veteran-class

[fiery raft]

i thought it was just the punch guy that blocked people

[honest quiver]

now he was blocking us because he was upset that bathrawr told him he was wrong about the chainsword lmao

[fiery raft]

what a little chuddy

[honest quiver]

called them a spreadsheet nerd and shit

so weird

[fiery raft]

yeah i did witness that

[unreal nova]

A mask on or off... though sometimes you want it on all the time.

[honest quiver]

he went into general and said the same thing like bro 😭 nobody is listening

[azure narwhal]

Literal chud crying gif

[honest quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-chudjak-wojak-soyjak-marcvin5-gif-13903021270190271130

[unreal nova]

It's those people. They can't deal with others processing things in an odd or off way. Don't expect much from them tbh.

[fiery raft]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-you-stupid-man-shouting-mask-you-stupid-fucking-chud-gif-15990749296930119037

[azure narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-toy-story-you-are-a-toy-you-are-a-chud-gif-2887627200340906462

[honest quiver]

what is this from omfg

[fiery raft]

a video of a kid calling another kid a chud

[honest quiver]

i found it jesus christ

insane crashout

[fair shale]

I genuinely feel so bad for teachers

[thorny egret]

fr

goddamn can you imagine?

[fair shale]

Ik all eras of youth are kinda fucking annoying but my teacher friends say this one is really bad

[fair shale]

I don't have to i get stories lmfao

[honest quiver]

always had horrible experiences with teachers growing up

i must have been one of bush's children that were left behind

[sonic kayak]

No

I wouldn't leave my children behind

[honest quiver]

mr pesident......... waow......

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[hybrid plover]

why is this chat so chudded out right now

[narrow frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241878072605540508/1324137193421148211/media-iv-text.gif

Idk

I just work here

[honest quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-licking-popsicle-gif-3122588929262013745

[hybrid plover]

go on. do something

you wont >:O

i will say, it has been at times

well

[narrow frost]

Imma click a gif I have that won't load. We'll see what it is

[hybrid plover]

maybe not in this particular chat

[narrow frost]

https://imgur.com/a/03c7gOc

This one

Funny attack speed

[hybrid plover]

AH i see what's happening there

I had to take a moment to realize

[narrow frost]

Standing there

I realized

You were just like me

Trying to make history

[mystic pilot]

I can see it had to do with throwing grenade into the standing horde

[narrow frost]

Wait wrong song

[mystic pilot]

just dont know specifically what buff that's do it

[hybrid plover]

Forceful

[hybrid plover]

Nah I think you got it right

[livid sphinx]

So whats the point of the heavy sword?

[narrow frost]

Sword

One of the best mixed horde clear weapons. Very high maniac damage

Destroys dregs

[hybrid plover]

It's basically one of the best weapons for anything that isn't carapace

But that sole fact of it being not great at carapace makes it a hard choice to recommend in most cases

Heavy sword is a weapon that balanced for a different Darktide basically

[livid sphinx]

Ohh okay

[fair shale]

Works on scum tho

Haha talent tree rending go brrrt

[unreal nova]

Is like they compensate for many things on the paid classes.

[fair shale]

Tell that to people who think scum is bad

[lyric path]

ha hive scum is great its a glass cannon sure but its more class than cannon rn i reckon

[fair shale]

Hey, whatever you wanna believe

Personally I think it's a reflection of personal skill.

[hollow ibex]

is the glass you're talking about?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1454712379530285129/E77C511.MP4?ex=695804ba&is=6956b33a&hm=8443848992578d0d1d1eded85c58ed9cacd01f2501eaf9bfe2d4ff79adafe19e&

ainz playing HIV at h40

gets burstered

and takes an overhead from a crusher

[narrow frost]

This was actually shield of contempt too

[hollow ibex]

speak of the devil

[livid sphinx]

I actually like hive scum because of the dakka

[narrow frost]

I realized a day later

[livid sphinx]

which ironically the vet doesn't have

[hollow ibex]

that makes sense

[narrow frost]

But yes I had nearly max Dr too

[hollow ibex]

but i can confirm

you can at least take an auric crusher overhead

and not die

[lyric path]

nope

[hollow ibex]

HIV can be a glass cannon

if you build it that way

[lyric path]

its just through out my time playing both with and as a hive scum ya regular hive scum does seem like more glass than cannon

but hey what i know

[hollow ibex]

make sure you're taking hive city brawler

that's 20% dr right there

[fair shale]

For existing

[hollow ibex]

rampage can get you another 25%

[livid sphinx]

WTF I thought they already fixed the poxbursters not having sounds

[fair shale]

They said stuff was fixed but tbh poxbursters and dogs still feel stupidly jank

[hollow ibex]

this will be fixed in darktide 3

[fair shale]

No it won't

[hybrid plover]

they lied as easily as they breathed

[livid sphinx]

God damn it. They could at least give it a bigger and more obvious sillouhette just in case the sound channels fuck up as usual

[hollow ibex]

if says they fixed something, there's prob a 50% chance that it's not fixed

[hybrid plover]

i genuinely cannot fathom how people can still think scum is weak even now

[honest quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205990709228994560/1427831210587193385/heist.gif

[livid sphinx]

Cuz I just stepped into a poxburster and died without even knowing its just there

It just blended in with the trash

[hollow ibex]

this is why spidey senses is mandatory for me

[honest quiver]

i haven't had many sound problems since turning down dialogue trim and cutting the music down to 25%

idk during crazy havocs there's so much stuff going on i know some of it gets lost

[hybrid plover]

this has been an issue well before the weird stuff happening with the scum update

because the issue is far deeper than just poxbursters themselves

[honest quiver]

some of us did an auric maelstrom the other week and i posted vids in #darktide-pics-vids about how the burster jump explosion radius was weird and how it was completely quiet up until it blew up

weird shit

[livid sphinx]

I just assume its because sound channels are always limited in games

and darktide has too much shit going on

[hybrid plover]

that's precisely what it is

this game isn't able to handle the sheer amount of sounds happening

[honest quiver]

that's basically what i was getting at yeah

[hybrid plover]

it's why power creep is such a big issue right now

because power creep means they have to up spawns. upped spawns mean more sound issues. sound issues mean a fundamentally worse game.

this is precisely why i was saying that balancing around havoc is possibly the worst thing fatshark can do

and now the game is hella jank on all fronts because of it.

[fair shale]

I think it's kinda

Too far gone

Like i don't see them reverting course

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[fair shale]

I also think autodesk stingray was at it's limits on launch

Let alone now

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure limits were hit in Vermintide 2 in the first place.

