veteran-class

[grand perch]

That would still happen with losing 1 stack

Instead of three

[tall torrent]

Purposefully kneecapping automatic weapons’ potential dps given they’re much easier to use and usually have higher dps baseline than semi auto weapons

This system auto punishes ranged cleave more

Because u can lose multiple of 3 stacks if u hit multiple enemies in body

[grand perch]

But a single hit to the body with a slow firing weapon will take three perfect hits to get it back up. It punishes them a lot to

[tall torrent]

I’ll prob tweak the numbers more

Maybe -3 penalty, +2 gain

[orchid hemlock]

Born leader is extremely good with VOC and even decent with infiltrate

[grand perch]

I'd be a fan of +-1

Especially if you have enough cleave to hit multiples, what if you hit head and body behind? Gain one lose several

[orchid hemlock]

Onslaught is a bait node

And in Havoc there is not enough points to grab it

[tall torrent]

Yea, but that’s only like, plasma gun and man stopper

Which I don’t feel like they belong to “marksman” type weapons

I’ll prob tweak the numbers

3:1 does seem a bit harsh but I don’t think I’m changing the 3 stack loss

[grand perch]

Maybe. Ultimately wouldnt shoot down this rework, need to test this, I just feel the other keystones are way simpler to get value out of

[tall torrent]

The way MF in this draft works is that it’s high investment, high risk and high reward

[grand perch]

You're not wrong.

[tall torrent]

You’d need 3 point into subnodes to really maximize its power

But it would also be crazy strong

[fervent quest]

Why is it bait, and I don't play havoc anymore now that I got what I want from it. Using Havoc as your basis really puts a lot of parameters on what is viable

[unreal nova]

Shooting crushers is a bad idea.

[sleek garden]

smokes are very good for weapons without ghost

[orchid hemlock]

Even in normal it's still a bait node

[hollow ibex]

it's bait even outside of havoc

[unreal nova]

Massive ammo waste.

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent I was going to question RS positioning till I noticed the Chink in their armor rework

[tall torrent]

You can usually get a strong anti-carapace melee which sorta defeats the point of onslaught

[unreal nova]

You can do it in malice and below, but don't constantly yell for ammo.

[orchid hemlock]

The targets that recon is used against already die by the time you stack the brittle

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s purposefully done that way

[hollow ibex]

well staffker mains will prob still find onslaught useful

[orchid hemlock]

Like yes, it's a strong node for the recon because of how quickly it stacks it, but it isn't 3 points cost strong

[sleek garden]

please dont recommend nerfs for marksmans focus

people hate on it already

[orchid hemlock]

The only use cases where it is justified is against crushers and Bosses

[fervent quest]

Idk I think it's good, and as it's brittleness instead of rending it's adding damage to the rest of my team beating on the big guys/bosses

[tall torrent]

This is a huge misconception

[orchid hemlock]

Brittle isn't really a team tool unless you are shooting at a boss

[tall torrent]

Brittleness is not “better than rending”

[faint beacon]

I mean look id unironically run Camo and Chink in their armor MF

[tall torrent]

The team benefit aspect is very dependent on what your team actually has

[faint beacon]

If it gets reworked this way

[unreal nova]

3 dueling swords, lmao.

[fervent quest]

You put something "in quotes" that I "didn't say"

[tall torrent]

In that case it’s pointless

[fervent quest]

I didn't say it was better, I said it has a team play aspect

[tall torrent]

You said brittleness is good for helping team

I’m telling that the “helping team aspect” is very misleading

Because 40% brittleness could in fact be less than <50 actual damage increase

Depending on what your teammates have

[orchid hemlock]

I don't really see in what case the brittle can be used for the team other than a boss

[unreal nova]

It's more of a joke since it's really 90% of pub loadouts I see.

[arctic rampart]

The node itself is strong. But the problem is it takes 3 points to get there and you could instead get (e.g.) : 10% rending all the time, grenade % on elite kill from team, 10% attack speed, tagging keystone or weapon specialist keystone, etc. the opportunity cost for onslaught is just too expensive. you should try like 10-20 runs with half taking onslaught and half taking alternatives. the 10% rending for (e.g.) recon or IAG does the job for only 1 point. Except on crushers which you should melee instead.

[orchid hemlock]

U can thank Tanner for that 💀

[fervent quest]

🤯 A situational debuff being situational isn't exactly epiphany material

[terse idol]

Well okay okay like

[stuck tree]

in the same sentence?

[terse idol]

Recon with onslaught is a meme

But okay if your goal is also to kill crushers

[tall torrent]

Do you understand how the ADM system works

[terse idol]

And going no keystone

[orchid hemlock]

I do think it is strong in Melee Maelstroms

Because the brittle can spread across multiple enemies

[tall torrent]

I’m not trying to insult or belittle you

I’m telling you that this system really punishes excess rending/brittleness

[fervent quest]

Oh definitely, really the only case I'd take it is for a recon las build. Otherwise rending strikes is better I agree and is clustered around more useful stuff

[arctic rampart]

I was trying to make onslaught work with tac axe 7 light spam and mk12 recon. Its kind of fun

[terse idol]

I just hit up a keystoneless recon build with a rashad

[hollow ibex]

why 7 for light spam

[sleek garden]

i use recon lasgun wrong i just aim at head level for hordes

[orchid hemlock]

Like let's say u see a horde of maulers or crushers or armored ragers, being able to thin out the wave before they reach the melee line can be useful and buy time for the rest of your team to CC them

It's also useful in boss heavy maels, because brittle is very useful into bosses since it's just free damage for the team

[arctic rampart]

Did I get the mark wrong? I dont really use tack axe much I was using the one with 3 light chain

[orchid hemlock]

But the reason why I can't justify it in Havoc 40 is because the main problem are the gunners, and brittle doesn't really help killing them, even with puss harden since it does nothing to it

[hollow ibex]

7 is for playing the taxe properly, 4 is for light spam memes

(i only use 4)

[sleek garden]

wait you people use heavies on the tac axe

what

[arctic rampart]

must have been 4 then and I just named the mark wrong. I'm an uncivilized barbarian so proper is not my thing

[orchid hemlock]

It would be cool if Brittle removed the puss harden modifyer 😔

[faint beacon]

You know it just fucking clicked to me how insane

Kill zone would be

For Vigil Autos

[sleek garden]

vigilant auto with killzone and longshot is nice

the three round still cant take down a dreg flamer without other buffs

[faint beacon]

The rework path is suggesting for it

Seeing you should usually run a Crit blessing with the guns

So you’d usually have uptime on the Reworked Killzone A LOT

[orchid hemlock]

We can dream for rework 😔

[faint beacon]

That and it would help a lot with its downsides

[orchid hemlock]

I have a feeling that after Ogryn it will be Zealot, because Zealot really needs it

[faint beacon]

Well yeah

Veteran only needs like tweaks and shuffling of the tree to help with Tax

[stuck tree]

using the invis vet makes me think im using sandevy in cyberpunk

[hollow ibex]

invis is quite fun

[arctic rampart]

Veteran needs more weapons

Talents should be able to be more freely taken the way it is now is limiting

Zealots seem like they are doing fine. I'd like to see thunder hammer and flamer buffed though

[hollow ibex]

zealot tree is even worse off

i'm surprised that fatshart chose to prioritize psyker

for tree reworks

vet could use some tuning and adjustments, but it's mostly bearable

[arctic rampart]

Its probably based on a simple calculation like total players

Still seems like vet & zealot far outnumber psyker & ogryn

[hollow ibex]

yeah weird that they'd rework less popular classes first imo but whatevs

looking forward to the vet rework in DT2

[unreal nova]

To be fair, nobody plays oggy cos clunky tree, clunky playstyle.

