veteran-class

[fathom edge]

basically yeah

horde weapons sometimes its flak unarmored

could also go cara instead of maniac on some things

[opal loom]

arrg fekking RNG.

I think I can work with this one. Need to keep rolling until I find a T4 Gets Hot to scavenge the blessing from.

Plasma gun is still uncharged -> charged shot to double tap bulwarks?

Any other tips/tricks I should know?

[uncut acorn]

Anyone have an Update Recon Build?

[wanton dawn]

You don't need to charge ever 🤷

[bitter turtle]

You mean tree or blessings/perks

[opal loom]

oh

.....neat d('-')

What build are you guys running post patch 15?

[bitter turtle]

Blessings/perks is dumdum+firefrenzy and flaniac

[wanton dawn]

#1158835044006232215 message

[opal loom]

left side keystone looks....terrible ._.'

[bitter turtle]

Ya pick a new gun

[uncut acorn]

Lol

[bitter turtle]

Not even kidding, every vet gun is p good now except the recons

[mystic belfry]

It’s actually very strong with the right setup, just annoying

[bitter turtle]

6d is just a shitty Columnus IAG now

[mystic belfry]

Machine pistol isn’t bad, but idk when I’d ever choose it

[bitter turtle]

It's still decent at least

[opal loom]

Thanks, but why no Longshot? Isn't it free damage?

[bitter turtle]

Not like recon which is iag but with 1/3rd the maniac dmg

[wanton dawn]

I don't pick anything unreliable

[opal loom]

ah

[bitter turtle]

Longshot tends to max out only on targets you don't need it for like snipers

[junior needle]

61% stopping power
rip breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

I only pick it on specific guns

[opal loom]

How high do I need it for the breakpoint/

.-.

[viscid marlin]

Las pistol, ghost/infernus or ghost/dumdum?

[uncut acorn]

I've been stuck on my col iag so if you have a better build for it I'm willing to try it.

[mystic belfry]

Dumdum

[viscid marlin]

word

[bitter turtle]

Like tree?

[shell berry]

Gloryhunter is good

[bitter turtle]

I can give you a tree just tell me if you're willing to do deadshot

[bright coyote]

wont lie ive been using the build u posted and wow it fucks. i was using weapons specialist instead of focus target till i copied u

[bitter turtle]

It adds around 500 dps on crushers

[uncut acorn]

Yeah cause I'm not editing mine beyond upgrading dumdum to 3 or 4 when I get it.

[bitter turtle]

But you chug stam

[junior needle]

Dumdum is more value for regular mobs, but infernus can be more value for bosses/ogryns. Infernus uniquely enables taking onslaught in the tree and freeing up the need to get other rending nodes.

[opal loom]

is it worth missing out on Gets Hot though?

[junior needle]

Nope

nor blaze away

[uncut acorn]

That's what I currently use on IAG so that works

[wanton dawn]

I tried a weapon specialist version but the middle road feels way more consistent

[opal loom]

That's kind of unfortunate. There's decent blessings but they get outclassed so it's not worth running

[viscid marlin]

You don't normally take onslaught with it already?

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/2a66788faa0dca62afc2928b322a12d6.png

[bright coyote]

I'm definitely gonna start making builds with consistency as #1 priority yk

[bitter turtle]

this is my tree w/ deadshot

[shell berry]

It's literally fine. Sidegrade imo. You trade the crit for survivability.

[junior needle]

I haven't seen most take onslaught with a laspistol/infantry las, you normally kill things in 1-3 headshots.

[bitter turtle]

you can drop duck n' dive and deadshot if you dont want to run it

desperado can be dropped if your melee doesnt need it as well

im using knife so i need it

[shell berry]

Gets hot and Blaze Away are the best, but that plasma gun is great, you can fuck with that. It fucks

[junior grail]

Anyone run builds other than VoC? Seems all my builds use it

[viscid marlin]

Ah, i was more taking it for ragers/maulers/crushers but that works. Why does infernus enable it though? Do fire ticks proc onslaught or something that i dont know?

[viscid marlin]

That is my exact tree for my mk1

[mystic belfry]

Columnus with executioner stance and marksman is crazy strong

[junior needle]

Yes, all dots hit and apply onslaught stacks

[uncut acorn]

Will try it when home.

[viscid marlin]

Ooo shit i didn't know that..

[wanton dawn]

VoC is both the most meta and the most supportive one so ...🤷

[junior needle]

Rending also counters damage falloff from range

And laspistol is a short range oriented weapon

So you have an added benefit there

[mystic belfry]

Fire dot is also not effected by range

[junior grail]

Laspistol... "short ranged"

[junior needle]

It has strong short-weak long damage falloff

Of course it's very stable and accurate

But it does get weaker at range

[cerulean grail]

Which one do you guys take for Plasma? Marksman’s Focus or Weapons Specialist?

[wanton dawn]

Taking exec stance is a huge survability sacrifice for not so great damage output. Infiltrate works but VoC is way cheaper point wise

Also better node around it

[mystic belfry]

Weapons specialist hands down

[viscid marlin]

^

no contest

[wanton dawn]

For plasma ? Focus target (soz)

[velvet glen]

Ah thx, so rend stacking is the way to go? Never seem to be doing the nuts damage, with it the vets in my auric run seem to be doing, thought, that there was some hidden spice, that they might have been using^^

[junior needle]

Don't use the gun myself, but I hear you want ideally at least 78/78 stopping power/damage

and 71-73% charge rate due to strange mechanics

[bitter turtle]

columnus has a very fast fire rate

so yes you want onslaught

[wanton dawn]

Hey guys I have an idea: let's call one keystone focus and the other keystone focus

[junior needle]

Aim for the head, IAG's have huge headshot damage

[bitter turtle]

rending strikes is not strictly necessary but I pick it up just b/c I want other things on the mid tree

and yes

aim for heads

i have no problems take top dmg on all my runs usually with it

its a very all purpose gun so its suited for racking up high dmg on the scoreboard

[junior needle]

Of course the body shot damage is good too

but headshotting like doubles your dps

[velvet glen]

What's the idea behind the deadshot spice with IAG? Aren't you immediately out of stamina?

[bitter turtle]

with one +3 stamina curio perk it eats up around 60-70% stamina for me to drop a crusher

but

it does do like +500 dps during it lol

jumps from 2k to 2.5k

honestly

i dont like using it personally though

cause i fucking sprint everywhere

so i dont

i included it cause they said they wanted deadshot

its a huge dps gain if you do use it though

if you dont like it, just drop Deadshot + Duck and Dive

you dont really need duck and dive thene ither

its just to help fuel deadshot

[velvet glen]

Would going for left keystone with a deadshot IAG be worth it?

