veteran-class

[thorn plinth]

thats why i recommend to just make it as easy as possible for yourself, on malice and low intensity
(no shock troop gauntlet tho)

[torn root]

i think more ppl have to get use to kiting and blocking

or running I do be running away a lot XD

[inland orchid]

No health damage taken whole mission

Overwatch is its name

[thorn plinth]

for actively chasing this penance, just stay out of melee combat, run past everything that wants to hit you, using shout,
let the others deal with it xD
if its on malice anyway they should be able to easily

[rare pumice]

I’m kind of new to the game and the Lora (slowly learning it and love it so far), that being said what is “shout”?

[torn root]

you could probably try to grind low intensity missions for it too

[torn root]

Voice of Command

[thorn plinth]

shout is your middle veteran ability. "voice of command"
staggers everything around you

[torn root]

for the penance there are a few recommendations i think that are worth taking off of skill tree

[rare pumice]

Got it, I guess I have to retweet my skills tree then. If anyone has a good reference as to a skill tree loadout for a veteran running bolt gun please let me know.

[thorn plinth]

one upgrades gives more toughness to you and friends,
the other lowers your radius but lets you revive people
the revive sounds extremely good, and it can be clutch,, but often usign a normal shout and manually reviving is just as safe

[inland orchid]

Ya normal shout is pretty nasty and that’s coming from a lad who prefers revive shout

[torn root]

Exhilarating Takedown, Close Order Drill, Confirmed Kill, Out for Blood, Iron Will and On Your Toes --- They all either give Toughness Damage Reduction or some extra Toughness

idk i think Vet has a ton of ways to deal with it

[thorn plinth]

i used to run both, gives downed teammates the toughness buff when they get back up,,, but we dont have a lot of talent points XD
needed them elsewere

[torn root]

#veteran-class message

this was a post with one earlier

[inland orchid]

Valid I like my nades so I can where yeeting off a shout augment or 2 could help make em funnier

[severe crypt]

not gonna lie the helbore kinda sucks dog shit it needs a rework

[thorn plinth]

i love taking all grenade perks XD

[torn root]

oh no lil homie

can't be typing that here

[thorn plinth]

naah, the hellbore is really good

[forest scaffold]

The only downside to veteran toughness regen is barrier to entry

he doesn't get anything "for free" as it were

ogryn gets 25% for hitting something

psyker gets 7.5% for killing something with the warp, or doing anything with peril really

zealot gets 15% for dodging

veteran is the only one who is gated by barrier to entry

which is feelsbadman

[strange sparrow]

Finally he said something I had been saying all these time

[torn root]

you literally get 50% for existing

[strange sparrow]

Everything for veteran is condition except VoC

[torn root]

and you just noted a bunch of other ways with conditions

[forest scaffold]

VoC would be conditional if fatshark removed situational awareness and bumped the cooldown to 45 seconds again

why the fuck they buffed VoC I have no idea

[torn root]

+15% toughness and 10% TDR for weakspot kills

[severe crypt]

that one is still conditioning tbh

[strange sparrow]

Their condition are significantly easier to fulfil compared to Veteran

[torn root]

+50% TDR at 75% or higher

which btw

is fucking nuts

[forest scaffold]

or

ogryn

with 66%

at all toughness

[strange sparrow]

I mean VoC is really spammable rn

[forest scaffold]

voc is blatantly OP

[torn root]

dodging and needing a specific thing to kill isnt free

[forest scaffold]

so is situational awareness

but all of the CDR talents are blatantly OP

[torn root]

not as free as just needing to be above 75%

[forest scaffold]

so just toss SA onto the pile

[torn root]

you don't see how the take is scewed?

[strange sparrow]

Not really, considering half of its condition is take a gun and shoot

While Psyker can spam special to get toughness back with a sword

[forest scaffold]

or purg staff

or trauma staff

or electric staff

or voidstrike

[strange sparrow]

The condition to met them are significantly easier

I could shoot into a wall to get toughness back

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, we're not arguing veteran is bad. Well, I'm not.

Just that his barrier to entry for toughness regeneration is higher than everyone else.

Basically that's just veteran in a nutshell really.

[torn root]

i didnt know that mass cleaving hordes into oblivion was hard with out for blood either

[forest scaffold]

His whole tree is very high barrier to entry.

But if you can meet it, veteran's fucking stupid.

And I hate it.

I hate everything about it.

[strange sparrow]

No one took out for blood because -20% sprint cost but I mean it exist ig

[forest scaffold]

Skill floor too high, rewards too high.

[torn root]

not the point

but k

[rare pumice]

Thanks man

[forest scaffold]

out for blood is kinda funny with frag grenades

[torn root]

not wanting to take shit has nothing to do with ease of use

[forest scaffold]

as it acts like trauma staff on psyker

you immediately get 3.5x10

or whatever

on poxwalkers/groaners

[strange sparrow]

Also it does require to kill something with Psyker also have but better

7.5% for warp kill or something

[torn root]

3.5% for any kill..

[forest scaffold]

warp kill is any kill on psyker

like

are you reading what you're writing

[torn root]

^

[forest scaffold]

the only time its not is on gunker

[torn root]

says the guy that the others had no requirement

[strange sparrow]

Yeah… I’m a space magician also there’s Crit Toughness regeneration

[forest scaffold]

who gets 5% per crit

[strange sparrow]

For gunker…

[torn root]

then proceeds to like the requirements

lmao

.>

[forest scaffold]

out for blood is hamstrung by costs

and frankly the amount you get

[frank ether]

you're just fucking up the bad abilities even more

[forest scaffold]

Its painful to get point checked by -20% sprint cost

[torn root]

its called a trade off

[frank ether]

do you realize other blitz also take tactical awareness

[torn root]

which is a foreing concept for players

[forest scaffold]

VoC is arguably one of the best combat abilities in the game what the fuck

[strange sparrow]

You get either Crit Toughness Regen, Warp Kill Regen, Get Quell/Reduce Quell

Which is funny

[torn root]

because you rahter just have the game be broken and monotonous

[strange sparrow]

Anything you do get toughness

[forest scaffold]

VoC needs to be nerfed

[strange sparrow]

compared to hitting heads, hitting special

which require you to aim/find special to kill

[torn root]

A lot more things need nerfs as well

[forest scaffold]

While quantity isn't the sole decider for if something is OP

its a good marker though.