[hollow ibex]

yeah ogryn was prob in need of a rework the most imo

ogryn > zealot > psyker > vet

[unreal nova]

Heavy spam is just bleah.

[arctic rampart]

its both weird and makes sense. they want even population of classes being played. most people have multiple classes tho

[tropic notch]

Tbh psyker was fine the vet and zealot needed help the most because of tax

[arctic rampart]

ogryn and psyker have the best voicelines anyway so I'm glad to see more of them

[hollow ibex]

which is why i'm surprised psyker got reworked first

[tropic notch]

Psyker was chilling it had 4 points left over from most builds

[hollow ibex]

vet tax is annoying but most people run voc anyway

which is ok in terms of tax

it's mainly infil/ES that get kinda screwed

[tropic notch]

I loved grabbing kinetic deflection

But now i can’t

But it’s whatever

[faint beacon]

Hence rereading paths suggested rework like

The 4th time now I’m all for it seeing it’s actively encouraging people to actually use other fucking abilities

That and smokes being on demand stamina for the team is kinda fucking insane

[tropic notch]

Smokes are so underrated

[hollow ibex]

we need to make path a tester

[tropic notch]

Ever since mk knife it’s all I use

[faint beacon]

It would be a unique gimmick solely to smokes cause the only way to get stamina outside of natural regen is through talents iirc

I don’t recall FOTF or Bull Rush giving stamina

[grand perch]

i think i need to make a boss deletion compilation video

cowboy revolver ❤️

[dry cloak]

cowboy volver on zealot is good

[tame lodge]

https://youtu.be/KZZ81fp9nnE?si=orrdOuhkyNfPENUX

[viscid sparrow]

btw, which one of the following nodes could I swap to +10% rending on a stealth VIAG build?

• Demo Team
• Demo Stockpile
• CQKZ
• Marksman
• Bring It Down

[hollow ibex]

marksman imo

though i don't think either of the red nodes are super great on infil vet

cooldown's a bitch

[grand perch]

i think id go with cqkz

[viscid sparrow]

why, exactly? I mean, cqkz has (at least in my eyes) decent synergy with stealth, as it lets me run up to something's melee range in stealth mode, and get the damage boost for meleeing my targets to death...

[hollow ibex]

yeah i'd personally keep cqkz

i also just don't go bottom left with infil

too expensive

giving up some good stuff, i know... but that tax

😓

[viscid sparrow]

I would be ok with just taking marksman off and swapping that to Bring It Down, so I can have both that and Rending Strikes, because I kinda want the extra max ammo (am too used to it, plus it lets me shoot with less time spent looking for ammo packs before my greedy teammates grab em...)

[grand perch]

i seem to remember its bugged with stealth and the timer starts immediately as opposed to the claimed start at leaving stealth?

not sure if thats still the case

[viscid sparrow]

the icons seem to list the durations as starting once the stealth is over, but idk how accurate that exactly is...

[grand perch]

do you run smokes? if so, one of the grenade regen talents could go. dont need smoke that often

with kraks you could be fine with just 1 of the two

[grand perch]

could have been marksman as well, try in psykhanium

[viscid sparrow]

I use shredders on all builds...

[hollow ibex]

hmm i haven't heard of that

[viscid sparrow]

both are shown as starting after leaving stealth, as there are two identical red icons with the same exact duration, which both appear to count down after leaving stealth...

[grand perch]

guess it was fixed

still cqkz is 10 seconds uptime every 30 or so seconds, while rending strikes is just passive

and you typically have no aggro and can melee freely after stealth anyway

[ocean moat]

which combat shotgun do yall prefer?

[hollow ibex]

slug

but DB better

[grand perch]

theyre all boring except DB

until path comes along and maths a boss delete button out of the zarona shotgun

i want an event of constant ogryn bosses spawning, just to keep doing this

[sharp epoch]

Heavy stubber ogryn can do that better if you like that playstyle

except with like 20 bullets

[faint beacon]

60 second CD vs roughly 20

[desert viper]

what blessings do folks use on combat shotgun

I tend to use the slug mark

[sharp epoch]

It comes out to less than 60 too with the elite kills and lucky bullet triggers

[hollow ibex]

no respite/fullbore

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jVKVtHIuVFOREDfdP?invite=cr-MSxwZGYsMTA3NDAxNTcz

[lusty ether]

which gun is that?

[ocean moat]

looks like columnus iag

[lusty ether]

just with a modded scope or something?

[ocean moat]

wait

scrap that

one of the autoguns (infantry, vigilant)

[ocean moat]

looks like theyre using the weapon customization mod

[hollow ibex]

prob agri hh

knowing gale lol

[grand perch]

its agri IX vigi

with a borderlands ass looking skin

killing his teammate

4shame sharkbro

[desert viper]

thank you

[keen sedge]

hey veteran mains pls help im struggling with make every shot count and on overwatch

from a psyker main

please

help

por favor

[tall torrent]

What’s your FS friend code

I can help u with on overwatch

[keen sedge]

5375443404

[tall torrent]

Alr I’m getting on

[keen sedge]

ur a life saver

[tall torrent]

sent u an invite

[faint beacon]

They’re a zealot you wouldn’t understand 🚬

[faint beacon]

Agrippina IX Vigilant Autogun

[tame lodge]

You messed up the order

💀

VoC first then actively detonating bursters on your teammate

[faint beacon]

Look man he RAN AT THE DOOR WHEN THERE WAS ACTIVE TICKING

that was 100% on them looking back at it but I did in the clip double back on like

The fuck just happened

[still crater]

u fucking killed that guy

[faint beacon]

🚬

[still crater]

[inner iris]

are there better crowd control weapons than the shovel

I kind of only ever used the shovel

got it all the way to mastery 20 without ever using a different weapon

[lusty ether]

maybe...experiment?

[inner iris]

and i just keep using it because i dont wanna start at mastery 0 with another weapon

also i just love the shovel

[lusty ether]

the closest thing to the shovel, imo, is probably the combat axe

it's less crowd controlling, though

[hollow ibex]

combat axe or psword

you crowd control by killing everything

[tame lodge]

Horde only wise
Chainsword

Vroom vroom karkers

[lusty ether]

duelling sword for spammy horde management

slashslashslashslashslashslashslash

[inner iris]

i dont have the braincells to use the chain sword special attack unfortunately

[lusty ether]

the special is for bigger things

not hordes

the special is like 'I have a window where I wanna be near something, and I wanna just murder it down'

like a scab mauler or something

[hollow ibex]

except the special kinda sucks lol

[lusty ether]

kills one carapace thing decently well, if you don't wanna shoot it

[hollow ibex]

carapace is one of the things it really struggles against

[tall torrent]

power sword
combat axe
heavy sword

[desert viper]

Bayonet attack helbore

(/j)

[tame lodge]

It used to be monstrous horde clear

[warm harbor]

What canon weapon are we missing for the Veteran?

