veteran-class

[hearty panther]

id scrier ult and get maybe 10 stacks

[raw needle]

it has like 40m range iirc

[tall torrent]

I don't think it's actually worth it

[shadow urchin]

I'd rather save the fun stuff for Auric Damnation Maelstroms. Y'know, the casual mode.

[tall torrent]

can opener is good

[slim copper]

But without bubble how do you put bons in jail?

[tall torrent]

except ur gonna run karsolas/shield anyway

[shadow urchin]

I do like jailing bons.

[raw needle]

meanwhile

[slim copper]

Ahh okay it's just overshadowed by the typical melee pick

[wanton dawn]

"Eww, imagine only using bubble" says the vet

[tall torrent]

it's just not super relevant when ogryn is smth like a 9:1 spread between melee and ranged, imo anyway

[shadow urchin]

Pretty much like having a few extra rocks to throw.

[hearty panther]

oh yea i probably should have dropped mind in motion lmao

[wanton dawn]

Had a nice little 35 min true survivor h40 mercantile with 1 of each class. Put me on a good mood

Pubs too

[raw needle]

manifesting 3 playstation smite psykers on open mic into your next game

[shadow urchin]

Maybe if Havoc wasn't such a pain to match into I'd be more inclined.

[slim copper]

It's also an invitation to use your low supply ripper ammo on a target you could be melee killing instead which is probably not preferable, since a ripper stab and switching back to melee is probably slower than just using melee anyways

[wanton dawn]

You haven't seen my dbs build

[tame lodge]

That's why you stab and shoot

[tall torrent]

Exactly

[tame lodge]

Then it's Blaze Away + Cavalcade/Flechette?

Maybe Fire Frenzy

[hearty panther]

idk i have never had issues matching havoc, but i also am not picky about havoc level

[terse idol]

They don't like it when people have major upkeep on positive ammo

Also the balance beta had more like class balance changes

[calm shard]

which frankly is stupid

[terse idol]

Huntsmen beta changes 😭

[calm shard]

when psyker over there just throws out brain magic

[shadow urchin]

Oh the luxury! I've been stuck in the early 30s for weeks.

[calm shard]

for free

with no consequences

or sienna in VT2

[hearty panther]

oh youre still trying to grind up?

[terse idol]

Well like, i should say major upkeep when you don't make headshots

[shadow urchin]

Yes :c

[hearty panther]

i knocked out h40 in the first week and now i just do whatever lmao

[terse idol]

Sienna had a harder time removing heat

But you're kindaa aright

[hearty panther]

couple times my havoc mission available dropped down to like 17 or 20 or w/e cause I just muck around on any level

[shadow urchin]

The deranking is so... ugh.

[hearty panther]

well if its any consolation

[shadow urchin]

Heaven forbid I take 5 weeks off of darktide

[wanton dawn]

am doing my h40 every monday they i go to sleep for the week these days

[hearty panther]

any havoc after 33 is basically cosmetic

[terse idol]

And inversely gunpsyker as far as I know has the highest ranged dps in the game but no way to conserve or get ammo back

[shadow urchin]

Man, I wish "No Ammo" was a modifier and not the whole dang thing.

[errant carbon]

Resourceful traits were cooldown reduction, it was Conservative Shooter and Scavenger that made ammo economy almost a non-issue, especially if they interacted positively with your class abilities, and IIRC for the rest of the time I played that game those Traits weren't touched

[calm shard]

assail is how gun psyker is meant to conserve ammo

just a lot of people don't take it because it can't get Psykinetic's Aura

[wanton dawn]

Rofl, i read that and i see reddit post

[hearty panther]

the real issue at high havoc for gunker is that recon las is a giant pit that ammo goes into and very little damage comes out of

[radiant chasm]

Their ammo conversation is assail/blitz

[raw needle]

the actual ammo conservation is glorious melee

[shadow urchin]

You would not believe how much ammo I conserve playing a different game, guys.

[tame lodge]

The real havoc gunker is puncture assail

[errant carbon]

Infernus does give it some value with dot damage bypassing Pox Hardened, but yeah it's hard to justify not funneling what ammo you have to the team's bolter or flamer

[shadow urchin]

Man, I love CONSERVING AMMO. I buy extra ammo from my local gun store just so I can CONSERVE MORE AMMO.

BOY NOT SHOOTING THINGS IS SO MUCH FUN!

[wanton dawn]

Zealot and vet have ammo priority yeah

Psyker has a hard time justifying the ammo. Also considering it already has the highest dmg potential with staff

[errant carbon]

Shoot things with your traumferno staff as malcador intended

[broken spade]

play 4 staff psykers and conserve all the ammo

[wanton dawn]

play 4 staff psykers, do not open any boxes

[shadow urchin]

Somebody get this man a penace!

[hearty panther]

but also laspistol offers infernus while having fantastic efficiency, draw, accuracy, and monstrous finesse scaling

people still don't respect the laspee enough at large

[errant carbon]

Imagine being dependent on the map to give you ammo, like just standing there with your hat in your hands being like "p-pls can I have some ammo in the next box, I promise I won't waste it"

[slim copper]

But what if the ogryn gets hungry and wants a snack?

[wanton dawn]

Well, poor ogryns already are the least popular in h40

[tame lodge]

Hmmm
Real

I haven't pistoled in a while

[raw needle]

does vermintide having inf ammo boxes make it more of a shooting oriented game than dartkide

[slim copper]

Having shit dodges and slides when your hit box is quadrupled and shooters are massively buffed be like

[raw needle]

makes you think

[tame lodge]

[raw needle]

CANT MANTLE

tryna make it through the door the shits stuck

outta my way son

[errant carbon]

No, most ranged weapons for most classes have a small total ammo so you might be able to blast away from an ammo box but you can't take much with you

[tame lodge]

Well if only Ogryns had something that can block ranged attacks

Damm

[slim copper]

Humanoid the size of a car, but cannot get over a fallen groaner in a doorway

[slim copper]

Ogryn point defense lasers when, fs?

[tame lodge]

[errant carbon]

Portable Void Shield Generator for the Big Guy when

[slim copper]

Replace rock with a handheld shield generator that ogryn can throw like a rock

[wanton dawn]

Vacuum capsule ?

[narrow frost]

cryonic rod

[errant carbon]

Thermal Drill

[shadow urchin]

[little path]

I think knife has like a decimal point of extra speed or something

[errant carbon]

Endless mode where we take over a pharmaceutical manufactorum and make our own stims (to sell for dockets) until we wipe or accidentally blow up the lab

[little path]

some value that doesn't actually impact it enough I think

[tame lodge]

Good enough
Welcome Gunner from DRG

Pickaxe? Check

Gun that shoots at lot? Check

[slim copper]

Give ogryn drg flares

[shadow urchin]

How long before we give Zealots a drill?

Or I gues they'd be scout. Psyker then?

Magic Warp Drill

Ah shit that'd actually be a good staff. Just a big Ol' floating drill

[austere mica]

*30% while charging a heavy

[little path]

oh yeah

[tame lodge]

I'd be hilarious to see a zealot detonating a psyker

[little path]

the old vermintide tech

[tame lodge]

But at the same time psyker can detonate itself

[shadow urchin]

Psyker needs no help exploding.

[little path]

New havoc modifier

if psyker explodes

it spawns a daemonhost where he died

Doesn't make lore sense but do it anyway

[errant carbon]

Breaching Auger in Deathwatch doing ludicrous damage

[errant carbon]

Kinda does make sense, Chaos Spawn or Burgle are fine too

[thorn lark]

Man, people...

[errant carbon]

Also not sure why this game doesn't have psyker specials/bosses, VT2 had the equivalent in leeches/blightstormers/purplescurp halliburton

[hollow ibex]

Dude wrote an entire paragraph to explain why he has skill issues

I respect the confidence

[thorn lark]

That's a sick burn Siro!!

[little path]

ogryn?

better melee damage?

