veteran-class

[pastel yew]

because fuck veteran ig

[pastel pumice]

Fuck YOU!

[pastel yew]

just like when everyone else got keystones..

and vet didnt

[keen nova]

6 billion weapons types to zealot

[pale pecan]

I want it now

[viral nacelle]

On zealot it’s so good you can run around like mad never giving a shit about stam because it’s back instantly

[pastel yew]

man seeing people justify that like "ha it's good vet gets nothing... over priviledged class... unlike my psyker and zealot who are so hard done by..."

[pastel pumice]

the mod that allows you to do all of that is hilarious

[pale pecan]

I'm ngl though it was a bit of a kick in the nuts to have them make so many weapons cross class and then be like naur to the one cool weapon

[paper trellis]

Is this a mod?

[pale pecan]

Yes

Like ngl my power fantasy for Darktide was a Power Greatsword Veteran

[viral nacelle]

Anyone else tried helbore reaper sniper in h35+?

[pastel yew]

hopefully this means we get a power fist soon™️

[pale pecan]

So having to go do Zealot for that is 🗿

[viral nacelle]

I had a guy come up with a build to do it and it was honestly nasty af

[pastel pumice]

Kira stop drooling

[pastel yew]

I think a few people have from messages in chat

seems fine

[pastel yew]

I can't

god I need it

[pale pecan]

Surgical + Armorbane + Shocktrooper

[pastel pumice]

I'm using the power fist first

[pale pecan]

Just tap a crusher then pop them with your PS

[pastel pumice]

You can have it after

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-cheeseball-cat-gun-wizard-wizard-cat-gun-gif-399075498805113450

so you have chosen death

[pastel pumice]

LMAO

Is that all AI

[viral nacelle]

Yeah the shocktrooper bit is a very big bonus to helbore over plas in high havoc imo

[pastel yew]

no this is real

[pastel pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/iseri-nina-ufc-mma-gbc-girls-band-cry-gif-3999955116289843829

"Use the Shreddar Auto pistol in that guy's H40"

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-man-guy-evil-whisper-gif-16225917572032847521

[pale pecan]

If we get Powerfist that'll be fun for Vet

[pastel yew]

man I want to have enough expendable cash to craft a bis autopistol

what if its sleeper op

[pastel pumice]

that's all ricer

no sleeper

[pastel yew]

;-;

[viral nacelle]

Someone had a goofy crit build with autopistol

[pastel yew]

though yeah power fist or hell rifle are my like... wishlist

santa didn't listen to my letter this year though

this thing would be so cool

[pastel pumice]

I dub thee.

[pastel yew]

steampunk, cowboy

[viral nacelle]

Idk the big thing I’d want for vet is a few more changes to exe stance and a big variant powersword

[pastel pumice]

Vet dual wield sidearms when

[viral nacelle]

Ooooh that’s also good

[pastel yew]

would be a fun buff to the autopistol... literally just double it

x2

[viral nacelle]

A sword + pistol loadout would be dope

[pastel yew]

nah exe stance is already pretty good like

[pastel pumice]

You know how they put 2 bolters together and called it a new gun

just do that

but with shredder

[pastel yew]

it's just VoC is too strong by comparison, and grenade gen being right above it sucks so bad

[viral nacelle]

I’ve seen like one person run it and not having voc was massively more important

[pastel yew]

yeah like.. duallinked or

storm weapons

whatever they're called

[keen nova]

Underbarrel grenade launcher lasgun when obese hammerhead

[pastel yew]

yeah but that's because of how oppressively strong gold toughness is

for a damage boosting ability, exec stance boosts you by a lot

[viral nacelle]

But does nothing for survivability

[keen nova]

If Voice wasn't so important I'd imagine the exe sub-perk that highlights all riflemen enemies would be hugely helpful on Havoc

[viral nacelle]

Which is the bigger issue

[viral nacelle]

I tried it… idk I didn’t think it added value

And not having an instant aoe stagger to btfo crusher/mauler/pox/boss is a VERY big loss for some dps

[keen nova]

VoC really is just an "I win this fight" button

[pastel pumice]

As the Emperor intended.

[keen nova]

PUT THE KARKIN' BOOT IN

[pastel pumice]

Melting my heart with that voiceline

[viral nacelle]

Also like if you need to run thru gas/fire voc makes it happen

[keen nova]

Pox gas too

Oh wait you said

Disregard me and my poor eyes

[viral nacelle]

While exe stance mostly just boosts your overkill

[pastel pumice]

I love exe stance

Decade of gamer skills allow me to insta-flick

[keen nova]

I'd like it more if voice wasn't just objectively the best thing to run

[viral nacelle]

If it had an aoe effect when you booped something

That would be kinda neat

[keen nova]

Just load your weapon with explosive ammo

[viral nacelle]

Or caused your shots to suppress melee

That would be real good

[keen nova]

That little flick you do with lasguns when you pop exe could just be the "off comes the safety mode" that allows you to go full hotshot on their asses

[pastel yew]

I wouldnt agree with that, it makes you kill faster and two of your toughness generators at the top of the tree rely on that

[pastel pumice]

Hotshot

[pastel yew]

so long as you're killing stuff you're okay

it's also a big buff, and basically perma up time

[viral nacelle]

You’re not really taking damage when shooting

[keen nova]

Unless your team is doing a poor job at staying with you

[pastel yew]

idk I'd say you're taking more damage since you're going to be positioned aggressively n getting shot

[viral nacelle]

Or if you are you need to not stand in the open 😂

[keen nova]

Just utilize cover

Shrimple as

[pastel yew]

why utilize cover when you can face tank

[viral nacelle]

Yeah you can’t just sit there eating bursts in high havoc

[pastel yew]

I mean the idea is you kill off everything before they get to you

[keen nova]

Find a nice box to crouch behind and start applying hate to faces

[pastel yew]

I do hope gold toughness gets nerfed

they can adjust the offence of the game after that

[pastel pumice]

Kira shut up

Don't say that

[viral nacelle]

Even with recon las meh

And that thing is nutty

[pastel yew]

nah its too strong it invalidates the other options in most cases

like sure stealth is a full heal for you

[pastel pumice]

Make other paths stronger

[pastel yew]

but gold toughness makes your whole team invuln

and it has basically constant up time as well

[pastel pumice]

We do not talk about nerfing shout

[viral nacelle]

Shout and book could lose gold toughness and they’d still be really good due to stagger effect alone

[keen nova]

If you get shout nerfed I will take a shit in your car's driver seat I swear to Christ

[pastel pumice]

Listen to the passenger princess

They aren't bluffing

[keen nova]

There should be no reason to nerf anything in a PvE game

Only buff other things

[pastel pumice]

Looking at Helldivers 2

[viral nacelle]

End result is auric mael manspam

Where you end up with a screen of literally nothin but enemy meat pixels

And the whole game becomes unreadable mess of mass cleaving

[keen nova]

Just as the God-Emperor intended

[viral nacelle]

Nah I’ll take nerfs over that

[tall torrent]

Nah

Some things do need to get nerfed

[pastel pumice]

yeah he's saying dueling sword

[tall torrent]

Not just duelling sword

[pastel pumice]

he said dueling sword

what else needs nerfing

[viral nacelle]

DS should go back to psyker only we deserve it not the blunts 😂

[keen nova]

Maybe I'll put it back in Psyker

[hollow ibex]

yes move DS back to psyker, and fgs to vet

[pastel pumice]

YEAH

[keen nova]

Directly into his dainty little stomach

[pastel pumice]

I LIKE THAT PLAN

[tall torrent]

Psyker as a whole
Plasma rework
Zealot’s duellist talent
Brutal momentum nerf
Uncanny strike nerf

Would be good for starters

[pastel pumice]

plasma does need a rework

[viral nacelle]

I hit you with my force spank!

