veteran-class

[cedar imp]

Boltgun, Colomnus, Bolt pistol ( MY BELOVED), revolver, plasma gun good but boring to me

[tall torrent]

Cuz I just don’t think shredders are worth taking if u weren’t taking survivalist in the first place
And survivalist is only really worth for maybe 5 guns on veteran?

[slow spade]

part of why Vet is one of the best melee classes

[faint beacon]

Vigilant Rifles…

[tall torrent]

Boltgun yes
Vraks V no
Boltpistol yes
Revolver no
Plasma gun maybe

[cedar imp]

I always take survivalist with shredder

[tall torrent]

Well, u just don’t need survivalist for 2 of those 5 guns u mentioned

[slow spade]

it always surprises me how ammo hungry bolt pistol is

I keep thinking "88 shots?" I'm good

[tall torrent]

Outside of C-I-VI maelstrom there’s no scenario where survivalist outperforms agile engagement pathing for revolver

[slow spade]

then boom my ammo is yellow

[cedar imp]

its extremely reliant on crit and extra damage for one shots 😦

[slow spade]

yeah :c

[tall torrent]

Very reliant on extra damage yes
Very reliant on crits no

[cedar imp]

Ill press X to doubt

[slow spade]

I'm using the Surgical + Deadly Accurate combo

[cedar imp]

But willing to see another way

[slow spade]

so I'm pretty crit reliant

[tall torrent]

Did u know that lethal proximity buffs all explosion radius

[slow spade]

without it being wielded (I know it gives a buff icon but Fatshark moment)

[cedar imp]

Yes but how it helps to snipe a specialist and make sure its one shotted?

[tall torrent]

Which specialist

Flamer?

[tall torrent]

+25% maniac, one headshot

[faint beacon]

Throw that fucking grenade half way across the map

[tall torrent]

It’s easy

[faint beacon]

That’s what I do lmao

[cedar imp]

My boltpistol settup

[tall torrent]

This is missing breakpoints

[cedar imp]

because of what?

[tall torrent]

You can’t one tap Dreg gunner without crit / high stack focus tag

[cedar imp]

Thats why I do tag it

[tall torrent]

High as in >2

[cedar imp]

fair enough

[tall torrent]

Remember that minimum refresh mechanic

Yea this is the part that it comes into play

[slow spade]

I get the damage upgrade

[tall torrent]

Read my guide
I can promise u, u will learn a lot of things u never thought about

[slow spade]

+7.5% damage should compensate

[tall torrent]

It’s only like 100 pages

U can even search specific words up

[cedar imp]

Veteran guide PDF?

[tall torrent]

One drive link

PDF is outdated

https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

This one

[hollow ibex]

honestly maybe you should just delete the PDF now, if you can delete it without deleting the message lol

[umbral garnet]

Who needs a guide when one can simply be GOATed

[tall torrent]

I can’t

[hollow ibex]

oh :/

[tall torrent]

Wait I can

On pc

Ok done

[hollow ibex]

nice

[grand perch]

and thus the next generation shall never find the documents of the ancients again

[cedar imp]

Watch me taking fire team +5% for Bolt pistol breakpoints

[tall torrent]

It unironically helps

Which is the worst part

[cedar imp]

lmao

[tall torrent]

If Boltpistol had like

5~8% more damage

It’d be so much better

[cedar imp]

Bolt pistol buff when?

🙂

[grand perch]

most poeple i see already use it over revolver

so the question would be if it needs to be better

[hollow ibex]

nah revolver is just straight up better

but revolver is boring

(except the agrivolver)

[tall torrent]

Zarona revolver is the strongest and most boring gun on veteran

[cedar imp]

Its ammo economy is much more forgiving and reload time and capacity is better

[cedar imp]

Stronger than plasma gun even?

[tall torrent]

Yea, plasma is like 4th or 5th strongest

But plasma is the hardest weapon to perfect roll in the game

So I don’t recommend it

[cedar imp]

Nani

[tall torrent]

Plasma also needs very specific talents to hit breakpoints

[cedar imp]

But when its done tho

[weary acorn]

is there an alternative blessing on recon las gun if i wanted to repalce infernus?

[cedar imp]

Like I just feels like the most OP thing in this game lmao

[tall torrent]

When you have access to those breakpoints, it’s 4th~5th strongest gun for veteran

[slow spade]

the problem with plasma is it takes 0.6s to fire

[tall torrent]

Dum dum + Deathspitter

[slow spade]

other guns would just fire

[cedar imp]

Hammer of the Emperor's tier list when? /jk

[tall torrent]

I can give u top 5 ranged weapons for vet rn

[cedar imp]

lets gooooooooo

[grand perch]

nnonono

you gotta do it in a 20 - 40 minute video, slooooowly milking it for all its worth

[tall torrent]

Zarona revolver
Vraks V
Recon XII
Boltgun / plasma (4th ~ 5th)

[cedar imp]

Recon XII? 😳

[slow spade]

got giga-buffed

[cedar imp]

Oh noes

[slow spade]

recon is super strong now

[cedar imp]

Is it the brown automatic lasgun?

[slow spade]

but they have superbuffed recon to then immediately dumpster it next patch

[tall torrent]

Highest sustained dps in the game, hold m1 the entire game and not run out of ammo

[tall torrent]

Blue is XII

[grand perch]

time to nerf it into unusability again

[tall torrent]

Downside is you spec your entire talent tree for recon specifically and can’t afford most melee weapons

[cedar imp]

Man I tried it, I didnt quite like it but maybe it could be build related, didnt know much how to make it purely effective

[tall torrent]

Take rending

[cedar imp]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

STAP

ITS TIME TO STOP

[tall torrent]

Rending is not as bad as tanner says (well yea cuz he’s wrong lmao), but also not as good as redditors say

Again, u should read my guide

It’s a very weapon-dependent thing

[dry pivot]

What are the best blessings on the mg xii lasgun?

[cedar imp]

Tried it myself it does like what around 10% more dmg or so?

[tall torrent]

Which weapon

[cedar imp]

Colomnus on mauler torso

Wanted to try something

[tall torrent]

Vraks V has 0.9 flak ADM at close range

+10% rending moves it to 1.0 flak ADM

[cedar imp]

Ive got told somehow rending had something to do with being good to counterack damage falloff

[tall torrent]

So seeing a +10% damage is about right

[dry pivot]

got no idea lol, there are no clear standouts

[tall torrent]

Yes

But like

You could just

Look at the guide

And save urself from asking all these questions

[cedar imp]

lmao

[orchid hemlock]

no it's just that it has been a debated topic for the past 2 months

[dry pivot]

Ghost maybe? Survivability is pretty nice

[tall torrent]

Opening salvo + ghost for IX infantry lasgun
Unfortunately it’s the worst of the three

It’s just shy of like 25% damage to meet 1 tap breakpoints

And needs exe stance to 1 tap

[dry pivot]

Not IX, XII

[tall torrent]

Opening salvo is not good for infantry lasguns, but it helps with 1 taps

[orchid hemlock]

recon?

