veteran-class

[fiery wave]

Weapons specialist

It’s just always good

[tender pasture]

Huh fair

I enjoy WS the most but I don't see it that often is why

It's just free stats for playing the game properly

[fiery wave]

Marksmen’s kinda ass ngl

Compared to free crits

Second worst penance in the game

[tender pasture]

LoGH?

[fiery wave]

yes

[tender pasture]

You watched both versions?

[fiery wave]

Ye

[tender pasture]

The new one is slicker but damn the OG hits me in a way I can't name properly

There's a slight cornball sincerity to stuff like the FPA anthem

And also, the sheer number of episodes

[echo pendant]

Was wood cutting today until I realized...

This feels way too damn familiar.

[somber axle]

I'd probably guess Focus Target is the most used keystone for hitting breakpoints consistently tbh. Weapon Specialist is for melee Vet/people running Zarona Revolver trying to bypass the awful reload speed. But it's also really, really good with the Double Barrel Shotgun. But I don't think most players even track breakpoints LMFAO so this is probably the most used Vet keystone by far for both really good players going all in on melee Vet or head empty no thoughts Vets who just hate pinging and know the keystone, even without any of the additional talent node modifiers under it, is REALLY good particularly on some meta weapons. Marksman's Focus is really build dependent so it's probably the least used and a lot of people are scared off by the conditional mechanic of maintaining stacks during fights so it's not popular for hitting breakpoints

[somber axle]

They're all good keystones I swear! ...Maybe some better than others for more general use but still

Always good to run a keystone

Not so good to ignore a keystone

[frank basin]

Kill homeless people they are nurgle worshipper

[fiery wave]

You can do some really silly damage with 3 kraks and focus target

[rigid pilot]

You can't say that

[coral willow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1259761631282597920/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2024-07-08_15-42-27.mp4?ex=668cdbf2&is=668b8a72&hm=09c9a82e3b72293a3fb9855a177f012c6caab2d0d25c427cd5a43c9ad2196fe8&

ranged backstab finally useful?

[echo pendant]

Nah, they're alright.

The logs however. I think they're speaking heresy

[frank basin]

What logs?

Oh the tree log

CUT DOWN WITH BLESSING EMPRAH

[echo pendant]

they reek of pestilence...

FOR CADIA

[frank ether]

shredder, indignatus maul, agri revolver

my current favourite loadout

kraks also work I suppose

[fiery wave]

3 kill a weakened bon

[frank ether]

I get sooo soo many reactions out of people nuking bosses faster than a d.claw user kills a crusher

[fiery wave]

Also agri is based

[frank ether]

its pretty caked

the maul is also excellent on veteran

the indignatus got some d.claw 7 vibes to it

I'm having so much fun with it

[coral willow]

parries cool

[echo pendant]

Hmm...

Trumpet for vet

[flat crypt]

Yes they are 😄 They definitely make you more efficient but i just enjoy sometimes running a lazy no-brain all-rounder without having to rely on any specific mechanic

[delicate moat]

it does seem cool

question (i havent completely figured this out): when are u supposed to use the special on the indignatus?

[frank ether]

you can use the special to open up bulwarks and make ragers/crushers easier to bully

[torn glen]

You can use it to open a Bulwark's shield, makes him easier for your teammates to shoot & kill

Interrupting overheads on crushers also if you're fast enough

[frank ether]

I don't know if blessings have any effect but I like to put hammerblow-skullcrusher on mine

If you catch a rager before they start their attack chain there is a good chance you might knock them down

without even needing the special

[torn glen]

The special is a stun, which does ripper-like damage ticks, so that'll proc full stacks of Skullcrusher from 1 use.

I run hammerblow and Skullcrusher

I primarily use the special as a way to bring some stun utility to help teammates

[frank ether]

the one negative is that unyielding damage is really low on them

so while it opens bulwarks really easily its not actually good at killing them, or fighting bosses

[torn glen]

All the damage is on Flak/Carapace.

It's not meant to kill things

[frank ether]

So which is why I pair it with agri revo

[torn glen]

it's a stun

[frank ether]

I'm talking about the normal moveset afterwards the stun

the zap damage is already more than what I thought it would be tbh

[torn glen]

Indignatus stun might open into overhead heavies, I can't remember 100% at this moment

[frank ether]

pretty easy to spam endless overheads with it

[torn glen]

I dont need to tell you that's where your Unyeilding damage comes from.

[frank ether]

I don't remember if the stun has any follow-up combos

its still relatively low unyielding

[torn glen]

You can use the stun to interrupt Gunners / Reapers from firing. So that can save you a bunch of Toughness or HP.

Can't really think of any other reason why you'd use the stun. Shock Maul with the right talents can 1-shot specialists, so theirs's no need to stun them.

[frank basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053823148048527440/1257646428822700253/jack-black-peach_1.mp4?ex=668c6a42&is=668b18c2&hm=00e329fcaa97d12c79c00578779c6174799b28dee806c0c17806decb72cc3fd4&

[torn glen]

Shredder my beloved

I've heard that the Agni is more preffered by Vet's than the Indignatus. It hits harder and scales up higher with Precision Strike's 30% weakspot damage.

[frank ether]

still got to try agni

[last parcel]

i prefer agni because it's the only one hadron likes

[placid portal]

Agni is spikey and Indignatus is bladed one right?

[last parcel]

yeah

[placid portal]

Luv me indignatus, heavy 2 light loop is really fluid compared to agni heavy to light strikedown loop

[lusty sapphire]

What's a good vet talent tree build for my pissgun

[torn glen]

The sprint heavy opens into an overhead on Agni

[lusty sapphire]

I'm rocking this atm which tbf still allows me to delete all elites and specials on the map but I'm asking just in case

[placid portal]

I really miss when exe stance had the ability to reload your gun XD

[lusty sapphire]

For real

Good ol' 30 mag bolters

[placid portal]

Gave to the big man instead lil

[placid portal]

Cavalcade Boltgun builds

[frank ether]

they could at least give us weapon specialist interaction so I could get the WS auto-reload perk smh

[placid portal]

They havent implemented that interaction? Kinda cringe that it doesnt ngl,

[frank ether]

Idk why no one at dev team sees this as a problem

[frank ether]

last I bothered to check exe didn't proc it

[placid portal]

Durrr nobody would use weapon specialist when going left tree 🤓

[frank ether]

weapon specialist gotta be the coolest keystone tbh

[placid portal]

Truth

[frank ether]

shame I don't get to use it as often

[placid portal]

Weapon specialist shotgun combo is fun

[frank ether]

a lot of the weapons I religiously use just synergize better with focus mark

I guess iags do pretty well with WS though

[placid portal]

Gotta love it when you rack the boltgun but it doesnt have ammo so what's the point of doing that other than to waste my time 😔

[frank ether]

exe boltgun with weapon spec's firerate so I can run out of ammo in 1:30 minutes instead of 2

[placid portal]

Honestly if they just made boltgun drawspeed faster it'd be in a significantly better place XD