[hollow ibex]

Tbf a good ogryn is insane in melee

[thorn lark]

Ogryn has 2 valid melee weapons

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[thorn lark]

Pickaxes and shield

[shadow urchin]

I swear, Ogryn has like, 6 ways to boost his heavy attack damage and it still feels bad when you're not using the meta weapons.

[raw needle]

crazy fucking take

[thorn lark]

So... 4?

[raw needle]

vet has like more dmg per hit than zealot

but genuinely who looks at vet tree and goes

melee is meme

when you get fucking 10 crit 25 finesse JUST FROM TAKING IT

HELLO

[hollow ibex]

I do agree that zealot and ogryn can prob out damage vet in melee, but vet melee is still super poweful

[little path]

They do try to sell vet as the gunner

[raw needle]

30% WEAKSPOT DMG ALSO

[little path]

but sadly the game's horde sizes don't allow for no melee

[thorn lark]

My zealot would like desperado and reciprocity...

[raw needle]

FOR FREE

[shadow urchin]

They also tried to sell Gunlugger so...

[raw needle]

fucking reciprocity yeah

25% crit from playing the game basically

[thorn lark]

I think zealot is more burst dmg and vet constant

I may be wrong but that's my feeling when playing them

[hollow ibex]

Zealots burst damage can be reactivated so rapidly that it's almost always sustained tbf

[thorn lark]

True

[little path]

Zealot excels at running in then dying in the first 22 seconds

then leaving

netting a total of 23 seconds loading in
22 playing the game
24 loading out
60 finding a new match

[shadow urchin]

Psyker excels at exploding.
Vet excels at missing their shots.
Ogryn excels at BEING shot.

Now that's team balance!

[little path]

Zealot runs in and dies
Then the bot that replaces him dies to the crusher
The ogryn and vet both try to rush in
The ogryn gets gunned down and the vet gets blown off the map by a barrel
The psyker hasn't touched his melee weapon in 34 years and tries desperately to fight off the elite horde using just a purgatus staff then dies

the perfect game of darktide

[thorn lark]

It's too bad that gunlugger is totally wrecked by the ammo economy

[tall torrent]

yea

[hollow ibex]

Also man that brutal cooldown

[shadow urchin]

Honestly, a measly 25% more ammo is such a rude thing to say to a gunlugger.

[tall torrent]

ogryn has very high dmg
assuming u use their best weapons

[past oriole]

Hi chat

[hollow ibex]

On the one hand I'm kinda glad that lugger got nerfed so I don't have aashat lugger teammates taking all the ammo

On the other hand poor ogryn needs some help

[shadow urchin]

Replace Ogryn with literally any operator and this statement holds true.

[thorn lark]

I take survivalist if there's a gunlugger. I don't want them to not enjoy the game.

[thorn lark]

They should have made that talent easier to access...

[little path]

Gun lugger ammo eco is bad

[tall torrent]

psyker doesn't

[little path]

but also most gluggers will spend 200 rounds on a normal horde

[errant carbon]

"b-but muh Burst Limiter Override! 12% of the time it works every time!"

[shadow urchin]

Go walk into #psyker-class and tell them that they don't do high damage with their best weapons.

[void dragon]

I feel that lugger needs its twin guns to kill fodder enemies like bruisers in less than 7 frigging shots, it's supposed to be a gigantic gun, why small enemies take so much to kill?!

[past oriole]

Apparently obscurus is meant to 1 shot stuff with scriers but I haven't been feeling it too much

[tame lodge]

Not with the peashooter

[tall torrent]

psyker doesn't have an explicit reliance on using their best weapons to do high dmg

[tame lodge]

💀

[little path]

the force swords need some rework

[tall torrent]

u misunderstood what I wrote

[tame lodge]

Gunlugger is underexecuted

[little path]

why tf is NOT using the special the optimal method of using them

A regular heavy attack to the head does about the same as a special heavy

[tame lodge]

You get two 5% ranged damage sub nodes at the very bottom of your Glugger tree

[errant carbon]

Because they took an 8' tall by 6' wide slab of muscle who's canonically stronger and arguably tougher than a fucking Space Marine and put him in a game where he's supposed to be only as powerful as a spicy guardsman

[shadow urchin]

You said
"ogryn has very high dmg
assuming u use their best weapons"

So are you saying the statement "Psyker has very high dmg assuming u use their best weapons" is false? Because you said Psyker doesn't.

[void dragon]

I would not mind it being as strong, but the fact so many guns and melees feel underwhelming is not helping tbh

[tall torrent]

"psyker doesn't have an explicit reliance on using their best weapons to do high dmg" is the very literal meaning of what I wrote behind "psyker doesn't"

[orchid hemlock]

Oh we have another "Ogryn bad" reddit karma farm? 🍿

[calm shard]

I can do high damage on psyker using shock maul

psyker strong

[little path]

Holy

[calm shard]

doing the same thing on vet is dicy

[little path]

I forgot the shock mauls existed

[shadow urchin]

So is the statement "Psyker has very high dmg assuming u use their best weapons" true or false?

[thorn lark]

Shriek + flames is like a big shredder every 25s

[tall torrent]

what are u even trying to argue

[void dragon]

Shock mauls are a weapon? You are talking about the electrotherapy sticks?

[tall torrent]

"Psyker has very high dmg assuming u use their best weapons" is true

[shadow urchin]

That is a different statement.

[tall torrent]

that's what I was saying

idk what ur trying to argue at this point

[shadow urchin]

When you reply "Psyker doesn't" to my comment, it implies that you believe the statement I made to be false.

[tall torrent]

sorry I should have typed out that whole string of "psyker doesn't have an explicit reliance on using their best weapons to do high dmg" on first go

my bad

[shadow urchin]

No worries. I honestly shouldn't get so caught up on semantics.

[orchid hemlock]

Psyker Easy to play and nuke everything

Ogryn hard to play and nuke everything

[hearty panther]

frag bomb with two explosive radius bonuses is pretty hilarious

too bad it requires speccing into the shittiest half of his tree and using a power maul

[raw needle]

esp when it gets stuck in a collision box and deals no dmg..

[onyx urchin]

hmm

what perks shoudl i get on a bolt pistol meant for long range target one tapping

[void dragon]

Lone poxwaker in the street? Nuke it

Pulls pin of giga grenade

[thorn lark]

I am sure there's a maniac + puncture one shot bp somewhere

[void dragon]

Is it just me or should the krag nade have a bigger radius at least for stagger enemies? Feels that it lacks the impact and tossing it to crowds really is not rewarding at all

[thorn lark]

Krak is for bosses or big ogryns. Not hordes.

[raw needle]

for kraks to even be remotely viable they need to fix melee blessings working on dots exploit

[thorn lark]

It's single target high dmg. Shredders are more useful

[terse idol]

Imo take a revolver for that work, but uhh
Puncture always works

Oh perks

[onyx urchin]

im thinking more like hitting snipers, gunners, and bombers from across the hall

[terse idol]

(Probably the same as regular bistol perks)

[hollow ibex]

Wdym they're already good

[terse idol]

Because you'll have enough damage to one shot those units from range regardless

Flak for sure

[onyx urchin]

just just carapace and maniac?

[thorn lark]

@tall torrent

[terse idol]

Hmm

[tall torrent]

what's the exploit

[broken spade]

uncanny bleed i assume

[raw needle]

yeah

[hollow ibex]

Exploit

[tall torrent]

unarmored
maniac
puncture
lethal prox / point blank

[broken spade]

krak killing a couple crushers looks a lot less appealing when uncanny bleed is a thing that exists with shredder nades

[terse idol]

Imo i think you have good long range damage enough that puncture will help you kill most ranged targets

[raw needle]

its obviously an unintended interaction lol, they've tried to fix numerous interactions like that in the past

[thorn lark]

Unarmored is for gunners?