[fair shale]

Maybe

All ik is it'll take a miracle for FS to unfuck the game atp

Especially in a reasonable timeframe

[unreal nova]

Mhm. Just a mess.

[patent moth]

hey, uh pro vets
why did i see a veteran with 5-6 wounds on a damnation maelstrom

i havent played veteran in like a year

[livid sphinx]

i mean you can play whatever you want

I even play infantry lasgun on maelstrom sometimes

[hollow ibex]

good sign that he's not a pro vet

if i ever see anyone on my team with wound curios

i automatically assume they're shit

and i'm usually right

[patent moth]

ah wounds are good but i only go for 2 or 3

[steady copper]

Can someone help me in telling what would be the best mark/perk/single target and horde clear combo on a power sword?

[patent moth]

also tbf im good at actually rezzing people as a teammate so he didnt die, just downed a bit

just wanted to know if there was like a joke build

[hollow ibex]

they're fine as training wheels, but like training wheels, you should take them off

as soon as you're ready

[patent moth]

uh no

[hollow ibex]

because the other curio options are just way too good

[hollow ibex]

Mk6, horde clear is light spam, ST is PA L L

[patent moth]

they are good, but wounds is are also like a huge part of the game

[steady copper]

ty

[hollow ibex]

yeh and you get two of them even in aurics/AM

taking wounds is shooting yourself in the foot

[patent moth]

one

the other is death

[hollow ibex]

you get 2

that's 2 wounds

[patent moth]

but you die

[hollow ibex]

you can go down once yes

[patent moth]

take 2 wound and try to hit something

[hollow ibex]

but wound curios are bad for a number of reasons

[patent moth]

cant

[patent moth]

nah not really

[hollow ibex]

they make med stimms less effective
they make corruption restoring talents and auras less effective
they lock you out of taking a defensive curio that is always up (as opposed to only having an effect when downed)
you lose effective hp or stamina by taking a wound curio

[patent moth]

also i do auric maelstrom all the time

[hollow ibex]

cool

i suggest you take literally anything other than a wound curio, if you feel comfortable

[patent moth]

and?

[hollow ibex]

🤷‍♂️

your call

if you go down a lot

wound curios are helpful

but pro tip

you'd go down less if you don't take wound curios

like i said, they're training wheels

[livid sphinx]

Yeah true. Vets are already known as being bad players but if you see wound curios on that vet, you know he's gonna be extra bad

[patent moth]

literally garbage advice

[hollow ibex]

i mean i explained why they're bad

[patent moth]

TRUE

[hollow ibex]

idk what else to tell you my man

[hybrid plover]

...I mean, it's kinda true...

[patent moth]

and i think you are wrong

[dry cloak]

Theres 2 reasons to take wound curios when playing this game. Marty zealot, kamikaze psyker

[hollow ibex]

you see any vets in havoc 40 running wound curios unironically?

[patent moth]

HE GETS IT

[thorny egret]

why take wound curios and not toughness/health/stamina curios

[hollow ibex]

ok this has to be bait lol

[hybrid plover]

In order to have wound curio, you must forgo health/stam/tough curio

[patent moth]

nah cause vet is a stinky shit class

[livid sphinx]

Imagine wasting that slot because you expect to die

[patent moth]

kidding

[hybrid plover]

Three of those things actually help survivability

One doesn't

[hollow ibex]

starting to sound like it's just you bro

[hybrid plover]

Unless it's bait

[dry cloak]

Read the nesaage again. Theres nothing about vet there

[hybrid plover]

Then fair game I guess

[patent moth]

read up, i dont play vet

duh

[hybrid plover]

erm, then why are you even in the vet chat???1???

[patent moth]

i was asking a question a about a player in my game

[dry cloak]

If you play oggy theres even more reson to NOT take wound curios

[patent moth]

not advixe

[dry cloak]

Ah

Did get that

[patent moth]

me when you dont scroll

[thorny egret]

anyway, does anyone have some general advice about starting out with Plasma gun?

[dry cloak]

Sorry

[orchid hemlock]

yeah

point at it

and go boom

[patent moth]

danke :>

[hollow ibex]

spam lmb, aim at head, shooting crushers and bosses with it is inefficient (despite being plasma)

[hybrid plover]

me when i decide to be facetious

[dry cloak]

Bitte

[patent moth]

#veteran-class message

[patent moth]

ok jerk

[thorny egret]

when should I be reloading or venting?

[hollow ibex]

you should use special to vent most of the time

reload is very slow but you can anim cancel

[hybrid plover]

i'm saying i'm kidding you dip

[hollow ibex]

when the valve on top starts spinning, sprint

[thorny egret]

does it damage toughness or health or both?

[hollow ibex]

and it'll cut the reload time by a 4th

[slender elm]

Special damages toughness

[hollow ibex]

i think it only damages hp if you run out of toughness

[patent moth]

oh, ah whoops

[hollow ibex]

idk i never had it damage hp

[livid sphinx]

Reload when you're empty or during elevators

[thorny egret]

okay cool, good to know

[hollow ibex]

i always have toughness

[slender elm]

It's not a lot of damage

[livid sphinx]

Learn to reload cancel

[hollow ibex]

plasma mag is enormous anyway

[orchid hemlock]

does it know?

[hollow ibex]

you won't need to reload often

[patent moth]

@hybrid plover you is chill, my bad

[hybrid plover]

it's okay, clearly you couldn't understand my superior humor ||i'm not actually funny||

[thorny egret]

yeah I saw that, big mag

[hybrid plover]

but yeah uh

vet with 5 wound

bad news

[slender elm]

Mag is half your total ammo but the reload is hell kek

[hybrid plover]

like hella bad news

[patent moth]

kinda suspected, he was level 30 with a lvl 19 zealot

[hollow ibex]

nah, it just means you're playing one difficulty level higher than you queued for

[patent moth]

me and my bf were so confused and carried

[hybrid plover]

what difficulty even was this

[patent moth]

damnation 💀 maelstrom

[hybrid plover]

w-

why???

