veteran-class

[terse idol]

Yep

But that's why I will say, maniac unarmoured

Erryday

[delicate estuary]

or you can use exe stance

[terse idol]

Suuure

[dense pebble]

whats maniac for? i seems to 1 shot most already

[terse idol]

Mutants

[lucid hinge]

ok the problem with bolter is that it has shit ammo and is generally a shadow of its former self, the base of the bolter wasnt great it was the blessings that made it really really good. they nerfed those blessings without buffing base bolter

but yeah

it makes me sad

[delicate estuary]

we can agree to disagree

bolter for me currently is perfectly fine

[hollow ibex]

Hate the sway on it

[delicate estuary]

the serenity bodyshot oneshots

is very chill

[terse idol]

I forgor what else is maniac
Dredge ragers?

[lucid hinge]

all ragers

[terse idol]

Trappers

Flamers

Or wrr

[hollow ibex]

I don’t like running deadshot or exec stance

[delicate estuary]

flak ragers are flak

[terse idol]

Dredge flamer?

[delicate estuary]

dreg ragers are maniac

[lucid hinge]

dreg and scab ragers are maniac all flamers are maniac

[delicate estuary]

both flamers are maniac

[terse idol]

Weird

I thought scab would be flak

[fossil basalt]

Don't forget the auto-reload of Vet's old ability, made the magdump of a bolter actually kinda work

[delicate estuary]

FS disagrees

[terse idol]

Gee

Thanks fs

[delicate estuary]

used to advocate for magdump but its not as useful as just aiming down and tapping

get more value

[terse idol]

Always fun to mag dump though

[delicate estuary]

you know what else is fun though. Pop smoke nade on 6 crusher swarm -> "entering stealth mode" -> sit back sip your tea and watch as they swarm the stinky psyker

[terse idol]

[lucid hinge]

God I wish the iron sights for the lasgun were actually in the game instead of having to use a mod

[nimble kayak]

Should I buy this just for Efficiency IV? I'm on Zealot rn but I'm leveling up a Veteran and I love the Infantry Lasgun so I'm planning to sorta deck out one for my Vet once I get max lol.

[limber fractal]

Should I keep trickshooter or replace it with roulette, otherwise how does this roll look?

[wet elk]

does this ammo matter lol

holy crap

[nimble kayak]

I don't know enough on Vet but I feel like if you run primarily a melee build you could make that work.

just use it as a nuke option.

or somethin.

[ornate ivy]

yknow, you could also just shoot n stab whatever you need to kill to death by shooting and stabbing them to death right?

[wet elk]

could run tac reload and volley adept i guess?

[junior needle]

Yes, plasma is not very ammo efficient even with an acceptable ammo score

I'd skip that one

[wet elk]

with reload talents

its really fast reload

🤔

[terse idol]

With that low ammo, it's gonna hurt

When you pick up ammo it's based off a percent of your max too

[wet elk]

damn i guess its that bad :(

[tall torrent]

Playing plasma gun is like automatically claiming 50% of all ammo pick up for yourself

[steady pawn]

blessings for a vrak mk 3?

[tall torrent]

Headhunter + deadly accurate

[rancid echo]

what do people mean when they say something is a "finesse weapon"

[dense pebble]

so more plasma questions should i swap out shattering impact for smth else or crit damage?

[lofty lintel]

ohohohohohoho

[steady pawn]

can only change one perk afterwards so should it be maniac or flak?

[long skiff]

are the three vet columns in the talent tree supposed to be anything in particular?

[drowsy kayak]

pray to the omnissiah that hadron doesn't brick it

[serene sage]

I personally asked Hadron to be nice this time. Good luck soldier

[lofty lintel]

oh its gonna be a brick for sure just wanna make sure i have the screenshot of the grey weapon before everything goes south

[dense pebble]

also sidenote from various plasma playtesting, can it not headshot crushers?

am i just stupid or bugged

[crimson crown]

vet is my least played class so im no expert. what should i aim for blessings and perks wise on my plasma gun?

[torn root]

what do you mean by this?

[tall torrent]

Probably maniac

[crimson crown]

any tips on my plasma?

upgrade to LED? :P

[terse idol]

Would swap SL to either volatile, or Blaze it

Ranged crit probably shoulda swapped

Or err SI

I meeeaan

I just dont think SI is good

But

[rancid echo]

nothing else you can do on it since its locked

[terse idol]

Imo you still want to meet breakpoint on dredge gunners unless you're skilling

[dense pebble]

yeah the top perk was infested damage b4 so that had to go

[crimson crown]

i mean in case i want to roll another one

which i will eventually lol

but its all good. just read the range weapon primer and it says get blaze away and gets hot. so i will aim for those

[frank ether]

opinions on precognition?

how does finesse damage even work in this context I'm curious

does it boost both crit and weakspot damage I wonder

[stone crystal]

Hello everyone! I'm trying to get Make Every Shot Count penance and its just not working for me. I'm using the Kantreal Mk10 shotgun and a chainsword. I'm counting my shots and finishing with no shells remaining, and I missing something here?

[shadow aurora]

Not sure. You might have to land every pellet with the shotgun blast?

Switch to a different weapon

Revolver would be a better choice by far

Accurate and you can chew through ammo very quickly by firing into hordes

@stone crystal

[stone crystal]

Thank you very much. Revolver it is.

[shadow aurora]

Make sure to get the first variation the new one has garbo accuracy

[junior needle]

I dislike it due to the particulars of successful dodges but it's recognized by the zealot channel as being a good option. Also it's both crit and weakspot damage, yeah.

[terse idol]

its not thaaat bad
But it will be easier with a regular one yee

[tall torrent]

Yes

[crimson crown]

this review of the veteran voice acting on steam lol xD

I don't understand why Fatshark has such ***** voice lines for the veteran, he constantly can't even say the name of the enemy. He will be like "KILL this Something something" he forgets half way what he's **** saying all the time, it's was funny at first but now it's lit all i ***** hear and it honestly just makes me wanna mute the ***** in game characters, anyways horrible game fix the ***** and i'll change it to positive

"horrible game" cause he dislikes voice lines lol

[junior needle]

literally unplayable

[crimson crown]

ikr xD

[tall torrent]

Not needed, just 90% of ur shots have to hit something with health (bodies dropping to the floor doesn’t count)

[frank ether]

oh neat

[frank ether]

I think I'd rather keep that than ruthless still

[torn root]

Dude's a bot

the person that made the comment, not you

[crimson crown]

i figured :P

[frank ether]

I understand its not ideal but its not too bad doing a dodge+heavy

also I spent like 1m ordo

and this is the only good knife I got

[junior needle]

Uncanny is a very reliable option, more rending is more damage after all even if you hit cap. There's also others like executor that isn't bleed reliant.

[frank ether]

hmm, think I should go for executor over mercy killer and drop the bleed?

isnt executor resetting when you miss or stop hitting head though?

[junior needle]

On vet? Yes

It does, but it also gives stacking power, so it's similar to decimator in that regard. Not sure if it multistacks on multihits, it might still. Unlike deci.

