veteran-class

[nimble sentinel]

My pre-14 brain can’t compute that I’m no longer invulnerable when it’s up, RIP agripina brauto

[untold mulch]

T4 shock in my case

[hybrid token]

just popped up at the end of the mission

and i was like

oh

[whole moon]

Pro move 😉

[hearty panther]

Oh ya I remember that day

[untold mulch]

Nice

[hearty panther]

With Chon and ur 6d

[hybrid token]

yeah lmao

exactly that mission

[hearty panther]

Back when everyone called it dogshit

[hybrid token]

i got the penance for 20 consecutive dodges without taking damage to lmao

[zealous wyvern]

i want sleep

[hybrid token]

on that mission

[zealous wyvern]

where is the sleep node

[hearty panther]

Chasm Logistratum

[hybrid token]

yeah chasm lol

[forest maple]

The funniest penance for me was when i instantly killed a chaos spawn just to give everyone the 5 second kill penance

[whole moon]

That dodge one is another I need, just never found the motivation to cheese it

[kind scarab]

You can rest when you are dead

[zealous wyvern]

then send em my way

i have a deathwish

[kind scarab]

Sleep?

[hybrid token]

i realised i was about to get it half way through the final event and that ramped up the stress on me very suddenly lmao

[zealous wyvern]

if that is what it takes

NO hereitcs my way so i can die in battle

[hearty panther]

Lmao ignorance is truly bliss

[languid escarp]

I wish the game would notify me when someone attempt to rescue me

sometimes I just want to watch a youtube video while dead

[hybrid token]

i was like "i dont think ive used a medstation this mission.........oh and ive got full health....hold on a minute"

[hearty panther]

Pay attention >;(

[languid escarp]

no.

[kind scarab]

Yeah, I may be busy alt-tabbed shit talking them for being trash and getting me killed

[hearty panther]

I once clutched for eight fucking minutes on an auric maelstrom just for the first fucker i rez to be completely AFK

[untold mulch]

💀

[hearty panther]

And I made the wrong assumption that he'd pick up at least one other person after I did him

[zealous wyvern]

another tale of treachery

this is our cause

[kind scarab]

Been there, done that

Game needs a better notification for when people are being rezzed

[hearty panther]

Like I get that it's not fun to suddenly be forced to watch a Twitch stream but

[kind scarab]

Cause it can take up to 5m before a mfer starts getting picked up

[hearty panther]

Please

You're still in the game

[hybrid token]

double monitor moment

im just do my knitting when im downed

so quite often

[kind scarab]

How many sweaters have you made by now?

[hearty panther]

me dropping my crack pipe when my camera suddenly relocks onto me for a revive

[kind scarab]

[zealous wyvern]

knitting is good

[hybrid token]

was playing with chon t oday and i almost dropped my potnoodle when i noticed i was being rescued lmao

[zealous wyvern]

i just drink

i used to anyway

[hybrid token]

and getting boiling noodle water down the cleavage is not a good thing

[hearty panther]

Lmfao

[zealous wyvern]

yes it is

[hybrid token]

dont drop boiling water

[zealous wyvern]

it warms your heart

[hearty panther]

"Arrrgh my tittes! For the Emperor!"

[zealous wyvern]

wtf typos

[languid escarp]

that's why I only eat stir fried noodle while gaming

pressed enter pre maturely

[hybrid token]

i knocked over my juice bottle the other day and got like a litre of coke on my keyboard

just glad it didnt go in the top of my pc

there was a few specs of juice on my graphics card but they dodged anything important

[zealous wyvern]

you may want to stop mixing pc and sustinance. you are clumpsy

[hybrid token]

i just have an L shaped desk

[zealous wyvern]

sustinance?

[hybrid token]

so my food and drink is to my side

so i knock stuff over when i turn around

[languid escarp]

don't bottles have caps though

[zealous wyvern]

that will not end well

[hybrid token]

ive ruined two 100 quid keyboards by knocking juice bottles over onto them lmao

[rocky stratus]

skill issue

[whole moon]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Untippable-Insulated-Stainless-Cupholder-Leakproof/dp/B07XKVYGQB this may help

[vagrant narwhal]

Can be knocked over tho

Which is the issue i believe

[kind scarab]

With great effort

[hybrid token]

if it gets slapped by my boobs itll sure as fuck fall over

i just need to turn around less

lmao

stare forward only

[rocky stratus]

yeah just be careful

[whole moon]

Mine creates a vacuum which means even my cack handed arms swinging didn't knock it over. I'm like an uncoordinated gorilla too

[rocky stratus]

or yk move it further back

[vagrant narwhal]

Ah fair enough i typically have a rule of keeping fluids away from PC after a scare knocking over my tea XD

[languid escarp]

my gaming space is a laptop put on a small desk on my bed, it's not great but at least I won't spill anything by turning lmao

[rocky stratus]

i put the drink on the floor

[kind scarab]

Reminds me of my friend, walking into the kitchen a couple of months back. I warn him to be careful, but he just does a 180 and I hear glass break. His massive ass cake factory knocked over a glass lid for a pot while he's in the kitchen

I will never let him live it down

[vagrant narwhal]

Only mishaps I've had in kitchen were ripping fake cabinets out thinking they were drawers

[kind scarab]

That's not a mistake, you did the right thing.

Fake cabinets, and fake pockets shouldn't exist

[vagrant narwhal]

Also in regards to veteran and as to why i came here, bayonets don't proc range specialist do they? Despite the fact they count as melee weapons

[hearty panther]

They do but you have to switch to your gun to proc specialist.

So you'd have to put it away and take it out again

[languid escarp]

Wow thats dumb

Wait so does it proc involuntarily if you kill some with bayonet then get knocked back by lets say Mutant

[hearty panther]

Dunno. Maybe.

[vagrant narwhal]

Jesus hope they change that

Cuz hellbore would actually be decent that way

Or a better pick rather

Because its good but generally its stored more of the time XD

[zealous wyvern]

yes. its switching damage. on swap

it does not matter if you shoot or stab

you are using the helbore, a ranged weapon

so the spec applies to all of it after swapping off your melee weapon

[kind scarab]

Oh shit, a competant team

I haven't seen one before my last game yesterday

Well....

[sleek cairn]

EU is that rough huh

[kind scarab]

presumably competent

[junior needle]

low intensity hunting grounds
You'd have been fine

[frank ledge]

low int should be fine aslong as you don't go past mid at 16 minutes

[zealous wyvern]

new low intensity is probably old default

[frank ledge]

anyone else had a double boss spawn on a regular hi int mission for going too fast?

they even came out together off the same box

[delicate moat]

man ppl in AM really still be shooting bursters

[zealous wyvern]

so that is how it works

interesting

[ruby fulcrum]

in my experience people in the evenings try to lick em so... ill take shooting tbh

[visual horizon]

just tried to use a build with shout revive, kinda ass

[gritty dock]

How do these blessings work and which is better?

• Deathspitter +5-6.5% Power for 3.5s on Close Range Kill.
• Fire Frenzy Gain +7-10% Close Damage for 3.5 seconds after killing an enemy at close range, stacking 5 times.
  The weapon is a Columnus Mk V Infantry Autogun.

[junior needle]

They stack on top of each other, also deathspitter might also stack to 5 as well

[delicate moat]

mlem mlem mlem

[gritty dock]

They work exactly the same at close range, only Fire Frenzy adds more %?

[whole moon]

Dont forget you can also whack DumDum on a Columnus

[gritty dock]

Yes DumDum is very good.

[junior needle]

Deathspitter gives power, which is more stagger, damage, and cleave. So power is strictly better. But ff might also give power now. At least one of them doesn't have an accurate description still.

Yeah dumdum is bugged and gives damage at way longer ranges than it should, something about it using the code for a zealot talent.