[slender elm]

Every time I see more than 3 wounds and its not oggy zealot

[patent moth]

thats why i had to ask

[hybrid plover]

what is it with fresh new level 30s taking their underleveled friends into fucking maelstrom of all things???

like you're not that guy pal

i've been seeing this more and more

[patent moth]

funny thing is the zealot was runny maytordom, but i dont even think you can get it at lvl 19 XD

[hybrid plover]

like

i feel that is how you convince someone

not to play a game anymore

when you're just taking them to actively get their shit kicked in constantly

[patent moth]

literally, and dont get me wrong, i was also doing a funny build. but that's just atrocious on damnation

(hive scum bolt gun)

also im get out of veteran chat now :)

[dry cloak]

Its possible to get marty with 17 points

[patent moth]

ah ok, so he weren't crazy

[livid sphinx]

Alright time to max out combat shotgun. What's the best mark with it?

[hybrid plover]

Agrippina

[livid sphinx]

Whats the difference of that and the blue one

[hollow ibex]

agri is the "light" variant with slugs and the highest finesse

[livid sphinx]

Zarona I think is the name

[hollow ibex]

largest tube size

fastest reload

[livid sphinx]

Ahhh

[hollow ibex]

lowest base damage, but tbh? finesse makes up for it

[hybrid plover]

higher mag count, less base damage but crazy finesse damage

[hollow ibex]

meanwhile assatran is on the other side of the spectrum

terrible fucking finesse

high base damage

it sucks ass

[hybrid plover]

i like accatran

[hollow ibex]

it's always ok to like ass

but it is what it is: ass

[livid sphinx]

Well, I do prefer ass

[hollow ibex]

zarona's good too

it's just assatran that really suffers

[hybrid plover]

man idk how i get such different results with these things

[livid sphinx]

Too bad the accatran has the cool alt attack

[hybrid plover]

like i think accatran's the worst but i don't think it's ass either

it just serves a different purpose compared to the other two

[hollow ibex]

i mean you can use it as a budget double barrel on WS i guess

but the special is quite pathetic

and even as a DB replacement it's pretty meh

[hybrid plover]

it's also really good at slowing down a horde

when you need it to

[livid sphinx]

Yeah its so cool but I remember using it when it came out and it just sucks balls

[hollow ibex]

as usual best form of cc is death

[hybrid plover]

ya, which is why i usually run scattershot + flechette on it

if not with ws which then it's manstopper

[hollow ibex]

zarona would still be a better horde sweeper

[slender elm]

What guns are good for headshotting carapace?

[livid sphinx]

bolter

[hybrid plover]

helbore and revolver

[hollow ibex]

if you go full left side memes, there's a lot of options

vet gets enough finesse and rending that you can force many guns to kill crushers efficiently

even if you have to drag them kicking and screaming into that role

[hybrid plover]

those are at least the two base options that are by default at least somewhat efficient

but yeah MMF can make a lot of guns suddenly hold up against carapace

[hybrid plover]

bolter isn't that good tbh

[livid sphinx]

I mean whenever I bring weapons that are not that good against carapace, I just bring krak

[hybrid plover]

like it can work but it's not great at it.

[slender elm]

I'll play around with my left side build I guess

[hollow ibex]

"Deagle" build

[slender elm]

Sigh, performance is all over the place when weapons are not maxed

[hollow ibex]

because bistol is the cloest thing there is to a deagle

[slender elm]

Cant even test properly

[hollow ibex]

though bistol's kinda sad on vet unless you go heavy left or crutch on WS crits

[hybrid plover]

bistol's kinda sad*

don't even need to include the vet part

[hollow ibex]

hey it's actually pretty damn good with all left build

and also good on arbi

explodey version is good on HIV too

[slender elm]

I wanna do the rifles

[hybrid plover]

i mean, ya but as you said, it requires that investment or it's just

eh

[slender elm]

Autoguns*

[hollow ibex]

vraks can shred crushers

if you go all left

with rending strikes

[slender elm]

I have a brauto but it doesn't do heads so its kinda derp

[hollow ibex]

yeah you can forget about shooting crushers with brauto

[unreal nova]

Is just statstick for booms for most part.

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's how most people use it

[dry cloak]

Full set? Looks good

[livid sphinx]

Whats the difference of the agripina and the zarona special?

combat shotgun I mean

[fair shale]

Agri is a slug

Zarona iirc duckbills?

Which is to say spreads in a line like ---

[livid sphinx]

I mean I tried both and I didnt really feel any difference in the specials

ohhhhhhhh

Man, the combat shotgun in general is so bad. The only reason why i'm playing this is to complete every mastery

[calm shard]

how did you not feel a difference the zarona's crosshair gets massive

[fair shale]

Uh

[calm shard]

so...here's the thing

[fair shale]

That's bait

That has to be

[calm shard]

combat shotguns are generally considered some of the best guns in the game

Agripinaa is usually the one people point at for that

but Zarona is just as good

[fair shale]

Agri CS fucks things up

The slug is iirc one of the strongest ranged attacks in the game

[calm shard]

Agri CS is like THE pocket sniper gun for people not named veteran

and is a viable alternative to plasma on veteran

[livid sphinx]

I mean why use that if you have better options

[fair shale]

What do you think the better options are

[thick needle]

I think that one guide said it's immune to suppression?

[livid sphinx]

combat shotguns can't even one shot at close range

a shotgun

[fair shale]

One shot what

Are you shooting arms or something

[livid sphinx]

elites or sometimes even trash

[fair shale]

????

Show me your shotgun

[hollow ibex]

that's why

[calm shard]

where are your damage blessings

[livid sphinx]

I'm still levelling up my mastery

[fair shale]

Full Bore No Respite

[hollow ibex]

you can't judge a gun until you master it

[fair shale]

Flak/Maniacs and Unyielding

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/M9IBRJV

[fair shale]

Yeah like

Its my preferred vet gun for havoc tbqh

[livid sphinx]

I mean either way it just doesn't feel good. Reloading takes way too long, you have to keep loading every shot the good stuff to make it viable against carapace

[fair shale]

You shouldn't be shooting carapace anyway

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1431856953994252339/5F22521.MP4?ex=69589634&is=695744b4&hm=eb93031c43df707384b7d87b3be710575da0bfd7bfe8afbd1bc47bf047d0aa1b&

i mean it deletes auric crushers if you build for it

[calm shard]

I love it so much but I just shoot too much for its ailing ammo reserves so I don't use it as often

It does such ungodly damage into everything

[livid sphinx]

Well, you are using like 1/4 if your shots available to kill a crusher

[fair shale]

Shotguns are fun

Thank god it's a shell by shell reload

[calm shard]

why are you even shooting crushers anyways

guns being bad at killing them is the expected

[hollow ibex]

in my clip it's two shots

[fair shale]

And you don't have to commit to reloading all 12

[hollow ibex]

but yeah you prob shouldn't be shooting them anyway

[calm shard]

and like cmbat shotgun can kill them if you build for it

which is more than most guns can say

[livid sphinx]

Especially compared to the arby shotgun

its just so inferior to it

[fair shale]

Its literally better

[calm shard]

okay I'm with Tongs initial observation now this is bait

[fair shale]

Yeah

[livid sphinx]

I mean you can't really have a healthy conversation if you call everything that you disagree with bait

[fair shale]

Tbh

You want my honest opinion?

