just end up running 90% on curios

this is dclaw + revolver, with shred

[bronze lava]

wish this was easier to link

i didnt take bleed...didnt seem worth it

50% toughness replen seems better?

but im a newb

[raven pumice]

bleed is more crits = more bibles

[bronze lava]

i didnt realize bleeds can crit

[raven pumice]

they can't

read what the talent does 😛

[bronze lava]

nice

this defd feels styronger than my chastize/dash/flamer build

[raven pumice]

lol yep

i test all my builds thoroughly in aurics

[bronze lava]

nice

[raven pumice]

and i delete them if they're not up to par

[bronze lava]

hah

i cant get through this stupid twins fight

their hp is redonk

[raven pumice]

are you playing their mechs properly

are you focusing the gun guy down and popping mines, and clearing the elites

[bronze lava]

ranged dmg on melee guy?

im trying, hard to carry, as im not that good

i get teams that dont even res

or rescue from net

i do wish u got more rresources for losing

[raven pumice]

ye the game really rewards you for being good lol

[bronze lava]

woooooooooooooo thanks for the build man

finally got them down

[bronze lava]

yes and no, it sucks to have to grind ez content to get stuff to upgrade so you can do hard stuff lol

[raven pumice]

the hard stuff is mostly gated by your own skill rather than gear lol

[proud stream]

@neon fog what are your blessings on the chaxe?

[bronze lava]

totally fair tho having a decent build def helps

[neon fog]

Headtaker slaughterer

[proud stream]

Like a khornate would do

[neon fog]

Kill. Maim. Burn.

[proud stream]

And Merry Christmas

[neon fog]

I like Tzeentch best tbh because space magic.

[pure lynx]

Anyone else experiencing getting hit by blocked things and other weird stuff? I think I might need to get tankier perks on my sugarspyre. Also, now that I don't need corruption resistance anymore , what resistances are the most helpful on the relics?

[proud stream]

Gunner resistance, sniper resistance

Dunno if flamer resistance works

Are you sure you're not hit from behind?

[pure lynx]

Sometimes I am, and it's when the game spawns things out of thin air behind you and the backstab sound doesn't play until you've already been hit. Thanks for your input though!

[hushed oracle]

Anyone have a Chastise build that focused on taking out ogryns with melee and crowds with ranged ? Looking for attack speed if possible

[analog birch]

I get the occasional lag spikes and lack of hitreg because rural internet is bad. The most egregious example was when I hit a pox hound with evis saw attack, hit it squarely and started sawing into it, no hit markers and it jumped on me while I was sawing it. Nothing else around that I might have latched on to instead

[pure lynx]

Oh nothing rural about mine, I have a wild theory that it's mostly amazon servers rented by fartshak going "brrrr". But yeah, I feel your pain too.

[hybrid hazel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ae57bb4-d93a-48a4-afb4-f5f6d8600a09/carapace-remover

[sharp gyro]

What's a good knife weapon stat + perks + blessings, and also anyone have a preferred build? Just looking to try out knife finally. Been enjoying martyr zealot with axe a lot so far

[proud stream]

every modifier on the knife affects dmg

except mobility, so you can dump this one

blessing, you want a rending one so either backstab or uncanny

second blessing is kinda whatever you want, mercy killer will go well with scourge, riposte, precog or executor are good too

i don't use mercy killer on the zealot, it's better on knife vet with serrated blades

as for the build, you can do whatever you want, but considering the knife has a high crit base, you can go full crit on it

i prefer using momentum for the speed tho

[sharp gyro]

Cool thanks, do you have a generic momentum build? I haven't done that yet with Zealot

[proud stream]

the one i use with the bolter

that could be another weapon for sure

stealth is used to rez, do objectives and doing a tactical reload if needed be

[sharp gyro]

Nice, thanks so much. I'll check this out soon

[proud stream]

i could probably not take scourge and crit cdr and invested in eccleciarch call and shield of contempt if i decided to take a weapon with a lower crit base

[sharp gyro]

Perks just trying for Flak/ Maniac or something else?

[proud stream]

Ah yeah. Flak maniac is good

If you got elite it's good too

Or unyielding for bosses

[waxen adder]

what happened to all the builds that were pinned

[neon fog]

Build at the start
https://youtu.be/dxxbGkYpHJU

[sharp gyro]

Thanks! I'll check this out too

Also I use your Martyrdom build and love it a lot!

[limber prairie]

this looks really fun and different to stealth but just really cool. thanks for this

can I pick your mind about lacerate instead of fleshtearer Or mercy killer or precognition?

[neon fog]

Yes. So lacerate vs flesh tearer is your preference. I prefer lacerate on zealot because we already have bleed from crit. Basically I just want to bleed to get the crit chance up via the talent I think it's called bloodletting?

Mercy killer and precognition can do more damage but realistically you already kill things fast enough with headshots. It's good against monster but I don't think it's as good as 16 stacks of bleed.

Zealot chat like to clown on bleed knife but it does serious work against flak and unyielding enemies.

Especially with uncanny strike which is buffing your bleed to do even more damage.

[limber prairie]

scourge but yeah

and makes sense

I have access to virtually every blessing on my knife anyways so and I have a 20% flak/unyielding perks so I can freely modify my blessings

[neon fog]

3 stacks for extra 30% crit chance. That's why I didn't take the sub talent for piety for extra 10% chance.

15% from knife, 5% base, 30% scourge, 15% from piety is plenty.

[neon fog]

In that case experience with lacerate vs flesh tearer see what you prefer.

