veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

so

you need precision strikes + superiority complex

drop the stamina regen

or you know what

let me just screenshot a fixed one for you

[thorn lark]

iron will is excellent too

[junior needle]

The push attack on the 7 does seem to come out slightly faster than the heavies on the 2, and uses the semi but not quite horizontal swing angle taxes have

[bitter turtle]

frankly

i dont know why you would use krak

but ill roll with it

[junior needle]

You could just push attack for clear all the time but I still don't think it's worth using

[tall torrent]

wtf I want ur revolver

[amber cliff]

YOU STAY AWAY

SHES ALL I HAVE

[thorn lark]

you do pa > h > pa > h > pa

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/e924cb84c5a66ff4a7798d3211c55b70.jpg

[frank ether]

this makes achyl look sane lmao

[bitter turtle]

just do that

you should have 3 pts leftover

fveel free to get a better grenade

or deadshot

or something

[junior needle]

Yuck

[amber cliff]

deadshot is what I use yeah

its fun

[tall torrent]

(Optionally, go reciprocity + desperado if you’re playing knife)

[amber cliff]

its why i have invigorated

[bitter turtle]

ya i just went that path because he did it

[amber cliff]

just to pop another crit if ned

thank u

[frank ether]

going off of revolvers

[junior needle]

So mk2 is a worse antax/rashad and the mk7 is a worse achlys

[thorn lark]

it's a groove man

[frank ether]

is it just me or does agri have some weird bullet magnetism thing going for it

[bitter turtle]

doesnt the zarona have the same

iirc

the bullets are planet sized to make you feel like you're good at aiming

[thorn lark]

zarona has magnetism

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/bWEVi.gif

wait so im not good

at the game?

fuck.

[frank ether]

I don't really notice it with zarona because its not a hard weapon to aim to begin with

[tall torrent]

Not magnetism, just big size bullet

[frank ether]

but I could deliberately try to miss

should be easy to test

its harder to say for sure with agri since it has a massive cone

[thorn lark]

that does compensate for the ghost hits

so i won't complain

[junior needle]

Not sure if it does

[frank ether]

I'd rather just have a goddamn fix to ghost hits

[junior needle]

Ghost hits are just hits not registering

[amber cliff]

oh man i miss my quick reload talent..

[junior needle]

Even if they visibly impact

[bitter turtle]

which one

you have 3 points leftover

[amber cliff]

tactical

[bitter turtle]

just put it wherever you want

i mean

thats literally 1 point

just get it then

[frank ether]

why does a pve co-op shooter needs to have serverside hit registeration anyway

[amber cliff]

But I don't wannnaaaa

https://tenor.com/bskm3.gif

[thorn lark]

i mean the pain of getting a ghost hit is lessened a bit whenever my bullet reaches a head

[bitter turtle]

i ask the same question every time i play

when i shoot someone and see blood come out and they walk away

[frank ether]

like, what are you trying to protect fatshark? The feelings of scab gunners?

Are they gonna accuse me of cheating?

[thorn lark]

well let's say that's a nurgle blessing

[bleak jackal]

do you have any clue how toxic the scab gunners are in chat

[bitter turtle]

nah

the dreg ones are more toxic

especially those tox bombers and flamers

[bleak jackal]

hate these trolls

[thorn lark]

man i'd like to see shotgunners scoreboard

[bitter turtle]

[tall torrent]

I have 6 more blessings to collect then I have all veteran-available weapon blessings

[frank ether]

I have stopped crafting

will not craft a single thing till crafting rework

[thorn lark]

i bankrolled my zealot and my psyker with my vet

[bitter turtle]

i remember you ragequit

from crafting

some time earlier

[frank ether]

I play this game to look at my hoard of plasteel/ordo now

[bitter turtle]

i forgot what weapon

was it the rashad

[tall torrent]

Yea

[frank ether]

rashad

Its not even that bad of a roll

[tall torrent]

Bro went for a Rashad of all things

[amber cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792590288480239626/1168496302255001600/16986616219079322.png?ex=662f75fc&is=661d00fc&hm=f6665a3fe27fbf3d615744d3803ea144b7914ee43c6b1bcc85b9af24defd9a82&

https://tenor.com/by91z.gif

[bitter turtle]

wait

[amber cliff]

Friend of mine has that fucking rev

I want that shit

[frank ether]

only to realize I don't even enjoy it to begin with

[bitter turtle]

didnt you have it on elite earlier

oh

its your firends

[tall torrent]

Swap flak to elite

[bitter turtle]

tell them to switch it to elite

[amber cliff]

Dey refuse to listen

[bitter turtle]

you need elite or carapace to dome crusher in 2 hits

and elite helps with other shit too

rip

[amber cliff]

They just go "yeah but who has the god roll rev?"

can't say anything

its very sad

[thorn lark]

laugh in grey plasma

[tall torrent]

I went from
Rashad -> Mk6 power sword -> Rashad -> Mk7 DC -> Rashad -> Mk4 chainsword -> Rashad -> Mk7 shovel -> Rashad -> Mk6 knife

[frank ether]

thats a lot of rashad

[last parcel]

is this some sort of new weapon specialist perk

[frank ether]

weirdly enough I prefer antax somehow

[thorn lark]

that's the comfort weapon after a bad relation

PSWORD I am breaking up with you now!

[tall torrent]

I sorta just treated Rashad as baseline and wanted to try different things to see what they did better & worse in

[frank ether]

Most of my vet playtime was on psword

[last parcel]

psword more like pee in my mouth mommy hadron

[thorn lark]

i mostly use dc4 or 7 now

[frank ether]

but lately I'm getting more and more addicted to d.claw

it has become my new crutch

[tall torrent]

DC7 weakness is cleave dmg distribution vs flak
Power sword I don’t like low dodge
Chainsword was alr but Rashad was doing better
Mk7 shovel is pretty good with anti carapace but boss dmg sucked

[amber cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/915168547255246902/1160038192079196231/warp.png?ex=662c6041&is=6619eb41&hm=26b8519ea3bb024ba85a005e29205ba914d96487833f0eb4ff95d299629e16f3&

[frank ether]

yea its not a fantastic weapon it has its flaws for sure

[amber cliff]

wait no

[tall torrent]

Currently playing knife so I can run off and collect plasteel

[frank ether]

with deadshot builds if you embrace the full stamina brainrot then parry spam becomes quite viable

[frank ether]

I had a game where I had 400 plasteel collected and the closest teammate had.. 10 I think .d

why do people look at plasteel and ignore it I will never understand

[amber cliff]

Lead in the water thats why

[frank ether]

maybe lead in paint too

[tall torrent]

I’m perpetually broke on plasteel

Dockets I don’t even use much now

I spent 15k plasteel today trying to get a Zarona

Bricked all mine, but got a godroll agripinaa revolver

And a godroll Vraks7

But I don’t rly play Vraks7 due to its high point tax

[amber cliff]

do yall think a #veteran-class guy could fall in love with a #psyker-class girl?

[winter grove]

This is so fucking funny

Look where 3 of us are

Near the end of the level

Here's where our ogryn is

At the very fucking start

because quickplay is golden

[tall torrent]

How’s that even possible like

[winter grove]

He joined when 3 of us died

[tall torrent]

Aren’t there checkpoints

[winter grove]

Like frame perfect

Bot died too

[somber axle]

LMFAO

yeah I had that problem earlier too

3 dead me included

Psyker joins late

we're most of the way through the level but the Pysker spawns at the beginning and has to run the whole map solo

I think it's a new bug with the update

[tall torrent]

I need the Moebian drip

[winter grove]

gg no lift

The clutch potential was so big

[amber cliff]

im happy with my drip. not too sure on my backpack tho

[somber axle]

I'm using the same thing! 😄

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t that backpack clip into the Armor?