[pastel pumice]

brutal and uncanny i can see

[hollow ibex]

don't let #psyker-class see the first one

[keen nova]

I quite enjoy being able to wallbang with plasma

[hollow ibex]

harder daddy

[pastel pumice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209891410426462302/1238422621000044594/togif.gif

[paper trellis]

I just want an equivalent to relic blade on vet

[viral nacelle]

Woah woah woah psyker gets goated damage because the only survivability you have is active 😂

[hollow ibex]

just hold your power sword with 2 hands

[tall torrent]

Scales too well into density
I also don’t think balancing a class fundamentally as “glass cannon” is healthy for the game

Besides psyker rn is not a glass cannon

More like ceramic railgun

[pastel yew]

the problem is if you buff everything else, then everything is op and the game becomes easy

so then you have to make the game harder

which is effectively nerfing everything else

it's just straight up worse than reigning in the problem elements and a lot more work

[tall torrent]

I think cleave damage distribution cap is badly implemented in the game’s current state but it would make a lot of sense for weapons like duelling sword & knife

Not on club / chainaxe / evicerator of all things lol

[keen nova]

If I had a quarter for every time something in a tide game was badly implemented I could buy a house

[pastel yew]

yeah a lot of systems in the game seem

unnecessarily over complicated/

and don't really seem to work all that well a lot of the time

[tall torrent]

Nah more like one big smoke order at McDonald’s

Their bad implementations do not scale into 6 digits lol that’s just horribly exaggerated

[keen nova]

He didn't actually order all that food because he was a fat ass, he ordered all of that because he was stalling for Ballas to show up

[pastel yew]

big smoke.... that bastard

man I wish they'd do a proper remake of that game

why make gta 6 when you can just make modern san andreas

[tall torrent]

But yea I think the cleave damage distribution cap is not done right rn

[keen nova]

He died as he lived

Sitting on his ass doing nothing

[tall torrent]

If it was on duelling sword / knife it’d be 100% understandable

Cap them to like 2 targets lol

[pastel yew]

a lot of the weapons seem just balanced weirdly

[midnight totem]

Brutal was nerfed

[pastel yew]

idk the devs definitely seem to play favourites

brutal was nerfed ages ago, I dont remember what it was like before though

[keen nova]

The autoguns are guilty of this so bad

[midnight totem]

Can't cleave ogryns anymore xD

[tall torrent]

I don’t understand why chainaxe and evicerator of all things need to have cleave damage distribution capped

[keen nova]

There's so much overlap and none of them are really amazing

[pastel yew]

the uhh

columnus? whatever thats called now is pretty good

I've never understood the others though

[tall torrent]

Think about it
You have a giant 2-handed greatsword and it can only damage 4 enemies at a time

[midnight totem]

Buff power sword

[tall torrent]

[pastel yew]

I know the slow fire / high damage gets pen but thats pretty useless

[pastel yew]

too much cleave can become a little problematic though

you dont want people deleting the horde in single swings

[tall torrent]

You can keep minimum cleave damage very low

[pastel yew]

mmh and just remove the cap

thats fair

[tall torrent]

Cleave distribution is what determines how fast u kill hordes

But making it do 0 damage after 4 enemies is just stupid

It would be much more fair for duelling sword / knife

[pastel yew]

a lot of the brutal momentum weapons should definitely be adjusted though

[tall torrent]

Cuz they’re logically not horde clear weapons

[pastel yew]

they're just silly

[tall torrent]

That’s easy

Buff combat axe light attacks’ cleave to 5, nerf BM activation from 3 to 2

[pastel yew]

the game also kinda wrote itself into a corner by having a load of shit blessings to fill out the slot machine

[empty root]

damn i have been meming with recon lasgun but it actually goes hard

[pastel yew]

imagine if we had more guns like the bolt pistol which have like... interesting stuff

[pastel yew]

yeah they mad buffed it

[tall torrent]

The issue with BM is just combat axes

They don’t function properly without BM

[empty root]

ammo useage is problimatic though

[pastel yew]

idk I dont like it on the heavy sword either

heavy sword without also feels significantly worse

[tall torrent]

Heavy sword is playable but obv wrose without it

Combat axe without BM is straight unplayable dogshit

[pastel yew]

I doubt any of this stuff will get changed though

how long has the plasma been absurd?

like

[tall torrent]

Yea I doubt lol

Maybe plasma change will come

Rest I heavily doubt

[pastel yew]

I'm not sure if they just genuinely dont understand their own game, or the helldivers stuff shook em

scared to nerf weapons for risk of backlash

[tall torrent]

It’s not related to Helldivers

They don’t want to repeat the power sword incident lol

So duelling sword is staying cringe basically forever

[pastel yew]

yippee

wahoo

[empty root]

what power sword incident

[tall torrent]

Take away duelling sword and u nerf >90% of the playerbase’s ability to kill crushers

[pastel yew]

power sword used to be insane

it used to have 3 charges base

then got hit down to 1

making power cycler a must take

[empty root]

yea i know it was fucking broken so they obviously nerfed it

how was nerfing it an incident

[pastel yew]

the incident is that they nerfed it in an incredibly dumb way

and a lot of people were unhappy

at the time of it being giga, it was more used than curent ds is

which is wild

[tall torrent]

Game got review bombed

[empty root]

yea the vets who are abusing power sword are unhappy, everyone else is happy

because they are not on an even playing field

[pastel yew]

nah I dont think anyone looking at it was really all that happy

it needed adjusted

but the way they adjusted it meant that you have a weapon that needs an insane amount of grind to even be usable

[empty root]

with dueling sword if they nerf it, they piss off like 90% of the high level meta

[pastel yew]

with t3 blessing being mandatory, and a t4 blessing boosting it an insane degree

[viral nacelle]

Meh I think it works ok. And peril is a pretty good balancer, even really good psykers go boom from time to time

[empty root]

I want to know their reasoning on giving it to vet and zealot in the first place

[viral nacelle]

They could make peril a little tighter if a nerf was needed

[pastel yew]

idk I dont think psyker damage is really all that insane, it's higher than vets but not THAT much higher

I dont get why they keep buffing psyker though

patch after patch

when they were already in a good spot

[empty root]

pysker is still not top tier though

[viral nacelle]

Psyker gets a ton of infinite cleave options that also give you a lot of control

[pastel yew]

gun psyker top 5 build? buff it.

peril management already too forgiving? buff it.

