veteran-class

[marble mantle]

Strange duality of silly big man

[shadow aurora]

Same

[wise fossil]

Oh like the guy who has an Uncle Ruckus Ogryn?

[shadow aurora]

Idkh you can be so toxic when playing ogryn

Thankfully there are a lot of nicegryns

[marble mantle]

Seriously you’re just a silly guy

[shadow aurora]

You have and alt attack on the shovel where you slap the shit out of people how are you being so serious

[marble mantle]

Yeah and I’ve seen ppl who try and make racial slurs with their names n shit

[crimson pebble]

Because vet gets a bad rep as its what imo what most new players gravitate to as their first class as they see as normal looking gun guy and they tend to be shit

[marble mantle]

Just super cringe

[faint beacon]

90% of this chat is strict serious buisness with Stats regarding weapons and the class, the rest is like Sneaky who just doesn't take the game remotely seriously at all lmao

[thorn lark]

All the racist nicknames I have seen where for vet and zealot characters tho

[serene bough]

mfw sneaky is 10%

[shadow aurora]

Ogryns are just named shit like

Thudd

Bonk

Dent

[thorn lark]

Smasha

[shadow aurora]

Stabba

[faint beacon]

Exactly 1 person

[marble mantle]

We get at least 1 person a day that just cannot tolerate other opinions and starts name calling and complaining when backed into a corner

[faint beacon]

Welcome to Veteran chat

[crimson pebble]

Have mine named tinkerbell

[serene bough]

10% of vet chat population but 50% of vet chat shenanigans

[thorn lark]

Cousin Okri in a thousand variations

[marble mantle]

It’s a downright shame but that’s multiplayer games for ya

[fading yarrow]

Thanks, many failed runs preceded this moment

[shadow aurora]

Saw someone named teeny mctiny

[last parcel]

despite o-

[marble mantle]

I saw one named caseoh

[knotty mauve]

Weird because the stats seemingly have no effect on gameplay other than very basic things, almost like none of it matters at all.

[crimson pebble]

Saw one last night just named ogryn

[marble mantle]

The OG (ryn)

[fading yarrow]

Btw pardon me y'all; is this worth picking up?

[shadow aurora]

"Bro ate the entire horde?!
Mods ban this guy."

[marble mantle]

Lmfaooooo

[crimson pebble]

Iv seen two diff ogryns named baby mangler and the other was orphan crippler

[faint beacon]

Yes and no? If we're going super crazy about stats the damage could be better but it is a decent Bistol

if you dont have something better grab it

[fading yarrow]

Yee this'll be my first Bistol

[faint beacon]

Grab it then

[shadow aurora]

Bistol is my favorite weapon its so fun

[faint beacon]

its a pretty fun weapon

[marble mantle]

Yees

Is very fun

[faint beacon]

My Ogryn:

[marble mantle]

I actually just got into the bolter and it’s pretty sweet

[last parcel]

byeah

https://tenor.com/view/byeah-jerma-jerma985-meeting-of-the-byeahs-gta-march-gif-14221033

[marble mantle]

Byeah

[crimson pebble]

Iv been running bolt pistol a lot and it is decent could be a teent bit better tho imo

[shadow aurora]

I actually got a really good roll for one earlier. Tier 4 bleed tier 4 point blank explosion and +25 flak and maniac

[faint beacon]

Byeah...

[shadow aurora]

Barfighting

Byeah

Bug collecting

Byeah

Cheeseburgers

[crimson pebble]

In game footage of high intensity extra mutants

[shadow aurora]

Byeah

[marble mantle]

Can I drop anything to pick up the “marks all human sized range enemies”? I would like for my stance to last a little longer but I feel like it’s not really

[shadow aurora]

Id take that personally

Instantly knowing all shooter locations is already good

[marble mantle]

I agree it’s just not innately in this build

And idk numbers well enough to make that decision of my own accord

[faint beacon]

You could probably drops marksman seeing its only for 10 seconds after the Exe activation?...

[crimson pebble]

Prob the modifer off focus target or one of the two on the left at the very top

[last parcel]

you could swap stockpile for demo team to pick it up, but then you'll have less grenades

[marble mantle]

Lot of suggestions

Thanks I’ll take a look at em!

[faint beacon]

You have the mandatory talents needed im ngl

[last parcel]

i'm assuming redirect fire is necessary for breakpoints

[faint beacon]

the Elite Increase, Superiority Complex, and Weakspot

[faint beacon]

might be for boss busting

I would assume such seeing you run Exe Bolter for that reason usually

[last parcel]

and dropping volley fire will make it harder to keep executioner's stance up for longer, so it's kinda a net 0 at that point

[marble mantle]

Right I don’t wanna lose reload it’s already slow as balls

Even though I’m at 78% 😭

[faint beacon]

Veteran's learn this one simple trick to keep their bolter firing more! 200% reload speed

[last parcel]

accuracy through volume

[marble mantle]

Would losing precision strikes or marksman hurt more? It’s temporary until they let me know what they think but until then I wanna try n see how this goes

Weak spot dmg vs power on weak spot hit for 10s after ability use

[faint beacon]

Precision strikes would hurt more

[marble mantle]

Okay

[faint beacon]

cause its a constant 30% weakspot increase

[marble mantle]

Right yeah

[faint beacon]

it doesn't go away unlike marksman

Plus it would assist in boss busting more

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t drop either

Because the first thing with exe Boltgun is that you don’t want to use ammo on shooters & stalkers

[rigid pilot]

You kinda need to though, it's not really a choice

[tall torrent]

It’s better to have it up when you need it to snipe groups of elites & specials very fast, than to try to stay in it for a long time

[crimson pebble]

Yea but it looks funny seeing them get misted by it

[tall torrent]

Nah, exe shooter highlight is not necessary most of the time

On automatics I’d say it’s worth considering

[rigid pilot]

Probably, bolter already one shots them so you wouldn't need the stance

[tall torrent]

On Boltgun I just wouldn’t

[tall torrent]

This also means that u get to melee more and not entirely need to worry abt exe stance uptime

It’s also why I take marksman

[rigid pilot]

MF on bolter?

[tall torrent]

U have 10s uptime where u decimate basically everything

[tall torrent]

Marksman, not MF

[rigid pilot]

Understandable

[tall torrent]

Weakspot hits have +20% power

It’s really strong

U pop exe stance and just casually 1 tap reaper

[rigid pilot]

Is there any sane person that takes MF on bolter though?