[limber prairie]

fair enough, Im not someone that considers lacerate unusable its just about theoretical comfyness

precogg has been fun, but I respect the cheat death pick even if im going to go with duelist instead

[neon fog]

Oh yeah it saved me in that game.

[limber prairie]

if I go down, it tends to be an '''unclutchable''' scenario. like boss + 15+ crusher/maulers/ragers and a smatter of shooters/stalkers

like I;d need to be a gunlugger/shieldgryn to make my way out of that >_>

no loner is smart talent point wise but some of my best clutches come from that

I think i'll grab 15% toughness regen over 25% dr on dodge

because of no loner, but both are great

[neon fog]

Yeah 1 more point and I would have taken toughness on dodge.

Pls increase level cap to 32. Xd

[spice helm]

does anyone have a cool stealth hammer talent build?

unsure what to pick

[limber prairie]

this knife is my pride and joy @neon fog

its so flexible

[neon fog]

Noice I really like the new mk6 knife though.

[limber prairie]

just rolled this too just in case

[neon fog]

It's so smooth.

[limber prairie]

i don't mind using lights for hordes

especially with lacerate 4

[neon fog]

Yeah but imo the mk6 knife has better light attacks spam pattern.

[sharp gyro]

With knife whats the approach to dealing with Ragers?

[neon fog]

Seems more horizontal.

[limber prairie]

with lacerate? apply 4-12 stacks and then fuck off

maniac seems to take 2.0 ADM from bleed?

[neon fog]

Either use chatise to stagger them or back dodge/run back then shoot.

[sharp gyro]

Thanks!

[neon fog]

Throwing knives are really good against ragers for some reason.

[limber prairie]

especially after they're renerfed

a headshot does like

does over 1800 to both types regardless of punishment stacks

so with their base HP of 1000 instead of 1200 from a few patchs ago

that cleanly kills both on damnation

punishment affects knives the same way brittleness on hit does

lacerate also makes non-headshots apply 1/2/3/4 bleed stacks???

which is funny

[limber prairie]

yeah this build fucks hard

bulwarks still a PITA

[neon fog]

Hmm bulwarks are really easy to kill with knife.

When they open up hit them a couple times body shot.

Then they get stun locked by bleed.

[limber prairie]

not when im only 1 alive in hi intensive shocktroop

[neon fog]

[limber prairie]

20 + ragers

5 crusherrs

what kileld me was getting stuck due to bulwarks

desynced attack phases so I couldn't deal with both and chastise doesn't stagger them

but other than worst case scenari, build performs so well

[neon fog]

Yeah you won't get super high damage like combat axe with bm but it's fun. :p

[limber prairie]

maybe it was because I had to revive the whole team being dead 3 times before we wiped

but I was rocking highest damage and kills >_>

things were dying so fast too

I just can't into BM rashad II

it just feels so ass even with BM

getting stuck on stuff unless you instantly kill them

[neon fog]

Yeah lacerate light spam on horde is decent and with crit you kill 1 or 2 enemies per swing.

[limber prairie]

and its a very consistent 20 + 30 + 15

65% crit chance uptime

it'd be 75 with the bottom blazing piety but o-well

[neon fog]

Well think of it this way. If it's higher than 50% then it's 1 in 2 hits.

So it's good.

[limber prairie]

Yes

[neon fog]

Imo when more than 50% crit chance it's sorta diminishing return.

Until you get to 100% then that's op.

[proud stream]

Didn't you say to me yesterday uncanny couldn't power bleed? Oo

[sharp sleet]

uncanny can
ruthless backstab cant

[sharp sleet]

reading the messages i think they think you meant if bleed stacks uncanny

cause the context was that bleed doesn't stack the onsalught buff anymore

[proud stream]

Yeah that's what we discussed.

[sharp sleet]

uncanny can power bleed
bleed doesn't give you uncanny stacks

[proud stream]

Ok there was a misunderstanding. I didn't ask if bleed could stack uncanny but not being a native speaker it's certainly my fault

[sharp sleet]

yeh

[proud stream]

Thanks for clearing it up

[sharp sleet]

That's what I mean by I think agent thinks that's what you said

[proud stream]

Speaking of onslaught. It's still ranged only?

[near stream]

anyway to mitigate the shit cleave?

[limber prairie]

dont care about it because it has a hard target cap of 4 anyways

this is a great roll

[near stream]

ok ok

im thinking for perks i do bloodletter and rampage

[limber prairie]

im sure people have posted builds here before

I know bloodthirsty is a nice pickup for conserving chastise uses

but ultimately I feel like its just a slightly worse chainaxe MKXII

because similar rev heavy damage

but the chain axe gets head taker/slaughterer/thrust

[limber prairie]

how the heck do I fix this?

or this

5% toughness? 5% hp?

I could really use the help of an objective outside set of eyes

[proud stream]

I am here.

Like a gift from Santa.

Yeah, double down on tg or hp or a mix of both.

All my HP and TG curios on my character have a mix of Stam, hp, tg and gunner resist

[limber prairie]

but which is more important for critical mass, TG? im for sure not getting rid of gunner resist

[proud stream]

I would choose tg over hp

Because I usually run with 2tg and 1hp

[limber prairie]

what about 2 HP and 1 tg?

