veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

can you really cal lit low effort if you have to make a manstopper lawbringer

you have to get manstopper

and you have to roll a decent gun

[tall torrent]

I think I just did like 5~6 missions crab walking

[bitter turtle]

its not like its a popular weapon either

that's why its not my first suggestion

[somber axle]

If you already have both blessings, you will not need to crab walk

[tall torrent]

And I had a knife of all things

[bitter turtle]

it definitely works if you have one though

[somber axle]

Oh break over

BACK TO WORK

[trim steppe]

Yeah by crab walking I get like 400ish progress per match. Also using a revolver in melee, just pull it out every 5 seconds to shoot at head level into a horde then keep hacking

[bitter turtle]

yeah

and its not as meme as you think anyway

your melee capabilities arent that diminished by crabwalking

just dont take a weapon that needs to hit heads for BM

well

powersword probably still works fine

lol

[ivory sparrow]

k i am in no way highlevel at this game so hold on.
We are finding the best way to do this is crouhing around with camo and an knife?

[bitter turtle]

i like knife bc it has big dodges

[old quail]

i did the funny thing and spent 15 mins at the end of smelter complex meleeing stuff to complete it in 1 mission

[bitter turtle]

but any melee works

and yes

just crouch

[trim steppe]

the only bad thing is the lack of dodging, which is where the revolver shots helps. but yeah crab walk is the way

[bitter turtle]

and dodge sideways when you wanna move

its legitimate crab walking

like not just crouching, but moving by strafing sideways

since its faster than crouch walking

obv if the hrode is dead dont keep crabwalking and move on

but any time you fight a lot of trash enemy, just crouch and start crabbing

[somber axle]

As funny as TF2 spycrab memes are, I got bored with the playstyle and cooked up my own clown science to do it because with work I only have 2-3 hours of play a day on work nights

And it was very fun deleting crowds

[bitter turtle]

ya if you wanna make a lawbringer that way works too

but you;'d need to roll the gun for that

[ivory sparrow]

im just gona pretend i am cool and make a lawbringer and bring a knife at the same time

run around like im cool doing both

[bitter turtle]

just remember

manstopper is a t2 blessing

[ivory sparrow]

im not cool, and i imagine if people saw my stuff they would cry but

[bitter turtle]

so make a new char to try to fish for it

cause you will not get it from upgrading guns at level 30

that or pray brunt has it ig

[ivory sparrow]

thats depressing

[bitter turtle]

that's why i say its a bit of a pita lol

[somber axle]

Plus I like sharing the Lawbringer meme build because it is genuinely fun imo

LOL

[tall torrent]

Brunt’s requisition sometimes sell it

[bitter turtle]

and why my first suggestion is crabbing

[tall torrent]

I have every single blessing available for veteran
Except gloryhunter 4 for boltgun and terrifying barrage 4 for autopistol

[bitter turtle]

oh no

what will you do without terrifying barrage

how will you copy that guy's sick build

[ivory sparrow]

its funny because all my veteran stuff was excellent forever ago when i was last in this discord at... release?
But now i see so many acronyms and stuff

[bitter turtle]

might as well delete all your characters and start over

[tall torrent]

When I finally acquire those blessings I can start collecting blessings for other classes

[tall torrent]

Because they changed a ton of stuff

[ivory sparrow]

yes obviously. I was just laughing

[bitter turtle]

whats your old stuff

its probably still fine

as long as it is not a shredder autopistol

[ivory sparrow]

gone is what it is XD

[bitter turtle]

o

[ivory sparrow]

trying to keep up with the ever changing tides

oh well

shit happens

[bitter turtle]

why is your icon a lopporrit
but when i click on your profile it turns into some knight person

[ivory sparrow]

because fraggingway is the homieprrit of my paladin

[pseudo fiber]

Just got hit with a crusher overhead and my game fucking crashed lmfao

[bitter turtle]

he smashed your game too

[ivory sparrow]

crusher said you are done for the eve pal

[pseudo fiber]

Crusher told my ASS streak can stay I guess????

Strange game

[ivory sparrow]

what game isnt?

[ember folio]

would this work for columnus mk 5 and rashad mark 2

[ivory sparrow]

wellp im off to try and crabwalk. nite friends

regards from Fraggingway

[bitter turtle]

i do not like playing rashad without aspd

[tall torrent]

Would take bring it down over rending strikes

[bitter turtle]

and ya

rending strikes is pretty meaningless on ciag and rashad

also if all you can dip is 1 point into a keystone

imo

weapon specialist is best

but again, i hate playing rashad with no aspd

[trim steppe]

Brunt you magnificent sadist

[white minnow]

the acronym reminds me of something else

[bitter turtle]

how do you know that's not what i meant

[ember folio]

and how many points you think thats gonna take when i need the other talents?

[bitter turtle]

maybe i only play rashad when i feel antisocial

[white minnow]

🤔

carry on

[bitter turtle]

how badly do you need 10% melee for your bp

like what does your axe look like

[iron marten]

Just came back to read this…

[ember folio]

im going off the vet guide recommendeds

[bitter turtle]

remember

even a lot of those recommendations can change based on your axe

[iron marten]

I’ve been running supp immunity for laspistol since basically the beginning of patch 13

[bitter turtle]

or wep stats

just post your axe

ill tell you everything about it to let you make an informed decision

lul

[ember folio]

dont have the thing yet but im working on it

[bitter turtle]

o

[ember folio]

was unaware it changes so drastically

[bitter turtle]

basically

its not "dramatically" so much as

are you willing to require a few extra headtaker stacks

also

do you need survivalist

cause you can take 10% melee easily

and get better talents

if you give up survivalist

[ember folio]

would prefer survivalist for my friends sake

[tall torrent]

[bitter turtle]

that's fine

[iron marten]

It’s ok. I at least knew the plasma is supp immune…

[bitter turtle]

at the very least

even if you dont care to go wep specialist/get aspd for rashad

id probably do what was said and siwtch to ogryn dmg

i dont think recip is very good on rashad either, so consider cqkz?

aside from that its fine

you could consider taking the points out of marksman focus and doing focus target + redirect fire as well

overall it looks good

just I personally hate playing normal speed rashad, it feels slow as heck to me

[iron marten]

ok, well, I have 3 spare points for my laspistol and 1 spare for my helbore :p

[bitter turtle]

just for reference btw, if your axe looks something like thius:

https://i.gyazo.com/bf6346aff49e7d74f6ddfe2dcaee431b.png

you only need 1 headtaker stack even w/o `10% melee

[tall torrent]

I need that axe skin

[bitter turtle]

i should make it a katana instead

[iron marten]

wait, holy shit, I can do agile engagement with my laspistol now

[tall torrent]

There was a gold combat axe skin in the past? Not sure

[bitter turtle]

was there?

idk

i just have it from modding

[tall torrent]

Then yea it’s in the game

[bitter turtle]

they might still be unused stuff though

there's a lot of fancy stuff in the files that havent been added yet

[tall torrent]

I wonder when they’ll drop their next patch

Pls Moebian 6th helmet + mask combo

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/14a8d72b248be53e748b4764ea556ce9.jpg

i dont think this big greatsword looking psword has been added yet no?