[brazen mural]

Hmm, for the smokes, what about a rework from the "stealth" type of smoke to the biological weapon type of smoke? So that we can kill a tox bomber with a gass effect :DDD

[tall torrent]

which one

uncanny strike?

sorry it's working as intended

[void dragon]

It's even worse when the close crusher doesn't die from the krag from the ogryn near it, it has quite a small ape and not much stagger at all

[tall torrent]

working as intended as in it follows what it's coded to do

[onyx urchin]

im keeping my choice of blessings but ty for the perk reccomendations

[terse idol]

Me as I go to push a tox burster but the vet fart gas blew him up on me

Yeah nooo

[tall torrent]

the only instance of melee rending is for zealot's ability

[terse idol]

Are you doing surgical da on the bistol?

[tall torrent]

they never coded melee rending into blessings

[terse idol]

Because you don't need surgical da for long ranged targets

[thorn lark]

Puncture is very important to achieve some bp

[terse idol]

On bistol

[raw needle]

fatfish at it again

[tall torrent]

so saying it's an exploit is wrong

[errant carbon]

120% rending is part of a healthy meta, soon all classes will be able to make armor damage modifiers a thing of the past inshallah

[tall torrent]

saying it's a dumb balancing decision is right

[broken spade]

This applies to all the other blessings that used to work globally as well
Until they stopped being lazy and actually fixed it

[brazen mural]

Very good point. Lets give the burster a gass mask. Now it only works against the enemies we want to kill

[terse idol]

Now it's laaziness it's priorities to be fair

[onyx urchin]

ill try puncture and deadly accurate

[terse idol]

Kill helbore with bm

[raw needle]

btw didnt they say they fixed manstopper and puncture applying on knives?

[terse idol]

No

[raw needle]

cause im pretty sure that 80% of fatshark fixes end up not fixing anything

[terse idol]

You still have railgun knives I think

No

It depends!

[raw needle]

eg double stealth and fotf on chains

[hollow ibex]

That's going to be really bad

[tame lodge]

Hope you get enough crit to sustain DA

[terse idol]

They like lethal prox on shredder grenades evidentally

And hotshot applying to your melee

[raw needle]

i know, im just asking whether they ever mentioned trying to fix that

[terse idol]

Nope

Not to my knowledge

[onyx urchin]

yeah thats why i had surgical so i could guarantee a bookoo crit on a distant target

[terse idol]

There are some interactions that seemingly need enough investment that fs likes it i guess

[terse idol]

You don't need it

[thorn lark]

You mean breaking something else?

[faint beacon]

They’ve done shit like this where they leave a thing in for ages and then fix it

[raw needle]

more like doesnt care about

[terse idol]

You should rather play surgical on a bolter than surgical on bistol

[faint beacon]

Rest in piss BM + Limbsplitter Helbore bayonet

[raw needle]

i mean the fixes literally not doing anything

[terse idol]

We don't know if they do

[broken spade]

not bothering to make code to finish a feature doesn't make it intended

[terse idol]

Also because lethal proximity by itself sucks on the bistol

It would be a dead blessing if not for that particular interaction

[faint beacon]

Correct

[terse idol]

Considering puncture doesn't apply on the Aoe

[faint beacon]

Hence they should fix it and make it a dead blessing

:))

[onyx urchin]

would point blank be better

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-the-punisher-wait-no-panicking-gif-22139346

[terse idol]

Yeag

Just do puncture

[tall torrent]

that's the funny part
rending code is working perfectly as intended
there's actually nothing wrong on a code level
just uncanny's numbers being absurdly high
and them not using melee rending's code for it

[terse idol]

For long range damage

[faint beacon]

Me millionth dead in the water blessing

As per par of FS

[terse idol]

It will be enough to dot all long range enemies to death imo

Run and gun is good too though

[raw needle]

fatfish at it again....

[onyx urchin]

ill try this out and see how it works

[broken spade]

we don't know definitively if it works as intended or if they just intended something different and didn't finish making it.
You do not know if they intended to have ranged rending but didn't have time to make it.
Fatshark doesn't finish shit all the time

[thorn lark]

But considering it applies to FGS special

[void dragon]

MorbidlyobeseShrimp moment

[terse idol]

So like it really depends on your philosophy on how fatshark balances weapon + X interactions

If railgun zealot hasn't been fixed yet

[tame lodge]

40+ BMI Chondrichthyes Moment

[terse idol]

It's clearly okay I guess

Because well

[raw needle]

if not enough people complain there's a high chance they wont care tbh

[terse idol]

You have to commit a weapon family and a blessing slot and taking tknives

Which (are already good)

And get a crit

[raw needle]

the qa is pretty much not there!!!

[terse idol]

To get manstopper railgun on knife

[terse idol]

We have play testers

In the server

😭

[raw needle]

playtesters are not the same thing as qa

[terse idol]

Hmm

They're in a similar category

[thorn lark]

QA are paid

[terse idol]

Yeah abit

Play testers are volunteers

[thorn lark]

Play testing is user testing mostly

[terse idol]

QA is also more about hitting bugs

And weird interactions

[wanton dawn]

Imagine going into h40 with 2 vet and no ammo aura

[raw needle]

remember when activating relic blade and climbing a ladder would terminate your session

good times

[terse idol]

Again, I'm gonna say if railgun zealot hasn't been fixed yet it's probably an okay interaction from FS (until they change it and my entire statement becomes false)

[tall torrent]

its behaviour follows what its code should allow it to do, so it is working as intended
as to whether or not it being stupidly strong is intended, that's a different subject

[terse idol]

Okay maybe you're right

Weird that QA wouldn't test

[tame lodge]

Today I will Perfect block this mutant

[terse idol]

Activating a new weapon and climbing a ladder

I wonder how buggy darktide is when it does hit their QA team

If what we get are alot of bugs that literally crash the game

[atomic void]

why pay qa when u can release to the public to report the bugs for free (goes for every studio)

[raw needle]

everything that's in the code is intended cause they wrote it tbh

they wouldnt have if they didnt intend to

[terse idol]

Or lord forbid, and this is probably the case

[thorn lark]

Railgun zealot is not meta and breaking the game so probably not a priority

[terse idol]

The QA is out sourced

[broken spade]

Missed interactions still count as exploits.
Things following code doesn't exclude something from being an exploit.
If devs forgot to add a wall that let me walk to the end of a mission, all the code still works but i'm still exploiting it

[terse idol]

I just like to think it's intended

[atomic void]

what is railgun zealot

[wanton dawn]

probably the stuff with the knife piercing everything ?

[thorn lark]

There's at least a bit of unit and system testing. The code is not deployed as is.

[atomic void]

oh u mean the meme with putting the funny cleave double barrel perk that makes knives cut through everything like butter?

[wanton dawn]

Idk, i don't enjoy playing zealot that much

[thorn lark]

Shroud + man stopper blessing = instant crit on tknife + infinite cleave

[atomic void]

yep thought so

funny interaction

[thorn lark]

I always view exploits as abusing the code that exists for non intended results. Not abusing the lack of code.

[wanton dawn]

I mean... You can abuse a lack of check in the code resulting in unintended path

It is all semantics at this point

[broken spade]

We don't know what's intended though.
Maybe they intended it but never got around to it.
Do not confuse whether code exists as an intended feature

[tall torrent]

lethal prox and hotshot are the only ones I can say for certain that smth is probably wrong with their code

[broken spade]

You don't know what the design intentions are is my point

[wanton dawn]

Remember when exil takedown increased your thoughness damage taken ? And nobody knew cuz nobody picked it anyway ?

[thorn lark]

Maybe that's semantics but that's interesting 🫃

[atomic void]

does lethal prox still work with crusher

[tall torrent]

therefore always assume design intention to line up with their function

[tall torrent]

no

[atomic void]

now that's lame

[terse idol]

Oh i will say considering milk and cookies show cased the bistol with lethal proximity and grenades and that got shown to the public by fatshark iirc to showcase the new weapon

[broken spade]

psyker's lmb quell canceling is probably part of their code. Interrupting certain actions is probably an explicit thing that's there.
Pretty sure that's confirmed as an exploit though

[terse idol]

That,that interaction miiight have been actually intended maybe

Or I'm making up a memory I need to watch it again

He played bistol with shock maul

[wanton dawn]

Unless you are talking very low level code, I find design intention to be pretty straightforward to guess

[thorn lark]

Remember thy grenade be swift?