[proud stream]

Valid too

Since I have +15% tg combined on my curios

[limber prairie]

but yeah with those, what should I swap my curious toughness regen to

[proud stream]

The difference between 2hp and 1hp curios for me is 280ish or 24ish... So I went tg instead

But i did run my zealot with 330 HP multiple times

[proud stream]

Toughness

[limber prairie]

ty

[proud stream]

Because you have multiple ways to Regen it

You do HP for padding

[limber prairie]

much appreciated

i gotta work on getting another 17% curio

im annoyed at using this 20% hp one

[proud stream]

Don't be, it's hard now to get 17 or 21 curios

[limber prairie]

152 toughness on chastise knife zealot feels singful

76 toughness on chastise..yummy

[neon fog]

How much hp do you have?

[tawdry burrow]

Take toughness regen off, slap toughness or HP on them.

Personally id only have 1 stamina regen out of all 3 curios but 2 is fine imo

[neon fog]

I made a smol change to this build. I removed the 10% attack speed node and replaced it with toughness on dodge. You lose a bit of dps but increase on survivability. Good for clutch against shooters.
https://youtu.be/lyc7EsuXRBI

[limber prairie]

290

[limber prairie]

slapped toughness on all of them

[neon fog]

I run triple toughness regen.

[tawdry burrow]

For zealot it’s a bad idea

Because it only applies to coherency regen

And that’s disabled most of the time

Due to being in melee

[neon fog]

I know it does apply to coherency only.

[tawdry burrow]

But yea as zealot it’ll be down most of the time

Like 95%

[neon fog]

It works for me. Also it buffs loner aura.

[proud stream]

@neon fog Does the first attack mod for heavy spam still works?

[neon fog]

Nope.

RIP always first attack.

[proud stream]

RIP

[glad reef]

Is there any weapon that can even use it? Most heavy 1’s aren’t that good

[neon fog]

OG evis heavy 1 is horizontal sweep horde clear.

[glad reef]

I see yeah it would be good for that unless it gets stuck in a maniac

Is it a decent enough weapon in mixed hordes?

[neon fog]

Imo no it's a bit too slow and unwieldy in hard mixed horde situation for me. I prefer more mobile weapons in such case to kite around and clear smol chaffs first.

But I am not that good with chain weapons so my opinion differ.

[glad reef]

There’s not many good mobility weapons with good mixed horde clear

I think just dagger and dueling sword

Maybe heavy 1 on dagger would be decent for mixed hordes? I haven’t tried it myself

I’m not a fan of chain weapons myself

But I can’t really run tactical axe anymore since the ttk on carapace is so high

[neon fog]

Combat axe is very good mixed horde.

Just light attack until on crushers/bulwarks left standing.

Good dodge distance + 5 dodges.

Incredibly strong and fast light attacks (on zealot).

[glad reef]

I feel like there’s not enough cleave on it even with brutal momentum

Sometimes you think you’ll hit stun an enemy and then you just get whacked

[neon fog]

Hmm I don't have too many problems when using combat axe. It's the most well rounded melee weapon on zealot for me.

Knife is the 2nd one.

[glad reef]

Maybe I push block too much on it

Or maybe I need to run stamina regen on my curios

I’ll give it another shot

Thanks

Though going back to the heavy 1 spam discussion

Are there any other weapons that can benefit from it?

[neon fog]

Achlys combat axe
Maybe the new knife but from what I've tested heavy 1 block cancel is faster than heavy 1 blitz cancel on mk6 knife.

Illisi on psyker

[glad reef]

I see so there’s a few

Thanks

[neon fog]

It's doable without mod but your fingers will hurt. The mod just automated all those sequence for you. However fs changed same stuff with mods in patch 13 and this mod was never updated.

[glad reef]

I wrote a script to do repeated heavy 1s

Tested it on a few weapons but didn’t really find one where it was worth using it

Made more sense to play normally

[neon fog]

Oh yeah can do ahk script too easily.

[glad reef]

Yeah I used ahk

[neon fog]

For sure its only worth it maybe 2% each round to do it.

[glad reef]

Yeah not exactly super helpful

Doesn’t the Ashly’s combat axe heavy 1 stop on the first target?

[silk bolt]

It has 0,001 cleave the last time I checked, so yes, it might

(For the record, heavy attacks of combat blade 3 have 0,001 cleave also )

[glad reef]

That definitely will be helpful far less than 2% of the time

[hot rapids]

It's probably not that important for this model, if you can get good blessings and perks

[limber prairie]

@proud stream help me avoid bricking this

thrust -> headtaker and infested -> maniac

also rolled this

worried damage is low

I have a few others but im low on resources to fix

[proud stream]

Yes

[limber prairie]

awesome ty

[proud stream]

Maybe you could try with elites instead of maniac. Dreg ragers are elites. Crushers too

[limber prairie]

Perhaps. I just like the clean obliteration of all specialists

[proud stream]

I tend to remove them from existence with my revolver/bolter

[pure lynx]

I guess from now on "late game" will be trying to farm lacerate IV on the knife

[hybrid hazel]

Why

[pure lynx]

'cause it's the only good blessing missing on my list before I make an attempt at a "noyfe" build

[proud stream]

Lacerate is not a good blessing.

[hybrid hazel]

It's not even good tbh

[proud stream]

I'd rather have flesh tearer.

[pure lynx]

Well, I don't have that one either...yet

[hybrid hazel]

Look for Uncanny strike and Precognition or Executor

[pure lynx]

those I do have, what synergises better with uncanny? precog or executor?

[neon fog]

I use lacerate it's good.

[pure lynx]

I'm not at all confused now. I guess I'll keep farming all of them until I know what to do.

[tawdry burrow]

They are both good

Uncanny is the “primary” blessing in a sense

As you can pair it with many different options

[neon fog]

Like lacerate.