I’m yet to see an Hellgun of the Stormtroopers

[arctic rampart]

meltagun

I dont really know 40k lore I Just want that

[tall torrent]

hotshot lasgun
hotshot volleygun
longlas
rotary grenade launcher
navy breacher axe
power axe
some other more obscure stuff

[warm harbor]

We do love the obscure stuff

[warm harbor]

The Longlas is a sniper right?
I don’t think we’ll get to use them

[pseudo fiber]

Navy breacher axe and we can cut through walls

[lusty ether]

plasma pistol is also missing

though they're kinda elite tier weapons, really

plasma guns in general are like 'we don't really know how to make this shit anymore' tier for most of the Imperium

[inland orchid]

traitor captains got plasma pistol so who knows we might get them later on

thats my hopium talkin tho

[tall torrent]

they just use the normal plasma gun 1-handed

[inland orchid]

oh, so he legit just makes it look small compared to how we use it

funnn

all these heretics with their infinite ammo

[tame lodge]

Captains for a reason

[lusty ether]

There's also meltaguns

[uncut pebble]

Born leader ia a meme talent and unfortunately recon is a very expensive gun to build for and I do not ever give up determination. I'd much rather give up focus target for demo team and another talent.

[inner iris]

arent hotshot lasguns just better lasguns though

seems hard to make them "lore accurate" and balanced

unless they have less ammo or something

[tall torrent]

Yes & no

They use more battery energy per shot and require large backpack batteries

Which I’m not sure would work well with the in-game backpack system

[austere pine]

used a flamer and a dueling sword in havoc 21 just now and it felt super terrible

really feels like i'm not doing much whenever i use it. it's really effective, i know that, but it feels like i get overwhelmed whenever any more than 2 enemies are attacking me

with the melee, that is. the flamer feels great but, as with havoc, is ammo hungry as balls

[orchid hemlock]

This is vet chat so u should probably ask in Zealot

[orchid hemlock]

Being ammo efficient is pretty important on flamer

You just need to know that you shouldn't use it unless it's a huge mixed wave

[austere pine]

this is my home chat because zealot chat 1. isn't nice to people who don't have an established name 2. is deranged

[lusty ether]

duelling sword is basically all backpedal all the time

in my experience

and then suddenly everything has been slapped and/or poked to death

[orchid hemlock]

Zealotchat is shit posting sure

But it's been cleaned up, and tbh they do actually provide decent advice

But DS is a pretty safe weapon, you shouldn't be struggling with wave clearing as a Zealot

On any other class, sure it's not a great wave clearing weapon.

In fact it's one of the worst in the game. But on Zealot it should have no problems clearing out trash waves

[lusty ether]

it's good at clearing out actual chaff

in quite large numbers

it's just when there's 'anything slightly less chaffy' that it falls away on just light spam

[orchid hemlock]

Even in mixed waves the DS can very easily pick off the key targets before continuing to wave clear

[lusty ether]

I'd generally agree

you just have to be kinda precise about it

[orchid hemlock]

It's not like the knife where you need to either do a push attack or set up a heavy

[random marten]

Why does infiltrate have such a long cool down?!

[hollow ibex]

reasons

[uncut pebble]

Because stealth breaks game mechanics.

[random marten]

But 45 seconds is too many seconds

[queen fox]

Because it's really good

[hollow ibex]

(not as good as VOC still)

[faint beacon]

Hence we should nerf it

[signal cypress]

Yes

[hollow ibex]

and buff invis

[lost frigate]

man i would happy to pay dlc, if fatshark introduce more weaponry

[narrow frost]

dont let that guy play VT

gonna kill him with the ult cooldowns

120 seconds is alot

[lost frigate]

how's vt now ? i took a break long ago

[hollow ibex]

let's make that the voc cooldown

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[austere pine]

could also make it be 60

but it's already expected you take this

and if you're using invis, there's a 60% chance each use is made with the intention of killing elites and specialists or doing objectives

which the specialist part decreases your cd by a good bit

[random marten]

Could you count the 90% less threat as more stealth?

[iron marten]

Pseudo stealth that really only works if your teammates are alive

[austere pine]

enemies run past you so long as you don't shoot them and your teaammates are alive, yes

i think what would make havoc better is if the different missions weren't stuck with the same npcs the entire time

[placid swan]

Hrm... long loading in times or is my game borked?

[austere pine]

borked

[placid swan]

It un borked itself.

What item level should I start looking into this Havoc business?

I'm guessing theres a cut off.

[pseudo fiber]

hit e

[placid swan]

Ahhh.

[austere pine]

depends

do you want to do HAVOC havoc or any difficulty called havoc

because you've got havoc 1, which is the equivalent to maybe a little more difficult malice mission

[placid swan]

I'd like to start small and work my way up.

[austere pine]

then you've got the 15-25 which is where i'd say the majority of the playerbase sits, aka damnation to auric mael

and then you've got above that which is where actual havoc starts where you sorta need actual builds if you aren't the His second coming

(the emperor's)

[placid swan]

I'm the kinda guardsman that gets shot in the face coming off the lander ramp.

[austere pine]

you could be saying this but i've had bots which were better teammates than players

so there's still a big discrepancy

[placid swan]

Now to find some teammates >:)

[austere pine]

nobody plays this low btw

well, people do, but you're gonna be running into some 40s trying to get the help out penance

or you get people who don't know that winning one auric maelstrom gets you to level 16 automatically

(because they probably don't even play auric maelstrom in the first place)

[placid swan]

Sounds like I need to work my way up to consistently beating auric maelstroms before trying havocs

I'm still on 4's.

[austere pine]

just gotta win one auric maelstrom

want me to run you through?

[placid swan]

Nah, if I cant sit at that table yet, no good in getting a chair pulled out for me. I appreciate the offer though!

[austere pine]

best way to learn the game is to sit at the table and play

[placid swan]

I'll try 5's today!

[vestal widget]

in a mission with a havoc40 player who has downed/exploded like 6 times <10 minutes into a mission

[narrow frost]

Sorry my bad

still new to this

[faint beacon]

Stop fucking throwing Ainz

my god

[narrow frost]

Are you sure?

[faint beacon]

Guess who's finally getting his powers

[placid swan]

Mfw I join a lobby as the only vertical player

[lusty ether]

not sure what that means

but sure

[placid swan]

Means everybody else is dead

[lusty ether]

ahkays

[vernal harbor]

my hands were destroyed by a dog's teeth and i still cleared a damnation maelstrom with 5 total fingers to use

i never want to hear this cant be done

if i dont need ten fingers to play this game then i dont need meta

ah well you can just imagine it

[stuck tree]

Zz

[signal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/ip-grabber-gif-24184464

[vernal harbor]

for parties interested

[placid swan]

For getting into the swing of haz 5's am I better of choosing my missions instead of quickplay?