[frank ether]

do you have any other argument besides ''X thing popular X thing good nerf X thing''

[forest scaffold]

And nearly every veteran uses VoC

[strange sparrow]

Me trying to tell people Veteran Toughness Regeneration Option are conditional and significantly harder than other class

[forest scaffold]

No, it allows me to do stupid shit like this

https://streamable.com/v8hr7o

[torn root]

mostly because center of the tree is easy access for a lot of other good talents

[forest scaffold]

And this isn't okay

I can absolutely fuck up my positioning beyond all reason with VoC

[dry knoll]

Thats not just that VOC is great, but that the other two options arn't as required/good. Especially stealth in a co-op game

[forest scaffold]

and not get punished at all for it

its really fucking dumb how the overtoughness works

[torn root]

if you swapped VoC with Infiltrate i guarentee you would see more infiltrate cause right side of the tree is dogshit

[forest scaffold]

I use the right side tree all the time

+25% damage?

[torn root]

its not just cause VoC is good

[forest scaffold]

+5% crit chance?

+10% melee damage?

[idle dirge]

Infiltrate is pretty damn good

[forest scaffold]

Shits fucking stacked what are you on

[torn root]

+5% crit is ass

literally

[torn root]

none of you guys actually do math

[frank ether]

Press F on zealot

swing your fucking sword

congratz

[strange sparrow]

We got +300 Toughness over

[frank ether]

you've done it on zealot

[torn root]

to argue that 5% damage wouldnt be more beneficial than 5% crit

[forest scaffold]

different argument.

[strange sparrow]

That's how funny it is

[torn root]

like actually

[idle dirge]

I go by feels, not math

[autumn bramble]

what exactly is toughness damage reduction? like each point of toughness is worth more?

[frank ether]

what argument you press F on zealot, gain %50 toughness, gapclose, stun everything in your face, crit your enemy

[forest scaffold]

damage reduction

if you have 50% DR

[frank ether]

and its basically a spammable

[forest scaffold]

damage that hits your toughness does 50% less damage

so if you get hit with a 100 damage attack

[frank ether]

zealot gapcloser is MORE spammable than VoC

[forest scaffold]

its now 50 damage

[strange sparrow]

The whole thing with zealot is to survive thou

[frank ether]

no shit what do you think vets use voc for

to survive

[forest scaffold]

that's because all CDR talents are blatantly op and need to be removed

that just shouldn't be something we can access

its a problem on all 4 classes

[frank ether]

how dare abilities scale with difficulty lmao

[torn root]

difference is now we have ppl defending 5% crit is a reason why right side of the tree isnt ass

5% crit is literal dog shit

[autumn bramble]

ah gotcha

[dry knoll]

Considering that different weapons react differently to crit it makes the maths unnecessarily complex. That said, flat 5% damage is just going to be better with other talents

[forest scaffold]

But actually

[autumn bramble]

thanks

[forest scaffold]

It shouldn't to a degree.

[frank ether]

the constant nerf voc cries are actually annoying me

[stuck gorge]

also what even is the base crit chance?

[frank ether]

veteran has one strong blitz

and you want it nerfed into ground

[forest scaffold]

5% for everyone

[frank ether]

because god forbid

veteran has something good

[torn root]

NO

[forest scaffold]

blitz is grenades

[torn root]

ITS NOT 5% FOR EVERYONE

[strange sparrow]

Each character have different crit chance, Psyker have 7.5% while Vets and Zealot have 5% (?)

[torn root]

see

nah now we just typing to type

lmao

[forest scaffold]

all classes have 5% base crit chance

and then its modified by weapon

[torn root]

NO THEY DONT

[idle dirge]

kgkhlgjfkfkh

[stuck gorge]

i assume ogryn is also a 5% then?

[torn root]

you do not know what you are talking about lmao

[strange sparrow]

Ogryn have the lowest I believe at 2.5%

[torn root]

like actually

[forest scaffold]

veteran had his 7.5% taken away, and so did ogryn's -3%

its on the weapons now.

Stubbers have -4.5%

making ogryn have 0.5% crit chance with stubbers

as just one example

[torn root]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/classes for anyone who actually cares about the base stats like crit

[strange sparrow]

Im not gonna argue this because I haven't seen an actual reputable datamine in general

and all my statement are based on other's people information at some point

[torn root]

it's been tested for so long

ppl use to think everyone HAD base 5%

[forest scaffold]

well, if this is true, my mistake then.

[torn root]

yeah

big ass mistake

moving on

I really DO NOT like misinformation

[strange sparrow]

Veteran Conditional Toughness Regeneration are pretty bad

Still

All of the other class eat better

[forest scaffold]

I wouldn't say bad.

Just feelsbadman

they're still good

just feelsbadman compared to everyone else

the headshot one is the most annoying due to recoil being a stat you can roll on for half the guns

so you can't muscle memory recoil control

[stuck gorge]

psyker with 1 base stamina bar

[forest scaffold]

not as effectively as static recoil patterns anyway

[strange sparrow]

Headshot one is dumb, simply because the condition was use a range weapon

[idle dirge]

imo vet feels fine in terms of toughness and stuff. Some things could be tweaked but it’s not as big of a deal as most say

[forest scaffold]

I mean

it'd be pretty fucking OP if it applied to melee

[torn root]

it is just fine

ppl like to complain

[forest scaffold]

power sword go brrrrrrrr

[torn root]

i moved over from zealot

[forest scaffold]

get 10% x 4 back with combat axes

[torn root]

vet is brain dead when it comes to survivability

[forest scaffold]

so a free 40% toughness no matter what

[torn root]

ignoring VoC

it has mad options for toughness interaction

[strange sparrow]

I mean Zealot Survivability are way stronger if you learn the weapon's moveset

[idle dirge]

I never really played zealot but iirc doesn’t vet have second highest toughness and hp next to ogryn

[strange sparrow]

which is surprising easier after Heavy Evis got buffed

and you need toughness when fighting in melee fight

[frank ether]

lol no

[vivid bolt]

I believe zealot is capable of the 2nd highest

[forest scaffold]

that's what out for blood is for

[vivid bolt]

Order for it is uhhh

[forest scaffold]

Ogryn, Zealot, Veteran, psyker for HP

[strange sparrow]

But the problem was getting into Out-For-Blood lose out so much for you

[vivid bolt]

Ogryn > Zealot > Vet > Psyker i think

[forest scaffold]

Ogryn, Veteran, Zealot, Psyker for toughness

[torn root]

Vet has the highest base toughness

and you can stack on top of it

[vivid bolt]

uhhh

[torn root]

No

[vivid bolt]

whats the max for vet?

[torn root]

LMAO

[idle dirge]

Right, right

[strange sparrow]

And Veteran Class have a really fucked up Tree that require a lot of investment

[frank ether]

if you're running deadshot your vet will be more or less as squishy as psyker if not more

[torn root]

VET STARTS AT 100 TOUGHNESS

like what?!

