veteran-class

[crude plank]

I need to fix it up for a shovel hellbore set up

[gaunt hinge]

thats a lot of damn grenades you have to throw

[serene sage]

I don't hate it but I think Fire Team is better here (heretical, I know)
You might need more toughness regen than just Out for Blood
If you want melee stuff, you should really consider the 10% melee damage "filler" node (which should really be a named node by itself lol)

[mystic belfry]

Stealth for revives is a silly argument when you can take a node on about to revive even inside a horde lmao

[karmic musk]

Huh I bet VT2 players are the skilled gun users here since VT2 range requires actual aiming with little ammo

[languid stump]

Have they fixed the Scavenger perk yet?

[tawdry swan]

i think its hard to say what most ppl coming from v2 would play.
if they were sienna enthusiast, psyker will be their first pick. zealot in v2 is notoriously easy af and tanky and a popular option so that might be their first pick here too. or just vet. who knows

[karmic musk]

Unless you are a filthy Javelin spammer in Legend

[sour elbow]

not even fixed the toughness one afaik

[mystic belfry]

Yep.

[celest vine]

The penance is fixed

Go grind scavanger

[devout atlas]

wait oh my fucking god i think my agri can two tap maulers

[gaunt hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174710097155461231/image.png?ex=65689508&is=65562008&hm=cc71f24b606b73b6442c9c2342508bbfc50480466aec53d507a65714013ed58d&

[mystic belfry]

Try special sniping in cataclysm with bad aim lmao

[celest vine]

Its like 5 games on the new map and you have it

[crude plank]

yeah i'll get it fixed up later on when i do more shovel slapping

[mystic belfry]

You’ll die

[gaunt hinge]

man i love reading patch notes

[languid stump]

Hooray! Wait, where do I unlock it

[celest vine]

Resupply 5000 ammo points to allies

[serene sage]

this is my personal build, I run Bolter + a good melee weapon on Auric T5

[sour elbow]

tfw patch notes explain more than ingame menus. Wish I didn't have to alt tab to remind myself what rend does

[dusk idol]

play with a lot of ogrybs

[celest vine]

You can get up to 4% ammo resupplied per elite kill

[dusk idol]

ogryns

[languid stump]

No I meant scavenger

[cold shell]

I wouldn't support with extra nades. Most of the time teammates are thinking about breathing (like you, who reads this are thinking about breathing now) and they'll forget to drop a grenade to let your regen tick over.

[karmic musk]

And the fact that Rend underwent an overhaul so anything old is no longer relevant

[celest vine]

Far left aura

[crude plank]

good point

[mystic belfry]

I’ve posted my two main builds in here, at work though so I dont wanna dig on the sight :v

[languid stump]

Oh right

Okay

[celest vine]

It works with scavanger

[mystic belfry]

But it’s bleed knife, and full support

[tiny summit]

I still just don't see the value in getting any aura besides scavenger

[languid stump]

Where is the original scavenger perk anyway, if far left is an ‘upgrade of scavenger’?

[dusk idol]

bleed knife giving utility to zealot and ogryn like

[mystic belfry]

Damage aura can hit break points

[celest vine]

Its not 1 ammo point resupplied, its .75 on the un augmented

[tiny summit]

Scavenger is what your vet starts with as default

[cold shell]

Spend less talents to go down the support tree

[karmic musk]

Built-in I think

[mystic belfry]

Ye, and good horde dps

[near bison]

Does anyone have a good talent tree for the Kantrael?

[dusk idol]

I wouldn’t say good

[dusk idol]

good for the knife

[serene sage]

it lets you melee better, nades do more damage, and, most importantly, point cost (yes id rather survivalist but that's 2 points out of the way)

[mystic belfry]

I would tbh

[celest vine]

Good for general play

[dusk idol]

compared to?

[frank ether]

vet scavenger feels like its the kind of thing that shouldn't be an aura but rebalanced to be a baseline feature of the game

[cold shell]

Bleed knife on Ogryn? Bleed Kickback club, sah.

[mystic belfry]

Just normal melee with other weapons?

[karmic musk]

Or removed entirely

[tiny summit]

Yea but ammo. More reliable than competitive urge

[gaunt hinge]

grot off give me my ammo regen

[celest vine]

@near bison youll need a lasgun with deadly accurate to make up for not having as many damage dealing perks

[gaunt hinge]

[celest vine]

Survivability is good tho

[cold shell]

So? Shout, tag.

[dusk idol]

I wouldn’t say bleed knife is good compared to a dclaw at horde clearing

[cold shell]

Ammo is nice but it isn't everything.

[frank ether]

the idea is good and its scales good with difficulty modifiers, its a tad too strong currently but I think its healthier for the game than relying on ammo tins which leads to people fighting over ammo

[languid stump]

Hey, do you guys think they’ll add heavy weapons (meltaguns, grenade launchers, long-las, hotshot lasguns)

[dusk idol]

or even caxe with bromentum

[frank ether]

Its bad for vet mains to also get flamed for not running it

[celest vine]

Wait people dont like free ammo?

[cold shell]

They will eventually, yes.

[mystic belfry]

I use dclaw a lot, it’s actually comparable specifically with both bleed blessings and some crit with talents

[celest vine]

The nerds of darktide mad about that too?

[languid stump]

Well now I’m excited

[mystic belfry]

The one at the top of the right bottom tree

[serene sage]

you already spec so heavily into melee with that build, just embrace the hybrid gameplay which doesn't require that much ammo (as long as your teammates are decent human beings who understand the concept of sharing)

[frank ether]

like I'll play melee vet and get flamed for no scav meanwhile if I bring zealot no one would bat an eye

[karmic musk]

So you will have 0 ammo is what you are saying

[mystic belfry]

If people don’t like my no ammo vet they can cope and leave the match

[crisp bronze]

Play melee vet with scav. Problem solved.

[serene sage]

everyone does, except it's 2 points (or 3) out of the way if you go non-sharpshoot route

[sour elbow]

I love bringing the aura that reduces corruption on my zealot.

[dusk idol]

I would say bleed knife is comparable to caxe horde clear, because you can cleave through like three targets to apply bleed but can attack fast

[mystic belfry]

And I’ll carry their ass when they go down for the fifth time :v

[frank ether]

I'm just tired of other classes expecting vet as an enabler for their gun builds instead of managing ammo better

thats not how it should be

[tall torrent]

with lacerate?

[dusk idol]

I wouldn’t say it’s good (better) compared to normal melees

[mystic belfry]

Both bleed blessings

[serene sage]

memes aside, 99% of people ive met on Auric T5 are really good at sharing ammo

[frank ether]

I dont always have points

[celest vine]

The sharpshooter route is really good anyway

[sour elbow]

Yeah, I get that.