[tall torrent]

Are you talking about infantry lasguns or recon lasguns

[dry pivot]

The heavy lasgun, the one that oneshots shooters to the body

[tall torrent]

Because you said MG XII

[dry pivot]

Infantry yeah

[tall torrent]

Which is renamed to Mk IX now

[dry pivot]

Omg it is

That's how you know I've been playing since launch lol

[tall torrent]

And it’s not good now

Can’t bodyshot shooters

[dry pivot]

I thought it could

[tall torrent]

Used to

Can’t now

[dry pivot]

I played with someone who used the recon lasgun and it seemed really good

[tall torrent]

It’s strong, I don’t like it tho

[dry pivot]

I used to play with the bolter a lot

It feels not so great now, maybe I need that reload speed talent

[radiant chasm]

not really, besdies just bosoting your damage

[rugged night]

Does Rending Strike only effect melee as it says all weapons?

[cedar imp]

Also does for ranged one's

[tall torrent]

All damage

[rugged night]

Oh great to know, thanks

[tall torrent]

It’s a self-buff

[slow spade]

rending also affects grenades

a small thing but can't argue with more damage

[slow spade]

Ironic as this is the strongest bolter has been for a very long time lol

[dry pivot]

The commissar hat is so fancy

[slow spade]

yeah they did a good job with the commissar outfit

[dry pivot]

Peak fashion

[slow spade]

you can feel the outfit spamming E for execute UwU

[muted rapids]

Anyone know decent curio perks for Vet? i'm running toughness, damage resist gunners and toughness regen

[tall torrent]

200 health, 20% sniper resist
Everything else up to u

Doesn’t matter how u get to >200 health

[slow spade]

I would run stam regen over toughness regen

Toughness > hp

I'll die on this hill

[muted rapids]

someone told me that toughness regen is ass

[tall torrent]

Toughness regen is bad, don’t use it

Because it is

[slow spade]

it is

it turns off when in melee

[hollow ibex]

toughness regen is good on ogryn imo, but that's about it

[orchid hemlock]

Ogryn players be like:

[muted rapids]

oh good, i have 90% on my ogryn

[tall torrent]

On ogryn it’s debatable

It’s still not good

[hollow ibex]

i find it very useful on ogryn

[tall torrent]

It still turns off in melee combat

[slow spade]

Ogryn is better off with the Heavy attack for toughness nodes

[tall torrent]

Only helps when you’re staying with ur team and getting shot from afar (not engaged in melee)

[muted rapids]

So 5% toughness, 5% health, 12% stam regen? i like to minmax

[slow spade]

coherency regen is a drop in the bucket in comparison

[hollow ibex]

i had my doubts too.

[tall torrent]

On veteran, min-max is >200 health and 20% sniper resist

Everything else is up to u

[muted rapids]

I never get hit by snipers

[hollow ibex]

but i tried it because ogrynomicon recommended it, and i quite like it

[slow spade]

the 200 hp breakpoint is to survive bursters and snipers

[muted rapids]

I play 3rd person so the lasers are stupid easy to dodge

[slow spade]

if you're ok with that, you can get Sprint efficiency

[tall torrent]

Gunner resist, extra toughness, extra health, sprint efficiency, stamina regen rate
None of them are bad choices

[slow spade]

which heavily boosts your stamina efficiency

[slow spade]

the Emperor guides your eyes UwU

[tall torrent]

But you very specifically want >200 health and 20% sniper resist

[slow spade]

fuck snipers

[tall torrent]

It’s not hard to build for

[hollow ibex]

third person darktide sounds heretical

[muted rapids]

It's incredible

[slow spade]

you should have seen it pre-Patch 12

[muted rapids]

i'll never go back

[slow spade]

Psykers used to have infinite dodges on force swords

so you could dodge your way across the map

it was genuine cheating in my eyes

[tall torrent]

Some people like it

[muted rapids]

Don't psykers have an infinite lightning bug right now?

[tall torrent]

Not a bug

[muted rapids]

with no overloading?

[slow spade]

fixed months ago

its more like 10 seconds of lightning now

[muted rapids]

that feels like cheating though, they can perma stunlock

[slow spade]

which is still insane

[tall torrent]

If ur talking about never-ending smite cast, it’s not a bug

They can genuinely build for that now

[muted rapids]

Nah they had 100% overload and never exploded

just permanent lightning

[hollow ibex]

yea, heretics

[slow spade]

oh shit

news to me

[slow spade]

I know Gaze builds can avoid exploding but wasn't aware of insane it can get lol

[tame lodge]

Scrier's Gaze Warp unbound

[tame lodge]

It's a feature

[tall torrent]

Empyric resolve x60% peril generation
Battle meditation -10% peril on kill (10% chance)
Empowered psyonics

[slow spade]

oh I thought it'd be a multiplicative reduction

lol nice

[tall torrent]

It is multiplicative reduction

[slow spade]

oh I see now

[tall torrent]

It’s x0.6

[tame lodge]

2600 carapace damage
Kills bulwarks

[slow spade]

battle Meditation

[slow spade]

yeah I missed battle meditation

I understand now

that is pretty bullshit

I bet if I posted that to a Zealot, I'd get called at least 3 slurs

[tame lodge]

Yeah just remember that enemies that are too close won't get zapped

[tall torrent]

Meow and I played a train mission where I held smite at the end and killed 30 elites back to back to back while they fought the boss

[slow spade]

oh fuck Smite with damage

Fatshark what are you cooking

[tall torrent]

Soulblaze + enfeeble + empowered smite

[slow spade]

I thought the machine gun M1 staffs were bad

[tall torrent]

[tall torrent]

Yea, they’re worse

Most cringe playstyle in the game

Idrc about EP smite as much

It’s boring but strong

But m1 staff is just

Ridiculous

[gilded wraith]

Some weird stuff made it through the psyker beta testing for the tree change.

[tall torrent]

Psyker is the most broken class rn and it’s not even close

[rugged night]

On the Marksman ability modifer it says any weakspot hit gets 20% strength, what does that mean?