[somber axle]

I just unlocked the headset and went straight to my melee Vet loadout with the Catachan armour

[frank ether]

thats rough

[amber cliff]

I dunno? if it does it only happens at the back and I can't see shit

[frank ether]

thats a W though

[somber axle]

it's a very nice outfit

[amber cliff]

LOOOL that shotgun skin

[somber axle]

EXTRA LONG

[frank ether]

funnily enough I spent 10k trying to make agri rev

[amber cliff]

its so large

[somber axle]

THE LONGEST THERE EVER WAS

[frank ether]

not even a godroll, just a good one

but I got it

also kind of a fan of weapon specialist on it

[tall torrent]

I have a bunch of 540+ weapons on my veteran now

[somber axle]

Weapon Specialist guaranteed crit + Agripina slug is very funny

[frank ether]

It opens up for some funny possibilities

[amber cliff]

Heres my zealot using it. Shes the shorest character possible as well. Think urs the saem

Its just fucking so large

ignore the old Ui everyone it was a bleaker time

[somber axle]

Yeah I'm also playing minimum height Vet

[amber cliff]

gang gang

[bitter turtle]

sometimes the checkpoints bug

i have been in the correct place

and then as my teammate approaches

it teleports me ahead (or back to the beginning, like in that screenshot)

absolutely malding

[somber axle]

you ever have a match as melee vet where you feel like you were better in melee than all 3 zealots in the squad

I've never seen Zealots struggle on poxwalkers before

feels like lots of players are returning from a long hiatus for the new update and they're very rusty

[winter grove]

Yes

[sinful palm]

Rusty players and maybe some new ones but it's good in the end

[somber axle]

it's making regular damnation more stressful

matches are not normally so sweaty to eek out a win

[sinful palm]

Ehhh happens to fail once in a while but i don't mind

[last parcel]

time to relax in heres AAAAAAH FUUUUUUU

[sinful palm]

[somber axle]

If these are the creatures in Damnation I fear for what chaos is happening in Heresy LMFAO

[rigid pilot]

It's nice to see the panic jumpers back in full force

[sinful palm]

[winter grove]

More I look into it more I try to understand

How the fuck did I outdamage a zealot in MELEE

Hadron also gave me a good ass roll for atrox 4

[rigid pilot]

Powersword stronk

[winter grove]

nuh uh

chainaxe 12

I used chainaxe mk12

[rigid pilot]

Zealot hours

The psyker is real with the 1.9k total melee damage

[winter grove]

20% maniacs 8% groaners
headtaker 3 bromentum 4

[winter grove]

Psykers are so real for those moments fr

[rigid pilot]

2 melee kills

[winter grove]

[fleet garden]

who needs melee smh smh

[winter grove]

Psykers really don't as practice shows

lmao

[fleet garden]

just made this

too bad on the perk rolls, would rather have flak instead of maniac but it will do for now

[winter grove]

Rashad needs unarmored btw

[wanton dawn]

Easier than you think

Turn out vet has excellent passive & active dmg talent and the melee weapon with the best cleave

[idle bluff]

Are the infantry autoguns good? If so what's the best one?

[wanton dawn]

Ciag

It even has a shortened name everyone agree on, so you know its good

Columnus one

[idle bluff]

What does ciag stand for? U mean the columnus?

[wanton dawn]

Yeah

Maniac/flak standard with dumdum and... deathspitter me think

[idle bluff]

What about the braced autoguns?

[wanton dawn]

Agripinaa

[idle bluff]

I'm returning. Idk why but I build a graia on my vet

[wanton dawn]

That on FS not you

[idle bluff]

Is the graia bad now?

[wanton dawn]

I dont play it idk

[junior needle]

Rashad needs to hit bruiser one shot breakpoints for optimal brutal usage, of which unarmored is required and flak can be skipped if you have enough melee juice

[junior needle]

Graia brauto is fine post buff if you brace it constantly

columnus brauto is the worst one

Just don't use it

Agri is better generally speaking

[wanton dawn]

Can somewhat be skipped on agile engagement build

[junior needle]

But it's not the biggest difference

[idle bluff]

Going on a mission to get the steel to turn infested to maniac

I wanted one to be a decent ad clear sidearm for my plasmagun. What do you think?

[junior needle]

Maniac is not good on melee weapons unless you regularly use it to fight naked ragers

Which is more of an option now actually

[idle bluff]

What do you reccomend?

[junior needle]

Depends, you could take maniac if it helps you one shot on a parry

[idle bluff]

I've legit never used one of these so I'm prolly not hitting a parry

[junior needle]

Unarmored helps generally for clear because groaners and both bruiser types have unarmored parts (groaners are entirely unarmored)

Parry is super easy

Just try to aim the strike for the head

Infested can also help for clear depending on the weapon as well

[viral swallow]

What am I rerolling here 🤔

[rapid palm]

try and get poper cycler 4

power

[viral swallow]

wouldn't that be nice

maybe in 2 years when I finally see one

[slate hawk]

Reroll it into a shovel mk3

[rapid palm]

speaking of the shovel, is that a good option for dealing with crushers? wanna try running a lasgun but I need a way to fight carapace that isnt krak grenades, sense you wont always have those

I have not played this game in a WHILE

[junior needle]

Which shovel

Folds are

[rapid palm]

yeah the folding ones

[junior needle]

Standard is eh even with uncanny

Gets the job done but doesn’t obliterate them or anything

[junior needle]

That first target damage

Shame

[slate hawk]

Granted i did change things

[junior needle]

First target damage is very important

[slate hawk]

Oh I know

[rapid palm]

do ya need +carpace on the folding shovel?

[slate hawk]

Nah

[winter grove]

Yes

[junior needle]

It can get you to one tap on at least one of them iirc

[slate hawk]

That is if you want to Use it as a utility against maulers and crushers

I just use my plasma gun

[rapid palm]

I already have a godroll plasma

im looking for a way to deal with crushers and maulers that isnt krak grenades so I can try out other guns

[slate hawk]

Plasma gun is your answer to them tho

[winter grove]

Not always

[trim steppe]

shovel can be a good choice, use it to counter meaty boys, shredders for heavy swarms, and whatever gun you wanna try

[winter grove]

Plasma users in shambles after surv nerf

[rapid palm]

tbh plasma didnt realy get hit THAT hard

its bolter that got totaly screwed

[winter grove]

It's still an indirect nerf

A noticeable one

[slate hawk]

I do feel it, but it's not too bad tbh

[rapid palm]

eh, take the extra ammo cap node and its fine, and plasma just hits so hard its kinda justified for it to get a small nerf tbh, but with bolter your just fucked, cuz ya need to mag dump into big targets

anyway I gotta go sleep

[slate hawk]

Before you go

[rapid palm]

?

[slate hawk]

Who's best princess?

[trim steppe]

bonk bonk bonk

[rapid palm]

take a good long look at my name and profile pic

[slate hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/dillon-you-son-of-a-national-handshake-day-classic-reaction-handshake-reaction-gif-25297728

[slate hawk]

Pure dopamine

[trim steppe]

I should go back to shovel soon

But I finally got a godroll Rashad and its hard to put down

Its strong and it took me forever to find so it feels extra good lol

[slate hawk]

That's a axe right?