[bitter turtle]

it might be to get both of the stamina delay removal nodes

to go deep left

i havent tried it though

[opal loom]

fire too OP, instant destruction of toughness Q_Q

[bitter turtle]

you can drop recip too, forgot to mention

i only take it for knife

might as well keep duck and dive then

i think its really good in general but it depends on how up close and personal you get in general I guess

[junior needle]

Probably lose too much going down that tree compared to elsewhere, the stuff there isn't that great

At least if you aren't using a lasgun

[bitter turtle]

yeah

that shocktrooper/suppresion removal line sucks

[junior grail]

There's an obvious difference. One makes you focus on your target while the other targets for you to focus. And one is marksman focus so kill the target where the other focus target has a marked man to kill.

...why do my ears smell of copper?

[junior needle]

You generally don't need suppression immunity on automatics

[bitter turtle]

and you still have to dip in middle just to get tac awareness too

[junior needle]

Very helpful for semi autos though

[bitter turtle]

which means you're stretche dacross all 3 trees

https://i.gyazo.com/c9266647a7a6b4db75d1079d2ce55ee8.png

you can just barely make it to the keystone though

give it a try I guess

you can compare the dmg numbers to see if its worth

[mint raft]

what to change here?
besides pox for carapace

[mystic belfry]

All of it, honestly

[mellow grove]

blessings are tanked hard lmao

[mystic belfry]

I guess melee damage for flak and bloodthirsty for anti-horde

Rampage or something

[mellow grove]

hadron strikes again

[mystic belfry]

It’ll be usable tbh

Just not what it could be

[mint raft]

After I do a few kg of coke I'll try my hand again at rolling for a better cs

[placid portal]

ngl melee vet builds feel off without that trench drill imo

[mint raft]

it was already an ordeal to find a decent base for the cs

tbf I'm not doing melee vet, it'll be CS+Recon/Kantrel mkIV

[flint garden]

rip 15% trench drill

[bitter turtle]

Don't you love the gear treadmill :^)

IDK why they nerfed that one

[sharp ember]

i'm surprised they haven't touched bloodthirsty all this time, with how little it brings despite the cool concept

[bitter turtle]

We didn't get the attack speed back anywhere

[flint garden]

weapon specialist technically

but like its not 100%

[sharp ember]

old trench was 20% right

[bitter turtle]

15

[flint garden]

yeah 15

[sharp ember]

oh so its 10 trench and 15 weapon specialist now

guessing they aren't additive

[mint raft]

I mean my current melee is this so it's an upgrade

[frank ledge]

80% mobility, unusuable

[sharp ember]

pretty solid, sunder has been popular lately for crusher hordes

[idle carbon]

for this, I could probably swap out supercharge for power cycler, and horde enemies for something like flak or maniac?

[fathom edge]

COME ON

[idle carbon]

I see nothing wrong with that PS

[fathom edge]

yet another failed craft

im farming for cycler 4

[idle carbon]

well, keep that sword in your back pocket, it's perfectly functional

[fathom edge]

ive been through 20+ PSs now and nothing

[mint raft]

I have no idea what blessings are good, but does cycler 4 change something?

[fathom edge]

+1 special charge

[flint garden]

2+ instead of 1

[idle carbon]

read the desc, you get extra energized strikes

PC4 basically triples your bang for buck per special use

[fathom edge]

going from 2 hits to 3 seems pretty huge

here i thought the 380 might finally be the one

alas

[mint raft]

ah I see

[idle carbon]

that mk6 sword might not have PC4, but you can swap out PC3 for 4 and weak spot dmg for something else, and boom you have a decent sword

[hollow solstice]

my god..

[placid portal]

lol

[mint raft]

what

[idle carbon]

gotta love EWC shop randoms

[fathom edge]

these are just the ones ive kept

[trail topaz]

man turns out columnus and deadshot dont mix all that well

atleast with my monke brain

[idle carbon]

dunno the stats on those, but if they're decent, you do you

[placid portal]

stack 3 Stamina curios

[mint raft]

hmmmm

[trail topaz]

i have 1 +3 but i still almost got gonked

[placid portal]

So have 3

[mint raft]

thinking if I should canibalise it or not

[trail topaz]

man why didnt i think of that

[idle carbon]

you can always craft it up and see where it goes

[placid portal]

with 3 stam curios you get like 15 stamina bars

[karmic musk]

Seems most Vet migrated to Ogryn, considering how much they're spamming their guns nowadays

[placid portal]

columnus has 5 base but 6 with +1

[placid portal]

intriguing

[fathom edge]

mk7 stubber feels super good right now

[flint garden]

rashad betta so yeah

[fathom edge]

with the change they made, no longer burst fire, no fire delay

[karmic musk]

Gone are the days where an Ogryn in front meant you could fire freely

Just look up and see 5 bruisers infront of you, meanwhile the Ogryn reloading behind you

[bitter turtle]

I'm always ready to run if ppl pull a lot

I ain't making a stand and dying

[karmic musk]

No problem, I'm the Ogryn now with mah Power Sword

[sharp ember]

my favorite ogryn stubber, now even better

[fathom edge]

i want them all to be like that

[bitter turtle]

You don't have to use it if you hate it

You still get 2k dps on carapace without it

It's good enough

I don't use it because monge brain holds down sprint key 😔

I put the two points into crit chance and +1 grenades for more shredder frags anyway

[astral blade]

when ya better than the randoms in your mission and have the skills and scoreboard to back it up

but the randoms still talk shit

[wanton dawn]

I cannot take seriously any scoreboard with score on

[placid portal]

Scoreboard don't tell alot of things tbh

[empty heron]

buy pswords and upgrade the lowest rated ones to blue for blessing fishing. That way you save a lot of plasteel

[wanton dawn]

The damage extension is great

[placid portal]

that is true

[fathom edge]

yeah ive done about 10 to full, and another 15 or so to blues

[placid portal]

you learn how you deal damage in game

[idle carbon]

y'all need overproof's scoreboard, it's great
just install it and turn off all the regular scoreboard stuff
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/241

[sharp ember]

normal sniveler behavior to make comments instead of being a gameplay god who only communicates through nodding their camera and crouch spam

[bold sierra]

[empty heron]

jesus. And still no cycler 4?

That's brutal

[fathom edge]

ive put all my resources into it basically for 2 weeks now and still nothing

[karmic musk]

Wheres my overall score? The one that tells me I'm better and you're shit?