[viral nacelle]

And with good play you can keep your downtime very low

[empty root]

zealot is S tier, vet and psyker are both A tier

[pastel yew]

wild take

zealot is

[empty root]

ogryn is B maybe C tier depending on who you talk to

[tall torrent]

I think the AOE needs to be nerfed at least a little

[pastel yew]

notably weaker than both psyker and vet

not a bad class but

definitely not in the same ball park

[empty root]

zealot is practically immortal if played right

[pastel yew]

yeah but all classes are immortal if played right

[tall torrent]

It’s higher and easier damage

[umbral scaffold]

What stats should i be going for on the Plasma weapon and Power Sword?

[pastel yew]

the difference is zealot is more immortal if played wrong

[keen nova]

Just don't get hit

[empty root]

not as much as zealot

[pastel yew]

but straight damage wise the other classes have it beat

[keen nova]

Instant immortality

[empty root]

like raw damage numbers sure

[viral nacelle]

Ogryn is extremely strong and extremely boring

[pastel yew]

idk gun psyker is the same level of difficulty

voidstrike is harder to use than any vet ranged weapon

[empty root]

pysker has huge damage numbers but is a glass cannon

[viral nacelle]

Disagree

It’s about as easy as plasma

[pastel yew]

its not hitscan

all vet weapons are

[umbral scaffold]

My power sword is

Damage 75
Finese 79
Cleave 69
Mobility 78
Cleave damage 79

Plasma

Damage 74
Ammo 80
Resistance 80
Charge rare 73
Stoping power 73

[viral nacelle]

Ok you do have to aim a little

[hollow ibex]

VS has even fallen off amongst the psyker staves anyway

[viral nacelle]

But it’s not hard to aim

[pastel yew]

nothing in this game is hard to aim

[tall torrent]

Nah, it’s simpler
Psyker unironically has better horde clear than even the best melee horde clear weapon

[pastel yew]

but the voidstrike is harder

[viral nacelle]

Idk shield is really strong

[pastel yew]

psyker CC is pretty degenerate though

smite and trauma

[viral nacelle]

And shield is the only weapon beside trauma that can juggle huge numbers of crusher/rager/mauler

[tall torrent]

Shield is strong horde clear but not top

[pastel yew]

shield is slow but safe

[viral nacelle]

H2 infinite cleave and makes you nearly unkillable by spamming bleed everywhere

[vale wraith]

I feel that one node where it’s up to 100% cleave based on peril is a bit silly tbh

[tall torrent]

I think Psyker’s scaling into density is far too good

[empty root]

ogryn dominates melee against mixed elite hordes but gets dunked by trappers and shooters

[pastel yew]

idk I think vet is giga busted, psyker is too

but psyker damage is just slightly better

and vet everything else is giga

[tall torrent]

Infinite cleave is still blocked by carapace, and shield doesn’t kill groups as fast as Karsolas

[pastel yew]

outside of cc

[viral nacelle]

Hard to get a lot of benefit because passive quell + right side has a LOT of ways to spend down peril

[vale wraith]

Ehhh, if you play Gaze psyker you should be at a somewhat high peril a lot anyway

Whenever there’s a good fight going anyway

[tall torrent]

Psyker’s whole kit is turbo broken lol

[pastel yew]

their abilities are, keystones are mostly okay, auras giga mixed

[vale wraith]

Their keystones are amazing

[pastel yew]

idk I tend to perform way better on vet than I do psyker

[vale wraith]

Only one that sucks is empowered blitz

[pastel yew]

nah empowered blitz is fine

it's just kinda niche

fun with brain rupture

probably all I'd take it on tho

it does make smite do actual damage but

[tall torrent]

Yea cuz you’re more used to veteran’s kit than Psyker’s

[pastel yew]

sorta unneccesary

[tall torrent]

But psyker has by far the best kit of any class it’s just silly

[pastel yew]

true but whenever I'm getting out performed it's not the psykers doing it

it's usually vet

[tall torrent]

In havoc? Or

[pastel yew]

regular play is the only place I might get outperformed, my havoc level still 20s so everyone I'm queued with is trash

or.. mostly

[vale wraith]

Purge staff psykers are so busted that it just make the game not that fun, at least smite still keeps the enemies alive.

[viral nacelle]

Once you grok psyker fully you do become pretty ridiculous

[tall torrent]

Veteran is like

[pastel yew]

yeah purge is sorta silly

[hollow ibex]

tbf it enables the dumbest horde clear in the game soooo even that one isn't too bad

[viral nacelle]

I tend to trivialize even high havoc with trauma tbh

[tall torrent]

1M damage on veteran feels like you barely contributed (but you actually had to do everything)

[pastel yew]

total damage doesnt really feel like a good way of tracking contribution

because most damage is done to chumps and

who cares what damage was dealt to them

[vale wraith]

Mehhh, I’d say the left keystone is still better for smykers, cause you hold it for longer

[viral nacelle]

Smyker is wildly ineffective tbh

You can do so many more useful things with psyker

[pastel yew]

smyker should be redone

the ability is not fun to play around

CC in general is just not enjoyable

[vale wraith]

Yeah, but I’m saying if you’re gonna play smyker the left node is still better than empowered psionics

[tall torrent]

I’ll put it this way
In havoc
1M damage on veteran is actively killing as many priority targets as possible but ultimately not as impactful
600k damage on zealot is a whole lot of dead crushers and melee elites
1M damage on psyker is holding m1 for half the game and contributing more than veteran

[pastel yew]

most of their damage is gonna be against trash though

honestly if they wanna do that

[viral nacelle]

If you want to do shriek spam with peril gen for creeping flames yes. If you want to actually do damage with smite itself no

[pastel yew]

more power to em

[tall torrent]

Nah most is vs melee elites

[pastel yew]

because I dont wanna spend all game fighting garbage

I dont think input effort should be part of the balancing equation really

only really max output

[viral nacelle]

Oh you don’t like left click build

Yeah that’s pretty dumb

[pastel yew]

some people will be drawn more to lower skill classes

doesnt affect me so long as I have something interesting to do and they're not invalidating my role

[tall torrent]

Inferno and Voidblast are both holding m1 for half the game it’s hard not to compare lol

[viral nacelle]

The people with auto-aim and auto fire macros with left click are annoying to everyone

[viral nacelle]

Well, no

Not at all even

If you’re left clicking with purgatus it’s because you need to stagger something

[pastel yew]

remove the stupid m1 spam set ups for real though

those I agree shouldnt be in the game

[viral nacelle]

If you’re left clicking with trauma it’s because you’re shooting at a long range target

[tall torrent]

I mean holding m1 as in letting the fire stream go

[viral nacelle]

Both have much more powerful right click options

[viral nacelle]

Ok well that’s m2

[tall torrent]

You need to right click but use m1 to attack

[viral nacelle]

And you can’t just hold it down due to lack of stagger

[hollow ibex]

shriek + EP = infinite smite anyway

[tall torrent]

It’s not very complicated

[pastel yew]

I mean isn't that just

all play really?