[hollow ibex]

haz 5?

[errant carbon]

Super Helldive

[tame lodge]

Just qp

[placid swan]

err damnation

[vernal harbor]

im more offended they assumed you meant hd2

[placid swan]

Rock n stone.

[vernal harbor]

quickplay if you need anything

choose once you dont want anything

[austere pine]

if you want money and there's an auric maelstrom mission that pays more than 60k, go for auric mael instead

[tough tiger]

can u still play havoc rn?

[velvet dawn]

Itll be down tomorrow

I doubt itll be down at 12am tonight

probably like 12pm tomorrow or 6pm whatever reset time is for darktide

[tough tiger]

oki thanks

[frank basin]

it's so rotting cognitionhazard

[grand perch]

that felt rather cinematic

[placid swan]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-dog-hide-gif-14256909

[umbral scaffold]

I want to do some winter soldier build. Shredder + knife anyone has done something similar? I did not use Shredder much something to have in mind using/building that weapon, what about ammo?

[unreal nova]

Mercykiller or no?

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

[unreal nova]

Also, I run that as grenadier, but poor man budget grenadier. The tax to get serrated blade lmao.

[umbral scaffold]

I want to swap weapons also

[unreal nova]

Yes, that's even more tax.

VoC or Infil?

I assume infil based on char. Don't think he'll play "support".

[umbral scaffold]

Infi

[unreal nova]

Yeah, going to be crazy taxed lul.

Like, that's the best with the TAX you have to pay.

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah I see

[unreal nova]

Of course, you can run fire team or close and kill for points... but yeah

Maybe.

I'll go try.

[unreal nova]

Close and kill gets you 2 points to spare.

If running shredders.

[grand perch]

you seem dead set on taking surprise attack, aka one of the worst damage boosts in the entire tree

uptime of 5 seconds every 30 or so seconds. horrible

skirmisher is trash as well

[unreal nova]

Could dump it for an extra point.

Grab CQKZ.

[umbral scaffold]

Just trying out different things and finding balance🤔

[pallid jetty]

turn off hdr pls

or are you playing with lower gamma

[grand perch]

no, i dont think i will

[pallid jetty]

bruh why

it just lowers gamma

and doesnt make the game look better

and clips look awful

[grand perch]

thats like your opinion man

[desert viper]

I don't think it matters how it looks if he likes it that way

[pallid jetty]

well clips look much worse anyway

[desert viper]

it's... fine to look at though

[inner iris]

how did you get 900 ammo on the braced autogun

[tough tiger]

extra ammo talent on veteran?

[umbral scaffold]

My main aim with this one is to have fun doesn't have to be great

And fit my concept

[desert viper]

I think it's fine. not picking Trench fighter drill is a bit off-character tho.

[grand perch]

definitely replace skirmisher with trench fighter

markmans at the bottom left should be switched for agile engagement if youre commited to having serrated for mercy killer

[umbral scaffold]

Ok Ty 🙂

[umbral scaffold]

Yes I'm just looking at different things etc with your help I will get to it

[stuck tree]

no food?

[desert viper]

no worries

[desert viper]

no water

[stuck tree]

awe

[unreal nova]

You can have some Bak Kwa.

[umbral scaffold]

I think better just looking at those pictures compering different ways etc

But truly even with top build I aim to have fun play even on hard dif I just sad to me to see ppl using one skill or something on videos it gets them through the run but sucks looking at it

But it's just my way

[unreal nova]

Some get carried though.

[umbral scaffold]

Or maybe havoc higher LVL are game killers...and you have to give up fun?

[stuck tree]

clarify

ahhh

i see

[umbral scaffold]

For example when I see psyker using only Smithe a char that have so much diversity and possibilities with weapon switching etc

That's what I mean

[desert viper]

true

[umbral scaffold]

I felt that psyker really embraces mind character using different attacks and tactics

[manic panther]

psyker do be the most ADHD character of em all

[stuck tree]

lunatic Psykers

[unreal nova]

Sweet BBQ meat that costs a fortune during new year which I rarely have now since aunt passed. Too ex.

[stuck tree]

ah

[unreal nova]

Like $9-$12 for 2 slices.

Out of new year.

You can basically just double it during new year.

[dry cloak]

its this good meat or fucking wagyu thats more fat than meat

[unreal nova]

It's bbq minced meat or bbq normal meat. The luxury fusion or gourmet one is belly meat.

Is pork usually.

[dry cloak]

meat is meat

[unreal nova]

Beef exists but eh.

[dry cloak]

arent you asians capable of eating everything?

[unreal nova]

Still.

And not if you count religions.

[dry cloak]

last time i checked all plagues in last 120 years came from asia(china)

[desert viper]

uh

[umbral grove]

[stuck tree]

wow

wth

[stuck tree]

not from there

🍗

🐓

[stuck tree]

A5 Wagyu from japan

or kobe

idk

[unreal nova]

Yep.

[stuck tree]

world has fallen

grrr

idk what food to cook..

[placid swan]

As good as rations?!

[unreal nova]

Greed rules, you know. If you are poor, some say better off dead if you are in a first world place.

[unreal nova]

Much better, if you can afford it.

[stuck tree]

https://tenor.com/view/spaghetti-gif-24457079

[placid swan]

Wheres a good ogryn to decide such things

[unreal nova]

You need an asian leaning one.

[uncut pebble]

You have made me hungry for spaghetti.

Not a wise choice.

[stuck tree]

Good

[stuck tree]

https://tenor.com/view/uncle-bao-wet-silly-cat-cute-cat-chinese-cat-gif-2648841320183100240

[umbral scaffold]

Thx for the help with build I'm gonna test it late evening and going to get back to you with results🫡

[warm harbor]

I have to admit I’m a chain weapon enthusiast

I just love to see the maggots and blood fly around whenever I’m slashing something

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah and just generally I have settings to heavy more fire effects even if I lose fps. I had performance membership on GFN and had to switch off some settings for long time couse I was unplayable on higher diff and total forgot about it when switched to ultimate and was thinking something is wrong, something is different how it suppose to be.... (Idiot) And when I figure it out that it where gore settings and now I can switch them all I slapped my face and was singing hallelujah inside 🤣

[warm harbor]

What weapon do you combo the chains with?

I usually go Chainsword and Lucius

But in higher difficulties I use plasma or the One Hnded BoltGun

[umbral scaffold]

Boltgun is my love now and still trying to get a grip with chainsword sometimes I'm good with it there times I suck and switch to knife....