[frank ether]

well veteran has the tools to make that a non-issue, its just that said tools is in a very jank state

[grand perch]

Tech priest said so, it pleases the machine spirit

[placid portal]

She can shove that thought up her toaster hide, i am going to commit tech heresy

[grand perch]

Introducing: chance to jam

[rigid pilot]

Idk why they won't ever budge on boltguns, plasma heat risk is largely irrelevant

[placid portal]

Ngl bolt pistol does a better job as a marksman rifle over boltgun

[rigid pilot]

Anyone notice the "bug" on DB reload where there's one more reload stage after the ammo is loaded

[placid portal]

I had a phantom reload where I reloaded without playing animation

[frank ether]

iags still have that bug where they just instareload at times

[frank basin]

If the exe stance have reload on cast, I would once again pick it back for memory

[rigid pilot]

Emperor protects

[placid portal]

Also I just found out for the emperor buff applied immediately on activation of infiltration

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/yep-star-wars-prequel-boba-fett-boba-fett-yep-gif-13194669

[junior needle]

It's no longer that piss, although still not quite iag tier. 6d is the least good variant atm though for reasons of noticeably less ammo efficiency and unnecessary utility nerfs. You do want to replace unyielding with flak for general value though. I can cook something for you in a minute. What grenade/aura/ult do you want? Onslaught is only really helpful for crusher killing currently and it's a big investment for that.

Oh I saw your tree post, I wouldn't really recommend exe generally and taking kraks + onslaught is redundant.

Surv is still good to take

I also wouldn't pass up iron will, especially to take nade regen on kill when you already have nade regen over time.

[grand perch]

It's just Ork logic, you slap the bolt and tada gun is loaded

[lusty sapphire]

Yes most of the time it is, unless it's bosses. Then it trivialises any encounter with them but apart from that yeah I just cooked something on the go to make up for the recom's weakness with anything remotely armoured

[junior needle]

All the recons have the same modifiers now and the 6d's are no longer egregiously shit for no reason

Rending strikes is sufficient for everything except crushers, with the points generally better spent elsewhere

Which you can still kill at 10% but it's a bit slow.

[arctic glen]

New veteran reporting for duty.

[lusty sapphire]

Honestly what I like most about onslaught is pubs are no longer helpless sheep again an 8 pack of crushers so I'm inclined on holding onto it

Also on the 6 it stacks up brittleness on whatever you're shooting in record time

[junior needle]

MF with the rending node is also an option for enabling crusher killing without going out of the way for onslaught

10 stack is comparable damage to a 5 stack ping

At least with dumdum tests

[rigid pilot]

Feels rough to get 10 MF stacks on demand though

[idle pecan]

trying to get through auric maelstrom and we just keep getting clapped, is it a skill issue or a build issue

[rigid pilot]

Usually it's the start of a fresh encounter and it's a whole gang of crushers

[junior needle]

That is the downside, but it neatly packages crusher handling with a keystone. There's the crab people node for on demand stacks though

[lusty sapphire]

Will play around with the modifications you suggested, see what works for me

[rigid pilot]

Crab meta

[junior needle]

The 5% crit node is also pretty good value with shocktrooper since it's effectively 9.5% crit with strings.

If you have a spare point and don't know where to put it

[idle pecan]

@junior needle you know your stuff, is my build shit or is it a skill issue

[junior needle]

Build looks fine, sunder MAY be preferable on mk3 peesword now

I'd say shreds over kraks

If you're REALLY inclined to take onslaught deadshot ciag

You are already obliterating armor with your gun, shreds help immensely as a panic button

Deadshot ciag is definitely a meme choice as you run low pretty fast

[idle pecan]

was thinking of taking shredder nades, but how would i deal with crushers and bullwarks efficiently

[junior needle]

Bulwarks drop their shields when they melee

[idle pecan]

i already run out of ammo fast lmao

although thats definitely a skill issue

[junior needle]

Run low in stamina, excuse me

Is the issue that you go down or that your team wipes before you do?

[idle pecan]

usually out zealot will down and on our way to save him the rest of us go down

[junior needle]

The classic

[idle pecan]

i myself typically take the least damage, but once the tank goes down my squishy ass follows

god i wish duty only ends in death wasn't dogshit

[junior needle]

Sounds more like a team cohesion issue, but if you have trouble going down when the attention on you then full stam curios are not helping you there

[idle pecan]

my curios are dogshit tbh

what would you reccomend for curios for me

was thinking 2 tough 1 stam

[lusty sapphire]

Health/toughness/stam is the way to go on a powersword tbf

[junior needle]

With overshout, iron will, and COD you already have as much survivability as the tree can really get you

[rigid pilot]

If running knife I would consider stam, other than that probably not required imo

[junior needle]

Hmm, I don't use the peesword or block that often so I can't really say what's optimal there

I also used to run 3x toughness on my vet

But health helps with corruption and bursters and pure toughness is a bit less forgiving

[rigid pilot]

Stam is nice if you love being mobile and sprinting parallel to gunner lines and flanking

[idle pecan]

would you reccomend a better melee weapon?

been trying to reroll for a good cadia chainsword

[junior needle]

Do you struggle when alone in melee when using the peesword?

[idle pecan]

kind of

[junior needle]

Then yes

[idle pecan]

alot of the time the psword will just turn off

like

i activate the ability

swing once

turns off

but i have power cycler 4

????

[junior needle]

Blocking turns it off

[last parcel]

did you get hit

[idle pecan]

getting hit turns off the psword?

[junior needle]

That sounds like it sucks if so

I wouldn't know, I play zealot with the no stun node

[rigid pilot]

Getting hit turns it off yea

[junior needle]

[idle pecan]

thats dogshit

[junior needle]

I agree

Fatshark balancing weapons with jank

[rigid pilot]

There's no reason for it yea

[idle pecan]

fatshark trying to find every reason to fuck over vet

[rigid pilot]

Peesword has the weirdest skill curve ever

[junior needle]

You need to be able to survive in melee indefinitely on your own

[rigid pilot]

It's the hardest to use melee until it's the easiest to use braindead melee

[junior needle]

At least if it's just chaffe

[regal aurora]

fat shark? more like, fart shark. cause they be shiddin' on vet.

[fiery wave]

Comedy

[rigid pilot]

Crab seemed to be convinced that it was balanced back when he was still around

[fiery wave]

Psword melee vet kinda busted

[idle pecan]

vet went from the best class in the game to the most subpar class in the game

he CAN be good

[rigid pilot]

That's crazy

[fiery wave]

Are you delusional

[idle pecan]

kinda

[fiery wave]

Ogryn got shot in the legs

[rigid pilot]

Fotf lol

[fiery wave]

Zealot nerfs aren’t even finished

[junior needle]

Melee vet with WS is really strong

[idle pecan]

why are they nerfing everything wtf

[rigid pilot]

Vet also has the best tree In the game

[fiery wave]

Because if they don’t, every enemy needs a doubled armour pool

[junior needle]

Yeah zealot got a big nerf with fotf and then the crit cdr node

[fiery wave]

Fotf was a mechanical buff for melee

[junior needle]

Wasn't it 100% rending to 100% melee rending?