[faint beacon]

Psyker M1 spam outdamaging all classes 3-fold lmao

[tall torrent]

Melee & ranged weakspot hits (for 10s after ability use) have +20% damage, stagger & cleave (multiplicative increase)

[shadow dagger]

strength basically just makes things hit harder

ya damage stagger cleave

hit better, not just harder I suppose

[rugged night]

Ah, okay. Wording was a little confusing and couldn't find anything online that mentioned it. Thanks for clearing that up

[shadow dagger]

strength used to be called power

that's probably why

[tall torrent]

u can use the pinned guide here for info

[shadow dagger]

cool guide, wonder who made it

[rugged night]

I see, now all the posts i read make sense

[tame lodge]

He was a gaze at the start of smite boy
She was a gaze at high peril when smiting girl

[tall torrent]

something is just very wrong with that playstyle

[faint beacon]

What being able to literally press M1

And just turn the fucking game off for everyone

I’ve gotten into arguments with people over that build it genuinely needs to be nerfed

[slow spade]

it needs a buff

assail tracking bolts

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-26178840

[cosmic sun]

Saw a recon vet who i'm pretty sure is botting.

[shadow dagger]

brain burst tracking more like

[cosmic sun]

Dude was going towards a res, turned around and just blasted some random fuckers with headshots

[shadow dagger]

what

[cosmic sun]

Extremely snappy movement as well

[faint beacon]

Tbf I’m snappy with my headshots and I won’t even ADS

[primal zealot]

The idea that things need to be nerfed kills games. Nearly put helldivers in the dirt. No idea where destiny is at these days but when they took the nerfhammer to everything a couple years back they cut their player count in half almost overnight

[faint beacon]

But I’m using Vigilant Rifles

[shadow dagger]

is this what moderately high sens and headphones does to a mf

[tall torrent]

the problem is that the talent that enables it is
+6% warp dmg taken (5 stacks)

[shadow dagger]

no not really

[cosmic sun]

No i mean this guy literally moves exclusively in straight lines

[tall torrent]

so it's multiplicative increase (1.06^5 = 1.338)

[primal zealot]

Ok well obvi if you’re using the vig rifle it’s no wonder everything else seems op

[shadow dagger]

destiny eating shit bc of its monetization and horrifically dogshit onboarding process

[faint beacon]

I would like to play the game instead of watching the Psyker turn it off for everyone lmao

[primal zealot]

Bro just wants to drag every other build and weapon down to that level

[faint beacon]

Also I literally top score with it

Unironically if you think M1 Scriers staff is balanced do not talk

Silence

[tall torrent]

darktide has insane power creep right now, some things do need nerfs

[shadow dagger]

how it feels to queue iiiveg and load into a game with a +4700 zealot

[primal zealot]

Power creep is fake and made up

[faint beacon]

Extreme depression kicks in the moment I see a Smyker or M1 Staff

[faint beacon]

You’re baiting

[primal zealot]

Wrong

[spice wadi]

Man the helldiver brain is everywhere

[tall torrent]

u just happen to be incredibly wrong and that's ok

[primal zealot]

Balancing games around the 0.01% of 1000+ hours players and sweaty streamers is dumb

[shadow dagger]

my excited ass when I see a weakened plogryn barrel around the corner (he's gonna die in 12 seconds flat because a duelling sword user is in the lobby)

[tame lodge]

Surge blessings speeding up the process

[cosmic sun]

Playing with recon vets is genuinely starting to get to me ngl. So fun to try to do a penance only for a guy with god tier RoF to somehow constantly focus fire on the exact guy i'm shooting at

[tall torrent]

12s is sending it, more like 6~7

[shadow dagger]

there were 4 maulers between him and the plogryn

his ass did NOT care

[tame lodge]

Shoot faster

[cosmic sun]

Oh no i can have a BRRRRT cannon equipped

But it's still a 50/50

[tall torrent]

what penance

MESC?

[cosmic sun]

Ogryn bullet thing

[tall torrent]

that one is just hold m1 tho

it's tedious

[faint beacon]

Oh that one is fucking tedious

[cosmic sun]

Yeah

[floral hearth]

worst kind of vets, definition of hyperactivity

[spice wadi]

Remember autopistol vets

[torpid mortar]

thats weird, only 56% on that revolver for reload speed

[shadow dagger]

dial down the exposure a lil bit

[tall torrent]

it's bugged

[torpid mortar]

HDR screenshot

[slow spade]

the Omnissiah has forsaken that revolver

[tall torrent]

we just know it's bugged, not what the bug is

[faint beacon]

Me who just snaps onto special heads with the vigilant and drops them in like 2 seconds

[floral hearth]

at least that had no chance of epilepsy

[slow spade]

"new autopistol change: RGB muzzle flash"

[shadow dagger]

the person actually using the recon las gets the worst of it

[floral hearth]

i will uninstall istg

[shadow dagger]

god forbid I try and shoot anything past 25m without crosshair remap

[uncut pebble]

This is unironically a super god revolver because it means every other stat is cranked above 80%.

[spice wadi]

Weapon specialist magic pockets will reload it too

[uncut pebble]

Unless for some reason it's bugged.

[torpid mortar]

I sadly don't think so. Look at this damage stat

[floral hearth]

i was about to say that mobility should be dumpstat, but i guess WS would make that obsolete really

reload speed i mean

[slow spade]

UwU

[spice wadi]

I fart the bullets directly into the cylinder

[uncut pebble]

Nope, actually, reload speed is still the dump stat on revolver.

[tall torrent]

it's bugged

[uncut pebble]

The difference in 60-80% reload speed is a 3% overall difference.

[slow spade]

too slow

UwU

[floral hearth]

man, i cba to math

[uncut pebble]

Mobility is like a 12% movement speed difference between 60-80%.

[shadow dagger]

does longshot hit any extra bps on boltgun exe that aren't bullshit fringe cases or should I stop being a wuss and use tac reload over volley adept

[uncut pebble]

Good thing you aren't!

[tall torrent]

use tac reload instead

longshot does nothing

volley adept is just safer if u want to magdump boltgun

but tac reload is usually better

[cosmic sun]

Honestly recon lasgun vet annoying is like the opposite of smyker annoying

It's not "This guy is doing nothing" it's "I have nothing to do but hold W"

[slow spade]

+0.8% damage at 12m AKA basically useless

you're better off getting something like Focus Target's damage buff

[hearty panther]

Longshot needs its own new mechanic that isn't tied to close.damage

[shadow dagger]

surely I can like 2tap crushers at 30m with exe stance up

[tall torrent]

0.6% at 13m

[shadow dagger]

:clueless:

[slow spade]

20% damage then goes down UwU

[slow spade]

oh woops

thanks for the clarification

[tall torrent]

that's just anoint in blood but worse

[hearty panther]

not that veteran needs a buff but i would not mind if it was just reverse Anoint in Blood and the boost started at 1m