[hybrid hazel]

Lacerate I is good 👍

[pure lynx]

Can't wait to be another degenerate "noyfe" wielding zealot that people make hate-threads about on steam

[teal moth]

hidden noife tech, if you inspect it a lot, itll do some CSGO type shit

[neon fog]

It will bleed.

[normal palm]

based

[urban cobalt]

I'm looking for a Flamer Build if anyone can help me out, preferably paired with Thammer

[hybrid hazel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9af69936-17b0-4d0b-9c4c-9dcdc1d294d4/flamer-build-preferably-paired-with-thammer

[urban cobalt]

Thank you

[hybrid hazel]

Option B:

[silk bolt]

Option B seems more plausible, but then I’d probably take the CDR-on-backstab skill, instead of the one that improves sprint speed/negates the stamina argument for dodging ranged fire

[hybrid hazel]

Or

[sharp gyro]

Any fun builds for this?

[limber prairie]

bricked sadly

[proud stream]

You could change the blessings and wait for a rework

[sharp gyro]

Just wasn't sure if there was a off the wall low stam style of play to make use of All or Nothing blessing

[cyan mesa]

Ya'll got anything for the Zealot that makes the Thunder Hammer FEEL like a Thunder Hammer?

[limber prairie]

nope

its weaker than the veteran/ogyrn shovels

[rustic marsh]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9af82ada-e806-4dcb-8c1a-a52bdab93e1a/mk-12-chain-axe my current favorite mk 12 caxe build

[hybrid hazel]

Sadly, the stealth damage bonus doesn't apply to revved attacks. Only the first tick gets increased damage.

[neon fog]

#zealot-class chat most hated knife build but it's actually strong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bms7mTnXu88

[hybrid hazel]

[proud stream]

The bleeding edge of meta.

[neon fog]

240 kills with bleed kinda op

[teal moth]

its bretty good i like it so far

[limber prairie]

this thing meets the 1-shot no crit bodyshot on maulers

and the 1shot crit on crushers

without chastise/FoF

it feels so good

hot knife through butter

[static elk]

now one shot the game's code

[limber prairie]

I wish

4 target limit is cringe

[static elk]

I was thinking about just doing a heavy but nvm nvm

Its a vertical heavy not horizontal

[analog slate]

Wait really?

[limber prairie]

Yeah

[limber prairie]

i'd clip it but im on my lappy for the next few days

its beautiful

[pure lynx]

what's good on a laspistol?

[gloomy forum]

@pure lynx
Perks are flak maniac.

Dum dum is a must
Anything is fine for the other blessing. Dont take supress immunity the laspistol has it innately.

For build crit chance is really good as laspistol have high crit dmg.

[tawdry burrow]

wouldnt recommend slapping crit chance unless your 2nd blessing requires crits

[tawdry burrow]

nice.

[pure lynx]

dumdum IV not really worth it for that extra 0.5% innit?

[silk bolt]

Not really, no

But then, the laspistol has 2 things open

[pure lynx]

Jeez, i spend resources to get a nice lasgun and now the game gives me this as a mission reward

[pure lynx]

yeah, could go 25%dmg on maniacs but that might be negligible too

[neon fog]

This one is nice. I'd put maniac instead of crit damage and infernus.

[turbid torrent]

looking for a good crit build

[unborn marsh]

One second

There you go

[unborn marsh]

Personal favorite of mine

@turbid torrent

[turbid torrent]

thanks

[unborn marsh]

Np

Works super well, rewards good mechanics, uses a funny interaction

[tawdry burrow]

2x hp is interesting

[turbid torrent]

is that bad? I always run 2hp 1tough

[proud stream]

Just replace disdain for duellist. It's that much better.

[hybrid hazel]

There's so much room to improve that build

||First step to improvement would be never listening to anything Clay says.||

[proud stream]

yeah true 😄 but I didn't want to be obnoxious

[unborn marsh]

Duelist was that one perk that was borked right?

[unborn marsh]

Like what? I'm open to suggestions

Anything that makes me think about it is helpful:)

And did I miss smth about Clay? He gets different hate than our favorite Robot who wastes talent points

[hybrid hazel]

Like that node right there

It's +10% crit chance

[unborn marsh]

You mean the one below it?

Like bottom right?

[hybrid hazel]

Yes

bottom bottom right

[unborn marsh]

I think it comes out to being unessacary

What would you replace

[hybrid hazel]

Disdain, for one

[unborn marsh]

That's the top left perk right?

That one is nice, constant dmg buff

Helps with horde clearing

[hybrid hazel]

Crit CDR is crucial for this build since it lacks the second fury charge

[unborn marsh]

You don't need the second charge bc you get it back in seconds lol

Run into a horde

3 attacks under chastise and you alr get it back

It's funny

[hybrid hazel]

It is arguably more beneficial to just drop this part and just deal with having no grenades but it's a preference thing

[unborn marsh]

See this is the area of playtesting and goofy math

[unborn marsh]

Deal with no grenades wat

[hybrid hazel]

This talent makes you immune to both ranged and melee stun and stagger

[hybrid hazel]

use blades of faith

[unborn marsh]

Ew

[unborn marsh]

Double ew

[hybrid hazel]

that's what I've meant

I know

[unborn marsh]

Nah that's just copium

And bad habits

I play all of the other classes

I don't wanna fuck myself like that

And fire grenades are crazy good

You don't run knives unless stealth zealot

Silly

[hybrid hazel]

Kantrael could use a different set of blessings too

This one is good fun if you're tired of your No respite + Full bore main shotty

this

and this

make no sense

If you're milking crit chance so much that you forego +25% damage perk, might as well find some points for a talent

Curios are a bit weird. I mean, it's a preference thing too but it's probably not a great idea to spend 6 curio perks for better blocking

Not sure about the value Clay gets from that but ok

[unborn marsh]

I think that is actually use whatever perks you like

I think that's what it defaults to or smth

[hybrid hazel]

Could be, it's really up to you, the player.