[tall torrent]

Boltgun is a breakpoint gun

FT is just better

And redirect is better because it means u get to keep 1 tap breakpoints even when exe is not active

Exe is just a tool u use to temporarily do turbo dps

It’s better to treat exe as a temp mega dps boost than smth u want to stay in for as long as possible as of now

And you’ll always run into situations like

Mutant charge / burster / hound

Where melee is preferred

[rigid pilot]

You won't even take the extension buff?

[tall torrent]

Refresh, yes
Everything else, no

No shooter highlight, no Ogryn highlight, no team share vision

[rigid pilot]

Exe stance is 25% ranged damage and 25% weakspot damage?

[tall torrent]

+25% ranged dmg
+25% ranged weakspot dmg (finesse scaling)
+100% ranged stagger
Stun immunity
Suppression immunity
Non-Ogryn elite/specialist highlight within 50m
Massive ADS sway, recoil & spread reduction

It’s a myriad of buffs

And then u run marksman with it

And just do insane dmg

I wish exe had auto reload tho

Then Boltgun has a very strict hyper synergy build

Where if u run exe stance u not only get turbo dps u also bypass the need for reload speed talents

[rigid pilot]

There's no reason exe doesn't reload

[clear lantern]

I'd pick that up, and give ot to Hadron to obtain blessing

[rigid pilot]

Or have a reload talent node

[serene bough]

p sure they did this bc of the bolt gun

since the hold bolter meta used to be around this mechanic

[rigid pilot]

Unless FS thinks that with CDR and short cooldown of exe it will be too powerful

I think that bolter meta died long before the talent change update

Mainly because pinning fire nerf

[tall torrent]

Exe already has the worst pathing in veteran tree and Boltgun is not like insanely strong even with exe stance

[rigid pilot]

They seem very reluctant to budge regarding bolters

Even though I never see any vets running it

Ever

At most I'll see zealots run it

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s not that popular in damnation & auric

On vet it’s just turbo point cost for a gun that’s not good enough for that point cost

Most popular guns I see are Zarona / Columnus mk5 / recon

[rigid pilot]

You forgot peeegun

[tall torrent]

Plasma is not as popular as those 3 in the lobbies I played

[rigid pilot]

Powersword plasma is all I see

[tall torrent]

It’s a much harder gun to roll than these 3

[rigid pilot]

All around me are familiar faces

[tall torrent]

Lemme guess they usually 3rd place or 4th in dmg

[rigid pilot]

I don't think plasma needs any perks or blessings

It's just brr

[tall torrent]

That’d be wrong

Blessings kinda u just need 1

But perks u need elite

[rigid pilot]

Just shoot plasma

Can't go wrong

Pubs don't need BPs anyway they are playing a team game

[tall torrent]

Plasma has very strict dmg requirement so it’s much harder to roll than the others

If it’s not hitting 1 taps at all it’s just worse than Zarona in almost every way

[marble mantle]

Oh okay I guess that makes sense

I kinda thought I’d want to be in it as long as possible

[tall torrent]

Exe stance is basically either
Stay in it and snipe elite/special one after another
Or pop to have the highest dps in ur team for 5~10s
Both are good use cases

[marble mantle]

Ohhh okay gotcha

[clear lantern]

you're either Rambo with an M60 or the belltower sniper in Saving Private Ryan

[marble mantle]

What weapon would I use for the former?

[shadow aurora]

Allows for good build variety

They just need to let us switch to melee

[marble mantle]

Seriously yeah

[tall torrent]

Boltgun works but like
You only need it up for specials & elites
You don’t need it outside of that

[shadow aurora]

Not saying it should benefit from the buffs btw

[marble mantle]

Ahh okay fair

[tall torrent]

Plus the build hits 1 tap breakpoints outside of exe stance

[marble mantle]

No no I’m with you

[shadow aurora]

Yeah i know just clarifying

[tall torrent]

So it’s not like not being in exe stance just drops ur killing power by 50%

[marble mantle]

Make it like how fury is now, so we can at least switch without it losing it

[shadow aurora]

If it boosted melee itd be insane

[tall torrent]

Oh yea

[marble mantle]

Same reason why fotf doesn’t boost range anymore lol

[tall torrent]

If exe stance was both melee & ranged it’d also be insane lmao

[last parcel]

executioner's stance bayonet

[marble mantle]

Hot

[shadow aurora]

I never understood that design choice

It was so stupid

[tall torrent]

Kill a special/elite every 5s to have +25% dmg, +25% weakspot dmg and +100% stagger

That’s genuinely broken

[shadow aurora]

Glad it got changed

WOW im having a hard time typing today

Jfc

Damn i killed chat

😭

[last parcel]

F

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-me-about-to-me-about-to-type-dead-chat-gif-26288134

[marble mantle]

Not too bad start on my bistol

Hopefully will just have to change perks but we’ll see on my fourth blessing

[tame lodge]

My package never arrived

[rigid pilot]

I'll say that 1shot BPs don't matter when it comes to scoreboard damage

[shadow aurora]

LUCKY

I want unyielding but im stuck with maniac until crafting rework

Great roll if you plan on using wep specialist

[last parcel]

stuck with maniac

[shadow aurora]

I mean its not a bad perk at all

If it was I wouldve scrapped the gun its super good

But id prefer unyielding

The bolt pistol build unironically fucks bosses over

2 kraks mag dump and they have like

1/3 of there health left

[tall torrent]

Scoreboard dmg is overrated

[clear lantern]

only number I pay attention to is that sweet grimoire cash

[shadow aurora]

Imagine doing the bonus objective

[rigid pilot]

Yea which is why measuring pubs by damage is mainly for vibes

[serene bough]

is this worth the grab

[shadow aurora]

Sub 60 mobility ughh

If you dont have a better one than yes take it

[serene bough]

mobility is ok as long as its above 51%

idk how worth punishing salvo and weakspot dmg are

[last parcel]

dogshit

[shadow aurora]

If youre fine with base itll become valuable after crafting rework

[serene bough]

sad

[shadow aurora]

No take it

Its shit rn

But itll be good soon

[serene bough]

sure i can spare melkbucks anyways

[terse idol]

Overkill damage looks bad on scoreboard

[terse idol]

Also yes

[serene bough]

Bigger number gooder number it's just science

[marble mantle]

Scoreboard moment

[tame lodge]

Considering the recoil of this weapon salvo might work
With that being said get a new one

• add mf salvo for testing later

[fading yarrow]

That's too much health after two Kraks and a magdump ngl

Just run a normal Bolter and kill bosses with one krak and a magdump at that point

[quick harbor]

So I just wanted to share this magic little number I discovered today.
Double barrel shotgun
Tactical axe
Weapon specialist keystone
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
The ranged WS keystone buffs reload speed already and with the both barrels perk you can spam the bad boy as fast as you can click it for 5 seconds.
Then you also have a keystone that reloads 3.3% of ammo ROUNDING UP so you just automatically have a round loaded when you switch. Bounce around with the tac axe, switch for a quick shot with the shotgun to mulch the horde and get 2-5 melee stacks easy and then your back to bouncing with your tac axe.