[wanton dawn]

Good time

[thorn lark]

Did he know about the "exploits"?

[broken spade]

It's a little weird when it comes to things with a lot of interactions.
Like actions canceling others is probably an intended feature for fludity's sake.
People abusing it to fire 30 shots per second by canceling every shot is probably not what they intended.
There's unintended features, and then there's unintended interactions

some shit is unintended just cause the devs never thought about it and didn't have any intentions

[wanton dawn]

Well, as a rule of thumb having to rely on macro to squeeze the most perf is not good game design and need to be adressed at some point

Though animation cancel is a good thing

Just need the right balance

[terse idol]

Never mind

[thorn lark]

You can have both at the same time no? Because og FOTF was definitely in that category I think.

[broken spade]

Surely they'll figure out a way to stop macro abusers without ruining the fluidity of the weapon....

[terse idol]

I made up the memory

[tall torrent]

nerf it so if animation cancelled it shoots below base max firerate

[terse idol]

He made a surgical da build

Holly shit

Who else could it have been... bricky....

[raw needle]

if only wr had an active dev in the community that could answer questions

[wanton dawn]

He would get chewed up and spat out'

[raw needle]

and the closest we have to that is lopus

[atomic void]

bricky the goat

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/its-never-lupus-lupus-house-house-md-hugh-laurie-gif-11021011

[tall torrent]

oh then it's intended

[raw needle]

who I'm pretty sure is not involved with neither gameplay design nor coding that stuff

[tall torrent]

[terse idol]

No

[wanton dawn]

Plus most people don't know crapa bout dev work

[terse idol]

Its not

[wanton dawn]

and don't respect it

[terse idol]

I made it up! I made the memory I love my unreliable narrator that is my brain!

PLEASE DONT GET RID OF LETHAL PROXIMITY INTERACTION PLEEEEASE

[wanton dawn]

Remember bm bayonet ?

[thorn lark]

Good times

[terse idol]

Well that was super broken

[wanton dawn]

it was not that broken imo

[thorn lark]

You had to use the Hellbore

[terse idol]

Couldn't you 10 shot a BoN

With just the bayonett

[wanton dawn]

You could not block for one thing

[tall torrent]

with a melee weapon that had no block, abysmal sprint efficiency and -25% dodge distance (worse than every other weapon)

yea no

[terse idol]

[wanton dawn]

It was top dmg yeah, but broken ? come one

[tall torrent]

it was nothing more than a fun & strong gimmick

[thorn lark]

Remember Hand Cannon applying to melee?

[wanton dawn]

I have a funny video about thunderous

[terse idol]

They killed it to make hotshot for shovel a thing or something

[raw needle]

the oldest exploit I remember is crucian roulette

[terse idol]

Its really weird

[thorn lark]

Omg you're right

[raw needle]

they fixed it within a week of the community discovering it... I think

Or was it longer than a week

Well regardless

[thorn lark]

I have an older one I think. Infinite stacking on burn stacks

Patched around mid December 22

[raw needle]

fotf rending on ranged was probably the longest lived

[terse idol]

Wasn't it also a time where bm didn't have a limit?

[tall torrent]

no

[terse idol]

Ohhh

[tall torrent]

BM after rework always only worked up to 3 times

[terse idol]

Aww they killed bm with helbore 😭

[thorn lark]

And it was even acknowledged at some point. Because they nerfed flamer because of that...

[thorn lark]

Has been reworked 2 or 3 times already

[wanton dawn]

Here we go, thunderous abuse #veteran-class message

[raw needle]

ohhh you reminded of that one shotgun blessing

that gave you like 8 times the buff it should've

[thorn lark]

FF 3

[wanton dawn]

Power cycler was infinite for like, a day before hotfix ?

That was a riot

'member weapon lock ?

Better forget !

[raw needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1030488844446994562/1087424870113099906/8mb.video-YVz-Z2yQ74zI.mp4

[thorn lark]

I remember ps without power cycler

[broken spade]

I will also say that I used to have a similar assumption back when all blessings were global. I thought "maybe it's possible this is intended? i mean, there is no blessing at all in the game that isn't global. There isn't code contradicting this"
but no, crucial working globally was a bug, as was all of the others

and now we face the same issue with uncanny and we're left to wonder if it was a mistake they left in or if they intended it

[wanton dawn]

The powercycler farm !

That was some bullcrap

[raw needle]

holy shit FEATS tab

takes me back

i don't wanna go back HELLP

[tall torrent]

uncanny strike is not global tho

they fixed most of those global blessings by adding a check for in-hand weapon

and uncanny strike does follow this check correctly

[wanton dawn]

Ouuuh, that's an oldie this one

[tall torrent]

it's just a numerically overtuned blessing

[broken spade]

Yeah but my point is the code didn't really confirm it wasn't a bug

[raw needle]

does anyone have screenshots of large/small ogryns

back when you could inject values lmao

[broken spade]

the fact they never made a check back then didn't really prove they never wanted one

[wanton dawn]

I think he meant back when you could change size to stupid level

[thorn lark]

No shirt was amazing 😦

[broken spade]

bringing back good (horrible) memories of early darktide

[thorn lark]

I don't remember oO

[wanton dawn]

charging the gif correctly this time

[wanton dawn]

For a time you had 30 feet tall ogryns in the morningstar. Was patch way faster than no shirt

[raw needle]

can't find any footage of the big ones

[thorn lark]

Wait. That's stacking pinning with bash right? Because you can still do that?

[wanton dawn]

I think so yeah

[thorn lark]

OG pinning being like 100%

[terse idol]

Naw it wasn't a day it was a few days of infinite psword cleave

On release when we didn't have the tree even lmao

[latent parcel]

who let maff back in veteran chat.... last time i saw him he was on his zealot!

[broken spade]

power blessing were so wild back then

numbers insanely high for the best type of buff in the game

[wanton dawn]

I let myself in

[latent parcel]

[wanton dawn]

Man I am so gonna watch this movie again

[latent parcel]

you get ur 4 vet havoc 40 done yet

[wanton dawn]

Nah. Not trolling on monday

[latent parcel]

why not

i troll every game i enter by playing ogryn

[wanton dawn]

I play dbs. That's enough

[latent parcel]

dbs PUMPS th

tho

[wanton dawn]

Also we only realized at the end but

we had 2 vet and no ammo aura

[latent parcel]

classic maff

not bringing ammo aura

[wanton dawn]

Didnt prevent the win though

[latent parcel]

[supple laurel]

we all immediately got downed because my fucking assail knives hit a poxburster

great start

.

wrong channel

[steep flower]

one of the reasons why Assail ain't that great

[austere mica]

Assail is great if you use it well

Enables super weaveing in melee for peril upkeep

total shooter death

[supple laurel]

assail is good if used correctly

my case i did not use it correctly

[uncut pebble]

If: burster
Then: don't throw darts

Or look away from it, assail follows your cursor.

[hollow ibex]

staffkers when they see a burster

https://tenor.com/view/tmnt-cowabunga-it-is-michaelangelo-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-gif-15971163

[rose reef]

comin hot off a 23 havoc victory that was kinda mild, how hard is havoc 40

i mean we're vets right best of the best

surely easy 👀

[uncut pebble]

One shooter is instant death.

[rose reef]

what

[uncut pebble]

One shooter can burst you down in one burst.

Instantly downing you.

[rose reef]

damn, they said, we removed your plot armor

gonna need a named space marine with no helmet to fix this...

[spark helm]

Haven't done havoc quite yet. Good to know that shooters are even more of a pain in the ass when left unchecked. My pewpew better than their pewpew.

[frank basin]

Can you pewpew 20 shooter aiming at you?

I don’t know is there modifier on havoc that make shooter not being suppressing fire

[spark helm]

I'll learn how much faster I need to be.