[slow spade]

mag dumping bolter is what I do best

[hearty panther]

fixing it to close damage is what's silly. buffing close damage nerfed lonshot. thats just a big ol whut

and left side tree is ... really ... like awful lmao

at the top i mean

like i can and do have fun with the headshot toughness regen sometimes but stacking up those three brackets and comparing ... it ain't fair

it hurts to click on longshot

[slow spade]

look on the bright side, Exhilerating Takedown no longer increases the damage you take c:

they love the left side UwU

[tall torrent]

left side generally needs help

[shadow dagger]

I've been running mk1 shovel with exe boltgun and I've still been struggling worse than expected vs ragers

I know I can literally just shoot them but like damn

I'm still getting cooked

[slow spade]

really? exe boltgun should basically 1-tap dreg ragers

oh yeah meleeing them is pain lol

[tall torrent]

well yea, the only atk u have that breaks their combo is SP

check my stagger breakpoint section

[hearty panther]

left side in general is quite yuck at some points, yes

that reload speed node above survivalist is the most UGH, EEEUGH, thing in the fucken game to me

[slow spade]

I still try to melee things I know is safer to shoot

[shadow dagger]

I tunnel on ranged elites and specials way too much and burn dodges to reposition

[slow spade]

I really need to break that bad habit

[hearty panther]

but some people swear its a big help for them

[idle swallow]

I do silly lil hammerblow munitorum shovel with exe stance guns

[uncut pebble]

The nodes directly above exe stance and survivalist are icky iirc.

[hearty panther]

im already ultra anti-reload speed so

but fuck me they suck yeah

ranged damage is fine

not amazing but ur gonna have 10%

[rigid schooner]

Reload speed is goated though

[orchid hemlock]

I've been experimenting

[hearty panther]

5%? god no

eugh

yuck

[shadow dagger]

I've resorted to hammerblow on the shovel to try and not get fried but I genuinely have no clue if that helps mk1 shovel vs ragers

[slow spade]

to be fair, its +5% damage on a gun that does 545

[orchid hemlock]

100% reload speed, no reloading required

[slow spade]

so its not "nothing"

[hollow ibex]

just get a devils claw or something if you need your melee weapon to deal with ragers

[tall torrent]

starting branch is bad (longshot lol)
catch a breath is ok
GBITF is ultra situational
the 3 nodes above exe stance are mediocre at best
bottom left side needs help (swap superiority complex's place with fully loaded)
marksman's focus needs rework

[hollow ibex]

mk1 shovel is mostly just for wrecking normal hordes

[hearty panther]

which is the mk1 again

the sweeping light fold shovel?

[hollow ibex]

the oldest shovel

[hearty panther]

or the standard

oh yea

yea its really just for heavy attacking hordes

[uncut pebble]

Standard shovel fucks.

It's better rashad for lights.

[hollow ibex]

i have a soft spot for the standard shovel

[hearty panther]

itll slap ragers tho once that impact blessing stacks

impact + decimator together is quite funny

[uncut pebble]

You use an impact blessing on it?

[pseudo fiber]

I love standard shovel

[uncut pebble]

I use uncanny skullcrusher...

[hearty panther]

sometimes

[shadow dagger]

I'd use dclaw if its hordeclear didn't give me a stomachache

[hollow ibex]

nothing about decimator is funny tbh

[hearty panther]

deci + skullcrusher almost all the time

but if im not shout vet, i drop skullcrusher

[shadow dagger]

no savage sweep and it hits like 3 enemies a heavy

savage sweep and it doesn't actually kill anything

[tall torrent]

idk I feel if u need to use a shovel
shock maul does everything it does but better ?

[uncut pebble]

I just like it because it has the funny stop mutants like taxe does for its special and acts like rashad on its lights.

[hearty panther]

shock maul aint kino

[tame lodge]

Trauma Skullcrusher is legit

[shadow dagger]

parry for hordeclear and my stamina eats shit

[hearty panther]

its about the bonk.sfx

ur unrefined palette disgusts me

[tall torrent]

if the dmg / stagger matched the bonk sfx it'd be better

but it's not there

[hearty panther]

still, love og shovel

[uncut pebble]

That's what I'm saying.

[hearty panther]

its just very flexible

crushers i mean

youre a veteran, youll figure it out

[primal zealot]

Krak them lol

[shadow dagger]

I might just be trench fighter pilled but shock maul attack speed doesn't sit right

[tall torrent]

I don't think it needs trench fighter

[uncut pebble]

Kid named martyr zealout: (it's still really fucking bad)

[tame lodge]

My honest 11 cleave reaction

[uncut pebble]

That is exactly why I don't like smaul.

[primal zealot]

Tbh if I need to melee on vet I’m either way out of position or the ogryn isn’t doing his job

[pastel zealot]

good afternoon! what blessings and perks do y'all use on your shovels? and what mark?

[uncut pebble]

Agni is ok because you have an infinite strikedown loop so you don't worry about cleave.

Indignatus is a pain to use tho.

[primal zealot]

Folder with thrust and slaughterer cus it reminds me of the big shovel lol

[tall torrent]

have u considered that veteran has the highest melee dmg

[lavish token]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-cat-upset-annoyed-perturbed-gif-2678264647403754706

[tame lodge]

I'm Frontline

[idle swallow]

entering melee as vet to satiate my overwhelming bloodlust

[tall torrent]

u sure u didn't get them mixed up?

mk3 is the better shock maul

[shadow dagger]

I think I've just played too much with trench fighter + weapon specialist to get comfortable with base attack speeds again this quickly

[hollow ibex]

hey might just be a recon las main

[hearty panther]

i like the shmaul, i find it hilarious how it has this magical ability to always be three shots to kill for every single enemy type

[primal zealot]

Based on the amount of replies I’d say it was the right size

Also yes a recon main but not rly actually an ogryn main

[regal smelt]

even inf auto can get away with 100% usage over melee in a game

[tall torrent]

what difficulty do u mainly play lol

[uncut pebble]

Nope, didn't get em mixed up.

[primal zealot]

Auric

[tame lodge]

Right!?! I keep remembering that it actually kills stuff that isn't unyielding

[lavish token]

If you aren’t using your melee

[regal smelt]

but yeah there aint always a teammate babysitting you. melee is good and you should use it

[lavish token]

I take your ammo

[tall torrent]

and still relying on teammates to melee is crazy

[hollow ibex]

auric heresy

[lavish token]

All of the ammo

[primal zealot]

I’m just shitposting while I wait for my spicy Mongolian noodles

[hollow ibex]

well he just asaid he's a recon las main

[lavish token]

My record in a pub was all but one large ammo

[broken spade]

"if you're nothing without your ammo, you shouldn't have it"

so based

[shadow dagger]

'picked up an ammo bag, wasted 34% ammo' ass 😭

[tame lodge]

Dorn be out there vacuuming ammo

[tall torrent]

34% is rookie numbers, better be 98%

[broken spade]

grab all 4 charges of the ammo crate too

[shadow dagger]

now that I think about it

I haven't met an 'I need ammo' spammer in auric qp in a while now

I suppose that's a good thing

people actually using their boxes when they see people need it now

stims are a whole other deal

[tame lodge]

Playing a game of stay still with your teammate

[idle swallow]

nothing quite like trying to med stim an ADHD pub teammate who dies because they couldn't stand still for 1 second and don't know how to block or dodge

[hearty panther]

even unyielding its alright, skullcrusher + that electrify one do all the work for you

its bosses that ur fucked cause u cant keep them staggered

no skullcrusher stacks

just bonkin away

[tawdry jackal]

@tall torrent or anyone who knows, can yall help me understand the synergy between a boltgun using puncutre and everythign else in the veteran toolkit?