[thick kestrel]

how does more cleave from power interact with guns though? it's always seemed a little fuzzy what does and doesn't get it :S

[junior needle]

More cleave>penetrate more and/or thicker targets. Some guns do not penetrate at all by default but will with enough power added.

[rocky stratus]

tabletop accurate bullgryn of my dreams

[delicate moat]

do u spec into melee crit chance for vet shovel?

[whole moon]

I wish the blessings were consistent in their application and values. Call it something else if you wanna change ranges etc

[junior needle]

Typically not, it doesn't have any particular crit synergies.

[plucky agate]

shovel is more of say utility melee, you primarily use it for stunlocking

especially ragers

so not typically built with crit

[thick kestrel]

huh... noted... so something like the Agrippina BRauto has some inherent cleave, but other weapons need additional power to achieve that. do we have an idea on the breakpoints for that kind of thing?

[junior needle]

Crit is very much an all or nothing deal, and especially on melee. Also, for melee it's mostly suited for zealots who have very strong support for it in the tree.

[delicate moat]

im thinking of something like this for shovel/revolvo, not sure if it makes any sense

[languid escarp]

Why would you take stamina restore on melee specialist proc over the melee crit and finesse bonus node ever

[frank ledge]

could ditch stam and go for the extra damage on range or melee crit and finess

otherwise it's exactly what I run

[languid escarp]

Also the crit on dodge node is preferable

You should be spamming dodge in melee anyway

[floral finch]

Think this build would work well with executioner stance? 🤔

Or is that overkill on damage

[delicate moat]

i dont like using exec stance in pubs lul

[frank ledge]

you could argue to go to stam per range attack dodged and deadshot+exe stance

but ye exe stance has issues

pub issues

[languid escarp]

I know for certain the moment I queue using exe stance my team will have three Ogryns

[junior needle]

If you aren't running deadshot then duck/dive isn't terribly useful

[crude wind]

he right

Reciprocity better here

[frank ledge]

may be useful for the niche case of rager spam+gunners

[topaz lance]

and even then with a stam curio I don't need it with revolver honestly

[frank ledge]

on lsword

[languid escarp]

Also the slow immunity on shield break isnt that impactful I think

[crude wind]

ditch onslaught here

[languid escarp]

Take a breathe is better

[crude wind]

shovel doesn't need it with uncanny strike

[kind scarab]

I am happy to say, with a competent team. The shotgun still kicks ass.

[crude wind]

and the melee is better

[kind scarab]

[junior needle]

Yeah onslaught isn't terribly useful with that setup

[languid escarp]

Yeah

[kind scarab]

They weren't able to steal all my kills

I didn't really need to pick up all the ammo I did either, but because they could aim I took ammo anyway.

[junior needle]

I know someone who could fix that

[kind scarab]

Be my guest

Less effort for me to do

Gonna switch things up and grab all of these nodes to see if it's more comfortable using this build that way though

I find that without confirmed kill, I don't get back as much toughness as I'd like

[delicate moat]

because my in game tree node was squished and j read the wrong node lul

[kind scarab]

And I ain't a huge fan of the regen on the bottom left node here

It ain't bad, but it also ain't for me

[willow badger]

Seems like most vets are running focus keystone these days?

[kind scarab]

I run either mid or left tree

I find both to be easy to use without needing to think about it

[languid escarp]

Yeah I really hope they change so it proc on activation, not on enemy death

[willow badger]

I've been running left tree

Is finesse power only applying to weakspot hits or does it apply across the board

[junior needle]

[delicate moat]

now i have 1 free point

but i cant reach anything significantly useful for this

[hearty panther]

Across the board, so crits too

[untold mulch]

crits

[kind scarab]

The reload speed may help me get more kills before my team does

[junior needle]

I think I got time for a couple games

[fleet ferry]

Does Reciprocity affect crit chance for both melee and ranged weapons?

[kind scarab]

I'd offer to join, but imma run off to the bathroom real quixk

Yesterday's food ain't agreeing with my body

[junior needle]

yes

It's general crit chance

[fleet ferry]

Nice, thanks

[delicate moat]

ur food dealt crit to ur stomach

[kind scarab]

100%

[junior needle]

💯

[languid escarp]

This is what I have been running with braced autogun and the big axe (dont remember the name). It doesnt really specialize in anything but I can reasonably deal with gunners and stagger a crusher horde

[sleek cairn]

@delicate moat how r u affording grenadier tinkerer points on smoke

[kind scarab]

I ate way too much spicy deep fried chicken the other day

it killed me today

[sleek cairn]

two point travel. what did u sacrifice lol

[delicate moat]

im not using smoke unfortunately

[junior needle]

combat axe

[delicate moat]

[sleek cairn]

ur name is a lie

[delicate moat]

real

[languid escarp]

Yeah I really like being the support guy just staggering them

While my teammates kill

[sleek cairn]

frag nades then?

[delicate moat]

btw how do u deal with a rager pack with shovel?

[sleek cairn]

frag or smoke ur gonna lose points if u grenade tinkerer

[delicate moat]

i dont need tinkerer on frags

[kind scarab]

You in a match or what?

[sleek cairn]

oh

alright we good

[junior needle]

Nope

[sleek cairn]

I was just wrapping my head around the opportunity cost

[kind scarab]

Wanna go shoot some shit

[junior needle]

Aight

I've claimed strike team 40k

[delicate moat]

imma take this shovel/revolvo build for a ride in pub AM

[robust mirage]

I take it on frags just to trow them left and right, gotta give those bombers a taste of their own medicine

[delicate moat]

and see how fast we wipe

oh nvm its lights out rn, imma just do normal damnation so i can see things

[willow badger]

Columnus iag is goated ngl

[turbid saffron]

throw me some blessing suggestions, quite like the crit one ngl but won't deny better suggestions

[delicate moat]

sus to hand cannon

[empty heron]

Flak to maniac maybe. You're oneshotting everything with flak on headshots anyway

[kind scarab]

^

Exactly that

[turbid saffron]

Ye that sounds accurate

Been very anti Vet from the start but now the new keystone + hand cannon buff really made it fun. Did a single run thus far with this and went really well

#darktide-pics-vids message

[languid escarp]

Does same aura stack

[scenic lance]

No

[empty heron]

Which keystone did you go with?

[turbid saffron]

The rightmost, can't recall the name

[empty heron]

Weapon's Specialist

Ye I can see why it's good

Going to be testing this myself with revolver later today:

[scenic lance]

Why anti vet

[willow badger]

So the whole Schtick with weapon specialist is repeatedly swapping right

[topaz lance]

You cn build this to one shot headshot crit any enemy except monstros btw

[empty heron]

10 melee kills --> 1 Ranged kill - Repeat

to have maximum buffs that is

[willow badger]

Neat

[turbid saffron]

It was the least fun to play, I only enjoyed mk8 braced auto gun pretty much

[willow badger]

I'm conflicted between the left and middle tree rn

[turbid saffron]

Which is pretty fun still

[willow badger]

Lefts been great

[empty heron]

I think a lot of people give left tree a lot of shit because it's a little harder than it used to be

[turbid saffron]

Ye figured as much, I just don't know which blessings the hand cannon has/benefits the most from

[empty heron]

dayum you really like smoke nades

[willow badger]

Honestly I'm staying pretty mobile and still maintaining 10 stacks pretty consistently

[empty heron]

@delicate moat build for you ^

[empty heron]

Exactly.