Also might as well consider picking this wonder

There's a lot of things in the zealot skill tree that will net you a lot of value
But it's only important to be aware of these things, not picking all the best ones. There has to be a conscious choice. You have to know what you are not getting and decide for yourself if it's worth it.

[turbid torrent]

I ended up with this

pretty nice tbh

just have to get used to how slow the new evi is

[hybrid hazel]

That's quite a lot you've sacrificed

10% attack speed and 20% melee damage

Honestly, at this point I'd would drop twbs and duelist and put these points here

But I'm biased

If your evi has shred, you might also consider this

It's an option, not a THIS IS BETTER type advice

[turbid torrent]

I’d have to sacrifice way too much

[hybrid hazel]

Indeed

[tawdry burrow]

Only messed up in that the icon didn’t show 👍 if you ran second wind, you had the same effect

[tawdry burrow]

It’s sorta nice, Sustained Assault + Duelist + Punishment will give you better damage

[tawdry burrow]

In exchange for becoming immortal tbh

Second Wind, TWBS, TDR on crit, constant chastise, etc

Plenty of attack speed damage

[hybrid hazel]

Yes it's not bad by any measure

[hybrid hazel]

It only applies to every other attack btw. Still nice though.

[proud stream]

The icon was not showing yes

[proud stream]

I can understand not taking twbs for this reason. I play 4 characters too. And with the hsword it's not mandatory

[proud stream]

Try that.

Scatter shot flechette is fun and a bit meme. But it's actually bugged.

See here:

[elder wedge]

This guy worth trying to see what it becomes?

[tawdry burrow]

Long as you get dumdum yea

[elder wedge]

Damn it

It became this

Salvagable?

[proud stream]

Ghost 4 is very good

You could go dumdum ghost and sprint eff to maniac or flak. I don't remember what's better on the laspistol

[pure lynx]

What should I be looking for in a revolver?

[hybrid hazel]

Hand cannon and surgical for Zarona, Hand cannon and Crucian/Point blank for Agripinaa.

[dark bolt]

holy shit?

[limber prairie]

low finesse

bricked

[dark bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/grand-theft-auto-carl-johnson-cj-gta-grand-theft-auto-san-andreas-gif-16103935

[frail goblet]

current skill treebuild for auric shouty pairing this with kitrel full bore IV so I can one shot muties and ragers on heresey, autopistol is a great second option for gun ngl

[proud stream]

this node is better than the other one

but if you want to keep both you can sacrifice a toughness node up in the tree

[royal orbit]

Why would you take the -20% stamina spend while running ?

[neon fog]

Run fast

[frail goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/andronic-android-sonic-dash-sonic-running-gif-26154716

gottah goah fast

[frail goblet]

yeah was thinking about getting rid of one of toughness nodes

[royal orbit]

But it doesn't even do that

[frail goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-cat-browthy-gif-27553989

well you at lest run longer lol

[earnest plover]

What’s the knife build?

[proud stream]

just run a regular build, but you want to take the duellist talent

that's the only requirement

[earnest plover]

whch side is better

or should i ust run martyrdom

[limber prairie]

depends on the weapons

depends on your curious

[proud stream]

depends on your tree up top

[pure lynx]

does decimator work with headtaker?

[limber prairie]

yes they both stack Power

[vocal belfry]

If you decide on sticking with that, I suggest expeditiously removing the last talent that shares an incredibly minor amount of crit with your team and putting it into anything else

[frail goblet]

both of my shouty builds have gone with center "martyr" part of the tree, im running a 300 damage mk ii eviscerator w/couple with the MASSIVE martyr boost and 25% damage to maniac enemies and im able to basically just two shot ragers on malice, its very satisfying ngl.

long story short center is best no contest

thoguh right side of the tree isnt a bad alt ngl

[hybrid hazel]

The last talent is +10% crit chance

[snow patio]

how is 10% a minor amount of crit

[hybrid hazel]

It's not

[vocal belfry]

Either I'm misremembering or they changed it, or the last talent gives teammates 33% of the bonus from blazing piety

Yeah nm mb

Was thinking of last talent on the other side of it

[limber prairie]

what do I do to make this better

[analog birch]

Change Terrifying Barrage to Dumdum.

Perks depend on what you want to shoot with it

[limber prairie]

running a fury of the faithful build, so presumbly flak & crushers

[proud stream]

i run unyielding + raking fire against bosses

it's great

[urban cobalt]

Hello! I wonder how I could improve my build?

[proud stream]

It lacks synergy

And you avoid some of the best talents

Why go Crit to right if you do not intended to use them with the Crit CDR node? You could argue more survivability from dr on crit but you do not take until death / holy rev, shield of contempt, good balance, thy wrath be swift or restoring faith.

Voice of terra gain is minuscule compared to 15 tg on dodge

[tidal inlet]

had this thing just sitting in my inventory apparently - slapped some crafts on it and it ain't too bad

[proud stream]

Would you have any good breakpoints if you used dumdum instead of ghost?