THEN zEALOT AT 70

Psyker at 60

[idle dirge]

Ogryn has lots of nodes for toughness that might bring it above vet but I do think vet has higher base, I don’t remember

[torn root]

Ogryn at 50

[forest scaffold]

Did. . . you read what I wrote?

[frank ether]

psyker builds dont have to build stamina curio so they can just stack 2 toughness 1 hp

[forest scaffold]

That said, ogryn can get 230 toughness

[vivid bolt]

Base its higher yea

[frank ether]

on vet you tend to throw 1 or 2 stam curio for deadshot

[forest scaffold]

give or take

with 330 HP

[frank ether]

some do 3

but thats madness

[vivid bolt]

I think typical builds will get zealot at a very close point to vet

[forest scaffold]

and >90% damage reduction depending on selected talents otherwise

[strange sparrow]

Some people are into that

[idle dirge]

I put 3 health curios on my ogryn

[forest scaffold]

2x toughness 1x stamina is my goal for veteran

[strange sparrow]

Zealot get into an insane Toughness Damage Reduction

[forest scaffold]

for now I'm just running 2x toughness 1x hp

[frank ether]

zealot is pretty unkillable with certain builds

[terse idol]

Wait wait

[strange sparrow]

especially when you build crits

[frank ether]

effective hp is higher due to certain talents

[terse idol]

I thought ogryn had toughness DR nodes

[torn root]

Did you read what the reply was to?

[frank ether]

since you can literally regen hp

and deny death

[terse idol]

Unless you're going out of your way to like

Take every single +Toughnes

[vivid bolt]

am zealot main so yes

[frank ether]

I've had a lot of games on zealot where I just kept going on like no hp forever

[terse idol]

You'll still have the most toughness with vet

[strange sparrow]

The only way Zealot could die is probably CD invulnerablity + overhead

[idle dirge]

It has two +25 toughness near the top

[torn root]

this

[vivid bolt]

vet has max uhhhh, +65 toughness from the tree

but its unlikely to get that

[terse idol]

Assuming you take every +toughness and toughness talent nodes

[frank ether]

taking both +25 is an odd build

[sonic marlin]

hey, came here to ask for a meta build or whatever builds are good, i'm guessing they mostly synergize with the weapon too?

[forest scaffold]

I take both 25 on veteran and ogryn

[torn root]

not the point we're making tho

[strange sparrow]

Yeah, Veteran's Tree Building are primary revolves around Damage Damage Damage

[vivid bolt]

ogryn its easy to do so

[strange sparrow]

I haven't seen Veteran Tank Build yet

[frank ether]

you can go for that but realistically you're a melee build at that point

[forest scaffold]

its easy to do on veteran too

you just don't get +30% weakspot damage or +25% ammo

[torn root]

and even then you dont need keystones so you could still get away with it

[vivid bolt]

I mean, the +25's are in here

[strange sparrow]

Can't believe you aren't getting the damage

[idle dirge]

I’d rather die before not taking +30% weakspot damage lol

[strange sparrow]

in scoreboard farming simulator

[forest scaffold]

yeah, and I exclusively run swap swap on veteran

[terse idol]

Plasma, all toughness curios, born leader, glory hunter

Very possible

[strange sparrow]

Im already disappointed that you took born leader

[vivid bolt]

with a 9 point investment to get both for both 25's

[terse idol]

[forest scaffold]

you don't even need that

[strange sparrow]

it's okay

[forest scaffold]

you just need elites

[frank ether]

again you're just a different zealot at that point

[forest scaffold]

and confirmed kill

[terse idol]

If youre going TANK

[forest scaffold]

and exhi takedown for dr

[terse idol]

You're taking born leader

[frank ether]

except you dont spam crits like a zealot does

[forest scaffold]

you're invulnerable if you're not getting meleed

[terse idol]

Because of glory hunter

[frank ether]

but maybe have a bit more ranged power

[strange sparrow]

3 toughness at a time gaming ✊

[vivid bolt]

this has to be one of the most braindead convos

[terse idol]

Well

[vivid bolt]

cause every class can get into the 150-250 toughness range

[strange sparrow]

We be balling out of Hadron with 3 Toughness

[idle dirge]

I kinda forget what the current topic is

[terse idol]

Assuming you take every +10 coherence toughness share

[torn root]

yup

its brain dead

[terse idol]

Which is like 2

[vivid bolt]

250 is just a fuckin even number i used so seethe abt it not being actually acheivable

[forest scaffold]

since the fire changes, this is the correct way

[terse idol]

Glory hunter can do soomething

[vivid bolt]

im not doing the math rn for it

[forest scaffold]

HP is kinda pointless except for bursters

and with VoC being what it is

even that's not really useful

[torn root]

200+ toughness is unnnecessary as fuck too ngl

[terse idol]

Wasn't that like vet just can get the most toughness

[torn root]

when you could be at max toughness easy

[vivid bolt]

200 toughness is life saving on most things

[forest scaffold]

mroe toughness, less chip damage

[idle dirge]

Oh yea

[forest scaffold]

more toughness is always better

[vivid bolt]

It makes you able to take 2-3 hits before significant damage is done

[strange sparrow]

VoC > Burster anyways

[torn root]

staying at max toughness mroe often = no damage

[terse idol]

Or ogrn but ogryn has more toughness damage reduction

[strange sparrow]

no ChipDamage

[torn root]

i dont get the point of that response

[terse idol]

In the tree

[torn root]

lmao

[vivid bolt]

or tank entire sniper shots on ogryn

[torn root]

take no chip instead of less chip

[forest scaffold]

its outright impossible to stay at max toughness without outright cheating

no one is doing 0 damage runs on damnation+

[idle dirge]

Can’t take health damage in the psykanium

[torn root]

ARE YOU JOKING?!

[terse idol]

Well, assuming you take sniper dr

[swift ingot]

Feel no pain is absolutely goated

[strange sparrow]

Nah Disabled

[dusty sluice]

suggestions?