[frank ether]

I could also slap uncanny IV but Idk if its worth losing the power stat for other elites

[frank ether]

yeah I was never a big fan of decimator on shovel

hated it

in fact

zero play room

[junior needle]

I have a knife with executor

Let me test it

[frank ether]

I have one with executor+mercy

[junior needle]

Very well, you may test it

Haymaker is also an option for heavy spam with the cleaving heavies

[hollow ibex]

Even on standard shovel?

[junior needle]

Deci just has very player unfriendly mechanics

[frank ether]

yes, despise it

[junior needle]

Like not multistacking and dropping on a miss

[frank ether]

I'll try uncanny for a game

or you know what

executor 3

I got that

I might aswell slap it and see

[junior needle]

If you have haymaker 4, give it a try with heavy spam

It's funny on ogryn weapons

But the tier makes a big difference

[frank ether]

I dont unfortunately

hadron hates my guts

[gray belfry]

so how did hadron do

[junior needle]

You want flak/maniac for perks and generally uncanny/something else for blessings. Flesh tearer is fine if more niche as an option, but that's on zealot and the value is considerably less on vet who has much less access to crit.

[gray belfry]

so stick with the mercy killer/uncanny one i got already fair

[hollow ibex]

Oh didn’t realize. Thought it might be decent on standard shovel because I just spam heavies

[junior needle]

Just make sure you're using the bleed talent if you're going mercy killer, some people miss that part

[gray belfry]

ofc.

[junior needle]

It's still considered one of the better options for shovels, but people still don't like it mechanically

[gray belfry]

gotta say though, mk 6 knife fucks. fun as hell and can clear crowds better than i expected

[junior needle]

Heavy spam I assume?

[gray belfry]

light/heavy as well

so you dont get that overhead during horde

[junior needle]

Eh, I hate not being able to spam only one type

[midnight totem]

anybody on right now want to help me with my accuracy penance?

[gray belfry]

heavy-heavy-block works too

more for the light to get bleed on, heacy to take advantage of mercy killer

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I can understand. Need to test it out

[gray belfry]

which shovels this?

[hollow ibex]

Really want that knife but no luck yet

[hollow ibex]

Just generally but I was thinking of standard mostly

[gray belfry]

youl get it soon, then you can unleash your inner zealot and proceed to die a lot because its somethign about the knife that attracts the most suicidal players

[gray belfry]

fair. i went with the mk 7 i think it is, the new heavy is slow on recovery but having the normal shovel heavys is so much better imo

[hollow ibex]

Yeah mk7 heavies for horde clear is nowhere near as safe as standard heavy spam

[stone crystal]

Got it lads. The Emperor Protects.

[gray belfry]

oh im talking unfolded. the pickaxe heavys still handy for crushers and the like, can one shot mutants if you headshot em too

[shadow aurora]

Praise the emperor!

[hollow ibex]

For single target idk if deci is all that useful

[gray belfry]

dont listen to that blasphemer. embrace the fanfire. accuracy through volume, you'l hit that sniper eventually

'fr run whatever, if you like high RoF and ammo go cowboy, if you want a pocket sniper go standard. both are fine'

if you stand still and or crouch you can get some decent accuracy anyway, might only take 3 shots instead of 3 reloads

was a build someone posted here before with fanfire in mind, run suppression immunity and deadshot and you can get some decent accuracy 'im just bad with it and move too much'

[buoyant matrix]

lol

[tidal wedge]

this is fake news

[torn root]

TF SNIPERS DO FRIENDLY FIRE?!?!

[buoyant matrix]

Lol i wish

team mate baited them i guess

[serene sage]

But they actually do though

They will absolutely blast friendly forces to shoot you.

[shadow aurora]

You have to crouch and stay still to hit anything even remotely far from you

[vale glade]

Snipers don't have friends, so I wouldn't consider that friendly fire

[versed merlin]

same with gunners too

[tidal wedge]

#darktide-pics-vids message

[midnight totem]

huzzah, got the accuracy penance

[vale glade]

Congrats

[midnight totem]

ogryn really are a vet's best friend

[rancid echo]

more like smite/dome psyker

[midnight totem]

I'll take both

[serene bough]

Love me a dome psyker

[rancid echo]

i love them but i hate playing it when teammates are terrible

it's like watching the titanic sink

and you are the violinist in the band

[tall torrent]

Yea snipers can kill enemies for u

[wet elk]

not the best but, quite decent mission reward o_O

[midnight mortar]

RIP finesse.

[wet elk]

sure, but does it matter if you spam special then light?

[midnight mortar]

It affects attack speed so yes.

[wet elk]

not back to back combos?

[midnight mortar]

Also horde clear for the mk3 is heavy spam.

The mk6 is what you'd use lights on.

Just inspect the weapon and hover over the finesse bar.

[hollow ibex]

Take BM

[wet elk]

earn blessing?

[crimson crown]

should i do 3x5% tough perks for another 15% toughness?

or more health

[crude ermine]

Can confirm

A sniper killed some poor trapper

Didn't even know she was there till I saw her corpse fly right by me

[tall torrent]

Scab snipers got zero chill, they’ll blast any & everything to try to shoot u

Bulwarks included

Which is a really funny interaction

[crude ermine]

Bulwarks blocking enemy gunner fire is funny to me

Sometimes they're the gunners worst enemy

[umbral scaffold]

If you crouch you can use hordes as cover against gunners

Thank you gunners for mowing down the enemy indiscriminately

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[umbral scaffold]

Especially good since crouching doesn’t limit your movement and dodging capabilities

[versed merlin]

how is tac axe for horde dealing?

[finite imp]

All my fellas

[terse idol]

Very tough

[finite imp]

Just use Rashad. It's ok

[terse idol]

Unless you're min maxing a rashad

Well yeah but you gotta min max it

[versed merlin]

aw i just wanted a backstab weapon that isnt dagger

[finite imp]

Axes are decent against armor

Honestly I wish they had better burst damage

[tall torrent]

Not the best

[finite imp]

I would take a speed nerf on the axe if it meant they hit harder

[tall torrent]

Tac axes are on the short end of the stick for the axe family rn

[versed merlin]

lame

tac axes are pretty cool

[finite imp]

Agreed

[tall torrent]

Combat axes deal with all situations
Chainaxes sacrifice dodge & horde clear for MASSIVE anti-armor dmg
Tac axes are mobile but just don’t do enough dmg

[wet elk]

does heavy charge faster with finesse

[finite imp]

The concept is good

[versed merlin]

i like the idea of a agile axe

[finite imp]

They just either need a speed boost better pen or a damage buff

[tall torrent]

Need them to buff tac axes into Connor’s tomahawk from AC3

[finite imp]

Cuz they don't really cut it

When even the chain axe is outshining you there's a problem

[tall torrent]

I think better dmg would be enough tbh

They’re like knife but axe

[finite imp]

Yeah

The concept behind an axe is just that

[tall torrent]

But the issue is that knifes have just WAY better anti-armor than tac axes rn

[finite imp]

It's designed to cut deep into dense materials

[tall torrent]

Cuz they get uncanny

And knives have very strong blessings to choose from

[finite imp]

It really deserves a damage buff

If the knife gets a buff to back stabs the axe should get a native buff to heavy weak spot hits

[wet elk]

also heres the same weapon, 55 finesse and 80 finesse light attack spamming

[finite imp]

Like that's the concept right

[tall torrent]

A Rashad / Antax can 4 overhead both crushers and maulers in like 1200~1300 dps while keeping them staggered

A chainaxe can rev one shot both at 3000+ dps

[finite imp]

The knife does more cuz it digs in deep

So does an axe

[tall torrent]

Tac axe just don’t do enough dps to compete

[finite imp]

An axe to the face should get a buff

Only if heavy tho

[tall torrent]

And tac axes just in general have weird move sets

The only saving grace for them is that they have one of the best stagger specials in the game

Tac axe special can open a bulwark without hitting its face

[radiant plank]

worth it from melk?

there's also an infantry lasgun with headhunter 4

[flint garden]

to rip off the blessings sure

[viscid vessel]

Get a load of this:

[loud perch]

Worth to buy power cycler 3 from melk or just wait for 4?