[trim steppe]

ya the combat axe

Its one of the harder (hardest?) weapons to godroll cuz you need 4/4 and also 4/5 stats

chef kiss

I do wonder if the latest patch tweaked any of the requirements on Rashad, maybe one of the big brain vets will know

[slate hawk]

I haven't used axes that much

But if I recall I have heard good things about that 1

[trim steppe]

Its really nice in that it can horde clear very well including 1-shotting multiple bruisers at once, AND can still provide an answer to most other threats. 1-2 shot on most elites, 3-4 shot on crushers, decent monstro damage

[slate hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[pallid jetty]

style on these heretics

[topaz lance]

VoC is a crutch and should be nerfed. Exe Stance buff is not enough yet.

[radiant chasm]

exe stance is massive VoC just exists

[topaz lance]

I have refused to use voice in the past, but now grinding penances makes me have to take it. I's just a snoozefest of an ability imo.

[thorn lark]

You don't have to take a voc upgrade. And if you want to do a melee vet and not bother with stealth... Well there's no point going exec.

At that point just use voc + nodes giving your bonus on attacking. You got a discount chastise.

[topaz lance]

Hm but don't I need the upgrade to get the penance quicker?

[thorn lark]

I mean in general if you don't want to abuse the over shield

[terse idol]

You should take the upgrade to grind it out faster

7500 is alot

[pastel geode]

As unpopular as recon las is, what's the best one+blessings

[terse idol]

Like if you don't like it, might ad well get it out of the way fasterr

[thorn lark]

6d with infernus headhunter/dumdum

[dapper agate]

I hope recon las gets buffed soon, needs more finesse and carried ammo.

[pastel geode]

Think I could get away with running this?

[ionic kiln]

Headhunter would be for reliably proccing infernus

[thorn lark]

^

But you can still use it like that. I don't remember recon adm against flak. Is it bad?

Because you may have to change one perk

[grand perch]

maniac, flak or critical chance is BiS

[trim hemlock]

In what way is Crit damage best in slot

[frank ether]

it is indeed one of the ultimates of all time

[vague smelt]

hotfix just dropped

[grand perch]

im just quoting the guide, but id say to trigger storm trooper ammo savings

also infernus

i just realised i put crit damage instead of chance, my mistake

[slow sky]

We can finally get the gold title

[trim hemlock]

Pffft

Reject title is all I need

[radiant chasm]

Crit chance isn’t need either you’d be better with 10% elite even or any 25% damage perk

[agile forge]

Tbh recon is very popular from my experience, it's just bad lmao

[pastel geode]

Gonna be more popular thanks to the skin that just dropped lol

[umbral scaffold]

dump infernus, inferus sucks balls at rats

[umbral scaffold]

VIIa is not bad at all (it's just a smirge damage less than CIAG, can't kill body shoot, has better ammo mng than CIAG), it's bad cuz ppl sucks at the game

[agile forge]

Much worse weakspot/crit modifiers right?

[umbral scaffold]

if u consistently head shot the damage difference is almost negligible

[agile forge]

What are the multipliers on the 7a?

On CIAG the multipliers are huge, like 2.1 crit and 2.8 ws or so iirc

[radiant chasm]

Ciag is not negligibly better than recon lol

If you want a proper recon, get that fast firing inflas (i dont remember the code but my vet has it) get the full auto mod off the nexus

[umbral scaffold]

idk whatever it is u have 30% more on vet

[radiant chasm]

Hold down m1, congrats you have an automatic las rifle that actually chunks people

[radiant chasm]

The 30% scales off the weapons base bonus,

[uncut ore]

aight we know the drill

how do I cook this into fine gun?

[radiant chasm]

Yee mk4 inflas

[odd sparrow]

Change perks to flak and maniac me thinks

[agile forge]

That is irrelevant lmao

[uncut ore]

I suppose the better question is can I make it better than this?

[umbral scaffold]

i don't say better, i was talking of damage per shot, if u have some basic aim skills the 2 can perform equally well (and recon has still less muzzle rise, making it easy to hit weakspots even at long distance)

[agile forge]

Well that one has 2 dogshit tier perks so you should be able to get better with that

[uncut ore]

what perks do I want on it?

blessings I mean

[umbral scaffold]

converting it in ordos

[agile forge]

No, not equally well lmao. A recon will definitely kill slower, and CIAG has a better weakspot multiplier so will actually reward accuracy more

[radiant chasm]

Recoil control and lol no, person with better aim will do much better than a ciag

[uncut ore]

nvm I rolled another one and hadron blessed me

[umbral scaffold]

press x

[radiant chasm]

Infernus is bad on inflas since they deal such high damage

[woven vigil]

I hope this camo variant comes to shop soon. Not a big fan of the green or kasrkin versions

[radiant chasm]

Mine run headhunter deadly accurate

I just ping heads all day

Low stopping power hurts tho

Dont remember how much but i would inspect it

[umbral scaffold]

take down a sniper from the other side of the map with CIAG and than with recon ,than repharase your statment..anyway the difference is ammo efficency vs ttk, ehat i'am say is that in terms of ttk there's no a crippling difference between the 2

[agile forge]

Stopping power is typically more important than damage

[radiant chasm]

I take down snipers from the otherside of the map with brautos and shotguns

[radiant chasm]

Both are important. Damage is based damage, stopping power is your ADMs aka armor effectiveness

[umbral scaffold]

oh yes, i wanna see that, with wariable pelltes on shotguns totally feaseble...

[agile forge]

The only thing my CIAG doesn't help against really is Carapace. Snipers are definitely no problem at all lmao

[agile forge]

Hello, do you understand how guns work in this game?

[radiant chasm]

Like im not even a good fps player but lol ciags are not hard to control

[agile forge]

Like, what minimum pellet count does

[agile forge]

Often SP seems to have a much wider range than damage though

[umbral scaffold]

i said that's is hard to control?

[radiant chasm]

Nah let them keeping digging this hole showing how unskilled they are

[umbral scaffold]

are u talking about u? shitters

[radiant chasm]

Yes, but i’d still rank them both the same on principle, your base damage is what all your bonuses get applied to

[radiant chasm]

If all you smell is shit, it’s in your own pants

[agile forge]

Look. It's OK to like a gun without having to pretend it's the best. Recons objectively are not the best, and CIAG is honestly overpowered and probably has a nerf coming

[radiant chasm]

Take a sniper across the map with a ciag? Lol thats nothing compared to using a brauto. And recon lasguns dont have reverse fall off anymore so they are worse at taking out snipers

Oh yea recons are fine

Well, one mark is fine

But the claims made are just ridiculous

[umbral scaffold]

u talk shit whithout actually understanding what i wrote....if u play the game how you making arguments you prolly smoking trash...

so fuck u

[rigid pilot]

.....

[agile forge]

Very cute

You are not making sense

You claim a recon 7a rewards aiming better than a CIAG

[radiant chasm]

I see you have no counters to my statements

[agile forge]

I mean what the fuck lol

[umbral scaffold]

eat grass

[agile forge]

I do not let misinformation stand.

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-enter-leave-bye-gif-16118048

[radiant chasm]

Too busy smokin it

[umbral scaffold]

fucking junky

[radiant chasm]

It’s a joke not a dick, no need to be hard

[umbral scaffold]

fucking useless assholes

[agile forge]

Doesn't discord have an age restriction?

[wanton dawn]

Rule 1

[vivid silo]

Look into the mechanic "Minimum Pellet Count" Lord Daedalus, before this escalates further

[umbral scaffold]

fuck u too

[radiant chasm]

Lol are you really going to go with the “everyone is dumb except for me”

[vivid silo]

In regards to taking out Snipers from long range with Shotguns

Also, one of the Shotguns is literally a sniper rifle with the special shot

[agile forge]

Some people can't take being wrong lmao

They throw this whole emotional meltdown over it

[vivid silo]

You could also have just explained why he was wrong, instead of being obtuse about it

[radiant chasm]

I gotta say, this vacation from zealot chat cause i played vet all day today, is pretty nice

[vivid silo]

But yeah, it escalated quickly after that

[agile forge]

That was the second point tbh

[ruby moss]

hey guys, anyone got any stats on how bad Scavenger is nerfed?