[astral blade]

this looks allot better

[idle carbon]

I beg to differ

[sharp ember]

first scoreboard that isn't a total eyesore for me to view

[mystic belfry]

Does your scoreboard track how much toughness you generate for allies

[placid portal]

overboard does seem to have better detail but default definitely has some things that makes no sense

[idle carbon]

such as? not trying to be critical, more curious

[placid portal]

the team score and defense specifically

your point modifier goes crazy when pressing buttons or blocking

[idle carbon]

oh, overproof has specifically said that his scoreboard isn't design with the base score system in mind

it's silly anyway

[astral blade]

still those to make shit worse my teammates to had the cheek to say i was dogshit

[placid portal]

Agreed

[wanton dawn]

All score should be deactivated anyway

[placid portal]

Overproof seems better

[stone birch]

scoreboards rob enjoyment from the game from me and I leave them off.

[idle carbon]

I just want raw numbers baby, and overproof gives it to me in spades

[mystic belfry]

I like to see how much damage I did and what I killed

[bitter turtle]

I think some defense stats can be relevant like stagger

[mystic belfry]

But it’s missing data like supporting the team

[karmic musk]

So turn off everything in default score?

[bitter turtle]

But ya i turn most of it off

[mystic belfry]

Block is super relevant if you use parry

[wanton dawn]

[bitter turtle]

Is block relevant

[astral blade]

what should i keep on in terms of scoreboard?

[idle carbon]

ya, I turned off all the stuff under Plugins except Forge Materials and Ammo (as Bullet Amount, because beeg number)

[bitter turtle]

Wouldn't parry be counted under your dmg anyway

[placid portal]

block somehow bumps score like crazy for some reason

[bitter turtle]

With your counterattack

I don't see how blocking supports team

[placid portal]

Agreed

[bitter turtle]

Staggering a ton does tho

[mystic belfry]

Vermintide brain

[bitter turtle]

Like if a psyker zaps everything that should be credited as doing something

Cause their dmg will be low

[fathom edge]

stagger

it counts as

[karmic musk]

We need brand-new L4D technology, num of times you saved a teammate from getting hit

[idle carbon]

funny, you should theoretically be able to track that since the game does report (on a local level anyway) the backstab sound

[astral blade]

seriously what should i disable in terms of scoreboard?

[wanton dawn]

the score

[idle carbon]

#veteran-class message

[karmic musk]

wew classic, load into a disaster map, ult and naded everything to revive the Ogryn
Plot twist: He was busy typing some insult so he got netted after revive

[idle carbon]

if you're using ovenproof anyway

[karmic musk]

[mystic belfry]

Vermintide has a blessing that activated when you save an ally

[wanton dawn]

Team score, defense score, offensive score, global score >>> in the trashbin. It is noise

[mystic belfry]

So it’s either in this game or easily addable to track that

[astral blade]

i am using it now

[empty heron]

I did exactly this once. Except it was 2 trappers and the Ogryn got chain-netted 3 times. I raughed

[astral blade]

so what exactly should i turn off in terms of scoreboard?

since i now have ovenproof's scoreboard

[idle carbon]

go to the F4 menu, go to regular Scoreboard, find the Plugins header, and turn everything off
personally I keep on Forge Materials and Ammo

[gleaming turtle]

Every game I see like this, I am so tempted to actually play my Psyker just to get the million kill penance out of the way

[idle carbon]

you don't need to touch anything in the F4 menu for Overproof's Scoreboard

[astral blade]

still those hate people who talk shit and say that they are better make things worse it was a bloody console player

[sharp epoch]

why take ovenproof over regular one

[idle carbon]

it gives a lot more granular details on your damage

just compare the two

[zealous wyvern]

i miss the simple vt2 scoreboard

a little fun thing to look at

kills deaths blocked bosses

easy

[midnight patrol]

Hold on guys. I never knew that right tree reloaded shotguns so reliably too

[placid portal]

🍹

yep

It's that easy

[midnight patrol]

I'm watching folk just go ham with PS's then shotgun like Doom Guy

[placid portal]

Buck shot bleed shotgun

[midnight patrol]

This would make my lawbringer even better than it is lol

Its perfect for saying 'no u' to Ragers, or Kickback levels horde clear when I need breathing room

Gotta build around this now.

[placid portal]

Good luck pal

[midnight patrol]

The question now is. Which ability to pair with? VoC sounds like it would make the most sense if I'm running melee Vet?

[placid portal]

Oh yea Flechette plus Crit Cleave blessing for best effect

[idle carbon]

it's kind of funny since IIRC manstopper just gives all your pellets infinite cleave

on a kantrael you slap them with both bleed and burn for extra fun on special crits

[placid portal]

Manstopper + Flechette and make your shotgun a mini shredder grenade

[marsh condor]

Which Recon Lasgun is better

The Mk2 (green), the Mk2a (brown) or the Mk2d (cyan)?

[midnight mortar]

They're all pretty equally poor.

The MkVId has the highest fire rate.

All of them have greater than 8 seconds TTK against mutants at optimal ranges.

And 4-5 seconds TTK against ragers.

[wise hill]

VoC is universally good. But melee vet would shine with infiltrate cause of all the close dmg buffs

But if u want VoC it really isn’t a bad option

[marsh condor]

I just have the thought of Recon Lasguns with Shock Trooper

[midnight mortar]

You are 2 patches too late for that, sadly.

Patch 13 was when the Recons had their 3 weeks in the sun.

[bitter turtle]

You pick a different gun

I suggest the columnus iag if you want to play a similar gun that doesn't suck

[marsh condor]

Currently broke.

[idle carbon]

you're a couple patches too late to take advantage of that with recon 7d shenanigans lol

[bitter turtle]

Shock trooper was nerfed for recons btw

[marsh condor]

Aw...

[bitter turtle]

Only refunds the first shot in a crit string

Columnus is pretty cheap to build to the point where it's workable tbh

[marsh condor]

Broke in Plasteel.

AND can't play so often.

[bitter turtle]

Ya I know, I mean an imperfect Columnus still works well

[marsh condor]

I'm still waiting for a shop where we can trade the Diamantine for Plasteel.

[bitter turtle]

It's not like knife or helbore where you must have x or y blessing or it's shit

[astral blade]

this would be nice to have

[bitter turtle]

10000 diamantine for 1 plasteel pls enjoy

[junior needle]

(It was only the 6d, the 7a was still mediocre and the 2 was still dogshit with abysmal dps)

[bitter turtle]

At that point just delete diamantine lol

[marsh condor]

How good is Infernus?

[astral blade]

do not recommend using

[astral blade]

once apon time it was good on the recon lasgun

[junior needle]

They're all dogshit or low tier currently, I wouldn't advise wasting materials on crafting them. They're supposedly due for a rework down the line according to a playtester, but who knows when that will be.

If you absolutely cannot be persuaded otherwise, then the 6d is your best bet (it's not a 2d). It requires a particular setup and talent taxes, but you can get acceptable dps on it. However its baseline ammo usage is abysmal and the entire line suffered massively from multiple undocumented nerfs recently.