[terse idol]

Look look, to be fair what's more team work orientated than killing an enemy

[tiny summit]

Oh I understand and it's not like make or break, but meh imo the vets other auras still just feel eh that I think the extra few talent points to go sideways for ammo is value

[celest vine]

Go play zealot to be a melee god

[mystic belfry]

No not better, but it’s good

[terse idol]

Nooobodies complaining about when zealot goes stealth

Smmh

[serene sage]

my friend, I don't debate that. but not everyone wants to play left side only

[terse idol]

But also, weapon spec is good

[celest vine]

Even better play bleed ogryn withs shield

[terse idol]

And fills a sweet niche for melee vet

[mystic belfry]

Nah zealot stealth is lame too

Stealth ults are lame

[dusk idol]

so good for the combat knife then

[gaunt hinge]

use heavy 1 and only heavy 1, gameplay solved

[sour elbow]

When an aura is "Bring it or we hate and resent you" then it needs changing imo.

[digital gazelle]

worth or no?

[serene sage]

yeah fair. it's your game play! Im trying to distance myself away from survivalist since I think it will be changed significantly soon

[celest vine]

Ogryn gameplay summed up

[terse idol]

Hopefully they buff the other auras

[sour elbow]

Ogryn makes me giggle

[terse idol]

Because man vet has bad auras

[celest vine]

10% gun damage would be good

[sour elbow]

Pack of ragers and maulers are gangta until you send them all flat on their arses with one swing.

[mystic belfry]

Not my fault people can’t cope without an ammo crutch. I’ve had very very few people in game complain about it to me through text or VoIP

[polar breach]

What makes you think that? I think it's pretty fine as it is.

[frank ether]

melee vet can have permanent %10 extra speed with the aura

[serene sage]

general community there are some people (and some on the playtester team likely, dont quote me on this ) who think Surivivalist is game breaking

[tiny summit]

Is it that aura that's the problem or do the other options need to look better?

[frank ether]

its not bad for the playstyle

[celest vine]

I need more boolets

[crisp bronze]

Thats fair. I was being intentionally obtuse. I've thought of even making 2 seperate loadouts that are basically the same build, one just uses the speed aura and smokes to save points when there is another vet with ammo aura on the team.

[hardy ember]

Speed buff won’t kill hordes of gunners and snipers without ammo @frank ether

[digital gazelle]

are either of these any good

[mystic belfry]

I’d be sad as hell if they made it gun damage

[celest vine]

Get the lasgun for headhunter 4

[frank ether]

my powersword will

[celest vine]

Its the lasguns best blessing

Along with deadly accurate

[mystic belfry]

… it helps actually

I’ve done it

[tiny summit]

Just saying 5% as a single point anything sounds like ass in like any game

[sour elbow]

I think it's both. It honestly feels like the game was balanced around one of each class (makes sense) and the veteran's aura was 'we get extra ammo' so the game is (unconciously?) balanced around it to an extent. But the others just... don't really 'pop', they're not immediately noticeable like extra ammo.

[frank ether]

%10 extra speed is a massive buff if you scoff at that you don't understand how mobility works

[mystic belfry]

Don’t underestimate the nutty mobility of a +10% movespeed vet with a knife

[serene sage]

10% speed would be broken

[mystic belfry]

Backline like a mfer

[frank ether]

vet has that passively

[serene sage]

and vets can, in fact, get 10% speed

[karmic musk]

Plot twist: This was originally designed like Vermintide where you can have only one of each class

[gaunt hinge]

15% weakspot would go hard

[celest vine]

Make it 2% ammo gain then make the other auras 10%

[serene sage]

but 10% team wide speed is another level

[frank ether]

you can just casually outrun all the melee chaff if you need be

[mystic belfry]

You can use it with knife heavies and dodge to get anywhere safely

[frank ether]

and your team isnt that far behind cause you give them a %5

[crisp bronze]

Psyker has a 5% crit aura that does more and even has synergy. The damage aura needs to be a global damage buff to even compete. Maybe it could be changed to 7.5% Power instead?

[frank ether]

with slow guns its also a saviour

different guns have different movement modifiers

keep that in mind

[mystic belfry]

Just don’t speedrun the map with your speed

[frank ether]

on some guns that extra %10 will make you ZOOM across the map

[celest vine]

Make smoke grenades toxic

[serene sage]

i would take it if it's not so far out and you need to spec into smoke nade if you want it cheap

[mystic belfry]

Your killing gunners and shooter not ditching them

[celest vine]

[sour elbow]

...I still want an achievement for 4 guardsman doing a mission. "All Guardsman Party". Something similar for the others, make it a private one if they have to.

[tiny summit]

Again. 5% as an aura. I like my movement speed. I run gunpsyker too. It's fun. 5% auras vs free ammo is gonna look like ass in any game

[tulip condor]

Its feels like that but another way of looking at it was we have to get used to the new habit now that vet wont have ammo. If anything, you and mates need to know when to conserve ammo and how to share

[mystic belfry]

Your so fast you just rejoin them after you kill the rangers

[gaunt hinge]

mustard grenade

[tiny summit]

And I mean "look" not how it feels in practice

[dusk idol]

build diversity? in this economy?

[frank ether]

its a melee build, irrelevant.

[ruby fulcrum]

1% ammo refund/15% weak point damage/5% move speed attack speed

[mystic belfry]

5% damage across the board is not nothing either

[frank ether]

you can still go take survivalist but you don't have to

you do not have to

[sour elbow]

Oh I agree (it's my attitude to the left keystone in a way: it's not something you lose moving, it's something you get when you stop to shoot)

Problem is you're expecting a lot from players who are used to it being there, sadly.

[frank ether]

you'll take a tin or two thats not the end of the world

[mystic belfry]

They could just make it 5% power if it really needs a buff

[tiny summit]

Had 4 vets in my first run on the new mission. 2 shouts and 2 exestance

[digital gazelle]

is there anywhere with current post tree vet builds

[tulip condor]

oh that

[frank ether]

the aura discussion is tiring me and I honestly start to agree with people who want survivalist gone from the game

[tulip condor]

ya, range vet is pretty dead

[serene sage]

i dont think so

[mystic belfry]

I run ammo aura on my support and melee or speed on my melee builds

[serene sage]

you are just so squishy

like a poxwalker breathes on you and you die

[mystic belfry]

Don’t get hit

[frank ether]

even on my helbore build I'm going focus keystone lmao

[serene sage]

but you do a lot of damage

[willow badger]

i am now an iag stan

[gaunt hinge]

talk about auras
too much thinking
ughhh no more ammo regen

[mystic belfry]

Or play support and generate tons of toughness

Like tons

[pure rover]

I'm in need of advice about shovel. I have those 4 fine speciments. Which one to use as base and what to with it's blessings/perks ?

[carmine bronze]

I like the weapon mastery key

[tulip condor]

Helbore is the only weapon i hear can work with it

[carmine bronze]

Fun to filter in and out of melee

[karmic musk]

Helbore is better with Tag

Laspistol is good with Focus

[crisp bronze]

The new mission is a really good showcase of Commando Vet in my opinion. Smokes help a lot in the final area and in quite a few long sightlines. Plus the map has a lot of dangerous interact objectives that stealth vet can do easily without danger.