[viral nacelle]

It’s not, and that’s why blaze trauma is way more effective

[pastel yew]

every day I think the lord that the trauma staff is horrendously boring to use

[tall torrent]

Nah veteran is forced to be much more active because u have to actually fight everything at about the same time

[pastel yew]

so I never see it in my games

god bless 🙏

[viral nacelle]

Aiming with trauma is tricky for novices

[pastel yew]

good, make it harder

make it impossible

make it do 0 damage and no stagger

[viral nacelle]

😂

[pastel yew]

I honestly despise that weapon so much

[viral nacelle]

It do be trivializing the game in the hands of an expert

Crusher blobs just perma ass planted

[pastel yew]

partly that but also the fact they're constantly knocking over the shit I'm about to kill

its so annoying

[viral nacelle]

I can snap shot specials before someone with a gun can hit em 😂

With trauma

[pastel yew]

I'm having my own team "get down mr president" the enemy

;-;

[tall torrent]

I think Psyker’s scaling into density is far too good

[hollow ibex]

love it when psykers exclusively trauma the stuff i'm meleeing

and the burster i'm about to push

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-pattinson-lighthouse-screaming-shout-scared-gif-17035752

[crude fiber]

I like trauma with the brittleness blessing and mk13 chainsword

[viral nacelle]

If you low charge trauma a burster it gets pushed back without exploding

[hollow ibex]

good to know, more psykers need to be aware of this lol

[viral nacelle]

Most psykers struggle to play the class

[pastel yew]

most psykers seem to miss and have them go sideways though

[viral nacelle]

And that’s the thing

Psyker is very skill intensive

And has a high skill ceiling

Yes there are some brain dead weapons on it as there are for every class

[crude fiber]

Must be minimum charge or something cause I always kill busters if I hit them in the center of the trauma blast

[viral nacelle]

But if you don’t have movement and melee skills you won’t live long

[latent parcel]

you fix havoc yet?!

[pastel yew]

idk I wouldnt agree for most weapons

a lot of the weapons aim for you

or are aoe

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure it’s still down

[latent parcel]

rip

[pastel yew]

voidstrike sure, since its a projectile you need to acount for speed n such

but even thats not super super bad...

[crude fiber]

Imagine they leave it down over their break

[pastel yew]

it has the zarona, plasmagun log hitbox

[viral nacelle]

The aiming of the staff isn’t the most skill intensive part, it’s making use of all the tools to max effect simultaneously without exploding or being killed

[tall torrent]

It’s bigger

[viral nacelle]

Which is why you see a lot of mid tier psykers constantly on the ground

[pastel yew]

at least on the voidstrike it sort of makes sense to have a big hitbox

the zarona and plasma have no excuse

I mean I guess its just for console players but

mah

[vale wraith]

The Zarona shoots the whole bullet, trust me

Thats why the hit box is like that

[crude fiber]

The whole bullet sideways

[pastel yew]

idk soo long as you have some warp attack you aint gonna die, staying high peril has beenn made easier repeatedly

I mean psyker literally got a like -40% peril gen node recently right?

[latent parcel]

I need you to quit working on ur veteran guide and call up your fatshark employee so i can test the rashad in 40's

[vale wraith]

That sucks ass though

[viral nacelle]

That also nerfs your toughness regen into the ground

[vale wraith]

It absolutely gimps your toughness regen

[viral nacelle]

It’s a very skill intensive node

[tall torrent]

I don’t have contact with fatshark

[latent parcel]

😦

[viral nacelle]

Yes

[tall torrent]

#🚨service-updates message

[pastel yew]

does it matter when you have so much aoe though

they have insane toughness gen

[viral nacelle]

It cuts toughness regen from everything

[pastel yew]

and they got a toughness buff recently

[viral nacelle]

Yes, it does matter

[tall torrent]

Nah

[pastel yew]

idk I've been playing with this on psyker on the handful of games I've played recently and noticed basically no change

[tall torrent]

Only melee kills and talents

[viral nacelle]

What difficulty?

[vale wraith]

It’s not like you need peril gen slow down as well, you kinda want to keep your peril up

[tall torrent]

Coherency regen and blessing gains are unaffected

[pastel yew]

auric damnation and one maelstrom game I think

idk I'm pretty picky about my maelstrom conditions as a lot of them are shit

[vale wraith]

And builds like Gaze psyker have very little peril management

So ehhh

Kinda a mid node

[viral nacelle]

K, that’s still pretty mid tier

[latent parcel]

300k boss dps game with just the rashad. was alota fun!

[tall torrent]

Besides
Havoc35+ all play about the same lol it’s not much different anyway

[pastel yew]

gaze psyker was already insane and got buffed

[pastel yew]

maybe I can coment on this when I get the havoc 40 but from everything I've heard it doesnt sound that much harder

[latent parcel]

all i play is 35+

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s not a “h40 exclusive” thing idk why people only seem to care about h40s when h35 is basically the exact same thing lol

[latent parcel]

ya 35+ is the same as 40 your right

[vale wraith]

Thank you Fatshark, very cool.

[pastel yew]

which havoc rank is the uhh

[viral nacelle]

Gaze doesn’t scale well into the higher difficulty areas of the game

[pastel yew]

damnation diff

[viral nacelle]

It’s fine in maels

[tall torrent]

I don’t think breakpoints even change between 39 and 40

[latent parcel]

i have no idea about breakpoints i just kill

[vale wraith]

Yea Gaze requires a lot more effort to be played in havoc

[tall torrent]

21~30

[vale wraith]

Still ridiculous though

[tall torrent]

1~10 is malice
11~20 is heresy
21~30 is damnation
31~40 is true havoc

[pastel yew]

what changes at 31

[latent parcel]

Emperor's fading light 2

[pastel yew]

mmh

[latent parcel]

makes the game fun as hell

maybe not for a gaze psyker tho

[vale wraith]

If you’re out of position at all your ass just gets shredded by shooters

[pastel yew]

as it always should be

as a point of comparison

[viral nacelle]

Which is fun and I am into it

[pastel yew]

remember the patch shooters got giga buffed?

and everyone had a cry

how does it compare to that

[viral nacelle]

Made auric into easy mode once i grokked it

[tall torrent]

Havoc’s biggest contribution by far is making shotgunners give people ptsd

[viral nacelle]

Oh fuck 😱

[vale wraith]

The dodge on crit thing makes gaze psyker fairly more manageable to play

[viral nacelle]

Backshots that send you straight to the ground

[latent parcel]

you hear that double pump from behind you better dodge

[pastel yew]

good I mean in regular auric they're dog

they have less health than regular gunners and do nothing

[viral nacelle]

Until you have nothing to crit on and get smoked in seconds

[tall torrent]

I hear that shotgun pump sound and I immediately lock in

[viral nacelle]

I couldn’t make it work past low 30s

[vale wraith]

That’s what I mean by fairly

[slow spade]

??? its just pre-nerf shotgunners 😎

[viral nacelle]

I tried using deflector to compensate

But that gimped my damage because I had to give up either riposte or wrath

[vale wraith]

Shotgunners aren’t that bad tbh, or I’ve just been too busy getting destroyed by reapers to notice.