Seriously this was so much fun and the synergy between it all just felt as smooth as butter!

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pepo-g-peepo-gif-22945943

Redneck serial killer build right there, definitely gonna try it out

Got a talent tree or is the keystone all that's needed?

[crimson pebble]

Iv been doing this just w knife instead

[midnight totem]

anybody up for a game?

[shadow aurora]

Normal bolter is shit with weapon specialist

The build isnt even meant for boss damage also

[fading yarrow]

I missed the WS part, my b

[shadow aurora]

Nah you good gang

[thorn lark]

Yeah... Even though you can still draw it and shoot with stacks still active.

[pearl granite]

so good, yet not so good 😭

what are desired perks and blessings for a headhunter autogun?

[coral willow]

change special to whatever(unyielding if you can oneshot bulwarks) qnd barrage to no respite

[coral willow]

DA with something else is popular

surgical for v7/ag i think, and headhunter for ag/v3

[pearl granite]

thanks 👍

[marble mantle]

Could def be worse

[soft trellis]

Hm... I've been testing this recon gun I have in the meat grinder and it seems to do decent damage for elites and specials... and my melee weapon can kill a crusher pretty quickly so I think I'm gonna try this and see how I do... I'll probably epicly fail and the team will wipe <.<'

[last parcel]

you lack faith

[atomic zephyr]

recons got a buff

try it with stealth

very fun

on my end, i just cant get the ironhelm shotgun to click

[rigid pilot]

Ironhelm shotgun?

[atomic zephyr]

double barrel

[rigid pilot]

DB? Ah

[atomic zephyr]

i went from an infiltrator sniper build to that with a melee build and i just feel useless

[rigid pilot]

Both barrels is essential imo

[atomic zephyr]

ah im using speedload deathspitter

[rigid pilot]

You become a mixed hordes mulcher

[soft trellis]

I mean... I might... but vt2 has scarred me pretty badly so I know how fast it will go to shit if I go down... Also I at least have the -0.5s stamina regen delay... that has been helping me quite a lot with playing the Vet. I... kinda play the vet like a zealot, lol

[atomic zephyr]

huh, when did i pick up flechette for the lawbringer?
i guess i have my manstopper flechette shotgun now

[rigid pilot]

Playstyle is everything and build is probably only 30% of your effectiveness

[atomic zephyr]

i trained my vet playstyle to favor gunnery over melee and its kinda fucking me now lmao

[soft trellis]

Well... the more I play like a zealot... the better I seem to do overall. Not better overall as a Vet, but, better overall as a teammate/clutcher...

[rigid pilot]

Shout is just get out of jail free every 30 seconds (or less)

[soft trellis]

I'm kinda tempted not to take a keystone to see how this does

[rigid pilot]

Some weapons don't need keystones

[soft trellis]

This is what the bottom of my talent tree looks like lol

[atomic zephyr]

i fear for the top of your talent tree

[rigid pilot]

I just drop the entire middle tree usually unless I'm going for FT

[atomic zephyr]

ok you at least have passive nade regen

good enough

[soft trellis]

The middle tree helps me with tanking hits when I mess up, reducing my career cd on special kill, and gives me +10% melee and ranged base damage for 5s on career use

I could drop rending and the 25 toughness, but, I am not dropping the rest of that middle bottom tree

and now I have 3 talent points that I can put anywhere :/

[rigid pilot]

Always weapon spec unless you want FT

MF if you want a challenge lol

[soft trellis]

I guess I'll grab Desperado, Weapons Specialist, and... well... either longshot or the +25 toughness. Not sure which I want more, yet

I have my build set up so that I can handle pretty much any situation, in case I need to solo clutch... :\

[glad mango]

is death spitter and fire frenzy any good for autoguns? ive been thinking of changing one out for a dumdum round

[coral willow]

yes

but dumdum us top tier

[glad mango]

okay sick just got an amazing roll for a columnus

just switching death spitter for dumdum

[coral willow]

whats the other one?

speedloader?

[last parcel]

i'm assuming fire frenzy

[coral willow]

like i'd recommmend dumdum + deathspitter

ah

[glad mango]

its fire frenzy

[coral willow]

ff4?

[last parcel]

final fantasy?

[coral willow]

yeah then replace DS with DD4 i guess

[glad mango]

ff3

[coral willow]

i usually recommend

Deathspitter over fire frenzy

[glad mango]

im pretty new at the game so im still figuring things out lol

alright

[coral willow]

mostly cause deathspitter doesnt have reduced damage on ranged

how much level is DS?

just dont change it for a bit

[shadow aurora]

Bolters draw speed is abysmal

[glad mango]

its 2

i figure itd be better to get that stacking power at close since its a little higher in % boost

[coral willow]

then change DS to dumdum 3/4

👍

[glad mango]

alright thanks

[soft trellis]

Now this is more like it. We won the damnation mission, instead of losing right at the end like me and my last team did on hab dreyko(it didn't help that it was my 1st time doing the new hab dreyko tree area event)

[mortal horizon]

ok the double barrel with weapon master and constantly hot swapping to load an ammo in is SO MUCH FUN on vet damn.
but 2 things.

1. I have to drop to tier 4 auric for it to feel "good". It just falls short and many things dont die as nicely as I want them to on 5 aurc/maelstrom.
2. When constantly hot swapping with weapon master, and able to swap back and forth between 2 melee swings super quick to load 2 rounds in...double barrel feels...useless? overkill? Manstopper feels good for the pen however. I feel like it doesn't need Double Barrel...