[frank ether]

I mean you can make helbore left tree work but why would you, all you need is precision strikes and shock trooper not needed if you run survivalist

[mystic belfry]

3

[vague lintel]

Yeah i enjoy weapon specialist on my melee build

[carmine bronze]

Like stealth into meleeing back lines

Just fun

[mystic belfry]

Put manic damage in it

Try backline without stealth

Ya don’t need it with knife mobility

[karmic musk]

Its called Stripped Down

[carmine bronze]

I been using shovel

The irony of a swift moving shovel

[mystic belfry]

Your back lining with a primarily horde weapon?

[autumn perch]

Question for vet mains: Why do you play Veteran? What made you choose it?

[mystic belfry]

I mean I guess is see why you want stealth then

[karmic musk]

pew pew lazors

[mystic belfry]

I just like vet and zealot the most

[odd sparrow]

bolter funny

[hollow ibex]

Suffering is fun

[sour elbow]

Never liked being a spess mehreen in games. I wanted to be the guardsman

[tiny summit]

The gunner room of the first holdout event. Like Jesus I need smokes or psyker shield

[karmic musk]

[sour elbow]

Don't forget the shovel.

[tiny summit]

Pewpews

[vague lintel]

I like p sword and shovel as well as plasma gun

[celest vine]

He shoots the best

And looks cool

[vague lintel]

Mk4 las gun is fun too

[carmine bronze]

Vet has the best stealth

[mystic belfry]

Las pistol slaps for melee builds

[tiny summit]

Also professional vo

[digital gazelle]

is there anything that goes well with the MG IV infantry lasgun?

[carmine bronze]

That 90- threat is huge

[low wadi]

vet playable now?

[karmic musk]

18 seconds of Stealth

[vague lintel]

P sword, i run exe stance and headshot keystone

[celest vine]

He always was you just needed goof aim

Or be on console and use autoguns

[carmine bronze]

Lol

[tiny summit]

Yea just use it. It's good

[low wadi]

game is easy, i mean compared to other classes

[odd sparrow]

nope its just downright bad. Way too low dmg to be worthwhile even with the basically infinite ammo pool.

you might as well use a laspistol which has the same firerate but way better dmg into flak and nutty crit/weakspot multiplier

[celest vine]

No supression

[fresh saddle]

I just saw the Hotfix 1.2.11 notes, was Veteran just nerfed again?

• ‘Trench Fighter Drill’ changed from 15% to 10%.
• ‘For the Emperor!’ changed from 20% to 10%.
• ‘Bring it Down!’ changed from 25% to 20%.
• ‘Marksman’ changed from 50% to 20%.

or was that stuff that was in the last patch just not noted?

[celest vine]

No random accuracy penalties too

[odd sparrow]

was in last patch

[vague lintel]

I think its good but las pistol is def better

[karmic musk]

SOMETHING SOMETHING SNIPER!!!

[frank ether]

came for sharpshooter stayed for melee vet

[odd sparrow]

that reminds me. god i fucking miss having reload on ability with bolter

[carmine bronze]

I call it spec ops vet

[shrewd lagoon]

No one else can kill ranged as well

And it's a lot of fun

[tiny summit]

That vo really does make me wish I could change voices. Like the professional but that one is so good too

[vague lintel]

Loose cannon is good

[frank ether]

its perfect rn

despite vet tree issues

[carmine bronze]

Nothing funny to stealth run up to a sniper and smack him with a shovel

[ruby hull]

know what? im having a blast playing vet, its like a reflex reponse, every time a salty player sees me using knife and laspistol, and i run around 3 shotting crushers with a knife they just absolutely lose their minds in chat or voice coms, its hilarious

[frank ether]

you can get weapon specialist and have just enough points leftover for iron will

all is good

vet saved

[tiny summit]

Magic big man, lots and lots of magic

[shrewd lagoon]

[mystic belfry]

This stuff already happened they just didnt tell us before lol

[carmine bronze]

I mean psycher is the most played class ironically

[mystic belfry]

It was in game when they changed the tree

[forest maple]

Do you guys take precision strikes (30% weakspot) with plasma?

[ruby hull]

why is it that every other class can run around stabbing people, but the second vet wants to get in on the fun, people start getting angry XP

[frank ether]

If garbage talent tree gatekeeps people off of vet thats not entirely a bad thing

[tiny summit]

By fatshark data its professional veteran John Darktide

[mystic belfry]

I’ve not experienced that much

I’ll give you flak for running stealth though

[ruby hull]

its mostly in heresy as im finally leveling vet up

[vague lintel]

If you can afford it yeah its nice

[carmine bronze]

I seen@a guy named John dark tide last night

[shrewd lagoon]

Well flaming isn't the right answer but it's cause it's far from what the class is best at doing

[ruby hull]

oh ive got a full stealth melee laspistol build, rending backstabs is fun

[mystic belfry]

Heresy in darktide and champion in Vermintide suck because of the players lol

[shrewd lagoon]

In heresy it shouldn't matter

[vague lintel]

Played with him as well yesterday lol

[tiny summit]

I've seen several. Some John Warhammers too

[mystic belfry]

I use rending backstab without stealth

[frank ether]

its heresy you can just...

walk

[hollow turtle]

Lol

He's not wrong.

[frank ether]

just hit your W key its over in 15 minutes

[mystic belfry]

The players still suck way harder on average and tend to be more toxic in my experience

[karmic musk]

Malice bois are the real tryharders

[delicate moat]

dayum maelstrom has zero chill

[mystic belfry]

Cool kids go to damnation and auric

[hollow turtle]

Malice bois think they can solo it.

[mystic belfry]

Just like they go to legend and cat in Vermintide

[frank ether]

whats with bad players and toxicity/carry complex

''Its these teammates that hold me back''

yee, clearly

[delicate moat]

the bombers spam is insane

[hollow turtle]

Its the people who say that I've always saw they're the lowest on the scoreboard.

[terse idol]

Well yeah this is why fs probably didn't implant a scoreboard

Even for folks who mod it whew

The toxicity thst comes in that

[vague lintel]

"Im only stuck in heresy cause my teammates are ass i played perfect"

[terse idol]

If people complain they lose because their teammates aren't top scoring they should Uninstal if they don't play optimally 1000% of the time

[frank ether]

sdfvklhkjd

[mystic belfry]

There’s no excuse for losing due to bad teammates

You can solo clear everything

[frank ether]

to be fair

doing solo is a lot easier

[mystic belfry]

But bad teammates still suck to play with

[terse idol]

Well to be fair you need AT MINIMUM 1 other guy to help, most people can't solo

[karmic musk]

This excuse works better with a MMR system

[tall torrent]

I don’t because it’s only roughly 100 extra dmg on a weakspot hit which doesn’t net me better breakpoints for most enemies

[frank ether]

game behaves differently when you're solo vs when you're 4 but your teammates are afk

spawn rates are different

[terse idol]

Like me and my friend literally had to stick together because the other 2 guys would keep dying

[tall torrent]

Plus it’s a plasma gun and I don’t typically aim for headshots because of the pre-fire delay

[frank ether]

goofy ah AI director

[terse idol]

And we won eventually

[mystic belfry]

If you die it’s a skill issue, barring a rare glitch or something

[hollow turtle]

Lol the last guy who told me to uninstall was a guy who was salty I called him out when he shit talked the team and I told him his score on scoreboard was lowest across all categories.
His counter argument was, "STFU. I have more than one character at level 30."