[gloomy forum]

i would swap crit chance for maniacs

[tidal inlet]

I'll likely be swapping the crit and ghost out as desired if I change up the base build. The role I have this weapon performing is very much as a sidearm option to make closing in on ranged enemies easier/plinking away at big targets whilst melee is absolutely not an option. As a more dedicated source of removal, dumdum would be awesome on this thing but I haven't been able to find that blessing for the life of me

I'm not super sure what to swap the crit chance for, I put it on there to just get me playing with the weapon and see how impactful infernus feels since I haven't really messed with it much

[limber prairie]

the 5% isn't make or break. the weapon has innate bonus crit chance + you usually run it with blazing piety /fury of the faithful

[cosmic lagoon]

Gonna send a few builds ones very much a hack and slash using a tact axe. the following will be a support build and the last one is something ima try and convert to a boss smacker

The axe build

[cosmic lagoon]

Should add I use the same curious as I dont know much about them

I use the same shotgun

^Support

same thunder hammer and shotgun

for high damage

Never owned a flamer picked this up thoughts

re roll, refine or scrap or save

[limber prairie]

scrap the flamer

itn eeds 76% burn or more

or its bad ™️

[urban cobalt]

If you go with shotgun or flamer you should grab the Anoint in Blood and Enemies within, Enemies without talents for some consistent ranged damage and toughness replenishment

[cosmic lagoon]

Would you recommend either or should i just replace the fun completely

[urban cobalt]

Just thought it would be synergistic with your ranged weapons

[proud stream]

you want to use 2 or 3 wounds on martyr, the martyr cdr point is wasted

you should use that point and another one to get the dmg and dmg reduction on missing wounds

[cosmic lagoon]

Gotcha

[cosmic lagoon]

sorry wrong build xD

thats the "fixed" I think

[proud stream]

I mean. I played a 2 toughness 1 w + tg nodes + Dr nodes (as much as I could afford) martyrdom build. And it was tanky

That's not fixed at all

CDR on dmg is not good at all

Why take the martyr keystone and not the +2 wounds talent and the DMG + DR on missing wounds?

You could reallocate some points

Like this

[cosmic lagoon]

ty

[cosmic lagoon]

how do you typically play with these builds etc what weapons

[proud stream]

I would suggest the crusher with the skullcrusher blessing

Or a combat axe with brutal momentum + headtaker

Antax or Rashad

I would probably go combat axe, it's the easiest to master

Considering you don't use fury and have no access to hidden armor downgrade

You have the zarona revolver with surgical handcannon

The bolter with pinning fire + surgical / Shatter impact

Well you can use everything tbh. No that if you decide to use a ranged weapon weak against some armor like carapace you'll have to use your melee

[cosmic lagoon]

Hate using range tbh no fun (when u can just go hehe slice / smash)

[proud stream]

Yeah but you gotta take care of those snipers and shooters..

[cosmic lagoon]

the only time I use range ngl

also whats the main dif between tho 2 builds

[proud stream]

depends if you want cdr or not on chorus

you get it a the cost of 20 close range dmg and damage reduction on dodge

[gloomy kernel]

there is a guide like this for zealot ? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[hybrid hazel]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3088553235

[gloomy kernel]

it's just a guide with every talent of zealot

[merry palm]

Can you explain what you are actually looking for that is in the psyker guide?

[gloomy kernel]

build

[merry palm]

Thank you.

[gloomy kernel]

You have like 5,6 builds in the psyker guide, could be cool to have the same for zealot

[hybrid hazel]

Zealots are not really hard to build. Pick a blitz, a combat ability, and a keystone, and connect them with lines. Chances are it's at least playable.

[hybrid hazel]

don't forget to post it for critique later

[neon fog]

Just run martyrdom and call it a day

Any weapons would work

(Bm combat axe best)

[hybrid hazel]

[proud stream]

Zealot is more chose a weapon first, then a build

At least in my experience

[merry palm]

Isnt that every class?

[limber prairie]

No

ogyrn , psykers and vet radically change their role and performancd based on talents and weapons

Zealot is almost purely static

[proud stream]

At least chorus is there to do something a bit different.

[wide sky]

What is a good support/control build for the shouty boy

[limber prairie]

bring crusher

bring chorus

thats it really

GL hf

[wide sky]

I love the thunder hammer but Jesus it’s hit and miss

[vocal belfry]

What do you dislike about it?

[wide sky]

I can’t figure out how to tackle mobs with it, I can four tap a boss with no issue but heaven forbid I gotta carry

My main is an ogryn and I can steam roll a 5 tier with him but I’m tryinna get this zealot up to par

[vocal belfry]

Which hammer are you rocking?

Both have different strengths, even if their main purpose is about the same

[wide sky]

Crucis rn but I swapped back to smasher bc of the stagger it’s insane

[wide sky]

I love the damage to single target I can do with it it’s insane but I haven’t figured out which is better for hoards that’s my main issue

I can knock a Ogryns back out of his chest but I can’t push back whole hoards effectively like I can with a crusher

[vocal belfry]

Crucis can be tough but rewarding to learn, but one of its weaknesses is indeed horde clear

Ironhelm is pretty good for horde clear, it sacrifices some of the single target activated damage, but it can still one shot almost anything other than bosses with buffs up

[wide sky]

Bet lol

[vocal belfry]

Both are great for their purpose but if you wanna horde clear, go for an ironhelm

[wide sky]

Thank u

[vocal belfry]

Np np, ask me or zealot chat if you have any questions

[wide sky]

Dealio

My ogryn brain finds it difficult

[brisk briar]

Any builds to take a gander at that involve the eviscerator?

[proud stream]

?