[forest scaffold]

so chip damage is always relevant

[strange sparrow]

VoC override PoxBurster Damage

it will always left you with 1 toughness

[forest scaffold]

and snipers

and crushers

[strange sparrow]

Yes Yes Yes

a lot of stuff that VoC override

[forest scaffold]

and bulwarks, maulers

[strange sparrow]

Overhead is not a threat if you just VoC

[idle dirge]

Are you talking about the invincibility thing? Thought that only applied to toughness

[forest scaffold]

the overtoughness does giga DR for chip damage from ragers

[vivid bolt]

im unsure of the exact setup for it on ogryn so

[torn root]

literally got overwatch 3 days ago in auric lmao

[strange sparrow]

Nope, I died in Psykarium a lot, update the new mod i guess

[idle dirge]

Pretty sure poxbursters would leave you with corruption even if they didn’t do direct health damage, normally

[torn root]

completely possible to take no damage in even auric and be at max toughness all game

[strange sparrow]

As long you have Yellow Touhgness

[torn root]

bugging tf out

[strange sparrow]

Nothing hurt over it

[fossil basalt]

Saying VoC will always negate _ in any real combat scenario is probably untrue anyways

[sleek minnow]

What 2 perks should I get on plasma ?

[terse idol]

Well, iirc you can get like 70% toughness Dr from what I heard

[forest scaffold]

no that's the thing

[torn root]

yellow toughness even stop crushers from bleeding through

[forest scaffold]

in practical application

[strange sparrow]

Flak

[forest scaffold]

VoC does just outright prevent all of that from happening

its stupid and shouldn't function that way

[sleek minnow]

Should I do flak and unyielding ?

[dusty sluice]

this isn't bricked right?

[forest scaffold]

knockback plus more toughness is fine

[strange sparrow]

I watch as my discord get pinged 2000% times

[forest scaffold]

completely preventing damage is not

[frank ether]

why did you nearly die on your video then

[strange sparrow]

No No No, ask someone else, flak doesn't do anything on Plasma

[visual remnant]

yarp

get a helbore mk 3

[terse idol]

Wait, do you have the toughness damage reduction at high toughness? @strange sparrow

[visual remnant]

[dusty sluice]

smh

[terse idol]

When you did that test

[sleek minnow]

Hey smudgels what perks should I get on my plasma?

[strange sparrow]

You could do it with no curios, just VoC

[forest scaffold]

falter to no respite. Carapace to flak.

[strange sparrow]

Don't even need IronWill

[forest scaffold]

mk1 has a fast enough fire rate that surgical doesn't make sense.

[sonic marlin]

anyone willing to help me

[strange sparrow]

Yellow Toughness have different coding with it

[frank ether]

please dont do helbore without surgical

actual troll advice

[forest scaffold]

Maniac, Elite, Flak, unarmored, carapace, unyielding all give you breakpoints

[frank ether]

or we dont care about crits on helbore now ok

sure

[forest scaffold]

Maniac+ one of the others

[dusty sluice]

its nice to have tbh

[forest scaffold]

is your go to

[frank ether]

you know what I'm not even gonna like

argue

I'm just gonna take a nap

[forest scaffold]

I do on the mk3

just not the 1

it pew pews

lean into that

[frank ether]

mk2 is the fast one

[forest scaffold]

its osbs make it ammo efficient anyway

so uh

is the mk1?

[strange sparrow]

Yellow Toughness just straight up neglect anything that would normally fuck your toughness and chip into HP

[forest scaffold]

Have you used it with onslaught?

[frank ether]

mk1 is the middleground

[strange sparrow]

For Example, Overhead Crusher

[terse idol]

unarmoured+, and Carapace if you're not running Longshot, with +30% weakpoint damage, + Elite damage in talent tree

If you do run long shot, +10% elites, and carapace with +30% weakpoint damage, and +15 elite damage in that talent tree

[forest scaffold]

Its definitely fast enough that surgical slows down your DPS

[frank ether]

yes, its still better to have surgical

[forest scaffold]

on a gun that doesn't need infinite ammo

[strange sparrow]

So really, you would have skill issue if you can't win with VoC

[forest scaffold]

you're already ammo positive with survivalist

[frank ether]

you still get a benefit for staying in ads

[vivid bolt]

whats the question

[strange sparrow]

as VoC allow you to regen those +50 toughness

[idle dirge]

You should ask in #gameplay-help, you’ll probably have better luck there

[frank ether]

%10-20 even if you shoot fast

[forest scaffold]

you're missing osbps on maniacs with that stopping power

[strange sparrow]

I tested it, and I could effectively keep VoC up 44% of the time without killing special or getting psyker CD stuff

[vivid bolt]

me when people dont understand how toughness works so they are saying wacky shit

[terse idol]

Low SP sucks, but you should get rid of critical strike chance for +unarmoured imo

Or if you run long shot, then get +10 elites

[torn root]

yup

fr

[terse idol]

test your breakpoint on Dredge gunner BP

[sonic marlin]

I'm looking for meta/good builds people use, and some weapon recommendations, so far I've been enjoying autoguns

[vivid bolt]

fuckin uh

[strange sparrow]

as VoC is 10 Seconds and Based VoC CD is 30 seconds, I take Ability Regeneration so it's alright

[vivid bolt]

could do a Rashad/IAG build

[terse idol]

I think everyone takes ability regen

[sleek minnow]

Why unarmored over like the other perks like flak or cara?

[vivid bolt]

VoC

[strange sparrow]

I doubt any other stuff matter because how strong is yellow toughness

[sonic marlin]

been playing for a week or less, idk what that means

[vivid bolt]

yea 1 sec im making a build pic for youj

[torn root]

This is the only reason i can call VoC broken, but then so is Chorus on Zealot

Bonus Toughness is crazy

[terse idol]

+unarmoured so you can meet the dredge gunner BP
If you don't run Longshot

Its because you want to be able to kill dredge gunners with a uncharged shot by shooting them in the head

[strange sparrow]

Zealot Chorus have problem because it's not regenerable

I don't really fuck with Chorus that much anymore

[terse idol]

There are gonna be alot more dredge gunners than crushers in any given mission so I value +unarmoured and I firmly believe that you should meet this Breakpoint without Longshot, but its not bad if you run longshot

It just means you need to meat that minimum distance (which isn't difficult)

[vivid bolt]

fuckin love forgetting my vet build

[torn root]

it got nuked imo

[terse idol]

If you take +elites you can also get abit more damage on other enemies too which is why it's pretty good too

[strange sparrow]

Based CD also pretty bad with Chorus at 60 Seconds

[torn root]

i know ppl tell me to stop whining about chorus but im not gunna

[terse idol]

Not that I think it'll change BP's but I haven't done tests on that

[strange sparrow]

So I only use Chorus when I want to play as a support Zealot

[sonic marlin]

[forest scaffold]

since fatshark changed it to every other pulse stuns bosses, it broke the stun function on everything

which is infuriating

half the enemies ignore the stun/suppression mechanic now

because people were pushing bosses off of ledges

[untold hornet]

Blame Josh

[torn root]

you can still get bosses to fall off of ledges no?