[tall torrent]

Skin maybe

[tall torrent]

I also don’t get their weird obsession with “quality” marking the free cosmetics

Meanwhile none of the premium cosmetics have “quality” marking

[bitter turtle]

nont sure

there's 3 of these big sword type skins for psword

https://i.gyazo.com/bd0411e7612b1d9804a5411ed51d7682.jpg

but im ngl

they look hella goofy in 1 hand

at least imo

[tall torrent]

Could be new weapon type? Idk

Power greatsword

[bitter turtle]

i feel like someone surely would have datamined that

if it was

but who knows

[tame lodge]

Weaponized umbrella

[midnight totem]

power umbrella

[craggy ridge]

Okay help me out, what do I get rid of? (I'm guessing poxwalkers for flak or something?)

[bitter turtle]

just poxwalker

p;robably flak

ilas has terrible flak damage

[wild vortex]

Why is the Laspistol so good

Quick to swap, quick to reload, hits hard, highly accurate

[elder fiber]

it deserves it after what it suffered through on launch

lasrifles really need a glowup tho

[somber axle]

Poxwalkers to Flak

You will feel the pain trying to body shot kill Maulers without Flak

Flak helps make Mauler killing feel a bit better with the Mg1a

[last parcel]

"WHY IS HIS DICK SO ARMORED"

[somber axle]

Also helps TTK on Flak Ragers

[craggy ridge]

Well so far, this gun absolutely fucks

[pseudo fiber]

I am officially ASS

[somber axle]

That's why I like playing my Psyker!

"Explode your dick and small your ass, get bent losers, penis blast!"

As I Surge Staff the Mauler to pop them like a balloon

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-dance-ena-gif-27696814

[last parcel]

psyker testicular torsion gif

[pseudo fiber]

So close I can bloody taste it

[pseudo fiber]

The game crash kinda sours it a little but I did well enough in that last maelstrom with a fresh level 30 psyker with blue weapons to make up for it

[hidden torrent]

My god, after 4300 penance points these penances feel like I'm dragging my balls through glass

It's just the long ones last, and they're painful alright

2500 enemies killed with barrels

[tall torrent]

Don’t bother with that one

[tall torrent]

You should still have quite a few +10 point penances left

[hidden torrent]

Oh I'm not

I just forget the others right now since I'm not on my computer

That one just stands out

The issues with the penances I have left is they want me to play in ways I find extremely boring, like Glugger

[tall torrent]

Gotta do it eventually

[pseudo fiber]

You've still got class penance to do?

Get in there soldier I've ran out of those I'm 100 points off now

[hidden torrent]

I'm taking my time with them, I unlocked ASS long ago and I just have maps to do X times and playing the a purpose built, build for penances feels a bit more interesting

[trim steppe]

Whoever added the extra 0 to the barrel penances is a sadist

[pseudo fiber]

I feel it should be hit enemies not kill them

Like idk

Or switch that and the box bursters one

I see it getting nerfed.

Or they add a title to the 2500 barrel kills

[wild vortex]

Pog, finally got my Vet to 30

Such a different playstyle from pogryn but dare I say it's equally robust a class

[pseudo fiber]

The classes are pretty good like that (except psyker at times)

[somber axle]

I haven't confirmed this but someone told me that on Damnation and Auric Damnation your standard hordes (groaners/poxwalkers) are too strong to be killed by barrels unless they are either damaged or very close to one of the explosive non-fire barrels. On Heresy and below they can be comfortably be killed much easier by barrel pops

And afaik the penance is not tracking based on difficulty

I haven't verified this info personally yet but if true it means the barrel penance speed run strat would just be to run around lower difficulties drawing hordes over to any and every barrel before popping for easier grinding

[wild vortex]

This is true, I've seen trash survive barrel explosion

In an Auric damn

[bitter turtle]

its not difficulty dependent

so if you really wnate dto farm it

just go into a solo game

kill the bots

[somber axle]

Grinding barrel explosion penance on higher difficulties is painful because everything is stronger

[bitter turtle]

and farm the barrels

sounds absolutely fucking tedious though

[somber axle]

Play on lower difficulty and it becomes cake maybe?

[wild vortex]

Frankly I think penances like these are just insulting to me as a player so I'm just not gonna bother

I get what I get playing normally and that's fine

Anything else can rot

[tall torrent]

Trying to figure out what to rename my characters as

[somber axle]

It's honestly not even necessary to get the 4500 penance points for the last item so it can be comfortably skipped

But just as extra info in case anyone is trying to do literally every single penance for who knows why

[wild vortex]

Do you need all 4 characters penances to reach 4500?

Or 2-3 will do?

[somber axle]

Completionists suffering

[bitter turtle]

no

but

[tall torrent]

Preferably all 4

[bitter turtle]

the class ones are the easier ones

unless you want to do shit like

100 o feach mission type

[wild vortex]

I can consider levelling up my Zealot that's like lv 3 but God I don't wanna do Psyker

[bitter turtle]

or whatever

[wild vortex]

I'm fucking terrible at squishy classes

[tall torrent]

Any particularly funny numbers I can use hmm

[somber axle]

Psyker isn't so bad outside of the private match penance

[tall torrent]

I already renamed my zealot & psyker

[wild vortex]

After spending most of my in game time on Ogryn, even playing Vet took a mentality shift

[somber axle]

Brain burst kill a Daemonhost doing at least 50% of the Daemonhost HP with just brain burst

Literally just get an Ogryn friend, queue private, make them bring shield and have them sit a corner and shield down while you spam brain burst for 2 minutes

Very weird penance

Make sure Ogryn aggros Daemonhost btw

Very important

[bitter turtle]

faster than that really

the hard part about the private penances is just getting a private game going

because for some reason

solo private = no good

according to fs

[somber axle]

A lot of the penances become trivial with friends LOL

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-mandalorian-laugh-cry-gif-21495683

[ivory sparrow]

alright it wasnt so bad once crabwalking with good shotgun and axe was discovered
5 hours later all done 😄

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-knife-fight-gif-7305809

peak vet gameplay

[ivory sparrow]

😆

[grand perch]

just random numbers

spelled out if necessary

[final stone]

DRAWD YEW A PITCHA MAM

[grand perch]

thats going on the ration fridge big man

[soft island]

is... is there a non-ration fridge?

[last parcel]

move along

[grand perch]

do not ask krell about the non-ration fridge

[oblique totem]

Non-ration?

[inland orchid]

Where else is kral gonna store his spare limbs and bodily organs

[slender turtle]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one crabwalking and cheesing the penance with melee

[scarlet pelican]

Plasma gun is a bit hard to use i noticed lol

The delay on fire is

[junior needle]

Charge rate affects how fast the primary fire comes out

So low charge rate ones will feel extra shit

[scarlet pelican]

Ah not weird then

Still leveling so the charge on my plasma is 44%

[wanton dawn]

You can aim during the delay though

[short wigeon]

even the emperor's finest are turning into crabs

i for one wholly endorse

[indigo lily]

Hello, better change what please ? https://i.imgur.com/N6Xz7Xb.png

[dreamy spade]

Change sprint efficency to elite

And I would go get hot instead of blaze away

[indigo lily]

Gets Hot! > Blaze Away ?