[rigid pilot]

It was armor downgrade to rending g

[forest maple]

How is this roll?

Any good?

[junior needle]

fatshark in charge of accurate patch notes

[rigid pilot]

It's accurate

But not the full picture

They just assumed everyone didn't know how fotf did armor downgrade

[fiery wave]

Heavy laspistol was zealot meta

Just for the flak crushers

[junior needle]

Am I missing something, or wouldn't "Armor downgrade to 100% melee rending" have been actually accurate?

[fiery wave]

If you could click fast you could kill 6-8 crushers in 3 seconds

Needed the nerf

[junior needle]

Dunno about that 6 crushers in 3 seconds even if it became flak, you'd need a solid amount of juice for that.

[fiery wave]

Heavy laspistol god roll my beloved

[rigid pilot]

Because of rending maths, this actually matters for some melee weapons

The ranged armor downgrade is also totally gone, it's probably a fatshark way of patching out the ranged part of fotf

[lusty sapphire]

@junior needle so I know you said about how krak and onslaught is overkill. But I just had a monstrosity specials maelstrom and it was the time of my life

[idle pecan]

monstrosity specials should not exist

its awful

[lusty sapphire]

It's great

It's actually the second best after melee only maelstrom

[junior needle]

It's overkill for crusher killing, on bosses onslaught barely adjusts the adm's to unyielding

It's something like 80% now?

With rending strikes you're at 90%

So only 10% before the fat DR hits

[lusty sapphire]

I have a mk6 powersword too with pc4 and bromentum 4

It was great fun, the only reason why I didn't top dmg is an ogryn with pickaxe

[idle pecan]

is the mk6 powersword better than mk3?

[lusty sapphire]

At single target dmg yeah

And even in hordes doesn't fall that much behind the mk3 but now with the sunder buff the mk3 heavy spam outputs a LOT of dmg

[coral willow]

uh, depends

[idle pecan]

it it possible to get 3 heavy attacks with psword mk3

in the energized window

[coral willow]

yes

easy

[rigid pilot]

Idk if sunder PS3 is better than brumo

Probably better for mixed hordes

[coral willow]

bruno can still try to kill 4 ragers with stelf so idk

[bitter turtle]

You have a power sword

Hit them with sword

[bitter turtle]

Generally it's considered better because of the high finesse push attack mostly

3 is a good weapon still

[bitter turtle]

Not taking precision strikes is a mistake

I don't suggest deadshot ciag if you're not good enough at the game to clear auric mael, it encourages accurate burst firing to abuse extremely high finesse damage to drop most elites and no panic yeehaw full auto that would drain your stamina bar to 0

[junior needle]

Agreed

Which is also bad if you need to block

Like if you're using a weapon with relatively poor mobility

[bitter turtle]

I also dont think onslaught is worth

but if you insist on keeping it

https://i.gyazo.com/5f983e9b3b4e4e5b447ce876a0bcf745.png

do this instead imo

if you're strugging to stay alive wep special will help your melee game a lot

that being said its worse than not taking onslaught

if you're comfortab le with stabbing crushers to death

[junior needle]

comfortab le

[bitter turtle]

honhonhon i am le spy

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-mom-bingus-spy-tf2-your-mother-gif-19504486

[lusty sapphire]

Honestly tho? Why not make it a point investment for fotf to have ranged rending?

Would give zealot a bit more variety than the current revolver/bolter meta

[bitter turtle]

because the armor downgrade was busted

[lusty sapphire]

Not armour downgrade

Rending

[bitter turtle]

we need less rending

not more

handcannon should go too

functionally you're making the same argument

"why shouldn't every single ranged weapon kill crushers"

[lusty sapphire]

Well right now every zealot and their mothers runs stuff that can kill crushers at range

[rigid pilot]

It would, but it would also invalidate those weapons

[bitter turtle]

they could use one of the 6 or 7 melee weapons to kill crushers instead

[rigid pilot]

When you can do laspistol vs crushers

[bitter turtle]

half the time in this channel if someone asks "but what about crushers' the answer is "use your fucking melee"

idk why zealot is special?

[lusty sapphire]

That is also true I can see that becoming the issue

[coral willow]

i just want a melta please

[rigid pilot]

Invalidating bolters is an issue?

[last parcel]

all zealots players are special

i should start playing zealot

[coral willow]

thammer be better at crushers pls

[bitter turtle]

thammer needs to be better at

literally everything

its just shit

[coral willow]

it does

fine

on most accounts

at single target killing

not crushers tho

[bitter turtle]

maybe ironhelm against elites

i dont call crucis fine against most elites though

[rigid pilot]

Also unrelated but it hardly sells the zealot fantasy if fotf into a evis heavy vs one crusher is objectively less effective than dumping a mag into a crusher group

[coral willow]

crusis doesnt exist

[coral willow]

this is why i dont follow BT evi can deal with crusher hordes
its too slow to be effective imho

[rigid pilot]

Crucis has so many limitations for a weapon that kills crushers slower than a knife

[coral willow]

crusis really just needs beeg damage

just make it a meme idk

[bitter turtle]

the powered light

should at least kill ragers

it doesnt even come close

for an attack that self stuns you

[rigid pilot]

The afterglow doesn't belong either

[coral willow]

it being heavy attack focused is fine on ironhelm

just not ever fine on crusis tho

i do agree that lights should get a better special damage though

[lusty sapphire]

Does crucis powered heavy still get stuck on a mere groaner?

[coral willow]

yes

which is why 60% of hammer users stick to ironhelm

[bitter turtle]

yea

[lusty sapphire]

Fucking hell

[bitter turtle]

honestly i think irojnhelm shoulkd at least stagger a grou pof ragers when you special into them

[rigid pilot]

Ironhelm

[bitter turtle]

if not kill more than 1

[coral willow]

add back aoe special :/

[bitter turtle]

its such a clunky special

[coral willow]

ironhelm is a goat tbh

fun melee with decent stats

still mad at it sometimes not being able to kill crushers in 1 shot tho

[rigid pilot]

Imo the game has slowly evolved into "20 ragers how about that" and TH is a relic of the past

[coral willow]

braced auto spammm

[rigid pilot]

Sure ironhelm H3 CAN oneshot ragers without activation but

[coral willow]

it has bad maniac ADM doesnt it?

good luck with that kek

[rigid pilot]

I think with max thrust and max headtaker and max melee 5 things zealot talent you can

[coral willow]

wel you did miss desparation and backstabber so the damage can be strengthened even more

even if backstabber kinda never works for elites

[rigid pilot]

Meanwhile zealot crusher weapon eats ragers for breakfast in exchange for worse boss damage, I would take that anyday, until I wake up a daemonhost

[coral willow]

thammer not aiming proper cant dispatch a DH before the guy is dead anyway kek

thammer obrian

also i need

[rigid pilot]

The sucky sucky animation gives you enough time for one last fotf thrust heavy if you missed some here and there

[bitter turtle]

you "can" yea

[coral willow]

thrust 4 give me

[coral willow]

see easy

god dammit

this is why i kek here cause icant do teeth

[rigid pilot]

The H2 demolishes ragers it's craY

[coral willow]

it is

but i need

thrust first kinda

[rigid pilot]

If zealot gets duelling sword or pickaxe it's over for the other classes

[bitter turtle]

just gotta stack sustained+slaughterer and sneak up behind a rager, swing to whiff twice and bonk him

ez

[coral willow]

gimme mk5 DS

and ill use it

or a shovel

[rigid pilot]

Zealots have shovel at home

Sauls

[coral willow]

you can push to immediately skip to H3

[coral willow]

true.