[tall torrent]

I’ve seen a psyker get instantly downed from full health full toughness by a single shotgunner

[viral nacelle]

That’s why I love me a helbore vet in my games

[unreal nova]

@latent parcel Heh. Auric damn?

[viral nacelle]

Yep been there 😂

[latent parcel]

Sure why not

[viral nacelle]

And ima repeat ogryn well played in h40 is absolutely giga awesome

[vale wraith]

I just like having any ranged builds on havoc, fuck shooters and gunners.

[slow spade]

Counterpoint:

[tall torrent]

Ogryn’s skill requirement for success is massively higher in havoc

[viral nacelle]

I want vet to get whatever gun they’ve got

[vale wraith]

Had one ogryn on havoc 40 once, his ass absolutely carried. Which checks out, you have to be somewhat clinically insane to bother playing that class in havoc

[tall torrent]

Longlas 2025 trust

[slow spade]

I know a longlas would be dogshit but that hasn't stopped Fatshark before

[heavy rover]

Longlas next week, trust

[viral nacelle]

I’ve had a few I brought on, they were all super handy

[slow spade]

so they should add it

[tall torrent]

The worst weapon they added recently was Boltpistol at launch and it was still playable

[viral nacelle]

You do have to pretty much focus on spamming shield on top of them tho

[tall torrent]

Longlas can’t be much worse given how havoc encourages shock trooper quite a bit

[slow spade]

there's some stinker weapons still

[vale wraith]

The only really bad weapon is shredder auto pistol

Everything else is perfectly usable

[slow spade]

some weapons are only good because of their blessings

[terse idol]

That is unfortunately the blessing tax

Rashad turns from D tier to S+

With blessings

[slow spade]

I personally think of "potential" new weapons compared to base weapon performance as we wouldn't know what blessings they'd get

[keen nova]

An 8/8 for 1 green and 1 colorless is mad

[slow spade]

as someone who doesn't play MtG, I'd play it

[vale wraith]

That’s kinda just the way game is

And I don’t think that’s a bad thing

[slow spade]

yeah but it's easier to imagine weapons if you look only at base stats

otherwise things get weird

[empty root]

My havoc 40 clear was with an ogryn with power maul

[west bronze]

Where tf is the lfg channel

[keen nova]

Just because I'm curious what everyone thinks, what's the best ranged weapon for Veteran and why?

[empty root]

Plasma gun

[west bronze]

Its such a good shotgun

[empty root]

Click bad things and they go away it defines vets role

[west bronze]

I always feel safe with ut in my hands

#vox-lfg-lexicanum

[heavy rover]

depends on what you're looking for. the go-to ones have typically been the recon lasgun and plasma. I personally like running infantry lasgun

[empty root]

Recon lasgun is very powerful but plasma gun having infinite cleave makes it that much more class defining

[tall torrent]

Outside of havoc, revolver
In havoc, there’re a bunch of good options, depending on your role / preference

Plasma is not infinite cleave

[empty root]

Whatever cleave it has it feels like it's infinite

[tall torrent]

Hipfire is 50 cleave

[empty root]

You can kill trappers and snipers through mixed hordes, recon can't

[heavy rover]

the mk XIV recon has cleave, so it'll be better through mixed hordes

[sleek garden]

outside of shield ogryn in high havocs hes really hard to play

maybe power maul for total control

but you're easy prey for shooters

[solar tiger]

which is why it's so unfun to play lol

[orchid hemlock]

are yall talking about Ogryn?

[dire olive]

Playing Ogryn in Havoc 40 is unfathomably based

[tall atlas]

Hey shooter brothers, what’s the best mark to use on the shovel in y’all’s opinions ? I like the one that doesn’t fold

[orchid hemlock]

[manic cloak]

MK I

[fiery ingot]

All I want for Christmas is a las that's long

[crude fiber]

I got true survivor for the first time with a rando ogryn in havoc 40

[shell python]

when it comes to helbores, what mark do yall prefer?

[arctic rampart]

melta gun, melta gun, melta gun

a little more MELT with A GUN

[empty root]

I used the IV from this build and loved it https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a9d0af2-4b3f-467d-a70e-6f4f8213b1da/veteran-watchmaster

[shell python]

oooh, thanks

[empty root]

The bayonet sucks tho

[hollow ibex]

not the worst gameslantern build i've seen, but definitely drop longshit. don't need rending strikes either.

and it doesn't really make sense to take krak with helbores

[shell python]

to be fair, is the bayonet really the point on a helbore?

[empty root]

It's a sniper rifle

[tough tiger]

Closest we have to one

Until ratlings ever become a thing

[austere mica]

(Never)

[midnight totem]

Today, I finally got my 100 games with nobody down acheivement

[stoic thorn]

Ngl I don't see a sniper rifle working because of how close quarters most maps are

[keen nova]

@viral nacelle Super sorry to bug you, @deep bone would like the build you use for your High Havoc Helbore Lasgun

[deep bone]

😳

[keen nova]

Mister "I don't like the plasma gun"

[midnight totem]

I got to about... 60ish progress of that before I started doing almost exclusively aurics and up after penance rework

[deep bone]

I don’t like the plasma gun

It doesn’t scratch the brain itch

[silent iris]

I could see a Ratling class using a long-las as a class ability.

[queen fox]

How does a plasma gun not hit the dopamine button

[austere mica]

Sadly ratling won’t exist

[keen nova]

Seriously!

The ability to just go "no, fuck off" to gunners is DOPAMINE

[queen fox]

Skitari class when

[austere mica]

Also never

[tall torrent]

Fatshark specifically said no ratlings because of height balance problems

[silent iris]

rip

[queen fox]

No I think we'll get at least one dlc class

And skitari is not very unrealistic

[austere mica]

Skitarii are too high bar as a baseline

If we get something admech related it’s going to be some intern tier tech adept

[viral nacelle]

I will dig it up but be warned that I stole it from a better vet player than me

[queen fox]

There is no such thing as a baseline skitari

[austere mica]

No

[keen nova]

Something I've heard as a fun idea would be a tech adept

[austere mica]

Skitarii themselves

[queen fox]

Every forgeworld has their own patterns of skitari

[austere mica]

Are too high above us

[deep bone]

Astartes Scout

[keen nova]

Appreciate it

[queen fox]

Different implant choices on different worlds

[austere mica]

The defining shared factor between all of the character classes is they commited one of 4 shared crimes

[hybrid orbit]

Could someone help me grind this auric title? :/

[austere mica]

And last I checked skitarii were almost incapable of acting against their masters

[queen fox]

I'm saying it would be a dlc character, and could have it's own intro cutscene about tech heresy accusations and maybe hadron saves you idk

[elder fiber]

If skitari somehow commits a crime they're dismantled for parts

[austere mica]

They also wouldn’t go through the normal judiciary system

[silent iris]

A 5th crime could simply be "Theft"-would fit a budding Heretek.