Just hit headshots

[topaz lance]

deadshot is good

[empty heron]

I can imagine it's a little harder on a controller though

[languid escarp]

I wish the right keystone have a talent that increase swapping speed or the weapon ready animation

[devout maple]

I enjoy playing disruption

[willow badger]

Or not even that. You can just crouch reload behind cover for a few sec and Regen most of your stacks

[topaz lance]

This does it for me with exe stance up
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa06a41-93c9-4c37-8330-1f8453296fac/revolvet-20

[devout maple]

Take the build with a crit csword and revolver

[languid escarp]

Instead we have decrease stamina cost to blocking who tf care about that

[willow badger]

It's good power fantasy with exec stance. Sit back and wipe out the bajillian gunners on the new map

[turbid saffron]

I'll keep that in mind

[willow badger]

With tactical awareness you can keep exec stance running basically continually for every high density fight

[empty heron]

I like your build! I'd personally dab into keystone though

Potentially 22% extra damage and more for every ranged weak spot kill in a burst

[topaz lance]

Yeah, I cannot say no to exe stance though and also not to at least one reload node 😄

[astral blade]

Anything good from commodores ventures?

[topaz lance]

meh in my opinion

[umbral scaffold]

Hadron went a bit too hard on one of the varlets, now this poor servitor has to clean up.

[shell ginkgo]

💀

[sharp ember]

[whole moon]

Servitor saw up her cassock

[untold mulch]

bruh

[umbral scaffold]

, the reactions make it worth doing these edits

[sharp ember]

imagine being turned into to a janitor servitor and they replace half of your organs and brain with mechanical parts

and they still give you a rag and tell you to clean on your knees

[umbral scaffold]

They dont even get rags, Fatshart quality stamp of approval

[shell ginkgo]

Gotta scoop it up with their hands

[umbral scaffold]

Or they have a vacuum put into their hands

[willow badger]

my ultra left tree build with the columnus v

[sharp ember]

you are a strong soul to ignore grenade regen

[forest maple]

How is it

[molten halo]

which melee weps are good after the patch?

[willow badger]

ye i debated grabbing grenade regen vs one of the other perks

but honestly surviving ok with just pickups

[valid apex]

I mean pretty sure revolver is absolutely cracked with middle tree keystone

[sharp ember]

all of them except tactical axe with the right setup, but power sword mk6 is on top right now

[valid apex]

Only thing it didn’t do PERFECTLY was monstrosity and now you can just tag them

[umbral scaffold]

It rewards any big D-amage weapon. Plasma is extra spicy with it.

[molten halo]

thanks i wasnt sure what to invest all my diamantine/plas into

[thick kestrel]

eh, mk7 tactical axe with the lower right side of the tree is reasonably solid... though it does seem to have a bit of a sampling glitch atm where you can attack so quickly it misses on some swings.

[sharp ember]

tactical axe is just lacking that special something something besides dodging

[molten halo]

how does beloved chainsword hold up atm?

[sharp ember]

chainswords are comfortably #2 best in my book

[thick kestrel]

it does have some silly multipliers against specialists though, tactica axes seem to do huge amounts of damage to maniac specials on light swings (1000+)

[willow badger]

even more left hand tree with grenade regen

[molten halo]

oh something that does a lotta dmage on light attack would be cool, can always rev it up for a heavy

[thick kestrel]

not sure how universal those bonuses are mind...

[sharp ember]

chainsword wrecks everything with cleaving swings and revved saws, only weakness is multiple crushers because it can't hold back more than 1

[molten halo]

sounds beastly im gonna invest into one

do people roll weapons with a modifier rating of 400 or more

[sharp ember]

max is baseline 380

[quick burrow]

chain sword very good generalist weapon decent for hordes and taking down elites, its the beer of the weapon world

[sharp ember]

generally a 360-380 is considered good depending on stat distribution

[quick burrow]

u want a weapon thats usually 365+ depending on the stat spread but of course if you get like a 80 dmg 80 shredder 80 finess 60 mob 360 thats fine 2

[fleet drift]

Feel like I can’t play anything other than Plasma anymore

[molten halo]

okay

[fleet drift]

Plasma is so much fun after getting the handle of it

[molten halo]

whats the highest rating you can get then if anyone knows ye

yet

[sharp ember]

looks like something i would run with an infantry autogun

[quick burrow]

544 i think off the top of my head

full tier 4 perks maxed stat tier 4 blessings

[ruby fulcrum]

550

[molten halo]

sweet thanks

[sharp ember]

I took a grenadier build with plasma and exe stance to compensate for my lack of ranged damage commitment and my world opened

[umbral scaffold]

A reliable old plow horse as always

[young sequoia]

that was me before i finally finished my revolver

[quick burrow]

it was slightly nerfed but u dont even notice it

[astral blade]

So i know this ain’t related to the vet chat or anything but I love me some cheese and crackers

Just wanted to throw that out there

[fleet drift]

Can you advice on Revolver dumb stat , Perk and Blessing?

Would love to try revolver as well

[willow badger]

exactly

been running it with the columnus iag

[shell widget]

What about it's chain axe counter part?

[umbral scaffold]

Booty

[quick burrow]

its not booty but its an aquired taste

[umbral scaffold]

It's single target, so all the crowd control is gone

It's ok with big guys, but my infernus laspistol melts them anyways

[quick burrow]

i bet my laspistol is smaller than yours

[umbral scaffold]

It is. 😶

[willow badger]

sadly i've never gotten an infernus drop

[sharp ember]

it's lacking a niche to compensate for its handling

[fleet garden]

chain axe has to be brought up

[shell widget]

Aw

[umbral scaffold]

Caught my first one in sire melk drops, then got tier 3 on the laspistol naturally

[sharp ember]

i wish it melted crushers but it doesn't

[topaz lance]

Dumpstat is mobility, reload speed is ok to be lower too,
hand cannon and surgical
perks depend on your build, carapace and maniac are good if you can hit breakpoints

[willow badger]

All my sire melk drops have been kinda dogwater so haven't bought anything from him

[umbral scaffold]

They usually are I just look for high level blessings to buy

[young sequoia]

dump mobility or reload speed, these blessings, and ideally two damage perks of your choice (carapace, flak, maniac, unyielding)

this is what i got. sadge second perk T-T

[quick burrow]

The veteran of culture weapon set

[umbral scaffold]

I usually do carapace/unyielding

[umbral scaffold]

That damage is rough

[dusk idol]

reload speed still kinda nice

[quick burrow]

i know right haha

[umbral scaffold]

On the laspistol

[quick burrow]

i was trying get tier 4 inf to strip from it

and it was like well might as well hunt for a blessings, it rolled perfectly...i couldnt believe it

[umbral scaffold]

First laspistol I ever bought was a 376 with 77% damage lmaooo

I was about to buy like 20 like I normally do but it just got rolled on me and kept going.

[quick burrow]

i have strange luck with dump stats

[valid apex]

I bet it’s not!

[valid apex]

I think plasma gets more value out of the self reloading of the right tree

There’s a pause in firing for heat and that pause let’s you also reload for free. Pretty dumb

[hollow hinge]

Is the smoke grenade even good?

I use a stealth build, but the empowered frag grenade

[livid warren]

I need whatever build that can take the most hits, I'm trying to stay alive

[hollow hinge]

i was wondering if they buffed it or not

[umbral scaffold]

Don't get hit

[livid warren]

Next

[valid apex]

Use some sort of shout build

[umbral scaffold]

That's the build, if you want damage res you wanna be Ogryn or Zealot

[livid warren]

Thank you thank you@umbral scaffold @valid apex

[valid apex]

Melee vet is quite good now

[willow badger]

Are you trying to melee or something

[valid apex]

It was good before and now it’s better

[delicate moat]

hmm, how is achlys mk8 axe?

[fleet drift]

I think melee Vet is the only vet that got buff

[willow badger]

Or are you getting killed by like ranged enemies

[umbral scaffold]

Melee vet got buffed but I wouldn't call them tanky

[hollow hinge]

yeah I use the stealth, melee perks, and the combat blade

[umbral scaffold]

They just kill/block/dodge faster than the enemy can get a hit in.