[gray belfry]

so got this from end of mission, reckon its worth keeping and just throwing on flak/maniac?

[viscid vessel]

Depends how many Melk Bucks you have.

[gray belfry]

honestly 4's the better play

its night and day with not having it/pc3 and pc4

[junior needle]

Looks good enough stat wise, shredder only applies to sticking attacks and the special, so your horde clear with the nonstick lights wont be affected. I haven't actually used it but old chainaxe did want both those blessings.

Not sure if it'd prefer flak/unarmored for horde clearing and bruiser breakpoints

But I'd say it's a safe bet to change both perks and take it for a spin

[gray belfry]

yeah fair call. i just went with the bogstandard for now. ill have to wait till after work before i can actually test it proper

[tall torrent]

Pretty usable, swap both perks prob

But u can get better for sure

[gray belfry]

hey its good enough for me, i just got it while farming plasteel for knives

[tall torrent]

I don’t think chainaxes can even hit bruiser 1 shot breakpoints?

[gray belfry]

incidently, slug shotgun, whats the other blessing to go for other than full bore

[tall torrent]

Even if they could it would be such a massive point investment that it’s generally not worth it

and they don’t have BM to maintain first target dmg

[fleet garden]

pc3 = leaded fuel, pc4 = unleaded

[junior needle]

Not sure what they're good for then

Haven't rolled any good ones since the patch, but then again I've barely been playing

[tall torrent]

Chainaxes are very very strong in anti-armor

[junior needle]

This is true

But like

[versed merlin]

few light attacks in and you kill a mauler

[junior needle]

You have multi strong antiarmor options in the melee slot already

[tall torrent]

Different flavour of power sword imo
But the horde clear aspect is nowhere the same

[junior needle]

Yeah that too

Other options get the clear and the anti-armor

[tall torrent]

The main benefit imo is that

They’re kind of easier to use than power swords?

Power sword u get interrupted in a charge and ur combo is lost

Which really forces u into giving up ground and keep dodging backwards

[junior needle]

I'd say less tedious to use

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe has very strong anti-armor blessings

[junior needle]

But also, the sawing puts you in a vulnerable position to get the damage off. You can cancel it now, thankfully

But it still cancels your payout

[tall torrent]

Not necessarily

If you’re running thrust + headtaker/slaughter for the one shot crusher build, yes

That is risky

[junior needle]

Does the damage still go if you dodge out of the animation?

[tall torrent]

But I think the safest way to go is thunderous + bloodletter

[junior needle]

mmm

[tall torrent]

U can rev, heavy an enemy, dodge cancel out of it

And bleed kills the enemy

Works very well for ragers

[junior needle]

Then your clear is big shit

[tall torrent]

I mean, if you’re bringing a chainaxe

You’ve already accepted that the horde clear is gonna be suboptimal

[junior needle]

My point is more, if it's like that, why ever bring a chainaxe

It's purely worse than the alternatives

[tall torrent]

For fun?

[junior needle]

[tall torrent]

I do find some advantages of chainaxe over combat axes though

Combat axe is more general purpose and handles everything well

But against maulers & crushers u kind of get tunnel visioned

Because u have to keep hitting overheads (4 times if built right)

Chainaxe (especially thunderous + bloodletter) can just

Rev heavy once, then forget about the enemy

They’re as good as dead

[wooden lotus]

the new damage is definitely enough to just shred anything in a single hit with zero investment on damnation

[tall torrent]

U can also run a funny infiltrate chainaxe build where u actually get to flank and wipe every armored elite without getting hit

[devout patio]

Guys any suggestions to make this better? Do I double roll perks or 1 perk and brutal off

[tall torrent]

Also @junior needle the new chainaxe (mk12) has a very good push atk

High dmg stab

Can fight ragers without ever going into rev

[marsh condor]

Bolter is better on which classes again?

[tall torrent]

Veteran & Zealot

[marsh condor]

I said "better"

[junior needle]

Psyker doesn't have bolter

It's better on vet

[tall torrent]

Oh mb

Veteran

[marsh condor]

Okay

[gray belfry]

change the block efficiency, and then....idk what the other blessing thats good is, i just got one with t4 rampage and that does the trick for me

[marsh condor]

Ironic

But...

Assuming we get new Bolter variants, I'm gonna bet one of them would be better on Zealot.

[tall torrent]

Personally I’d harvest for PC4 because that 30% mobility is going to really cost your dodge counts (which power sword needs)

[junior needle]

You want brutal or sunder, both are bis for different reasons. I'd reroll the perks unless you have sunderer already and want to use it.

[wooden lotus]

personally that's a really goodsword besides the mobility

good stand-in until you roll one with better mobility marginally

otherwise that's a pretty fucking good roll

[devout patio]

I do plan on using it. Idc about the low mobility. Everything else is too good to not use

[wooden lotus]

brutal / cycler is one of the bis's so i'd just change the perks

[marsh condor]

But in any case, I can't help but compare the Bolter to a fully-automatic shortened Barrett M82.

[bitter turtle]

I agree with this ye

just use it but look for another one while you use it

the loss of a dodge sucks but the sword itself is good at the killing

very good

[devout patio]

So if momentum is already good I just double roll perks? Like carapace and flack?

[bitter turtle]

ya

[wooden lotus]

yeah and i personally dont really care for sunderer

[bitter turtle]

well

[wooden lotus]

yeah

[bitter turtle]

i run flaniac on mine

but carapace works if it helps you reach a breakpoint on crushers

[wooden lotus]

you're gonna one-combo crushers with power cycler 4 anyway

[bitter turtle]

yeah, some ppl i talked to said they can 2tap them tho

[gaunt stratus]

whats the best deathclaw for vet

[wooden lotus]

especially w/ momentum

[bitter turtle]

mine is 3tap

[wooden lotus]

if you want that two-tap, it's pretty good

ya

[bitter turtle]

so idk if carapace+ hits that breakpoint

[terse idol]

I'm privy to the IV

[tall torrent]

4 or 7, depending on which moveset u prefer

[terse idol]

Nice and easy horizontal combo
Block-attack's an over head

[junior needle]

Idc about the low mobility.
You will. In that case take off crit chance and keep block efficiency.