They 'borrowed' some things

[queen fox]

Look, they can come up with an excuse to give you a skitari class, it really isn't that unrealistic for skitari to serve in an inquisitors warband and since it's a dlc character it doesn't need to share the exact same intro

[austere mica]

I still think skitarii isn’t how they would do admech

They are just soldiers

Sure with weird guns and fun implants

But they are just soldiers

[queen fox]

So is the veteran

[austere mica]

The veteran is John Soldier

We already have him

Skitarii wouldn’t do much apart from that besides class exclusive weaponry

[halcyon blaze]

Is it the bane of every Vet player to have everyone else suddenly shoot the Mauler you have just stuck with a Krak grendade?

[queen fox]

Skitari will be Soldier 76395-delta-4-0

[austere mica]

Tech adept is super flexible as far as 3 branches of tree go and would fit our current origin

[midnight totem]

To be fair

[vale wraith]

If they can gun them down you shouldn’t have naded them tbh

[halcyon blaze]

Flashy grenade shiny

[midnight totem]

We instagib every gunner a psyker is brain bursting

Turnabout is fair play

[halcyon blaze]

I try not to, I know how annoying it is when I'm playing psyker.

[pseudo fiber]

I mean you can also shoot the mauler in the chest where it had flak armour

[halcyon blaze]

The penance specifically requires it and I have my build to replenish grenades myself.

[vale wraith]

Which penance is that?

[midnight totem]

Armorbane

[halcyon blaze]

My problem is when there's 3 why do they shoot the one that's flashing

[midnight totem]

Because it's usually in the lead

[vale wraith]

Tbf, there’s a LOT of shit that flashes in horde events

Visual clutter does make it difficult to see stuff

[midnight totem]

I prefer to use kraks on bulwarks

[halcyon blaze]

I try and hit the mauler in the back for that reason, but the last game I played it's like the other vet specifically targetted the one I'm going for.

[midnight totem]

And, if you do want to spike a crusher or mauler

Try running into them after you've stuck the krak

It's risky, but it forces them to bunch up trying to hit you

Easy multikill

[halcyon blaze]

Ah, good tip, yeah it's nice when you get multiples.

[manic cloak]

I wouldn't use Kraks on Maulers unless you have no anti-Carapace in your weapon setup or you happen to be farming the penance for it and are getting a low spawn rate of Bulwarks.

[halcyon blaze]

That's my point, I am farming for the penance.

I wouldn't do it otherwise.

[viral nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dda4e7b-4f65-4efb-9187-85d327e955f9/helbore-havoc-40 ok, had to copy it off my vet but here it is in build editor

some of the choices seem weird to me just looking at it but i had zero complaints about the performacne

[midnight totem]

I wiped out an entire patrol like that once. Bodyblocked them at the top of the stairs. 2 kraks

12 maulers, 4 crushers dead

[viral nacelle]

i stole it off him with inspect key because thats how i roll when im impressed with how someone did LOL

[halcyon blaze]

noice

[viral nacelle]

@deep bone

[hollow ibex]

i do that sometimes

[deep bone]

Thank you

[hollow ibex]

and i see they were using shit weapons and a shit build

and then i'm even more impressed lol

[midnight totem]

Hrm, wierd tree build

Well no, not that wierd, I see what he's doing

[manic cloak]

Stacking unyielding damage at the cost of everything else.

[midnight totem]

Slaughterer over bm to keep up meaty horde clear

[viral nacelle]

thats what i told him to do!

i wanted boss and reaper deletion on demand and he delivered

[vale wraith]

I see this man fucking hates monstrosities

[manic cloak]

BM is more efficient for horde clear.

[midnight totem]

Extra powerful kraks to burn down bosses or extra health havoc ogryns

[viral nacelle]

we had a trauma psyker (me), a book bitch and a tauntgryn

so we were weak on long range deletion of heavy stuff

that build solved the problem perfectly

[midnight totem]

That helbore 3 should delete ranged things steadily

Maybe not quickly, but steadily

I personally swap armorbane for infernus on mine

My havoc helbore 2

[vale wraith]

Wouldn’t armorbane just be better

[viral nacelle]

i just think its important to remember that havoc is a wow raid style thing

[vale wraith]

Helbore doesn’t really fire fast enough to keep consistent infernus stacks

Well maybe not that bad

[midnight totem]

Might be! I'd have to test it, but it worked for me against pus hardened

[vale wraith]

But sure as shit not efficient as ILG or Recon

Ah pus hardened

That’s fair

[midnight totem]

I went ammo positive in a havoc 33

Always shooting

[vale wraith]

Shock Trooper is a funny node

[midnight totem]

One of my teammates actually asked me if I never ran out of ammo

I told him the truth. I was still at full near the finale

[tall torrent]

Helbore’s ADMs are very weird

Armourbane kind of doesn’t do as much as u think

[vale wraith]

ADMs?

Not familiar with that term

[tall torrent]

Armor damage modifiers

[vale wraith]

Ah

In what way are they weird then?

[tall torrent]

Basically

If a weapon has high natural ADM against a specific Armor type

Rending/brittleness does less for that weapon against that armor type

Helbore’s weird case is that its ADMs fluctuate based on range

[hearty panther]

i think armorbane works best up close, yeah

[tall torrent]

In a very weird way

[hearty panther]

but also charge value matters, i think?

helbore is one of those guns where i dont want to know too much because its a black box

[tall torrent]

And armourbane realistically doesn’t change your breakpoints against most enemies

You still 1 shot the same enemies and 2 shot the same enemies

[vale wraith]

Ah right

[midnight totem]

Interesting

[vale wraith]

So ig weight of fire is just a better blessing for it then

[hearty panther]

tbh my issue with helbore is that there's only really the one good Blessing for me (Surgical) and all the rest are too inconsistent as someone who almost never puts the gun away and uses the bayonet

[midnight totem]

Hotshot is nice too

[hearty panther]

weight of fire drops off as soon as you switch in or out of ADS

[midnight totem]

Works with bayonet

[hearty panther]

Hotshot is a gimmick that does more for your melee than the actual gun lol

[midnight totem]

But it's funny

[vale wraith]

I usually rock it with exec stance so it helps when I run it

[hearty panther]