I think you're using a gun you have set up wrong and pre judging it and acting like you know what you're talking about.

I consistently see you in here with living on Jupiter tier takes.

You have come to this table without even having a good set up on the gun.

[livid sphinx]

You can't accept that I think Helbore is trash?

Or even infantry lasgun?

[hollow ibex]

well ilas is pretty shit

but helbore is definitely not trash

you don't need to like it

[fair shale]

You can dislike Helbore

[hollow ibex]

but it's objectively a good gun lol

[fair shale]

But that doesn't make it bad.

[hollow ibex]

even moreso than combat shotty tbh

[livid sphinx]

The problem in general with the combat shotty is the reload

[hollow ibex]

it really ain't that bad

[livid sphinx]

and how inconsistent it feels

[hollow ibex]

and you can take tac reload if you need it

[livid sphinx]

its just the nature of shotguns I guess

[hollow ibex]

and the per-shell reload has its advantages

you can reload even during short downtimes

so you can just keep yourself constantly topped off

[fair shale]

You do not have to commit to a 13 shell reload

[calm shard]

GROSS

[hollow ibex]

eh?

tac reload is great

[fair shale]

I shoot twice and reload two shells normally

[hollow ibex]

i mean i won't say it's mandatory, but it feels really good on CS

[fair shale]

Its not a bolter

Or a plasma

[calm shard]

I usually path through longshot because I play very heavily gun focused builds on veteran is why

[livid sphinx]

I am aware of that but during intense situations, its hard that you're always out of ammo

[hollow ibex]

i think i take both just because i like the snappy reload

and if i'm spamming slugs

[hybrid plover]

homie you cannot just say something about a weapon class like this when this is what you're running around with

[fair shale]

Deadass

Go unfuck your shotgun and come back with new opinions

[livid sphinx]

Hey I mean you can have the shittiest plasma gun and still say its OP

[hollow ibex]

i mean it's just unfair to judge a gun that you have a fucked setup for

[hybrid plover]

i mean, the plasma gun is just an outlier though. that doesn't say anything about quite literally every other gun!!!

[livid sphinx]

Alright so since i'm not gonna be dealing with crushers or whatever, I shouldnt take the carapace perk no?

[hybrid plover]

Nope. You don't do that for combat shotgun

[fair shale]

.

[hybrid plover]

It's a mix of flak/maniac/unyielding depending on what-

[fair shale]

.

[hybrid plover]

what they said

[livid sphinx]

Got it. Thank you

[fair shale]

No problem

[calm shard]

though I will say if you are going FULL GUN BUILD

MMF, and the whole left tree works

man-stopper is better than no respite because nothing's going to survive that first shot anyways

[fair shale]

Manstopper is a good option

[livid sphinx]

So the meta for combat shotguns is to play it like a sniper or is it like one of those meme builds?

[hollow ibex]

you can use it as a sidearm

or you can use it as a sniper

or you can use it as a horde sweeper

depends on the build

there's a lot of flexibility

[livid sphinx]

Okay then

[thick needle]

Nothing is OP if you're dogshit at the game

[thick needle]

Is this saying that charge rate affects the fire rate even if you're not bracing

[hybrid flame]

Yes

[hybrid plover]

ye

[thick needle]

Damn, I had that dumped that whole time

[slender elm]

Lel

[unreal nova]

You dump Thermal for a reason if poor.

[thick needle]

I am indeed

[unreal nova]

For lower diffs, that extra shot doesn't matter as much.

It only starts mattering if you reach higher havocs.

By then, you probably can afford to gamble more.

[thick needle]

I thought I was loaded but then I gave my Scum an optimized version of every weapon

[unreal nova]

Even shared ones?

[thick needle]

Wdym shared

You can't transfer weapons between characters, can you

Okay I was gonna feel real stupid for a moment but yeah shared ones too

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/yuGZP1O all three at the same time

[raw sky]

what does the Emperor's Fading Light actually do?

[unreal nova]

That is docket murder. I usually focus only on exclusives and knoife.

[thick needle]

Surprisingly the dockets are fine it's the diamantine that was depleted to 0

[unreal nova]

Oh. Yeah, ppl don't loot on higher diffs and lower hands out a pittance.

[hybrid plover]

https://gyazo.com/dbfea1634e571bef0c4dc85b2d3e6951

https://gyazo.com/be6602267a11b89afdbc70a248dde8fe

[thick needle]

See I always take the time to loot because what if my teammates need those resources

#be the change you want to see

[unreal nova]

Don't need to tell that to a loot gremlin.

I see box, hear no trappers, BOX LOOT BOX OPEN BOX EMPTY SAD.

[thick needle]

Real as fuck

[raw sky]

thanks chief

a million smoochies

[tepid otter]

Really enjoying Bistol as vet atm, what are people playing nowadays

[livid sphinx]

Plasma + DS + VoC + WS

That's the boring answer

[quick shell]

Weap spec + always ready with a double barrel or stub revolver

[slender elm]

If plasma is bad vs carapace do i bodyshot or headshot mauler/plasma gunner

[dry cloak]

if anything plasma should be the best gun against cara

[slender elm]

Been told otherwise

I'm very confused

[dry cloak]

i said ,,should be,, not ,,is,,

plasma is due for a rework

as fatshark stated

[slender elm]

I see

[livid sphinx]

True

Plasma being a better trash clearer than against carapace is weird

[dry cloak]

people say plasma does to much damage

it its concentrated in light attacks sure

i think charged plasma should do like 3x damage with boosted adms

just remember is spewing bullshit here

[livid sphinx]

Ngl though if they're gonna rework plasma, vet will need some other bs cuz as of now the actual meta for Vet is so boring

[dry cloak]

why another vet rework

he does not need a rework

shocktrooper is simply that powerful

with all the crit vet can stack

[livid sphinx]

I mean for Havoc stuff

[dry cloak]

?

high havoc will enforce a certain meta

and balancing around havoc is not a good idea

[livid sphinx]