[dreamy spade]

Due to the survivalist nerf ammo is even lower

And to effectively use blaze away you have to spam shots

[indigo lily]

Yep I often lose Blaze Away stacks

[marble yew]

Wtf, plasma has a very high ammo capacity

[indigo lily]

there's no point in buying it if I don't have at least 78 in stopping power? https://i.imgur.com/ZAjcfjw.png

[wild vortex]

Fellas, is Exhilarating Takedown worth picking? I find I'm often headshotting with the Laspistol, so thought it'd add to my tankyness

[unique sorrel]

i like it on paper, but havent been in a situation where it saved me yet

[wild vortex]

30% TDR sounds kinda beeg

[wanton dawn]

Usually worse than ck, but good pick if you take longshot

[sage whale]

How does one get trusted in this server enough to put a pic in

[wraith locust]

sprint > elite, glory > gets hot

oh wait sry i didnt see you alr changed a blessing

[wild vortex]

Already have CK

[wanton dawn]

Then 2nd part of my comment applies

[dreamy spade]

look at this shit

[bitter turtle]

its alright on some guns

pretty situational though since not getting extra toughness on melee kills can be rough

[indigo lily]

Yes you advice me change blaze away to get hot ?

[wild vortex]

I already have the middle path

This is for my last point

I either take this or Ogryn/monstrosity damage

[bitter turtle]

ogryn damage is generally gonna be better

[rocky jacinth]

Exhilarating Takedown is peak with the columnus and Marksman's Focus

You can upkeep yourself just clicking heads with zero effort

[hoary horizon]

SAH

SAH!

Learned new word sah!

Purge da unclean Sah!

[hidden torrent]

Me after shooting every barrel and getting 1 kill with them

[crude fiber]

Really wish you were damage immune from other sources while grabbed by something. Ive been killed by enemies while in a , gibbed from full health by getting grabbed by a mutant and a bunch of adds smack me

[dreamy spade]

It's such an oversight

[grand perch]

you gotta blow yourself up for the emperor, reject
#darktide-pics-vids message

[dreamy spade]

Fatshark get your shit together

[wild vortex]

Lmfao

That's so stupid

[hidden torrent]

While I agree and pretty much everyone I know agrees because if you have toughness a mutant does nothing, if you don't you're dead.

Plus the fact that mutants are a tanky disabler (really poor design decision) so when you are fighting a horde a boss and other specials it just becomes cancer

[wild vortex]

Plogryn and fleshbag taking turns to beat you into pudding

[hidden torrent]

Plogryn is ezpz, not as easy as the captains we assassinate, that literally couldn't beat their way out of a paper bag, but still easy

[wild vortex]

I made a nice psword and mkX Laspistol just need to farm an Infernus blessing and a better tier of Bromentum

[woeful ibex]

hey guys

saw another veteran with this cosmetic

When did this appear?

its the same vox grill from the teaser

[stray stream]

Any advice to complete the « Adept Assassin » penance for the Veteran ? What’s the best setup for it ?

[trim hemlock]

Zarona revolver with Surgical

Melee can be really anything, revolver crits are much more consistent than any other option, but you probably can get away with taking a Combat blade

[pseudo fiber]

That's a neat detail.

Good thing that team lived... totally lived yep... don't look above the door after the airlock in hab dreko.

[frank monolith]

I had this happen to me but my grabber was a muti

[woeful ibex]

yeah

[stray stream]

What’s the best Devil Claw version and why ? Thx

[trim hemlock]

4 and 7 because they have distinct movesets

1 is very... how do you put it

SIMPLE. It also lacks a proper anti-armour/single target moveset, which is arguably bad

[stray stream]

How would you rank 4/7 vs all other melees ? I got a perfect mk3 powersword atm

[trim hemlock]

It's a weapon category with a quirk (riposte), and it almost always does decently at horde-clear

[hollow ibex]

dclaws are... ok

you mostly use them for the parry

[stray stream]

I see

Think i ll stick with my powersword

[trim hemlock]

But even if you can get around using riposte to your advantage, they typically aren't better that weapons that mostly care about spamming some sort of attack combo

they can be very safe weapons to use, though, but again, that comes at a cost of timing your parries well to a frame, which isn't always possible

[crude fiber]

It's cool parrying overhead attacks from crushers and maulers. Even if you fuck up the timing it just guard breaks you instead of killing you

[wraith locust]

@tall torrent sorry for ping, do you remember what bps elites gives on plasma?

I was doing some psyk testing with loadout config and i don’t think I was getting any good ones

[tall torrent]

dreg gunner 1hs

u need superiority complex + two +5% dmg (that apply to ranged atks) + precision strikes + redirect fire/longshot

[wraith locust]

Ahhhhh that’s why

I was like a tiny amoutn off

Ty

[tall torrent]

I think best perk combo for plasma now is elite + flak

maniac requires some additional specific stuff

[snow cypress]

Hi,can I have your opinion about my build?

[bronze atlas]

ah this is what i came here to ask, im gonna spam malice for the penance on vet while also trying to get no melee damage, already have this plasma and was gonna try and make it ok

for malice no melee i should bring like a mg12 lasgun in reality i guess

im kinda looking through whats in my pockets because i am not doing a big ass craft for this

[acoustic carbon]

Veterans; if you had to choose between two lasguns, which one you'd go with and why: Kantrael Mg la or Mg XII ?
Your Blessings on both are Deadly Accurate & Headhunter.

I've been thinking; if you were to miss a shot with Mg XII, you lose some amount of valuable time until your next shot, due to it's slow fire rate.
However that's not the case with Mg la. Shoots reasonably fast, and the damage output is relatively same if not better, thanks to the mentioned blessings.

What you think?

[wraith locust]

I would just go flak maniac and call it a day

At 60 dmg I don’t think any of the advice on breakpoints applies

• malice

[bronze atlas]

its kinda weird how little going down to 60 damage affects the actual damage

im not sure what the math is

its substantial but its not a quarter of the range it can be

[trim hemlock]

Mg 1a if I'm feeling confident, Mg 12 if I want to go "slow" but steady

[bronze atlas]

mg12 does way more damage to flak and unyielding from stopping power

50% rof boost is good for stuff thats taking a bunch of shots

i think shout over infiltrate for no melee damage, at least for me

[wraith locust]

Some of the plasma bps are kinda close so it would affect overall perk selection tho

[bronze atlas]

i see

this is with the mod that shows the actual cap values

[wraith locust]

But honestly best way to see for yourself is to download loadout config, put on the build you’d normally use, and see what perks work best in the psykhanium

[bronze atlas]

im making a specialist build to play no melee malice rn

i play too much actual game to get 15 downless runs in a row

[tall torrent]

1a

MG12 is in a very sad state rn

[snow cypress]

Guys,in your opinion which is better zealot's stealth or vet's infiltrate?

[tall torrent]

Different purpose

[snow cypress]

oh

Could you explain it?

please

[tall torrent]

Zealot’s stealth is to target 1 specific enemy for burst dmg
Reposition is the secondary effect, usually

Veteran’s stealth is mainly reposition / doing obj

Both abilities have pretty bad point tax problems but zealot’s is arguably worse

[snow cypress]

oh,I use vet's one with zealot's purpose lol

[acoustic carbon]

Sorry for the late reply, I was on a game.
Thanks for the input. However, I must disagree with your takes on Mg12. With the said blessings, the damage output difference is negligible on critical weakspot hits. Sure, on paper the damage output is bigger on Mg12. But what matters is the critical hits. Been using both for a long time and really can't mark the differences between each weapon. 1a is basically faster and deals almost the same damage on critical weakspot hits. I think mg12 requires some changes on how it functions.

[acoustic carbon]

Indeed. I think they could slightly increase the mg12's base damage, to be more favorable among the other kantrael lasguns.

[snow cypress]

In which keystone update should i spend points?

Is any of them worth it?