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-bob-odenkirk-saul-goodman-not-bad-makes-sense-gif-4446496

[coral willow]

i feel like my ogryn journey just gets summed up in like

shield rumbler zealoting

[rigid pilot]

There's no zealot playtester whispering honeyed words into the dev ears to massively buff zealot weapons every other patch

Unlike ogryn weapons

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-whisper-patrick-lick-gif-9104931

[coral willow]

shield is cool tbh

brutal momentum

[lusty sapphire]

[fiery wave]

I couldn’t be beaten with a ds4 on zealot

[rigid pilot]

Shield buffed
Paul buffed
GG buffed (reverted melee buff )
Kickback buffed
Achyls buffed

[fiery wave]

Even smykers couldn’t output that much damage

[rigid pilot]

Smykers more like smhkers

[uncut pebble]

Dsmk4 on zealout would be insane for assassin setups and crit builds... I shudder to see the damage numbers that would be possible with that...

Though I stand by my idea that psyker needs a force greatsword.

They could just rip the animations from kerillian's greatsword from vt2 and I'd be happy with it.

[fiery wave]

Hehe one shot

Better than backstab knife

[rigid pilot]

I still want a bretsword of some kind

[vocal jasper]

Guys im trying to go for some fun build in normal damnation, do you have any that are worth to try? (Im auric revolver main but it got boring)

[pseudo fiber]

Do weapon specialist with the new double barrel with manstopper and the crit boost blessing

Melee can be whatever I like either chainsword, shovel or shockmaul

[placid portal]

Amazing Brunt was selling a +3 stamina curio

[last parcel]

inb4 it’s a fake +3

[toxic leaf]

rashad weapon specialist has completely changed my game on veteran

yall werent joking

[placid portal]

?

I just got a mk4 lasgun but I don't get how it's great, feels like I'm shooting but not damaging them like in table top XDDD

[hardy ember]

Simple. Don’t use those lasguns. Use the new buffed recon or auto guns

[midnight totem]

Stamina curios that are base level 76 aren't real +3

[placid portal]

damn

[placid portal]

it's 77 so it's real then right?

[uncut pebble]

???

You're telling me this is yet another case of fatshark lying to us?

Is it actually like 2.5 stamina?

[dusty sluice]

Any important talents for double barrel, also how does it even do on vet

[lusty sapphire]

Weapon specialist

[crimson pebble]

Best for vet imo

[placid portal]

prefer buckshot shotty imo

[lusty sapphire]

Dance of death zealot uses it well too

[uncut pebble]

Weapon specialist, get always prepared, have manstopper, win.

[dusty sluice]

Its silly tho

[placid portal]

that's... kinda the point, Buckshot + Manstopper+ Flechette for mini fragging

[uncut pebble]

Flechette?

[placid portal]

yes

[uncut pebble]

Never seen someone use flechette on it.

[placid portal]

meme build ofc

[uncut pebble]

Then don't recommend it as a serious build?

Goofy.

[dusty sluice]

Lawby like this was so fun

[midnight totem]

Yes

[placid portal]

Buckshot manstopper just makes hoardes disappear instantly which is neat

[dusty sluice]

Also deadly accurate or surgical for bpistol?

[placid portal]

yes

[uncut pebble]

Both.

[dusty sluice]

But bleed for bps :3

[placid portal]

But I sure do like acupuncture

[uncut pebble]

No.

Until puncture can work with lethal proximity and the explosions themselves, then it's not going to be ideal.

[placid portal]

boltpistol draw animation into hipfire is the most based thing you can do

[midnight totem]

Basically yeah. The value shows up correctly on the stamina curio itself but internal calculations ingame round it down

[uncut pebble]

WE LOVE FATSHARK LYING

[placid portal]

damn Mla variant feels great

[lusty sapphire]

So it rounds down to 2??

[midnight totem]

Yes

[lusty sapphire]

Well damn

[placid portal]

Shit I think I'm genuinely incapable of aiming, I can't see shit

[lusty sapphire]

That's why they gave vet wall-hacks

Use em

[placid portal]

What's worse is the holosight outlines are too bright

[forest maple]

Guys, how up to date is the info on the Veteran_Guide.pdf?

does it still apply?

[midnight totem]

Yes

[forest maple]

thanks

[fleet thicket]

guys

is dfamage and only thing you care about on this gun?

[placid portal]

One thing I have mixed feeling for counter fire is when you can get refresh from shooters is great but also sucks since it clutters your sightline when you wanna shoot elite/specials

time to try out a weapon in auric
To whoever that will fail their mission from me throwing bc I'm not skilled, I am not sorry

*unless I barrel ledge

[fading basin]

How do the shockmauls feel on vet? wanting to make a build for my vet at 30 finally but not sure what to fish for melee wise tbh, never really jived with power swords

[midnight totem]

Shock mauls are more like chainswords

Except you don't power them up

[fading basin]

i've enjoyed the indignatus on zealot, just wasn't sure how it felt without the 600 melee buffs i'd have over there

[midnight totem]

They're perfectly fine lol

[pseudo fiber]

They're good yeah

I think the Mk1 is a little better on zealot though because of the attack speed buff you can get

[fading basin]

thankies 💜

[rigid pilot]

does bistol have damage falloff at range?

[bitter turtle]

they are excellent

great new addition to vet as a melee that requires very little melee talent tree investments to work well

even with almost nothing dedicated to your melee it can take out any enemy type except bosses

they dont do much dmg to unyielding so theoretically if you were solo killing a bulwark with only your melee it takes a while

but

the shock special drops their shield instantly from the front

so you can open them up and gun them down easily

[bitter turtle]

it is outdated by a few patches but most of the info is still fine, what were you thinking about in particular

[proper delta]

What do I want on vet curios? Toughness, toughness regen, stamina regen?

[idle swallow]

Vet doesn't need gunner/snipers resists as much since you're already in a anti-shooter role most of the time so I usually take toughness and then extra dockets cuz I need that MONEY

[toxic leaf]

toughness and stamina +3

[pseudo fiber]

Greed I love GREED

[forest maple]

I was just checking my whole arsenal for optimal blessings/perks for each weapon i'm using and cross-referencing

was surprised that slaughterer wasn't an option for power sword

and things like sunder where up there

but maybe it doesn't really need it. I can't argue with the testers

[proper delta]

90% of damnation run wipes end because someone goes for a suicide rez

In my experience

[forest maple]

can you get weakspot hits with the plasma gun?