[warm harbor]

Fair

I never really liked knife

[scenic ivy]

I keep trying new builds in vet but nothing beats the recon laser flaming crit spammer build for me in terms of fun value

[warm harbor]

I was always with chain weapons

[warm harbor]

Rn I am hellbent on getting max EXP with every weapon

But I maxed out my favorites so now I gotta use weapons I don’t really feel

[scenic ivy]

thats the thing, i'll switch to plasma or something and just get irritated i'm not destroying everything on the screen by holding down the trigger

[warm harbor]

And I have to study, haven’t really played much lately

[warm harbor]

I am with BoltGun currently

And Tactical Axe

The Boltgun’s good for horde clearing if you keep pressed and destroying heavies and bosses

[scenic ivy]

also I can't get comparable dps with the slower version of the laser either, because more shots equals more crits

[warm harbor]

Yeah the basic Lasgun is kind of a pain

While the light version just shreds hordes

[scenic ivy]

it shreds everything

especially with rending

[warm harbor]

Yeah but on Heavies and Ogryns is kind of wasted

[scenic ivy]

stack about 50 crits on one chaos ogryn, melt his armour, set him on fire 38 times

dead in seconds

[warm harbor]

When I was using it I paired it with a Chainaxe to duel the heavier enemies

[warm harbor]

It takes up almost a whole mag tho

For a single enemy

And the Light Lasgun takes lots of ammo to use

[scenic ivy]

yeah but I retain ammo on crit

and I crit most of the time

[warm harbor]

Yeah that perk’s useful

[scenic ivy]

and I carry extra ammo

and its more like just under half a mag honestly

with one mag I can manage three ogryns in a row

just aim for the head

time to kill very good

[warm harbor]

Fair

The Lucius is my love tho

Bayonet charge is op

[scenic ivy]

Wish I could stick a bayonet on the kantrael

or change the sight or any weapon customisation really

I can with mods but can't stick anyone with the bayonet its just visual

[jaunty tinsel]

what makes dueling sword so good?

[warm harbor]

Dunno haven’t used it so far

Managed with others perfectly

[scarlet crescent]

ez to use
big pp single target dmg
nice mobility

MK 4

[unreal nova]

Poke crushers in hed 5 times with no melee talents or buffs.

Usually done in 3-4. 5 is like worst case.

[uncut pebble]

It enables horrendous habits and allows you to kill your way out of a corner of crushers, which it shouldn't.

The proper thought process is

several crushers
don't get cornered
Duelling sword allows you to get cornered because you can just carve a hole through them and walk out.

[unreal nova]

Unless too much lag.

[uncut pebble]

Vet 2 taps crushers.

Zealout can 1tap.

[unreal nova]

Otherwise you just inf dodge ontop.

Yes, but I mean without talents.

Why is it OP, it can do that without any class talents.

If you throw in talents, heh.

Why I said, no melee buffs or talents

Just uncanny agile.

[uncut pebble]

Oh fuck I forgot it had agile on it.

I haven't seen an agile ds user in ages.

[unreal nova]

Heh.

[stuck tree]

Me

[umbral scaffold]

You look good especially when aiming for commissar build with bolt pistol but I think it's very skill weapon I did try it on my vet and have a good feeling with it after a long time with knife

I found a solution for heaving chain sword fun but you like knife better it's obvious now

Chain knife 🤣

If I remember correctly there was a small ripper in fallout

But not sure

[umbral scaffold]

Both barells is good on db shotgun? I was using it before and it was heaven for reloading and does it work when using BB when you have 1 bullet only ?

I was using WS and had db with reload and crit blessings

[novel stone]

Does lethal proxy still increase frag grenade AoE when you hold the gun out?

[novel stone]

I've heard very mixed opinions but it's definitely not the worst thing you can have on it

I don't believe you really need crit blessings though but I don't use the gun often

[wanton dawn]

Dbs ? Depend if you play ws reload or not

If you play ws you go for cleave/bleed on crit

[dry cloak]

both barrels and manstopper is good combo. but then reload node in ws tree is useless

[umbral scaffold]

Yes I just found that you get great reload time and you don't have to bother with it other way you can spend extra points on something else

[wanton dawn]

Well, that extra point makes you a monster against horde

And it scales on higher diff

I dont think you can really justify not taking it if you go ws.

It is like skipping yellow thoughness on shout

[unreal nova]

Force and power knoife when?

[umbral scaffold]

Wait which point?

[wanton dawn]

Reload on melee kill

[umbral scaffold]

Hmm I think I depends on your rythm I change weapons a lot and kill even when facing horde many with knife and saving bullets usually I have like 1,2 or 3 shots db or not and also similar with melee I don't need that ammo recovery

[sonic coyote]

Does Serrated Blades still not give toughness from Born to Kill?

I remember hearing that bleeding kills from it don't give toughness.

[umbral scaffold]

The one that gives you bullets in mag after melee kills?

I just find that reload blessing is fast enough

That I don't need that

[wanton dawn]

It synergizes with agile to improves your dmg by a lot

Also it is 1 bullet per kill if you swap well

[umbral scaffold]

Hmm

[wanton dawn]

So the question is: what are you taking over it ?

Cuz its 1 point

[dry cloak]

field improv is always good node to take imo

[wanton dawn]

I think its crap

Except against twin

[dry cloak]

thats your opinion

[wanton dawn]

Well, ir was yours

[dry cloak]

i have it on exactly one build

[wanton dawn]

If you could predict box spawn it'd be good. As it stands, it is just useless most of the time, and underwhelming most of the rest of the time.

[dry cloak]

wanna hop on and kill some heretics?

[wanton dawn]

In 30min why not

[dry cloak]

ill be waiting

[wanton dawn]

Dbs, exe stance, or sweat ?

[dry cloak]

what ever im bringing big guns

[wanton dawn]

Guess ill see

[umbral scaffold]

Can you give the math?

I will play this evening late

Then I Will test some builds

[wanton dawn]

Its 25% on kill for other weapon slot, for 5s

[wanton dawn]

Am connecting rn

[dry cloak]

https://discord.gg/nAY55VFu

[umbral scaffold]

Ok omg was thinking about the node after ws that's why I was confused

I was making dinner and couldnt focus on chat so much 🤣

[umbral scaffold]

How did the test go for you to?

[dry cloak]

what test

[umbral scaffold]

I thought you with @wanton dawn are gooing to test whos build works better

[wanton dawn]

nah, just chilling

I played exe stance bolter and ws plasma (with smoke & speed aura)

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2VipV_OPk0
made a change to include marksmans focus in my boss deletion cowboy setup. went to take it out for a spin and immediately had to clutch

this may have been the first time i ever was out of ammo when it kinda mattered

[wanton dawn]

The hell is this build

Looks like a "I am bored" kind of build

[grand perch]

its hyperspecialised to to this kind of thing #veteran-class message

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, i got it

[dry cloak]

Damn

That fast deletion

[grand perch]

yeah that was before i changed to MF and had FT keystone

i wanna see what kinda dumb deletions i can get with MF

[pseudo fiber]

Fuck me

[orchid hemlock]

OK but I'll buy u a drink first

[pseudo fiber]

Nice two for one deal

Anyway bolt pistol is goated in havoc

[wanton dawn]

according to my tracker, i got it twice

Meanwhile, I never got more than 5 games in a row in ass without going down

[frank basin]

Smoke my beloved

[atomic wyvern]

Yo gang

Im torn between making a plasma vet or helbore vet once i hit trust 30

yall got suggestions as to what i should pick?