[mystic belfry]

Even with no gear solo

[tall torrent]

Just new players

[frank ether]

a lot of those true solo videos have less kills/damage than I get in a 4 man auric and I dont say it to brag, I'm pretty average. Its just that game spawns a lot less stuff when you're solo (and speedrun the map)

[vague lintel]

Yeah its crazy people still get toxic with no mmr

[delicate moat]

vet feels paper thin on AM after this patch idk

[mystic belfry]

I also mean clutching here

[frank ether]

shout vet pretty tanky

[mystic belfry]

Play support with toughness generating talents

[delicate moat]

there's no toughness the instant fire touches u

[hollow turtle]

Just had a pub match where 3 of us were vets and all carried the different variations of MG Lasgun.
Wall of guns moment as a plague Ogryn approached us.

[delicate moat]

the fire spam has no chill

[hollow turtle]

Died before it got to us.

[mystic belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa00520-9539-4d67-bc41-d93aa21e9079/support-vet-14

That’s what I’ve been running for support

[crisp bronze]

Here is my current Melee build. Using a Power Sword 6 and Revolver. Revolver 2 shots Crushers, Maulers and Ragers. It 1 shots everything else. Power Sword deals with pretty much everything that gets close.

[mystic belfry]

You get toughness for days and so does your team

[karmic musk]

Is Power Sword getting nerfed again

[tiny summit]

It would be funny if focus fire from multiple vets would stack. "Commit exterminatus on that heretic gentlemen"

[vague lintel]

Ngl mk6 could probably use a small nerf lol

[mystic belfry]

The patch note are just listing things they already changed lol

[frank ether]

thats how fire works yes

[mystic belfry]

It was all in game with the skill tree rework

Idk why they say this is a hot patch

Maybe they did some glitches or something

[static lily]

I want to clear hordes with an autogun

[vague lintel]

I actually like this

[mystic belfry]

Killing floor 2 simulator

[static lily]

yes

[vague lintel]

Makes it much stronger of an area denial

[static lily]

but more like 1

[frank ether]

I mean it makes the game more complex so I like it too

[mystic belfry]

They’re making killing floor 3 btw

[frank ether]

what I think we could have as vet is

[static lily]

yeah

and it's going to be worse then 2

[frank ether]

have smoke grenades prevent fire

[static lily]

which was worse then 1

[mystic belfry]

Maybe, we’ll see

[static lily]

I hope they make it good

[mystic belfry]

Eh, not worse than one, just different

[static lily]

but I am not holding out hope for it to be good after 2

[torpid fractal]

speaking of making it good

can I make this good?

[static lily]

on launch and for years after it was

[winter ingot]

what blessings do you want on the Mk 5 autogun

[static lily]

and now it is again

[mystic belfry]

zweihander berserker is my jam tbh

Yeah it had a rough early game for sure

[frank ether]

you can replace bottom perk with flak

then you have a choice

[tiny summit]

Yes. When you read the post the hot fix was for crashes. They decided to just also add missing patch notes

[frank ether]

for blessings

[vague lintel]

Your stuck with one suboptimal thing other than that its good

[frank ether]

you either replace stripped down with dumdum and have this as infiltrate vet gun

or you replace raking for dumdum and then take duck n dive

the decision there is

are you a stealthy boi

[torpid fractal]

hmm

[frank ether]

or are you a sprinty boi

[vague lintel]

If you like melee id keep stripped

[cinder warren]

Thoughts on full CC Zelet (Eviscerator and flamer with the repent ability)

[frank ether]

either way is good but raking is underrated on infil vet with threat reduction

I have a separate iag just for that build

[cinder warren]

Wrong chat fuck

[vague lintel]

Its fine although i wouldnt take flamer with evis

[karmic musk]

Found the Vet traitor

[vague lintel]

Evis horde clears fine

And thats like flamers one thing

[cinder warren]

Hello vets how do you all like your rework?

[vague lintel]

Unless your going for something specific

[static lily]

hate it

[karmic musk]

Speaking of Flamers, you pretty much have to run it with Fury of the Faithful

[spark helm]

Works fine

[static lily]

simple as

[vague lintel]

Works fine for me

[karmic musk]

I swear its kept nerfed just cause of that ult

[vague lintel]

Point spread is a little annoying

[spark helm]

Right tree got cooler.

[torpid fractal]

I actually kinda fine with the remake but haven't spent too long with it yet and was a left tree andy anyway

[cinder warren]

I run it to stun lock

[spark helm]

And also vet is generally not going to be bad period.

[static lily]

idk feels shit

[crisp bronze]

Oi preacher. The priests are located down the hall!

[static lily]

I play anything else rn

[vague lintel]

His weapons are carrying him a little bit rn

Which helps

[spark helm]

Idk what you're doing that's making that happen but my vet experience is completely intact.

[vague lintel]

Plasma/iag/mk6 psword most notably

Laspistol too

[cinder warren]

Have a good day Guardsmen! Off I go to the Hall

[tiny summit]

It's weird to say "his weapons are carrying him" when his weapons and his skills are linked

[spark helm]

All of my builds still feel fine. I usually am going for a support utility regardless of how I'm going to be dealing dmg.

[frank ether]

biggest W for vet this patch

and I originally thought agile engagement was nuked but its still there

[spark helm]

Plus, you build around your weapons a lot regardless on vet because it's often needed.

At least that's how I think.

[tiny summit]

I still have 2 builds that are essentially the same as pre update. They do fine and I'm still at the top or fighting for the top dmg

[vague lintel]

Yeah thats what i do

[frank ether]

they need to raise that max build number to 10

[vague lintel]

I agree

[frank ether]

5 doesnt cut it

[vague lintel]

5 isnt enough anymore

[frank ether]

I need to make alterations for each weapon

[vague lintel]

Although theres a mod for that

[karmic musk]

I wouldn't hold my breath on that, they can't even change a - to a +

[spark helm]

The only time I'm really not thinking about what I'm doing is with middle tree. It's so safe you can mount almost anything on it with good firepower and you'll be fine.

[tiny summit]

Ol reliable

[frank ether]

will I piss off the programmers if I make the immeasurably complex joke here

[barren stratus]

it is depressing realizing how many veterans think 5% damage is worth giving up infinite ammo.

like what is the american education system coming to?

[sleek cairn]

lol wut

wut are we referencing here

[wanton dawn]

It is depressing realizing how many veteran think you need ammo regen on every build

[static lily]

it is

because why are you using a gun lol

[spark helm]

I was mentioning it in here before but everything that comes with middle tree are just things that are generally good in the shell of the game.

[earnest dew]

I mean in a perfect world people wouldn’t blow through ammo 24/7

[spark helm]

Also, survivalist is just nice. The addiction to it isn't necessary for me though lol

[tulip condor]

ya, middle vet tree is like core vet builds

[sleek cairn]

wait isnt this the tryhard channel? I thought we dont use survivalist here.