What would be better for first shot damage to up my breakpoints or something instead of double barrel? I feel like flechette may just be best for fire and forget hot swapping but idk. Deathspitter wont stack nicely when taking 1 shot and swapping, neither will scatter shot unless i do 2 back to back shots. Unless it will...doesntthe buff stays through swapping?

[midnight totem]

using agile engagement?

scatter shot does stay through swapping though

[crimson pebble]

Thats something im also having happen w the bolt pistol it feels really proper at heresy but just barly doesnt 1 tap a lot of stuff at damnation maybe placebo

[crimson pebble]

You wouldnt need scattershot if using weapon specialist as im p sure its a guaranteed crit procing manstopper anyway

[coral willow]

you kinda want manstopper to gain full advantage of the stupid damage

2nd part is actually getting the crit since outside of WS thats quite hard to do

im thinking about running runngun for decreased spread but zealot also has the dodge

[zenith helm]

guys what perks and blessings am i looking for on an evi 15?

[coral willow]

rampage+savage/wrath

if you like crits probably rampage+shred idk

[zenith helm]

ty

[midnight totem]

more crit never hurt, especially if you're already using manstopper

so crit from weapon specialist, reload or swap back, scattershot will be there for your next shots if you just reload or if you don't build enough weapon specialist stacks

[fiery wave]

Non auric

[mortal horizon]

Ya sorry was in a match, this is the build im using rn

it just feels like with lots of hot swapping and the free ammo, double barrel isnt needed. I could drop Always prepared - it but it only gets me 1 point, and its kinda nice. Im thinking maybe manhunter/scattershot is better for the ability to get more consistant crits when swapping quickly (not getting 4-5 stacks of weapon specialist)

i also have some issues with bulwarks with the build and thinking maybe i should swap to krak grenades

[midnight totem]

krak grenades are always nice, but I like frags with the shotgun because it can give you more breathing space to reload

also deal with ranged gunners

[crimson pebble]

You can also just forgo reloading entirely by just getting melee kill switch to gun dont shoot get and get another melee kill

[mortal horizon]

ya true

[mortal horizon]

ya this is what im doing a whole lot

which is why double barrel feel meh

so im trying to think about what the best blessing otherwise would be

[crimson pebble]

Man stopper for sure then scatter shot or full bore imob

[mortal horizon]

i guess full bore good for boss dmg, close range elite killing

ya i like full bore now that i think about

scatter shot maybe too

ok 1 more question for now, if using stealth - i never do im a shout guy but wanna try it.
are there any must-have augments?

surprise attack seems good...and overwatch? is the cooldown worth the +1 charge

also hunters resolve seems nice, 10s is a long time

its just very point intensive

[crimson pebble]

I usually do all of them but hunters resolve

[mortal horizon]

low profile too?

damn i just cant find that extra point lol

oir 2

[crimson pebble]

Because if you do low profile which is my preferred theirs not rlly a point in hunters resolve as nearly everythings going to just run past and not attk anyway

[mortal horizon]

i feel like grenade regen is a must have, and if i go krak nades it only frees up 1 point

[crimson pebble]

This is my go to with double barrel and knife rn

[mortal horizon]

im using rashad or ps6 but knife is good i usually use knife on zealot

[crimson pebble]

I have precog and mercy killer on mine if i wanted to use uncanny itd let me pull a point off the bleed node

[mortal horizon]

i always uncanny on knife but again on zealot

interesting tho thanks ill look at your version

[soft trellis]

I am not doing an auric mission on my Vet... at least not before I have a build that I am comfortable with being able to carry normal damnation solo... :/

[pastel yew]

honestly you'd likely be better off just jumping into auric

even if you're gonna int

fastest way to progress is to be challenged

[umbral parrot]

Yea, you need to get used to how to deal with an unwinnable situation and win.

Also, rate this pls! I am trying to make Infiltrate work!

I feel like this is going to be badass!

[pastel yew]

stamina delay reduction? over like

so many things

what weapons were you looking to use I guess

[umbral parrot]

MK VI Powersword. That Push attack is sooooo good.

[pastel yew]

its pretty dope

[radiant chasm]

Tbh i dont see the point of smokes

With infiltration specifically

[umbral parrot]

Drag dogs and Flamers into close quater melee!

[pastel yew]

though yeah I'd cut the stam regen in the bottom left and either take iron will if you feel you need toughness, or one of the infiltrate nodes

[radiant chasm]

You can just grab the threat reduction after stealth ends

[pastel yew]

I quite like the +1 charge for infiltrate

takes longer to come up but it means you can play super overly aggressive

same with the -90% threat

[umbral parrot]

No one's taking my stamina! Out of the question.... tho i have thought of replacing Marksman/Closequater Killzone for more defensive perks.

[radiant chasm]

I’d take smoke if my build can handle crushers and horde but i wanna cover me and my team

[pastel yew]

it's not even max stamina its regen delay

base vet regen delay is what.. 3 seconds?

.25 is nothing

[radiant chasm]

But infiltration gives me my own cover

[umbral parrot]

45 seconds is meh.

[pastel yew]

always prepared

the weapon specialist node down and left

is also just... almost always really good

[last parcel]

it's just 1s

[pastel yew]

oh dude I am way off

I remember reading something about stam delay being that long

same with psyker

zealots being shorter

is this old info or am I just confused

[last parcel]

may be old

i haven't checked old data

zealot now is .75 and psyker is .5

[pastel yew]

unless vet has changed it's 1.25 then

though the post is a year old

I was remembering stam total

I think

though that's 2... just me having a brain moment

[white minnow]

formerly 1.25 but was buffed to 1 second now

[midnight totem]

Anybody wanna join me and Sneaky for a game?

[faint beacon]

fuck it we ball

Im up may as well

[pastel yew]

how much stamina generates per second

[midnight totem]

join on me, strike team 3

[somber axle]

@faint beacon I joined on James!

I must warn

I have been testing a new funny medic tree

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239820202405920768/1261190994976706620/image.png?ex=66920f24&is=6690bda4&hm=c683e6d8be90c8354fa4b6e98e3a6c9afd27ecb871789661d5817ba3d29ef1bb&

It is exactly as stupid as it seems LOL

[bitter turtle]

Do you guys need a 4th

[somber axle]

wait what am I missing

[faint beacon]

Medic tree

[somber axle]

PFFT

just don't go down!!