[dry cloak]

You will do both at some point

[atomic wyvern]

Yeah i know i just wanna

Not bore myself lmao

And im not exactly drowning in ordo dockets

[dry cloak]

Plasma vet is by far the easiest one to play

Imo

[atomic wyvern]

fair fair

[dry cloak]

And when it comes to lasguns. Helbores are the hardest to use

[arctic rampart]

do you really like bayonet in the face or rp krieg? otherwise plasma is a better 1st gun

[dry cloak]

But when someone puts in the time theyre are good

[atomic wyvern]

I used to main the bayo spam but since it's been nerfed i'll just use the inf ammo thingy for the lucius lol

[arctic rampart]

you can use almost any melee with plasma since it does everything well except hordes. (though its pretty good into a deep row of horde)

[atomic wyvern]

Don't wanna butter myself up but

I'd definately say im a good shot

[dry cloak]

And remember everything will feel weaker.compared to plasma

[atomic wyvern]

Yeah i get that lol

I main recon las atm

[dry cloak]

Im happy that i dont use plasma. never have.

So my perspective aint thay skewed

[atomic wyvern]

I dont think my perspective would be skewed lol

I've used it before

[arctic rampart]

mk12 recon is pretty pretty fun on vet u could play more of that to get a feel for class difference

[atomic wyvern]

Honestly i'd say i've used a bit of everything

been playing since beta on and off deleting and remaking characters every few months so

[grand perch]

weird flex but ok

[arctic rampart]

10% rending talent, ammo back on crit talent, survivalist makes a difference compared to other classes for recon

[atomic wyvern]

Not a flex but ok

[dry cloak]

Reconlasgun is better for gunker imo. When it comes to other classes

[atomic wyvern]

Love muh space MG42

But yeah think i'll give the krieger a try

[surreal gust]

I much prefer bolt pistol for gun psyker

[atomic wyvern]

#psyker-class lmao

[dry cloak]

I know how 6c recon las can delete bosses with stacked DD and scriers

[surreal gust]

Yeah, it just doesn’t feel great for me

[dry cloak]

Fair

[frank basin]

I use soul siphon and recon

[atomic wyvern]

Yeah feels nice to use personally

If theres one thing i cant be trusted to do

its to check my ammocount

[unreal nova]

Look, the classes just blend together at times, except Zealot.. That just becomes offtopic.

[atomic wyvern]

Im just dicking about lol dw

[surreal gust]

I usually go for infantry las, either of the revolvers, or bolt pistol

[atomic wyvern]

Infantry las is interesting pick

as is revolvers imo but i've heard bolt pist is nice

[surreal gust]

Ol reliable

[dry cloak]

Cowboy psyker

[atomic wyvern]

Man i remember some guy was like

[surreal gust]

The zarona is insanely good, the fanning revolver is alright

[atomic wyvern]

carrying me on those achievement thingies

he was rockin a bolt pistol and tac axe on veteran

angelic gameplay

[frank basin]

“300 dmg did not clear the room, F tier”

[arctic rampart]

mk1 shovel seems to be fun. uncanny strike + (skullrusher or decimator)? is there a mod that helps u see staggered count or skullcrusher applies or some other trick people use

[surreal gust]

I should build some revolvers on vet

[dry cloak]

Revolver can one shot crushers

[surreal gust]

I am aware of that

[dry cloak]

Or you go with fanning revolver and delete bosses

[wheat stratus]

this EU vet chad just pulled those numbers with a double barrel

unreal

[surreal gust]

The ari revolver is underrated

[frank basin]

The shark once said “skullcrusher because you giving them taking more damage for team wide when they staggered”

[frank basin]

Download “Debuff” mods on nexus also

I still have it

[dry cloak]

I use it on zealot mostly. As boss and carapace counter measure

[surreal gust]

I wish I liked zealot honestly

[narrow frost]

Zealot doesnt like you either

I talked to them

[surreal gust]

I made my zealot morgan from randy buys a bookshelf off gumtree

[atomic wyvern]

I need like

a double barrel build

[surreal gust]

But god zealot got no variety

[atomic wyvern]

i used the gun when it came out and it was like

playing with stress putty

that fun to play with

[wheat stratus]

I was going to steal his build but the guy left during score screen 😭

[atomic wyvern]

hunt him down

lmao

[grand perch]

that probably wasnt me but the guy was a chad for using the same weapons as my dedicated tac axe build

[vernal harbor]

I made a build for the semi autogun and it’s almost a one hit kill every weakspot hit

i post later

[grand perch]

its so satisfying

[tall torrent]

I did not have a tac axe

[grand perch]

why tho

use tac axe path

do it

[tall torrent]

Unyielding & carapace damage

[narrow frost]

Path when he cant 2 shot crushers 😔

with his Rachad

[tall torrent]

My Rashad build doesn’t 2 shot crushers

[grand perch]

the scrub

[tall torrent]

It’s 4 hits vs crusher

3 if 1 crit

[grand perch]

sad

[tall torrent]

I’m considering a switch to power sword when update drops

My biggest gripe with power sword is guard broken = charge lost

It’s so aids to solo boss with it

Power up
Plague ogryn throws an uppercut
Block
Charge lost
Have to power again

[grand perch]

cherrypicked example ofc

[tall torrent]

Yea just be lucky and crit 3/4 times

[grand perch]

exactly

[hollow ibex]

just don't get hit bro

[hollow ibex]

is that mk7?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[grand perch]

though its not abnormal to be around 1800 dps with agile engagement up

[tall torrent]

Next melee I do in guide is prob either tac axe or knife

[wanton dawn]

Tried taxe a few games

[hollow ibex]

mk7's too much work

i just want to light spam

[wanton dawn]

Its good. Need ranged help for ogryn though

[grand perch]

how goes the steam guide btw

[arctic rampart]

does it work for stagger? https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/137?tab=posts suggest its been broken for a while and author aint replying

[frank basin]

i got the file i can share, it's functional

is old not udpate but still work

[tall torrent]

I took some time to make a vet tree restructure draft

[frank basin]

and it give me some cheaty locate special enemy when error text pop above their head @arctic rampart

[tall torrent]

This is after talking with a playtester

Talent changes from previous version remain the same

[grand perch]

mandatory demo stockpile

love it

[tall torrent]

Yea, super early on too

Field improv first pick
And mandatory into confirmed kill

[grand perch]

all weak talents on one level (serrated blade etc)

interesting

[wanton dawn]

Bleh

[tall torrent]

Serrated enables the O4B change to get toughness without kills in melee

Scales best with cleave weapons that don’t instakill hordes

[grand perch]

oh right

devils claw win

[wanton dawn]

I hate talent lock

[tall torrent]

There’re only like 2 talents locked in my draft?

[hollow ibex]

i'd like to see some more unique subnodes for blitzes when vet gets rework

[tall torrent]

Close order drill vs exploit weakness

U can’t access them depending on aura

[sly spear]

whats up fellow veterans

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/aw-shit-gif-25968262

[tall torrent]

The idea is for middle section to force players to define what they actually want

Outside of those 2 talents u can still get what u want

But u will pay point tax

Which competes with bottom half’s good talents

So u may not want to spend too much in that section

[warm harbor]

Sorry guys is it only me or the one hand BoltGun is better at shooting specialists than the Two Hands?