[crimson pebble]

Ya

[bitter turtle]

slaughterer is just a bad brutal momentujm

that's why

its nothing to do with not needing more dmg

ti just functionally does worse than bromentum

sunder's purpose is to cleave elites but horde clears worse than bromentum

[forest maple]

must have missed something in the time i was away from the game because slaughterer used to be BIS together with cycler

[bitter turtle]

brutal momentum basically actually says do 4x your damage

the way it works is

if you kill something on a weakspot hit

it spills over the full damage onto the next person

and if that person gets killed

the next target also takes full damage

[forest maple]

so between sunder and brutal momentum T4, i should grab brutal?

[bitter turtle]

up to 4 targets on a light

either is fine

sunder lets you stagger ragers/maulers

in a pack

but it does worse at hordes

bromentum kills hordes very erfficiently

but does worse on elite packs

pick the one you value more

there is nor eason to use slaughterer though

it does nothing better than either

[forest maple]

i see, thanks for the info

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

here

if u want to see video demonstration

[forest maple]

i see, thats strictly for weakspot kills. About sunder, it says it increases cleave AND heavy attack damage on energized hit. Is the cleave universal or does it mean for heavy attacks only?

[bitter turtle]

cleave is universal

and

you should always

be aiming at weakspots

psword has perfectly horizontal attacks

there is really no reason not to be

the heavy attack thing just got added this patch

presumably to buff mk3

since mk6 doesnt use heavies

[forest maple]

so sunder increases cleave for all attacks, plus 20% extra HA damage on energized hits?

[crimson pebble]

Is the push attk a light or heavy

[forest maple]

got it

[bitter turtle]

prett yusre its a light

[fleet dust]

Hey i cant find the "Make every shot count" Penance
anyone know why?

[bitter turtle]

i don tunderstand the problem

is it like what

a missing square in your list?

[fleet dust]

yea im looking rn under penances and its not there

ive been trying to get it but no luck

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/f4335ffe1c49752167ee08dad36dd59e.jpg

[fleet dust]

i can see the armor piece id get for that penance but i cant find the penance itself

[bitter turtle]

is there

idk

[fleet dust]

oh its up there

ok nvm im just blind nvm xD

is there any way to see my accuracy in the match?

[bitter turtle]

hbi

no*

[crimson pebble]

Just use revolver w a bad ammo modifer and try and queue in a match w no other vets

[fleet dust]

im currently playing with a bolter and trying to do it

[bitter turtle]

i got it first tr y just taking revolver and spamming all my shots into poxwalkers

and playing melee rest of the game

[fleet dust]

tried it with a revolver already

[bitter turtle]

dont do it with bolter

[fleet dust]

ah ok

[crimson pebble]

Real

[bitter turtle]

yes

a vet even had surv in my team but ti didnt matter lol

[fleet dust]

ill try with a revolver then

[bitter turtle]

i just emptied my rounds every time i had a few

tho i did try to stay away from him as much as I could

[fleet dust]

had the same thing last round and i though i hit mot of my rounds due to me almost always seeing the hitmarker lol

[bitter turtle]

i just got into melee with a horde

and just shot them at point blank

there is no reason to take a risk

and shoot from long range

[fleet dust]

same here

[crimson pebble]

Itll hitmark on near hits because stagger from bolter

[fleet dust]

i usually wait for a monstrositie and put all my bullets in there

[fleet dust]

ah ok

[crimson pebble]

Speaking of which daily bitch and moan post on why they didnt give bolt pistol pinning fire

[worldly root]

accuracy penance is very easy with the plasma gun

just full charge all shots

[fleet thicket]

guys

is there anything more clunky

than achlys axe

holy shit this thing is hard to use

[rigid pilot]

power sword

[fleet thicket]

ehhh no?

specially that you cleave through everything?

this thing needs to proc BM to horde clear?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

Personally like how it feels, but definitely not on Vet because attack speed

[bitter turtle]

you're doing heavy -> PA right?

[fleet thicket]

PA?

im goind heavy block cancel

[bitter turtle]

push attack

that works too ig

[fleet thicket]

you see it doesnt have much

stamina XD

at least

it got the fastest lights

[bitter turtle]

you could try QQ instead

if u dont wanna push attack

i felt it was much smoother than block cancelling

[proper delta]

is vet guide accurate for plasma? I want gets hot then either gloryhunter or blaze away?

[pseudo fiber]

I don't think blaze away is as desired but you'd have to ask the players better than me

[bitter turtle]

yes

gets hot is the most impotant one

blaze away might help you meet some bps if your stats arent ideal on successive shots but its not exactly reliable

it is the only other damage option though

if you dont care for that

then gloryhunter is a solid defensive option

[proper delta]

cool cool

anyone got a build link for it?

i've never run it giving it a whirl

found one nvm

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c74c8ea-88aa-4262-9669-de239ccebaaf/plasma-rampage?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

do i actually wanna use this charge at all? this youtuber says no

but theyre a youtuber

[wary galleon]

what shock hammer is best?

im not sure where the types lie in that family group.

[pseudo fiber]

Shock maul?

[wary galleon]

yea that one!

[pseudo fiber]

The mk1 is better single target mk3 horde clear

[wary galleon]

due to the swing patterns as well no? i see the agni mk has alot of overheads

[pseudo fiber]

That build seems fine
Shredder, shout, focus and the usual nodes is basically a good plasma build. Use whatever melee I like chainsword but some people like psword

[tame lodge]

The tradeoff of charging is not worth it atm

It's also the only way you can explode

[proper delta]

I have never rolled a psword I’ll gamble on that next I suppose

[proper delta]

I like Agni , Light—> heavy for hordes and heavy—> light for bonks

The cc is so nice

[wary galleon]

you mean agni right?
those are good swing patterns! i like that its versatile.

hmm think thats a good one to farm. which blessings would you say are best for it?

[proper delta]

Most people say skullcrusher and then something like high voltage or lightning reflexes or I think thunderous but I’m not sure about that one

I like lightning reflexes it’s cool

[pseudo fiber]

High voltage
Skull crusher or lightning reflexes is what I mainly see.
Damage or utility you decide (I have both!)

[proper delta]

I think people say lightning reflexes really can save your ass blocking ragers

[pseudo fiber]

Oh yeah

[wary galleon]

lightning reflexes look like a great talent if you got the skill
oh yea against ragers it sounds like a really clutch feature

[frank basin]

Total Veteran Death

[wary galleon]

opportunist seems good too in combination

[proper delta]

But I think high voltage combines for the most damage

I personally prefer control over damage in most cases but a lot of people do not

[wary galleon]

i kinda wanted opportunist and high voltage, but what do you think about this one?

[wary galleon]

yea i can agree with that, on my stealth vet i just run a light combat axe. the control it gives me is enough to survive the worst shit compared to my teammates due to the speed alone.