[terse idol]

What's the difference between 4 and 7 in combo?

[tall torrent]

7 has H1 as sweep, so for single target it’s L -> H -> L loop

[junior needle]

Oh whoops I responded to myself

[tall torrent]

And for horde clear it’s H -> L repeat

[devout patio]

@wooden lotus @bitter turtle thank you so much! Really appreciate the insightful feedback

[tall torrent]

Not much difference

[bitter turtle]

I definitely would look for one with 50+ mobility eventually tho

[tall torrent]

Just depends on whether you want easier access sweep or overhead

[bitter turtle]

but i wouldnt harvest it until you actually get it

[terse idol]

Hmmmm

[placid kelp]

any suggestions on what to do with this pistol? I can add t3 dumdum or ghost

[terse idol]

Gotta try it

[tall torrent]

Also this combo comes out pretty fast

Even without 10% atk speed buff

[terse idol]

[junior needle]

If you don't want to alternate lights and heavies you can use the 1 claw

[tall torrent]

I think it’s L1 -> H2 (strikedown) -> L3 (strikedown)

So yea

[junior needle]

Which has pure horizontal heavies

[tall torrent]

U get 2 higher dmg hits quickly

[terse gate]

Thoughts? Dont use revo much

[marsh condor]

This is how I see the Bolter nowadays

[terse gate]

My current revo that I use for a weapon swapping infiltrator

[radiant plank]

Good gun, swap out trickshooter for surgical and sprint to maniac and it'll be great

[idle dirge]

Best guns to use like a sniper, other than the revolver?

[hollow ibex]

Too slow to use safely in hordes though no?

[hollow ibex]

Agri

[radiant plank]

Vraks 7 headhunter maybe

[terse gate]

Plaz

[marsh condor]

Bolter, Vraks 7 Headhunter, Helbore and (surprisingly) Kantrael Lasgun

[bitter turtle]

V7

easily

if you're on PC

download a mod to give it a scope

and enjoy

[idle dirge]

If I use vraks I'll need as much rending as possible, cause damn

[radiant plank]

You don't use it vs carapace

[bitter turtle]

you dont shoot crushers with it, you hit breakpoints to oneshot ragers/gunners

and honestly

in a pinch

you can shoot crushers anyway

you get a lot of crit in the build for it

its like

not good

but it can kill them lol

[idle dirge]

Fair enough

[bitter turtle]

you can pick up the two 10% rending notes under marksman and middle tree too if you really want to

it lets you 3shot crushers with crits

which isnt too hard with deadshot + surgical

not amazing though still

you have to wait like half a second per shot

to reliably crit

for maulers, you just shoot their body, it deletes them pretty fast tbh

even if you're not getting the finesse bonuses from hiting a weakpoint, they're pretty soft and squishy there

[zinc surge]

for mk12 chainaxe is it:

manic - unyielding
bloodletter - thunderous/headtaker

[tall torrent]

Helbore lasguns
Vraks mk7 headhunter autogun

[junior needle]

They seemed pretty fast for heavies to me, but it's been awhile since I used it. Original shovel also works for pure horizontal heavies too.

[marsh condor]

Is it just me or did they remove Surgical from Kantrael Lasguns? Idk why I feel like that.

[junior needle]

I don't think infantry lasguns ever had surgical

[tall torrent]

It never had surgical

It has headhunter

[marsh condor]

Weird.

Dunno why I "remember" that

[bitter turtle]

spooky mandela effect

👻

[marsh condor]

Anyway

Reposting

[versed merlin]

i just got this as gift from the emperor. it had scattershot 1 and unarmoured perk

im never doubting his gifts ever again

[zinc surge]

the emporer rewards the faithful

or those who spend thousends and thousends of plasteel

[marsh condor]

Who thinks Graia Infantry Autogun should get a buff?

[flint garden]

how do i get big E to gift me power cycler 4

[zinc surge]

#veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

Damn that’s a great agripinaa shotgun

[bitter turtle]

why

its good

[marsh condor]

I mean, I compared it with the Columnus Autogun

[bitter turtle]

it doe sless damage in exchange for better stability/recoil and effective range

its a fair tradeoff

[knotty kayak]

You have to upgrade power swords to orange, I remember it only took me like ~35 ish swords to make

🥹

[hollow ibex]

I just waited for milk

[tall torrent]

It’s good
Columnus is just a bit too strong rn, but Graia is not bad

[marsh condor]

It's mostly the ammo problem for me.

[flint garden]

thats what im doing rn

[bitter turtle]

graia still deletes anyhting anyway

just slightly less fast than colu

you still get like 1.6k on crushers at least with mine

lol

[tall torrent]

People like to overlook the importance of practical accuracy

And Graia is much much more reliable than Columnus for mid-long range

[knotty kayak]

You should get it in less than 50 swords for sure

[marsh condor]

...okay, fair point.

[hollow ibex]

Doesn’t colum have damage drop off too?

[knotty kayak]

The people who try 100's of times only upgrade to blue and give up

[tall torrent]

For example
Consignment yard final arena you got sniper spawns overlooking the entire area

[knotty kayak]

Upgrading to blue gives lesser chance for rarer t4 blessings

[marsh condor]

I still feel like the ammo is it's main flaw, sort of.

[tall torrent]

Columnus really struggles to take them down at those long ranges

Graia u can just beam them no problem

[marsh condor]

Beam?

[tall torrent]

My bad

Graia u can just easily kill them with almost no effort

Because it has much lower recoil

[marsh condor]

Hm...

[tall torrent]

Also against reapers and gunners at longer ranges Graia has a better time hitting consistent headshots

[marsh condor]

Okay.

Fair enuff

[tall torrent]

Columnus is gonna bodyshot a lot more in those ranges

Columnus does have absurd dps at close range but that’s its niche

[bitter turtle]

tbh

ive started using graia more than colu

and i have both rolled p well

[tall torrent]

Same here

[bitter turtle]

but sometimes its just a pain to do super long range shots on colu lol

even w/ crouch

like you CAN but still

[tall torrent]

Part of my reason is that Columnus will likely catch a nerf at some point but Graia is unlikely to get nerfed

It’s just a good all-rounder that does everything I need it to do

So I might as well get used to a more balanced gun

[bitter turtle]

agri loses a bit too much dps on carapace for me to prefer

but graia only loses a little

its a good happy medium

[tall torrent]

Yea agripinaa struggles against tankier targets

It’s better against normal human targets with better breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

i know =some agri players run deadshot since it huffs less stamina that way and makes up for the weaker carapace

[tall torrent]

And it gets the least value out of dum dum

[bitter turtle]

deadshot colu is pretty meme

[tall torrent]

Dum dum needs 7 shots to reach max stacks

So on agripinaa you only really get 27~29 fully buffed shots depending on ammo roll

Columnus gets around 50

[bitter turtle]

but deadshot agri kinda works

[tall torrent]

Graia gets around 47

I think Agripinaa also needs the most point investment

Because you have to grab 30% weakpoint to get its shooter 1 tap headshot breakpoints

Then deadshot or not, depending if u want crit chains

[bitter turtle]

i run 30% weakpoint on all 3 tbf

[tall torrent]

I just go left & middle tree now

But stripped down + duck & dive is too funny to pass up for me

[thorn yoke]

Sprinting straight at a group of gunners is pretty awesome

[serene sage]

shut the fuck up shitty teammates, im just doing what is needed to win T5 games

[swift ingot]

This is what my plasma looks like rn

[versed merlin]

bro

thats criminal

[wooden lotus]

mines v similar

feels good

feels melty

[swift ingot]

I will be devastated if this set doesn’t drop along side the actual Melta

[scarlet timber]

i think all guns should get buffs. kill more heretics. kill all the heretics. all the time.