[terse idol]

Also, imo I wouldn't take flak, plasma has like (AP like characteristics)
There's not much Flak that you won't be able to one shot already

[frank ether]

its good to have but often times unrealistic to reach without voc

[terse idol]

And you're gonna be choosing to headshot maulers

Which mauler heads are carapace

[torn root]

no ive seen vets with 200 tougness

im at 175 with 1 curio

[sleek minnow]

I appreciate it

[torn root]

so its definatley not hard

[frank ether]

I didn't say impossible?

[terse idol]

Which is why carapace>flak

[strange sparrow]

People build Meta like this with IAG/Shredder grenade, I don't do so because I like Krak more

[frank ether]

pointless to sacrifice everything for toughness

[vivid bolt]

1 moment am checkin in game

[torn root]

never said you did

eeh

most vets dont run deadshot

and a lot of ppl like toughness

[frank ether]

mfs be sitting on zero stamina, zero hp, no stamina/block efficiency, no deadshot

[sonic marlin]

how about weapons, idk what should i use

[strange sparrow]

Are you levelling up or 30?

[torn root]

you will see a chunk of people running around with 15% toughness curios

[terse idol]

Grenade regen over tinkerer for shredder?

That's wiild

[idle dirge]

In my honest opinion, use whatever you enjoy most.

Doesn’t matter what’s best, use whatever’s the most fun / comfortable to kill with

[torn root]

a lot of people value different things

[sonic marlin]

well i will eventually, im just lvl 18

[torn root]

you also have people telling them to focus weird shit

[sleek minnow]

What does this need ?

[strange sparrow]

I mean it's a meta build so people just spam toss grenade in a pinch

having more grenade imo is better

[torn root]

YT personalities also like to tell players to focus 12% CDR for VoC

i will always say no to that

[frank ether]

I'm also not dropping precision or %25 ammo for the second 25 node either

[torn root]

3.6 seconds off of VoC isn;t that good

[frank ether]

some builds I can grab both

but usually not

[stuck gorge]

a whole like 4 seconds off when you already have a talent to reduce reduction by 6 seconds per kill?

[strange sparrow]

You could try Rashad Axe, Devil Claw 4 and Columnus Mark 5 (IAG)

[torn root]

exactly

[terse idol]

Folks build this without a keystone? That's crazy

[frank ether]

worth the trade off to make veteran feel like veteran and not just different zealot

[torn root]

the 12% doesnt even really change the amount of kills you need for the reset

[strange sparrow]

it's IAG build, You don't need focus target

Because Onslaught just so good

[inland orchid]

Try urself out a iG lazgun, is pretty fast and with a ok stability stat can do numbers

[torn root]

OY?!

[terse idol]

I just have like Exe stance, focus target for my iag build

[stuck gorge]

how often is that 4 seconds going to save your entire run lol

[torn root]

actually its not wrong, sometimes focus target feels like over kill

[terse idol]

Cause funny

[strange sparrow]

Nope, I will not give a fuck to whatever people say about Focus Target

[untold hornet]

This is my Rashad/IAG build @vivid bolt but then again , I know nothing of Veteran and just play like my Zealot

[strange sparrow]

Nice TTK but it's ew to remember to ping

[torn root]

nah i was agreeing with you

[frank ether]

Idk there is no build iag wouldn't synergize with

[torn root]

chill lmao

[terse idol]

I think focus target for an IAG aint bad

[frank ether]

you can use whatever keystone with iag

[torn root]

i use focus target not for the damage

[vivid bolt]

@sonic marlin this is the melee vet build that I run currently

[strange sparrow]

He didn't take Onslaught

Was there something Im missing from this Talent Tree

[torn root]

NO ONSLAUGHT

FOR COLUMNUS?!

im gunna barf

[terse idol]

What's your rashad looking like?
I'm taking Fire team because I'm missing a tiiiinny bit of damage to get a crusher 4 shot

[strange sparrow]

Also, Go right side and pick up Onslaught over other stuff because Onslaught allow you to kill Crusher with Columnus

[frank ether]

roll over when crusher pack show up lol

[torn root]

^

[strange sparrow]

Something like this

[frank ether]

it could probably still do it with %10

but gonna take a lot of ammo

[vivid bolt]

Crushers dont threaten me so

[torn root]

Onslaught + rending strikes is crazy

[vivid bolt]

1. Its a claw.
2. Krak.
3. Crushers are fucking easy.

[torn root]

do you just let others deal with them?

[terse idol]

Gonna remember dis for my iag

[torn root]

kraks are limited

[strange sparrow]

Yea Krak moment

[frank ether]

2 kraks for the whole 6 of em

[sonic marlin]

melee as in you barely use your rifle?

[torn root]

what happens when 5 crushers run at you?

[strange sparrow]

I do be fuckin with this build

[terse idol]

Weapon spec columnus?

[vivid bolt]

prolly a like

75% melee, 25% gun typa thing

[strange sparrow]

I would take Krak too but Shredder is more popular these days

[untold hornet]

Le Rashad

[vivid bolt]

ive got melee heavy habits cuz zealot main

[strange sparrow]

So in general, point people toward Shredder until they have problem with Bulwark/Crusher

[terse idol]

You're already shredding crushers

[sonic marlin]

isn't zealot the melee class?

[terse idol]

[strange sparrow]

I mean yea but Crusher + Bulwark Stack are pretty annoying

[sonic marlin]

[vivid bolt]

zealot is strong at melee yea but every class should be primarily doing melee outside a staff psyker

[terse idol]

I gotta climb back on the rashad grind

[strange sparrow]

I want to deletus them as soon as possible

[torn root]

nah take kraks, i still believe you should only really take them IF you cant deal with crushers and IF you dont wanna put in extra effort for Bulwarks --- I think that's fair to say

[terse idol]

Gonna say it

[wooden lotus]

i don't take onslaught when i rock columnus either

[vivid bolt]

Melee is your love in this game

[terse idol]

But a krak might take out 2 of them

Yes it is

[wooden lotus]

i just use a power sword or a 12chaxe

[terse idol]

Buuuuuuut

I dunno

Theyre both valid

[strange sparrow]

I wouldn't recommend any new/leveling player taking on Psword

because how grindy it is

[terse idol]

You can try

[thorn plinth]

i am loving the hellbore mk2 stab, and overall speed, but i am missing the consistent damage from mk3 xD
not yet changed blessing perks,, need more materials to get the blessings

[terse idol]

Oh my god, my BM isn't 15%

[strange sparrow]

Everyone have their way to deal with Crusher/Bulwark nowadays

Just try anything and tweak accordingly

[torn root]

PSword actually has a divergent blessing issue imo

[terse idol]

That's literally my fire team aura crusher BP difference

[wooden lotus]

onslaught seems like a waste of points to deal with specifically crushers

[terse idol]

Pain

Pain

[torn root]

the 1-2 blessings on PSword completely changes how the weapon plays imo

[wooden lotus]

at least knowing vet with melee can just blitz crushers with like 5 weapons

[strange sparrow]

I mean yeah, But I like to shoot crusher in the face

[terse idol]

Its for columnus deletus

[strange sparrow]

instead of getting into his melee range

[wooden lotus]

i understand that

[frank ether]

I'd like to see how you d.claw a pack of crushers tbh

[thorn plinth]

btw, does all the melee nodes in talent tree, work on hellbore stabs?