Done it before, but havoc definitely seems like a tighter window of snapping.

[tall torrent]

u will experience lore-accurate lasgun damage

[radiant chasm]

you are getting the vs imperial guard infantry experience

i've turned corners to just get mowed down instantly by a team of trash shooters

they will drown you in shots if you let them

[rose reef]

honestly its deserved because for the last few years as a vet main i ask myself how insane it must be that we've survived canonically 11 missions and multiple imperial guard deployments

and now we fight beasts of nurgles sometimes alone

not even so much as a cough

i love it though

[tall torrent]

havoc is not lore accurate though

player's damage is not remotely close to lore-accurate

[rose reef]

depends bolt pistols are nuts and powerswords as well, and krak grenades canonically have taken out leman russ tanks

so not horrible 🙄

the fact the psyker doesn't open a whole in the warp and kill us all is probably the most suprising

[uncut pebble]

One krak grenade would rip a daemonhost in half.

[tall torrent]

boltpistol to the face can't 1 shot gunners in high havoc

[uncut pebble]

That's what psykhana collars are for, so that exact scenario doesn't happen.

[rose reef]

these ones for sure i bet cherubael from the eisenhorn books though

would eat a krak

[radiant chasm]

yea collars are basically the lore solution

[rose reef]

like its nothing

[radiant chasm]

stabilizes but also weakens the psyker

[uncut pebble]

Plus I doubt our psykers are powerful enough to even do that without the collars.

[radiant chasm]

cause we are prob going to go into deeper corruption later in the game's lifespan

[tall torrent]

seer > savant > loner
in power scaling

[rose reef]

the psyker who is absurdley intelligent is def high up

not anything insane like alpha plus

[tall torrent]

they're around zeta level

and below

[radiant chasm]

dampens power, stabilizes and protects psyker, and provides a failsafe that will instantly incap or kill said psyker if energy starts overloading before something bad happens

[rose reef]

but the fact he can conjure shields and knows shit he shouldn't know because of warp knowledge without being consumed by it is nuts

[radiant chasm]

seer? seer just has a small tiny shard of big e

[rose reef]

i do wonder what their beloved is though

oh you think?

[radiant chasm]

it's a daemon theory doesn't work for me, because there is a fake big E "outside the dream" tempting the seer, that is a daemon for sure

but a single low level psyker being tempted by 2 Daemons, who would have to be greater daemons of slaanesh or tzeentch to know information only Big E and a small number of dead mortals would know

[rose reef]

i wonder if being connected to big is what draws them even more

would not suprise me at all

dude is like a bright guiding star to everything over there

[radiant chasm]

savant has professional training, and loner just has that i hate chaos more than i hate the imperium mood

[rose reef]

i love the loner but its also crazy how much the loner knows? like the ecclesiarchy being a sham? that the emperor eats psykers?

[tall torrent]

loner being canonically the weakest psyker is the funniest given he talks the most amount of shit

[radiant chasm]

Big E fragments aren't even that rare anyways, bigger ones sure can be really important but have you ever shattered glass before? you get a lot of dust and particles

[radiant chasm]

it's not exactly a secret

[radiant chasm]

i mean it's impressive, they practically use the same mentality that uhh Fabius Bile uses

which is uhh, fuck the chaos gods

[rose reef]

i just started dark imperium so im curious to see guillimans thoughts on the matter

[hollow ibex]

i can't stand loner's voice

[rose reef]

i doubt the lion would approve either

[rose reef]

male or female

[hollow ibex]

male

i don't think i even heard the female one before lol

[rose reef]

true i think i prefer the savant female because shes nice to the ogryn

[radiant chasm]

they probably still crutch on Big E but they must have some level of self skill to avoid getting swarmed byh daemons

[tall torrent]

loner and cutthroat are the 2 worst personalities in the game
cutthroat can be massively improved that he becomes a top tier personality
loner even with voice modulator is still kinda wack

[radiant chasm]

female loner is great and sarcastic

[stoic thorn]

Cutthroat is great wdym

[fiery raft]

i like male cutthroat

alot

[rose reef]

cutthroatis amazing imo

[radiant chasm]

fem cutthroat is a killer

[rose reef]

was my first iteration of my character

[hollow ibex]

i think path's traumatized by my male cuthroat

[stoic thorn]

I don't like the fem cutthroat as much tho

[rose reef]

im going to try fem cuthroat for a bit rn

[stoic thorn]

Her lines don't hit as hard

[rose reef]

i never see her

so i never get to hear them

[radiant chasm]

fem loner calling out agitator zealot for faking high gothic is one of my favorite lines

[fiery raft]

i think so too

[rose reef]

im playing female professional rn

i vibe with it alot

[tall torrent]

base male cutthroat and scion helmet male cutthroat are so different they might as well be 2 personalities

[radiant chasm]

i think you do if you know the type of anger she has

she's not as upfront angry and loud as male CT

[rose reef]

male cuthroat is my first
female ummm middle one thats kinda jokey is my fave

[stoic thorn]

Everytime male cutthroat hits an ability activation you can hear his extreme amounts of anger

[radiant chasm]

her anger is a lot boiling under the surface and like a burning hot knife

[hollow ibex]

i love the rage of the male cutthroat

[stoic thorn]

He is 200% angry 120% of the time and I fw that

[rose reef]

I WANT EM DEAD RIGHT HERE RN

he hits hard

[fiery raft]

i love male cutthroat shouts so much

[radiant chasm]

I find male ct too well, on the loud parts of anger

[stoic thorn]

GET THEM DEAD! RIGHT HERE! RIGHT NOW!

[radiant chasm]

not enough of that calm held back anger fem ct

[stoic thorn]

I'm growing on his exe stance voicelines

[fiery raft]

i can visualize the say it dont spray it

[rose reef]

🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[stoic thorn]

Cadian suprise coming in

[tall torrent]

unless scion helmet

[stoic thorn]

Sever the head, the body dies

[radiant chasm]

yee xd

FOR CREED!

[tall torrent]

scion helmet male cutthroat is peak veteran

[rose reef]

i wish the other voicelines talking about them being cadian more

[fiery raft]

i dont like the other two veteran voices much

[radiant chasm]

my gf plays fem pro vet

[stoic thorn]

FOOOOOORRR CREEEEEEEEEEEEEED

[radiant chasm]

only time i hear fem pro

[rose reef]

oh shes just like me!

thats what i play rn

[fiery raft]

how can i get scion helm?

isnt it a vesture?

[radiant chasm]

loose cannon is good just not what I want to play, I like having them in my games tho

[rose reef]

VESTURE

ye

[fiery raft]

oh wai t im dumb

ive been talking about loose cannon the whole time

[stoic thorn]

Also live cadian shock troop shitting his ass

[fiery raft]

yeah i love male loose cannon

[rose reef]

thats what its called!!

[radiant chasm]

male pro is good enough, has some looseness and bite to it so it isn't one note

[rose reef]

loose cannon fem is my fave

shes so funny

[radiant chasm]

but female pro is so straight laced GI Jane

[fiery raft]

loose cannon male is what i use and i adore it

[radiant chasm]

i don't think i've heard a single memorable, stand out line from her

[rose reef]

i really just like the way she says

for the throne

[indigo totem]

female loose cannon is goated

[rose reef]

🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

AGREED

[uncut pebble]

No, our psykers are on the weaker end.

[fiery raft]

i think female loose cannon is good

but i just never get tired of male loose cannon

i love his va

[rose reef]

are you sure? because even gideon ravenor would have trouble

doing what they do

[radiant chasm]

psykers aren't dnd wizards

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1311940693790298172/Untitled_video.mp4?ex=674aaf7c&is=67495dfc&hm=94a395046e0df22b0ee2a9b8208073492dab187f6def2986b7d642e02745ee39&

[uncut pebble]

Gameplay is not lore accurate.

[radiant chasm]

you can be a genius and it doesn't matter really to what level psyker you are

[rose reef]

LMFAO

[uncut pebble]

Our psykers, canonically, are weaker than most.