Even after the rework everyone just still plays VoC and WS with DS + Plasma

[dry cloak]

yes

because high havoc still causes crusher clown cars

[livid sphinx]

Imagine if plasma is nerfed to death, that means Vet won't have any good ranged option for Havoc

[dry cloak]

on damnation which i usually play kraks are enough for crushers

[dry cloak]

and thats where you wrong mate

ask some better players than me

they will give you options

[livid sphinx]

If someone tells me again that combat shotty is viable in havoc I might die of laughter

[dry cloak]

agrip is

boltpistol is

[livid sphinx]

bistol I kinda agree

agrip combat shotty nah cuz you're handicapping yourself since you have a much better option of either a bolter or a plasma

if you're gonna play it as a sniper then just play an actual weapon that is meant to be for sniping

[dry cloak]

helbore

[livid sphinx]

Another niche weapon

[dry cloak]

the thing is helbore without build for its

is still really good

it just becomes ammo hungry

[slender elm]

Why bistol good

[dry cloak]

lethal proximity

[livid sphinx]

Yeah plus the constant charging makes it feel weird in a horde shooter"

[dry cloak]

dt is not a horde shooter

gun is not your main weapon

[livid sphinx]

horde fps

whatever

you get what i mean

[dry cloak]

fps is still first person shooter

[livid sphinx]

l4d2 type game

[slender elm]

Boom hordes?

[livid sphinx]

you get what I mean. You have common sense

[dry cloak]

i can be pedantic

but wont be

[livid sphinx]

Point being is that plasma is the only ranged weapon that feels comfortable to play in higher levels of Havoc

Bolter is almost up there but its too ammo hungry

[unreal nova]

BOOMIES GUD.

[slender elm]

ok

gonna do some contracts on oggy then i try this shit out

[heavy rover]

Nah, I routinely run helbore even on havoc 40

[unreal nova]

Just be Oprah, but handing out live frags to heretics.

:3

[slender elm]

what do i shoot with the bistol then

[unreal nova]

Bitches Trappers.

Bombers, snipers.

[slender elm]

ok

[unreal nova]

It's a statstick otherwise.

[livid sphinx]

You know I wish obese dolphin would give us back the automatic reload for exe stance

Dumping two bolter mags on a monster for instant delete was so fun

[slender elm]

obese megalodon

[livid sphinx]

Pregnant Beluga

[proud bluff]

Recon lasgun

[drowsy wren]

Why is the Sunder blessing always taken on Power Sword over something like Slaughterer? Are heavy attacks more often used with Power Sword or am I missing something?

[austere mica]

Its not the damage

Its the 4x cleave and armor slide

PS already has good enough damage

[quick shell]

Helbore isn’t niche what

[quick shell]

You do it so you can cleave Cara

[quick shell]

It is?

These are some really dog takes 💀

[austere mica]

Ainz's arby true solo runs agri combat

[quick shell]

I think the only weapon vet has I would call non viable for hav40

Is the ilas

[dry cloak]

Sap

[austere mica]

Nah you can make that thing work apparently

[quick shell]

And even then if u really want to use it, vet has the tools to brute force it into viability

Yeah exactly

[austere mica]

And shredder is just good now

[dry cloak]

Tell me about it

[quick shell]

Combat shottie is one of arbs best ranged options

[dry cloak]

I know about build in run n gun and better finnesse

[quick shell]

About what?

[dry cloak]

Not talking to you

[quick shell]

Ah

[thick needle]

I'm surprised, I'd figure the executioner was better in most regards

[drowsy wren]

Which of the MK's on the Helbore Lasgun is most commonly used on higher difficulties with Weight of Fire? I see the guide listing all of them but I don't really understand which to use

[dry cloak]

its the one that you like the most

its a simple trade of between power and speed

[drowsy wren]

I see, thanks!

[viral valve]

helo folks

[orchid hemlock]

Hello chat

[viral valve]

dog

[viral valve]

good dog

[feral bay]

Dogposting? In veteran chat? I guess it makes sense, especially for the cadians. They need the emotional support.

[charred halo]

this is so fucking funny

firing a recon lasgun for 20 straight seconds

[feral bay]

The only proper way to be using it

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/50-cal-firing-machine-gun-gif-7147773590321230044

[livid hill]

Do you guys think male loose cannon and male cutthroat ever hook up

And loosie's like "ohhh youre so uptight lemme loosen you up a bit"

[livid hill]

Unironically difficult for me to use reconlas with gun psyker bc of how used i am to infinite shöot

[hidden scroll]

focus target vs weapons specialist? are there breakpoints i should be aware of?

[livid hill]

Breakpoints? Also it depends on the build

If you like reconlas many will say go focus target but I say go weapons specialist because more fire rate is funni

Anything that is good with crits will like le weapons specialist

[hidden scroll]

ok thanks

by breakpoints i mean do either of them enable one or two shots that wouldn't be possible otherwise when they are up?

i know crit is kind of unreliable

[fair shale]

Fwiw

There's a really comprehensive guide in pins

That just came out

[hidden scroll]

yeah i've been reading it but i was just curious because i don't think my question was covered in the guide

only what those two are good for as a whole

i'll try them both, though

[unreal nova]

Don't think it works that way for recon. You get 10 shots before poof.

[hollow ibex]

FT is for generalist damage, when it's too expensive to path to MMF and team support.
WS is for more melee-oriented/hybrid builds.

WS is quite a bit stronger than FT, though they technically fulfill different roles.

[livid hill]

It increases fire rate which is not entirely practical but is incredibly funny

[unreal nova]

Not really. It works with slower guns because it uses a stack per shot.

Recon would chew it in 1/10th of a sec.

[livid hill]

No that actually only happens with the critical hits! The fire rate increase is until the stacks run out afaict

[unreal nova]

Maybe slower with brown mark.

[unreal nova]

Yes, 1 shot eats 1 stack.

[livid hill]

Hmm

You might be confusing it w the arbites talent

[hollow ibex]

i thought the rof buff was just up for a flat 10 seconds

[unreal nova]

I dunno, at one point I was losing stacks when I shot.

[quick shell]

I'm pretty sure WS should be stack/shot

[livid hill]

I dont think thats the case tbh

[unreal nova]

Why I just revolver/bistol with it.

Nowadays, I don't keep track since it's swap boom bitch and swap back to clearing hordes.

[quick shell]

no it seems like it's just for 10 seconds?

idk

[unreal nova]

Then no clue. It was around the time I was doing it for penances.

Why... painful since Controller and accuracy isn't great.