[golden nacelle]

what perks you guys like on a chain sword?

[swift ingot]

Flak and maniac

[golden nacelle]

work. if you had to pick between those?

[umbral scaffold]

i pick maniac exclusively for ragers

[golden nacelle]

makes sense

[random tulip]

For vet class

[umbral scaffold]

how the naked one is scarier than the armor one makes no sense but we ball

[random tulip]

i feel like i have a good build for folks

[gilded lynx]

Which one to use? Left PS6 has PCIII with better stats but Right PS6 has PCIV with less Damage

[shell ginkgo]

The right.

[midnight mortar]

Well, both are somewhat non-ideal in a way. You'd be better off extracting the PC4.

[shell ginkgo]

I'd rather PCIV over the stat difference.

[midnight mortar]

And just building a better Psword while using the leftover one for the interim.

The dump stat on power swords is cleave targets.

Low finesse isn't good since you want it for better weakspot damage and attack speed if nothing else.

[civic knot]

What to change on this?

[fierce steeple]

where yall finding these leaks

[flint garden]

i hate qp hab dreyko

[fierce steeple]

that scion helmet looks dope. hopefully we get them in the near future

[golden nacelle]

Thoughts?

[swift ingot]

Left is beautiful

[golden nacelle]

That's my third option

[gilded lynx]

I've thought the same thing but all my PS6s have been bricked by Hadron

[golden nacelle]

I like the attack pattern of the mk IV a little better I think, but maybe I could get used to the XIIIg

any strong feelings in the crowd between the two chainsword marks?

[versed merlin]

i dont like chainswords in general, but i still prefer the old one

[gilded wraith]

is No Respite worth taking on a headhunter?

[frozen meadow]

Suguyama what js your profile picture of

[versed merlin]

no

[tame lichen]

Ive been playing a lot more zealot, but it definitely feels like vet is still stronger when it comes to melee

[halcyon zephyr]

the strongest character in Berserk

[tame lichen]

outside of boss mob damage

[versed merlin]

its a chimimoryo from a berserk manga panel

[wintry copper]

What do people look for on a weapon specialist build Revolver?

[versed merlin]

i was googling its name cause i forgot wtf this thing was called

[halcyon zephyr]

Snozz I think

[midnight mortar]

Having PC4 in your stickerbook means one less thing to need to farm for. So rather than upgrading weapons to blessing farm, you're solely spending plasteel on good weapon rolls.

It's your choice of course, but having the option and a permanent PC4 rather than hoping to roll one later always struck me as a better deal.

[shadow aurora]

Whatre you guys talking about thats a snot squig

Clearly

[manic glacier]

Blessings available are SS lll, DS ll, Shred ll and Bloodletter l

Limited to this before I roll a better one

[versed merlin]

no, he's the god that controls the godhand

but hey

wanna see something cool

get ready

[forest scaffold]

I like the new shovel

seems pretty good.

Haven't used the special on it yet, but there's no reason to cause the only oneshot bp it nets me is on scab machinegunners. Death sentence glue animation otherwise

[wicked gate]

anyone know a good way to finish make every shot count

[wintry copper]

Can anyone help me with a revolver build? I don’t know the blessings I should get

[radiant plank]

New or old revolver?

[radiant plank]

Bring either a plasma gun, a revolver or a shotgun (personally had best experience with the revolver) unload in hordes, don't take survivalist. Good luck

[forest scaffold]

kantrael shotgun

only use the fire rounds

as soon as you run out of ammo, don't use the gun again

boom, match complete

[wintry copper]

How different are they that they need seperate builds?

[forest scaffold]

they use the same exact build

well

talent tree

flak, maniac, handcannon, and then second blessing is uh

[wintry copper]

I'm just trying to get any revolver. I have a Shotgun/Sword Specialist build that's fun and I wanna get a Revolver that'd go well with it.

[forest scaffold]

I dunno

I'd still go with surgical tbh

[radiant plank]

Surgical for old and crucian for new usually

[forest scaffold]

it'll help with bosses/ogryns

while you just fan everything else

[wintry copper]

I have a lot of Zarona MK IIas

[radiant plank]

Imo they're very different in playstyle. Old revolver (zarona) basically handles like a sniper rifle, new (Agrippina) is for close to mid range

[wintry copper]

So that's what I've got to build with

[wintry copper]

Gotcha

So for the Zarona what should I focus on?

Blessings, modifiers, all that

Also thanks for helping me

[radiant plank]

Imo flak maniac for perks, handcannon surgical for blessings

[wintry copper]

Thanks!!!

[potent lichen]

Thoughts on Mk4 Chaxe vs Mk12? I feel like the Mk4 has the better moveset, with the lights for cutting down specialists fast, wide heavies for crowds, the overhead rev attack for big boys, and the wide push attack.

I tried asking in the Zealot chat but they're discussing dark visual novels instead >.>

[tall torrent]

I much prefer mk12 over mk4

[radiant plank]

I also prefer the mk4 but the mk12 heavies are very nice. Comes out fast and the verticality makes it very easy to use

[tall torrent]

Safer combo (light & push atk) for mass elites

The push atk’s stab comes out very fast and is easier to hit heads for me

[tall torrent]

And I find the light atks more intuitive for horde clear
Mk4’s heavy combo for hordes can sometimes get interrupted which is pretty annoying

And feels bad without 10% atk speed node

[potent lichen]

I just felt like the light attacks didn't have enough cleave to really deal with a crowd

[tall torrent]

I think mk4 is probably better for zealot? But mk12 is probably better for vet

I’m running kantrael 9 shotgun with flechette, on top of getting both nade regen talents with tinkerer & frags

[potent lichen]

I should clarify I am playing Zealot

[serene sage]

sir this is wendy's vet chat

[potent lichen]

As I said

[tall torrent]

Probably go with 4 then
20% atk speed from fury + 10% atk speed node

Makes mk4’s heavy combo way more bearable

Plus u get TRBW so you can’t get interrupted out of charging heavies

[vagrant zodiac]

cara or flak for a plasma?

[potent lichen]

I just wish I had the Mk4 moveset on the Evis. The Mk2 Evis has an awkward moveset

[golden nacelle]

Mk III vs Mk VII headhunter?

[tall torrent]

Aim for both gunner & both flamer headshot 1 tap breakpoints first, if u can get those, then go carapace imo

[tall torrent]

Mk3 is basically burst infantry autogun
Mk7 is a back line sniper

[vagrant zodiac]

Will try, ty

[versed merlin]

is it next week that we'll get cosmetics rotation?