[hollow hinge]

its beautiful and very fun

[livid warren]

Id say melee kills me pretty fast

[willow badger]

Are you pretty new to tide melee combat

A lot of it is also just practice with blocks/dodges/positioning

[umbral scaffold]

It's because we don't have the crazy high innate damage res of zealots and Ogryns unless your in coherency with one and they have the buffs.

Even then 5-6 hits tops and your done if you get surrounded that's why the focus is more on moving/blocking/killing.

[young sequoia]

it has its uses (mainly costing fewer points as a stealth vet) ^^ clutch revives, tossing it on your team has a similar effect as a bubble shield, or help your team advance toward a gunner/reaper pack

[umbral scaffold]

It's like a concentrated zealot relic, quick huge toughness buff, knock back and revives

[hollow hinge]

Thank you

[livid warren]

Honestly I thought that the stealth ability would be the most useful, it gives me the most time to reposition and recover.

[kind scarab]

Perfect for a cadian

[umbral scaffold]

It is really useful, just in different ways.

Shout is useful for everyone and can save you in a tight spot though.

[willow badger]

Recover what tho? Toughness?

[young sequoia]

if you're in melee, you can dodge left and right as you're attacking and you'll basically be invincible

[willow badger]

Might as well get vet shout then

[livid warren]

@umbral scaffold I'll have to re evaluate and try it out

[umbral scaffold]

Yepp I don't even block, I just dodge a lot and cut a bloody swath

[finite imp]

hey melk

[willow badger]

I use ps6 so my dodges are dogshit

[finite imp]

im begging you dog

i got like 4k melk bucks

[willow badger]

So it's all block and positioning for me

[young sequoia]

also, dodging backward then immediately crouching will create a lot of distance

[finite imp]

can you please put a single fucking revolver in your store ever

[umbral scaffold]

Side to side controlling a horde of little guys, or bouncing all around a crusher Laspistoling him

[young sequoia]

aye, blocking doesn't kill the enemy

[umbral scaffold]

Get like 6 headshots and hop away while it burns to death lmaoo

[umbral scaffold]

Exactly

No block, only kill

[vagrant narwhal]

Man i am waiting for a good hellbore mk3 damn all of the ones i get from the normal shop have weird stats XD

[umbral scaffold]

Shop were you can get tier 4 blessing on a weapon with like lvl 5 stats lmao

[vagrant narwhal]

Also bleeding was needed this patch? What did they do?

[umbral scaffold]

And it's 3,000 duckets

[vagrant narwhal]

Fr

Its either great stats or great bless XD

[south spindle]

Yes, but also no, you have a limited amount of dodges, an blocking lets you keep up the aggression whilst your dodge count recharges

If you run out of dodges, you get hit anyway

[south spindle]

Not really, just toned down on Unyeilding armour types

[umbral scaffold]

This why you kill before get hit

[south spindle]

In Malice sure, you won't in higher settings

[umbral scaffold]

I play damnation already lmao

[south spindle]

Then you should be blocking, not constantly, but not using them is a fast way to eat hits an die

[umbral scaffold]

No block, only kill.

[karmic musk]

I always do this and then I realise my dodge count is red

[young sequoia]

managing dodge count, positioning, and kill direction is enough for me most of the time

[karmic musk]

Dodge sideways in melee is a good way to gain some distance tho

Like if I need to reach some special a few feet forward

[umbral scaffold]

If you gain enough distance the attacks miss anyways.

[karmic musk]

No I mean you turn sideways and dodge, so you go nearer to that target

Its a burst of speed

[young sequoia]

i do that when I'm reloading lol

NEVER SLOW DOWN

[sharp ember]

heretics watching you side shuffle closer winding up a chainsword

[whole moon]

I do this w hammers n mauls to sweep enemies into a pile

[sharp ember]

poor controller players having a harder time doing the sideways gap closer unless they have huge sensitivity

[hollow hinge]

I really like the controller gameplay

But I use K+M

Im a trash player with controller

[whole moon]

I need to work on this because this line alone made me never want to match w you.
Either game needs to 'baseline' difficulty between PC n Console or I have to accept I'll be whining about low sensitivity controller setups forever

I don't want them to baseline difficulty too. Always ends up as dumb down for console

[delicate moat]

how do people in AM still not see a daemonhost

like it's glowing green right there in the open

[wooden oar]

is it true that this talent is bugged causing you to take more damage then your suposed to ?

[hybrid river]

Yes

[south spindle]

There is a reason why we dont have a console crossplay toggle button on PC.. We'd collectively murder the console playerbase 😄

[dusty ferry]

After using focus target
I am scared by how strong it is

[south spindle]

Depends where it is, I've run over them on some maps because they're round a corner an dont make any noise till you're on top of them, but thats an audio issue more than owt else

[dusty ferry]

Someone triggered a daemonhost and it was targeting our psyker. I used focus target and man
He gon

[south spindle]

The tunnels after the dropdown on Chasm Station comes to mind

[delicate moat]

no but this is outside on the hourglass map

its already awoken, in the very open middle slope down section

[south spindle]

Ah then yeah, thats not excusable

[topaz lance]

which weapon?

[dusty ferry]

Was using bolt gun and krak grenades

[finite imp]

it would be SO nice if our talents actually just worked correctly

[ruby fulcrum]

yes

[topaz lance]

huh interesting

[south spindle]

Its a single talent, all the other ones work to my knowledge

[delicate moat]

"you have failed the emperor" but i haven't even joined

at least let me see the map

[finite imp]

okay. It would be SO nice if that single talent worked correctly

[south spindle]

Oh i love those ones.. free plasteel

[south spindle]

They've posted about it, will be in PT2

[finite imp]

exciting

[fallow compass]

shoots the psyker

Had to play it safe

[dusty ferry]

Psyker was also gon too

As you said, had to play it safe

[south spindle]

Can't be riskin no demonic incursions, better to nip the problem in the bud

[fallow compass]

Guard 4 lyfe

[umbral scaffold]

Didnt they say it would be in another hotfix instead?

[south spindle]

It was one of the two, i'd have to find the comment. Given us PC folks are supposed to be getting that cosmetic bundle somepoint soon its not unlikely its thrown in with that

Unless ofc they're already in the game an its just a matter of clicking a button for FS, no idea how thats gonna work tho, i dont have the view all cosmetics mod

[eternal sable]

almost perfect

t3 uncanny 😭

[south spindle]

Niiice

Eh, you wont feel that unless you're melee fighting a Crusher

[eternal sable]

this one makes me cry 😭

break the locks already fs

[south spindle]

Ahhh Limbshitter....

[eternal sable]

• unyelding =/

[south spindle]

That blessing was a fucking scourge for ages, at least now its not removing damage from your weapon

[eternal sable]

maybe in the distant future

FS will break the locks

and ill be able to use all my god rolled items

[south spindle]

With any luck, the next major update will be a crafting rework

[eternal sable]

thats what im looking forward to

[south spindle]

Thats the one thing that would make the game infinitely more playable

[eternal sable]

but im not sure they will break the locks, im thinking new weps

like the last weps they added were the thammer and psword variants

total trash

[south spindle]

Sorry, i mean like the next patch that rivals the class overhaul

[eternal sable]

ye

[south spindle]

Not any content drops like what we're getting soon

[eternal sable]

i dont think in pt 2 update

[south spindle]

Nah wont be that for sure, at least i'd be fuckin surprised

[eternal sable]

i want a horus heresy melta gun and a power fist

it checks with the vet lore

[south spindle]

That being said, i dont think anyone really expected the class overhaul until they announced it so we might end up surprised

There are actually parts for a Melta in the files

[eternal sable]

if they eventually add a melta for vet and its the big model that slows you down like a stubber

im going to uninstall

[south spindle]

Yet to be determined if its for Vet or Zealot tho

[eternal sable]

either class id be happy with lol

[neon briar]

They are more likely to give new weapons than to improve crafting

[viral nacelle]

Melta actually for ogryn

[neon briar]

New weapons means more grinding

[viral nacelle]

Used as club

[neon briar]

Improve crafting means less grinding

[eternal sable]

i could see metla ogryn for sure

[narrow dock]

good or sucks?