[pseudo fiber]

They're all pretty good

[snow cypress]

oh

[pseudo fiber]

probably 8 stacks, damage buff, toughness regen that's my personal preference anyway

[snow cypress]

I use infiltrate btw

If that helps

[tall torrent]

It needs a very sizeable dmg increase and cleave buff

[tall torrent]

Redirect fire and target down

[tall torrent]

8 stacks is NOT worth it

[pseudo fiber]

Let me guess no breakpoints?

[snow cypress]

Too much time to fill it completely,right?

[tall torrent]

Long story short 8 stacks gives you 4.5% more dmg with redirect fire

[snow cypress]

breakpoints?

[tall torrent]

If that 4.5% higher Dmg doesn’t help both of your weapon’s breakpoints then it’s pretty pointless

[tall torrent]

Specific Dmg numbers that causes ur weapon to take less hits to kill enemies

[pseudo fiber]

Personally I like it for the benefits it gives to redirect fire and target down however once again that's my personal preference

[snow cypress]

oh,how do I check that? lmao

[tall torrent]

You can check how much health each enemy has in the meat grinder

[snow cypress]

I use knife

mk6

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t really help target down and gives a 4.5% Dmg increase to redirect fire

It’s basically the middle aura (+5% Dmg) but conditional

[tall torrent]

Enemy health doesn’t change from what weapon u use

Knife is a very single target focused weapon

[snow cypress]

well mk6 can deal quite well with hordes

[tall torrent]

Generally the breakpoints u need to build for are
2 weakspot both ragers
3 weakspot mauler, crusher, reaper

[tall torrent]

It’s not that good at it

[snow cypress]

yeah,not VERY good,but you can more or less defend

[tall torrent]

That is bottom tier horde clear lol

[snow cypress]

multiple weakspots

[trim hemlock]

CB6 has the emotional support tier of horde clear damage

[tall torrent]

It’s better than mk3 knife and that’s about it

[trim hemlock]

If you want to clear with CB6

take frags

maybe with grenade tinkerer if you can afford it, but it's not necessary

[tall torrent]

But it is decently better than mk3 knife

[snow cypress]

hmmmmm...yeah

I mean,I have this weapon

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238224374675537930/1238238446016008272/Crusher_3.2k_dps.mp4?ex=6641daaa&is=6640892a&hm=21b1e0455a5e128814337a4211af24c29a9c5548998b4c57269184b21fb02ee9&

[snow cypress]

lmao I've seen that clip recently

It's crazy

[tall torrent]

That’s one of the main combat blade breakpoints u want

3 hit crusher

[snow cypress]

ohhh

I understand

I kill normal rager of 2 weakpoint hits

I need more damage for elites I think

And srab one of 3

[tall torrent]

Could be low first target

[snow cypress]

It could be

For now is my best knife

[tall torrent]

First target is usually more important than Dmg stat

[snow cypress]

I'll be buying knifes

XDDD

damm i has hitting wrong

I can kill scrab with 2 hits

Anyways is true my first target stat is quite low

[spark acorn]

Gang gang, is a +20% Infested/Unarmoured - Blaze Away 3 - Gloryhunter 4 plasma salvagable, or am I just pulling Blaze off of it?

[wraith locust]

What are the stats

You could probably hit one head gunner, one body tox bomber

With unarmored iirc

So it’s not bad

Could swap infested to flak, gloryhunter to gets hot

[spark acorn]

Fairly solid, I think: 79 damage, 80 ammo, 79 thermal, 75 stopping power, 64 charge

[wraith locust]

Hm

If you just want a usable one for now, I’d keep it

[inland orchid]

Sounds salvageable to me as a weapon

[wraith locust]

But 64 charge is not great

[spark acorn]

Makes sense

[inland orchid]

Inspect how the 64 stat effects it via the inspect button

Those numbers help me a lot

[spark acorn]

1.36 braced, .68 hip

[inland orchid]

Could be better could be worse but good rolls regardless

[spark acorn]

For sure. Thanks for the help, folks, I'd love to pick your brains some more but maybe once I can post images instead

[inland orchid]

Oh u can use the power of #darktide-pics-vids to show images to my knowledge

Not sure if u still get role restricted image wise there tho

But NP regardless glad to help

[tall torrent]

Get gloryhunter from it if you don’t yet have

Or change both perks tbh

Perks matter more for plasma than blessing

[spark acorn]

Maniac bonus a keeper? Just looking at another I've got sitting on purple atm

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

[candid agate]

anyone bother helping me with malleus monstronum, vox channels are dead

[junior needle]

You know what else is dead?

[candid agate]

me

[junior needle]

Not my mom

Enjoy your holidays veterans

[inland orchid]

Prankster fit muscleman is catachan material in my eyes

There’s a reason why he retired

[robust jetty]

]

[shadow aurora]

?

[robust jetty]

misclick lmao

[austere pine]

oh lord

[shadow aurora]

You KNOW it stank in there

🤮

[oblique totem]

lil un protec

[stuck gorge]

worth buying and if so what should i change?

[gray finch]

i think you just change the weakspot to flak

[swift bear]

Got this as a reward for a damnation mission

The damage is kinda F but honestly isn't that big of a deal

this thing is nuts

[trim steppe]

Very nice honestly. And if you ever get a replacement you can strip a T4 off

[swift bear]

Exactly 🙂

[snow cypress]

hI,is this blessing good for Zarona revolver?

[swift bear]

I spent over 30,000 plasteel trying to get PC4 then I got this sword... and was like "Ok I give up on PC4 this sword is nuts"

[snow cypress]

I feel it really good

[trim steppe]

Yup you want surgical and hand cannon. Preferably T4 surgical but T2 is better than anything else

T3 hand cannon is perfectly fine, T4 hand cannon doesnt really add much

[trim steppe]

PS is awesome but honestly chainsword is more fun

[snow cypress]

And which stats?

[swift bear]

Really? I don't know man, I LOVE those lightning strike hit swings against a massive swarm, if feels so good

But chaining down on an elite feels amazing

[trim steppe]

Damage, penetration, and crit are all important so as close to 80 as possible. reload and mobility dont matter as much but you want em both as high as you can (and over 51)

[snow cypress]

thaaaaaanks 😄

[trim steppe]

PS just has such ass mobility its like wearing a ball and chain. Switching to a chiansword and zooming around feels a lot better. But yeah a charged swing into a horde for like 10+ kills always feels great lol

[swift bear]

You are right... the mobility definitely feels much better

I should get stam regen on my curios

[trim steppe]

you want reload speed to be higher if you dont plan on running your zarona with weapon spec, but thats really hte best keystone for it

[snow cypress]

How do you see it?