[radiant chasm]

We did, idk how we could explain it further

[wanton dawn]

I would @ warden but i dont want to bother them knowing the dude will leave at some point anyway

[radiant chasm]

Just has a 5 second cooldown

[agile forge]

He already wasn't responding at all when I was trying to explain the difference between CIAG and recon 7

[radiant chasm]

It just means you can’t roflstomp with infinite ammo, you will have to put some thought in it besides stormtroopers lasguns. Maybe pick up a small ammo pack once in a while

[ruby moss]

ik, but i mean in percentages.
How many elites and specialists are killed during an average damnation game, if each one is 1% ammo.

[forest breach]

Do zealots even play anything but the knife? i dont remember the last time i've seen a random zealot player with another weapon

[radiant chasm]

I am a chainaxe enthusiast

And hippie

[agile forge]

Lots of evis enjoyers around too

[radiant chasm]

I played it before it was good 😤

[agile forge]

I like my Crusher

And my heavy sword

[radiant chasm]

I dont think that has been figured out yet

[forest breach]

respect

[vivid silo]

The thing is, many kills are made within a very short timeframe, followed by luls and then another dump, meaning the nerf likely hits harder than some might think

[radiant chasm]

All i know is it is still the best aura still and solves most ammo problems. It just won’t enable silly things like wasting shots in no ammo pickup maelstrom

[wanton dawn]

Its over 50% loss in efficiency at higher diff

[vivid silo]

Yay, I'm not alone!

[ruby moss]

this is what is bothering me, exactly

[forest breach]

ammo efficiency be damned, ill magdump my bolter at yellow outlines

[wanton dawn]

And am very conservative in saying that

[vivid silo]

Aye I definitely feels the difference with the aura, but mostly on the ammo counts of my teammates

[radiant chasm]

Yea, and even in higher diff it’s still amazing, it just pushes the gameplay more to resemble games without survivalist

[wanton dawn]

Bolter ammo eco is gutted

[agile forge]

Yeah, like half of my games don't have a surv vet in them anyway

[forest breach]

dont mind the guttural voices in the background

[agile forge]

Bolter just needs a big love patch now anyway

[wanton dawn]

Recon too

[radiant chasm]

Bolter is fun for magdumping on zealot and not fun any other time

The problen with recon is that it is piss easy to use, so logically it can’t be better than the weapons with actual mechanics like recoil or ammo

[agile forge]

Yeah, I do still wanna try a Bolter zealot out but it's hard for me to swap off Zarona on zealot

[radiant chasm]

I remember patch 13 recons when vets had unlimited rending and watching just clown laser shows with vets walking up to crushers to blast their face with recon

[ruby moss]

So if average damnation game is 30 min, which is 1800 sec, divied by five seconds Survivalist CD, is 360.

But you Wont get 360% of ammo, cause the elites are grouped up in waves.

If we are being hypothetical, and say that you get half of those kills in ammo, its around. 180% of the ammo cap during one game.

Now I need someone with the scoreboard mod to tell us how many elites and specialists spawn during a game of damnation for comparison.

[agile forge]

But what if you add Kurt Angle to the mix

[frank ether]

they're really not, I'm baffled anytime someone says iags have too much recoil

not even saying this in a deragotary tone

I think it may be an FoV problem

[radiant chasm]

This is gonna be a hot take for you templars but i think it would be best for the game health if they tied survivalist to ammo pickups and buffed the number

[agile forge]

I think they should put different ammo regen things in the 3 keystones

And change survivalist entirely

[radiant chasm]

Ammo picked up in coherency refills 5% (small) 10% (large) ammo for you and all allies in coherency

That way it is balanced between difficulties and not revolving around specialist/elite spawns

Instead it’s a fixed, semi random amount of ammo that already exists in the map

[frank ether]

I think that opens another can of worms

[bitter turtle]

no

that sounds fucking annoying

if people beg you to come near you every time they see an ammo pickup

or whinge about it

how about just delete the stupid aura and balance the game

or frankly

most guns are perfectly fine without it

just balance the handful of outliers that were depending on it not to huff 20 ammo packs a map like shredder autopistol (which is shit anyway regardless)

[radiant chasm]

I mean that would be ideal but that might cause a mass review bomb like the power cycler nerf of olde

[frank ether]

yeah just delete the aura and let veteran be free of this bickering, I don't want to hear another player bitch at me for running the ''trolling aura''

there aren't enough players left to make a review bomb but who knows

always possible

[radiant chasm]

They either need to remove it, rework it so it isn’t oppressive, or somehow give every class an ammo regen option and nerf map drops

[frank ether]

another thing people don't talk about is peril

[radiant chasm]

And i’d rather them just remove it

[frank ether]

I'm all for rebalancing ammo economy and removing infinite ammo gameplay

but I think its helpful to mention psyker is a stupid class

and does everything people accuse of veteran getting away with

without even having to aim

[woeful galleon]

I'd love to see everyone get ammo regen, not because I think it'd actually be a good idea at all for the game, but because by God the community would lose their fucking minds

[frank ether]

If it was up to me I would rebalance ranged enemies entirely and make it so ammo drops are a mechanic only specific to ranged enemies.

[radiant chasm]

As long as they dont add healers or dedicated supports

[frank ether]

This game is fundementally problematic

you shoot the rager and then melee the shotgunner pack

its stupid

[radiant chasm]

The day a healer is added im quitting

[radiant chasm]

Tbf i kinda like it

The enemies are in some cases weak to the opposite flavor

[woeful galleon]

Ah yes, so you can have a new and fresh slave-class to be abused in game chat. Nah that'd be a disaster, plus I enjoy support from time to time and that's what shield psyker is for.

[austere pine]

a mutant being weak to melee will never not be funny to me

"hit the big burky man wjth a kbife"

[radiant chasm]

Like the twins boss fight. Melee sister takes more from ranged, ranged brother taking more damage from melee

[frank ether]

I don't think it creates good gameplay

[radiant chasm]

Reminds me of teaching my friends how to shove pox bursters cause they were new

“Why would i want to touch something that explodes”

stunlocked me

[analog mural]

Well ideally you kill the Bursters before they get close enough to bother pushing

[radiant chasm]

Yea that was their plan, shoot it, then try running away and complaining it still hit them

I think the game needs a new optional tutorial going over specials and elites

[frank ether]

some guns have impact to knock them down, some dont

either way I hope and cope for better scab AI someday, or just better and scarier scabs in general

[vague smelt]

hey guys I'm a veteran too

[low maple]

the game needs like five minutes of relentless abuse directed at the player about poxbursters and how to deal with them

[radiant chasm]

Cause i guess dodging and shoving for specials doesnt come naturally

[woeful galleon]

Takes time and practice, and plenty of shrapnel wounds, to learn that the next step is "You touch something that explodes, because otherwise IT will touch you."

[agile forge]

Have a gauntlet maybe lol

[pearl granite]

these sets look pretty cool!

[low maple]

"do you want it to explode here or over there"

[woeful galleon]

Looks legit to me

[radiant chasm]

Zealot looks like a dunce cap

[slate hawk]

With a name like that I know I'll never be betrayed

[frank ether]

you know who's getting one

[low maple]

klaxons blare in the mourningstar and your character gets dragged aside and executed for heresy and sabotage if the game detects you binding tag to left click

[woeful galleon]

Imagine living such a shit life that you're both a psyker AND a parachutist

[frank ether]

Also on the aura discussion I see way too many ppl discussing how to rebalance the ammo economy part after survivalist is gone and almost no one suggesting what would replace it, let alone discuss how uninspired the other two auras are

[radiant chasm]

Weakspot damage?