[eternal sable]

heavy bolter ogryn too

[viral nacelle]

They’re not going to reduce the amount of grind with any system

They want you to grind

[eternal sable]

get higher stopping power

thats a big one on the plasma

[south spindle]

For now prehaps, but they know that people hate the current system so i wouldnt be shocked if they do it at somepoint, but that'll be a big update an not one we'll be seeing before next year

[viral nacelle]

But they may make something more fun to grind

[narrow dock]

need more penetrarion ic

[eternal sable]

you can do with low charge rate and ammo and thermal resistance tbh

[narrow dock]

ye make sense

[eternal sable]

damage and stopping power are the main stats

[narrow dock]

thx gonna skip this milk rotation then <:

[south spindle]

Melk rarely has actually good shit, he does on occasion, but usually its just an easy access to blessings shop :/

[fallow compass]

Yeah i just use sour milk as a blessing shop

I got a good roll yesterday and he was offering 3 guns with two IV blessings each

[nimble sentinel]

I recently found out I have 427+ true levels in veteran and an embarassing 669.5 hours logged with steam, so have my lack of wisdom for funsies

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa29726-c30a-4f57-ac9f-c429bc669d34/my-job-is-gun-lasgun-veteran

[eternal sable]

only 427?

[nimble sentinel]

I have a full time job get off my krak grenades

[eternal sable]

imagine taking a keystone omg

[nimble sentinel]

I'm a bozo on the internet, not a cop. Take what you want lol

[eternal sable]

(im kidding man)

[nimble sentinel]

(no worries)

[eternal sable]

hahha ❤️

[south spindle]

Ngl, i kinda love Vets Keystones, shame the tree is pricey

Particularly Marksman's an Weap'Spec'

[nimble sentinel]

I'm mucking about with a Marksman Focus version of this build but, alas, full time job

[eternal sable]

krak is so good

but i dont want the +1 stamina node

[safe quiver]

what to change ? (wanna run it with revolver)

[eternal sable]

savage sweep + rampage or shred depending on your build

flak + maniacs or unarmoured

[whole moon]

Get that stamina changed to flak since your revolvers gonna be ur carapace killer

[eternal sable]

a t1 savage sweep is better than a t4 wrath

[nimble sentinel]

What Fierce said, though I'd keep Wrath and trade Skullcrusher for the one that does more damage based on hitting 3+ people or whatever

[empty heron]

Solid build. Are you ammo neutral with this? Or do you some times need crates?

[junior needle]

@woven fable Here's a good example of numerical differences. 80% gray 7a, talentless.

[nimble sentinel]

Bosses might eat up my reserves but otherwise I can go a full game without a single pick up

[midnight patrol]

Anyone recommend builds for making the Kantrael mkIV viable for us vets?

It has some pretty bad breakpoints at Heresy and Damnation. But having an effective ammo pool of 500 rounds makes me want to make it work.

[nimble sentinel]

#veteran-class message

Have I got good news for you

[woven fable]

yea, but the recoil makes me feel uncomftable :[

[midnight patrol]

There we go, headhunter and maybe squeeze the left tree keystone in?

I think I can reconfig a mkIV into a deadly-headhunter blessings

[nimble sentinel]

I'm working on a build like that too, will have more on that maybe later tonight

[junior needle]

mk4 inf las is good now, it's just more oriented for body shot/crit playstyle as opposed to headshot fishing. I like deadshot/ghost/dnd combination for it.

[valid apex]

Paying a lot of tax

[midnight patrol]

Its okay on like, flesh. But the moment I come up against Maulers and Scab ragers, their flak armour, health and the very punishing reverse damage falloff means uh

I cannot emergency ammo dump them in the chest

[empty heron]

Haha ask and you shall receive

[midnight patrol]

At least scab ragers have flak helmets, so headshot full auto can drop em fast

Maulers are an oof.

[nimble sentinel]

That's what the Krak/Chainsword/Screaming and running away are for

[junior needle]

All the infantry lasguns are bad vs flak unfortunately. I've been trying a way around it by leveraging onslaught/infernus with very high crit chance but it's very unconventional.

[valid apex]

The tag talent would be perfect if we got stacks back if killed within a certain time.

[midnight patrol]

The tag talent might be good for 'panic mag dumping' though

Think that extra 12% damage will cut it?

[junior needle]

Agreed, I don't like the IAG's as well for that reason. But it's more just to show you that some guns are just numerically way better or worse than others by default. 7a false into the worse category.

[valid apex]

The tag talent is perfect for revolver and plasma.

[midnight patrol]

Hmm, so it wont help the mkIV chest drop maulers and scab ragers?

[south spindle]

Been running about using MKIV as a hipfire weapon, ofc you lose the damage over range element, but its hilariously funny to charge groups of gunners an shotgunners with it

[woven fable]

unfourtantly i use weapons because i like how they sound and wable when they shoot and not about effectivnes XuX

but thanks for taking the time to show me

@junior needle

[midnight patrol]

It works still okay vs anything not body armor

unarmoured heads melt under it

[finite imp]

i now have 5 k melk bucks

the wait begins

[south spindle]

Its not super bad vs flak, its not great, but its not like recon'las levels of pathetic what with how bad they are vs maniac

[frank ether]

is unyielding that bad on the shovel

[nimble sentinel]

That's an extra 12% to the whole squad except for the dagger zealot speedrunning in a different post code, plenty of damage to share

[junior needle]

No problem, I got very invested into weapons that ended up being trash so I try to warn people about it now.

[eternal sable]

yeah plush

[delicate moat]

controversial take: dclaw > psword

[frank ether]

yeah I suppose its not preferrable to maniac

Mine has maniac/unyielding rn

[midnight patrol]

The mkIV melts the non flak ragers, and it helps a lot yuh

[forest maple]

Thats controversial alright 😄

[eternal sable]

nah

[junior needle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9aa29da2-6a9e-4653-aabd-a49910ce3885

You can try the goofy onslaught infernus thing I've been testing, made flak/carapace way more manageable. Can also be adjusted for infiltrate.

[valid apex]

Does this let us gain toughness with ranged kills?

[eternal sable]

if youre intentionally running a keystone now, big yikes

[frank ether]

this is like one of the many shovels I got atm and dont care enough to fix it at this point

[valid apex]

How do you figure? Lol

[eternal sable]

flak would be most optimal there

[frank ether]

I was thinking about that myself

[south spindle]

Kek, i run a 100% ranged crit chance build with Weap'Spec'

Its super funny

[frank ether]

debating in my head

[serene bough]

not much wrong with it

[frank ether]

normally I almost always keep maniac

[eternal sable]

for example if you are running marksman focus keystone for example

[empty heron]

@nimble sentinel What's your take on redirect fire? I heard someone say if you get max stack tag damage you can keep the buff refreshed with just 1 stack tag kill

[serene bough]

only thing is unyielding damage

everything esle is fine

[frank ether]

but unyielding I think the rager heads are unyielding

[eternal sable]

you are also taking the rending which you can get as base in the middle tree

[frank ether]

which would be optimal to go for on shovel anyways

[eternal sable]

+10 rending to all weapons at all times

[south spindle]

Nope, all Maniac bud, or Flak depending on which Rager ofc

[frank ether]

huh

interesting

[nimble sentinel]

You most certainly can! More damage is good damage, and yellow highlights make any problem vanish

[midnight patrol]

The easiest mkIV in my pocket I can headhunter now

[eternal sable]

all the keystones are pretty shit

[serene bough]

thats a good mg4

[serene sage]

we need the ragers to yell a little and the mutants to shut the f up

[serene bough]

gl getting headhunter

[serene sage]

that's all, thank you

[limpid hull]

so far i feel like im achieving the same bullshit, with more effort in gameplay and through the skill tree. im definetely weaker.