[split ridge]

i just ranked my vet to lvl 30 and am looking for a good braced autogun build any suggestions

[snow cypress]

I probably spent like 1000 plastil

I hope it's good

XD

And 500 diamantine

[tall torrent]

Far from perfect but playable

[trim hemlock]

Definitely usable

be sure to change the crit damage perk to something else, likely Maniac

[trim steppe]

reroll crit dam and that is a very decent revolver

I'd reroll the crit damage to 10% elite

[trim steppe]

agripinna braced is easily the best of the 3. go for damage or power blessings (deathspitter etc) with flak and maniac perks

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[tall torrent]

Almost there

[pseudo fiber]

I'm running out of shit to do hahaha

I just finished up atoma elite guard, auric storm survivor and untouchable operative

[lilac kayak]

Just do the mission penances

Those complete x torrent missions for 20 pts

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah I'm slowly realising that's what I've got to do now. Big grind ahead. I'll live thoughj

also doing quick work and no rebreather required should help

[tall torrent]

I don’t have atoman elite guard and I have full set unlocked so u shouldn’t be far

[lilac kayak]

Ngl haven't done those but I'm speed running missions on sedition so I could prob finish 20 missions in like 4 hours

[pseudo fiber]

It's worth it for drip

I'll do some later though I am exhausted rn it's so fucking hot

[lilac kayak]

I'm also farming for dream team which is a huge 30 pts increase

[pseudo fiber]

i forgot I gotta do that I'm at like 50 atm

[lilac kayak]

U can farm dream team with bots on sedition

[pseudo fiber]

450 hours btw

[lilac kayak]

Nice

[tall torrent]

Trying to think of a funny name for my veteran

[lilac kayak]

Might be a little cheating but I'm not ashamed to be using the many more try mod cause lots of ppl are using it to speedrun maps on sedition atm

I'm basically able to play solo without having to worry about pubs

[lilac kayak]

CEO of Rations

[stuck gorge]

ogryns will love you if thats your name

(they just want rations)

[inland orchid]

They can and will toss a horde aside just on the possibility of rations

[plush hound]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hollow ibex]

very good on vet too

[lilac kayak]

Rashad is pretty good on vet ngl

[plush hound]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hollow ibex]

though imo you should really go weapon spec for it

[snow cypress]

The revolver destroys enemies,I love it

[snow cypress]

ohhh,I like your idea

Killing those mf gunners hehehe

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo luv lil uns. Thanking you veterans for ammo!

[snow cypress]

I HaTe ThEm

[lilac kayak]

@hoary horizon bestest name

[hoary horizon]

IHTTE

[hoary horizon]

Nah Bazooka Face

[snow cypress]

YyYyYeEeEeEsSsSsS

[hoary horizon]

So sad Ulgo cant yead

Read

[trim steppe]

Rashad is one of the best vet melee weapons IF you can roll one right

It requires a lot of rng and therefore money atm but it's awesome once you get it

[thorn lark]

male or female?

[plush hound]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[violet marten]

hey whats the fastest way to complete armourbane? do you just hit bulwerks/crushers/maulers or do you throw into packs or normal dudes too?

[lilac kayak]

I've heard bruisers count but I just do maelstrom elite modifier to farm Armour bane tbh

[violet marten]

thx im almost doe with it but wanted to know the fastest. 2 penances left for vet =)

[thorn lark]

#veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

male

I named my other 3 characters sorta funny names

zealot: shower
psyker: brainrot
ogryn: goob

[white minnow]

i named my characters "society" just so i can make "society kills" or "society has been killed" jokes

my ogryn is named smoking

[tall torrent]

yea the "shower" name is for "Shower killed scab gunner" lol

[thorn lark]

gun ban

[tall torrent]

having a hyphen in it sorta kills the meme

[thorn lark]

a joke in poor taste if you're american

[tall torrent]

I have him named "Craft" rn

[last parcel]

CadianCuckold

[thorn lark]

Burger

[last parcel]

ptsd

[thorn lark]

Trauma

[tall torrent]

I thought abt this one and it sorta isn't funny enough

[thorn lark]

He

[tall torrent]

I was considering Type-II-Diabetes but it’s too long

[thorn lark]

Covid?

[tall torrent]

COVID-XIX is too direct

[thorn lark]

Ignorance?

[tall torrent]

Not sure if that one is rly funny tbh

[trim steppe]

You want BM and Headtaker, Unarmored and Flak/Carapace. Also all stats but mobility maxed out (over 70 at bare minimum)

[stuck gorge]

are health curios even that worth it, i got a 21% one but the 3 traits rolled shit

[crude fiber]

They're useful if you find yourself getting chip damaged a lot or memeing on ogryn. Otherwise once you get very good at the game you can just run all Stam, and or toughness curious

[thick hedge]

i just played a game with a vet using agripina shotgun, out damaged my pysker by like 200k. It was extremely impressive. Anyone have success with that shotgun?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/musket-roadman-gif-22519863

[bitter turtle]

its decent

[slender turtle]

Good gun, Mediocre special

Really fun on zealot to blast through the metal faceplate of a crusher cause... faith.

[bitter turtle]

i found myself only really using the special for a 20m+ snipe or to open bulwark shields

otherwise the normal shots do the job just fine and 1 taps most of the lighter elite/specials

and maybe its a skissue but i found it really hard to actually hit rager heads while they're running with that special lol

so i just opted to shoot them normally in the end

[slender turtle]

Rager headhitboxes are... funny

[bitter turtle]

yeah

but unlike other guns

if you miss

you dont really get to shoot again

with the special i mean

takes a while to reload and they're probably closing in at that point

so it feels extra punishing

[slender turtle]

That's all I see the special being is just a good opening shot or a bulwark opener if needed.

[oblique totem]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks Ragers are weird to shoot at.

[lament sparrow]

can't post the pic but is a MK V infantry ag with sustained fire, stripped down, 10% on maniacs, and 10% on elites a good roll?

[bitter turtle]

10% on maniacs only?

you mean specialists?

can you even roll 10% for armor type?

its workable either way

sustained fire -> dumdum

10% maniac? specialist? -> 25% flak or maniac

[lament sparrow]

yeah it just says +10% dmg (Maniacs)

[bitter turtle]

well

improve that to t4 perk

25%

or switch to 25% flak

your choice

[lament sparrow]

gotcha gotcha !

otherwise this is alright? sorry, really unfamiliar with what's good or not in this game haha

[bitter turtle]

again

sustained fire -> dumdum

maniac 10% -> flak or maniac 25%

stripped down is fine, and 10% elite is good

just make sure

the gun has high damage and stopping power

those are the two stats that influence its damage

mobility above 50% so you dont lose a dodge

nothing else matters much

as long as the stability isnt like 20 or something its manageable

[trim steppe]

They are less helpful when you have a way to get overshield (VOC or a zealot friend) since those prevent chip and absorb big hits. But they are still good, much better than wound. Running 1 stam / 2 toughness or 1 stam/1 toughness/1 hp are both winning combos

[lament sparrow]

understood!! thank you for the info, i'll take this and run

[inland orchid]

If I had to guess they got low modifier equipment so this sounds impossible

Bein a new reject n all

[lament sparrow]

i wish i could send a screenie 😭 i've been playing this game for maybe 20-24 hrs, new to veteran, i'm a zealot main normally

i swapped the manics to 25 for flak

[trim steppe]

Stripped down is a good blessing, especially if you pair it with the Duck and Dive talent. Makes you silly since you can infinitely run through machine gun fire and never get hit

[lament sparrow]

oooooh i'll make sure to keep that on then !! O:

[wild vortex]

which of these should I buy fellas

[trim steppe]

Personally I wouldn't use either. But if you don't have Power Cycler 4 already you should absolutely buy the one on the left for PC3

[wild vortex]

why wouldn't you use them?

this is what I have at the moment

[trim steppe]

Since it looks like you dont have Power Cycler at all yet, buy the orange one. Replace Rampage with Brutal Momentum and replace crit damage with Carapace

Once you get a better one you can strip off PC3 and use it until you find PC4

[trim steppe]