I feel like their single bullet does more damage tbh

[wanton dawn]

I guess the real question is what are you trying to correct

[tall torrent]

A lot of things
Diverting attention away from VoC, for one

Mixing up blitz choices

Making bottom half and keystones more dynamic

Strong picks are made weaker at a baseline, but could get stronger with more investment

Except VoC, that’s a full on nerf

[tall torrent]

In here u can see WS itself being weaker but its subnodes getting a lot stronger

[crude fiber]

Legit take MAYBE the reload mag based on stacks node. None of the others lol

[tall torrent]

See the draft above

[gilded rock]

It's much better swap time but I believe its single bullet damage is close to the same

[wanton dawn]

I guess my concern here is that i could just make the same tree as before, with point to spare.

[warm harbor]

I have my doubts cause I DO pop heads with the one hand but not by the two hand aimed

[wheat stratus]

actually managed to track the guy down, bleed & manstopper on the shotty, with Weapon Specialist

[tall torrent]

Which would be a good thing, more variety & experimentation

[sly spear]

what are

y'all main builds, out of cusiosity as a enw player

[wanton dawn]

I mean, i think my build are already on the strong side

[thorn lark]

Suspiciously looking like this https://youtu.be/-8WyyEqBJvg?si=mGh2hjYOSHh13j64

[hollow ibex]

mostly invis, invis, invis, and then ES

[tall torrent]

I’m not watching that

[wanton dawn]

Bait

[thorn lark]

[wanton dawn]

Too obvious

[sly spear]

not enough invis imo

[hollow ibex]

fair

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/rickroll-roll-rick-never-gonna-give-you-up-never-gonna-gif-22954713

[wanton dawn]

Oh well, i realize i enjoy my own things with vet

[wanton dawn]

Nah. I wont watch him

Not good enough to be abrasive about it

Nobody is btw

[crude fiber]

All seems interesting. The rending from marksman seems pretty high and I think the ranged attacks speed from weapon specialist could be changed to last until next reload so you wouldn't need to mag dump to keep the effect

[tall torrent]

The idea is to make MF’s subnodes much more impactful given enough investment

[crude fiber]

Fair, are you in anyway connected to fatshark? Or are these just some cool ideas

[faint beacon]

He's cooking up shit and got a playtester to help him with some of it

[crude fiber]

Noice

[faint beacon]

kinda just adressing the very small yet handful of issues with Vets tree that can be fixed

[wanton dawn]

I guess i'd like to see talent rework instead of tree reorg for now

[faint beacon]

now my question is are we purposely keeping Tunnel and CITA locked behind other two subnodes or should you be able to access all of them easily

[thorn lark]

i wonder what will be the next rework: vet or zealot?

[tall torrent]

I’m not changing the identity of MF being a high risk high reward keystone

But I’m giving it more layers
More investment = even higher reward

[faint beacon]

Zealot

[wanton dawn]

Zealot

[thorn lark]

yeah I think so

[wanton dawn]

Vet tree needs buff and nerf

[faint beacon]

Also its funny cause like he never watched that shit and he's still trying to balance yet make all the talents synergize well with playstyles

Path's O4B tweak has me rubbing my hands together

[tall torrent]

Prob zealot

[faint beacon]

A nerf on kill % but you also get toughness from hitting bleed

[serene bough]

The VoC talent combo needs to be balanced someway

[faint beacon]

thats kinda silly

[serene bough]

Many avenues on how to do that

[tall torrent]

[faint beacon]

Biggest note

[serene bough]

Oh word

[tall torrent]

This is my design draft

[serene bough]

Oh I see

[faint beacon]

Now this is just my personaly opinion seeing Iron Will is damn near mandatory in every build

[serene bough]

But this isn't going to be part of the next update then?

Sad

[faint beacon]

I would've moved it a tinsy bit further up in the bottom of the middle tree

but thats just me

[thorn lark]

it was a bait, because you know special dev request for shaving ogryn, vet and zealot

[serene bough]

Is this next update or just theorycrafting

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[faint beacon]

no this is all just

[serene bough]

I havent been paying attention to this game for the past few months

[wanton dawn]

Ideas

[faint beacon]

Path's Schizoprehnic ramblings

aka

what could be done if they wanted too

[serene bough]

I see

[thorn lark]

Path has decided to cook design ideas in order to delay the vet guide

[tall torrent]

No, it’s a pretty early design draft I have

[faint beacon]

its true...

[tall torrent]

Made it yesterday

[thorn lark]

next step is to leave darktide and work on nightrein

[faint beacon]

I'll admit I'll have to keep looking it over

and give some suggestions for possible talent position swappings etc

[wanton dawn]

Tomorrow is back to work. Gonna be a long week again

[faint beacon]

the only thing I can really say is Iron Will is a weird one

I want it to be low in the tree but like

its literally a mandatory pick

[wanton dawn]

Iron will is too good to skip

[faint beacon]

Yeah which I was kinda just eyeing that new tree pathing and im noticing its a lot more taxing to grab it with certain builds?

[thorn lark]

you need iron will to skip it

[faint beacon]

I'd say the only thing I can really say I would like to see is probably like what

[wanton dawn]

Middle tree bottom is still full of good point

[faint beacon]

Anywhere here have it swap with one of the talents positions

Hell I'd argue tac aware to make it more taxing to grab CDR

[wanton dawn]

Id put tac awareness on iron will place

[faint beacon]

Actually looking over it one more time and this is genuinely up to path to decide if this would look better cause I already see why the Toughness and Iron Will are next to each other is cause of them synergizing well

you could replace Born Leader and FTE with the 25+ and Iron Will positioning so that left side branch is more Team AOE Buffing

That and its less taxxing to grab Iron Will

@tall torrent Seeing this is your talent tree that's 100% on you to change but honestly seeing how damn near every vet with like 3 braincells knows Iron Wills value thats what I recommend

[wanton dawn]

Oh god, i am forced to get field improv

[faint beacon]

IF

[wanton dawn]

No way in hell

[faint beacon]

you go down middle

[tall torrent]

It’s done on purpose yes

[tall torrent]

Not necessarily because every build will want to grab it, so putting it deeper just taxes them more

[tall torrent]

But so also are left and right bottom branches

[tall torrent]

Top left is made a lot better as an alternative

Volley adept + ET + 15 toughness + TDR

[faint beacon]

Mainly why I suggested if to make it just slightly less taxing on the average Vet always wanting to grab Iron Will and Tac Awareness, You could replace Born Leader and FTE positions with 25+ Toughness and Iron Will

leave Tac Aware in that same spot obviously but move those two down to the left side branch for a "Team Buffing" identity of the branch

[atomic wyvern]

Just need a quick bit of hel

what do i want as a dump stat on the helbore?

[tame lodge]

Stability

The weapon is pretty karking stable

Even under fire

Akin to immune suppression

[inner iris]

is it true that shooting the body on armoured enemies can do more damage than headshots?

[tame lodge]

Maulers specifically

Their heads are carapace

But flak bodies

If you don't have a weapon that can hit carapace hard

Aim for the body

[inner iris]

does the talent that makes executioners stance highlight enemies for allies still cause those highlighted enemies to give you the 5s extra duration when an ally kills them?