[real flicker]

Any of you lot have a good stealth vet talent tree? il be using duelling sword and revolver

[pastel zealot]

for shovel, mkIII or mkVII?

[rigid schooner]

My understanding is that it's useful for bossing, or when you hit an enemy but only deal 99% of damage

[tawdry jackal]

https://i.imgur.com/EAqEBMa.png

this is what i just put together real quick

modification of a krak grenade version

[muted rapids]

Is this just reapers and machine gunners or does it factor in the normal mobs with rifles?

[tawdry jackal]

im considering taking puncture off of my boltgun though so wanna understand how it fucks bosses more or enemies

cause a boss will get mag dumped for sure

[narrow frost]

only elite gunners

[muted rapids]

[tawdry jackal]

basically tl;dr is it worth focusing on boosting bleed damage

[narrow frost]

not if you can get 1 shot breakpoints

[primal zealot]

My guess is no unless you’re also adding brittleness

[narrow frost]

really easy to get a 1shot BP

so bleed is useless

[primal zealot]

Even then tho idk bleeding stuff at range … idk seems likes it’s always been a meme

[orchid hemlock]

which shock mark do yall prefer?

[narrow frost]

the better one

[orchid hemlock]

yes

[tame lodge]

Muni is the popular one

[primal zealot]

I prefer the worse one tbh

[orchid hemlock]

what blessings do yall like?

[placid portal]

Prefer Indignatus imo too

[hollow ibex]

gunners and reapers

[floral hearth]

the special mobs, all mobs would be overpowered really

[narrow frost]

huh

[idle swallow]

god can you imagine if gunner resist included basic shooters, literal instant pick every time (more than it basically already is)

[shadow dagger]

am i fucking stupid

[narrow frost]

yes

[shadow dagger]

why the fuck does the shockmaul taser make em tweak out so goddamn bad

why is this bulwark

turning around faster than i can strafe

[idle swallow]

the head is laced with meth

emperor said we need to cook

[tawny badger]

it's just dreg/scab gunners
no reapers, no shooters/stalkers (the regular rifleman mobs)

in all fairnesss gunners are the ones that be tearing ppl up so like

and then they be fuckin cheating by posting up near sleeping demonhosts

[tawdry jackal]

ok so question 2: wanna have a executioner stance build that nukes the gunline, the little scrubs

boltgun is amazing but overkill and ammo hungry, whats my alternative?

[primal zealot]

Recon

[shadow dagger]

krak boltor vet

surely this guy will be locked in

[primal zealot]

Can be really ammo efficient too if you use shock trooper or whatever and resist the urge to wildly spray it at everything all the time

[tawdry jackal]

ok bet

the goal is to stay locked into executioner stance

[shadow dagger]

not talking to or about you

but i suppose that isnt the worst idea

[tawdry jackal]

im following up on what boge is saying

ok could use a talent tree thats basically executioner stance recon las bro

[faint beacon]

So are you looking to drop anything with a gun but be efficient ammo wise

[tawdry jackal]

yes

[faint beacon]

I ask this

[tawdry jackal]

to handle the enemy gunline by just wallhacking them and FIRING THEM THE FUCK UP

[faint beacon]

Ballistic or Las

[tawdry jackal]

both are acceptable

have ar eally nice recon las for rn tho

[faint beacon]

Vigilant, Infantry Las, Helbore

Uhh- yeah those are the big 3 marksman ammo efficient ones I can think of

[grizzled pebble]

Only bistol can shoot a dog in mid air like this. Confirmed bistol is OP
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3qlWAfiu0P5AARdHuO428Ww2BLKFOpAh?si=ZoZ3eEqdSSlPx2af

[faint beacon]

Recon las is enjoyable but you’ll notice if you aren’t actively meleeing more you’ll be absorbing a shit ton of ammo

Hence why I say take Recon with a grain of salt

If you want borderline infinite ammo

Helbore and Infantry Las

[tawdry jackal]

gotcha. The ability to autofire on a gunline isn't to be underestimated

i think the helbore would be the way to go cause of chargeup and bayonet

[terse idol]

Infantry lasgun

[faint beacon]

You’ll need to take one motion of you run it

[terse idol]

Exe stance

Mf

Take b4b

[faint beacon]

Infantry las fucks hard though

[terse idol]

If you're entire build is centered around killing every gunner

That's your best build imo

Other semi auto guns apply too

[faint beacon]

I’m a Headhunter + Deadly accurate kinda guy

[idle swallow]

crit maxxing and using MF on the laspistols is my drug

[terse idol]

Helbore is more large target-centric

[faint beacon]

But Headhunter + Ghost also fucks hard

[terse idol]

And the sights make it more difficult

I always gotta try ghost

[faint beacon]

But if you decide to do Vigilant rifles definitely ask me seeing I literally main them

All of them are good

Very build requiring but good

[tawdry jackal]

can you show me builds for each of these? I'll try to recreate what i think is best

[idle swallow]

did a no ammo maelstrom the other day and watched a vet hipfire the single shot autogun into crusher torsos, was he using it correctly

[faint beacon]

Uh for all 3 listed cause I’m kinda at work atm but I totally could

It also matters on what keystone you want to use

[tawdry jackal]

ok i'll make them and you tell me

doing focus target for rn

[tall torrent]

Puncture helps reach 1 shot breakpoints, and helps kill ragers & maulers in less shots

[faint beacon]

Good neutral keystone

[tawdry jackal]

https://i.imgur.com/XIeJ6BF.png

[tall torrent]

Dreg & scab gunners + reapers

[faint beacon]

What gun for this one

[tawdry jackal]

infantry lasgun/recon las

[tall torrent]

Puncture helps with that

[faint beacon]

Drop Determined

Exe stance makes up for it

[tall torrent]

Reaper is included

[tall torrent]

I don’t think u need shock trooper if u already take survivalist for lasgun
Unless recon

[tawdry jackal]

https://i.imgur.com/LGwCep9.png

[faint beacon]

@tawdry jackal you insist on having that 1 min regen or having demo team instead

[tawdry jackal]

im considering recon xiv

[tall torrent]

Ok

[tawdry jackal]

demoteam might proc more

[tall torrent]

I don’t think u need superiority complex tho

[faint beacon]

I’d say

Hmmm

You could get AE actually

[tall torrent]

Superiority complex doesn’t help ur breakpoints

[tawdry jackal]

does elite damage apply to bosses?