Infernus is still mostly pointless and im not brave enough to take the thing into high havocs anyway

wish it had deadly accurate tbh

[midnight totem]

That'd be best in slot, heh

[vale wraith]

Feel like that could be cool, if a tiny bit over tuned. Don’t know enough about break points and that though to really say for certain

[midnight totem]

But yeah, the first vet build I used in high havoc was, strike down shovel mk3, and helbore 2

And a putload of frags

[hearty panther]

there's just too many blessings that presume you will be doing follow-up shots

but the helbores hit so goddamn hard that ... no actually you dont need follow ups

not on most targets that matter

like no respite is just hanging out in the blessing pool for reasons

and tbf weight of fire is still good if you are really just hardscoping the weapon and then putting it away

but that aint how i play it

i get maybe two or three stacks of it at a time

[vale wraith]

I need to experiment with Helbore in more builds

[vale wraith]

I tend to just slot weapons with combat abilities and don’t experiment with them much after that

[midnight totem]

No respite is just memes for bayonet charges tbh

Nothing like hitting shout, staggering the enemy

Then stabbing in the face

[vale wraith]

I’d probably drop longshot then take redirect fire or toughness on kill nodes for the keystone

It’s pretty bad

[midnight totem]

It's a flex node yeah

I'd even drop it to pick up twined blast

Because, let's face it

You're going to be throwing enough frags

[unreal nova]

Chance to clear with 1 'nade funni.

[midnight totem]

Krieg life

[keen nova]

Tried the Helbore build out myself, I don't think it's for me

It's plenty serviceable but I don't feel like the rifle puts out enough damage to take it over like a plasma

[mellow solstice]

Jesus christ this make every shot count penance xD

[keen nova]

The finish a mission with no ammo and 90% accuracy penance, right?

[mellow solstice]

Yeah.

[keen nova]

Unironically go plasma gun

[mellow solstice]

I'm tearing my hear out.

[keen nova]

Make your shots count and don't pick up ammo

[mellow solstice]

Imma do it

[keen nova]

It's how I did it

[mellow solstice]

IMMA DO IT I SWEAR

Imma try again

[keen nova]

Make sure you don't have scavenger

And just go plasma

[mellow solstice]

Yeah I'm just basically middle right tree.

[keen nova]

Bolter and bolt pistol could also work

Basically you want accurate guns with little ammo

[mellow solstice]

The urge to help the team but then the team kills it before I do.

I can't even tell what my accuracy is cause I'm not sure if I hitor not

[keen nova]

Just pay attention and only engage targets you know you can hit

I got lucky and got to waste most of my ammo on back to back beasts of nurgle when I did it

[oblique totem]

Hey, Vet mains. How's the war?

[keen nova]

It would be better if Dukane would fix her fucking table!

:[

[oblique totem]

Hurry it up, Dukane

[unreal nova]

Hamsters need feeding, I think.

[full nacelle]

evening fellow veterans

[oblique totem]

Again? Every other day with those things.

[supple stag]

I had some Taxe Infiltrate fun

silly little weapon

[oblique totem]

With the axe?

I suppose that works

[unreal nova]

Poor lil things though, working overtime to deal with the load but not loved enough.

[oblique totem]

I love them

You know, as much as I can love anything

[supple stag]

Mk VII Tac Axe is fun

I like it

My hand hurts after a game of it, but I had fun

[unreal nova]

They do their best, mhm.

[stoic thorn]

While I grind for money in auric heresy god damn my psword and boltgun combo go hard

But ngl

I wanna go psword plasma

But VoC is great but I need my vetovision for plasma

[oblique totem]

Exec stance plus plasma gun is the secret sniper build

[stoic thorn]

Facts

VoC with Boltgun or Vetovision with Plasma

Oh my goodness....

Vetovision with boltgun

[oblique totem]

It's possible now

But I can't get over infinite cleave

[stoic thorn]

Exe stance with Plasma is goated

Kills everything

Except bulwarks

And bosses

My plasma is a terrible boss gun

How's Psword in the boss department

[mellow solstice]

I hate it but every time I feel like I'm not hitting above that 90% accuracy I give my team a bot xD

[oblique totem]

Accept no failure. I respect it.

[sullen jackal]

helbore is a mediocre ranged weapon except for the bayonet

[oblique totem]

Better as a melee weapon than a ranged weapon.
Change your mind.

[keen nova]

Go go gadget asshole outliner

[stoic thorn]

Truth

[mellow solstice]

Son of a bitch.

I thought I was good.

I missed too much

ffoook

[tall torrent]

U could try the double barrelled shotgun

[mellow solstice]

I been trying revolver, bg, plasma, shotgun

[tall torrent]

As long as a single pellet hits an alive enemy it counts as a hit

[mellow solstice]

I just need to chill and be a dick xD

Why this penance make me have to be a non-team player D:

Hope it counts if I join in progress xD

[slow spade]

Just don't miss? Ez fix

[terse idol]

Brotherr

Just take your time

Its 90% you can miss shots you just have to make them up later

[crude fiber]

Double barrel or lawbringer special shell spam

[orchid hemlock]

what is going on with pubs recently?

all 15 games today where like this

[tall torrent]

lots of new players

[vital wren]

You're KSing them

😄

[hearty panther]

maelstrom just now was uh

funny, i guess?

like first wave of poxbursters i get blow'd up cause the vet threw a grenade into the horde and i couldnt get out before it popped

and i shrugged that off as an oopsie, but no, the dude would throw grenades at every poxburster wave, and then WALK TOWARDS THE WAVE

[vital wren]

lol

[hearty panther]

the ogryn had zero idea how to deal with any of them and would walk straight at a poxburster on the ground to melee it

this is aurics rn

we still won

but when the burster waves spawned i would dip as fast as i fucken could away from the team

maybe screaming irl

[vital wren]

Haha I've definitely had those groups where I just run from my party when I hear bursters.

[hearty panther]

what else can you do

gotta hide and break line of sight

[vital wren]

kudos on still winning

[hearty panther]

its a war

every man for themselves

[orchid hemlock]

i tried aurics and it was worst

u know what

im just going o play gunlugger

take all the ammo

and just wipe everything

[hearty panther]

all the REALLY good players are chasing the havoc dragon and cant get their fix so

they just arent playing lmao

[orchid hemlock]

this is insane

[hearty panther]

im not quite that enamoured with havoc

[orchid hemlock]

PUBS has never been this bad

[hearty panther]

yea they have

theyve been much worse too

[orchid hemlock]

i refuse

[hearty panther]

but never at this level i suppose, since some still feel motivated to get through maelstroms and shit for havoc access (if you dont have it already you wouldn't know its broken anyway)

[vapid nacelle]

shoutout to "Sorry, your mission was aborted by an unexpected error.". Gotta be one of my favorite genders

[hearty panther]

i miss when the game launched tbh

bunch of bozos like me jumping into damnation at the first opportunity

winning our first one with four level 20s

on the initial shitty talent select too

[last pewter]