Also, pretty sure there's a reason recon builds go keystoneless.

[quick shell]

pretty sure recon uses focus target

[unreal nova]

Or keystoneless.

It's the only gun you can run ignoring keystones to grab certain nodes.

[azure narwhal]

no yeah, you just shoot super fast for 10 seconds (with the disatvantage of only your first shot being a crit which is why its nothing big on recon), even as a brown recon user i prefer FT

my personal recon pathing

[hollow ibex]

yeah i think WS on recon is mostly to buff your melee

not for recon itself

[azure narwhal]

definitely

its just people using recon more as a literal sidearm

[hollow ibex]

though ig it can give you 4 stacks of burn on your first shot

so it's not nothing lol

[azure narwhal]

ye

def weird use cause though

i used to run it ages ago, FT does feel better methinks

[unreal nova]

I guess it does, would explain the pointlessness. XII fires fast enough to not need it, VIc is similar, and you never run infernus on that brown mark.

[hollow ibex]

yeah FT's the best keystone for recon

[unreal nova]

Plus you actually want to hit heads on brown.

[azure narwhal]

yeys

[hollow ibex]

XIV with infernus is still good

because if you run XIV you should be running deadshot really

[azure narwhal]

i really like the damage you end up getting with dum dum and uh... deathspitter, was it? yeah the one with strength on kill

i figure

im using the slow mk

might as well make it hit hard

[unreal nova]

I suppose, I just think it might be better to all in on the shots if you really want to run that mark.

[azure narwhal]

yeah if i wanted to run infernus id just revert back to the laser pointer of death

getting ready for the weekly larp sesh

[unreal nova]

Heh, funnier to just goober around imo.

[azure narwhal]

hm tbh

initially i tried this thing with armourbane and carapace

but especially in higher havoc

i figured to hell with it, slapped hot shot and just using it to pick out elites/specials

for cara im just chucking 2000 kraks

[hollow ibex]

well it hits pretty hard, and has good cleave

so it's definitely different from the others

but running it with deathspitter is perfectly valid too

[unreal nova]

Yep. Why I was thinking.

[slender elm]

holy fuck man

31 minute aegis station

8 deaths

how did the team even survive this shit

[unreal nova]

Only 8 deaths?

Have you seen two oggies die over 20 times in a run?

[fair shale]

No you can't judge them, they're wholesome chungus ogryn larping

They're not being detrimental

[unreal nova]

Oh, I just had to run around picking them up and rescuing them.

[slender elm]

im on fucking damnation

[unreal nova]

Very much +++ to my penances.

[unreal nova]

And? That was damns. Arby release. I was all about the no losses try hard to auric.

We even got a bot...

Who somehow survived better than those two.

I don't even.

[slender elm]

what is even your point

[unreal nova]

I'm just saying, things happen, it's the game. Play it, carry/clutch it or just let it wipe if you don't want to.

31 mins isn't even THAT long.

If the players aren't that good.

[slender elm]

i must protest the methods by which you delivered your point

[unreal nova]

Yes, I'm terrible at it.

Sometimes, I only notice it after rambling.

But basically, it happens.

[thorny egret]

hey Vet chat, hope everyone is doing well

[slender elm]

i fucking hate people

[thorny egret]

not mutually exclusive tbh

[mystic pilot]

Weidling combat and tactical axes on DK veteran does make you feel like this

[slender elm]

im shoveling people

[thorny egret]

my second vet is a shotgun/autogun axe/shovel/knife vet and I love the vibes

his weapon list is almost done too, just have to upgrade the autopistol

[thick needle]

Hey, at least you get penances for that

[mystic pilot]

Meant to sent that right after my last message

grumbles about discord and bad Internet reception

This is what i meant by feel like this

[thorny egret]

oh that's a fun vibe

[mystic pilot]

Who here think thats what the PDF from Fenris looks like?

Planetary Defense Force

[slender elm]

wdym penances

[slender elm]

the design on that gun leaves something to be desired

on the other hand, im filled with rage

im going to sleep, zog this

[still dove]

do you use this for havoc

[azure narwhal]

if high havoc drop trench, get nade tinkerer, grab a mk6 power sword and ur good

[still dove]

kk

[still dove]

im using this with power sword

i took off rending strikes though for grenadier

[azure narwhal]

that's good

[unreal nova]

Rescues and pickups.

I think.

[still dove]

i think this is the best mark?

[slender elm]

I'm not sure how that relates to smashing people's faces with a spade

Also recon las without rending?

[azure narwhal]

all 3 have their use cases, it's preference, but Mk XII is quite good yes. i suggest you run Flak + crit chance or flak + maniac though

[hollow ibex]

VIc is prob the best overall

[still dove]

i should put rending strikes back over grenadier?

[still dove]

ah ok thank you

[still dove]

never used vlc, i'll use it next game

[azure narwhal]

VIc has p good balance

[unreal nova]

Oh. I think it was read like teammates are like corpses.

[slender elm]

Pff, they dont even deserve a burial

[hollow ibex]

VIc is great, XII really only beats it if you plan on using it for burn purely (proc 12 burn stacks, and then switch to melee)

[slender elm]

Waste of space

[hollow ibex]

which let's be real

nobody plays XII that way lol

[still dove]

yea lol when i use xII its my main weapon

[unreal nova]

Shoot till empty, then spam I NEED AMMO.

[still dove]

if i use Vlc should i keep dumdum and infernus?

[unreal nova]

Heh.

[thorny egret]

I love VIc, never going back

[mystic pilot]

this showed up in my feed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCdiGeHRjJs

Most Havoc 40 runs don’t fail because of low damage. They fail because teams lose control. This Havoc 40 Grenade Veteran build is designed to stabilise H40 runs, prevent wipes, and win chaotic fights through pressure control, not DPS.

"kaboom?"

[sudden cedar]

Kaboom.

[severe lynx]

Infernus, if your doing anything with crit. It helps so much.

[unreal nova]

KABOOM!