[frank ether]

sounds like a fun time

[strange sparrow]

Yes also Agile Engagement

[vivid bolt]

It is quite do-able

[wooden lotus]

but running 2 points for columnus deletus on a rare enemy when i can just power-sword block-combo them is wasteful

[terse idol]

Me as I dodge and force every overhead for a minute straight

😌

[vivid bolt]

ive seen vids of people parrying a rager + crusher pack consistently

[torn root]

idk

[thorn plinth]

currently running that, was curious for the other stuff.

[vivid bolt]

its fucking such a dopamine release

[wooden lotus]

i comprehend you can do that

[terse idol]

Its just not ideal

[torn root]

sometimes just shooting the guy is safe especially in stacks tho

[wooden lotus]

yeah that's a fair argument

[strange sparrow]

Thing about Veteran is, it depend on people’s playstyle

[stuck gorge]

oh yea does field improvisation talent affect your teammates or only yourself?

[wooden lotus]

every crate/pack you or anyone puts down, ever

[terse idol]

Effects all

So your teammates too

[thorn plinth]

@strange sparrow was thinking about all the others, if its worth going more heavily into the melee perks as i end up stabbing more than shooting

[wooden lotus]

even while you're dead actually

it's funny

[terse idol]

Its a straight buff to the packs

Just bad if 2 vets take it

[strange sparrow]

I would say @wanton dawn did a good guide on Mk2 spear build

[terse idol]

[vivid bolt]

Field Improv is a must pick for me tbh

[strange sparrow]

You could references his content

[thorn plinth]

will look it up ^_^
thanks

[vivid bolt]

getting grenades from packs is WILD

[strange sparrow]

I believe he posted on steam so just look it up with link

As he spam it multiple time in this discord

[vivid bolt]

5 ogryn nukes from pack... mmmm...
4 immolation grenades...

[strange sparrow]

Yea I agree but fuck my team

IM BALLING DAMAGE

[torn root]

field improv carries Twins btw

[stuck gorge]

oh yea what shovel would you guys say is the best of the 3

[torn root]

give ogrynheimer his nades for smooth sailing

[terse idol]

#veteran-class message

Here you gooo

[wooden lotus]

field improv is really fucking good but i dont run it in pugs bc no one tries to get value out of it

[torn root]

Foldable

[wooden lotus]

foldable mk 3

[sonic marlin]

so would u say the melee wep ur using is the best for veteran?

[vivid bolt]

prolly not the best

[wooden lotus]

vet has like 7 viable meta melee weps

[terse idol]

Dclaw ain't the best

[frank ether]

its all fun and games till you time a parry but 3 of them overhead at different intervals

[terse idol]

🥹

[wooden lotus]

d-claw's good but definitely not best

sadly

[sonic marlin]

which is then

the best i mean

[vivid bolt]

DClaw, Rashad, Power Sword are all very good options

also

[forest scaffold]

my people

[strange sparrow]

Dclaw is me self handicapping myself

[forest scaffold]

but. . . that would mean the dclaw would have to be bad first

[strange sparrow]

Because Powersword rot my brain

[forest scaffold]

and. . . its not

[vivid bolt]

"not the best" for vet isnt much of a difference cause its Power Sword V Fucking everything in terms of meta

[terse idol]

Rashad, but I wouldn't think about it too hard now
Since rashad is very hard to build for

[thorn plinth]

damn you fast with those XD
thanks!!

[terse idol]

[forest scaffold]

rashad combat axe vs everything

[sonic marlin]

i've been following these builds but after i tried plasma gun and hated it i think its not a good idea to continue

[strange sparrow]

It’s bad because it’s not the best

[forest scaffold]

power sword mk6 is second place

[strange sparrow]

[wooden lotus]

power sword, chaxes, chainswords, rashad, shovel

knife

[forest scaffold]

then its everything else under that

but rashad is dumb good on vet

[terse idol]

I mean I will say, try it again when you're 30

[torn root]

they arent the worst

[vivid bolt]

eh i just fuckin hate the braindead nature of rashad

[strange sparrow]

I put everything below Psword and Rashad rn tbh

[terse idol]

All the guns before max level feel terrible

[forest scaffold]

since it naturally reaches bruisers breakpoints with 10% melee damage and flak/unarmored

[terse idol]

They have the worst stats in the game

[forest scaffold]

:f: 🅰️ :i: :r:

[strange sparrow]

Psword just abusive with no talent investment require

[forest scaffold]

too lazy to do regional indicator

[sonic marlin]

i just don't know what to use for now, what could be the best weapon that can ADS?

[torn root]

most of the builds on gameslantern website dont have a lot of insight or much care for what's strong or could work efficiently

[wooden lotus]

^

[forest scaffold]

colomnus IAG

[wooden lotus]

one of the most upvoted posts on there is still the double rend accatran laser spam

[forest scaffold]

or mgiv

[wooden lotus]

and that's like

[terse idol]

Ads...
Lasgun if you want to do an exe stance build with focus target
Mainly the Kantrael Ia

[wooden lotus]

swept by any columnus build with mild gamesense

[hollow ibex]

reminds me of that zealot "meta" build on there

[frank ether]

Idk most melee options are pretty ok for veteran

[forest scaffold]

I would highly suggest an autoclicker mod with MGIV though

[terse idol]

Revolver

[forest scaffold]

Mg1a is also good

[strange sparrow]

Columnus without blessing us fuckin autistic

[tall torrent]

You ever wanted to bring 2 melee weapons and 1 ranged weapon at the same time?