And I wouldnt use them because the stats are too low for my taste. And the perks/blessings aren't ideal, so you won't be able to make a 4/4 good roll. You can make the orange one decent though by what I said above

[wild vortex]

Got it

Are you supposed to use charged attack all the time?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[trim steppe]

Your current one is pretty good but being locked out of Power Cycler and stuck with slaughterer isn't the best. And if you keep using it, replacing flak with carapace will help you take out crushers without any loss of performace

[tall torrent]

Well if u wanna use a power sword to the best of its ability you need to use energized attacks all the time

[trim steppe]

yeah, which is why power cycler helps so much. with T4 you get 3 swings per activation instead of 1

[wild vortex]

Oh damn

[trim steppe]

T3 gives you 2 which is still way better than not having it

[wild vortex]

Still learning this class

[trim steppe]

Number cat made a really badass class guide you can find in the pins, it gives you all the best picks for your weapons if you dont want to wait for answers in here

[wild vortex]

Ohhh cool I'll check it out, thanks

[upper lichen]

does onslaught on helbore actually exist or are all these guides just fucking with me T_T

ive spent so much coin trying to get it

[last parcel]

It got renamed to weight of fire

[upper lichen]

no ur fkn with me

T_T i have so many t4 weight of fire lol

[last parcel]

Well then you have an equal amount of onslaught helbores

[upper lichen]

_<

[midnight totem]

old guides xD

[frank ether]

don't bother with crafting below lvl 30

you get higher rolls as u lvl up

[trim steppe]

Except putting +xp on your curios 👍

[frank ether]

sure u could do that

you're gonna need plasteel once you hit cap though

[carmine bronze]

I would love outfit for this unit

https://youtube.com/shorts/alDsjQnvuw0?si=_ihSg6mHr_OZWj7V

Sadly don’t think it will ever come

[upper lichen]

+25% flak or t4 weight of fire?

[carmine bronze]

Hmm

I am bias I like flak since some elites fall into this but so do maniacs

Over all great weapon

Just feel the gun fails in wave clear

But is super good at killing major targets

Kinda why I reframe from using mine……

Since when I play sniper always get mobbed

[somber axle]

I'd personally do +25% flak so if you get a better Mk I Helbore you can eventually rip the T3 WoF blessing from it

otherwise solid gun and tbh either way it's fine as is

[upper lichen]

i went +25% flak ye, already have t4 wof

[carmine bronze]

Well good show then ^^

Happy hunting

[upper lichen]

i dunno i feel like i still prefer the mk3 lol

[carmine bronze]

Idk

Not sure what difference between them are

So pardon my ignorance on that

[upper lichen]

okay no just swapped back to mk1 and it is definitely superior lol

charge time & damages

[carmine bronze]

I see

[upper lichen]

and ive really been enjoying the PS for wave clear so just having a specialist/elite clearing gun is v nice

[somber axle]

Mk III Helbore can 1HKO Crushers

Mk I cannot

[upper lichen]

is shock trooper worth? i feel like its pretty nice in the psykhanium

[somber axle]

oh also different bayonet strikes

yes and no

yes for no ammo maelstrom

no for general missions

usually there's more than enough ammo to go around to not need to take Shock Trooper on a Helbore

if you want to ignore ammo as a mechanic sure

some value if you run into ammo goblins who steal all the ammo on a map

[upper lichen]

lol i only run solo queue maelstrom so the ammo goblins are fr

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo need ammo but not much

[tall torrent]

For general missions where you don’t take survivalist, shock trooper is good

[somber axle]

I thought you told me Shock Trooper was bad before?

I am confused but I obey your wisdom numbers cat

[tall torrent]

with surv nerf now, shock trooper helps ammo economy quite a bit

it's very noticeable for weapons that crit a decent amount

[somber axle]

That was my initial instinct too but I opted to err on the side of listening since I thought you might prioritize the talent point elsewhere for other things

Helbore + Surgical + Shock Trooper is just an infinite ammo gun LOL

[tall torrent]

laspistol gets to like 25% crit chance (5% veteran base + 15% laspistol base + 5% node) which effectively means 25% chance to not use ammo

[somber axle]

even without Survivalist

[tall torrent]

shock trooper also makes u reload a lot less

[somber axle]

yes and I love that because it makes Recons so much funnier

[upper lichen]

yeah that was the big thing for me just now in the meat grinder

[tough tiger]

laspistol has 0 recoil right?

[tall torrent]

yea

[upper lichen]

being able to dome a million enemies without reloading is v nice

[tough tiger]

sweet

[tall torrent]

I think shock trooper is pretty good value for non-survivalist builds

[tough tiger]

yes

[tall torrent]

for survivalist builds it's less valuable

unless u just want to reload less

[tall torrent]

that basically means +25% mag size between reloads, and +25% total ammo

which is really not bad

[tough tiger]

which laspistol to use tho?

[tall torrent]

mk2

[tough tiger]

i see

[tall torrent]

mk10 is not nearly as good as mk2 for veteran

[tough tiger]

and lemme guess, everyone runs the chainsword for that commissar larp

[tall torrent]

if u want

there're better weapons tho

at least for veteran

[rigid pilot]

Mk10 is the heavier one?

[somber axle]

Mk II also gets really funny with weapon specialist

shoot SO fast

[tall torrent]

yes

[unique escarp]

What’s the best load out for a stealth vet?

[hollow ibex]

way too general of a question...

[tame lodge]

When on doubt, power sword plasma

[unique escarp]

Sorry
I don’t own it yet and wanted to get an idea
I want to make a Tanith 1st inspired vet

[iron oar]

O

[final stag]

Rashad and knife are both excellent with stealth vet (Rashad is actually insane)

Revolver is good with WS but if you're not using that then use anything you'd like that fills the gap in your build

[tiny summit]

Mk10 laspistol is an OK weapon if you go the agile engagement and weapon specialist route. Hits pretty hard against priority targets playing with those talents

[oblique totem]

I like agile engagement

[carmine bronze]

How about the heavy las pistol

[hollow ibex]

that's mk10

[carmine bronze]

Oh derp xd

Always found the aim to be odd

You hold it on a angle

[hollow ibex]

yeah i'm not a huge fan of the laspistol ADS

they do have very good hipfire at least

[wraith flare]

Rashad mk2 and columnus V, revolver or plasma

And fuck Lasguns they’re all ass (even though the heavy laspistol would probably work)

[umbral scaffold]

best vet loadout is deep cleaner and a wet cloth

[grand perch]

Heard you was talking kark

[wraith flare]

Depends

[wraith flare]

I spit fax

[tall torrent]

Helbore and Laspistol both good
Infantry Lasguns can use some buffs
Recon Lasguns need some major buffs

[wraith flare]

helbore more like bad revolver

only has the cool factor going for it

[wise turtle]

Shocktrooper perk though 😮 i need infinite ammo to function when i play vet

[tall torrent]

They’re not that similar but ok

[craggy orbit]

You can stab with a revolver?