[frank ether]

I mean the concept of auras are stupid to me to begin with, I do not like them

[pearl granite]

I always shoot at their head for maximum damage bonus point if friendly is nearby so they can get a free ticket to the ground down below

[radiant chasm]

Is that about aura already i dont remember

But weakspot damage would fit marksman

[frank ether]

sure, could work, but thats about %90 of left tree to begin with

[austere pine]

even the voicelines sometimes say to shoot them and to keep far from them

[frank ether]

I guess if its not ranged only it could still be neat though

[bitter turtle]

auras are dumb becaues they are baiscally justs personal boosts

honestly

damage auras are the worst offenders of this

[agile forge]

That's a good plan A tbh

[bitter turtle]

nobody gives a fuck you brought +10% heavy attack damage on ogryn besides yourself

[radiant chasm]

I cant think of much else. Damage while ads/alt fire with ranged weapons

[agile forge]

I guess it makes my Zealot happy

[pearl granite]

if this helmet give me an extra flashlight, i'll buy it in a heartbeat

[radiant chasm]

Hey i use mk4 chaxe

[frank ether]

I treat them as personal boost aswell but with that thinking I'd much rather have a stamina flavor aura for left tree than yet another weakspot booster which is quite literally %90 of the sharpshooter tree

[bitter turtle]

its not about whether or not you use heavy attacks

[radiant chasm]

I love those ogryn so

[bitter turtle]

its that

nobody builds

[agile forge]

The 20% damage to suppressed enemies is actually quite big too

[bitter turtle]

their weapon around

"if you have ogryn 10% heavy attack aura then i hit this breakpoint"

its fundamentally just nonsensical

[frank ether]

yeah breakpoints just render damage auras rather useless

we already see it with fireteam

it will only ever be relevant to you

[bitter turtle]

you should be building for bps independent of whether or not your teammate HAPPENS to have a certain aura and also HAPPENS to be in coherency

and if you do that, then the aura functionally did nothing

[agile forge]

It helps a few of my builds that have fast firing shit

[frank ether]

Only ever adds boss dps

[bitter turtle]

well

suppression damage certainly isnt adding boss dps

[radiant chasm]

Not exactly considering direct FT BPs with mk4 chaxe

Just general clear times

[bitter turtle]

have you actually tested whether it changes anything for you or is this just a feels thing

[agile forge]

Damage vs suppressed enemies is a large enough bonus to be way more considerable though

[radiant chasm]

My BPs are already settled, ogryn aura just helps me club through groups slightly faster

[bitter turtle]

that one is probably the most applicable to teammate aura

but even then

its contingent on ussing an automatic and suppressing enemies

and of course, being in coherency

[radiant chasm]

Im going to take an educated guess and say i hit at least one BP in my cleave profike

[agile forge]

It's a feeling thing. My psyker CIAG damage is so variable on SG and DD stacks too, and peril

[bitter turtle]

its just not a thing you really should think or consider

like that's probably

the best aura in terms of actually affecting teammates yeah

and still

does that not sound incredibly niche

you have to be using a certain type of weapon

doing a certain mechanic that is honestly not always good to do

and also be in coherency

[agile forge]

Two of the psyker auras are noticeable too

[frank ether]

%5 crit is a lot better than %5 damage because crit works entirely differently

[agile forge]

CDR and crit auras are good

I'm actually glad they're mostly minor bonuses tbh

[bitter turtle]

those are fine

[agile forge]

I think them being heavily impactful pigeonholes you

[bitter turtle]

i mostly mean just damage auras in terms of being really badly designed

[radiant chasm]

Crit cdr needs a nerf to the ground

Signed zealot

[agile forge]

Fire team is vet's worst aura imo

[bitter turtle]

it is

[agile forge]

One of the worst in the game

[bitter turtle]

but not because its especially terrible

not really

i mean

[frank ether]

It is, but speed is not a whole lot better either

[bitter turtle]

is it really that much worse than 7.5% but only against elites

or 10% but only on your heavy attacks

[radiant chasm]

It is stupid how every zealot melee can run crit cdr just cause you get 55% free crit chance from your tree that sustains itself indefinitely

[bitter turtle]

if anything i'd say the psyker one is probably worse, even post buff

i think gaining a damage boost that affects unarmored/infested enemies is probably more relevant than a minor 2.5% extra but only on elites

in case you really need that extra push for your rashad or something

not that many sources of extra damge vs unarmored enemies

[radiant chasm]

Psyker is pretty bad to but my issue with psyker is that i can grab every toughness regen talent up top and still have enough points to fill up the tree for my builds perfectly

[agile forge]

An EP enjoyer I see, lol

[bitter turtle]

tangential but i kinda prefer zealot/vet styled trees more than ogryn/psyker

the tree structure

idk

just my feeling

[radiant chasm]

Same works with warp charges

[agile forge]

Warp charges are expensive, I can't hold everything I want with that

I even sacrifice Kinetic deflection

[bitter turtle]

feels like psyker/ogryn structure tree is a lot more

railroad-y

like there's very little room to deviate and you just go down your set path

kinda boring imo

[agile forge]

Vet is even more forced imo though

[bitter turtle]

not really

if you go down right side you're literally forced into certain abilities

on psyker

and vice versa

[agile forge]

There's stuff in the left and middle end legs that are non-negotiable for Vet

[austere pine]

i think this for zealot could be cool

[bitter turtle]

like what

[agile forge]

Psyker mostly has short legs

[austere pine]

kill the heretic, purge the unclean

[bitter turtle]

there's literally 1 talent that's non negotiable and its easy to pick up

[agile forge]

Ogryn damage, Elite damage I think? I forget, haven't logged in for a few days

[bitter turtle]

those are not non negotiable

the only talent that i would argue no tree reallys hould never skip is cdr on specialist kill

that's it

ogryn/monstro damage is great and all but i dont grab it on most of my trees tbh

only if it actually accomplishes something in regards to a bp

i mean

literally

[austere pine]

bp this, bp that

[bitter turtle]

revolver doesn't run it

[austere pine]

i like shooting big monster in head

[bitter turtle]

so how is it non negotiable when one fo the best guns don't use it

[frank ether]

cdr is an always pick by its nature

[wanton dawn]

30% weakspot is also hard to skip

[bitter turtle]

that one i rarely skip i agree

but i still wouldn't quite call it must pick

[wanton dawn]

Lets call it a "never ignore"

[agile forge]

I consider them to be more crucial than anything psyker has which requires a similar point investment

The only thing psyker needs to get non-negotiably, outside of the top level shit, is Warp Rider

[bitter turtle]

to begin with

i was not really speaking about whether abilities are non negotiable

i was saying i dont like the structure of

say, for example

you literally physically cannot run assail and wildfire together

and because of that when i was building the tree i felt like i was jjust autopiloting down the tree

[topaz lance]

Double barrel release when?
Bolt pistol release when?
I need new weapons.