Headhunter blessing and either infernus or the bugged dumdum (if it gets fixed then don't use it). Perks are crit chance and an extra damage blessing of your choice. What's good on them now may not be what's good on the supposedly upcoming rework however.

2 and 7a (not 2a) just have too low dps to consider using them in high difficulty.

[frank ledge]

Version control, what's that

[junior needle]

Generally very mediocre even in best use cases. Mostly ogryn/boss damage and onslaught (talent) stacking. Recons were the best users of it, but they're in the dumpster currently and had their crit strings gutted across the board. It's acceptable on laspistol but has less value on softer targets than on recons.

[midnight mortar]

I wouldn't hold your breath on that one. That ratio is critical to Fatshark's estimated average player engagement numbers.

[bold sierra]

0 plasteel

[marsh condor]

6000+ Diamantine

[midnight mortar]

Archaeotech lost to the sands of time. A relic unknown to Fatshark's offices. 🤣

[bold sierra]

Btw whats the diff between mk 3 and mk 6 powersword

Ive been using mk 3, havent messed with 6 at all

[hollow turtle]

I tend to forget I own this...
Screw it.. Let's confuse the Xbox players..

[bitter turtle]

I still get better numbers with infernus over dumdum on recon fwiw

Have two recons with both

Paired with HH ofc

Similar gun stats for comparison as well

[forest scaffold]

mk6 is better due to attack animations

that's it

Horizontal>Horizontal>Diagonal

Light 1>Light 2>Light 3

and Fatshark normalized the damage done between energized light attacks and heavy attacks

which made the mk3 power sword worse in every way to the mk6

[junior needle]

If you're using it mostly at range then it's not surprising, it works like a gradual damage falloff the farther you are away from the target. Something about using a code for a zealot talent.

Infernus also stacks onslaught because burn so you know, more damage that way too.

[bitter turtle]

Does mk3 have the charge block cancel stab thing

[forest scaffold]

I don't believe so

[bitter turtle]

Nah I tested at 5m away

[midnight mortar]

Both can energize while blocking.

[forest scaffold]

Think that was a mk6 specific change because fatshark "Intended it to be a finesse weapon"

[bitter turtle]

In meatgrinder

[forest scaffold]

While giving it the best alpha damage on a melee weapon in the game, thunder hammer aside

[junior needle]

What target?

[bitter turtle]

Even at close range I got better dps on crushers with inferno

[forest scaffold]

and gave it power cycler

[bitter turtle]

Crushers

[forest scaffold]

and gave it the best melee attack animations I've seen in a tide game

[junior needle]

Well yeah, you're stacking onslaught faster and crushers are a hard target with a larger health pool. Infernus excels against larger health pool enemies.

[bitter turtle]

And yeah then Idk the point of mk3 then

[bold sierra]

can I do light light push light light to reset the horizontal attack chain? or is it diagonal after push too

[bitter turtle]

The block stab is too gud

[forest scaffold]

The diagonal just doesn't matter

if you're THAT worried about it

run power cycler 3 instead of PC4

[bold sierra]

oh ok

I will when I get it

[forest scaffold]

But uh

just always use all three energized attacks

on the mk6 power sword

throwing away 800 damage because it isn't perfectly horizontal is stupid

[bitter turtle]

The diagonal has decent enough coverage anyway

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, same angle as the combat axes

which proc brutal momentum fine on the diagonal

I don't even find the stab combo particularly useful on the mk6, speaking of. Its neat on crushers, but that's about it.

Better served just spamming the blatantly overpowered energized light attacks

[bold sierra]

kinda sucks then cause I got this roll on an mk 3

[cerulean grail]

So what do you guys take with Plasma gun? Exec/Shout/Infil? What Keystone? Marksman’s Focus or Weapons Specialist?

[bold sierra]

I like weapons specialist cause you can whip it out with the crit rate and dome a crusher

[cerulean grail]

Gotcha. What else?

Shout/Exec Stance?

[bold sierra]

I prefer shout

I don't really like executioner stance on slower firing weapons

except revolver

its funny on revolver

[cerulean grail]

Most Vet mains seem to prefer Shout on Plasma, Idk why

[bold sierra]

main reason I would use exec stance is for the highlighted targets, to be honest

and I can't really shoot all those targets as fast as I'd like with plasma

[cerulean grail]

Vet tree needs a pruning, now, to get rid of extra nodes, and roll those nodes INTO existing nodes

[bold sierra]

most the time when I need to shoot something with plasma I knowit's there

[floral lichen]

Great for spotting sniper with exes stance

[bold sierra]

yeah but when there's say, 4 snipers, I can't shoot those all at once with plasma (typically)

I can with revolver though

[midnight mortar]

Likely because plasma doesn't let you clear away fodder all that quickly when they close into melee and shout gives you the breathing room to use plasma in a pinch.

[bold sierra]

that makes sense too

especially when you have dog waves

[cerulean grail]

Not to mention, going Weapons Specialist gives you enough of a melee viability to clear trash reliably. Alright I’m sold. I like Weapons Specialist myself and this just sold me even further

[floral lichen]

I been switching to using the shotgun with the duckbill round instead of plasma

[stark trench]

I use exec on my plasma build, with shooters highlight, then it's just aim->delete all the snipers and gunners

[bold sierra]

yeah ranged specialist for the partial reload is really nice too

[floral lichen]

Especially on the new map at the final.

Snipers are annoying on that part with all of the sight lines

[crude wind]

what mod is this?

[wanton dawn]

Mk3 can charge while sprinting

[astral blade]

for the drip

[crude wind]

nice

ty

[astral blade]

darktide modders discord

its located in

[midnight mortar]

Among other things, it doesn't experience slowdown in the energizing animation while the mk6 does.

[frank ledge]

They should nerf psword

[grave cargo]

Were these nerfs really necessary

[scarlet smelt]

What's the difference between mk3 and mk4 power swords?

[grave cargo]

Confirmed kill got dumpstered along with close quarters

It’s pretty sad

Two of his actually good talents getting turned into “ok” and then a lot of them just outright becoming bad like

Wew

Oh but it’s okay they improved fire team by 2%

[frank ledge]

twinned blast buff too

for all 4 users

[grave cargo]

I wouldn’t take that if it was 50%

[delicate moat]

mk4 doesn't exist yet

[grave cargo]

For kraks, it’s never worth it

For smokes it’s also never worth it

[frank ledge]

What do u mena

I get double smoke now

double the utility

20% of the time

[grave cargo]

Frags sorta get extra value but not much

[frank ledge]

in a very off angle

[delicate moat]

[grave cargo]

Fuck it I wouldn’t take it if it was 100%

It just doesn’t really do much

I guess it would bring back kraks to pre nerf boss damage just about

And basically mean 1 grenade clears a horde but eh

[hollow turtle]

I've never used Covering Fire, but I'm guessing it must be good with the Autoguns.