[forest scaffold]

and doesn't require the autoclicker

[terse idol]

The slow revolver is one of the best guns in the game

[frank ether]

knife, shovel, chaxe, combat axe

[strange sparrow]

I’m can carry in auric mael with it

[frank ether]

you got options

[forest scaffold]

I hate knife

i hate knife i hate knife i hate knife i hate knife i hate knife i hate knife

i hate knife i hate knife i hate knife i hate knife

i hate knife i hate knife i hate knife i hate knife i hate knife i hate knife i hate knife i hate knife i hate knife i hate knife i hate knife

[torn root]

again there are still ppl trying to argue the 3.6 seconds off of VoC is the most value you get from curios

[frank ether]

I think I broke puri

[terse idol]

The mxii lasgun is power crept but it's a workhorse

[forest scaffold]

And I hate everyone that uses it, even me.

[sonic marlin]

huh

[torn root]

they dont care because math doesnt matter

[tall torrent]

Helbore lasgun mk1 or mk2

[terse idol]

Still decent if you want to do semi auto firing

[forest scaffold]

and yes, I use combat knife sometimes on vet

[frank ether]

its ok, I'm used to it

[forest scaffold]

it makes me a better player

which I hate

its such an unfun weapon to use

[frank ether]

I like the new knife

[terse idol]

Alot of this stuff doesn't matter until you reach level 30 though
All the guns pre-30 feel terrible and suck eggs

[frank ether]

I've been trying to roll the dodge crit chance blessing

[terse idol]

[torn root]

Columnus feels nice 100% of the time

[terse idol]

Except revolver 😌

[torn root]

dont lie

[frank ether]

but rng is not on my side

[terse idol]

Level 5 vet with a columnus be like-

[torn root]

we need more Church members and you scaring them off

[terse idol]

Look, I'm leveling a new vet, I tried to carry with the burst iag

The worst mistake in my life

[torn root]

nah

[stuck gorge]

columnus is my main weapon as vet whos leveling up lol

[torn root]

the best

[tall torrent]

Headhunter autoguns have a huge discrepancy in recoil depending on the stability roll

[torn root]

get some of that columnus spice in early

[terse idol]

I don't know if you remeber

[strange sparrow]

I fuckin hate how Naming Scheme is in Darktide thou

[terse idol]

How hard it was to control an early iag

But oh boy

[strange sparrow]

What the fuck is columnus Agripinaa Zorona

[torn root]

you must have had shit stability

[terse idol]

They also had damage mods of like 5

[torn root]

lmao

idk

[terse idol]

Or 15

[tall torrent]

Planet origins

[terse idol]

Yes early iags have 10

[dry knoll]

Yeah, Columus is weapon type, Agripinaa is the forge world

[strange sparrow]

it is not the best description on how and what the weapons do in game

[terse idol]

Some of our worst iags at level 30 have like 40 or 50 still

[tall torrent]

It’s just lore stuff, it’s whatever to me

[torn root]

isnt this similar to how we name guns irl tho?

like actually?

[strange sparrow]

Especially when you start out on the game, it's so difficult to know which gun is good

[terse idol]

Uh

[torn root]

i think its just for flavor

[strange sparrow]

IRL guns have classification on what they do in games most of the time

[tall torrent]

I just tell every new player to play chainsword and revolver/IAG

[dry knoll]

I mean it's not like real world weapons are Saying "3 shot burst rifle, 5.56 chamber, Bullpup" as their names. It'd be a bit odd.

[terse idol]

Most gun names are just like the creators name

[tall torrent]

They’re like the easiest to use weapons by far

[strange sparrow]

and futhermore, it have tooltip telling you what it does

Infantry AutoGun, what does that mean FatShark

[terse idol]

And maybe the calibre

Ump .45

[strange sparrow]

Does that mean all these gun shoot fast

[terse idol]

What is an m3

[torn root]

CoD? bATTLEFIELD?

[terse idol]

M3 garand

What is Garand but the name of the guy

[torn root]

which games show what the guns do or what they are for pre-gameplay?

[inland orchid]

Alotta gun shoot fast, but not all shoot fast

[terse idol]

An m1911

[strange sparrow]

CoD and Battlefield does too, telling you SMG/Rifle

and give you a tooltip

[terse idol]

Both very casual

🥹

[torn root]

yeah but saying battle rifle and assault rifel doesnt tell the intended gameplay

[strange sparrow]

Also my last CoD is Mw2 and Battlefield is BF3

[hollow ibex]

the game definitely could be clearer on the intended role of each weapon

[terse idol]

I mean

[torn root]

because thats an umbrella and the play different based on what they were actually meant for

[terse idol]

Its fairly obvious

Sometimes...

[strange sparrow]

I mean BattleRifle, you would assume it's single fire already so...

[torn root]

like you have close ranged assault rifels

[terse idol]

Like

[hollow ibex]

i was very confused when i first started

[strange sparrow]

it's pretty easier to recognize them in other games....

compared to darktide

[terse idol]

When you shoot the gun a few times you can figure out what role it wants

[torn root]

but they arent

[hollow ibex]

so many different marks

[terse idol]

Vraks 7 semi auto

Loud

[torn root]

battle rifles can be used as single fire or modded for close range engagements

[tall torrent]

Battle rifles are select fire

[torn root]

^

even in cod

you get to the point where battle rifels are just heavier assault rifels

it doesnt tell you shit

lmao

[strange sparrow]

I would disagree so because I don't have the problem selecting a weapon most of the time in COD, even in some genre that can't use the same weapon's name

it's way more overwhelming in Darktide Weapon selection compared to Other game

[terse idol]

If I want to be pedantic, new cod also let's you mod guns to a point where they're intended use gets very muddled

It's a mess

[torn root]

i mean you also have close to long range in each category too

not even just a battle rifle thing

[terse idol]

And uh smgs somehow beat assault rifles in all ranges

[torn root]

which is fucking dumb

[forest scaffold]

I wish there were a reason to run the vraks

but the mg12 is just better than it in uh

every single way

[terse idol]

Hmmm

I think the vraks 7 could do better into crushers with rending

[strange sparrow]

I also hope they went with VT2 Naming Scheme with the Psyker Staff

[tall torrent]

Vraks3 is different tho

[strange sparrow]

Because I do not know what the fuck is Void/Surge/Purg staff is in the earlier days

[terse idol]

Purg is like

Kinda intuitive

Like oh fucking uh fire

Surge is like lightning

What the fuck is a void

*shrug

[torn root]

that's not intuitive at all

lmao

[terse idol]

Yeahhh

[torn root]

a surge can be a surge of anything

lmao

[strange sparrow]

Then there's Columnus IAG and Columnus Braced Gun

Which further confused me

[terse idol]

Braced auto guns and iags are

[hollow ibex]

and then columnus IAG being the high ROF version, while for braced it's graia

bruh

[terse idol]

I mean if you want to get picky
Smg vs carbine

[strange sparrow]

The game does a very very shit job in telling you what gun does what

[torn root]

yup

[terse idol]

But iags don't exactly seem like smgs

[torn root]

i agree with this but there is also heuristics

[terse idol]

cause they certainly fire a larger round than a pistol round

[strange sparrow]

also I would blame Blessings System that make the gun functional or bad

[torn root]

they arent

[sonic marlin]

this?