[pastel yew]

what is... medic... about this

[last parcel]

what if you go frags for out for blood toughness

[somber axle]

if I keep your toughness fine I will not need to pick anyone up

[faint beacon]

Im going to shame you for not

[last parcel]

born leader

[pastel yew]

also no?

[faint beacon]

running that

[somber axle]

Ok ok maybe this maybe isn't a good medic

[pastel yew]

aaaaaaaaahhh

max toughness

[somber axle]

I keep your toughness good because I am an inspiring person

[bitter turtle]

I think FT might be better

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-look-what-they-need-to-mimic-a-fraction-of-our-power-gif-25672186

meanwhile shout

on its own

[bitter turtle]

the toughness node on that does a lot more than the one on MF

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-exploding-zapp-brannigan-exploding-cowards-gif-12086592

[pastel yew]

wouldnt born leader require you to take

constant damage

[last parcel]

can't ping when the hud's off

[somber axle]

I think you're right but this is my no thoughts head empty attempt at a medic LOL

[pastel yew]

or does it track toughness gained even if you arent gaining any

[somber axle]

I just spam a Kantrael Mk IV Infantry Lasgun into hordes

it'll never run out of ammo anyway

[last parcel]

it still gives toughness at full

[fallow beacon]

whats the dump stat on the catachan swords?

[pastel yew]

thats neat

[bitter turtle]

yea cause its 10% minimum to team per ping kill

[last parcel]

rip reassuringly accurate laspistol

[bitter turtle]

meanwhile the MF node is boosting your own gain mostly

and only 1/7th of that

to team

so not really much medic-ing

[pastel yew]

I wish the scoreboards had a tracker for like

team toughness generated

maybe glory hunter finally not worthless

max regen vet sounds so fucking boring but maybe you're cooking here..

[potent iris]

so it's a bard build

[last parcel]

jingle jangle

[potent iris]

[tame lodge]

It's always™ mobility

[fallow beacon]

thanks

[peak badge]

i pray for dual wielding

[crimson pebble]

Commissar build w out power sword

Banned

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/blink-dishonored-gif-10459872

[peak badge]

I hate it

[umbral parrot]

Yea, this ain't bad at all!

I'm really liking the extra POWER PUNCH against Bosses and Crushers.

I honestly think this is trash. I swapped this out and I am doing much better.

Really, 33% extra cool down? If you're an aggressive player, you're already going to be using it constantly. Not like VoC but still!

[swift bear]

oh baby

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-sad-flute-sadness-gif-10035122

idk how to Psyker

what do you want on a Surge staff for blessings/perks?

I should try to roll one that doesn't have Terrifying Barrage LOL

[livid fractal]

worth a nab?

figure T4 headhunter has no effective benefit over t3

wait shit thats the IV, not the Ia

well, still, worth a nab until i get a good Ia?

imma do it

[somber axle]

Yeah if you don't have a better Mk IV that's worth imo

funny infinite ammo gun

[indigo mural]

Just turned lv30, which combat blade do I need again? The MK VI or MK III

I want to slap specials and ratatata them

Or really what melees do people use? I've been getting somewhat comfortable with the MK IV Assault Chainsword but heard that it wasn't as good as others

[mellow adder]

For the "Make every shot count" penance, does melee count as accuracy?

[last parcel]

mk VI

[last parcel]

you can miss as many melee swings as you want

[indigo mural]

this is acceptable right?

[last parcel]

very

[indigo mural]

my resources went down so incredibly fast jesus christ

For curio's do I just wait for one decent to pop up in brunts shop?

[last parcel]

that's how i do it

[indigo mural]

I could nab this

but I'd need to get lucky with the next 2 perks

I think 🤣

[somber axle]

fun games but wow

I wish I was a Psyker main sometimes

it's so fun

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-won-my-melody-mymelody-the-voices-sanrio-gif-1009808446503329268

[somber axle]

yes they did

[indigo mural]

dummy question

why first shot do 1819

[somber axle]

crit

[faint beacon]

Crit

[last parcel]

CRit

[faint beacon]

Weakspot is Yellow

[indigo mural]

Ah, am I hitting the eyes here?

Ohhhhhh

[faint beacon]

Critical is Orange

[indigo mural]

Ahh ''rending'' is crit chance?

or

[last parcel]

it's a crit and a weakspot hit

[faint beacon]

No just Crit in general

[last parcel]

crit chance is crit chance
rending is bonus damage to armor

long story

someone else do the nerd stuff

[somber axle]

OH SHOULD I TELL THE STORY

[last parcel]

go ahead

[indigo mural]

Yes I am really confused

[last parcel]

jingle

[indigo mural]

why am I critting here

oh wait it's talents aint it

[last parcel]

crit chance is an rng roll

[indigo mural]

i am stoopid

[last parcel]

and you have a base 5% crit

[indigo mural]

My weapons finally do damage, I'm getting emotional

[last parcel]

knife has a bonus i forgot

[somber axle]

Rending affects your ADM (armour damage modifier). Crit is affected by finesse. Weakspot hits are also affected by finesse. Crit and weakspot hits can both receive their bonuses simultaneously toward a single strike for even more damage

[indigo mural]

What's a finesse

I have the finesse

[somber axle]

The value your weapon does as a multiplier when critting or hitting a weakspot

[indigo mural]

A-ha, oke

[somber axle]

your knife should have finesse as a stat

you can view it in the inspect screen by hovering over the bar for more info

oh also since I already copied the rending stuff I'm sharing it anyway

[indigo mural]

a-ha

[somber axle]

Say your weapon has an ADM (armour damage modifier) of 0.5 vs Carapace. Every shot is doing half damage. If you get 10% rending it means now you do 60% damage instead of 50%. But this can translate into more than just a 10% damage increase depending on the weapon and damage value. Say your gun normally does 100 damage per shot but only does 50 vs Carapace. The 10% rending pushes that to 60 damage instead. But that's a 20% damage increase going from 50 to 60

[last parcel]

note that the bonus is only based on the difference between a regular hit and weakpoint hit, so it's not straight up 55% extra damage here

[somber axle]

Rending is only important if the improved ADM helps hit a breakpoint

[indigo mural]

Hmmm okay

good to know

[somber axle]

But rending is also heavily affected by a soft cap where, after you hit 1.0 ADM (100% damage done to an armour type) every +10% rending over that is only +1% damage

[somber axle]

You want first target, finesse, damage and penetration high (in that order) though uncanny alleviates stress off of penetration somewhat

so that's still a solid stat roll even if penetration is low

you've got uncanny IV

[indigo mural]

compared to my previous 300 rating blue weaponry I feel like a damn god right now

[last parcel]

as you should

[somber axle]

do you wanna see something funny you can do with knife

[indigo mural]

is it stabbing

[last parcel]

EXTRA stabbing

[indigo mural]

wow

I think now I'm lv30 I'm old enough to learn what the stims do

[somber axle]

you can do this with knife without a stim

under 1 sec kill time LOL

[last parcel]

#veteran-class message

[indigo mural]

Ohh cancelling your attacks

That's a thing in this game aswell yikes

in VT2 it was effort but so much better

[somber axle]

that vid is just heavy attack -> push attack -> push attack

no cancelling attacks

it's just really fast at stabbing LOL

oh also WATCH THIS

[indigo mural]

thank you

[somber axle]

and one more

gotta pet the recon...