[serene bough]

crushers also need to make slightly more sound

[south spindle]

Maniac ragers sound like they've inhaled a bunch of Helium

[frank ether]

it would be a start to have poxbursters make consistent noise lmao

[empty heron]

As a chronic tagger this pleases me

[south spindle]

Squeaky bois

[eternal sable]

for that shovel, you are gonna be hitting flak a lot more than maniacs

so id roll flak instead for optimal

[frank ether]

yeah I was thinking so aswell

[eternal sable]

you cant stagger with a shovel heavy

a maniac

[frank ether]

that shovel I use on my weapon master right tree vet

[eternal sable]

so there is no point in meleing a rager

[frank ether]

so attack speed is very high

[serene bough]

you can stagger a rager with shovel special attack

[eternal sable]

yeah only a special

[serene bough]

crusher too

[empty heron]

Are focus target tags yellow for other players as well? Or just for us using them?
Since the patch I've literally just met 2 other veterans in all lobbies total. And both of them were melee vets.

[eternal sable]

if there are 8 running at you

=/

[junior needle]

If you aren't going onslaught I'd definitely take infernus off

[serene bough]

ive noticed at times you can stunlock a rager with shovel

[serene sage]

it is yellow for them as well

[serene bough]

if you take something like hammerblow it makes it more consistent

[eternal sable]

shovel special does 0 damage

[serene sage]

i know because one of the teammates asked why some tags are yuellow

[serene bough]

but idk what the condition for staggering a rager is on normal attacks

[eternal sable]

when youre in auric malestrom and 14 ragers are running at you..

no time to spam shovel specials for stagger lol

[atomic zephyr]

simply shoot the rager

[delicate moat]

i wish the special would stun more than 1...

[eternal sable]

^

[atomic zephyr]

[empty heron]

hah I see

[eternal sable]

shoot the bitch

you literally will die

[serene bough]

shovel actually has enough defense that you could block multiple ragers and dodge out of it

[valid apex]

Getting the 30% weakspot is pretty nutty.

[empty heron]

I still don't understand where all the veteran lobbies I keep hearing about are

[eternal sable]

yes onelove

[atomic zephyr]

i had a vet lobby last night, think it died though

[valid apex]

It’s pretty free now

[atomic zephyr]

dont remember

[serene sage]

ragers are whatever, they just need to stop spawning behind you, especially if you already cleared the corner. if they spawn new pod they should make a lot more sound than they do now

[eternal sable]

1 shot revolver build

no keystone needed

[formal relic]

So has anyone come around on the focus keystone at all? I've been trying to make it work but just haven't managed it

[atomic zephyr]

i like the focus keystone

[empty heron]

Not for crushers

[eternal sable]

you cant 1 shot crushers anymore since they nerfed that one ability

[atomic zephyr]

it helps with anything that already does a lot of single hit damage

[eternal sable]

that gave you 50% power

[misty turtle]

man the "on overwatch" penance is fucked

[eternal sable]

2 shots now

[misty turtle]

my heart can't take this pressure

[serene bough]

basically a must pick for all builds

[serene sage]

wait for low intensitiy malice and it's relatively easy

[misty turtle]

don't get hit in melee in a melee-oriented video game

[empty heron]

I believe it's possible with left tree and/or exe stance

[eternal sable]

yeah Marksman used to give you 50% weak spot power

im never taking ex stance

[formal relic]

You can get hit. You just can't take health damage.

[eternal sable]

shout is the only way

[delicate moat]

on overwatch is best done by not deliberately trying

[valid apex]

This is what I’m messing with and it’s pretty effective

[serene sage]

you can take toughness damage, just not health damge as other have said

[eternal sable]

and i tried with ex stance and marksman focus + armor and i dont think you can 1 shot a crusher

[misty turtle]

it's too stressful, i almost did it twice already but choked

[empty heron]

shout it's better I agree. But that doesn't mean you can't do it

[eternal sable]

can you try and see brobert?

[misty turtle]

oh i can take toughness damage???

[eternal sable]

im almost 100% sure you cant 1 shot a crusher with ex stance and keystone

[empty heron]

I will try to check when I get home. Still wasting time at work

[worthy pelican]

I randomly got the overwatch achievment wehn they overbuffed shout

[valid apex]

You could previously

[eternal sable]

since they nerfed it from 50%-20%

[delicate moat]

yes, but if toughness dmg'd it will bleed through to health

[eternal sable]

yeah onelove thats what i tought

[empty heron]

I'm not sure myself

[eternal sable]

no point in taking that node now

[valid apex]

Even without keystone

[nimble sentinel]

I would love to do invis vet but that points tax for taking it with survivalist is harsh

[eternal sable]

you could 1 shot crusher with marksman + shout

[valid apex]

You take the keystone for monstrosities.

[serene bough]

Id argue precision strikes and repricocity are two perks you should try grabbing in most builds if not all

[south spindle]

Simply dont take Survivalist then

Its not unlikely its removed in a future patch anyway

Get used to not having it now

[serene sage]

yeah, and overshield completely blocks health damage
so Voice of Command helps (plus the stagger)
take Tinkered Frag nade as well for breathing room
lower difficulty, hope for Low Intensity
play well

[serene bough]

too useful not to take survivalist

[eternal sable]

idk im always taking shout for the toughness and stagger, it saves you and the team so many times

[serene bough]

nullifies all other auras

[eternal sable]

crusher patrol sneaks up behind you ? - shout ez pz

[serene bough]

i prefer infiltrate over shout

shout kind of trivializes fights

[nimble sentinel]

why you gotta hurt me like that

[delicate moat]

at this point, the toughness for me is just a nice convenience, but the AOE stagger saves me a ton of times

[eternal sable]

yeah man i love the aoe stagger

and just spamming shout for your team for perma + toughness

especially in auric malestrom is very nice

[south spindle]

Just how it is bud, it breaks several characters and weapons, not to mention one of the Maelstrom modifiers. I certainly know all the playtesters actively despise it

[frank ether]

shout psword is a silly combo

[delicate moat]

stopping a mutant swarm dead in its tracks is hilarious

[frank ether]

kinda just deletes the weakness of the weapon which is low mobility

[eternal sable]

yeah, i tried ex stance for a few games and it felt terrible

[serene sage]

it lets you run up to a pack of gunner, tank until toughness is low, shout to refresh and stagger than go to town meleeing them

i love thsat

[valid apex]

Yeeeea. Shout isn’t mandatory but it picks up a LOT of slack for a bad team.

[eternal sable]

^

if you want to be the super carry

just build for your team

and keeping yourself alive

[frank ether]

left tree just has the big squishy syndrome in general

[empty heron]

Theoretically speaking. (It's fkin meme but still). Shouldn't it be possible with something like this?

[atomic zephyr]

i got the overwatch penance despite dying by getting flung off a ledge by a barrel

[limpid hull]

Vets cant super carry, just carry

[atomic zephyr]

its more forgiving than you think

[empty heron]

Allthough you prolly need full stacks

[eternal sable]

you cant play the game with a revolver without longshot and volley adept

[valid apex]

Mmmmm vet can boost team damage significantly now. Both throughout and against priority targets.