[mystic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-rico-yes-rico-kaboom-gif-24767016

[calm shard]

yeah and hte teams lose control because hey wow

the team doesn't have the damage to kill priority targets fast enough

all of the absolute strongest ways to stabilize a team are abilities that do immense burst damage especially to armored enemies

scum rocket launcher

veteran krak grenades

ogryn PBB

[mystic pilot]

Love me krak grenades

the moment I see elite enemy out, besides bosses, its kaboom time

[dry cloak]

bosses also like kraks

[mystic pilot]

found the source and their second infantry is way more DoK lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/921628579517829132/1456723384124576020/image.png?ex=695966df&is=6958155f&hm=ee1f9ee72a7b6dcc58e3b41486679b1b29fca3955ef6487daa2a69ba953ec2da&

and that's a swedish semiautomatic shotgun

[dry cloak]

sjorg

from front it looked like ks23

[mystic pilot]

Sjögren

Sjögren semiautomatic shotgun

[dry cloak]

i know my weapons mate

sjorg is what my friend group called it in bf1

[mystic pilot]

I figured, but others should look that up, very interesting looking gun

[dry cloak]

played tarkov

[mystic pilot]

its exactly as shown in the first picture I shared

[dry cloak]

got of a nice ak and mdr

so im kindof set for now

however i lost 2 mp5

[narrow frost]

I can still reach 1 taps in H40 with it

it's fine for H40

Love it for dreg missions

[quick shell]

yeah i did also then say vet can still make it effective

[narrow frost]

for gunners and specials

[narrow frost]

I see

even then psyker probably could too

they have more finesse then vet

[quick shell]

what cant psyker do

[narrow frost]

less ammo eco more damage

yes

[calm shard]

No. Braced Autogun

[quick shell]

Oh right

that thing

[calm shard]

Ilas still has high maniac damage that makes it a competent special killer

[quick shell]

forgot it existed

[faint beacon]

You’re running MMF right

[narrow frost]

FT

[faint beacon]

FT?

With the X% on Kill for like 5 seconds after?

Or just blank FT

Cause I know the ILAS does great on Dreg but needs Rending to actually help with Scab and their Flak Armor

[uncut pewter]

Is there any ideal weapon for doing Serial Killer achievement (twenty consecutive enemies killed with headshot)

[unreal nova]

Play psyker, only brain burst.

[narrow frost]

damage and toughness/stamina node

[uncut pewter]

Oh that's funny

Okay

[unreal nova]

Yeah, is that simple.

[faint beacon]

Yeah I can see it working with XII

[grave hawk]

so this slayer build in the Guide, says to run Combat knife or Shovel right

is falcion really worse than those 2?

[uncut pewter]

Hasn't worked for some reason

[unreal nova]

Only BB, do not melee.

[uncut pewter]

I actually got it like less than 20 seconds ago

[unreal nova]

Need to bb 20 poxxers.

[uncut pewter]

I think there was weird interuption or interaction

[unreal nova]

Or maybe one or two died by something else.

[mystic pilot]

does it explain why you should run Combat Knife or Shovel?

[grave hawk]

no

wait

yes it does

[mystic pilot]

you can chose to ignore that advice, its a guide after all. But you should only do so after you understand it first

my take is both weapons give you good mobility and utility against horde

[sonic kayak]

I saw your vid on it, very nice

That's the Mk 7 innit?

Wait no I think it was the mk 9

I remember it was slow firing

[narrow frost]

heavy onbe

idr

[sonic kayak]

Nah I think it was

I think you're right

I tried it once upon a time in Havoc 1.0 with Opening Salvo and Falter(Or Ghost) I think, something along those lines

I have a WIP build that I haven't tried yet but I like your blessing combo

[grave hawk]

ya know what

i dont think i like this one XD

[mystic pilot]

that's fine

there are always different weapons and different builds to try

[safe flax]

i swear the only reason why i play vet anymore is the drip

goes wayyyyy to hard

[heavy rover]

Let me give you your second reason to play vet: helbore

[safe flax]

i wayyyy past helbore

my only love in life and veteran is the revolver

as a side note, i cant be the only person who finds vet keystones to be boring and way too active. id even say weak, i literally dont bother getting one.

[tall torrent]

FT and WS both pretty easy to grab and are strong

[safe flax]

yeah but there a some crazy talents you just cant afford if you get a keystone

[thorny egret]

Vet needs talent compression

[safe flax]

vet needs less forced talents

i feel like its the multitool class but you are forced into so many talents

like there is a solid 3 that you cannot avoid

and another 3 that are too good to avoid

[mystic pilot]

WITCHFINDER HAT VIBES!

[safe flax]

tbh ogryn is more versatile than vet

[sonic kayak]

Vet is not a matter of versaility, but hybrid-ity

You can do equal parts shoot and stab and you do both well

Exe leans into ranged, and VoC leans into C(Q)C, and that's about it

[thorny egret]

I like Vet's consistency but I feel like so many of the passive talents that are just "+10% ranged damage" or "+1" stamina should just be things we unlock passively as we level. Save the points for actual build progression

this goes for any class, mind

[safe flax]

i feel like most of vets talents could be combined and it wouldnt break anything

[thorny egret]

yup, agreed

[tall torrent]

nah u can grab most of the good talents easily with this tree

[safe flax]

which i cant say the same for any other class

[uncut pewter]

I got absolutely FUCKED

The ogryn watched in horror as I got atomized in few moments

[safe flax]

thats tragic

[thorny egret]

oh that's horrid

[uncut pewter]

Truly, but I was cry laughing (it doesn't record my mic for some reason) hysterically from just how violent and abrupt it was

[thorny egret]

director wanted you GONE

[uncut pewter]

Yeah and seeing Dave the Ogryn watching me in horror for a few moment before resuming was perfect too

[thorny egret]

yeah Dave tried his best but there was no way\

[uncut pewter]

Dave just saw a little un get deleted from existence

Poor lad

[thorny egret]

He's gonna be telling his therapist about this later

[frigid rover]

what if i run infiltrate unironically

to dump aggro as often as possible, as a jonk

[mossy oasis]

alright guys, who agrees they should have used the other gas mask model for the commissar cap?

the one that like, literally everyone agrees looks better and closer to krieg?

[unborn crest]

dear Krieg fans:

[crude kelp]

What’s the best set of vet weapons for rotten armor?

[gilded pike]

oh don't worry

they'll probably do that in a year or two

[mossy oasis]

what is this?

Is this modded?

[mossy oasis]

bruh thats on purpose isnt it

spend money on this spend money on that kinda thing?