[golden nacelle]

yeah, I find most games dont really have time for back line sniping

[tall torrent]

I think so

[vagrant zodiac]

Is cara only really for crushers?

[tall torrent]

Next Thursday

[potent lichen]

Mauler heads

[tall torrent]

Scab mauler (head)
Crusher (everything)
Both bulwarks & reapers wear bits of carapace armor on their arms, but you generally just aim for head or torso on them

[vagrant zodiac]

Weird, I'm hitting the head in psyk and it's showing as flak for mauler

[viral nacelle]

Mk7 is very based

[tall torrent]

That’s a bug for plasma

[vagrant zodiac]

Ah okay, thanks for all the help guys

[viral nacelle]

You can bonk crusher good with the mk7 headbonker

It’s like an m1 garand and an AMR had sex

[radiant plank]

Vraks 7 my beloved

[viral nacelle]

And then got high watching space ghost coast to coast so they named their kid vraks

[versed merlin]

mk7

jk i hate vraks

[viral nacelle]

They meant to write brack but when you’re high you fuck up

[wicked gate]

can u do the make every shot count on the bosses?

[versed merlin]

i actually like it, but im bad with it so i hate it

[vagrant zodiac]

6 plasteel off for bless

[tall torrent]

U can do it in any mission as long as it’s heresy or higher

[wicked gate]

ok

[viral nacelle]

There’s a phrase for this but I’m having trouble putting a finger on it

[potent lichen]

Do I even need TWBS if I'm using Punishment?

[viral nacelle]

Sounds like smill smissue?

[cobalt rover]

I got a question about a shotgun

[versed merlin]

[viral nacelle]

Something like that

[versed merlin]

i know

i got too used to revolver and agri shotty

[cobalt rover]

what perk should I change for infested

[versed merlin]

getting into vraks feels like a downgrade

[viral nacelle]

Once you get into the groove of our lord and savior vraks7 you realize it’s a better revolver

[tall torrent]

Actually yea forgot abt that one, u can prob go for more useful stuff then

[potent lichen]

Awesome that means I don't have to scrounge up 4 points then XD

[viral nacelle]

You get revolver tier firepower without having to spend half an hour finger banging the chamber until you get to shoot again

[versed merlin]

i should keep trying them

til i git gud with it

do vraks need exec stance to perform gud?

[tall torrent]

Vraks7 is nice but it’s one of the hardest guns to roll for

[versed merlin]

why

stopping power and stability?

[tall torrent]

You must have surgical + deadly accurate, high rolls on damage, stopping power & stability, and u need specific perks for maximum 1 taps

Ur aiming to 1 tap both gunners & flamers

[versed merlin]

what perks?

this is all i got 🥹

[viral nacelle]

I’m about to say some heresy here but I’m ok with not perfect weapons

[versed merlin]

i swapped to unarmored to one shot gunners

[tall torrent]

I’d say check if u can reach gunner breakpoints with 10% elite + 15% elite + 30% weakpoint

Non-Crit

[viral nacelle]

I use vraks7 with dead shot and avoid exec stance cuz I think it’s pretty bad

[versed merlin]

why?

[tall torrent]

Deadshot on v7 is basically a given tbh

[viral nacelle]

But I have a kinda wacky build

[versed merlin]

id go for stealth but its damn too far away

(assuming im going for maksman focus)

[tall torrent]

The other main issue with v7 is that it’s very very left side heavy

[versed merlin]

cause thats the only reliable way i found to deal decent damage to crushers

[tall torrent]

You really do want 30% weakpoint + suppression immunity + deadshot, on top of the 15% elite and stamina regen delay reduction

[versed merlin]

this is what im going to try

[tall torrent]

I don’t think u need this route

[versed merlin]

longshot and shredder nade

[tall torrent]

Marksman keystone doesn’t help it that much

You’re just getting overkill dmg

[versed merlin]

but it deals significant damage to crushers

i aint running kraks

i hate that grenade

[viral nacelle]

this is what i use https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9ae82470-6c00-4b46-9e7e-a9b64a9cb7af

[tall torrent]

Get 10% rending in the middle and 20% Ogryn dmg

[viral nacelle]

ive been running it in auric damn and feel like its pretty solid

[potent lichen]

Damn, I still can't decide on a melee weapon for my stealth vet.

[tall torrent]

That’s way more dmg than the keystone would provide

[versed merlin]

oh really?

kk going to give it a go

[tall torrent]

Mk12 chainaxe, thunderous + bloodletter

[viral nacelle]

basically vet keystones are poo so i avoid them and pick up all the good damage perks

[versed merlin]

wait, elite + ogryn dmg stacks when hitting crushers?

[tall torrent]

Flank around, rev atk every elite, watch them all bleed to death

[viral nacelle]

ive also got a grenadier build that honestly fucks pretty hard

[versed merlin]

big based omega chad catachan enjoyer

[potent lichen]

I'll see if I can get bloodletter

[tall torrent]

10% rending and Ogryn/monster dmg helps a lot for HHauto

[viral nacelle]

when you learn the way of the parry it is god tier

[tall torrent]

Left keystone is really not as big of a dmg increase as I’d hoped

Full 10 stacks is +75% finesse dmg

Essentially +75% weakpoint & +75% crit dmg

[versed merlin]

the weakpoint sounds big tho

[tall torrent]

Well, due to how this game calculates weakpoint dmg bonus, it’s not as high as u’d hope

[versed merlin]

i used to think crit dmg was gud until someone told me the same thing and made me check the maths

[tall torrent]

If a weapon does 50 normal, 100 on weakpoint (2x bonus)
And you add 30% weakpoint to that
The dmg would be 100 + (100-50)x30% = 115 (+15% dmg on weakpoint)

Most weapons do not have 2x weakpoint modifiers

So in practice it’s gonna be lower

Typically only around 7-8%

Maybe even less

[versed merlin]

that sucks

[viral nacelle]

all the keystones are bad

or just annoying

the tag one drives me batty

[versed merlin]

i like the right one

its prob my favorite

actually

the only one i really like

[tall torrent]

Middle & right keystones both good

I use middle just for dmg boost

Left is niche

But left has several really good nodes for relatively cheap cost

[versed merlin]

so if i manage to one shot gunners without crit, what perks should i look for on vraks?

cara/flak?