[grave cargo]

Still not that good zealot and ogryn can just do that

It’s not very good no

[midnight mortar]

#veteran-class message

[delicate moat]

i dont find cover fire very good

[midnight mortar]

The mk3 has diagonal lights and horizontal heavies. The mk6 has horiztonal lights for the first two attacks and the heavies are diagonals.

[hollow turtle]

That's a shame. Would've wanted to give it a try.

[delicate moat]

isn't cover fire when teammates are within melee distance of enemy?

[grave cargo]

The buff doesn’t last very long and enemies need to be right next to your teammates

[hollow turtle]

Yeah. Basically you're blasting a horde while they're in melee.

[grave cargo]

15% sounds like a lot but in practice

[delicate moat]

at that point, wouldn't teammates do melee?

[grave cargo]

Your guy is at 100% toughness or 0%

If he’s in melee he’s either dying instantly to the 13 ragers on his ass or calmly killing poxwalkers

[hollow turtle]

Currently I'm just wondering what to spend this 1 spare point I have on.

[grave cargo]

It does something

So if you’re just trying to find a point go for it

[delicate moat]

what tree u running?

[grave cargo]

But don’t build around it

[hollow turtle]

More on the ranged side. Exe stance

[grave cargo]

Especially since the best option for protecting someone in melee is to hop in melee yourself

Throwing in shoves and cleaving enemies will help your teammate much more than magdumping poxwalkers

[hollow turtle]

If I had 3 points, I'd go for the Tactical Awareness

[delicate moat]

exec stance really needs threat reduction imo

[hollow turtle]

Get some infinite exe stance going in the darkness.

[delicate moat]

there's always at least one annoying poxwalker disturbing u from the back

[hollow turtle]

or some stupid trapper

[delicate moat]

through the stair case and a wall

[bold sierra]

what the fuck

[hollow turtle]

Well, we did have exe stance with low profile for a while, but FS decided we can't have that and implemented the tree system. Not that I'm complaining.

Yo wtf is that.

It's still shit due to the stopping power.

[bold sierra]

yeah

wtf

[hollow turtle]

but dayum

[bold sierra]

imagine if it were just

not stopping power that were 40%

[hollow turtle]

Man that would be chef's kiss

[delicate moat]

[hollow turtle]

Guaranteed Hadron would fuck you up though.

[bold sierra]

true

[delicate moat]

gotta have that sweet sweet +1.5 stamina

[hollow turtle]

I have one point. I can either spend it on box upgrade, 30% reload on elite kill, or Leave no one behind.

[bold sierra]

box upgrade is nice

unless you have denthead teammates that pick up grimoires

then its not so nice

[hollow turtle]

Lol. Thankfully haven't run into those in a long time.

[grave cargo]

Leave no one behind is a great talent

[hollow turtle]

I have a general feeling that nobody in auric damnation picks those up.

[grave cargo]

But personally I like reload speed

No one picks up grims unless they’re leveling

[hollow turtle]

Same. With exe stance, reload speed might be better.

[grave cargo]

Fatshark seems to have forgotten that

[hollow turtle]

Who the hell is leveling in Auric.

[bold sierra]

why is the shop selling bangers but with the wrong stat allocations

[grave cargo]

That uh, grims were for farming weapons

Grims don’t do that now

So why the fuck would I ever want to pick one up

[bold sierra]

the funny

[hollow turtle]

Honestly, if an auric maelstrom guaranteed a 380, or if general auric missions with books guaranteed it, I would play those a lot more.

[bold sierra]

DUDE

WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE SHOP

[hollow turtle]

That's a pretty good one.

[grave cargo]

Damn I need to hop on the shop if that’s what they’re droppin

[delicate moat]

emprah's brick from AM still gives fucking 30x base rating weapons

like bruh

[hollow turtle]

oh would you look at that. I've been looking for a moderately good HH

[grave cargo]

Collateral is honestly a fine dump stat on Bolter since it’s a headshot weapon now anyways

[bold sierra]

[grave cargo]

Dude are you hacking

How is your shop this good

[bold sierra]

my shop is cursed

his is apparently less cursed

[hollow turtle]

and right below that HH

[bold sierra]

BRH

[hollow turtle]

Eh. That's like my 4th triple 80 VIIa recon

[grave cargo]

That stability hurts

[bold sierra]

what is HAPPENING

[wanton dawn]

I have a 550 chainaxe and boys did i tried to make it work

[bold sierra]

Shopkeeper is trolling the shit out of me

[hollow turtle]

I'm genuinely looking for a T4 Uncanny Strike for knife to make this my first ever 550.

It'll definitely work.

[royal monolith]

actually it will

bleed vet inc

[bold sierra]

surely

[royal monolith]

too bad it has carapace tho

[delicate moat]

i need exhausting takedown to not be bugged

[acoustic wyvern]

combat knife deals nice dmg to carapace heads

heavy of course

[delicate moat]

i want to take it on vraks tree

[hollow turtle]

Just need that bleed talent and it'll proc Mercy Kill 100%

[royal monolith]

challenge just makes it fun

dont you like when your 300 toughness dissapears in one bullet

[hollow turtle]

The carapace is the point. Thing will kill crushers and maulers easily.

[royal monolith]

even without carapace

[bold sierra]

which one does hadron NOT fuck me over w

[delicate moat]

i took ranger scope on vraks into AM mission

it did not help me with survival

[flint lake]

M’sF keystone is busted as hell with the revolver.

[delicate moat]

it turns out not being able to see outside of your scope isn't good for survival

[bold sierra]

[rose cairn]

Slaughterer->BM but is Elite worth keeping or just change it to like maniac or carapace?

[hollow turtle]

Lol this is why I stopped using the 4x scopes after the first time. (Which was a victory still, but sheesh)

[delicate moat]

yeah i won it, but yikes was it an experience

ive been having more crashes and disconnects than ever this patch

happens especially frequently to AM join attempts

[scarlet smelt]

been reading around on google and in the discussion

it doesn't seem like people know definitively it's opinion

[delicate moat]

just use whatever feels nice to u

im trying to roll a better mk3 despite having a very good mk6

[scarlet smelt]

I don't know what feels nicer tbh I'll give 6 a try again

[midnight mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174918929903267840/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.16_-_21.47.31.04.mp4?ex=65695785&is=6556e285&hm=bb24cb37edbabe5c85d8866052cb2eb6911c6eb1b7b330be8c00b71e2ee6124e&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174918931664863282/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.16_-_21.47.08.03.mp4?ex=65695786&is=6556e286&hm=6dec651d803d9cca10535540c8d4a8c97d7fe084051e788aad9a77c98cadc927&
From what I tested, it certainly felt apparent.