[terse idol]

1 min per grenade is more consistant

[tall torrent]

No

[tawdry jackal]

ok then yeah not needed

[faint beacon]

He drops Tinkerer and regen plus node leading to it for demo team

He’ll have enough for Agile

Which I mean if you play aggressively

With your melee you won’t regret it

[tawdry jackal]

have agile and i do play aggressive

do need to switch to a non powersword weapon

[faint beacon]

Okay hear me out

[tawdry jackal]

but i make the mk6 work pretty well, just hate being interrupted when swinging

[faint beacon]

Mk1 Shovel

[tall torrent]

I also don’t think u need any of the subnodes for exe stance tbh

The only one I might take is ogryn highlight

For Boltgun, if u take krak

[faint beacon]

With Uncanny + Deci

Overall extremely reliable melee

And it’s uncanny will help you deal with carapace

[tawdry jackal]

mk1 shovel i like

[faint beacon]

Lights and Heavies for horde clear are great

I’d say if you just want a horde clear melee

Do Heavy Swords

Deathblow + Headtaker

MkIX is the easiest to get into

[tawdry jackal]

need to level it

[faint beacon]

L1 - H spam

I would’ve said Rashad

But I want people to try to try out new things instead of getting hooked onto the best weapon in the game

Cause it’s extremely difficult to get off of

Cause it’s just leagues better than everything else

[tawdry jackal]

here are the weapons i have at 20 mastery: shovel, powersword, assault chainsword, boltgun. Weapons at high mastery (above 15): Recon Lasgun (18), Plasma Gun (18), Bolt Pistol (17), Helbore Lasgun (19). Other masteries: (DClaw Sword, 13), DS 8, Tac Axe 3, knife 6, IAG ILG both at 8

[faint beacon]

I ask

[tall torrent]

[faint beacon]

Do you know of the method to get piss easy mastery rank

[tawdry jackal]

yes: feed guns to hadron with money

umm why not mk3 shovel?

[tall torrent]

Cuz it’s ass

[tawdry jackal]

guess the mk1 has superior stagger

gotcha

[tall torrent]

Mk3 is only good for one thing

Folded H1

Everything else about that variant is ass

[faint beacon]

Mk7

[tawdry jackal]

carapace or flak on the mk1 shovel?

[faint beacon]

Is the hybrid of them

But it’s weaker on horde

[tall torrent]

Not much worse, just atk speed slightly slower

[faint beacon]

It’s another good option if you prefer

[tawdry jackal]

nah we're doing mk1

[faint beacon]

The Folded special

[tawdry jackal]

horde clear has to be fucking dope or im in trouble

[floral hearth]

flak

shouldnt use mk1 shovel on carapace anyway

[tawdry jackal]

for some reason the word doc hamme run had it as a recommended alternate to flak

i assume for the head stab

[faint beacon]

Mk1 and Heavy Sword

That’s your best bet

[faint beacon]

Uncanny makes it a decent option

Just not optimal

[floral hearth]

shouldnt cover weaknesses, should double-down on strengths

[faint beacon]

Okay to be fair

Uncanny is just busted in general

Always take it

Cause it also helps with Flak, Unyielding and Maniac

[misty delta]

which recon mk is the best

[floral hearth]

the one that is an autogun

[faint beacon]

But I’m a gambler

So I pair it with Deci

[misty delta]

that's... all of them.

[floral hearth]

the one that doesn't give me epilepsy then

[tawdry jackal]

alright now im gonna show you a helbore lasgun build. The helbore needs to be leveled up

which mark first and foremost?

[faint beacon]

Fuck I don’t recall the new names

[tawdry jackal]

colors

[faint beacon]

I’m used to 1 2 and 3

[misty delta]

I'd say mk V the blue one

[faint beacon]

Brown try to avoid unless you’re Ogryn killing

Blue and Green are great

[misty delta]

I'm against the brown one because the bayonett :P

[floral hearth]

mark IV not, at least

[tall torrent]

XII / XIV

[tall torrent]

V

[tawdry jackal]

ok bet

[faint beacon]

When you get to vigilant rifles absolutely ping me lmao

I will say this every single one is good

It heavily matters on how you play it

[misty delta]

Ive only used the semi auto and 3-burst ones

[floral hearth]

Single shot is the most fun, closest to feeling like a sniper

other than the pocket sniper that is

[faint beacon]

2nd round is great for aggressive play

It’s the “weaker” of them

But I main it

Literally my favorite variant

[misty delta]

what do you run on it?

Im tempted to give it a try

[faint beacon]

Me and Path straight up can’t decide on if Surgical or Headhunter is better

But I run HH + Deadly Accurate

Either or Works

[tall torrent]

Surgical

[tawdry jackal]

this is for a helbore lasgun

https://i.imgur.com/ZruFtxz.png

[faint beacon]

Honestly

[tawdry jackal]

im banking on not needing shocktrooper at all

[faint beacon]

I’d say Surgical if you play slower

Headhunter if you play aggressive as fuck like me

Constantly run into danger

[radiant chasm]

once again asking, does close damage effect frag nades?

[faint beacon]

Being dead serious with you

[tall torrent]

Not always

[faint beacon]

Do not sleep

On Shock

With Helbore

[radiant chasm]

[faint beacon]

That shit is fucking STUPID

[tall torrent]

Helbore needs shock trooper

[faint beacon]

Literally type in

sv_cheats unlimited_ammo 1

That’s the Shocktrooper Helbore experience

[tawdry jackal]

gotcha

[radiant chasm]

bistol fragger is so much fun

[tawdry jackal]

ok im ready to game, thank you friends

[faint beacon]

Yeah np

You ever pick up Vigilant rifles just @ me

[terse idol]

Its been hard for me to try something else

Proximity grenadier bistol goes so hard

[tawdry jackal]

will do eventually

love guns

[faint beacon]

We’ve blessed you with the knowledge

Shit is so fucking funny lmao

[hollow ibex]

same for me, though the recoil is pretty annoying sometimes

[terse idol]

[faint beacon]

80% stability blessed be

Shit deletes so many specials though lmao

[hollow ibex]

tbf the recoil is only really an issue when i have to chain multiple bursts quickly

like against crusher heads or something

[runic axle]

What's a better dump stat for the revolver on a weapon specialist build, mobility or reload speed?