[tame lodge]

Nothing confirmed

Not yet

[serene bough]

elysian troop outfits after nerfing recon even further

fatshark is literally trolling

[gaunt hinge]

the recon nerf was a while ago werent it

[serene bough]

indirectly survivialist nerf is nerfing recon further

[agile forge]

There was another one kinda this patch

It hurt a lot of weapons, but some more than others

And recons are in the "more" pile

[junior needle]

Already underperforming weapons were made worse

[frank ether]

Idk what anyone expected

[tropic imp]

Recon 7 works good

[frank ether]

I guess recon might be less affected by this nerf

since you dodn't kill things fast enough .d

well I'd much rather they removed survivalist and be done with it honestly

[junior needle]

Recon 7 is still underperforming

It's not even the highest dps variant, although it does have pen

[tropic imp]

I use it like a brauto

Obviously much worse damage but ammo is lasting me much longer

And can kill some snipers that brauto cant

[agile forge]

Abrauto always could kill snipers, just had to tap fire a few times

[somber axle]

AHAHAHAHAHA

YESSSSSS

RECON IV SKIN AND ELYSIAN

FATSHARK DOES CARE

[woeful galleon]

I'm glad to see there's a fair bunch of happy people this rotation

[somber axle]

About me and a very small number of people who use Recon

[agile forge]

Lots of people use recon lmao

It's why fatshark hasn't noticed that it needs a bit of love yet I think

[somber axle]

Are Gun Psykers even still human

[tiny summit]

No. They ascended

[agile forge]

Well gun psykers don't use recons lol

[somber axle]

they're living beyond us mere mortals

[woeful galleon]

When you get the nicknames of "Gunkers" there's no more space for humanity

[somber axle]

I wish you were right but like it's way more common than recon vets in quickplay in my experience

[agile forge]

Gundalf also acceptable

Ugh, psyker has bad synergy with recon though

[woeful galleon]

Even prefered if you ask me

[tiny summit]

How the fuck? I tried recon gunker once. Fucking loathed that mission

[agile forge]

At least Onslaught helps it out on vet

Psyker needs guns with good finesse

Unless you're doing a shit Kinetic Flayer focused build

[somber axle]

I see a surprising number of Gunkers with Recons

[agile forge]

Tbf a lot of gunkers are shit

[somber axle]

on one hand I am excited to see another recon user but on another hand I'm scratching my head on why a Psyker is using one

[woeful galleon]

Eh, full auto weapons feel good, and recon are the only full auto lasguns

[somber axle]

you're correct

[woeful galleon]

It's not surprising, though with a psyker they really don't work well

[agile forge]

CIAG, accatran laspistol, zarona and maybe headhunters are the acceptable guns imo

[somber axle]

unless you're a clown like me

[agile forge]

For psyker I mean

[somber axle]

oh you mean for Gunker

[tiny summit]

I remember this plasma vet flamed me for no reason. 3/4 into the game. "Stupid gunker taking and wasting all the ammo" when I was basically sustained off his aura and only ever picking a couple of small ammo boxes when everyone else was white or not caring after I pinged

He was barely keeping up with my dmg

[river silo]

can anyone give me a rundown between the two (relatively new) shovels

[tiny summit]

Don't remember. Pretty much the same except moveset

[dire olive]

Bad players are often bad because they blame others instead of improving themselves

[agile forge]

Lots of people are full on prejudiced against gundalfs

Entirely based on feels

[frank ether]

I just want the steel legion back and at this point kinda accepted it probably never will be lmao

[woeful galleon]

Sounds like your average toxic vet alright, damn people would want the entire game to be Vets with surv.

[somber axle]

it's because plasma vets are arguably one of the builds hurt the most by the surv aura nerf and he's coping by looking for someone else to blame rather than adapting to the nerf

[tiny summit]

It was pre surv nerf

[somber axle]

oh then he was just bad LMFAO

[woeful galleon]

Kinda same, would reaaaally like to see again some of the stuff I missed before I joined the game, both the commissar stuff and the "parade look" for that steel legion helmet with the goggles raised.

[woeful galleon]

Yeah assumed so, man they must've LOVED the changes to their precious little commando

[frank ether]

That bundle used to be 2400 and had like all sorts of stuff in it, if it returns I suspect they'll just cut off the extras or ramp the price, or both. Thats like a big if on whether it will return though

[woeful galleon]

For sure, currently it does look like they're intento on putting new stuff each rotation even if just recolors or small modifications. It's why at some point I do hope they put up a shot for like, stuff that's older than a year or so.

[frank ether]

Don't think they ever will

they're a slave to investors

such is the state of gaming

[river silo]

you say it like investors are this boogeyman

[frank ether]

they literally are though

[river silo]

they're rly not

its just ppl demanding companies make more money

[frank ether]

you think the 3d artists making these models profit from nickel and diming you

[river silo]

companies may fumble over themselves to do it but its not rly the ancient boogeyman

no, the people nickel and diming me aren't the investors either though

its the people who set up the mtx

[agile forge]

Greedy assholes are greedy assholes

[river silo]

the people who decided what the optimal prices are

for max psychological gains

[woeful galleon]

Eh probably. Thankfully i'll be honest man, I don't really care, I do consider myself wise enough to not expect too much from this kind of things, if it DOES happen, it will just be a happy surprise.

[frank ether]

who do you think sets up the mtx

[river silo]

there's jobs over that, and those r the boogeymen in the dark lol

not the investors lmfao

investors do not touch your game directly

they just say, pls make more money

[frank ether]

except they literally do, in so many instances

[agile forge]

Fiduciary responsibility as a concept is the real problem

[somber axle]

ngl I woke up, learned of the Elysian Drop Trooper outfits on the shop and bought literally every single one, a bunch of the side helmets and all the weapon skins tbh

[frank ether]

you're native if you think they just fund a game and not touch anything

or ignorant on purpose

[somber axle]

idc if it's expensive as long as they give me something pretty to wear

[agile forge]

The company is required to maximise returns for the investors, legally

[river silo]

investors literally do not touch the game itself..?

investors just demand that the game makes more money

[woeful galleon]

You live your best life Sneaky cat

[river silo]

i am literally someone who works on software which has investors

we have advisors who set up your boogeymen mtx equivalencies

[agile forge]

It's not enough to be making enough money though

[somber axle]

I am

[river silo]

ofc not, there's new investors who jump on board and want more

big bubble that will burst

[somber axle]

my job is stressful enough that splurging on games is worth

[agile forge]

You have to maximise it for the leeches to get optimally fat

[river silo]

but alas, its still not them optimising the right amount of money to set for a mtx

that's someone in fatshark doing that, who was hired to do that

[somber axle]

I do not do drugs, I do not drink, I do not gamble, I do not really have any vice other than gaming

[river silo]

mtx and its equivalencies now have whole teams with psychiatrists determining what is optimal

[serene bough]

you dont need to justify your purchase, if you want it and have disposable income then buy it

[river silo]

^

[somber axle]

sometimes I have to justify it to myself because it feels insane spending this much on funny outfits

[river silo]

honestly i can justify it p easily with just "how much time does this game give me"

though im not whaling out on every outfit

[brazen lake]

ive easily spent $200 on this game already

[frank ether]

darktide mtx pricing is batshit insane but I've seen far, far worse in games that cater to asian markets or certain type of playerbases

[agile forge]

Psychologists

[woeful galleon]

I mean, it's a bit of a waste of money perhaps, but so long as one can properly take care of themselves it's really up to them, if you get enjoyment too out of it it can even be worth it. Plus as you said, it's not exactly as being a alcoholic

[river silo]

sorry, wrong term

you get what i'm putting down

[somber axle]

yeah I'm fine it's not like I'm throwing myself into debt over game cosmetics

[agile forge]

Yeah, I have a psych degree and I hate those bastards lol

[serene bough]

as long as the premium sets dont sell in game advantages I dont care if others splurge to fund/support the game I play the most

but the prices are pretty high sometimes

[agile forge]

There's a lot of darkside shit you can do with even basic psychology knowledge

[somber axle]

I just have a disposable income and no kids, no school debt and no medical debt

[river silo]

nah i do mind when a game gives no cosmetics

[woeful galleon]