[worthy pelican]

yeah you can wdym

[eternal sable]

you can but its just bad

youre missing out on 30% reload speed and 20% damage

im telling you, keystone = bad

[empty heron]

Haha I agree

[eternal sable]

you can use those 2-3 points for so much more

[serene sage]

you can? those two are not neccessary

[empty heron]

Just mean it's possible

[serene sage]

the lower right keystone is busted

[frank ether]

game needs to move away from it being tied to a veteran aura and have something similar be part of base game, and then have ammo balanced around that

[atomic zephyr]

right keystone is pretty good

[eternal sable]

weapons specialist is the melee tree

[valid apex]

Lower right keystone allows you to skip surgical. Lol

[limpid hull]

how

[eternal sable]

idc about vet melee, just running a shovel with perma +10 rending

[worthy pelican]

left keystone also gives reload speed (altho if you run that with a revolver you need camouflage)

[serene sage]

you don't need reload because you never run out of bullet in the revolver with Always Prepared
20% isn't needed because keystone and auto crit

[empty heron]

Theoretically 220% damage against crusher with 100% rending

[limpid hull]

oh i thought you meant the lowest right of the lower right

[empty heron]

on revolver crit.

[limpid hull]

conditioning

[south spindle]

Think they'll just opt to increase ammo drops, which they have just done, so it might well be the case that runs where survivalist isnt in play are being monitored through some sort of telemetry to see how it works out

[eternal sable]

marksman focus + the rending node is probls the biggest noob trap

[atomic zephyr]

yeah the rending node is eh

[frank ether]

I still get missions where there are nearly no ammo drops for like half of the level despite turning over every corner

[atomic zephyr]

much prefer the toughness node

[eternal sable]

you only get 10% rending at 10 stacks which you will lose quick

[limpid hull]

i get that the thought is to keep auto guns in line

[eternal sable]

ranged finess doesnt give you any breakpoints

its useless

[frank ether]

another problem is player pacing

[limpid hull]

and scout rifles

[serene sage]

I feel like ammo is the same lmao
I don't feel a difference at all

[atomic zephyr]

columnus iag with marksman's focus is crazy though

[valid apex]

If you’re standing still you can’t lose them

[empty heron]

I've noticed the same

[valid apex]

If you kill with a headshot. You don’t lose them

[frank ether]

what speedrunners and people who are playing in good teams dont realize is you artifically make your ammo situation easier by not dragging on through levels which in return burns less ammo

[limpid hull]

its their way of making sure the weapons dont hit too hard, if their intent is that all the weapons get buffed like the columnus V

[empty heron]

Especially on Carnival

[eternal sable]

im not a camo vet lol

[celest vine]

Who says survivalist is going away?

[eternal sable]

fuck standing still for stacks

[valid apex]

It’s a LOT of damage

[south spindle]

Ive seen a few with less, but its certainly a lot more common than it was in the last patch, that being said, i basically only play AM, so it might have had different ammo changes to other settings, i cant speak on those

[atomic zephyr]

literally just get headshot kills, you can move fine with marks focus

[eternal sable]

i dont want anything thats dependent on stacks

[valid apex]

112.5% finesse. Lol

[limpid hull]

i just want the mats

i miss the power

felt special

[south spindle]

You dont need to, like at all, you gain stacks by getting headshots no matter if you're moving or not

[eternal sable]

you can have 10% rending for 10 secs then you move and no longer any rending..

sounds so stupid to me

[valid apex]

Our new keystones are actually sick. Lots of build variety.

[eternal sable]

you can just take 10% base rending to all weps in the middle tree

[limpid hull]

like the ping,it comes up faster than you;d think

[empty heron]

But you can move

Just keep hitting headshots

Marksman is not statue

[nimble sentinel]

you can always shoot the horde

[eternal sable]

true 😭

[worthy pelican]

i feel like left keystone has made people out themselves having shaky aim

[valid apex]

You don’t lose stacks after a kill, crouch walking, or standing still. You get 3 stacks per weakspot. It’s pretty free

[valid apex]

Hahaha. True

[eternal sable]

but you only get the 10% at 10 stacks -.-

[south spindle]

Yeah, both of those keystones are mad strong, its just about how well you play, an tbh i kinda like that way of going about it, you're rewarded for good play an punished for bad plays, as it should be

[eternal sable]

if you get down to 7 stacks and shoot something, no longer any rending

thats just too much bullshit

[nimble sentinel]

10 poxbursters, with the build I'm cooking that's not even 10 bullets

[valid apex]

Tbh you don’t even need it.

[eternal sable]

id rather base raw stats

[limpid hull]

I think the swap keystone is cool, and is well done. I like the ping one too, though i feel like its missing a bit of pazazz and the Left keystone is just a weaker dilluted ver. of a few other nodes

[valid apex]

That swap keystone is something I was talking about and glad they did.

[serene sage]

we need swap speed

[valid apex]

Super cool

[serene sage]

to make it more fun

[atomic zephyr]

tellin ya, the left keystone isnt bad, it just favors higher rof weapons

[worthy pelican]

i will admit that left keystone is awkward af when you use slow weapons, like if you want to play as a sniper its exec + ping (or be really cracked with melee)

[limpid hull]

my problem is that the overall power is weaker, and builds that dont use keystones are weaker too.

[valid apex]

Executioner stance

[serene sage]

i mean for hybrid vets

because right now gun selection for those is a little limited

[oak lion]

ehhh is this good?

[limpid hull]

maybe im using the wrong columnus V

[nimble sentinel]

mfer found the STC to hollow point

[south spindle]

Ehh kinda, mostly only due to the cost of the tree though, if they were to lessen the point cost by three or four to reach said keystones, a lot of the power issues would be addressed straight away

[limpid hull]

3%

lol what

use it

[serene sage]

if it has revolver in the name it's automatically good

[limpid hull]

i want to know

[limpid hull]

I agree. though that would kill build variety a bit in turn.

[oak lion]

i sold it

[celest vine]

Thats the main gripe ive seen after veteran mains stopepd malding

[limpid hull]

big sads

[celest vine]

3 more points is all vet needs to be better

[south spindle]

Not at all? It would increase it because you'd have more points to flesh out your build in other areas

[limpid hull]

yeah i am almost malding

I suppose your right, i am just in a negative mindset

[celest vine]

Redistributing perks to different spots or removing junk perks

[worthy pelican]

they can remove a node at the start and from there i dont know what to remove

[celest vine]

Well you arent gonna get a change by being unreasonable

[nimble sentinel]

I thought of swapping to zealot for the recon drip but I am addicted to my lasgun

and krak

[limpid hull]

okay some perks are bullshit though looking at you born leader

[oak lion]

i mean to recreate my pre patch build i would need 33 points so i agree on the 3 poitns thing

[crisp bronze]

What are the priority stats of the Boltgun? I assume Damage, Reload, Stability, Mobility, and Collateral in that order?

[serene sage]

I think we will be OP with 3 more points lol
they need to cut down the number of nodes

[worthy pelican]

i love krak cocaine

[whole moon]

deciding whether to make a play for the ellusive 73% charge or just make do and wait til whatever there is patched out

[celest vine]

I mean get 3 more points that way

[south spindle]

Take one out of each of the horizontal rows of minor nodes, take one minor node out of each bottom branch, job done, tree fixed

[limpid hull]

I believe my statement was a aknowledgement of that fact.

[serene sage]

I would say
Damage, Stab, Reload, Colla, Mobi

[celest vine]

Cutting junky nodes that serve no purpose is the best way

[fast scaffold]

I feel like there should be no cost on each tier to swap to a different branch

[nimble sentinel]

call me Ronald Reagan for all the free krak I'm distributing the people of the inner city

[limpid hull]

i think 6 or 7 points would do it

yeah

totally

[celest vine]

Who tf needs to deal 50% more supression for example?