[last parcel]

those last two are meme videos and should not be attempted in a match if you're anything close to normal

[somber axle]

yes

[indigo mural]

I am already going to use this 100%

[somber axle]

the last two are clown antics only LOL

[indigo mural]

that's fast as hell

[somber axle]

but the first one is legitimate

[somber axle]

do this one!

it's not a one shot but it's still very fast

[indigo mural]

yes I meant that one

I'm blind

[thorn lark]

so i follow your advice on my db shotgun + rashad ws build, it worked wonders

[last parcel]

i thought you were dutch

[somber axle]

the surprise attack infiltrate thing is just for funny WoW Rogue memes LOL

[indigo mural]

a blind dutch maybe

[thorn lark]

i shoud find a point to run the talent that gives tg back to other every time i get tg back

[last parcel]

born leader? if you want to run that you just give up the damage boost from for the emperor

[indigo mural]

https://gyazo.com/c23e28648e25caca8ef23b2254067f3f

[mortal horizon]

What knife blessings and perks

[indigo mural]

I'm a bit slow but uh

oh it didnt send

I'm sad

[last parcel]

uncanny, executor, +elite dmg

[indigo mural]

a-ha

but that is pretty much it yes

heavy - spam block hit

[mortal horizon]

Ohh executor interesting. I never use it is it good/worth it? Without it takes an extra attack or?

[indigo mural]

ofcourse the enemies will be moving and stuff, but still

[last parcel]

try it after you stab someone else a few times for uncanny stacks

[mortal horizon]

I’m always using uncanny + precog, reposte, or flesh tearer

[somber axle]

if you get desperado and trench fighter drill you can do it even FASTER

personally I love Mercy Killer most but you need Serrated Blade to make it work

Uncanny is the mandatory blessing

after that you can do Precog, Riposte, Mercy Killer, Executor at your discretion

[indigo mural]

I mean, am already pretty happy with this ngl

[somber axle]

Yeah Precog is fine

[indigo mural]

my psyker was fine with whatever I gave it

but veteran needs the love

[somber axle]

Vet can do many funny things

like 1 shot a Bulwark by shooting them in their shield

or funny revolver shenanigans

ok ok one more vid just because funny agripina shotgun manstopper meme

[thorn lark]

Which I could do no PB. I don't want to give free DMG to others 🧌

[dreamy spade]

I would use my knife vet is the performance wasn't so shocking

I just dont understand

Even when it drops to 60 fps it looks worse, cuz when I play lego stars wars the complete saga at 60 fps its smooth

I seriously dont understand whats wrong with my game but there shouldnt be any issues

[frank ether]

your input lag is more important than the fps

[dreamy spade]

Why would I have input lag

[frank ether]

could be many reasons but one common one is

if the GPU is pushing itsef to the absolute limit

it will make the game really sluggish even if the fps is relatively high

[dreamy spade]

Nah its definitely my cpu that is bottleneck, when my gpu maxes out it coilwhines

[frank ether]

well its your problem

if you can't make sure I can't help

[dreamy spade]

My monitor refresh rate is 165 hz with low response and gsync
I turned down all cpu intensive settings, and low audio settings
Turned on vsync and nvidia low latency + boost
I average 90 fps but it so variable

AND MY GAME IS SO LAGGY

My wifi is also at least 200 mbps upload and download

And all my other games run perfectly fine

There was a brief period where darktide ran amazing for me, butterly smooth, and then after the big update it was back to normal again

[frank ether]

was this brief period happening during when they broke enemy spawns

[crimson pebble]

Going on 15k steel into the manstopper journey

[dreamy spade]

It was before secrets of the machine god, but yeah my fps massively drops when enemies spawn, I mean I play on auric malestrom so its a lot of enemies

[sharp epoch]

doesnt vsync cause input lag

[thorn lark]

Do you have dlss or something like that?

[dreamy spade]

Mods? None

[thorn lark]

Ah nvmd you said your CPU was the bottleneck

[dreamy spade]

It shouldn't but i tried without vsync too

I tried different core number

[thorn lark]

And frame rate cap?

[dreamy spade]

I tried borderless

[thorn lark]

And reflex?

Assuming you run nvidia

[dreamy spade]

Reflex + boost, gsync, vsync

[thorn lark]

I run without reflex boost and vsyinc perf was noticeably worse with

[sharp epoch]

i dont think reflex boost even affects you that much vs off

but vsync does add noticeable input lag

[dreamy spade]

Weird

When I play on cs2 it gives less lag

But the fact I have to check all this when the game literally came with my gpu and I have 13th gen i5 is crazy

[dense fog]

How did you guys complete the "on overwatch" penance

[thorn lark]

What's your GPU?

[frank ether]

then your cpu might be a toaster

for your setup

[thorn lark]

What's your resolution?

[bitter turtle]

by not getting hit

[dreamy spade]

3080

[thorn lark]

Also what's your temps?

[frank ether]

if you want high refresh gaming you need to pair with high end cpu/ram

[bitter turtle]

run laspistol with ghost so you become immune to bullets

and then infiltrate

so you can steatlh when you do get hit

[dreamy spade]

They reach target so like 60-70°

[bitter turtle]

at full toughness

you dont bleed any hp damage

for 1 hit

so u can always mash infil the moment you hear a hit

and clear fine

[thorn lark]

I run dt on a 3060 laptop and Ryzen 5 5900 with no problem:(

But I use dlss...