[radiant chasm]

weaker end of combat ability psykers, we are stronger than like, the maozi psychically sensitive theory

which are the majority of psykers

[rose reef]

zeta level is pretty good though

[indigo totem]

@uncut pebble i thought we're like zeta level psykers, MOST psykers get eaten up by the Big E a primaris level psyker is not weaker than most,

[radiant chasm]

people who can't really manifest their powers like the ones we have can, the shards, lightning, brain rupture, shield vent etc

[uncut pebble]

Ok, for psykers that actually have powers capable of influencing anything, our psykers are weaker than most.

[tall torrent]

DT psyker's abilities are up to zeta level (in gameplay terms)
strongest would be seer but that's only if they use shard of emperor (which is not translated into gameplay)
savant has years of enforcer training but isn't super gifted
loner just sucks

[uncut pebble]

You can be a psyker and your only ability be able to sense a change in the weather.

[indigo totem]

i mean redudant though

[rose reef]

that makes sense

[indigo totem]

cause i cant change weather in game

xD

[radiant chasm]

yea, the common psyker in the imperial guard can blow up an entire platoon, but they also have a habit of blowing themselves and an entire platoon up, or summoning a daemon that kills the entire platoon, or just head popping 5 minutes in cause they glanced at something they weren't supposed to

our psykers are remarkably stable, and the collars further help with that while further dampening their upper limits of power

[uncut pebble]

I was just noting that little tidbit because technically our psykers are stronger than 90% of the total psykers, because that 90% has useless powers, but as for psykers that have useful powers, we are weaker than most.

[rose reef]

in book 2 of the eisenhorn series, theres a kid, alpha level psyker, gregor over century old at this point, or near a century can't remember, but being a psychic trained insquisitor was powerless before that kid and so was everyone else within 100 miles

so ur right

compared to that their weak

[stoic thorn]

Back

[rose reef]

but that was an exceptionaally rare kid

[uncut pebble]

Yes, a very rare exception, and also, an uncollared psyker is going to be more powerful than one that is.

That's just fact.

[radiant chasm]

i do like the masozi is a low level psyker tho

one of my favorite theories

[tall torrent]

who?

[vernal trench]

this sure is something

[radiant chasm]

masozi

[uncut pebble]

Flight deck chief, the lady that flies our valkyrie.

[rose reef]

I Don't think gregor ever wore a psykana collar but he has been trained and has thorough barriers that dampen his ''will" or ''willed force"

[radiant chasm]

ability is good, must grab ability extension nodes

[vernal trench]

true that

[uncut pebble]

Sanctic powers are capable of serving in place of a collar, and most psykers that are capable of them go without their collars, because the Emperor is literally protecting them.

The big kicker there is "are you capable of sanctic powers?"

[rose reef]

true i do remember in book 3 him fending off cherubael for a bit using an emperors prayer he learned a schild

[vapid blade]

onslaught isnt only melee hits, is it? it just says hits

[radiant chasm]

like, okay being exceptionally good pilot and card shark is on point for her character

But then we get into what she "feels"

She feels the true form of the corruptor daemon(s) as it is spread all across tertium. She feels if hadron has messed with anything in her ship, even if she doesn't know exactly what

[uncut pebble]

Any hits.

[vapid blade]

insane

thanks

[uncut pebble]

Technopath, I think would be the term.

[rose reef]

do you like weapons specialist better than focus?

[radiant chasm]

it's all signs of just, being slightly more in touch with the warp and psychic energies than the average human

[uncut pebble]

She could very well be a technopath.

Corruptors infest machinery.

[vernal trench]

i got no opinions on them

[uncut pebble]

I feel it's less that she can sense the corruptors and more that she can feel where something in a machine is wrong.

[rose reef]

thats weird

[radiant chasm]

could be, would that still give her the skill and luck combination for cards and flying

[rose reef]

thats a weird power

sounds like tech heresy?

[uncut pebble]

Nope, not heresy.

[rose reef]

tech blessing from the ominssiah?

[uncut pebble]

It would be considered a blessing from the Omnissiah.

[radiant chasm]

more like just, being psyker but your magical fixation is tech

[rose reef]

wouldn't that mean

that

the warp was involved

with the machine spirit business

[uncut pebble]

The Ominissiah's blessings are many and varied. Look at Pasqal in rogue trader, he is gifted with insight and powers to do things he shouldn't be able to do at random, then forgets immediately after.

[rose reef]

pasqals mind fractured almost as bad as bellisarius cawl

[uncut pebble]

In fact, in the scene that you meet him, he blows up a machine as an act of service to send off the machine spirit, and then has no idea what you're talking about when you question him.

He couldn't reproduce the phenomenon if he tried.

[radiant chasm]

Few, if any, seem to be able to match her uncanny skill in card games.

Many crewmembers such as Operative Soltag, Operative Morti, the Darktide 7, and most of our character Rejects all appear to have played Masozi and some state that she cheats.
I wish wikipedia sourced these things lol

[rose reef]

i've only heard the zealot claim she cheats

loose cannon vet owes her money and has to do something for her

[radiant chasm]

soltag also claims that

Operative Soltag (Brunt's Armoury corner) - Grizzled, old bastard

and so does morti

[rose reef]

i mean this information does not suprise me and i would assume any of them would cheat

psyker losing is crazy cause just read her mind?

ogryn

well personally i would let the ogryn win because you let an ogryn win for the same reaosn han lets chewbacca win

you get to keep your arms

[wicked epoch]

whos cheating on who what now

[radiant chasm]

she probably only cheats at a supernatural level, unaware of it

[rose reef]

DISCUSSING mazosi

the one who flies us in to missions

[radiant chasm]

there is several claims masozi cheats at Darktown Whist (which uses darktown tarot) by characters in-game

[wicked epoch]

masozi definitely cheats

[radiant chasm]

one theory is that due to other signs, masozi is actually a latent psychic individual

[wicked epoch]

how is that so

[radiant chasm]

#veteran-class message

read this and down from here

frog brought up technopath specifically

[burnt vortex]

Her ship senses is just gearhead shit

[uncut pebble]

The helmet reminds me of an ncr ranger.

[wicked epoch]

i mean, if your a good enough pilot stuck with your ship long enough you'll notice

[burnt vortex]

Like how some people know if you used a diff fuel for their beloved cars

[uncut pebble]

Specifically the one from honest hearts.

[wicked epoch]

tried going for that, made an anti material rifle outta the bolter

exe stance build is fun

[uncut pebble]

Now show me your boltgun roll.

[radiant chasm]

I mean the big one is just in mission quotes about "feeling" the corruptor daemon

that's, not something a normal 40k human would do

[wicked epoch]

what makes it different from any fella

[atomic void]

just checking, i just need to collect grims and scriptures from ANY mission not just specific missions for event yeah?

[radiant chasm]

a normal 40k human would prob feel discomfort and other effects for being near a live corruptor

[radiant chasm]

specific 21st missions

[wicked epoch]

but what does masozi feel

[half path]

Ah the omnissiah

The emperor is potentially the living embodiment of his will but not him cause he will never be him
Or you know it’s that ctan dragon that lives in a radioactive labyrinth on mars who is worshipped by a secret sect of xenarites called the cult of the dragon and the high magos claim it doesn’t exist and totally wasn’t lulled into slumber by the emperor don’t look for the dragon frog it’s not real

[uncut pebble]

It's very apparent that the Omnissiah exists, even if it is a separate entity from the Emperor, and clearly it is not the shard of the void dragon beneath Mars.

Cause, yknow, Pasqal getting a blessing on the other side of the giant fucking warp scar bisecting the galaxy points to that.

[radiant chasm]

I can't find the exact lines off the wiki, but from her Valkyrie, she can feel the corruptor daemon(s) (depending on if you view the corruptor as one massive entity with multiple parts or multiple smaller entities) and that what we killed was only a small portion of it that stretched all through tertium

[wicked epoch]

damn

maybe she could be a latent psyker

or just an S++ tier gambler

[uncut pebble]

I feel like she's just a technopath with slight divination abilities.