"They'll take the house but at least my OC Columnus Gunker will look fancy AF "

[river silo]

its just cosmetics isnt a great argument when that's half of the reason people play arpgs

or mmos

[frank ether]

you have to mind

[somber axle]

LMFAO

[frank ether]

eventually the game will become for the whales

not for you

[river silo]

cosmetics are really a large part of the drive to play

lol what

[somber axle]

I kinda look at it like most people buying a game probably don't buy in-game cosmetics for real money and something has to keep the lights on and the servers running so in a way it's helping support the devs to help keep the game going

[serene bough]

there's some truth to this, but mostly in games where MTX sell power and give significant boosts or advantages against other players

[river silo]

support the devs is a poor argument, BUT you're right

[somber axle]

I know in college I definitely wasn't buying game cosmetics like this

[river silo]

most people don't do MTX

which is why companies don't follow the gamer rhetoric of

[agile forge]

Tbh I don't mind darktide's mtx implementation

[river silo]

"make it 5$ and 5 people will buy it vs 1 person buying 25$"

[somber axle]

I know Fatshark has a history of trouble with Darktide but tbh I love the gameplay loop and if I like a game that's really the only thing that makes me ok to support them with extra purchases

[river silo]

and obv when someone does eventually buy 1 mtx, its 5x the value it would've been

[agile forge]

It's much less player unfriendly than most I have seen

[somber axle]

I've spent a weird amount of money on FF14

[river silo]

ff14 kinda is really bad value for money but that's the case with a lot of mmos

[frank ether]

If a game is built to survive off of whales it will inevitable evolve to cater to whales and thats where resources will roll towards

thats how you get games with like %90 of the art assets ending up in cash shop

[river silo]

yeah except if those art assets don't go into maps or such the whales will simply not play

[thorny current]

even if you buy all cosmetics since Darktide release you'd still be in Minnow territory

[somber axle]

spending hundreds to thousands of dollars for emotes, outfits, mounts, etc.
some people are literally spending irl money for dyes and character appearance changes every few days/weeks too

the shop monetization is much worse in FF14 than Darktide

[river silo]

which is insane considering you pay a sub fee, the price for the game, price for expansions

[somber axle]

but no one over there really cares that much

yeah exactly

[frank ether]

yet you have darktide whales logging every two weeks to check commodore

[river silo]

and then have items in the cash shop that unironically work worse than items you farm

[frank ether]

when was the last map we had? half a year ago

[river silo]

because that's what the content was for a while? as said, cosmetics do drive player engagement

[somber axle]

hi it's me the whale

[river silo]

yeah and what content did we have period? you're looking at the wrong causation

[somber axle]

I do actually remember when Darktide drops new cosmetics and check biweekly because it's always the week after payday for me

[river silo]

dt's cash shop will keep rotating because they have apparently even outsourced a lot of that work

and they have a massive pile they're still sitting on.. and they can sell recolours

[frank ether]

thats a problematic feedback loop but I'm not the one to tell you where to spend your own money

as long as you're not in debt or anything

[river silo]

anyways im here to ask about veteran shovels man

mk 3 and mk7 what's the damn difference

[frank ether]

one looks uglier

[river silo]

nothing the weapon customization mod/a skin wouldnt fix

[somber axle]

I'm not in debt

[frank ether]

well to be real the difference is attack pattern really

[somber axle]

I just have a weird amount of disposable income and no other vices other than gaming to spend it on

I do the same thing with any game I play

[frank ether]

fair, I'm not judging as I said

[river silo]

hm

[somber axle]

if I like game, I'm ok buying MTX stuff to support it more

[river silo]

two horizontal heavies or horizontal heavy -> top heavy

[somber axle]

with SWTOR I stopped buying MTX stuff before quitting entirely after they sorta burned the playerbase hard

[river silo]

what do you think is better, considering that top heavy kinda doesnt have a place with the spike/weapon shovel flip

[somber axle]

imagine waiting for an xpac and it's 1 hour long with no endgame and a single broken dungeon

[river silo]

ig if there's multiple elites

[somber axle]

and it's also on a major holiday/anniversary for the game's lifetime

rip SWTOR

[frank ether]

I just think it might be a bit of a feedback loop spending on MTX on payday on a consistent basis would condition some people to associate the two with each other is what my dumb brain is trying to get at I guess

[woeful galleon]

I do get the worry, but it's also a bit of a slippery slope

Like there's definitely some people who just do that to an unhealthy level

[frank ether]

human psych is a slippery slope

[woeful galleon]

Pattern seeking in general

[somber axle]

you're absolutely right that someone in marketing somewhere did the research and is aggressively playing into psychology to get the maximum return on it all

[woeful galleon]

And would you look at what the human brain excels at

[frank ether]

I have the opposite problem I think

[somber axle]

unfortunately it's just the era of gaming we live in where corporate suits are sniffing for money in every facet of gaming

[frank ether]

sometimes I just spend on a whim without even questioning it

I would not trust myself with a credit card

[somber axle]

even the best gaming studios with devs who have wonderful games that listen to their playerbase well and give people what they generally want still have to adhere to corporate suits who want their slice of pie

someone has to look good on a report to investors

making games is expensive

[river silo]

yeah especially because everyone wants to make a live service (expensive) whilst also not supporting it enough to give people things to spend on

lmao

[woeful galleon]

Takes a bit of discipline to learn for sure, friend of mine spent all his money by mistake the first time he got one, as long as you're careful enough you learn

[river silo]

dt moment

[frank ether]

ya its a big shame gaming became this giga corporate money making machine but some would disagree

[woeful galleon]

Like a car

[frank ether]

I miss like the era of games that took big risks

[woeful galleon]

As long as you don't kill anyone, youself included, you'll learn to handle it

[somber axle]

just don't use a credit card and only use money you've set aside for an entertainment budget

[river silo]

why would you take big risks

[woeful galleon]

What a philosopher I am

[somber axle]

literally never go over that entertainment budget week by week ever

[river silo]

you have to keep doing it unless you're a private company

which you likely aren't

just make enough safe games and hope one sticks hard enough that you can cash cow it

literally

[somber axle]

it's the same rules as Vegas: set a hard budget for how much you want to play and no matter how badly you want to keep chasing the carrot that could be just around the corner stop yourself the instant you've lost the whole budget because if you keep going you'll double or triple your losses before the end of the night

[woeful galleon]

That's really just the best way to live it

[somber axle]

self control is the name of the game

if you're overspending then you're overspending and hurting yourself

[woeful galleon]

You know how much money you can spend on funzies? You do what you want with it, if you regret how you spent it then you can avoid doing that next time

[somber axle]

at least Darktide isn't a loot crate game because I have a rule to never spend any money on those

RNG on top of MTX? eat my entire ass

[woeful galleon]

Oh that'd be hell

Can't imagine I would've stuck around with any of that crap

[velvet edge]

Anyone tried a build that takes both Executioners Stance and Weapons Specialist?

[somber axle]

imagine buying 20 crates to roll for a Krieg outfit and you keep getting "Darktide funny money" that lets you buy in-game crucis nightshade/fire wastes weapon and armour skins but nothing else and you never actually got the Krieg outfit in 20 crates

[junior needle]

You could just stop giving more money to a bad company as well

[woeful galleon]

Fanciest thing you get is a purple pair of pants still stylized like standard jail clothes, but with a purity seal on it

I've lived that live, very briefly in a daaaark moment of my youth, never doing that again

[somber axle]

I saw it in Overwatch and never played that game

SWTOR also has dumb RNG crates to try to roll for gear

I never bought either

if I can't buy exactly the thing I want I'm just not going to buy

[balmy flume]

Ok quick question.
We all know Survivalist still rocks well, but is there a stronger/weaker case now for the other 2 passives post update?
Or is Survivalist still a good “go to” tool?