[viral nacelle]

they give you situational benefits while stealing points you could use for constant bonuses 🤷‍♀️

[tall torrent]

How situational

Middle keystone is basically +4~8% (usually 8%) dmg on all elites, specialists and bosses, potentially up to 20% if you somehow had time to build stacks up

That 8% dmg helps several weapons reach important breakpoints

Right keystone feeds your gun crit chance (great for shotguns & revolver), and the atk speed & dodge bonuses are especially great for melee even though dmg isn’t necessarily increased

[viral nacelle]

If you tag literally everything

[tall torrent]

Just naturally tag stuff that you’re shooting at, not that difficult

[viral nacelle]

Tedious tho

And there are perks that give quite a lot of damage as an alternative

[tall torrent]

15% elite? Yea I already take that

20% Ogryn/monster? Yea I also take that

[south garnet]

Each keystone is usable given certain builds, but they still suffer from being a relatively steep investment for little gain relative to spending more points throughout branches to round out and strengthen a functional build

[tall torrent]

10% rending? Really weapon dependent

[viral nacelle]

But you can’t also grab all the good stuff in right tree

[viral nacelle]

Exactly

They eat points like crazy

[tall torrent]

Which ones

[scenic bronze]

Damn trappers evolving, they serpetined me

[tall torrent]

10% atk speed is great
Stamina regen delay reduction is great
Duck & dive is great
Desperado is good if you’re going into melee vet

[viral nacelle]

All characters are melee characters

[tall torrent]

Yes and the reality is getting a breakpoint to 3 hit an enemy is going to kill them faster than hitting faster but needing 4 hits to kill

Not to mention the one shot kill weapons that really do care about breakpoints

If I had a bunch of extra points leftover I would spend into right

[viral nacelle]

I’m doubtful that tagging trait is worth the point invest vs getting right and mid

And it’s also tedious

So I don’t use it

I’m also not the kind of person who maths games

It works well in auric damn/mael to avoid keystones for me so 🤷‍♀️

[tall torrent]

I used to really play middle & right tree a lot
But now I’m playing mostly middle & left with 10% melee dmg on top right

[viral nacelle]

I tried that for a while and kept abandoning more and more left tree

Shooting gooder is ok until you’re getting raw dogged by a bunch of melee you didn’t spot was behind you 😂

This happens to me lmao

[tall torrent]

Do u go for the 10% melee dmg node

Cuz that’s one of the strongest nodes for vet melee

[viral nacelle]

For the emprah?

[tall torrent]

No

Top right, above the move speed aura

[viral nacelle]

Oh that one is hard to pick up tbh

If you want survivalist

Which I usually do

[south garnet]

The people who do math it out generally do so with steady state analysis anyway which doesn't represent matches well anyway. Great example of this the other day was born leader being touted as great if you just take every regen/replen node and hit 3 specials with every attack and shout at 0 toughness and and etc.
Some breakpoint math is helpful but outside of that most the theory craft at least in here is half-assed and sterile, assuming singular playstyles, bizarre metrics for combat effectiveness, on and on

[tall torrent]

Yea I’m not doing math outside of breakpoints

I just care about being efficient with my weapons

[viral nacelle]

I don’t think breakpoints matter tbh

There’s so much incidental damage flying around

But I fully admit to being lazy on this topic 🤷‍♀️

[tall torrent]

It matters enough for me to care but if you’ve got a team that does a lot of cleave dmg around it probably matters less

Cuz cleave just spreads enough dmg around to change those breakpoints

[potent lichen]

I ran a mission with the Mk12 chaxe and damn I was not enjoying it

[tall torrent]

Lemme guess, struggled fighting ragers? Happened to me too when I first picked it up

[potent lichen]

100%

[south garnet]

True, although at least the white room scenario of simple damage vs. Uninjured enemy is something likely to appear with at least some regularity during a match. Whether or not it's truly beneficial outside of ammo economy, so long as you're finishing your auric maels, is a matter of (mostly) conjecture - even the various scoreboards out there give only a piece of the larger puzzle

[potent lichen]

Couldn't duel a rager

[tall torrent]

I think it really benefits from thunderous + bloodletter so u can kill stuff in way less hits and just move around

Headtaker + slaughterer didn’t work nearly as good for me

[radiant chasm]

back off, rev heavy

[south garnet]

I love thunderous and bloodletter on it

[radiant chasm]

that sucks for horde clear tho

[tall torrent]

Cuz no matter how much u try it’s just not going to horde clear as good as vet’s other melees

[radiant chasm]

which is what you awnt peeled off you as vet

[tall torrent]

It does, which is why I pair it with kantrael shotgun and tinkered frags with both regen talents

[south garnet]

Frags are hate, frags are death

Die. Weep. Hate

[tall torrent]

Hold a choke point with horde and just blast them with scattershot + flechette, using fire rounds

[south garnet]

(just reverse any white girl slogan and it becomes a 40k quote)

[tall torrent]

DoT kills them all (including both bruisers) before they’ll even reach u

If elites come through, drop 2 frags

Watch them all bleed to death

Bring the right tool for the right scenario and don’t count on 1 weapon doing everything for u

Cuz that’s not why u bring a chainaxe

[potent lichen]

I'm using a revolver, so having some horde clear is important on my melee

[tall torrent]

Yea I personally wouldn’t go for anti-armor ranged guns if I was using chainaxe on vet

[potent lichen]

I can't get the feel of the kant shotty, just feels a little awkward

Whereas revolver I feel works perfectly with weapon specialist. Loads a couple bullets, bang bang, back to swinging

[south garnet]

Lights aren't bad for horde clear on the nuchaxe with thunderous, they're not quick like a PS but anything they don't kill they ragdoll around or stagger long enough for the next hit

Mixed gets more complicated but it's manageable with practice

[tall torrent]

Here’s a tip for u
The burn stacks applied are based on how many pellets you hit on enemies
When you ADS, you have a higher minimum-pellet-hit-count than hipfire, so the strat is to just exclusively spam fire shots while holding ADS down

[wicked gate]

i hate make every shot count, im doing the twins boss fight, and it doesnt work

im focusong on the minions

[tall torrent]

Hold ads
Load special, shoot, repeat

It skips the “pump” animation on loading special shell

[potent lichen]

I think I'd just overall prefer a horde clear melee and use my revolver for harder/ranged targets

[tall torrent]

With fire DoT and scattershot activating flechette you have a very respectable DoT effect on everything that’s not carapace

[tall torrent]

Prob go power sword / combat axe then

[potent lichen]

Power sword is so ass without cycler

I'll give Antax a go then

[tall torrent]

Combat axes are also atrociously difficult to roll

U need unarmored, BM and headtaker

[potent lichen]

I at least have a "decent" one with brutal/headtaker

[tall torrent]

I think Antax might need more melee dmg talents than Rashad due to not having finesse modifier

Rashad just needs 10% melee + 30% weakpoint + unarmored to reach optimal breakpoints (both bruisers 1 tap)

Antax might need 5% melee on top of that?

[south garnet]

Fair, in that case Dclaw mk 4 is a great horde clear tool and parry is incredible for ragers (and everything else)

[tall torrent]

DC4 is very general purpose yea

I would use it
If hadron didn’t brick 40 of my DC swords

[south garnet]

Plus easy to pull and instaparry, fast swap is good for trading back and forth between volver without having to activate special or windup via hits for headtaker or etc.