The distance traveled is measurable.

I was testing if the attack speeds were different in those videos, but ended up noticing the movement speed delays.

[scarlet smelt]

oh yeah thats a yikes

[sour elbow]

I just realised, the talent for being almost ignored while stationary is going now, right?

[midnight mortar]

That camouflage talent has been gone for a long while.

[hollow turtle]

Yo.. Is this for real right now? I'm about to get this whole kit for free?

[sour elbow]

I've not played for along while. Booo, I took that as a "well I don't care for the others, this will do I guess"

turned out to be the tits

[midnight mortar]

It's a ploy by Tzeentch. Don't trust it.

That has to be a visual bug only.

[hollow turtle]

It sure don't look like one

[midnight mortar]

The fuck???

[hollow turtle]

Is there a giveaway I'm not aware of?

[midnight mortar]

That

has to be a mistake.

[hollow turtle]

Oh fook. Did FS accidentally make this a thing without realizing it?

Better take advantage.

[midnight mortar]

Well, keep those screenshots.

Can always demand a refund I guess.

[sour elbow]

checked on my end, it is not for me

[midnight mortar]

If it turns out to be a lie.

[hollow turtle]

wtf did I do

[midnight mortar]

Are you on gamepass or something?

Is it a regional thing?

[sharp ember]

try restarting your game

[hollow turtle]

Damn it FS

how dare you feed me lies

[sharp ember]

don't wanna accidentally get charged or something if ui error

[hollow turtle]

Lol what are they going to take? The 100 Aquilas I have left? XD

[midnight mortar]

Yeah it doesn't display that price for me. RIP.

[sharp ember]

like gacha games they put you into negative value

and if you don't pay it off in a timely manner you get banned

[midnight mortar]

Don't give Tencent any more ideas for this game.

[sharp ember]

disclaimer: fatshark has not actually done this like gacha games have

[sour elbow]

Exilerating Takedown isn't fixed right?

[hollow turtle]

I'm kind of running a run time dependent crash test so I can't leave game right now.

[dire harness]

Hey there ! I want to do that 90% shooting accuracy 0 ammo left achievement, what weapon do you recommend to do it? Do I need to land all the pelets of a shotgun for accuracy?

[sour elbow]

get mates, do a private game, use a revolver

[midnight mortar]

Plasma, revolver, and shotgun are what I've seen recommended. For shotguns, so long as one pellet lands it counts as a hit.

[sour elbow]

oh, and don't take the ammo aura ofc.

[delicate moat]

do u use DarkCache?

[honest robin]

question what is a good stealth veteran talent tree

like build

[dire harness]

Thanks !

[hollow turtle]

Lol yeah. Its probably that causing it.

I just went into mission and about to load back into mourningstar. Should fix it.

[delicate moat]

it shows a warning msg when u enter premium shop about "free" cosmetics

[hollow turtle]

Ima disable caching on the prem shop

[sour elbow]

man, good blessing. Pity I'm a veteran with immunity to suppression

[languid escarp]

+1 talent point blessing

[fathom grail]

Just don’t get shot at

[sour elbow]

True. I'm hoping for better crits and maybe burning tbh for my 'ideal' gun.

burning help bypass armour on tougher enemies (fuck you maulers)

[languid escarp]

holy shit so I was playing the Melee Specialist maelstrom, and my teammates keep dying

[midnight mortar]

You'd be better off either relying on your melee for the carapace enemies.

[languid escarp]

I died once so I got to spectate and realize without me, the other three struggle with even 2 Crushers

[midnight mortar]

Not sure if the MGIa's bodyshot damage against maulers can bring them down faster than your melee.

[languid escarp]

it's not even damnation Crusher it's only heresy Crushers

[hollow turtle]

Depends on the weapon.

I tend to magdump into at least one, and potentially throw krak at another before even attempting to melee them.

[solemn niche]

rage intensifies

[languid escarp]

this is my Ogryn rumbler build wet dream

[solemn niche]

it was my infiltrate vet nightmare 😄

[languid escarp]

is there a mod that show stagger "health"

[hollow turtle]

You had my hopes up Brunt..

[sour elbow]

this is what really annoys me, one or two you can maybe handle with a heavy attack to stagger, but then it does... that.

[finite imp]

Frag bomb

Gg

[bitter turtle]

🤔

https://i.gyazo.com/3115d74d0064899fb77851a8158adb9e.png

last point for vraks7 tree where

need suggestions

feels like i need 2 points for anything worthwhile

i'd take exhilirating if it wasn't BUGGED

really need them to fix that shit

cause i'd drop CK if it wasn't BUGGED

[old quail]

field improv

[bitter turtle]

but

less crates now

feels badge

i thought about it though

[old quail]

there are still plenty of crates per match

i open p much every yellow box because im on that GRIND

[bitter turtle]

kill zone actualyl lets me hit a breakpoint

on ragers

maniacs

to oneshot

if im at 10 stacks of focus LMAO

seems kinda unreliable though

to be at 10 AND also have no enemies in 8m

and only matters for rager maniacs

i guess improv is the only thing worth taking at all

god

fix exhilirating already

so i can drop CK and save 2 pts and get something else

i could literally get demo team if they fixed that shit

[languid escarp]

the build that works best for me currently is a no keystone plasma gun build that just take the best team support and defensive nodes

[bitter turtle]

marksman is honestly pretty decent for headshot guns

a lot better than what it sounded like w/ everyone memeing on it

way better than mid tree imo

keystone I mean

[scarlet smelt]

Does base damage increase sources affect grenade damage or nah

[bitter turtle]

ya

if you mean like

CQKZ

or the infiltrate buff

[scarlet smelt]

stuff like

Redirect Fire, For The Emperor, Fire Team

(Middle tree vet)

[bitter turtle]

for the emperor i dont think so

its the ones that dont specify a dmg type

[scarlet smelt]

oh right that one's melee and ranged

[bitter turtle]

so redirect fire should

[scarlet smelt]

I see i see

[bitter turtle]

dn ya fire team should

fire team + infiltrate buff + CQKZ + middle keystone

maximum nade

oh

and skirmisher

[scarlet smelt]

krieger what are you doing

Krak.