[dreamy spade]

I have i5 13500kf and 32 ddr4

[thorn lark]

And I cap my temperature to avoid throttling

[dense fog]

Wait if I get hit by my toughness will it count

[dreamy spade]

But even if my specs werent great, its literally a slideshow at some points and half my hits dont register....

[frank ether]

I don't think there is a 13500KF

you mean 13600?

whats your ram speed latency?

what settings are you running?

90 fps is really low for a 3080

[dreamy spade]

Uh yeah

Ill take a screenshot of my settings

Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x 16GB) 3600MHz DDR4 RAM

[frank ether]

is your xmp enabled?

[dreamy spade]

Idk what that is lol

[frank ether]

there you go

[dreamy spade]

I shouldn't have to overclock my ram just to make a game playable bruh

[frank ether]

cry about it

that will fix the problem

[white minnow]

plush moment

[oak widget]

@dreamy spade what are your gibs/decal settings? I had mine maxed out and had dogshit FPS, I turned them down and I get 90FPS stable in damnation hordes

Turn that whole section down and you should notice huge improvements

[dreamy spade]

Did that when the game came out lol

[oak widget]

Oh well, I only just did that after not having played for 2 years so...

[last parcel]

you should check again since updates sometimes reset your settings

[plain escarp]

bad?

[lusty sapphire]

Take headtaker off

[last parcel]

would've been great if penetration wasn't so low
take headtaker

[plain escarp]

nice to get from a mission still, headtaker it is

[bitter turtle]

no

it only ocunts health dmg

i made my meme gun

https://i.gyazo.com/9235f54589a165d08ae76f8e7c922201.png

8% elite 😔

[austere mica]

Mine has 8% elite locked too

Good enough though

[bitter turtle]

for puncture

it can cause it to take an extra tick

to kill dreg gunner

depending on distance

or even outright fail to kill at 10m >

[austere mica]

Is this for Zealot?

[bitter turtle]

no

vet

[austere mica]

Mine has now of these problems

[bitter turtle]

yes

[austere mica]

None

[bitter turtle]

becasue you probably take longshot

[austere mica]

Fuck off autowrong

[austere mica]

Nope

[bitter turtle]

the whole point of running puncture is to avoid taking longshot

idk

you probably run some dmg up besides superiority complex somewhere

[austere mica]

Ignore the red X

Works without MF

[bitter turtle]

yea ur running MF

just saying this happens with that 80 dmg roll at 10m with only super complex as a dmg boost

[austere mica]

Damn

[bitter turtle]

and yea

10% elite doesnt have it happen

lul

[austere mica]

Mine can paste crushers at point blank

[bitter turtle]

10% elite

well

not like im engaging dreg gunners at 10m> with my gun usually so its prob fine

puncture memes

[lusty sapphire]

Or you could get run n gun and oneshot them

Extra dmg for close range shots

Close range being 12.5m

[bitter turtle]

only while sprinting

[lusty sapphire]

Then you better start using them legs

[bitter turtle]

or

i could just use puncture

also this is a funny

[lusty sapphire]

True. I'm just trying to make something out of run n gun on boltpistol. Currently is not to bad. Wish it had stripped down to use with duck n dive + reciprocity

[bitter turtle]

not sure how practical it is

but

you know

its a thing

lol

[last parcel]

they aint seeing this shit coming

[lusty sapphire]

Any respectable darktider starts running weird shit like this at some point in his career

[austere mica]

I don’t have enough brain cells for that kind of bullshit

[lusty sapphire]

That's the trick

You don't need any

You find a weird blessing and add dmg % to make it usable

[austere mica]

You underestimate me

[ancient raptor]

his life is called darktide

[rigid pilot]

Tide god

[thorn lark]

That's not that high

Cyra is above 4k I think now

[lyric dock]

That's still a considerable number of levels

[coral willow]

lacerate uncanny mfers stand up

[stiff glacier]

Only 115 toughness

[lyric dock]

Extra HP does help

[rigid pilot]

Do we have a 5digit true level yet

[coral willow]

do you know what fatshark said to improve mod play thing

[rigid pilot]

You mean freezes

[coral willow]

ye

i didnt do it and now korean chat mod refuess to work so might try that remedy

[rigid pilot]

#psyker-class message

Should be same thing

[coral willow]

dammit its already false

fuck

[rigid pilot]

Read lua logs

Modding discord might have more answers

[bitter turtle]

you know you would have to

hit 4 times on the body

then 5 times on the head

since they are mutually exclusive procs

[last parcel]

just as planned

[dreamy spade]

I enabled it, doesn't go below 100 fps now

100-160 fps

Only 400mhz made that much of a difference?

Also hate that companies advertise speeds but you have to force the hardware to actually go that speed

Like monitors will say 1ms response time but if you actually do that you get tonnes of ghosting

So the conclusion is you need 3600mhz ram speed to actually play darktide 👍

[rigid pilot]

Imagine the 200 dollar per stick RAM sitting in people's computer running at 2633MHz

[coral willow]

for crushers its kinda bad tbh

its still decent cause you could just light 4 times on body and go stab the mauler instead

or since uncanny doesnt get removed like executor just mix in body and headshot

[bitter turtle]

or you could have just hit it

4 times in the head

and it dies

thats alsoa thing

also you know

im thinking unironically run n gun bistol might be good

[shadow aurora]

Even if it is good

It has a lot of competition

[bitter turtle]

it really doesnt

i dont think surgical is very good on bistol

[shadow aurora]

Im not talking about surgical

[bitter turtle]

then what

puncture?

[shadow aurora]

Im forgetting the names fs gimme a second

Ughh

[fiery wave]

[shadow aurora]

Deadly accurate
Point blank
Puncture

All great choices is youre running wep specialist

If youre not

[bitter turtle]

its the opposite imo

point blank is not very good if you are ru nning wep specialist

its only 3.5 seconds

and your first shot is already guaranteed to be a crit

[shadow aurora]

Then surgical should be good

[bitter turtle]

DA is a no brainer ofc

puncture is

idk

i just did a few games with it

honestly i dont think it really matters a whole lot

[shadow aurora]

Puncture has caught me a few kills I wouldve missed

[bitter turtle]

i felt times where "man I wish I could sprint while firing" more than i felt "wow that 2 tick sof bleed killed that guy"

yea

but close range damage can gap it too

[shadow aurora]

Maybe its just my bias. Trying to sprint and shoot feels weird

But i dont think its as effective personally

[bitter turtle]

i mean

we are comparing to puncture

which is already borderline meme

the truth is the 2nd blessing choice for bistol sucks

in general

[shadow aurora]

Puncture is good?