[barren stratus]

veteran has 2 auras that affect the game, one of which is amazing, and one of which is mediocre. And then there's the 5% damage aura, which has no effect on 99% of the game.

[spark helm]

Straight out of vermintide in terms of cornerstone design space.

[sleek cairn]

why are we talking casual play. stop it vet chat

become the elitists you already are

[spark helm]

?

[tall torrent]

I do think for the new map, survivalist is pretty clutch

[spark helm]

Idk whats going on I just like understanding my shit through and through. I don't do it the nerd way though I just try to understand interactions and what I can push.

[low wadi]

i want rampage for this right?

[spice wadi]

Remind me to buy coffee

[tiny summit]

It isn't say addiction for me, I just find 5% stats over free ammo to be underwhelming

[clear lark]

buy coffee

[sleek cairn]

tbh nobody cares whether you use survivalist or not. everybody just wants to win lol. i think ppl are just joking around

[spice wadi]

Thanks zoe

[onyx tusk]

beens

[clear lark]

i gotchu homie

[tulip condor]

same, I get understanding from gameplay experience

[sleek cairn]

also if ur being actually serious, it's the opportunity cost of saving points when u path middle or right tree.

A lot of vets do not touch left side anything from top to bottom.

[barren stratus]

exactly, 5% damage will not decrease the time to kill on any enemy except maybe bosses and crushers, and on them by a mediocre amount.

[earnest dew]

I’m going to run dmg aura out of spite now lol

[tulip condor]

i cant deal with the data technicalities behind it

[wraith locust]

5% dmg buff is not that bad

[delicate moat]

survivalist matters less for yourself, but really matters for your teammates

[sleek cairn]

the 5% dmg is a dead point, nobody actually cares about the dmg

[wraith locust]

its just ammo is much better

[sleek cairn]

it's the saving in 2 points.

[spark helm]

People can run numbers and obsess over charts which is totally valid. Some builds literally aren't going to be placing that on themselves and still performing well. Veteran is probably the only class that literally cannot be a boon even when underperforming during a mission from a player input angle.

[wraith locust]

and yea u save points

[sleek cairn]

anyway that's the serious answer. back to memes

[low wadi]

what blessings u want for chainsword for cleave?

[static lily]

it isn't if you have 2 psykers

[barren stratus]

While true, there is no combination of two points in the veteran talent tree that has the positive impact infinite ammo has on your team.

[static lily]

or a psyker

[spark helm]

Fatshark has to make the conscious choice to fundamentally break what the game already going on with it right now to make the logic of veterans' design irrelevant

[wraith locust]

have you heard about gun psyker

[delicate moat]

psyker could be running gunker

[wraith locust]

its really good

[static lily]

BS

[sleek cairn]

umm i wont discuss that. That's bait for @wanton dawn his eyes are wincing

[static lily]

I am the only one I have ever seen run it

[delicate moat]

gunker is really strong

[wraith locust]

revolver pusker is disgusting

[delicate moat]

this is patently false

[spark helm]

Gun psyker is fun. People are oussy.

[proper delta]

i miss shotgun psyker from the beta 😦

[sleek cairn]

i'd rather just peacefully enjoy vet. together as family

[delicate moat]

ive seen a lot of gunkers

[sleek cairn]

survivalist? sure! 5% dmg? sure! it all goes

[frank ether]

left tree too squishy and its the only keystone that does fuck all for your melee

[barren stratus]

Ideally, veterans shouldn't even have a choice in ammo aura. Just make it baseline of their class again, and replace the existing talent nodes with some other useless aura, like 5% increased impact.

because apparently, when given the choice, veteran players choose wrong.

[sour elbow]

I'm generally in the same camp, the problem is when you want to branch off to dip for things you discover you... can't, really.

[sleek cairn]

whoa man no need to bait that hard

[willow badger]

what do

[sleek cairn]

Plush gonna type harder

[wanton dawn]

Going ammo aura on melee vet is a very, very costly choice

[sleek cairn]

it's okay to use any aura, nobody's gonna complain.

[tulip condor]

i can see that

[sleek cairn]

Just win the damn round lol

[frank ether]

or dont shoot like a dumdum

[spark helm]

People equate having to do maybe like a few things to get the same results a bad thing. Some builds literally require your input for them to shine better.

Gun psyker would be one of them. Right tree vet is way easier to do it on rn compared to previous imo but you do gotta do shit for some things to work better

[barren stratus]

not sure that's possible for the average veteran player.

[tulip condor]

exactly

[spark helm]

That's their problem

Full stop

[frank ether]

there are also a good chunk of vet mains that seem to think suppression immunity is a must have perk

[barren stratus]

it's my problem when they vaccum up all the ammo packs on the map.

[frank ether]

I havent used it in months now and every game there are like 2-3 seconds where I'm reminded suppression exists

[sleek cairn]

those ppl dont exist. they only exist in my nightmares

[spark helm]

No patch is going to compensate for your inability to learn. That's what safe builds are for as well as safe classes that lean more into that

[wraith locust]

its bc its before one of the best vet perks

[spark helm]

Who?

[earnest dew]

Don’t worry a gun ogryn would’ve consumed the ammo anyways.

[sleek cairn]

same ppl who path specifically for survivalist? haha low blow i know. too soon. i regret saying it

[spark helm]

It's nice to have but it's definitely not mandatory unless maybe you're playing a certain way I guess.

[sleek cairn]

i mean no harm

[tall torrent]

I think they consider suppression immunity similar to ranged stun immunity lol

[frank ether]

its nice to have I agree but recently someone called me a troll in here for saying you dont need it lmao

its a noob trap I said

[spark helm]

Stun immunity perk I shit you not is there as an emergency reminder for you to get away

[frank ether]

now that its a mandatory choice for non-lasguns it doesnt matter

[spark helm]

If you're constantly popping it, you need to consider how you're positioning

[tall torrent]

Although
Suppression immunity is pretty nice on infantry lasguns I won’t lie

[spark helm]

And/or get better melee defense.

[frank ether]

stun immunity is nice for getting reloads off when you mess up

[spark helm]

It's a fun time. You get to be ignorant.

[frank ether]

actually I'm not sure if it still interrupts reloads

[wraith locust]

supression immunity is also rlly good on revolver

[sleek cairn]

gonna be honest i just miss grenade tinker

[wraith locust]

vs gunners

[sleek cairn]

lol

[frank ether]

yeah I miss tinkerer

[sleek cairn]

sigh my dear grenade tinker

[tiny summit]

My friend think suppression immunity is mandatory on his shout plasma vet

[frank ether]

I mean left tree having that stun immunity on toughness break is nice

but I wish it was just passive stun immunity

[spark helm]

I like it on laspistol a lot since I run n gun a lot.

Let's me play wilder for slightly longer.

[frank ether]

or at least make reloads uninterruptable or something

[sleek cairn]

in the most polite way, ask him to unfriend you

[frank ether]

Like comparing it to zealot

[wanton dawn]

Anyhow, here is a pretty basic revolver/melee vet. Try saving 2 points without feeling like shit to get survivalist.