[limpid hull]

lol >.>

[celest vine]

Makes it harder to kill

[oak lion]

i wish Born leader was good

[frank gyro]

hello, what are lucius hellbore MK IIIs best perks?

[fleet drift]

What blessing or Perk should I get on my power sword?

[limpid hull]

if born leader were good, i wouldnt complain

25%

[south spindle]

That would make it the most points effective class by a mile, an thats not a good way of going about it either. We dont want a return to Pre-Patch 13 Vet where it was the strongest class by a fucking mile

[modern dome]

lmfao true, perk that makes enemies dodge more hehe

[serene sage]

if we recover 15% more toughness ourselves then I wouldn't hate it so much

[glossy pond]

Carapace/flak seems to work well enough

[shell ginkgo]

Supercharge to Brutal momentum

[limpid hull]

ik its overkill, i was joking

[turbid oracle]

Slaughterer 4

[untold mulch]

Its one of those things that in a tactical game would be useful

But in horde games is better to just kill them

[serene sage]

right now it's only teammates who don't know the difference

[limpid hull]

3 would do it tbh

[celest vine]

Like theres clearly some “good on paper” perks than need to be cut out

[limpid hull]

points i mean

[south spindle]

Ye

[modern dome]

mhm mhm mhm

[celest vine]

I dont care if veterans skill tree is “bland”

[oak lion]

the number isn't even an issue it's the fact that it does nothing when you're at max toughness which is most of the time on shout vet

[celest vine]

Hes a fucking rifleman no shit he isnt gonna have some out there wild perks

[modern dome]

vet as a class is bland and i love it

[untold mulch]

Let me eat a crayon pack to boost toughness regen

[shell ginkgo]

BM

[untold mulch]

Hoorah

[valid apex]

So do you have 330% crit chance with 10 stacks?…

[limpid hull]

i find supression to be useful on guns with decent supression to begin with, like the auto pistol. it buys you the time to kill in situations you otherwise wouldnt have. or control gunners and shooters when killing just cant happent fast enough

[untold mulch]

[limpid hull]

yknow what, youre right

[nimble sentinel]

I instalocked the Professional voice in the beta, for all that's worth sparkling water might as well be too spicy for me

embrace the blandness

[untold mulch]

Mhmm, I see

[fleet drift]

Which one is better Brutal Momentum or Slautherer

[worthy pelican]

I love fem cut throat, i love my gun gremlin

[limpid hull]

ALSO supression is verygood if your build strength is NOT geared towards your gun, or you run a more utility focused ranged weapon

[fast scaffold]

Veteran should have been a jack of all trades, and really leaned into that by letting you jump between the different branches for free, I don't think the number of nodes is too bad, but if you want to hop around it gets expensive and impossible

[oak lion]

i love Fem Cut Throat my friend plays her and her banter with my Professional is hilarious

[limpid hull]

I think the team support is a good archetype as long as it keeps to a comissar vibe

[fleet drift]

Think I will go with Slautherer then

[nimble sentinel]

I do wish I could change my voice to the shitty guardsman

[limpid hull]

which ones the shitty one?

[modern dome]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1064070189324435466/1067557608266936320/feel_that.gif

[nimble sentinel]

the one who forgot all the codes

[shell ginkgo]

Loose Cannon

[untold mulch]

Loose Cannon is peak

[fast scaffold]

Leave loose cannon out of it, they're the best in town and best around

[nimble sentinel]

paraphrasing, "Oh now you're gonna tell me Grey Knights are real!"

I was instantly sold

[limpid hull]

uh i do NOT know which voice is what

[oak lion]

this, i kinda wish we had a talent similiar to the one Ogryn has that would increase movement speed for your team when you shout. Would fit the commissar vibe as "leading/commanding the charge"

[untold mulch]

Deltraton.....THE FLAMEY ONE

[shell ginkgo]

Friend and I are Loose Cannon + Cutthroat

It's great

[untold mulch]

SAME

I LC, him is Cut

[nimble sentinel]

you misunderstand, I adore how shit of a guardsman the loose cannon is

[limpid hull]

oh i see

lol im the professional

[shell ginkgo]

I piss her off by doing vc callouts with their codes

[untold mulch]

Homie is more worried to keep being alive, than by remmebering stupid shit

[waxen lark]

Don't let FS hear you, they'll add it as another node instead of making it base kit (I wish)

[untold mulch]

Sigma-Minoris-33 careful

You are pounced mid sentence

[worthy pelican]

isnt loose cannon the cadian?

[forest blaze]

After playing some aurics on the new carnival map I found I'm struggling with mass horde clear with plasma + PS + infiltrate. I'm considering moving to this tree instead. Any thoughts?

[turbid oracle]

Slaughterer 4 I say cause most of the time you will be able to cleave through everything anyways

[fast scaffold]

He's not a shit guardsman though 😭 he just isn't cadian, he makes more money per year too

[oak lion]

lmfao yeah, they'll add it after the keystones behind 3 "+10% suppression dealt" nodes

[untold mulch]

Cutthroat

[shell ginkgo]

Cutthroat is

[fleet drift]

Thanks

[vagrant narwhal]

yee, would let you spread out a lil more

[worthy pelican]

damn am i shit at the game, ive playing loose cannon and calling it cutthroat. Too much ogryn gameplay

[turbid oracle]

Brutal Momentum is super good anyways, either should be fine really.

[waxen lark]

Og is a good job

[oak lion]

tbf the only personalities i remember by name is Professional Vet and Loose cannon and Savant Psyker

[untold mulch]

Seer Psyker is my fav

[shell ginkgo]

She hates when I call out dogs as sigma minoris 33

[untold mulch]

Because having a piece of E is so funny

[oak lion]

Seer is the crazy "My Beloved" one?

[nimble sentinel]

I really hope someone can make a mod changing my characters voices I want to forget all the codes and date the emperor

[untold mulch]

Yep

I for the jokes write in chat inchracter

[oak lion]

i like Seer when someone else plays him on my team but i love Savant too much

[untold mulch]

"Beloved said thqt that wasnt nice"

[oak lion]

i like how kind they are

[valid apex]

Shouldn’t be struggling at all with horde clear with the 2 best horde clear weapons….

It’s not your build

[untold mulch]

Savant has the psyker superpower

Of just being mostly fine

[tall torrent]

pick Cadian origin
pick professional voiceline
refuse to elaborate

[untold mulch]

Impressive

[limpid hull]

i like when the two german sounding psykers talk to each other

[oak lion]

that's me lmfao

[limpid hull]

lol thats what i did

[crisp bronze]

The only thing the Professional and Loose Cannon can agree on is shit talking the Cutthroat about Cadia lol.

[crisp bronze]

https://youtu.be/x2yx7gdPyB0?si=qMDbyKF2hr19GHqj

[safe quiver]

what u guys say what should i change ?

[tall torrent]

I wonder if Cadian professional and Cadian cutthroat have unique interactions

[waxen lark]

After 800 hours of Darktide, I can comfortably say that Cadia deserved it

[topaz lance]

Loose Cannon is probably the best voice, shame I chose Professional.

Cadian is annoying

[misty turtle]

you were right i actually could take toughness damage... i just got it but before i kept quitting whenever i got hit and took toughness damage so thanks!

[nimble sentinel]

someone tag me in the answer I don't know shit about axes but want to

[tall torrent]

MkIV tac axe is not that great

[safe quiver]

which axe is the good one ?

[atomic zephyr]

somehow the male cadian manages to be more annoying than the female cadian

dunno why

whenever i hear him i imagine a really angry midget

[valid apex]

Axe type

ha