[bitter turtle]

puncture literally exists to add 50 dmg so you can 1tap dreg gunners and flamers without longshot

it doesnt do anything particularly reliable besides that

[shadow aurora]

It doesn't do anything but meet two really important break points

[bitter turtle]

yes

except you can make it up

by spending 1 talent point anyway

which is why a lot of people didnt bother with it

[hearty panther]

well, not '50 damage'

but yes it does trip some breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

you're like 50 short without it

[shadow aurora]

Long shot is a waste if youre taking weapon specialist and if youre not id just take surgical at that point

[hearty panther]

point blank honestly dunno why its on the bistol

[old quail]

u take surgical so u can look at the boltpistol longer

[bitter turtle]

yea i have no idea why you say point blank is good

its no t an agri revolver

[hearty panther]

revo had built in +crit so

[bitter turtle]

u cant magdump your entire thing in 3.5 seconds like agri

[hearty panther]

but just a flat 20% with nothing else isnt really all that great

[bitter turtle]

and on wep specialist the first shot is already gonna crit

so thats a waste of 1 second at least

[old quail]

my favorite blessing is execution

cool conceptually i dont think ill ever need it for anything though

[shadow aurora]

Yeah ok im rethinking that statement and that is dumb idkw i said that

[bitter turtle]

i mean

run n gun as someone says

also lets you gap that missing bp

lol

if you fire while sprinting at least

[hearty panther]

yeah i wanted to really like lethal prox and execution lmao

[bitter turtle]

so it really comes down to just puncture or run n gun

[shadow aurora]

Its only close damage though

[bitter turtle]

surg is just idk

[hearty panther]

melee! fire! take that, dumb heretic!

[shadow aurora]

Which isnt a big issue

[bitter turtle]

close dmg actually works at longer range

[hearty panther]

dont sleep on lethal prox

[bitter turtle]

it just scales down on dmg

but it starts at 12.5m now

[shadow aurora]

Wait what?

[bitter turtle]

anytime it says

"close range dmg"

it works like anointed in blood

dumdum is the same way

[old quail]

😔

[bitter turtle]

i kinda

liked lethal prox

in a way

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-throws-out-his-computer-gif-26050062

[bitter turtle]

just to shoot the bistol and cause stagger

lmao

in melee builds

idk it feels kinda eh though

[hearty panther]

its solid utility

i absolutely was surprised to notice the difference without

[bitter turtle]

yeah

i can believe it honestly

[hearty panther]

and frankly the bistol options are all utility

[bitter turtle]

there were a lot of times

[hearty panther]

so pick what you want

[bitter turtle]

in those few games i played with puncture

i felt like

"i wish I could just shoot thi sand stagger everyone around me" lol

its kinda like a mini voc

[hearty panther]

but staggering a room of gunners with a single shot is very nice

[old quail]

or u could take revolver with its massive suppression on kill smh

[shadow aurora]

I run lethal prox and puncture

[hearty panther]

FFFFFFUCk revo

[bitter turtle]

but idk

i actually felt ultiple times

being able to sprint

whiel shooting on bistol

actually would have smoothed out the gameplay a lot

also then you can run ||skirmisher||

jk

maybe not jk

[shadow aurora]

Guh what that one again

I have not slept

[bitter turtle]

nah

even if you slept

you probably dont remember this

because its something nobody ever takes

5% dmg while sprinting, stacks 5 times

[shadow aurora]

Ive never heard of that in my entire fucking life

Is that a blessing?

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/02f97dd7fc09219752b5ad88446cff21.png

no

its on the tree

lmao

[shadow aurora]

GUH?!

[last parcel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1260013455147270194/4WWAVwf.mp4?ex=669263b9&is=66911239&hm=b8fc8a8bf30ec493b8695f124245f86517dff577a30b91d8e85e63ac94c4fe72&

best talent

[bitter turtle]

you laugh at it

but

run n gun bistolk

sprint for 5 stacks

shoot something

switch to melee

+50% damage with agile

jk

im gonna try it tho

[shadow aurora]

Hold on imma post my bistol tree

[coral willow]

you can light anyone and then go stabbing or better just stab and any missed shot on the body just give s you +4 stacks

is it the highest point you can reach for a knife? no

[shadow aurora]

Chat am i goated

[bitter turtle]

i mean

you alr know how I feel about lacerate

i dont feel like going in circles about this lol

[last parcel]

ultra gigabased

[shadow aurora]

Thanks bestie

[last parcel]

i didn't even notice exploit weakness at first

+10 basedness

[shadow aurora]

Idk if the build is 100% most effective but it slaps ass in auric damnation

[coral willow]

ye its fine

[shadow aurora]

Only thing it struggles with are hounds but thats more of a bistol problem then a tree problem

[coral willow]

just making my 1000th repeat here as well

kek

[last parcel]

🦷 🦷

[bitter turtle]

drive by shooting

and stabbing

[shadow aurora]

I feel very conflicted about this

It looks cool asf

But the thought of putting run and gun on a weapon purposely hurts me spiritually

GOD i wish i was on pc

I want to put a scope on my boltpistol so bad

[coral willow]

i put it on kickback

[shadow aurora]

You seem to commit a lot of atrocities against the weapons of this game

[last parcel]

exactly

[shadow aurora]

You WILL use THESE 2 blessings AND nothing else

[coral willow]

rungun has a hidden stat that reduces spread by 30%.

[shadow aurora]

And you will be HAPPY

[coral willow]

basically trying to reduce spread so the long range specials die in 1 hit

[shadow aurora]

Oh thats funny

Need a slug kickback

[coral willow]

it also works on normal guns but like uh where you gonna use that you cant use that shit on fucking any of the staff, revolvers

[shadow aurora]

That just launches canon balls

Kickback already kinda looks like a canon

[bitter turtle]

idk why they bothered

[coral willow]

thugshot is in the files

[bitter turtle]

to put the close range dmg stat opn

but not the spread

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-pirates-caribbean-of-the-gif-19918274

[bitter turtle]

on the tooltip

i have the feeling its bc of what i mentioned though

[coral willow]

my question as well

[bitter turtle]

every gun tightens spread

when sprinting

just they cant shoot anyway

but it happens

[coral willow]

it seems to do that ye

[bitter turtle]

so maybe they consider it "normal" behavior?