[frank ether]

zealot gets a perk that makes them gain hp instead when they die

[spark helm]

I mean...sure ig? It's nice if you're wanting to have a failsafe for you to deal with ranged big boy shooters.

[sleek cairn]

near perfect actually. Your choice of toughness instead of 5% crit?

that tree is so near perfect for revolver melee vet, it's no longer basic. that's the ideal meta tree lol

[tiny summit]

I just tell him to aim better. Its plasma how are you missing

[wanton dawn]

Thoughness is actually my easiest save point

[sleek cairn]

oh really? how about duck n dive?

[spark helm]

Might need to get used to chaining shots. I aim I'm strike zones since the visuals make it hard for me to see sometimes when I'm not running exestance.

[wanton dawn]

It is not a save, you either pick one or the other imo

[sleek cairn]

i know

i choose stamina, then add 5% base crit

[wanton dawn]

I don't consume enough stam to justify it

[gusty bison]

Use the tag function

[sleek cairn]

then let go of the toughness at the bottom

[wanton dawn]

myself

[gusty bison]

Its a mini exec

[spark helm]

No need to tell me. I'm mashing that shit every time anyway before any of these new changes.

[wanton dawn]

I get it for thoughness regen and again, it is actually a flexible point

[sleek cairn]

tbh it's all so close that ur right, it's just flavor at this point

[spark helm]

I don't know hy people don't ping

I really dont.

[gusty bison]

Button press too hard

[wanton dawn]

The point is that you are really hard pressed to save 2 point from it

[spark helm]

You just weave it in. Boom. That's it. That's the move.

[gusty bison]

Like people literally have whined that vet mid keystone is too situational and unreliable.

XD

[frank ether]

its pretty good actually

[spark helm]

...

[wanton dawn]

Cuz you either lose iron will or 25% dmg on swap or revolver reload on swap

[spark helm]

[frank ether]

the damage from the focus mark itself is whatever

but the toughness generation

[sleek cairn]

lol this tree is so strong i can't imagine wut ur doing in ur matches. Probably solo auric maelstrom with no bots and 200% dmg mods

[frank ether]

I did not expect that at all

[spark helm]

In what fucking world is information bad?

Who are these people

I'm mad now

[gusty bison]

I was talking about regular tagging there but ye the mid keystone vibe

[pastel geode]

Tik tok gremlins probably XD

[spark helm]

In what world is mid tree ping bad?

[frank ether]

to be fair we were only shown the base keystone and no one expected toughness generation on focus to be that high

[spark helm]

BRO IT MAKES YOU THE SAFEST CLASS IN YHE GAME. IF YOURE DOWN YOU STILL PROVIDE BOONS

BRUH WHAT IS GOING ON

[wanton dawn]

No I am a terrible player i lose all my games

Ask around they will tell you

[spark helm]

I'm

[sleek cairn]

@wanton dawn tree's strong enough to just make ppl watch u play the whole session solo. u use them as an excuse to spawn more mobs.

[gusty bison]

Their complaint wasnt that the buff wasnt significant. It was that it was too unreliable

[pastel geode]

Clicking middle mouse button is too hard

[gusty bison]

Because it needed a ping

[spark helm]

Wh--

[primal trellis]

the fact that the damage buff stacks to your cap stacks (so 8) even if you just ping with 1 stack at a time makes it just a constant pretty good buff on your team

[spark helm]

PING

let me find out these are saltzpyre witch hunter

Istg

Bro

[sleek cairn]

have u told them about our lord n savior, LMB binded ping?

[tall torrent]

As someone who pings enemies all the time so I can see them better, it’s no issue for me

[sleek cairn]

it's the other extreme side of the spectrum

neverending ping.

[spark helm]

"Information is too situational"

Woah

Holy shit

Wow

Do you have eyes?

[wanton dawn]

In any case, my preferred build right now is "support" plasma. I find it less volatile than melee vet

[gusty bison]

Aye we are just making fun of people that said pinging is too situational and hard.

[pastel geode]

Lost them on Cadia

[frank ether]

I mean the base keystone it kind of is outside of bosses its joever who cares but the modifiers are crazy good

[sleek cairn]

"support" plasma my ass. if u linked me that tree it's probably OP as fk too

ur basic trees are literally the top of the meta trees lol

[gusty bison]

Btw these are the same people that say 10-15% per second team toughness regen is bad because everyone is either full or 0 toughness almost all the time

[wanton dawn]

#1158835044006232215 message

[umbral scaffold]

all 3 keystones are good imo, left one is fine too if you spam dodge to move.

[spark helm]

Hopefully accessibility developments gaming help

[spark helm]

...

[frank ether]

using dodge to move around is a terrible idea 💀

[spark helm]

That's literally self admission to being bad.

[static lily]

iirc right is still bugged as shit lol

[spark helm]

I'm going to cry

[hollow ibex]

How so?

[static lily]

crit applies only on 1 shot

[spark helm]

I don't understand how middle is supposedly too situational

What the fuck

[pastel geode]

I witnessed a knife plasma vet at level 25 yesterday, he tried to speedrun carnival damnation, failed, and quit

[hollow ibex]

Ooof

[crisp bronze]

I also saw something about the Focus Target stacks stacking multiplicatively with themselves instead of additively? Apparently in testing the max damage bonus was 37%~ instead of the expected 32%. I haven't tested it myself.

[sleek cairn]

chose frags? interesting. to relieve pressure for teammates?

[spark helm]

ANY dmg bonus provided from a ping is amazing. Bitch, pinging is a dps increase cuz idk

[frank ether]

Compared to other classes all vet keystones are situational, cause other classes get to have them work by existing

[spark helm]

SHOOT THE FUCKING RED OUTLINED GUY

Bro

Mfkers just bad sometimes.

[frank ether]

My issue is the inconsistency in design

[wanton dawn]

Frags is the better CC grenade. Kraks is tech for monstro mod

[umbral scaffold]

usually yeah, but it keeps up the focus stacks if you want them and need to just move to hit shots

[static lily]

ping is fine

[frank ether]

where you give ogryns and zealots power for existing

[pastel geode]

It’s not red though

[static lily]

but it is too much investment imho

[gusty bison]

Oh and my personal favourite.

"You arent gonna be able to keep pace with you pings for killing"

[spark helm]

@pastel geode red yellow it don't matter. Shoot the highlight

[sleek cairn]

shout + frag is pretty overkill tho

[pastel geode]

XD

[sleek cairn]

i mean ur already a tank

[spark helm]

[sleek cairn]

lol

i guess mr.craime wants to be an omega tank

[spark helm]

I'm gonna have a stroke at this rate

[final locust]

yo

hows the new update

[wanton dawn]

Krak is not that useful outside of monstro with plasma. Also I have unyielding PS anyway

[frank ether]

I put mark on Q and spam it like I'm playing battlefield 4 again

[sleek cairn]

ah that explains it. I bring krak explicitly for monstros too.

when using shout i just rarely use frags

[gusty bison]

Oh and another favourite of mine.