Would explain her ability to sense a corruptor, her ability to know exactly what's wrong with her valkyrie, and her ability to cheat at gambling without getting caught.

[wicked epoch]

thats a big fuckin gun

[wicked epoch]

the valkyrie bit is more like a general gearhead thing

[radiant chasm]

also just being, well, not dead

[wicked epoch]

drive or fly anything long enough and know its ins and outs, you'll tell whats wrong

[radiant chasm]

we can see live evidence of the dangers of being a pilot for the inquisition forces

[half path]

Stuff like this does imply it’s warp based in a way which lands credence to the theory in the cult the emperor is the embodiment of the omnissiah but not him. And as far as I recall I don’t read much books involving ctan mentions but they are factually not connected to the warp I think

[radiant chasm]

from wreckage on the ground to incidents on returning

[uncut pebble]

Idk, I'm not a gearhead so I can't really comment on it, but she seems to be significantly more in tune with her valkyrie than normal pilots.

[wicked epoch]

its pretty normal for gearheads

my buddy sat in my grandpas car and instantly identified the shifter needed to be oiled up

driving acar he can list the stuff hes gotta fix off the top his head just off drivin it

[half path]

On this note did you know living saints are from the warp and essentially very similar process to daemon prices leading some sorcerers to believe they are daemon princes of the emperor

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, some mechanics are just like that. My brother in law is, too. He pointed out everything wrong with my car before I bought it at the lot just by popping the hood and looking, not checking anything.

Lo and behold, he was right on every one of them.

Not super expensive problems so I didn't mind buying it, and it's fun to learn to fix stuff anyway.

[radiant chasm]

being a gearhead outside the cult mechanicus is weird on itself

[uncut pebble]

They hold shards of the Emperor's soul.

So essentially, yeah, living saints are daemon princes, by definition.

[crystal monolith]

what's the 411 on the alchys mk viii

[uncut pebble]

Corvus doesn't count as a daemon prince to me, because he turned into a daemon of his own volition.

[half path]

The void dragon theory is still fun for the omnissiah though mostly cause I like the xenarites as a sect of tech priests

[crystal monolith]

assuming brutal momentum and headtaker probably

[wicked epoch]

tankers, flyers, anybody in a vehicle

[drifting oak]

FIFTY EIGHT SPEICALS

[wicked epoch]

anybody in the military whos a vehicle operator forms a bond with their vehicle

[drifting oak]

what is the rest of my team doing

[uncut pebble]

Not really, it comes with being familiar with hardware in general.

[wicked epoch]

and literally has to be a gearhead just to get into the job to begin with

[wicked epoch]

this

[uncut pebble]

I'm getting better and better at identifying what's wrong with computers just by fiddling with them.

Course, round peg, round hole type shit is easy enough for a toddler to understand.

[wicked epoch]

its just being familiar with something

[half path]

It’s pretty common in the books and stuff albeit the cult don’t like it much cause it’s never done the way they want it done

[wicked epoch]

not specific gearhead stuff

[uncut pebble]

Most people attempting to maintain their vehicles accidentally piss off the machine spirit, that's why.

A leman russ with a displeased machine spirit won't drive, and a leman russ that won't drive isn't worth messing with.

Now, that being said, this points even further to Masozi being a latent psyker, because she does all her own maintenance without angering the machine spirit of her valkyrie.

[terse idol]

In the wild land of 40k to be fair it's not that far fetched she's a latent psyker like frog and bandit are suggesting

Latent psykers have different levels if anything

Our psykers can pop heads

[radiant chasm]

yea, despite all of hadron's complaints

[half path]

The only people I think they don’t exactly get annoyed about doing it are tech adepts

[radiant chasm]

hadron never pulled the "you upset the machine spirits" to masozi

[terse idol]

There are probably hundreds of psykers out there that latent power is like, to smell farts better I dunno

[uncut pebble]

You either a smart fella, or...

[half path]

Verdict is still out on whether machine sprits are even real or just part of the techno shamanism that has infiltrated the cult mechanicum popular examples from me

The ritual of awakening = pressing the on button
Motive force = electricity

[radiant chasm]

i'm willing to bet cause I've heard many lines, many repeated lines, and while hadron grumbles about masozi doing maintenance, i'm 99.9% sure there isn't an in-game line of hadron telling masozi that her ship's machine spirit is upset

[terse idol]

I mean it's probably as real as when you smack your computer and it works again

[radiant chasm]

it's 40k and the warp

it becomes truth by warp belief nonsense, especially cause it's fuckin humans

[terse idol]

I live by the theory in real life that individuals have levels of tech mana

[radiant chasm]

tau humans made the greater good into an entitity, 40k is weird

[half path]

things like land raiders 100% have machine spirits that being their AI pilot

[terse idol]

Some people touch a computer and it instantly breaks

Some people touch a computer and the problems it has goes away

Tech mana

[half path]

but claiming a lasgun has one is a debate I don’t think they will ever give us an answer on

[terse idol]

There's probably like

Different levels (no you're probably right)

But like

How do you explain when a tech priest puts a purity seal on a weapon and it gets better

(It's doesn't reeallly get better)

Okay wait I'm gonna roll back on my statement

Some purity seals ward against the warp

[trim steppe]

Absolutely. Computers are like horses, they can tell if you're nervous around them and won't respect you

[half path]

Believing something to be true has a lot of power for species with a presence in the warp

[terse idol]

It might be alot more that there might be a fraction of the emperors power in all machines

[half path]

I mean if the eldar are to be believed he is a giant golden titan in the warp now

[terse idol]

And tech priests are vesting their prayer to the machine God (who's the emperor inbewing his power into every machine)

Yeah that's not too far fetched

[wicked epoch]

is a stealth sniper build something that can not die instantly

[half path]

sure

not sure how fun it would be though

[terse idol]

(Imo it's better to play something with exe, and mf or ft)

[half path]

exe is by far the better shout for doing sniper things

[uncut pebble]

If the rogue trader game is anything to go by, machine spirits definitely exist.

[half path]

if we ever get a longshot las i cant wait to see its damage under exe stance

[uncut pebble]

Gue've'sa/Gue'la (I do not know the difference)

[half path]

for every piece of evidence that proves they exist there is another lore tidbit that makes them look like a pile of horse shit

and i think thats part of the charm of it

[uncut pebble]

Not to be confused with Gue'ron'sha, which are astartes.

[terse idol]

Now to be fair I'll probably say like

A big problem is that not just one author writes for 40k

For narrative purposes yeah the machine spirit can be alive in one book

And just not be relevant for another

[uncut pebble]

I think Gue'la is just human, and Gue've'sa is a human that has sworn allegiance to the greater good.

[half path]

another charm of 40k is the world is so disconnected that you can just pick stories you want to read because of this

but their is a quality check that goes into the books

like gw isnt gonna let one author completely invalidate anothers work
and they are 100% not gonna let them do something like actually rogal dorn was an ork not just an ork he was an ork weirdboy

[tall torrent]

Longlas is all but confirmed

[half path]

i love las weapons

[uncut pebble]

Something about a ryza pattern hellgun...

[half path]

its possible

and id love it

[half path]

we have the overheat mechanic in the game now

and it doesnt use a backpack so doesnt conflict with cosmetics

[tall torrent]

3 have been added to game

3 have not

[terse idol]

Well until they just do a retcon

Like

Ollanius Pius being a perpetual

[half path]

honestly a "retcon" into what machine spirits are could be in the future

[terse idol]

I mean

Erm

[half path]

they seem to be edging towards bringing the dark mechanicum back in an actual capacity

[terse idol]

From guardsmen to perpetual... maybe he was always a perpetual now that I think about it

[half path]

and i feel that will lay bare alot of the questions we have about mechanicus stuff

[uncut pebble]

Chaxe, relic blade, fgs, smaul... unless there's another chaxe mk coming?

Or is that a 2h chaxe?