[woeful galleon]

Absolutely

[woeful galleon]

Feel like surv is still on top, just less so

[somber axle]

Movement speed aura Vet is a meme but it's a meme I personally enjoy for running my melee build and feeling like a Zealot on my Vet

[tiny summit]

Surv is just not as good, it's still free ammo from the warp

[woeful galleon]

I run the others still, but more for the sake of getting other nodes later

[balmy flume]

Thx.
Might just switch nodes to briefly farm for penances in the short term then.

[tiny summit]

The kickback ogryn is still gonna appreciate it

[woeful galleon]

Same, I just enjoy going fast

[somber axle]

Depending on your weapon and your talent set up you may still want surv aura either because it's more talent point efficient to let you get your talent set up how you want or you might need it for weapons with bad ammo econ to try to offset that

but Fire Team and Move Speed auras are both fine imo

well maybe not Fire Team

5% is nothing unless you're literally 5% away from hitting a major breakpoint and instead of looking for that 5% anywhere else you grab aura to forget it forever

but also 5% team wide damage buff for boss fights is probably significant

just in general I don't think it actually has any meaningful effect on games

[thorny current]

i actually got this bad boi with 3 randoms

[junior needle]

Surv massively worse than it was before

Probably less than 20% as effective

Depending on the difficulty

[somber axle]

Nice!

[balmy flume]

Fire Team has a slightly stronger argument in Twins/Assassinations I guess

Since you are guaranteed to meet a boss

[somber axle]

stack Fire Team and Focus Target + Focused Fire for 8 stacks to put a combined total of +37% damage team wide onto the target

yeah definitely something funny to consider

[woeful galleon]

Nice

[drowsy trout]

what are some nice weapons to try, been running las pistol for awhile now and just made a build with quickdraw, I like both but looking for something else to add to my choices

[hearty panther]

I mean even if you're only triggering survivalist every 10s that's 6% of your ammo every minute

[agile forge]

Columnus infantry autogun is hella strong

Also I love the mark 2 helbore

[faint beacon]

Suppose it boils down to what you're really looking to try?

Playstyle wise I should say

[drowsy trout]

just what people recommend really, what people have ran and found fun outside of the 2 weapons I mentioned i had really ^^

[faint beacon]

I'd say its good to have 1 player on your team run it, anymore its not as great

[drowsy trout]

and thanks I'll try that one, and already have a helbore it's nice

[somber axle]

Some funny weapons imo:

Helbore Mk II or Mk III
Agripina Shotgun (for the special ammo slug shot to make it feel like a bolt action rifle)
Any of the Infantry Autoguns
Vraks 3 or Vraks 7 depending on if you liked the Halo 2 Battle Rifle or not
Boltgun (still fun but post-surv aura nerf more ammo hungry)
Revolver (will also fit really well with your Quickdraw playstyle)

[drowsy trout]

sweet thank you, i'll play around and see what i enjoy among those, main problem will be money to buy good rolls :D

[faint beacon]

I can toss some recommendations, Headhunters and Hellbores are pretty great for a more sharpshooter role, Columnus MkV is extremely strong if you're trying to make an aggressive veteran, The shotguns are pretty funny but all fill certain niches, Plasma and Boltgun are mainly Anti-Heavy units but chew through ammo

[serene bough]

in general it's still valuable to have if other vets are not running it

[drowsy trout]

Imma try the autogun cause I havent really played with an automatic since recon was busted in the start of the game with the infinite burn stacks xP

[topaz lance]

Agri shotty with exe stance is fun

[drowsy trout]

with auto I mean the MKV

[somber axle]

Mk III Helbore and Agripina Shotgun are the only two guns that feel like sniper rifles in this game tbh

Exe Stance makes them very funny

I was using my Mk III Helbore to 1HKO Crusher trains one by one last night

[faint beacon]

Columnus with DumDum is just destroy anything that even remotely gets close to you

[somber axle]

Delicious

[drowsy trout]

appriciate all the tips! ^^

[topaz lance]

Well the HH iags are not too bad. Then there's the revolver which is a pocket sniper.

[faint beacon]

Im more of an Agri Mk1 Fan cause I prefer slower rate of fire weapons

[somber axle]

They're ok but feel more like DMRs than Sniper Rifles tbh

[faint beacon]

Easier Recoil Control

[topaz lance]

Probably one of the strongest weapons in the game with the buff to marksman focus too

[faint beacon]

Its funny because it used to be even stronger!

then they nerfed it and its still fucking strong lmao

Flashbacks of everyone running revolver knife builds lmao

[topaz lance]

Cannot as easily one shot crushers anymore though. Not that that's much of a big deal.

[somber axle]

I have one more recommendation that has to come with a warning

[topaz lance]

I hope one of the double shotty variants will shoot slugs as the primary function.

[drowsy trout]

arite hit me

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VId if you're insane like me

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1229154086952112158/sneakyclownreconft.gif?ex=662ea5f2&is=661c30f2&hm=f085c8fb883f3ade7dffd3bb956f4df463f93522c777799442c823dd9b50cb49&

[faint beacon]

Honestly I will not understand how thats an issue if it takes 2 bullets in a 5 round cylinder to drop one of the scariest Elites in the game lmao

[somber axle]

do not do this actually but if you're insane then do this actually

[faint beacon]

If you want to suffer take it in to consideration

[somber axle]

yes this build is suffering

you must suffer if you want to do this

[drowsy trout]

I do have one of them, not sure about the rolls but yeh

[faint beacon]

It

could be better

that's all I can say

[drowsy trout]

lol

[somber axle]

it's ok but when you get a higher rank of Headhunter it'll be much better

you also want to get Infernus IV but I think Infernus III will still be ok

ammo stat is also a higher priority weirdly enough

[drowsy trout]

Yeh I've been unlucky with finding some D:

[somber axle]

it's passable and will still be ok for doing the funny thing I do but I still have to warn you not to do the funny thing I do

[faint beacon]

Honestly here's a tip regarding the abhorrent rolling system, buy a bunch of trash weapons and upgrade them for the sole purpose of collecting high teir blessings

That's what I did and it helps

[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1229149076004798524/image.png?ex=662ea148&is=661c2c48&hm=b67f830e63d912f844170f4657b899b1aec5e0754894fb5021d58664a61be32d&

[drowsy trout]

kind of doing it atm with the MkV

[topaz lance]

So, I've been playing a build with the fast las pistol, Onslaught, Marksman focus. It's almost good. Almost.

[somber axle]

this is the build I use for the Recon Mk VId but again don't do this unless you want to suffer

[junior needle]

The recons are very numerically undertuned and even a particularly juiced setup is inferior to what other guns get on a normal build

[somber axle]

you have to have three stam curios with +3 stam on each

[faint beacon]

I dont remember what the typical Colum MkV set up is

I know its DumDum + something

Fire Frenzy?

[somber axle]

this is really only if you're bored of other guns or really love a gun that vomits lasers

[drowsy trout]

I mean I will have to say it's funny just blasting with the recon cause of the rate of fire

[somber axle]

I run it constantly in Damnation including high intensity shock trooper gauntlet and I'm fine

this is not a build most people will find to be fine

[junior needle]

Dumdum and whatever else you want, typically DS or stripped

[somber axle]

you will be extra squishy

[junior needle]

Dumdum>flak/maniac perks>second blessing

[faint beacon]

Figured

[agile forge]

You have a few options

[faint beacon]

usually Second blessing your choice

[agile forge]

Fire Frenzy, raking Fire, stripped down are all contenders