[formal ice]

I don't think so

[inner iris]

so its bad then

[hollow ibex]

yeah i'm not a fan. it's kinda counter-synergistic

but hey if you want to be a good teammate, it's an option lol

[wanton dawn]

It is appreciated in smoke and darkness mode

[hollow ibex]

yeah i always appreciate it when people have it, but it usually just ends up hurting the player that spent a point on it

[formal ice]

Can't be that hard to give away the bleed node

Or any node in the middle

[tame lodge]

@inner iris

[wanton dawn]

It hurts other players too when they see me killing everything and stealing their fun

[inner iris]

why did people tell me the combat axe has good crowd control

[tame lodge]

Brutal Momentum

Turns your single target weapon into a crowd killer

4 targets killed per swing

[hollow ibex]

best form of crowd control in DT is always just killing the crowd

[inner iris]

whats that

[tame lodge]

A blessing

Also, the push attack has great stagger and 8 cleave

Well, the Rashad that is

Antax is like 9 cleave or something

[arctic rampart]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/combat-axe/rashad-mk-iii-combat-axe you really really want brutal momentum on this.

[dreamy spade]

I want them to buff iags

Because they are super fun

But never used on havoc

[inner iris]

i cba to grind xp for that

back to the shovel i go lol

[uncut pebble]

They don't need buffed.

The reason why they're never used in havocs right now is because of one particular modifier that's going bye bye and ammo economy.

Fatshark is removing pus hardened and touching on ammo economy with the ogryn update

[dreamy spade]

I just feel that going anything other than lasguns on vet isn't worth it because of the ammo from crits

[uncut pebble]

And that'd be an ammo economy issue.

If ammo becomes significantly less of an issue, then you can run iags no problem.

It all depends on how fatshark touches on ammo pickups.

Anyway, the point here is, the gun itself isn't the issue.

Nothing wrong with iags in their current state.

[dreamy spade]

Well for things like revolver or bolts, you can keep ammo efficiency, but for iags you have to magdump, because the cleave and dmg is low

[uncut pebble]

No you don't lmao.

Clearly you aren't using your gun correctly.

Takes like 5 bullets from an agri iag to kill a gunner in damnation, maybe 7 in h40 bc 1.5x hp.

And both revolver and bolt weapons fall off hard for other reasons.

Revolver and bistol are breakpoint oriented, havoc throws breakpoints out the window.

Boltgun is just too ammo hungry.

[dreamy spade]

Yeah try kill a pus hardened gunner on havoc 40 while suppressed

[uncut pebble]

First, determined exists, second, that just proves it isn't an autogun issue, and it's a pus hardened issue.

:)

Glad we're on the same page now.

[dreamy spade]

That's true

Revolver on damnation is literally a hand cannon, but on havoc it's a peashooter

[uncut pebble]

So it boils down, again, like I said, to pus hardened and ammo economy.

Pus hardened is getting removed, jump with joy.

Ammo pickups are getting touched on, hopefully we won't have to run meta ammo econ shit to function with a gun anymore.

[dreamy spade]

But after the columnus nerf and recon buffs, and the ammo talent, recons are just better... unless I'm missing something

[uncut pebble]

If by columnus you mean vraks, no, vraks still has top dps.

The only advantage to running recon is infernus and shock trooper.

[dreamy spade]

Isnt the dmg fall off for recons much better?

And they dont have recoil

[uncut pebble]

That would be a Path question.

I am not a walking encyclopedia of darktide knowledge.

[fresh scarab]

damn, i was hoping we'd see it in this update

[uncut pebble]

However, I do know what the issue with iags is, and it isn't that they're bad, current havoc meta is just recons because of the two previously mentioned factors.

[dreamy spade]

I just find them satisfying

[trim badger]

And so it begins

finishing a minute before this

[dreamy spade]

[trim badger]

now I'll suffer havoc withdrawal for 2 days

[dreamy spade]

Dukane is gonna wonder why 90% of her taskforce is fucking ogryns

[trim badger]

On the bright side, time to level up this ogryn

[trim badger]

They're not ogryns dumb dumb

just vets that trained during the shutdown of havoc

:)

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-party-gif-27273801

[dreamy spade]

What happened to the mobian 9th

[junior grail]

Moebian 69th?

[dreamy spade]

Some Astra Militarum regiments struggle with an overabundance of Ogryns, leading to logistical and tactical challenges. While Ogryns are excellent shock troops, their low intelligence, simple-mindedness, and massive resource consumption can make them difficult to integrate into conventional regiments.

Challenges of Too Many Ogryns in a Regiment:

1. Logistical Nightmare – Ogryns require more food, larger equipment, and special accommodations, straining supply chains.

2. Tactical Inflexibility – While great at smashing through enemies, they struggle with complex maneuvers, ranged combat, and independent thought, making them hard to use outside of brute-force assaults.

3. Friendly Fire & Confusion – Their low intelligence can lead to mistakes on the battlefield, such as firing on allies, failing to recognize orders, or misinterpreting commands.

4. Command & Control Issues – Officers must use short, simple commands and rely on Bone 'ead Ogryns (slightly smarter Ogryns) to keep squads in line. Too many regular Ogryns without Bone 'eads could result in chaos during battle.

5. Cultural Clashes – Some human troopers may struggle to work alongside Ogryns, who can be loud, overly affectionate, or unaware of personal space.

overly affectionate

[tame lodge]

My emotional support ogryn

[ashen kiln]

Is power sword worth using and what melee would everyone suggest for a melee build?

[tame lodge]

• Yes
• Knife 6, Rashad Combat Axe, power sword 6, dueling sword 4

• heavy sword 9

[ashen kiln]

Thanks for the suggestions

Whats the best blessing combo for power sword?

[hollow ibex]

pc4 (mandatory) + brumentum OR sunder

[ashen kiln]

Thanks

[orchid hemlock]

all Vet builds are 50% melee 50% range

Vet isn't the "range class" that is Psyker

[ashen kiln]

I’ve been told several different ratios for Vet. I’m just going to play the way that doesnt have me on the floor constantly.

[orchid hemlock]

ratio?

[ashen kiln]

see above

You said 50/50

I’ve hear 70/30, 30/70, and variations in between

[orchid hemlock]

who said that?

[ashen kiln]

You expect me to remember names?

[orchid hemlock]

also it's sorta not a hard ratio, but the point is that Vet is a hybrid class, and every build needs to use the melee and range weapons that compliments each other

[ashen kiln]

Point is, I hear conflicting information and I’ve found the talents are mainly what leans the class more towards either melee or ranged and, yes, I know you have to use both. That can be said of all classes though.

[hollow ibex]

you could technically do 100% ranged or 100% melee

but the class's builds generally gravitate towards somewhere around 50/50

[ashen kiln]

I personally lean heavy into melee with an artillary gun for those big boysj

[orchid hemlock]

Vet's strength is being able to take out disablers and specialists quickly before they become a problem with the range weapon, the rest usually is melee

[ashen kiln]

Appreciate the input

Just curious why everyone seems to try to argue anything they don’t agree with every time I log in here? This seems like a NEARLY toxic discord channel. Just what I’ve noticed. Maybe I’m just unlucky or I ask questions that offend people

[orchid hemlock]

nobody is being toxic with you?