[proper delta]

im not really the guy who knows about the lower tier stuff i am just recommending what I see people say to roll on it

i run this

[wary galleon]

thats fair! i have not much experience with it yet so im just asking who ever ^.^

[proper delta]

wish the perks were different but it's a stagger stick anyway so i dont think it's a huge deal

[wary galleon]

stik go bzz

oooh i just rolled this one 🤩

hammerblow seems good too

[proper delta]

Put skullcrusher on that and you’re good to go until you get a better stat roll

[wary galleon]

hell yea

[wary galleon]

like so no?

[bitter turtle]

high voltage is required

i use skullcrusher on 2nd

[placid portal]

Glad to know high voltage is a good pick for shockmaul

I kinda just went on intuition to hope that I'm right XDDD

[proper delta]

Oh high voltage is required over skullcrusher?

I’ll correct what I tell people ty

[fleet dust]

just had someone who got somehow really mad that i wasnt playing as a sharpshooter veteran on heresy difficulty it wasnt even auric

[midnight totem]

They both good

[mental cloud]

And here I thought you were in charge of the 101st

[proper delta]

vet guide says you want surgical and onslaught for blessings on helbore, is onslaught = no respite? I don't see onslaught with my show hadron blessings mod

[fleet dust]

im playing a commissar built rn lol

[mental cloud]

What ever you say general. It’s none of my concern. 🤣

[proper delta]

im gonna swap brittleness to gloryhunter or blaze away, which perk should I swap and to what?

[torn gorge]

i believe it was renamed to weight of fire

[pseudo fiber]

Change specialists. To what it depends. Check your breakpoints in meat grinder

[proper delta]

i think i want either flak or carapace-- i know carapace is for crushers, do you know which breakpoints change for flak?

i gotta get that mod that lets you test stuff in the psykhanium

[pseudo fiber]

Gunners, all general scab enemies. Mauler chest pieces.

[proper delta]

ty

yeah i think i can spare the crushers an extra shot since the first knocks them on their asses anyway

[radiant chasm]

Weight of fire

[proper delta]

tyty

plasma gun is high key insane

[radiant chasm]

Tbf without mods you can still check BPs for non monstros

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah it's one of the best weapons in the game lmao

[proper delta]

can't believe i never rocked it lol

[pseudo fiber]

It used to be really really bad though.

[proper delta]

thought it was more like a rocket launcher than a roided swiss army knife

[proper delta]

yeah but i gotta actually put the perk on to see the difference

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah it does do everything

[torn gorge]

really bad is an overstatement

even at release

[pseudo fiber]

Eh it wasn't great

[proper delta]

wish the bolter were as blam blam blam

[dusty sluice]

woud this be good for double barrel/melee vet?

[pseudo fiber]

Take this

[proper delta]

yes always prepared goated

[dusty sluice]

oh wait i subconsciously grabbed the stam node lol

[pseudo fiber]

The stam node is good

[proper delta]

always prepared makes the swap builds SO fun with like every quickswap gun

im trying to make it work with the agri revolver

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah it's really fun with the shotgun too so

100% always prepared

[midnight raptor]

It simply just works

[proper delta]

i want good blessings on it tho 🙂

also wish it penned

[pseudo fiber]

Run and gun terrifying barrage for you

It used to.

[proper delta]

run n gun lethal proximity bolt pistol with always prepared is SO fun

pocket sand

[midnight raptor]

I’ve yet to get lethal proximity so I’ve got no clue how it actually feels in use

[proper delta]

it's really fun because you can hit the aoe point blank on a swap any time with always prepared

it doesn't proc puncture on the aoe tho which is really lame

cause that would be SICK

[pseudo fiber]

It's good for stagger

[proper delta]

pocket sand

[pseudo fiber]

The three main bolt pistol things are
DA surgical crit headshots
DA puncture for bleed
DA lethal for stagger.

Deadly accurate is just that good.

[proper delta]

we are in conflict

slap DA on your bolt pistol and you spend your whole playtime wishing it were the zarona

put run n gun on it and you can sprint around like a maniac headshotting from the hip

[pseudo fiber]

I like DA because it let's me reliably 1 hit gunners with weapon specialists crit boost

[proper delta]

oh actually i did forget about that i don't run DA on zealot boltpistol

imma try it w/ run n gun

[dusty sluice]

also any suggestions for a onslaught d6 recon las build?

[proper delta]

youre actually so right

[tall torrent]

pretty sure boltpistol doesn't need crit to 1 tap either gunner

only one u might not reach is dreg gunner depending on talent setup

[dusty sluice]

does this work orrr?

[mental cloud]

I would trade for the toughness node after iron will. I run that on my 6D lasgun and it does well.

[tall torrent]

do u rly need onslaught

[mental cloud]

The extra toughness goes a long way.

[dusty sluice]

its silly

[tall torrent]

yea for 1 enemy

[mental cloud]

No but I notice it when it’s not there. That’s all I’m saying.

Could be mental. But I won’t leave home without it on my 6D

[dusty sluice]

deadshot recon las is even more silly

[dusty sluice]

true

[tall torrent]

onslaught really only changes performance for 1 enemy (crusher)

vs everything else it's very small gains

[fleet thicket]

bricked guys 😦

[mental cloud]

That’s enough for me running weapon specialist.

[fleet thicket]

this thing works well with weapon specialist at least

[mental cloud]

But I wouldn’t jump over to onslaught if I wasn’t running weapon specialist

[dusty sluice]

hadron please

[fleet thicket]

let see!

[fleet thicket]

i mean this

[somber axle]

Flak is good and Gloryhunter isn't bad! Depending on your 2nd blessing you could have options there

[terse idol]

Glory hunter is fiine

You got like DA, Surgical available

[somber axle]

If you get DA or Surgical you could easily swap Poxwalkers and Gloryhunter. Even if you don't get either it's still pretty solid and you could do DA to replace the 2nd blessing or go for the meme Puncture build

DA + Deadshot and/or Weapon Specialist

[dusty sluice]

hoping for da + puncture

ok then lol

lmao

[dusty sluice]

would just flakiac be good or would unamr also be good?

[frank basin]

You got good roll just swap GH to DA and poxmaniac to maniac

Every time flaniac

We never escape this meta

[radiant chasm]

Please fatshark drop daemons of nurgle

And make them all infested

[dusty sluice]

it will be a new armour type lol

[tall torrent]

this is not rly true

[radiant chasm]

No need

[tall torrent]

a lot of guns don't want flak + maniac

boltpistol included

[dusty sluice]

or just flak and unarm

[somber axle]

I use mine with Carapace for better Crusher kill potential with a Marksman's Focus, Chink in their Armour and Rending Strikes build with Marksman, For the Emperor and Close Quarters Kill Zone to get a 1HKO on Crushers but for a more normal build using Focus Target or Weapon Specialist I could kinda see Unarmoured being ok. Weapon Specialist is probably going to struggle to hit the Dreg Gunner breakpoint most of the three keystones. Guaranteed crit is nice but between Deadshot and Surgical a Boltpistol usually has guaranteed crit already covered imo

[radiant chasm]

No im specifically saying when more daemons of nurgle (the infantry or elites or whatever) do come out

They should be infested

It will balance the armor types around

[frank basin]

If not lot gun run flaniac then why most professional here suggest perk flak and maniac every gun?