[tough tiger]

imagine if u could charge up the revolver

[grand perch]

Empty all chambers in one go

[wraith flare]

Well both do a sniper role, one just does it better

[tall torrent]

Eh, different purposes even though they’re both 1 tap orientated weapons

[wraith flare]

whats the different purpose

[tall torrent]

Helbore has a lot higher firing uptime and a bayonet that helps kill specialists & ragers very effectively

[wraith flare]

Dont need the bayonet when my melee or just shooting the gun does the same job

The only benefit it has over the revolver is bigger mag

[tall torrent]

Yea you’re just misunderstanding Helbore then

[wraith flare]

which isnt a benefit big enough to warrant using it under any circumstances above the revolver

Other than the cool factor

and roleplay purposes

[tall torrent]

I’m not saying it’s better, I’m saying they’re different purpose

[wraith flare]

Both are meant to snipe HVTs

[tall torrent]

Revolver is the easiest 1 tap gun in this game

Helbore isn’t

[wraith flare]

It is easy, never claimed otherwise

and i kinda hate that since it makes the helbore a silly pick for anything other than "i like how the gun looks / feels"

[tall torrent]

It has a few advantages over revolver, not entirely outclasses
But most of the time revolver is better simply because it’s the only 1 tap gun in this game that doesn’t require headshots lol

Plus the fast draw speed

[wraith flare]

What benefit other than bigger mag

[tall torrent]

Bayonet, ammo economy

You can say melee kills just as well but bayonet kills mutant faster than switching to melee then hitting them twice

[wraith flare]

The ammo econ is actually true after the surv nerf, forgot about that

[tall torrent]

It’s not rly a fair 1:1 comparison because they do different things

That’s my opinion anyways

[craggy ridge]

So if I want to be a SUPREME CHAD and start using the Devils Claw, which one is good to go with?

[trim hemlock]

4 or 7, move-set wise

4 has more easily accessible anti-single target attack combos, and 7 has "more easily accessible" cleave combos

(4 actually has both )

[craggy ridge]

Okay yeah so 4 is clearly the GOOOAT

What blessings am I looking for on this bad boy?

[trim hemlock]

Rampage and Shred (more anti-single target/balanced option), or Rampage and Savage Sweep (more cleave on top of more cleave)

[pine roost]

Is there any other type of builds other than sharpshooter? I don't really like that build,slow for me

[craggy ridge]

You're a gem, thank you.

[trim hemlock]

And what is the “sharpshooter” build you have in mind, I.e., which you don’t like?

Vet can build in a couple of different ways besides that, it’s mostly a matter of what you can stomach and what weapons do you want to play

[craggy ridge]

I could give you my 'generalist' build that pretty much works with any weapon

[craggy ridge]

Hadron was pretty nice. Should I change infested to unarmored/flak?

[trim hemlock]

I'd say change Crit chance to Flak

Critical hit chance as a perk is... not great

[craggy ridge]

Truuuue. I just like crits ;C

Thanks for the help though! I'll try this out in an auric now.

[bitter turtle]

change rampage to shred

and keep crit

go all in

be what you want to be

[trim hemlock]

The

Approach

[last parcel]

I've gone blind by the sheer basedness

[pine roost]

Pretty much the entire left side of the skill tree,and from everything iv read it says to use certain weapons,and those weapons for me have a super slow rate of fire and I don't like that,I'm also just curious if there's other builds besides sharpshooter,for example ogryn has a gunner and melee build (I run the melee build,it's crazy good)

Id like to kill special and elite enemies quickly,or as quickly as I can,and be able to shred through things to help my team,id gotta psyker and ogryn down with my builds,I have no idea for veteran or zealot

[rocky trellis]

Brunt and Hadron both finally gave me a break, feels good

[pine roost]

Iv never seen that weapon beofrr,iv seen the bolt gun,but not that one

[rocky trellis]

if you mean how it looks, just a visual mod, doesn't do anything gameplay related. The sight is functional, though, makes deleting shithead snipers and bombers in the Back 40 easier.

[pine roost]

Oh ok,thought there was another type of bolt gun like there are certain weapons lol,yeah the bolt gun is very fun,recoil is fckin nuts tho lmao

[trim hemlock]

You could probably do this, then:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c082cd1-b298-4dce-98cf-252d4de66597/flexible-ciag-voc-focus-targeteer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

This is a flexible build, i.e., it has 4 spare points to spend somewhere in the tree, and has bare essentials to make a lot of ranged weapons work

and something a bit more unorthodox:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c082ed4-8845-4501-a071-c2a98dc2391a/grenaderegenless-yuris-vraks-infiltrator?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[rigid pilot]

This looks mainly like a knife build

With a side dish of vraks

[trim hemlock]

That’s the idea

I think Yuri played their version with the power sword, though (or a Rashad)

[rigid pilot]

The thing I hate the most as melee is flamers

[trim hemlock]

So combat blade is mostly an afterthought

[rigid pilot]

Powersword with bleed?

[trim hemlock]

You can take off Serrated Blade with PS

Serrated is there only because of CB6 with Mercy Killer

[rigid pilot]

Yea for sure

[tender bloom]

How do the 1h chain swords differ?

Is one better for bosses vs mobs? Or just different animations

[trim hemlock]

It’s mostly the moveset, which in turn may influence how certain types of attacks are effective against a certain type of enemies.

For instance, Mk4 favours heavy attacks for most horde clear actions and Mk13g favours light attacks for that purpose.

[snow cypress]

how much damage deals the special hit of knife?

Is it like a heavy attack?

[odd sparrow]

Its mostly stagger AFAIK

[tropic imp]

The punch is really low damage but applies on-hit effects, the follow up strike hits like a heavy but without the windup

[snow cypress]

I don't mean the punch

[tropic imp]

But for me it's harder to aim

[snow cypress]

I mean the one you do when you're protecting you

[tropic imp]

The push attack does the same damage as a strikedown heavy

But has cleave

[snow cypress]

yeah

But does it do the same damage as the sideway one?

[agile forge]

I think the 13g is a little faster for hordes but not by much, while the 4 is much more versatile

[indigo lily]

Hello, I'm a beginner. I've been trying out the vet with psword + plasma gun. I enjoy taking down elites with the plasma gun, but I'm not fond of playing melee for hordes. Could you please advise me on which character to choose please?

[rigid pilot]

Character?

I think every class has to melee horde at some point of the game

If you don't want to think about it then ogryn is probably best

Just hold down M1 and be relatively fine

[late hatch]

Psyker can get by with mostly ranged.

Assail and voidstrike, or brainburst and purge.

[snow cypress]

My luck sucks

[indigo lily]

It's a good build for endgame ?

[late hatch]

If youre good enough you can do endgame with trash. Build helps a lot though. There are specific combos that excel. I suggest reading pins for each class, and maybe watching some youtube auric runs and see what people run

[rigid pilot]

Game has quite alot of stuff going on, like positioning and target prioritisation. Builds don't matter if they aren't played to their strength so it's hard to say what works or doesn't

Best is to draw from your experience and see where is lacking and trying to build around it

If you don't like the delay to turn on the powersword you can try a brumo combat axe or chainsword, for example

[indigo lily]

I can handle elites well with the plasma gun, but what frustrates me is that sometimes I have no problem with hordes and sometimes I'm oneshoot

[late hatch]

Take iron will, bottom middle, really helps with survive. Play positioning smart. Listen for backstab sound and switch to belee and block, then push. Get power cycler t4 and use activation swings to evaporate horde

[snow cypress]

Can I have your opinion?Which one should I keep?