[frail goblet]

What’s the best build for a toughness regen shouti

[hybrid hazel]

All zealot builds put heavy emphasis on toughness replenishment

[small rain]

Probably crit chorus

With an evi, dclaw or chsword

But if you are talking about the toughness regen perk on curios, never, zealots doesn’t synergize well since it only affects coherency regen which is disabled by being in melee combat

Mk6 knife should also be okay for crit chorus but the mk3 just doesnt hit enough targets imo

[frail goblet]

Yeah I was traditionally going with the mk2 cause damage didn’t think of going mk6 I wanna see how fast it is

[broken spade]

hi all im new to darktide anyone knows a meta build for zealot

[hybrid hazel]

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[broken spade]

any knife stealth build for zealot?

[hybrid hazel]

Make your own build and post it. People will tell you how to improve it.

[unkempt helm]

Cunningham's law

[broken spade]

ty!

[pulsar fossil]

any build with thunderhammer?

[vocal belfry]

Almost any works as long as it includes Thy Wrath Be Swift tbh

If you want you can send one and I'll give pointers if anything sticks out

Post hammer as well

[frail goblet]

honestly ive just been spamming eviscerator, only use i can see for a knife is a build that regens toughness per hit

[small rain]

momentum is generally considered better for better access to backstab CDR

chastise is more consistent while stealth has a higher damage potential, aura doesn't really matter

[half holly]

Better than Martyrdom for hammer? Since Martyrdom seems to give a way higher damage buff, but is obviously riskier and doesn't get any good CDR easily accessible

[small rain]

Martyrdom only beats out momentum when it is past 3 missing wound. Hammer you will be dodging more so always 20% with the attached momentum talent and the movement speed is good as well for hammer

[royal orbit]

Momentum builds ruined, sadge

[small rain]

it's really not

[hot rapids]

How'

s the new patch

[gloomy forum]

Why sustained fire lol, anything else is basically an upgrade.

Ghost taking less damage
Death spitter more reliable dmg that doesnt require stopping your shooting
Terrifying barrage aoe supress
Whatever that other close ranged damage increase is called

[proud stream]

There is no ghost on ciag

And selfish uses it for burst shooting elites

[gloomy forum]

Oh right its called hit n run now. The one that makes you immune to ranged attacks on close kill

[proud stream]

It was always hit and run

Ghost is on headhunter autoguns!

[neon fog]

Extra damage to burst a special.

I only use range for specials and weird stuff.

[fleet prism]

is this damage good enough for lvl 5 missions

or should i invest in this one?

[proud stream]

Second one is far better

You want thrust + slaughterer / headtaker / skullcrusher (the last one is more for horde clearing) on ironhelm

[fleet prism]

Would running momentum also work?

[proud stream]

You want more DMG tbh

Considering you can use chastise or toughness on dodges to get your tg back

And killing too

[fleet prism]

Ok

Makes sense

[neon fog]

Stealth loner martyrdom combat axe is cool

[half holly]

I got a crusher and a heavy sword 9 build, both with Zarona

My Internet is a bit too sporadic to let me link them atm though

Zealot is very flexible tbh, you can make most things work. Just take second wind if you put any investment in the top right at all because it's strong as fuck

And probably take at least Until Death for the safety net

[hybrid hazel]

This is as generic as it gets, will work well with any weapon.

[half holly]

Blazing Piety is a riot btw

[sharp oar]

any suggestions for my build to make it better? I can do good crowd control and somewhat okay single target damage. Looking to improve my build. Please help!

[hybrid hazel]

Looks like you could benefit from shred+rampage blessings on your weapon.

[half holly]

I think Bloodthirsty is more for the XV

[sharp oar]

Oh that the meta? Sorry I usually don't follow meta but just looking for alt builds besides being knife Zealot. Thanks

[hybrid hazel]

np

[half holly]

Mark 2 can also take savage sweep

Can't remember which one you want to replace with it though, I'm a XV knuckledragger

[sharp oar]

Cheers I'll check this out

[half holly]

Mark 2 evis is one of the harder weapons to use effectively btw

It's very good though when you get good with it (allegedly)

If you don't get great results right away don't get discouraged

[silk bolt]

It’s definitely one of the more “fun” weapons that Zealot has

Almost entirely skill-based moveset - no outright busted attacks or CC on demand

But in reality, it is a “worse” Combat axe

[half holly]

I hate how it feels on single targets

I wanna rev heavy a crusher in half

But XV is the one for that

II opens with a light on single targets iirc

XV bisects them from face hole to arse hole

[warm owl]

Looking for a use for an extra talent point after switching to immolations nades - any suggestions? Some thoughts are Blood Redemption, Punishment, Fortitude in Fellowship

Build: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bc2ba71-c315-4757-854d-c2a24157e066/zealot-18

[vocal belfry]

I forget if second wind procs on ranged dodge or just melee, if it does then absolutely take that and if it doesn't... still a good option. Restoring Faith or Until Death is also good for survivability. I advise against aura talents, especially regen ones because it's nerfed in melee (in regards to Fortitude in Fellowship)

Blood redemption is a decent option, not incredible but it'll always be giving you value

If you're keeping Rashad on, I think Punishment will be very hard to proc but I could be wrong.