I miss the rage when psword first got nerfed

people were literally going like NOOOO HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO MELEE NOOOW

[hearty panther]

game is now unplayable without eighteen powered swings

[empty root]

Lol vets could cleave down hordes of crushers in seconds

[hearty panther]

yea and you maybe saw one 'horde' of them an entire match

usually it was just one poor crusher stumbling up and getting instantly deleted

[viral nacelle]

martyrdom vet

auric, so he had a full set of wound curios

and, uh, he used em

[empty root]

Lol

I had a game where a guy would die in like 10 seconds and I kept trying to vote kick him

He did like 10k damage by the end

[viral nacelle]

i just let them stick around, it doesnt matter really

he eventually left of his own accord because he wasnt getting to play at all

[empty root]

It does though if they use resources poorly

I would rather play with bots

At least they pick you up occasionally

I don't mind a carry here and there but your ammo and medicade needs go up when you are playing your ass off and these dead weights go around slurping up everything and dying

Team wiping while someone holding a medpack is a gigantic pet peeve of mine

[viral nacelle]

meh i can carry a team with a dud or two

three in an auric is too many tho

[pastel pumice]

Carry my skinny ass through auric maelstrom

Just messing...

[empty root]

The best is when you get attitude from bad players

[pastel pumice]

Though it's really funny reading personal experiences from those who attempted the ASS title

Had a player run off on his own

Then complained when he went down, "you guys are slow"

[empty root]

I can't even imagine trying to get ASS title right now

[viral nacelle]

most of the ass havers used the mighty power of ALT-F4 to get it

[empty root]

With the state of auric pubs

[viral nacelle]

so i have zero respect for ass tags

[pastel pumice]

Not worth until OverweightCod can fix their servers

Nah I'm a man, I commit

I'm either deep in

[unreal nova]

Better off trusting the lvl '30' with reject title in reject clothes.

[pastel pumice]

Or I don't try at all

[empty root]

Whatever, havoc forged exists now and you can really fudge your way to havoc 40

Ass is obsolete

[viral nacelle]

i tend to prefer true survivor to havoc forged

it took a few more attempts

[pastel pumice]

I'm aiming for Havoc Exemplar

[empty root]

You can do true survivor with people getting straight killed

[pastel pumice]

Sounds so fucking dope

[viral nacelle]

you can but if youre getting people 1hk you're likely also getting downs

so like it can happen but im doubtful it happens often

[pastel pumice]

My Havoc 40 clearance level is a title enough, so I'll basically be rocking 2 titles at once when I get Exemplar

[empty root]

I was frustrated by the title, it's a test of patience imo. I have done several 35+ havoc without being downed but of course the psyker or vet always drops once

You just need to find a stellar group and keep playing til it happens

I mean I am frustrated not I was. Don't have it yet.

[viral nacelle]

i played very careful with book zealot and focused on keeping the psyker up and protected

the other two zealots did their role front lining

so i spent most of the match watching rear and ignoring front

thats how i got ts

it was also an explicit "we are going for TS" run

which imo if thats what you want to get when youre hosting you should tell people because i am not personally playing at that level every time i do high havoc

[empty root]

I have only done 35+ on zealot, I admit I rely on until death and holy revenant to stay alive

[viral nacelle]

i dont think either is needed

i didnt use them on TS run and dont run it basically ever

[empty root]

Just don't get hit bro lol

[viral nacelle]

yeah i mean thats the idea

[empty root]

It saves you from a fatal mistake every 2 minutes

[viral nacelle]

i also take two cooldown nodes to spam book way harder

[tall torrent]

Go for poxbreaker

[viral nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9dda864a-e3a0-48d3-a3cb-7f3b4ee1145b

thats my book zealot build

[empty root]

What is havoc exemplar

[tall torrent]

100 havoc assists

[viral nacelle]

im like 1 away LOL

[wary gate]

Is there a Weapon Specialist build that works well with the Helbore?
I would like to have two melee weapons

[viral nacelle]

idk, i guess my pov is you can tell the situations where youre likely to screw up so dont go into them. which is why i tend to not duel crusher groups anymore and just block + ping if its more than three ragers and theyve got the jump on me

[austere mica]

No

[tall torrent]

No, weapon specialist doesn’t work with Helbore

[austere mica]

helbore draws insanely slow and is a massive antisynergy with it

[wary gate]

That makes me sad
Thanks anyway

[viral nacelle]

why?

its a sniper rifle

itd be weird if it worked well on the run and gun side of the tree

it has a ton of synergy with middle with some dips in right

[tall torrent]

It’s entirely due to how WS is coded

For some reason it’s coded as “kills made with melee/ranged weapon in hand” instead of “melee/ranged attack kill”

[austere mica]

Probably because of how the stacks trigger

[tall torrent]

It’s literally coded to not work with Helbore lmao

[pastel pumice]

POXBREAKER? Good idea man @tall torrent

[empty root]

You do see the logic though. Until death actually let's you make mistakes that would otherwise down you and potentially end a run

[viral nacelle]

sure, but its better imo to book spam so hard you dont get into those situations

[empty root]

True but I never found a situation where I didn't have a book when needed

[tall torrent]

Yea have fun grinding

[empty root]

I can't see your build but I'm assuming you mean the cdr on backstabs?

[pastel pumice]

Bro...

I'm not even 1/3 of the way

I got the game like 3 months ago

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s the biggest grind in the game basically

But it’s the coolest sounding title imo

[pastel pumice]

They need more titles

Sunbreaker

[empty root]

Yea I see the logic that if you don't need until death then having more cool down reduction will keep the team alive better

[pastel pumice]

Just

Chad

[empty root]

But if you need it you need it

[viral nacelle]

keep in mind that every non zealot class does just fine without an immortality node

[tall torrent]

this sounds like heresy

[empty root]

Not in the 35+ havoc games I have played

They always go down once

[viral nacelle]

you know your job as book is to keep them up with gold toughness right?

[empty root]

Yea and I just stated that if you read a few messages up

[viral nacelle]

okie

well, i cant make you drink

good luck in your journey!

[tall torrent]

There’s a really cool name for a blue rarity frame called “Hammer of Traitors”

[empty root]

How do you get frequent backstabbing with a non stealth build

[viral nacelle]

careful positioning

[pastel pumice]

@tall torrent Oh yeah some of these frames need to be turned into titles

[viral nacelle]

i also like bringing a tauntgryn when one is available

theyre good for a TON of book

[placid portal]

Backstab sfx should be tf2 crit sfx

[hearty panther]

heylistennavi.wav

[placid portal]

Elite special multikill sfx should be domination.sfx

[half lintel]

knife punch and then skate around behind them for more backstabbery

[unreal nova]

Wut? I only know Dawnbreaker.

[gleaming turtle]

Should I touch that? <--- (Clueless)

[midnight totem]

I can help you get it, same for you @pastel pumice

[pastel pumice]

Some other time

Tonight's not ideal