"When people are at low toughness theres usually nothing to ping anyway"

[crisp bronze]

Weapon Specialist works by literally just playing the game. Unless you don't swap weapons, which... I mean I think I've played with a few people where that might be an issue lol.

[wanton dawn]

The only monstro I kinda dislike to handle is BoN cuz it is hard to melee in tight spoace

[earnest dew]

I mean telling a crusher to buzz off is a perfectly good reason to use it.

[pastel geode]

Did frags get buffed that much?

[frank ether]

It does but have you considered I activate my zealot keystone by... literally existing?

[spark helm]

What? What does this have to do with you hitting a ping? Wh?

[frank ether]

some random poxburster explodes halfway across the map and my zealot keystone procs

[wanton dawn]

Frags is worse than it should be but still the better option against melee elite ambush

[sharp epoch]

Explosive damage on monstrosities got nerfed pretty hard too

[spark helm]

Is this reddit?

[pastel geode]

Yes

[spark helm]

Like this is some reddit shit

Okay I'm not crqzy

[gusty bison]

Their argument was there were no elites or specials to ping in those cases

[sharp epoch]

so Krak and Rumbler don't really shred bosses the way they used to

[sleek cairn]

but u have ur awesome F button

im sure a few plasma shots and F will do

[frank ether]

frags have been nerfed twice and are also currently bugged

[gusty bison]

Like during the times when the team toughness is low

[sleek cairn]

anyway i dont mind frag, i was only curious

[empty creek]

bugged how

[spark helm]

Witch hunter got placed on mercenary Kruber with a fucking gun and I'm supposed to believe that I'm at a disadvantage

[wanton dawn]

In general when ambushed you get enemy in every direction and you don't want to let go of your melee weapon

[frank ether]

they were affected by bleed nerfs in P14/15 and they no longer to explosion damage.

[spark helm]

In what world

[frank ether]

the frag AoE only applies bleeds now

thats all it does

[wanton dawn]

Plasma is specifically good against conga elite line

[frank ether]

bleed and knockback

[spark helm]

Okay actually that's valid lol

[fathom grail]

This is the internet

[empty creek]

go figure, i was wondering Y my shit wasn’t actually killing on explosion, was forced 2 use kraks which im not happy AB

[frank ether]

so a single frag is not enough to kill even the most basic chaff like poxwalker

[umbral scaffold]

wait so frag grenades literally dont do initial dmg?

[wanton dawn]

When circled by elite PS and frags are better

[frank ether]

even if you detonate the frag right under the poxwalker, its not enough to kill, cause again zero explosion damage

[pastel geode]

The school of bad takes

[wanton dawn]

No. Still stagger and still kill elite when you throw 3 at once

[sleek cairn]

i thought shout + PS would be ok

lol its not like shouting makes u switch weps

[wanton dawn]

You don't always have shout 🤷

[empty creek]

homie screaming

[wanton dawn]

Melee elite are not special

[sleek cairn]

oh right mid tree gets more nade regen

ur right craime

i totally forgot mid tree is like nade powerhouse lol

[wanton dawn]

Frags is a tech I took a lot in no ammo maelstrom in p13 and p14. It is now good in every maelstrom cuz enemy density is through the roof this patch

[sleek cairn]

i'd freakin put smokes to good use on mid tree

[wanton dawn]

Now even taking kraks in monstro maelstrom feels risky

Cuz frags are so good at creating spaces

[crisp bronze]

All 3 nodes above shout are related to grenades in some way lol.

[sleek cairn]

yeah i meant everything after shout. just the 5% nade on elite

that extra point makes the frags a lot more reliable to throw lol

[wanton dawn]

Sunder is my other favored tech

trivialized rager and mauler

and bulwark

[sleek cairn]

he's shout + frag, so i was creating scenarios where i wanted so much CC

in my head

Craime is teaching me

all nade regen nodes + frag + shout

why do it, and when to use it

[wanton dawn]

It is "support" vet

[sleek cairn]

lol

[crisp bronze]

It's also the only tree with a keystone that affects your grenades in anyway. Tag something and it will take more damage from them. The other 2 do nothing for nades.

[wanton dawn]

Seriously though, this is my kind of support vet. You don't take any shit that don't at least benefit you in some way

[sleek cairn]

True, but i was deciding between krak vs frag on his build

[gusty bison]

Yea their argument was that the biggest threat was poxwalkers

Which...

Uhhhb

[sharp epoch]

Taking survivalist and grenade talents makes it harder to reach keystone and the survivabillity talents

[pastel geode]

Wat

[empty creek]

keystones R cool but aren’t important if ur trying 2 make smthng that works

[wanton dawn]

The thing I am losing with my build is mostly damage stat node

Losing the 10% melee damage feels terrible

[sleek cairn]

dude i can't give that up

i've seen the light

[crisp bronze]

They decreased the damage of kraks against monstrosities but tag it first and that krak will regain it's former glory.

[vivid current]

Na its gunners imo. Poxealkers can be shoved

[spark helm]

All vet is support vet

[sleek cairn]

i will never let the 10% melee go. Same for Agile engagement

[gusty bison]

It was a joke

XD

[spark helm]

It's the greatest scam since utility bills

[tall torrent]

That is probably the strongest travel node in the game rn

[wanton dawn]

You can remove tinkerer from my build i think. You don't lose damage on it (this patch)

[gusty bison]

Or rather

[empty creek]

bait or bad

[sharp epoch]

I'm taking smokes now to get those

😭

[gusty bison]

Their opinion was a joke

[vivid current]

Bad joke. Stinky piss joke too.

[frank ether]

you can stack gunner resistance on curios if thats what you struggle against

[sleek cairn]

well in ur crazy ass CC build, im not sure how much u want lol

[frank ether]

I've seen a lot of people doing that

[empty creek]

EVIL opinion… 😈

[spark helm]

I'm literally one of the best veterans to have in an auric 5 run.

It's a joke

And vets are support

[empty creek]

me

[wanton dawn]

Well, it is what, 2 days since patch ? I am still experimenting

[vivid current]

Damnation with 20 gunners shoot with 100% accuracy?

[sharp epoch]

i am the strongest veteran

[wanton dawn]

Also I am a shit vet player

[sleek cairn]

dont shit on smokes tho, they're very good

[empty creek]

im biggest strognest veteran everybody knows me

I love war & killing randomly

[pastel geode]

I have a shotgun

[low wadi]

what are some s-tier vet ranged wep rn

[vivid current]

Smokes are good...nobody appricates them.

[spark helm]

@sharp epoch right on I'm just conpetent

[sleek cairn]

Smokes can really change the way u position lol

[brazen meadow]

I’m the weakest veteran come at me dog

[crisp bronze]

If you're playing the new map a lot (which you will because everyone else is) then smoke actually really good. Tons of long sightlines full of gunners.

[gusty bison]

Smokes are ok. Its just thr tax if u wanna go survivalist is AaaaaaaaA

[spark helm]

I like them

[umbral scaffold]

love smokes when the game throws 15 gunners at you

[sleek cairn]

aha yeah but i never run survivalist.