[dusty sluice]

ty

[tall torrent]

which "professional"

[frank basin]

Hmmm… soldier 69 and you, there’s more I can’t remember

[tall torrent]

just because flak + maniac is general purpose doesn't mean it's the way to go on every gun and it really is not the way to go on every gun

[vocal jasper]

save it for the crafting update

[tall torrent]

when did I ever say flak + maniac is go-to on everything lol

[frank basin]

Flaniac activity was spiked in last months

[tall torrent]

if anything elite + flak/maniac is the best on a lot of guns

[frank basin]

See you include flak or maniac

The rest perk being shitted on

[tall torrent]

elite???

lol

now ur just making things up

[frank basin]

I see one of profess just give advise on someone perk they need just flak and maniac

[tall torrent]

it depends on the weapon

[frank basin]

Hearing flaniac daily is tiresome on me

[tall torrent]

I don't recommend flak + maniac on every weapon

a lot of weapons benefit more from elite + flak or elite + maniac it just depends

[frank basin]

I would be judged by someone for picking unarmored + pox

[tall torrent]

yea cuz that's just trolling

[frank basin]

I knew they always flaniac hive mind

[tall torrent]

[frank basin]

Can’t use on my GG unarmored and pox?

Explosive punch go boom

[tall torrent]

if u wanna be different, go be different

[frank basin]

Can’t be different on group of hive mind

Gatekeeping is reality

[tall torrent]

you're just making a problem for urself

pointless complaints

[frank basin]

Ahuh

[shadow aurora]

Neeeeerd

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-meme-radar-gif-26497624

[hearty panther]

oh god its closing in

[frank basin]

Complainer get ban yes I could see why imperium would shot complainer with boltpistol; 1984

[hearty panther]

they've found our mountain dew stores!!

[somber axle]

Poxwalker + Infested Lawbringer Shotgun

[hearty panther]

there's a use case for everything

but in the abscence of a determined playstyle

youre gonna hand out super default advice

[frank basin]

GG wasn’t not means groaner & pox, it were unarmored and infested

Darktide bored me with shitty asia server

Happen to payday 3 recently

[somber axle]

Join the clown Carapace squad

[frank basin]

Chainsword rev on crusher

I do that.

[somber axle]

Crushers exist to be ripped apart on sight

[frank basin]

Carapaces squad just crusher hater

[tall torrent]

and the default varies based on weapon

[somber axle]

Carapace + Elite to double down on Crusher hate pain train

[tall torrent]

it's not flak + maniac spam on everything

[frank basin]

• the bigger they are

Superior complex too

[somber axle]

Exe Stance Rending Strikes Onslaught Recon Mk VId

[frank basin]

Carapace killing

[somber axle]

I want Crushers to look under their bed at night for me

[frank basin]

I use the graia braced auto onslaught on crusher

[somber axle]

I sorta try to turn every and any weapon into a Crusher kill machine

Shredder Autopistol does it surprisingly effectively too

[noble canyon]

If your weapon doesn't kill Crushers, then the next clown car spawns on top of you! Classic Darktide experience.

[marble mantle]

Honestly I just whack them with my indig until they go to sleep

Forever

[somber axle]

The car is dropping me off to kill the Crusher for you

Though lately I'm playing a LOT more Psyker

Infernus + Dum Dum Recon Mk VId with Scrier's Gaze is really fun

[marble mantle]

I’m keeping an eye on you, witch.

[somber axle]

Macabian Dueling Sword IV just feels better than Knife in almost every way

[faint beacon]

You know after refusing to believe a HHA + WS build existed till Path showed me it, I’ve been enlightened on easily one of my new favorite builds in the game lmao

[marble mantle]

WS my beloved

I tried using FT again and I just couldn’t

[frank basin]

all three key stone doesn't fit my gunner build

[pallid jetty]

made a build with a shotgun (the light one), feels good, you can take it as a ref if you want

[faint beacon]

Like I refused to believe the Head Hunter Auto could be built with WS

Apparently it can and it’s really damn good

[marble mantle]

Oh thanks! Will do!

[frank basin]

you got dmr and a melee weapon using on ws?

i treat HH as an dmr long range same with Helbore

not willing use as close quarter combat

[shadow aurora]

This build makes me feel physical pain

No offense

[pallid jetty]

i just ran it on auric maelstrom

not everything must be a glass cannon

[frank basin]

i turn my vet with 202 toughness consider him as a tank

[shadow aurora]

It doesn't have to be but not taking any of the keystone augments is

Ughh

[pallid jetty]

the last point can be put there

the one i put in tdr

[shadow aurora]

That would be significantly easier to look at

[gilded wraith]

Have the perks changed on a Recon 6d post buff?

[frank basin]

recon 6d got buff with fire rate and ammo

[shadow aurora]

From my experience flak and maniac are the best, maybe flak infested

Depending on build maybe even carapace tbh

I guess you could take unarmoured but I wouldn't recommend it

[faint beacon]

Using the Vraks III aka the 3 round burst with a Chainsword atm and I managed to beat our level Zealot in stats so I think I found out my other preferred playstyle lmao

[frank basin]

dmr and sword with ws

do you shoot vark at target close range or far range?

[bitter turtle]

Not really

Flaniac headhunter dumdum/infernus

I finally tested btw and infernus is still worse on 7

[frank basin]

if headhunter then without need infernus

[trim hemlock]

Is Infernus' main niche still anti-Bulwark and monstrosities?

[frank basin]

infernus on recon is somewhat like wannabe Point black barrage fire

[trim hemlock]

But at least one doesn't have to rely on an extensive cooldown period to use it

[bitter turtle]

Infernus just does better at long range

But the dps loss at close range for 7 was not worth from my test

[trim hemlock]

Yeah, fair enough, it's also a "net" range increase

[bitter turtle]

Dumdum literally was 300+ dps boost

[frank basin]

without headhunter you have 5% base crit how much proc you get before target die?

[bitter turtle]

Against soft targets its not really significant which one you pick

[proper delta]

when you're watching youtube videos of people playing and they're moving at light speed is that because their FOV is higher or something

[frank basin]

let see; a gunner

[bitter turtle]

But shooting a mutant or maulrr

You will see a pretty major differenvr

Like I said it was like a 300 dps gap on 7

6 is not as wide of a gap at least

[frank basin]

mostly i melee mutant since they can pop out any corner

[bitter turtle]

Sometimes u have to shoot them for your teammate lol

[frank basin]

depend distance, very close just draw melee out

[dusty sluice]

Hmm

[frank basin]

how about hound?