[hollow ibex]

love muh dclaw, the only real weakness it has is against carapace

[south garnet]

True, you may have to dance awhile with crushers although parry works there too

[tall torrent]

It’s not bad against carapace, it just takes a lot longer to kill them than I’d like to

But it’s amazing for ragers

[south garnet]

Not ideal but in practice you'd try to make space then deal with them via revolver in this instance

[tiny summit]

just had one of my smoothest auric histg

368 highest dmg taken

[tall torrent]

I still don’t know why DC swords must have 10 blessings and half of them are irrelevant

Like what kind of person would want hammer blow or thunderstrike on DC swords

[south garnet]

Man I feel that way about almost every weapon, some worse than others to your point, but, man

[tall torrent]

It’s the worst on DC swords I feel cuz half the blessings literally do not fit its intended purpose

All 3 axe families, at least every blessing is useful for something

[south garnet]

True, I'm trying to think of another weapon that has it as bad

[tall torrent]

Even if the meta is very clearly defined for those axes

[tall torrent]

Yea, headhunter autogun lmao

The only 3 good blessings are headhunter, surgical and deadly accurate

All other 6 are irrelevant

[south garnet]

Oh right, yea for real. And really it's only the 2 because who isn't gonna take headhunter instead of surgical on a dmr

FATSHAAAAARK

Do violent urges count as player engagement? I guess

Run and gun on psyker staves is lol

[tall torrent]

Point given for funny

[south garnet]

Oh wicked terrifying barrage on purgatus

[tall torrent]

Terrifying barrage wouldn’t be as bad
If suppression applied to more than ranged enemies

[serene sage]

i swear there is less damage in the game

like the average this patch is really low

even though there is not any changes to my build

[forest scaffold]

well

it applies to all of them but shotgunners

oh and reapers

oh and snipers

But yeah, Dreg/Scab Shotgunner, Reaper, Sniper are all immune to suppression

[tall torrent]

if it could suppress shotgunners I think it would be a lot more valuable

reaper and sniper don't rly matter much anyway

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, that's really the biggest killer for me.

[tall torrent]

u almost always kill them far away

[forest scaffold]

It does nothing to shotgunners or bruisers

Which just makes that whole blessing incredibly pointless

[tall torrent]

If it actually suppressed shotgunners, it’ll prob be a top tier blessing for braced autoguns tbh

[wicked gate]

IM GONNA DIE

this make every shot count

sucks

ass

[forest scaffold]

use the kantrael shotgun

[wicked gate]

i have been

[forest scaffold]

only use the fire rounds

[serene sage]

it's okay we are all going to die

[forest scaffold]

and just keep grinding

[tall torrent]

I mean at least you’re getting valuable experience on how to not die as melee vet

[forest scaffold]

You know

that's my biggest complaint with vet

Fine, he grew on me after carnival pt2 and the re-re-re-rework on his tree

He has power

I just hate how stupidly squishy he is without VoC or Ironwill

[austere mica]

I like Vet because Plasma

[forest scaffold]

sure, you CAN keep toughness up with Confirmed Kill or Exhilirating Takedown

but god damn fatshark

please normalize this fuck's survivability

[austere mica]

And I don’t like anyone else as much

[tall torrent]

Ngl
I suggest u try a build with CK + O4B with tinkered frags + both nade regen talents

It’s very point heavy and you won’t have as many other good stuff as u want

But the toughness regen is crazy

[ionic gulch]

heyo! Got a random silly question for a toughness sharing build I've been noodling away at: Clever ways to chip away at my toughness without getting health damage beyond overheating plasma guns and intentionally early timed parry?

[serene sage]

out for blood makes melee really comfy

[forest scaffold]

or

save the points

and take power sword

5% per kill doesn't really matter when you oneshot 6 enemies per swing every time

[serene sage]

good news for you, Born Leader now works even at full toughness
bad news for you, Born Leader is almost never worth it

[ionic gulch]

oh when did that patch in?

[tall torrent]

O4B is 3.5% for every kill u get

[forest scaffold]

yeah

[ionic gulch]

it's for a total gimmick build, but surprisingly works well

[forest scaffold]

but 5% is baseline

[serene sage]

this patch. this explicitly stated that

[tall torrent]

Ranged kills
Bleed kills, everything

[ionic gulch]

oh fantastic

[forest scaffold]

The reason you use O4B is make that 8.5%

but with powersword

8.5% or 5% doesn't matter

cause you oneshot 6 things per swing anyway

[old quail]

wrong u take it so u can farm toughness with frag grenades everyone knows this

cmon

[serene sage]

litearlly what we said above

[tall torrent]

I take it to have frags refill my toughness lol

It’s so funny with frags

[forest scaffold]

I use the swap swap talent

that gives me 20% back for swapping weapons

[old quail]

well actually i ledge people to get the toughness

ascended strategies

[forest scaffold]

I'm so glad I know you josho

otherwise I'd have to eat a remington barrel

[old quail]

lmfao

[serene sage]

does it taste any good?

[forest scaffold]

I dunno

I know josho

so its still in the closet

[south garnet]

Speak for yourself pal

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/fartsoundeffect-gif-24726595

[old quail]

the based combo is ET + o4b brauto

shoot head height into a horde

regen toughness

[forest scaffold]

I don't think I've ever used O4b

[old quail]

i take it on all my melee builds

[forest scaffold]

Exhi takedown is more than enough

especially with plasma gun

headshot 100 groaners

get 500% toughness back

rinse and repeat

[tall torrent]

O4B pathing is also nice

COD->CK is still safer though in my experience

[south garnet]

My bolter build stacks o4b, et and ck plus tinker frags lol

[tall torrent]

But CK+O4B is a different kind of unkillable

[trim breach]

this worth getting?

[tall torrent]

Usable

[south garnet]

Replace gloryhunter and sprint but yea

[tall torrent]

I think gloryhunter is good

I’d prob swap crucian to hand cannon

[forest scaffold]

I dunno, these are the two vet builds I usually use

I don't have trouble with regenerating toughness

just that without iron will up, whoops there goes all your HP cause everything does full damage

[south garnet]

Gloryhunter is good yea, I personally rarely take toughness regen blessings but it's not bad

I usually take iron will just because it's along the center tree dip for ogryn/monstro but I don't mind playing without it

[potent lichen]

Damn, I ran with bm/hh Antax and shredded

[tall torrent]

At least I think rn vet’s tree is fairly balanced in what you can & can’t get

[trim breach]

hadron heard I needed handcannon and just gave it to me

[tall torrent]

There’s good reason to take bottom left, bottom middle and bottom right

[south garnet]

Yep, I don't m8nd heavily optional keystones either

[tall torrent]

Not the old “left tree is meh”

[potent lichen]

Emperor gave me a max rank antax as a reward... but...

🤮

[south garnet]

Ouch

I would not be using that

[trim breach]

will this setup do?

[potent lichen]

Yeah that's an instant sell from me on that axe

[tall torrent]

It works
But u can definitely get better rolls than that

[south garnet]

I just count rewards as extra dockets anyway, if there's a blessing to salvage cool

One extra spin at brunts stupidass shitty slot machine

[forest scaffold]

its JUST mobility and reload speed

which are functionally pointless on revolver

especially with weapon specialist removing the need to interact with reloading at all

that's a perfect revolver

well

crucian roulette sucks

[tall torrent]

Oh I mean flak isn’t the best thing for revolver

[forest scaffold]

but whatever, still great

[tall torrent]

Maniac hits better breakpoints I think?

[forest scaffold]

Flak gets you non-crit oneshots on the shotgunner and machinegunner

and yeah, I'd drop carapace for maniac

just bring a melee weapon that can deal with crushers

chainsword, chainaxe, power sword, combat axe