Only by stats

[rigid pilot]

Pushing is definitely important sometimes when there are too many things close

[late hatch]

First target and damage are your most important stats. both of those are very average

[rigid pilot]

If a trash mob hits you without toughness you are going to take alot of damage

[late hatch]

Lots of people never push, a huge waste. trade a little stam for cc on a big group. Esp ogryn players and zealots

[indigo lily]

I use this build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bfea4b2-e03c-4c41-985c-5ec0131e42e1/plasma-gun-9?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[wraith flare]

Not taking the middle points and instead taking the right side? Yikes

[rigid pilot]

Pushing gets kind of weird if alot of mobs are doing the tracking running attacks

[wraith flare]

and using stam regen instead of the 8 stacks is also wild when ur not using a deadshot build that drains ur stamina

[rigid pilot]

You push the front row but as you start attacking the back row hits you

Melee dodge dancing is something you learn over time slowly as you play I guess

[late hatch]

FT isnt too bad, imo weap spec is easier to stay alive

[rigid pilot]

Build can be optimised but I rarely want to talk about it because it's rarely a problem for new players

As long as your loadout is good

[agile forge]

Yeah, think it's only Psyker that routinely uses ranged on hordes

[rigid pilot]

Powersword plasma and shout is really good

[indigo lily]

My big problem is dodging and blocking, I think.

[rigid pilot]

Powersword really encourages press lmb because of how good it is

[agile forge]

An easy heuristic to start with is to dodge after every second swing when in a horde

Does your power sword have power cycler BTW?

Because it will feel much worse without it

[late hatch]

More specialist builds often require better gameplay to make use of them. If youre new just go the easy value nodes imo. If you have trouble staying alive find a rage or chaos spawn etc and just block and dodge. Either one can be infinitely evaded by anyone good as long as nothing else interrupts

When you can solo a chaos spawn on malice youre ready for aurics

[rigid pilot]

Stamina Regen delay nodes might help with melee gameplay alot too

[indigo lily]

Most of the time I go round in circles and energise my melee when I fight a horde

[agile forge]

Yeah, having to constantly energise it is the big downside of power swords

[indigo lily]

yes rank 3

[agile forge]

It's honestly so clunky

It's strong but not a great experience for newer people imo

[rigid pilot]

Circling horde is a little scary in darktide as it will expose your back to elites and specials eventually

[agile forge]

Since if you start flailing with it wildly it loses so much effectiveness

[late hatch]

Drag hordes side to side, when you learn the ranges you can float just on the edge of their melee range so they dont switch back to charge attacks

[agile forge]

Honestly for a newbie I'd rather use a shovel or a combat axe with brutal momentum

Or a chainsword

[wraith flare]

Meushi mind if i DM u?

[dire olive]

Hell even a devil claw

[indigo lily]

No problem

[late hatch]

DC4 is really nice but is more of a skill weapon

[dire olive]

DC1 is a good beginner weapon if you just want to no brain hordes

[late hatch]

Parry is what makes the DC so good, and its another thing to track in combat

[agile forge]

What else is good for newbies

[indigo lily]

I have to use charged attack or spam MB1 with psword ?

[agile forge]

Oh, if you try a combat axe, don't take achlys

[agile forge]

Always charged, but which one?

[dire olive]

psword is kinda bad without charge

[agile forge]

Power Sword 6 is best typically of the two

[late hatch]

Activate then light spam, heavy swings if not charged.

[indigo lily]

Oh I rarely use charged attack xD

[agile forge]

If it's the 6, you have a single target combo too

[agile forge]

So you are basically just swinging a paddle around then

A pool noodle even

Wait, by charged, are we talking the electrified power attack or just heavies

[indigo lily]

hold MB1

[agile forge]

That's a heavy attack, for clarity

[indigo lily]

Oh my bad

[agile forge]

"Charged" in the power swords case means activating the special

If you have power sword 3 you mostly want heavies iirc

Power Sword 6 wants lights mostly

[indigo lily]

I have mk 6

[agile forge]

Or push attack - light combo for hard single targets like Crushers and mutants

[bitter turtle]

Play psyker and trauma staff

If you don't want to learn how to melee

I suggest you do so though

Most builds rely on their melee to a significant degree

There's a reason the game calls your melee your primary and your gun your secondary

[stray stream]

Any good sniper build around ? I would prefer one using vrak mk7, but lucius would be ok.

Thx !

[bitter turtle]

Yes

I use v7

Perks: unarmored, flak
Blessings: deadly accurate, surgical

https://i.gyazo.com/705e293e3605421bd5211c8327bc2e12.png

Tree

Last 2 points can go anywhere, personally I take demo team and volley adept

But you can also grab 10% melee if your melee weapon needs it

The perk/blessing with tree guarantees:

1tap headshot both gunners with no crit
1tap headshot flamers with crit
1tap scab rager with crit

For maulers, just spam shots into their body

[stray stream]

Huge thx ! Question : why not take stealth or the highlight ability ?

[bitter turtle]

so

let me answer those individually

[stray stream]

Sure

[bitter turtle]

stealth: Im a huge fan of stealth actually, but its not good for a weapon you want to hang back in the rear on really. If you want to play stealth, generally I've found its best paired with an aggressive, mobile weapon you can push behind enemy lines with (like laspistol)

If you end up taking stealth and all you do is pop stealth to run away from aggro or revive people, you might as well just have taken shout. Because you're hanging back with a sniper kind of playstyle, you're often with your team, so stealth becomes largely just a worse tool than VOC used defensively that just offloads problems onto your teammates instead of buffing them if you dont intend to use it to dive in and pick off dangerous threats before they can reach your team.

exec: The gun hits most of its major breakpoints without needing to use it. In theory you can take it instead and drop some damage nodes and put them in other utility nodes, but there's really no point to this because whatever points you save wont go into anything with more utility than VOC in the first place, while also being less reliable because now you need Exec Stance running to hit those BPs

does that answer your question

[stray stream]

Yeah i see the logic in your points. Thx for the insights

[bitter turtle]

np

[bright fjord]

lame base stats but I don't really wanna keep pressing consecrate, is this usable?

[bitter turtle]

uh

no

no its not

sorry

point blank is terrible

it lies

its not on a melee kill

its on a pistol whip special action kill

you know, the one that does like 3 whole damage

so the only decent thing you have there is surgical

the ideal is:

Maniac+Elite
Surgical + Handcannon

If you insist on using this one because you're done with rolling weapons, I'd swap out stamina for elite and point blank for handcannon

but you do lose the ability to crit 1shot dreg ragers on a bodyshot

[oblique totem]

I despise lying blessings

[bitter turtle]

yeah

you think its bad for zarona

point blank would be the best blessing on agri revolver

if it actually worked the way it claimed

[midnight totem]

Weapon specialist be like "look at what the blessing must do to achieve a fraction of our-wait it doesn't even do that! HAHAHAHA"

[bitter turtle]

In retrospect maybe saying no to "is it usable" was harsh, it's better if I just say it's not ideal

You just have 1 dead perk, 4 percent crit is pretty much nothing, worth less than 0.15 seconds of aiming with surg

The gun will work fine though for the most part with just elite though

Just need handcannon on it

[hidden torrent]

As long as you can hit the head most things are usable

If you can't then use plasma

Or very specific builds

[agile forge]

Tbh plasma wants headshots too

Small bonus but enough to turn a lot of 2 shots into 1 shots

If you don't wanna headshot take a Braced autogun

Or a recon maybe idk

I mean don't take recons obviously but yeah

[hidden torrent]

Plasma wants headshots since it's ammo economy sucks, but only body shooting will still kill elite hordes decently

You'll be a dick vet who takes all the ammo

But the Xbox players gotta have something

[hidden torrent]

Just not crushers

[agile forge]

1 vs 2 shot is a big TTK difference though