[gilded pike]

Yeah

I think their model, intentionally or otherwise is

sell flawed main sets

then sell slight variations on the hats forever

No I'm not bitter the elysian respirator in green had a cadian graffiti on it instead of an eagle why do you ask

But like, that's why I think we're gonna get the Acolyte witchhunter hat for vet without the cloth sometime lol

but they clearly don't respect player time

hence making players check the updates every 2 weeks and wait literal years for sets to come back

[unborn crest]

yeah, wcm

[tame lodge]

The one where you don't play rotten Armor
(It's frags + uncanny Strike because dots don't have their damage reduced)

Flechette Manstopper Double Barrel

[umbral scaffold]

Fatshark trying to timegate people giving them money is the funniest thing ever

[frigid rover]

oh wow, exec stance revolver feels pretty good
id say its a bit ammo hungry but thats probably just me missing a lot and wasting ammo on things i should stab instead

[hollow ibex]

ES revolver is indeed quite ammo hungry

mostly because revolver has a small ammo pool

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1q2c1qg/recon_lasgun_users_rejoice_onslaught_is_here_to/

lmfao

truly a reddit moment

[vocal stump]

Just unlocked plasma gun (noob here). Dont suppose there's a build to make you able to use it more often? (ammo issues mostly)

[fair bay]

am i just bad or is left side vet abbilties not great

compared to like other modifers other classes get

[frigid rover]

how so

[fair bay]

low abbility time and seemingly negliagble affects on damage and all that

[frigid rover]

for exec stance?!

[fair bay]

yeah

also left side coherency

maybe my build is eh

[frigid rover]

i suspect maybe it is a matter of how one plays to its strengths
its a wallhack that gives you like, the best toughness regen effect in the game for as long as you can kill something funny-looking every 8 seconds

[distant plaza]

what are you shooting with it to run into ammo problems?

[hollow ibex]

exec stance is very strong

some parts of the left tree are kinda eh tho

[vocal stump]

Tbh im doing fine using it to kill specialists/heavies, and the occasional lined up horde. would just be nice to be able to fire it a bit more often for funsies 😛

[distant plaza]

you could probably pick up fully loaded for more ammo
and become an ammo goblin

[vocal stump]

trying to avoid going full ammo goblin tbh. infuriates me when people do that lmao

and yeah i grabbed fully loaded as i was already 1 off for precision strikes

trying to find a class/weapon setup i like as much as dual stub pistols on hive scum lol. (technically i played at launch for like 2 weeks but for all intents and purposes im a brand new player lol)

quite liked psyker with assail but frankly, im a bit shit for psyker play 😛 need something more forgiving, so trying veteran

[distant plaza]

poor ammo economy is a downside of the plasma gun
presumably you're justifying your ammo consumption by blowing away potential threats before they become real troublesome

[hollow ibex]

psyker plays quite differently from vet but it's more forgiving than vet tbh

[vocal stump]

yeah, like i said if i use it properly by removing threats (its so nice to take a sniper out through a horde) im making do without being an ammo goblin. was just hoping there was a way to use it a bit more often for the fun/satisfaction factor 😛

is it? friend said opposite (but he's fairly new too)

lol

[distant plaza]

you can
just hoover up the ammo before your untrustworthy teammates get to it

[vocal stump]

haha fair

[distant plaza]

especially the hive scum

[vocal stump]

weirdly i keep getting zealots hoovering it for ineffective flamer spam today

[hollow ibex]

psyker's the strongest class in the game after all

and despite the fact that it's supposed to be a "glass cannon"

it's overall tankier than vet

[frigid rover]

as veteran i am constantly giving free ammo to the entire team
therefore i deserve all the delicious tins my discerning eye falls upon

[vocal stump]

that is a good point

😛

and fair, been playing it with some form of pistol, assail, and undecided on a melee weap atm for psyk.

[hollow ibex]

yeah until you hit 30

assail's going to be carrying you lol

[vocal stump]

yeah. what i read 🙁 sad as i hated brain pop at launch and still dont like it much lmao

[distant plaza]

melee crit psyker is a ton of fun
idk how well it plays out trying to level with it

[vocal stump]

mostly looking for something a bit more chill than hive scum with a satisfying weapon/technique 😛 so far plasma gun is winning for vet. hellbore kinda got a bit eh

[distant plaza]

when you hit 30
give the DB WS build a try

[vocal stump]

db/ws? (failing at acronyms so far)

[distant plaza]

double barrel shotgun
weapon specialist

[vocal stump]

ahh kk

and will do, 26 so far lol

[slender elm]

doing that and its like, man i have no range

[hollow ibex]

DB has good range with WS

[vocal stump]

got hive scum 30 (malice 4)
arbites 26
psyker 29
veteran 26 lol

[hollow ibex]

due to guaranteed crits

[slender elm]

yeah but its hard to kill specials

[hollow ibex]

but against tankier elites you still have to get closer

it's specialists that die the easiest

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1428625217718194277/6A17271.MP4?ex=69595aaa&is=6958092a&hm=5faafc6a9c9183d5b260fbb6d2c9f9d39b9ac276193fac147e7c85453f2ab6fa&

the crits make all the difference

[vocal stump]

huh lol effective

[fair bay]

the regen doesnt do much for me i usually dont get hit while shooting

[fair bay]

is there modifiers im missing?

because like the wall hacks are like midling use to me

because most of the time i see things behind walls that are like cool i cant shoot them anyway

[hollow ibex]

well at high difficulties, specialists ambushing you is prob THE most dangerous thing to your team

so knowing what's coming

and being able to deal with it

is really good

also, ES isn't exactly just a ranged ability

it makes you immune to stun and slows

and gives insane toughness regen

so it's quite powerful in melee too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1431517493914107966/5516D41.MP4?ex=6959544e&is=695802ce&hm=78541ef61b210df66e152009394c05490b29bf123d0cc56864ac28b514ff0052&

[fair bay]

fair enough i guess

[hollow ibex]

like here i am getting ganked by 20 ragers

fighting in pox gas

and because of ES and MMF my toughness goes back to 100% nearly instantly

[fair bay]

maybe i just need a better build all around

[thorny egret]

Sirosky, what shotgun mark are you using in this clip?

[hollow ibex]

agri my beloved

[fair bay]

ive been using recon mostly

[thorny egret]

that's what I figured but I wanted to be sure, thanks!

[hollow ibex]

join the cult of the combat shotgun

[hollow ibex]

recon's fine

low skill floor, low skill ceiling

[thorny egret]

I have a godroll one I just need more practice with it

what blessings do you have on yours?

[hollow ibex]

depends on the build

default is full bore no respite

but if you run deadshot you can get spicy and drop full bore for manstopper

for that infinite cleave

[thorny egret]

oooh

that does sound fun

but maybe for another time

thanks again!

[hollow ibex]

yeh stick with the defaults if you're just getting started with CS

the spicy meme builsd can wait

[ocean ridge]

can someone show me / link me a good combat knife / recon lasgun build