[hollow ibex]

mobility, dumping reload speed sounds like you enjoy suffering

[uncut pebble]

It's reload speed.

60-80% diff on reload speed is a 3% diff in practice. 60-80% diff on mobility is a 12% movement speed diff in practice. Pick your dump wisely.

Also, yknow, weapon spec has always prepared.

1 melee kill at all ever reloads 1 bullet.

I think the max you can reload in 1 swap is 3 rounds for revolvers.

[wet ether]

whats a good gun for a STEALTH vet whos loves to remain mobile?

[grizzled pebble]

BISTOL

[misty delta]

probably the double barrel

[grizzled pebble]

Trust in the holy bistol.

[misty delta]

helps close the distance on a gun that doesnt work at range lol

[faint beacon]

DB + Knife goes incredibly hard

[misty delta]

other than DB, revolver or bolt pistol are very mobile options

[wet ether]

what about the heavy las pistol?

[misty delta]

yeah that works

[wet ether]

does it have both range and can be used in CQB?

[misty delta]

I'd say so. It's literally a laser and its as quick as the other pistols

bonus points if you use the special shove on poxbursters

[tawdry jackal]

should i do like a

chainsword or chainaxe bistol

[misty delta]

helbore build, right?

oh wait bistol

:derp:

[faint beacon]

Mobility or no mobility

Cause one hits like a truck but slows you down

[misty delta]

they both kinda do the same job tbh take whichever one you prefer

[faint beacon]

The other is a good neutral

[wet ether]

which las pistol mark 10 or 2?

[tawdry jackal]

i havent used the chainaxe yet so looking for a real killer

my understanding is that the chainaxe rev stops crushers

[misty delta]

idk the numbers but the green one

[faint beacon]

2 is just overall better

Blue Mk when?

[faint beacon]

Weapon Specialist and then stack Headtaker + Slaughterer stacks

Delete crushers

[shadow dagger]

baiting a chaos spawn thrash and watching in horror as two quickplayers walk directly into it charging their heavy attacks

xd

near a ledge too

[wet ether]

heavy las pistol blessings and perks?

[wet ether]

heavy las pistol do be doing some good work

[hollow ibex]

https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1g6qer0/testing_20_gunner_resistance_curios_at_point/

jesus fucking christ. some peoplle are still genuinely trying to argue that gunner resist isn't good in this thread lol

i hate reddit

[wet ether]

well is it good?

[slow spade]

its literally useless though

[wet ether]

by the looks of the video i'd say maybe

[slow spade]

I've never seen a gunner before in my life

[shadow dagger]

ive been using mk3 shockmaul for a few games

still getting cooked by this moveset

i cant even loop back to h1 without finishing the entire light combo

ah well ill probably just get used to it

[floral hearth]

Smaul dumpstat is mobility?

[orchid hemlock]

Si

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/speak-english-pulp-fiction-do-you-speak-it-gif-16440534

[hearty panther]

si

[tall torrent]

Well, it depends

[tall torrent]

U can
PA -> [L4 -> H1]

[hollow ibex]

i mean the people in that thread are prob taking mutant resist

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/reee-owo-shaking-triggered-gif-17805590

[tall torrent]

A lot of the times you could be better off with extra toughness instead of gunner resist

It’s more general purpose

[floral hearth]

could just not get hit

best kind of resist there is

[hollow ibex]

well i just take resists for things that kill me the most, which tends to be gunners or snipers

[tall torrent]

Is ur avg damage taken 0

[floral hearth]

it's in the negative

[misty delta]

ur the fucker that keeps taking the medicae

./j

[tall torrent]

Do u use scoreboard mod lol

[floral hearth]

why do i need medicae if i dont get hit

[misty delta]

how else do you take negative damage

[floral hearth]

it's not pain

it's pleasure

[tall torrent]

He just doesn’t know what he’s talking about

[shadow dagger]

theyre talking about bomber resist in there

so i guess its better

[floral hearth]

okay there bud

[shadow dagger]

better than expected, anyways

[floral hearth]

was just messing around, sheesh

[hollow ibex]

dude took a lungfull of pox gas

[misty delta]

in any event, real gamers take +ordos, +curio reward chance, and uhh idk +exp

[tall torrent]

Ya, if u have avg damage taken as 0, u can talk all u want about “don’t get hit”

[fading yarrow]

Trvke

[slow spade]

anyone have that picture of a vet eating glue?

[floral hearth]

again, messing around

chill

[tall torrent]

Bomber resist is mediocre at best

[spice wadi]

I ate it as dessert after my evening glue

[misty delta]

this one? #veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

If anything I think flamer resist is at least like, debatable

[austere mica]

Is it still bugged to only affect their kicks or no

[tall torrent]

Because it’s not infrequent that you take 1 tick of fire damage from flamers

[radiant chasm]

it's not bugged anymore

[tall torrent]

It does affect their grenades
It just doesn’t matter that much

[radiant chasm]

like "not get hit" resistances besides gunner don't matter

[slow spade]

man didn't even share

[slow spade]

yes that one :D perfect c:

thank you :D

[tall torrent]

I think if u want resistance stuff
20% sniper resist (really good)
Optionally, gunner / extra toughness

[radiant chasm]

i like 1 sniper cause it's a BP on every class for wound/hp

extra tough extra hp, stam regen

[tawdry jackal]

bet

[tall torrent]

I don’t think bomber/flamer resist is generally that good, and mutant resist is just lol

If there was Shotgunner resist it’d be ok

But there isn’t

[misty delta]

dog resist

[faint beacon]

true

[tall torrent]

Hound resist is just corruption resist but applies to only 1 enemy type

[broken spade]

true but i also think that should never be the comparison since you should always take toughness anyways

[tall torrent]

Well, not really?

[broken spade]

toughness is easily one of the better things to be taking

[wild summit]

Yo btw, i thought for the longest time you profile was a burd, i noticed like yesterday that it was a goofy cat 😂

[tall torrent]

Are u talking 3x toughness curios

[broken spade]

for perks yes

[misty delta]

growing. flourishing.

[tall torrent]

For curio perks then I think toughness is optional

I think it’s just >200 health and 20% sniper being non-negotiable

Everything else is preference

[wild summit]

I mean considering that you can get this massive toughness damage reduction when above 75% toughness and all the toughness regen, toughness is 100% the best thing to get

[tall torrent]

I play 3x docket + 3x sprint efficiency

I have 3x docket on every class

[broken spade]

i think anyone who is considering gunner would've already taken toughness

[wild summit]

I got 3x 3 stamina for the deadshot build with my autogun

[tall torrent]

No, because gunner resist does do more specifically for gunners

It’s just that, extra toughness applies to mostly everything

[wild summit]

I can badically annihalated most bosses when i got my stack up

[tall torrent]

More universally applicable

[misty delta]

I have to go 2x or 3x hp because I run only one hp curio :P

[tall torrent]

+9 stamina is basically meme build

[wet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-24582703

[wild summit]

I like the yellow crosshair :>

[wet ether]

Average vet main

[misty delta]

I never miss my shots. Any strays are so the ogryn can get value out of the dmg to suppressed enemies aura :biggest_brian:

[wild summit]

Tbf, crit on auto seems good or am i wrong?