[strange sparrow]

If no one use PowerCycler on Psword when you start out, you just be like

[forest scaffold]

yep

[strange sparrow]

This is trash man

[forest scaffold]

I still think that power cycler just needs to be removed from the game

[terse idol]

This is why I would wait until max level

[forest scaffold]

full stop

fuck people who ground it out

[tall torrent]

Because they’re technically assault style rifles
Agripinaa 1 is supposedly a battle rifle mimic
Graia 8 is supposedly the standard rifle
And Columnus 5 is supposedly the rapid fire SBR

[forest scaffold]

just remove that shit already

[terse idol]

But buying a columnus now isn't a bad idea

[strange sparrow]

The thing about this game is some blessing just outright make the weapon So much fuckin better

[forest scaffold]

yeah, the IAGs are just rifle facsimiles from real life

[strange sparrow]

like a gigantic big margin

[sonic marlin]

and then what

[forest scaffold]

Agrip is AK

Columnus is M4

Graia is uh

[strange sparrow]

Columnus is fine

[forest scaffold]

I dunno

[terse idol]

Then try all the guns we mention

[tall torrent]

Only shredder autopistol would be classified as a “pistol”
All the other autoguns are rifles

[terse idol]

[torn root]

sometimes warping them completely

[forest scaffold]

some bastard child mcx or something who knows

[hollow ibex]

columnus is more like a famas with double the mag size tbh

[strange sparrow]

Other time, The blessing is straight up dogwater

[torn root]

^

but they have to do that

[tall torrent]

Nah agripinaa 1 is much closer to how SCAR-H is usually depicted in games

[terse idol]

Yeah that is maybe abit unhealthy

[torn root]

because rng games HAVE to have garbage

[strange sparrow]

3 of them are super op, 7 of them are super ??????????

[torn root]

Boarderlands solidified that game concept

[tall torrent]

AK is more like the braced autoguns

[forest scaffold]

I'm just going off of RPM

650/800

and whatever the graia is

I havent used the graia IAG in ages

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa 1 is really slow at like 461rpm
Graia 8 is at 600rpm
Columnus 5 is at 800rpm

[forest scaffold]

but they're all, graia/columnus/agrip, definitely just "Standard shooty shooty bang bang"

[hollow ibex]

oh huh they feel faster than that ingame

[torn root]

only way to tell is to count it out

[forest scaffold]

so. . .

ump45, ak, m4

[torn root]

using frame data

do it 🙂

[forest scaffold]

Granted, the UMP45 I think is actually 400rpm

not 461

but close enough

[strange sparrow]

They could had categorise the gun better

Or sort them accordingly

[torn root]

yes

but this is fatshark

dont expect too much so early

[terse idol]

Yeah its needlessly complex

They didn't exactly explain many dlc weapons in v2 this is just a level of like

How they do

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa1’s firerate is so low it’s prob to mimic semi auto fire without making it semi auto

[strange sparrow]

Vt2 naming scheme are super dumb down so you could just use it straight

[tall torrent]

UMP45 is 600~650rpm

[strange sparrow]

I don’t name my spear something like

[terse idol]

What the heck does Tuscan mean for my Tuscan spear

[strange sparrow]

UBERSTRICK STANDARD ISSUE STICK-METAL

[terse idol]

Or like

The executioners sword like

Wow it had executioner in the name

[torn root]

but again

the way they name thins in this game is like a presentation show

[terse idol]

Does this main it's this class of sword???

[torn root]

flavor

lmao

[terse idol]

Its just how they did it

Yes flavour

Because all of these names

Are lore planets

Agrinapinna

[strange sparrow]

Flavour is nice but I get utterly confused to hell

[torn root]

matter of fact

[terse idol]

Manufacturer names

[torn root]

its like nerf gun boxxes

but without the commercial

[terse idol]

We.are the testers

[torn root]

^

[tall torrent]

Also none of the autoguns in this game are lore accurate

[terse idol]

I mean it's an okay way to force everyone to try out a gun, rather than be like

I don't like smgs I don't wanna try it

[strange sparrow]

Oh yea Lasgun look nice, they all work the same (right?)

[inland orchid]

War is a great way to test new patterns, probably

[strange sparrow]

[terse idol]

I don't like snipers I don't wanna try it

[torn root]

neither the bolter

[terse idol]

While I've personally done while playing cod

[strange sparrow]

Why I quit game without 5 seconds earlier on

Damn this weapon hella shit

[tall torrent]

Bolter and las weapons are pretty on point in terms of lore accuracy

[torn root]

well the Bolter USE to be lore accurate

then it got toned down

.>

[terse idol]

The state of modern cod has been a disaster for its franchise
Most of these best min maxed weapons don't even have a stock

[tall torrent]

It’s still alright

[terse idol]

Like wth

[torn root]

nah man

dont do that

we had a good thing then balance happened

lmao

[tall torrent]

Autoguns are supposed to be like
Up to 30r mags
U can’t carry that much ammo

[swift ingot]

Yeah I like the sound design for the lasgun, because the sound a lasgun makes is more of a crack than pew pew

[terse idol]

I mean I thought this was like

An older gen bolter

We we're not special for real astartes bolters

[dry knoll]

Older would be better (if you're not primaris marines)

[strange sparrow]

We can't use real astartes bolters

[torn root]

WH40K mags are more buckets of bullets than they are magazines

[strange sparrow]

We are using sister of battle kind of bolters

[terse idol]

Ooh

That makes sense

[swift ingot]

Or Arbites

[tall torrent]

I don’t mean like weapon balance, I mean just general depiction on basic stuff

[terse idol]

An astartes bolter are like venerated, tech priests likely scavenge the battlefield for any they can scavenge

[torn root]

dont the sisters of battle have a bit smaller bolters?

[dry knoll]

I thought Sisters had bigger too honestly as they rock power armour. But Arbites bolt gun ye

[terse idol]

This is probably why we use one

[dry knoll]

Sisters is smaller than Astartes bolter 100%

[strange sparrow]

Most of the Bolters we used are mini-Space Marine Bolter