[bitter turtle]

not enough points 😔

tragics

https://i.gyazo.com/1fcbc90a3e95e845ca8b25f46265a041.png

even if you drop overwatch and grenade regen

still cant reach redirect

truly sadge

[astral blade]

Question just how toxic are players in darktide

[bitter turtle]

most people dont really talk

lol

[clear lark]

varies, ive been called the F slur in some lobbies, had wonderful care bears the other lobbies

[gritty mural]

you usually see the toxic people complain on steam or reddit

[nimble sentinel]

It’s warhammer 40k you’re gonna bump into some really sus people

[astral blade]

Ok well Oceana servers may as well be a toxic waste dumping ground

[old quail]

ur experience will vary wildly depending on person

[round pelican]

Yeah I got over 300 hours and no experience comes to mind for me

[old quail]

its generally not that toxic, having played over 1500 matches the amount that even talk in game besides a "gg" at the end is fairly uncommon

[patent slate]

What’s the best build for veteran rn

[bitter turtle]

i can cuss you out right now if you'd like 👉 👈

[gritty mural]

damnation lobbies rarely have toxicity at most you'll just have a irritated remark once a while

[bitter turtle]

pick a gun first

[patent slate]

Uh

Plasma or column

[bitter turtle]

just dont pick recon

i can give you a colum tree

do you like deadshot

or no

that's the only optional part

[patent slate]

Yes

[nimble sentinel]

Rip recon

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/b08957ba41480918a3ac531d8f633d50.png

last 2 points go wherever

desperado and recip are good if you melee a lot

extra crit + extra grenade are good too

[patent slate]

I heard marksman’s focus goes really good with any automatic gun

[bitter turtle]

i get more dmg going down middle tree, problem is left tree has a lot of shit talents after the first line

lol

[old quail]

i really like marksman's focus with agri shotgun

[bitter turtle]

like first line is great (deadshot, precision)

then you pick

[astral blade]

No need to cuss me out my guy I’m just curious that’s all because last game I had before I got off literally a fellow vet told the psyker to stop spamming lightening and than proceeded to be racist towards that psyker

[bitter turtle]

wow suppression immunity (literally useless) cause shocktrooper lmao

then ammo + which is useless b/c column already has great economy

stam delay is nice I guess on the next line

elite dmg is good but at that point you had to pick 3 lines of crap

[old quail]

suppression immunity is nice because its fun (some weapons don't need it because they have very high in-built suppression resistance)

or literally cannot ads anyways

[bitter turtle]

you can try it if and see if you prefer though

its nice on single shots

column definitely does not need it

[astral blade]

So yeah that’s that I guess

[patent slate]

Marksman’s focus seems whack though

[bitter turtle]

its not as bad as it sounds if you can aim

[patent slate]

Sometimes I headshot an enemy and I don’t get the stacks

[bitter turtle]

you dont get stacks on headshots

you get stacks on headshot kills

[patent slate]

Headshot kills

Sort

Sorry

[bitter turtle]

i recommend taking camo as a talent as well

er

[astral blade]

What does the colum need?

[bitter turtle]

as in camoflauge!

the talent

since standing still building stacks is nice

[bitter turtle]

suppression immunity I meant

i didnt mean it was generically terrible for all guns

and i realized it sounded like that

its just not useful for columnus

[patent slate]

Marksman’s focus still sounds dogwater

And if you do the math

Your only getting like 20 extra damage

But u have to be a csgo awper

[astral blade]

The colum is a CQB to mid range gun anyways

[bitter turtle]

i get a pretty significant increase on vraks7 for marksman focus

[empty heron]

Very curious about that math

[patent slate]

I meant for the column

[astral blade]

Also yes I only use my melee as a last resort

[bitter turtle]

it can do well enough at long range if you crouch

[patent slate]

For other guns yes but like

Still shitty

[bitter turtle]

its a very all purpose gun

[pastel geode]

Did the shop cycle this weekend? haven’t been able to hop on and check

[frank ledge]

Fellow veterans, my testing has shown something new

Smoke grenades are budget camo, enemies prioritize allies outside of the smoke, even melee ones

[bitter turtle]

all the iags are

[empty heron]

ah, like per shot?

[frank ledge]

Just not as reliably as old camo or -90% threat

[bitter turtle]

anyway ya

[patent slate]

But like

[astral blade]

Huh

[bitter turtle]

you have to sac too much to go marksman focus for column

you still want onslaught

so you still ned to dip right

[dire harness]

For that 90% accuracy and 0 ammo left achievement, is it true I can just unload my gun on an ally? :p

[bitter turtle]

and you still want tac awareness

so you still nee dto dip mid

[patent slate]

Imagine seeing a vet standing still to get stacks as the whole team is being slaughtered

[empty heron]

Because Marksman is actually pretty good with revolver. If you can hit your headshots. Potentially one-shots all enemies

[bitter turtle]

just not worth it

[frank ledge]

Throw smoke
Stand still
Sacrifice your DR (because no points)
profit

[patent slate]

I was thinking of using marksman with the Helbore lasguns

[bitter turtle]

ya that's a much better gun for it

[astral blade]

Thats not profit that’s stupidity

[bitter turtle]

i use marksman on v7

its great

[frank ledge]

It'S A DIFFICULTY TWEAK

[empty heron]

Just remember that you actually can move a lot

[bitter turtle]

you lose stacks 1 at a time even when you do lose them

its hardly a big deal as long as you keep hitting headshots

[astral blade]

Smoke nades are fragging useless

[empty heron]

Yup

[empty heron]

@delicate moat ^ Debate?

[frank ledge]

SMoke grenades are mvp

[visual kestrel]

I’m not even using keystones on my plasma build

[frank ledge]

They don't allow enemy fire, outside of snipers

They prevent running attacks

they fuck dog and mutant ai

[midnight mortar]

Gunners and reapers can still fire into them. Not just snipers.

Gunners and reapers just won't track you.

[frank ledge]

Only if you agro them and walk into smoke

[astral blade]

if the enemy is dead they can’t fire back

Common sense

[frank ledge]

If your team can't see the enemy, they don't exist

[empty heron]

Seems like the consensus for most plasma bois. You can make it work with them but I hear most plasma runners run without

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thonk-meme-gif-11987870

[patent slate]

Thank god marksman focus works with everything even poxwalkers

[astral blade]

They still do exist and smoke nades just fuck the team over dummy

[patent slate]

If I only got stacks from elites or something

Shittiest keystone

[bitter turtle]

ya

i always pop a pox if i need to keep it up

[frank ledge]

no
if the enemy isn't marked, it doesn't exist

[bitter turtle]

and there's no elites

hoenstly

its usually barely an issue anyway

if there's no elites and only poxes

[frank ledge]

since only 8 players in the entire game spam ping into low visibility

[bitter turtle]

why are you even shooting

[frank ledge]

enemies majorly don't exist

[bitter turtle]

if its like a helbore lol

[astral blade]

BigJ your logic is flawed I hope you know this bro

[bitter turtle]

and i dont use plasma much but im surprised it doesnt take keystones

might as well go deep into right since its not like you can deadshot

[patent slate]

If plasma could be used on deadshot

Man

[bitter turtle]

would be my guess

but just guessing

[patent slate]

I mean marksman would still work on plasma

[bitter turtle]

plasma has pretty good switch speed too

[astral blade]

The columnus doesn’t require onslaught

[patent slate]

idk why people don’t use it with marksman actually

[bitter turtle]

require, no

i'd use it though

its very good vs crushers

[empty heron]

For crushers I'd say yes.