[frank basin]

plasploder 5000

[shadow aurora]

Shooting mutants feels unsatisfying id rather just club them over the head

Even if they didn't have that melee vulnerability

[frank basin]

with mk4 devil claw ill just slash on their head and theyll die

[sinful swallow]

Now that's a lore accurate plasma gun

[tame lodge]

3 times melee lmao

[frank basin]

my chainswor rev can take mutant health half away

[shadow aurora]

I thought it was 2x

[frank basin]

sometime one hit on rev

[bitter turtle]

Chs rev should 1 hit mutant

[frank basin]

yeah

what about chainaxe

[bitter turtle]

Idk I'd assume so

[frank basin]

since i just wing my xiiig on him take about i think 3-4 swing

2-3 on head

i think melee mutant is easier than dumping bullet on it

except the ogryn slab

that shit taking too long i felt

[faint beacon]

Most accurate 40k plasma gun

[dusty sluice]

whats the blessings best for shock maul

[faint beacon]

High voltage + Skullcrusher

[radiant chasm]

lightning reflexes+ skullcrusher or highvoltage

any of those 3 really

i just highly value the group stun utility you get on top of the damage

[languid dune]

Opinions on perks for the Mk VII Shovel?

Carapace a must and?

Can't decide between Flak or Unarmored for horde clear

[dusty sluice]

whats lightning reflexes?

[faint beacon]

Flak/Maniac imo

Usually Flak

[frank basin]

that califlower cat know every gun doesn't need flaniac on depend. Now the melee is too

[tall torrent]

Carapace + flak

[abstract kiln]

Best blessings on plasma?

[frank basin]

blaze away

[faint beacon]

On timed block it’ll shock enemies

[frank basin]

getting hot

[languid dune]

Blaze away and get's hot are solid

Getting hot

Whatever it's called

[tall torrent]

Gets hot + gloryhunter/blaze away

[frank basin]

if volatile didn't get suck

[languid dune]

Glory Hunter is also solid

[abstract kiln]

Gets hot is the crit one right?

[frank basin]

yes

[languid dune]

Yee

[abstract kiln]

Ok ty

[tall torrent]

Plasma is very strict in roll tho

[abstract kiln]

I bought like 10 plasmas

Xd

[frank basin]

which are they good stats?

or random stats you get?

[abstract kiln]

I have that’s pretty good, lowest stat is ammo tho

Get 120/120

[tall torrent]

Here’s what u need on plasma

78%+ in damage & stopping power
60%+ in ammo
69%+ in thermal resist

+elite dmg perk
+flak dmg perk (maniac works but isn’t as good as flak overall)

Gets hot
Gloryhunter/Blaze away (gloryhunter is better imo)

[frank basin]

always prepare can counter that

[abstract kiln]

havent touched it yet

[frank basin]

what people use maniac against on rager most time?

[abstract kiln]

just got to 30 so need more blessings

[light ridge]

Been trying out Recon Mk 2 vs Mk 7a
Does anyone else feel that Mk 2 is more ammo efficient?

[frank basin]

that can change with swap out volatile to blaze away and 2nd perk to flak; they suggest like that

[frank basin]

some guy who know recon call mk 2 is awful on dmg and ammo effiency, the mk7a does better dmg

[bitter turtle]

It technically is but 7 has cleave

[abstract kiln]

Ok ty will probably just use this one until I hit a godroll

[frank basin]

destiny 2 mentality

[abstract kiln]

Need to find that blaze away tho

[frank basin]

then you buy 30+ more plasma and waste on plasteel

or wait for melk

[abstract kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-anão-suco-accident-trip-gif-13607828

Not fun

[abstract kiln]

Pray crafting system is better than this

New*

[frank basin]

soon

the rework crafting system is weapon mastery

the more you spent using weapon you get exp unlock blessing

and modify your stats weapon with 100 caps stats

[abstract kiln]

Ah I see

[scarlet path]

Oh boy we finally wont have to roll the dice anymore

[frank basin]

payday 3 has this system about weapon mastery, i have to spent lot mission and job to leveling single my weapon to unlock modification

[abstract kiln]

This one I bought my first ever surge staff and my friend was cursing god

[frank basin]

flex that to #psyker-class

wait, does lighting staff work against flak unit?

im confused

[abstract kiln]

No idea

[frank basin]

why put flak on surge?

[abstract kiln]

Idk my friend told me to

[frank basin]

maybe try ask in psyker class

[tall torrent]

2 hit all elites at full charge with all +dmg buffs up

[white minnow]

surge hits body and a bunch of enemies have a flak body

[frank basin]

darktide armor system is weird

[delicate moat]

I don't exactly recall, didn't surge staff want flak + elite?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[frank basin]

flak and elite would high kill on mauler and shoot gunner, then gunner

rager

all falk variant

not sure on dreg shotgunner since hes mostly unarmored and small part of falk armor

that does confused me with surge

[tall torrent]

Dreg shotgunner is flak core

[frank basin]

what a shit design

[tall torrent]

He wears flak body armor what’s wrong with it

[frank basin]

if he look unarmored his inside is pure flak

that trick the player enemy type

[white minnow]

it's not as dark as the scab armour but he is wearing armour

[tall torrent]

He literally wears flak armor on his body

[white minnow]

and at least on this front, this is the one aspect where the game provides the psykhanium and indicates which armour type you've hit

[frank basin]

is that part of the lore?

dreg always wear armor?

[white minnow]

i don't know about lore but i assume that wearing armour is a good idea

[frank basin]

i guess fs perk system is flawed

[tall torrent]

What even gave u the idea that an enemy has to be exclusively 1 armor

[frank basin]

and dreg gunner only has chest plate armor?

[tall torrent]

U can load into meat grinder and check for urself rn

Which body parts are flak and which aren’t

Besides scab trapper & flamer everything is pretty transformative

[frank basin]

yes they just wear suit only

entirely ranged elite wear armor both faction

flak perk dominated every weapn

perhaps

[tall torrent]

Not every weapon needs flak perk either it just depends

[toxic leaf]

ok i just played revamped hab dreyko for hte first time and the final phase is so much better

but i also have zero clue how that interrogator thing works

i tried for like 15s before i gave up and let someone else do it

[frank basin]

i never get chance do that

[midnight totem]

Basically, there are some circles

Move the selector around the circles, until it goes white

Then hit enter/select

Do it three times

If you back out of it, then go back in, the circles pattern is still the same

[austere pine]

godroll or what

[tall torrent]

Low SP, would harvest DA4

[bitter turtle]

You really don't want low stopping

It's more important than dmg I think

[austere pine]

the only one i got that was higher than this was a 70 sp

[bitter turtle]

Especially with ilas godawful flak modifier

[austere pine]

and that one had like a 60 damage

how much sp are we looking at

sp and damage i should ask

[tall torrent]

As close to 80 as possible

[junior needle]

That's because it is, but only slightly, as you can see here #veteran-class message. It feels more than it is because it goes through ammo at a slower pace, therefore artificially limiting your ammo usage (and subsequently damage done) in a given timeframe.

[austere pine]

gonna try to get a better mg 1a so i can get flak, maniac, hh and da4 on it

[proper delta]

whats the difference between the power swords