[small rain]

depending on the weapon punishment can be great, but for rashad I'd skip it, hard to proc and doesn't help more than a good push attack

definitely not fortfriends

[small rain]

ok, take off the point from retributor's stance and swap scourge and enduring faith for blood redemption and second wind (ret stance is only at max 30% coherency regen which is garbo for zealot).

rashad does not use crit that well, better than most combat axes but the finesse is mostly for attack speed and weakspots, not crit, especially without full sending it into blazing piety

okay miscounted the points

okay, shield of contempt should compensate for the loss of crit DR cause i'm betting that is why you took that side

also i wouldn't get ability regen % with curios, especially with a cdr option

martyr can kinda think with it cause their cdr is a dead point, so no one uses it. but with backstab cdr you don't really need ability regen. rashad can flip enemies around with special and push attack

zealot also doesn't really need stam regen, we have high base stam regen and we get more for being in melee/hit in melee as well

and efficiencies just aren't needed especially cause you want to be draining your stam for desperation

[small rain]

here is my throw in for curios, some sniper resist so they won't hard chunk you if you slip up. still some stam regen to get back up from 0 every 5 seconds between proccing desperation, but the +3 stam for more toughness so you can drain your stam quicker and easier

DT blocking is way more forgiving than VT2s, you can spam block after guard break and keep blocking most attacks

[warm owl]

This is amazing, I didn't know that about blocking

Yeah CDR on curios was basically since no crit CDR

[small rain]

yea, and dodges don't cost stam, which they did in vt2, so you'd have to know which to do, doing the wrong one could leave you out in the air, dodges have their own count now that regens all at once

backstab cdr should manage, I'm familiar with the hammer combos, but i'm pretty sure rashad has a combo with special and/or push attack the flips an enemy around so you can cut the back of it's head

[warm owl]

And funny, I had desperation but never thought of it as draining stamina

It was just a node to to the aura

[small rain]

you basically want to use blocks and push attacks to get your stam to zero every 5 seconds for the buff

pretty risky but imo it's worth for 20% more damage

things looking dicey you can just ignore the buff for a moment

[warm owl]

That looks awesome I'll give it a shot

Thank you for the builds and advice

[dark bane]

what weapons are good atm ?

[small rain]

no idea about the new ones but none of our weapons ate a nerf i'd say just avoid the tactical axe

and pick what is fun

[dark bane]

i was playing befor combat axe and hammer

[hot rapids]

oh, so this is the nerf

[proud stream]

gotta reload fast

[dim acorn]

This was a long long time coming. I can't believe it survived past the first month. Being able to chastise into a group of 8 crushers with a bolter and kill them all in one magazine was stupid.

[vocal belfry]

Tbf what else did the bolter's clunky ass do better than other weapons 💀 Can agree with the change though

[sturdy rose]

trying to find the best ranged to pair with my crucis T hammer

For higher difficulties, is there another weapon I should be targeting like a Boltgun or one of the autogun patterns?

[proud stream]

last pistol mk2 with dumdum, revolver zarona with surgical and hand cannon, graia or agri braced autogun, columnus or any infantry autogun... or maybe flamer

[sturdy rose]

is mobility the dump stat on the las pistol? and what's the dump stats for the autoguns?

[proud stream]

don't go below 51 tho

[sturdy rose]

gonna try and roll some laspistols what do you like for the 2nd blessing, ghost?

[proud stream]

damage and stopping power are dmg

you can be quite lenient with ammo, especially on the columnus iag... there's not that much of a diff between 60 and 80 (non that really matters)

collateral is whatever

as for stability i honestly don't care about it on a braced autogun because you're spraying

[proud stream]

ghost / infernus (if you run blazing piety) / raking / reassuringly something are valid

[sturdy rose]

here are some agirpinaa and columnus rolls I have

[proud stream]

you could go flak + unarmored, fire frenzy and deathspitter on the braced

your columnus if you go unyielding + flak and dum dum + raking you have a boss deleter

especially if you take anoint in blood, purge the unclean and if you got another point ranged backstab dmg

[remote ginkgo]

What should I look for in a stealthy build combat blade on perks and blessings? I am trying it with the double barrel and I may not be any good but sure is fun as hell

[slow stump]

what y'all running for shock maul build?

[hybrid hazel]

Hmm, I should try stealth martyrdom with the maul...

[sonic cloak]

right so..... how do you get that without reworking it?! been trying and failing...

[hot void]

keep bashing your head against it until you get a good one

[pulsar fossil]

Which blessing should use with bolt pistol?

[small rain]

lethal proximity+ puncture or surgical+ DA or surgical+ puncture

[pulsar fossil]

Thanks

[proud stream]

https://tenor.com/view/ferrets-ferret-ball-tubes-infinite-hole-tunnel-gif-23147409

[small rain]

tube business

[sonic cloak]

no..... you are doing something.... idk what! But! This is literally impossible...

[earnest plover]

how important is pen?

[small rain]

very

it's your flak and carapace damage

[earnest plover]

ah ok

also, is attack speed additive? would it be better to pick disdain or faithful frenzy?

[small rain]

it is additive

[tawny lodge]

I think most stats besides DR are additive

[small rain]

you wanna dump mobility and a bit of cleave targets, since mk15 has a hard cleave damage cap of 4 targets

[earnest plover]

understood thanks, would you rather take disdain or faithful frenzy?

cant tell how helpful disdain really is?

[hybrid hazel]

Disdain is not as helpful as it sounds because it only applies bonus damage on every 2nd attack.

[royal orbit]

Oh I didn't know it worked like that

So attacks that benefit from disdain don't give disdain stacks ? That's lame

And also fairly incoherent with how everything else work in the game, but fat shark am I right...

[small rain]

It’s a 1st point talent, ogryn has similar talent to disdain iirc

[hot rapids]

Not important for XV

[dire galleon]

small world