[bitter turtle]

ofc you can just run a melee to kill them

[astral blade]

Fair

[bitter turtle]

but its nice that your column has the option to kill them

fairly quickly too i might add

i get 2k dps on them

[patent slate]

I just run krak grenades with the grenade replenish talent for crushers

[bitter turtle]

even without deadshot

[empty heron]

But you're good without for all other enemies? Haven't actually tested the difference

[bitter turtle]

yeah you should be fine on most other enemies

it does insane maniac dmg so all those are dead within a second tbh

even mutants

[astral blade]

I mean my columnus can kill crushers quite easily as long as I have them marked and I have the middle keystone that gives a damage output

[frank ledge]

Why run columnus when you can run bolter

and vacuum ammo

lol

knife, bolter meta

the ammo vacuumer

[patent slate]

I’m being honest

Bolter kinda sucks dong

[bitter turtle]

from my test it does a lot less dps

[astral blade]

Columnus can take out multiple gunners in a single mag

[bitter turtle]

its POSSIBLE yes, but you're talking like 1.3k vs 2k

[frank ledge]

You can just spam bolter into gunners

[astral blade]

Bolter is jerky as fuck

[bitter turtle]

that isnt terrible, for reference that's around how fast recons kill them (and they're still decent at that)

just faster with onslaught

[patent slate]

This is the only game I’ve played where I go through 5 stages of rng

[frank ledge]

if u miss who cares

suppresion does the work and u get to melee them

then vacuum ammo

[nimble sentinel]

You can also take a lasgun and click their heads

[vivid ocean]

good plas?

[patent slate]

Yes actually

[vivid ocean]

or do i keep smacking brunt in the head

nice

[patent slate]

Thermal resistance makes the plas weaker tbh

[astral blade]

My guy no offence but players like yourself is the reason why I hate my fellow vets that use the Bolter

[patent slate]

Cause u always wanna manage at 50 heat

For that sweet 50% crit

[astral blade]

Ammo is precious as fuck it is

[patent slate]

That’s actually beautiful

[bitter turtle]

i never have a problem with ammo tbh

[astral blade]

And is the life blood for allot of us vets

[bitter turtle]

sometimes i even shoot my vraks into hordes for the heck of it

[vivid ocean]

i never have a problem with ammo because i dont miss often enough + ammo aura

always ammo aura

[vivid ocean]

move it to mid, its practically a point tax

[bitter turtle]

ya

indirect shredder nade nerf

nah

swap it with movespeed aura

[vivid ocean]

remove smoke and let both nades link to mid

[patent slate]

It’s unfortunate cause that plasma gun now has to go through hadron

[bitter turtle]

now tax everyone who doesnt take smoke

[vivid ocean]

giga brain

[bitter turtle]

:^)

[patent slate]

You could get complete shit blessings

[rain ocean]

So has there been some testing done on the left side of the tree? Is it worth even going with the keystone?

[bitter turtle]

yes

depending on the gun

and your aim

[rain ocean]

Oh shit, tell me about it mate!

[astral blade]

But like I said ammo is basically the life blood for allot of us vets

Is this statement wrong?

[bitter turtle]

vraks 7 is really good with it

[patent slate]

Aim does not matter if you shoot at a horde and aim above the shoulders

[bitter turtle]

you can keep the stacks up forever

[frank ledge]

Currently ur playing solo in pubs

[sterile phoenix]

Kinda wish the revolver was a bolt pistol, would feel less weird using it as a veteran.

[frank ledge]

Everyone else in your "team" will attempt to sabotage the success

[rain ocean]

I would imagine "sniper" weapons would be a good payoff if anything

[bitter turtle]

its also easy to keep up with automatic guns but I find it better to go right +mid for automatics

sniper guns dont benefit from right side much though yeah

so you can go deep left and then pick up tac awareness on mid

[rain ocean]

Aye i kinda been mostly using headshot weapons the most anyway

Except the uh, autogun, whatever it's called now

braced one

[astral blade]

Yeah I’m a solo player I don’t have the luxury to run with a dedicated team because allot of players are I can’t trust to watch my back

[frank ledge]

Never trust pubers

[bitter turtle]

you have to roll with thepunches on pubs

[astral blade]

While in exe stance

[frank ledge]

Exe stance in pubs is a death sentence

infiltration gang

[bitter turtle]

just ran an AM where motherfuckers would run ahead pulling everything while i was trying to clean up the rear lamo

topped dmg in the end

[astral blade]

Mhm hence why I take infiltration instead for pups

[frank ledge]

[astral blade]

Since I’m a solo player

[frank ledge]

Infiltration enjoyers unite

[bitter turtle]

infiltration would be used more if you werent taxed for it

have to go smoke nade or also cant take surv

unless you want to eat a shitton of points

[nimble sentinel]

sceaming at my incompetent pub teammates makes me tough and lets nurgle lie down out of sympathy, voice of command team rise up

[pale lotus]

Heyo did someone say Infiltrate

Love me infiltrate

[frank ledge]

u can untax it a bit by going krak, suffering 1 tax

[astral blade]

Did this instead

[frank ledge]

so u can regen grenades

[mystic belfry]

Yep

[bitter turtle]

then you miss surv

[frank ledge]

and u don't have to deal with dogshit smoke

[bitter turtle]

no wonder wolf runs out of ammo 😔

[frank ledge]

True

MUH MOVEMENT SPEED

[bitter turtle]

uniornically no offense

but that explains why you run otu of ammo lmao

[frank ledge]

I love 5% movement speed

[astral blade]

What I use survivalist

[nimble sentinel]

gotta get back to work but just reminding all you ammo hogs out there shock trooper and Kantrael MG IV still exist

[bitter turtle]

wait how

[plucky linden]

how many targets revolver can penetrate through?

[bitter turtle]

do you like

sac 3 points or something

[frank ledge]

you could use grawrs distribution

[bitter turtle]

i assume you go hard down mid and you dont take onslaught

since you said you use key

[astral blade]

This is my tree for infiltration

[bitter turtle]

and dont use onslaught

so it's rip 3 points

o

[frank ledge]

wait keystone

[frank ledge]

[bitter turtle]

ya

you sac 3 points see

[frank ledge]

RIP

[bitter turtle]

that's pretty rough

no helping it if you like invis i guess

[nimble sentinel]

why not VoC and combat ability curios?

[astral blade]

I do like invis since I can’t trust pubs or LFG teammates

[bitter turtle]

shout is also great for pugs

consider it

its much less painful for you to take