[terse idol]

Dark mechanicus but they'll be visually distinct

Let's goo

[tall torrent]

Longlas, melta, shock maul
Relic blade, force greatsword, chain greataxe

[uncut pebble]

Ok so it's a 2h chaxe, sick.

Watch, it's gonna be significantly better than eviscerators and not have a target damage cap.

[terse idol]

Ah power creep

My beloved

[tall torrent]

Gale was telling me earlier that the navy breachers’ greataxe could be added as well

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1235835611697643531/1343438442838626304/img-20220912-wa0000719062054387300660.png?ex=67bdeecc&is=67bc9d4c&hm=362c84d69117f679ca2e6d0910e61e360c295854dd72f00fa4cc1026d9870648&

[terse idol]

Rashad 2h

[half path]

im of the opinion most 40k retcons are actually kind of cool and more look at them as us just getting more information about the world (the female custodes one disappointed me, not because of female custodes i think the idea of them is pretty neat. Just gw saying they always existed was kind of cringe. We could have had a sick story about the first female custodes and the hardships she had to go through in this male dominated organisation. But nah we got none of that)

[terse idol]

[uncut pebble]

Big ass fucking rashad would be sick.

[half path]

two handed axes in most games are vibe

i hope the chaxe lives up to it

[uncut pebble]

I hope if we get a normal 2h axe that it just has a looping overhead heavy like you're splitting logs.

[terse idol]

Half of the female astartes stuff I swear was a 4chan sleeper post

Since the one mention by gw was the white dwarf stuff

[half path]

people are gonna hate it regardless cause women

[uncut pebble]

Very simple slightly angled horizontal lights and absolutely destructive overhead loops.

[terse idol]

Truuue

[half path]

but i just wish we got lore with it

I love lore

[terse idol]

And in 40k fandom is kinda oof

[half path]

like cawl has essentially threw what we knew about space marines on its head

so anything is possible i feel

[errant carbon]

I'm of the opinion 40k was peak during 4th edition and the further we stray from it the worse it gets. The new logo they adopted for 8th(?) edition looks like it came from some generic WW2 naval combat mobile game, for example

[half path]

the logo they use doesnt effect my enjoyment in the slightest i look at it for maybe 30 seconds a month

[errant carbon]

It's a small thing on its own but it's an indicator.

[half path]

like seeing most the criticism lodged at space marine 2 being
cadian leader is a women
your squad is an asian and a black guy and not white
made me really

like have these people saw the emperor before

like please i beg you look up a picture of the emperor of mankind

[tall torrent]

this is my fav emperor art

[half path]

gonna say it, not a fan of how white they made him here

[tall torrent]

yea he's supposed to be a bit tan

but the overall vibe of him is like perfect here

[half path]

we got that emperor lore a while back that implies he was judas

and in 40k lore implying the emperor sold out jesus out to the romans is nuts

but ye the emperor was born to a tribe of shamans in what is real world turkey

[mellow cobalt]

gidgod I hate that so much

[mellow cobalt]

meltagun <3

[hollow ibex]

max stress level in darkest dungeon

[mellow cobalt]

i mean dude is prolly pretty stressed

[pallid jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[radiant chasm]

big e was white washed when he became all bones 🥁

[radiant chasm]

there was drama when they gave the imperial guard female models

just how it be with lames

[half path]

me when they tell me the fucking galactic human army of billions of souls would dare have women

really dont get people lol

[radiant chasm]

there is a portion that I found an accurate description for, basically, imagine you are a nerd or geek or whatever and in highschool and you get bullied, or maybe just isolated from your peers. You never had access to a diverse friend group (because yes, all the nerd and gaming hobbies at a scale level have always had women in them). As you grow up, you don't really internalize that.

You see women who are in the hobby now as invaders cause they MUST be the same type of girls who made you feel bad in highschool and thought you were lame

[atomic void]

these guys are tourists lmao
imperium has 1 trillion billion bajillion gazillion morbillion souls living in it they're not gonna be 1 fkn race lmao

[fiery raft]

im sorry wrong sever

[half path]

spongbob would never be wrong

[radiant chasm]

cause it's easier to go "No i wasn't positively socialized as a teen just because I was a nerd, and not because I may have just been toxic, unfriendly, or just not fun to be around"

[half path]

this is the same reason I get so confused about them being so hateful towards gay people, like sir find me a fucking D&D campaign that doesnt have a gay person involved

[radiant chasm]

the nightmare tables of "no tieflings, no halfies, just elves, dwarves and humans. Ask before gnomes and halflings. Female characters have limited class choice"

[uncut pebble]

Tbf, no tieflings is a viable thing, depending on the campaign...

[radiant chasm]

i mean true but like

[uncut pebble]

Can't exactly be a champion of Tyr if you're half hellspawn...

[uncut pebble]

I heard about this guy, they had to find his actual superior officer, who was still alive, to come relieve him, or he wouldn't have left the island he was on.

[radiant chasm]

they are basically prevalent and are more "common" than some other races on the list cough cough dragonborn

[uncut pebble]

Dragonborn should never be played by 95% of people because they don't understand how to roleplay a dragonborn.

[radiant chasm]

well it's basically just like, distance out from being hellspawn, plus some tieflings are like, 2 human parents, it's weird

[uncut pebble]

If you are a dragonborn, you should adopt a haughty, holier than thou attitude, and generally be a dick.

[radiant chasm]

tieflings are humanoid and have the freedom to choose their own path, they aren't infernals or devils

[uncut pebble]

The peasantry doesn't know that.

So like, in universe, they're still gonna see a tiefling and think hellspawn.

[radiant chasm]

yea and that's interesting roleplay if you do it right

you can have a tiefling that wants to be good and goes down that whole paladin route, neverwinter nights 2 touched on tiefling racism a lot, and bg3 does it as well

ultimately your table, your rules but, tieflings are just, kinda there

[surreal gust]

Yeah I played a paladin tiefling once, it was interesting

[radiant chasm]

you can have a village of mostly tieflings that banded together because they didn't fit in anywhere else

[surreal gust]

I mean that’s the cool thing of D&D, you get to see how real people interact with an imaginary setting

[radiant chasm]

i like teasing my DM

so basically aquatic elves right

well, elves evolved/descended from the eladrin of the fey wild

and those elves branched into the many elf subspecies we know today

well, mammals don't exactly evolve gills

if we become aquatic, we still need to breach for air

[surreal gust]

Right, but I get the idea

Just a better lung capacity or smth right

[radiant chasm]

so does that mean A) Elves have some sort of ability to purposefully evolve features you normally couldn't or B) there is an undiscovered aquatic eladrin in the feywild that simply isn't explored

[surreal gust]

Interesting

[radiant chasm]

i gave my half sea elf archeologist a hyperfixation dream of visiting the feywild to explore the seas there

[surreal gust]

Cool

I’d believe either answer really

I’m not very familiar with the feywild myself

[radiant chasm]

going into subspecies on an off week as a table is just fun

[midnight totem]

the hardest challenge in the game

is pub 6 games no deaths

[uncut pebble]

Hardest challenge is pub any auric mael and keep your teammates from going down.

[midnight totem]

that damn contract

I just had to extract from a damnation, moebian 21st smelter by myself

my other vet threw double grenades at empty ground

and my two psykers didn't know how to melee

[radiant chasm]

hardest challenge is speedrunning sedition pubs just to watch the worst players die in ways you didn't know possible

[stoic thorn]

Me watching as a lvl 36 join an auric damnation HISTG baross game

For a guy named Captain he falls faster than a whiteshield in a tyranid invasion

And a psyker that really loves overloading despite being lvl300

[narrow frost]

sorry

that was me

[atomic void]

just carry harder

[potent iris]

some people find the darndest ways to make the game harder for themselves

[faint beacon]

I'll actually sacrifice my firstborn for them to fucking fix silent hounds

Had a really good clutch ruined by one

[thorn lark]

Kickback with surgical is absurdly strong

[uncut pebble]

What about hounds just jumping instead of rearing to pounce or hounds going through solid objects?