[tall torrent]

Depends

[wild summit]

The inf auto i mean

[tall torrent]

Vraks V and Columnus VIII, yes

Agripinaa I, not as high value

[wet ether]

Mhm if you say so storm trooper

[wild summit]

The op inf auto gun, crit should be good no?

[misty delta]

yeah that one is Vraks V

[tall torrent]

Vraks V, yes

[wild summit]

Yeh

[tall torrent]

You run 5% crit chance perk + talent

U don’t need deadshot

It’s just not worth it

[wild summit]

Isnt that one on the far right?

[tall torrent]

What

[wild summit]

Wait where is the 5% crit chance thingy?

[tall torrent]

Above infiltrate

It’s a 1 point grab

[broken spade]

run deadshot with iag to watch your stamina speedrun to 0

[wild summit]

Yeah i dont get that one cause it is too far away for me :c

[tall torrent]

What is your build

That u can’t afford that

[misty delta]

just pair it with an all or nothing axe

[wild summit]

Survivalist, basically full left tree

[tall torrent]

Show me

[broken spade]

exec stance i'm guessing

[misty delta]

even with a full left tree build it's only 2 points off the path

[wild summit]

I am not on pc rn x-x on phone, can i somehow show it to you here?

[tall torrent]

Only 1 point unless he gave up grenade regen

[tall torrent]

Gameslantern

[misty delta]

^ https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

I'm surprised people still dont know about gameslantern

not trying to shame anyone, just wanted to say it

[wild summit]

@tall torrent

[tall torrent]

Damn u actually gave up on grenade regen

Is this supposed to be some sort of thematic role play build

[wild summit]

I never really need it 🥲 and yeah, idea was left tree

That was the general theme

I basically theme all my builds around some idea

[broken spade]

what gun is this for?

[tall torrent]

Do u want good builds or thematic builds

[wild summit]

Vraks 5 and the shock club

[rigid schooner]

i've had someone claim that weapons specalist is ultimately just a talent for fun. should i try just dumping points into the nodes of the bottom third of the tree?

[broken spade]

oh the autogun

[wild summit]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Pick one

[austere mica]

Weapon spec is very fun, but also stupidly effective

[misty delta]

^

[austere mica]

however, most of its extra nodes are useless

Always Prepared is the exception

[wild summit]

Okay you know what? Show me what the good build would be and i will check it out to see what i can sacrifice! 🙂

[misty delta]

WS is basically the default keystone you take if you dont need FT to hit breakpoints

[rigid schooner]

the reload one seems really useful

[austere mica]

The reload rounds up btw

a single stack will reload a double barrel shell

[rigid schooner]

i'm just looking at this and reviewing my builds atm

[misty delta]

100% ranged crit and 15% atk speed is a little good lol

[austere mica]

Oh god a tanner viewer

[misty delta]

oh god that video

[broken spade]

the reload is like the entire reason i ever use wep spec

[austere mica]

please do not the tanner

[hearty panther]

the hell is that list lmao

[austere mica]

Tanner

[rigid schooner]

i'm just reviewing things to see if his claims are legit tbh

[hearty panther]

oh right

[austere mica]

That should be all the context you need

[hearty panther]

say no more

[misty delta]

[spark helm]

Can't access game chat or at least it looks like it's not working.

That weird bug still around?

[austere mica]

Me when EP assail is one of the strongest builds psyker has

[rigid schooner]

honestly his personality being so wildly abrasive is enough to not watch his videos

[tall torrent]

Something like this

[spark helm]

Also damn, recon lasgun doesn't suck right now. I was sleeping so hard.

[misty delta]

yeah I think I ran into it about a week ago

[rigid schooner]

imo people are sleeping on the slow fire one, since it has pretty high cleave

[misty delta]

didnt really think too much about it until you brought it up

[wild summit]

Arent you meant to get superiority complex for the VV?

[tall torrent]

Why

[wild summit]

Unless i miss something it is mentiomed in the guide

[rigid schooner]

hey, it's why i'm coming here to review rather than blindly follow his statements

[tall torrent]

It’s a decent general damage increase

But that’s it

Just a decent damage increase

[wild summit]

Ooooh

And what if i wanna wanna the left purple keystone?

[gritty salmon]

Wait, the slow fire one has good cleave? Ngl I've been using it purely because I have zero fire discipline and magdump everything

[rigid schooner]

#1158835044006232215 message

at the minute these are what i'm using, but they aren't particularly well "vetted"

[wild summit]

What would i need to do instead?

[wild summit]

Also jesus mmf needs a change, the fact it only works on like 3 guns well is kinda sad

[austere mica]

Do not the twinned blast

[rigid schooner]

yeah it sounds funny but it's such a low chance

[broken spade]

oh speaking of twinned blast

[spark helm]

Where is this from? 👀

[tall torrent]

Something like this?
I don’t recommend MF tho

[wild summit]

Twinned blast? The nade thingy?

[wild summit]

Wait, you take the stand still modifier? 😮 why?

[tall torrent]

Because it’s the best one?

[gritty salmon]

Yeah, I've been using the Mk XIV purely because it has good mobility and a low RoF, I had no idea about the rest of its benefits

[broken spade]

thinking of making a shitty meme build with bistol and all the grenade talents (yes all)
Gotta get home and test some breakpoints later, but how dogshit does this look?

[wet ether]

What in the actual fuck

[wild summit]

I found it to be a huge waste personally

[rigid schooner]

the MS word document in pinned. it's not entirely up to date but its all mostly correct

[tall torrent]

U could take tunnel vision if u want to sacrifice smth else somewhere

[misty delta]

probably so you can build stacks without needing to shoot random guys

[broken spade]

this hurts me so much

[tall torrent]

U can drop it for tunnel vision

[broken spade]

but it's so funny i gotta try

[tall torrent]

?

[spark helm]

All smokes.

[wild summit]

Tv is the rending one correct?

[spark helm]

Do it, coward.

[tall torrent]

No, toughness gain multiplier

[broken spade]

smoke spam would be hilarious ngl

[spark helm]

Use the smoke grenades. You know want to.

[tall torrent]

MF is still just incredibly mediocre to play