[wanton dawn]

Plasma/revolver/ps seems to be the most meta option in auric rn

[vivid current]

But do you use them?

[gusty bison]

Monster :P

[empty creek]

weakest veteran (7 foot tall pure-nubian warrior prince)

[sleek cairn]

oh you know me. combat axe dont need survivalist.

[spark helm]

I use regularly in my right tree builds unless I feel like a krak is worth it

[pastel geode]

https://tenor.com/view/dow-warhammer-40k-for-the-emperor40k-gif-25351038

[wanton dawn]

Note that I define S tier by efficiency+popularity

[empty creek]

the lower right tree makes life easier

[sleek cairn]

when i go right tree i often run krak for boss because i dont have the OP middle keystone 25k dmg for tagging.
I need to level the playing field ok

[wanton dawn]

There might be some gem that have not been properly used yet

[spark helm]

@empty creek lowkey it carries me with weapons I'm not good with yet lmao

[wanton dawn]

Agri brauto still feels strong

[spark helm]

Free stat steroid

[empty creek]

same

[wanton dawn]

I don't like weakspot weapon so no IAG or lasgun for me

[crisp bronze]

I don't because of the point tax for ammo but I might start using the movement aura instead. I love the smoke grenades.

[empty creek]

ive been trying 2 figure out a SMG build & it’s been my crutch since all the SMG does is stagger everything

[sleek cairn]

but u run revolver

[gusty bison]

Really its personal pref but

• revolver
• IAGs
• plasma
• vraks 7 HH
• Helbore

All these can be considered S tier ranged.

For melee

• Power Sword 6 (3 is fine but 6 is better if u can use it)
• Devil claw
• Combat Axe with brutal momentum

[spark helm]

I just like making sure the boss can't play the game

Krak grenade funny

[sleek cairn]

krak is my jealousy for middle keystone handling bosses so well.

it's my cope.

[wanton dawn]

Melee revolver is centered around melee. Not hitting all weakspot

[gusty bison]

Dont ask me to name the A tier lol. The A tier is basically almost everything else

[sleek cairn]

cuz i decided to be filthy right

[spark helm]

Right is fine and fun though

[empty creek]

the power sword is not S tier, people think it’s amazing but that’s just BC it’s a crutch up until they’re fighting a horde while down a teammate or smthn

[low wadi]

hmm ok maybe i give revo a try, almost only used braced auto

[empty creek]

it’s like low A @ the very most

[spark helm]

Like straight up It's just fun. Enables you to actually have better mobility and rewarded for playing risky but solid

[wanton dawn]

Powersword is definitely S tier and definitely a good weapon against horde

[pastel geode]

Krak grenades are therapeutic when the ogryns bunch up and get multi-killed

[sleek cairn]

right is crazy strong on single shot weps. I only play right most of the time

[gusty bison]

It has an amazing moveset. Ur thinking of the wrong sword

[empty creek]

power swords R mid

use a weapon w/ some chest hair

[sleek cairn]

he might be bait. be careful

[spark helm]

I need to build up some shot guns

[sleek cairn]

nobody says power swords are mid, dont believe him

he's just pulling ur leg

[proper delta]

are both power swords good

[empty creek]

naw this is real, i think the parry swords & shovels perform better than power swords

[waxen veldt]

What do with this?

[wanton dawn]

Build me a mixed horde scenario and I will tell you immediately if PS can handle it

[spark helm]

I don't care about pswords tbh because they feel bad for me without the power cycler thing or whatever

[devout atlas]

"power swords are bad when you need to fight a horde" man what

[gusty bison]

6 is better with skilled use but 3 is easier to use

[spark helm]

???

[sleek cairn]

i dont think u need to sell the psword on mixed horde when it's like.. guaranteed to solve all mixed hordes LOL

[empty creek]

talking fighting a horde that isn’t coming from 1 direction

[low wadi]

im currently using chainsword , guess its a-tier?

[frank ether]

wha

[gusty bison]

Solid high A

[spark helm]

I mean ngl

[frank ether]

who said that

[empty creek]

yeah, down a teammate or smthn where enemies could be behind

[crisp bronze]

At this point the "Squad Leader" (not Commisar!) Vet is doubling as the "Demo Expert". Krak grenades, improved Kraks, regenerating kraks, detour for 1 more krak in the pockets, twinned kraks, kraks from crates, and finally kraks from kills.

[sleek cairn]

He's bait guys, doooon't

[spark helm]

I'd rather use another weapon for cleave compared to power sword sometimes.

[low wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174777724729040928/image.png?ex=6568d403&is=65565f03&hm=71c894a2d923c56c57a4c0d6f3b51039b66243b9a7ba5ba780ada8373df4b4e7&

pretty good stats

[devout atlas]

yeah that's bait

[spark helm]

Devil claw is way better than it ever used to be. Fucking amazing now

[pastel geode]

Psword are definitely overused and I prefer cswords sure but it’s not bad

[gusty bison]

Like Combat Axe?

[wanton dawn]

Chances are I can just link my video history anyway

[empty creek]

this isn’t bait bruh i think having 2 activate ur weapon is a little too much on shit like auric damnation

prefer a devil claw over ps

[frank ether]

do you have power cycler?

[sleek cairn]

nobody believes u

[gusty bison]

Yea Dclaw is also great but not as good vs mauler/rager now that handcannon bug is fixed

[sleek cairn]

it's okay to just sit down, and sip some coffee

[frank ether]

thats bait

[empty creek]

IK 😢

[frank ether]

there is no way

thats just bait

[sleek cairn]

Sir, i dont believe u either.

[devout atlas]

you don't even need to activate it... BM alone on mk6 is often enough, you get 3 entire charged swings between a tiny tiny downtime

[sleek cairn]

lol

[empty creek]

i figured

[spark helm]

I do bcuz I run aurics. Its sometimes just more comfy without psword

[pastel geode]

Csword is better than devil’s claw

[sleek cairn]

wait you aren't bait, you're being serious?

[empty creek]

maybe im just mid & can’t make it work, ive tried both PS & neither felt good on my end

[gusty bison]

Oh i can agree psword 6 isnt that comfy

[empty creek]

no U got me bruh im bait

[devout atlas]

with power cycler, yes?

[empty creek]

yea im serious

[sleek cairn]

#veteran-class message Solo auric maelstrom psword - Azreal

[empty creek]

yes, that’s the multi-hit thing so U can have multiple powered swings, right

[devout atlas]

yea

[frank ether]

Its a fair trade you give up mobility you get insane clears in return

[spark helm]

Like weaving in the energy swings isn't like terrible terrible but some days I really just want to engage and keep engaging even after dodges and shoves.

Plus ain't claw got more dodge?

[tiny igloo]

I like the versatility of the csword. You can heavy sweep for hordes and active heavy for big bois. Lights for small groups of fodder.

[empty creek]

yeah w/ that

[frank ether]

I think ps is balanced where it is

[proper delta]

what blessings do i want on knife for right tree

[sleek cairn]

I mean what more than to link azreal's post here of his solo auric maelstrom run with psword?

u said it can't handle auric damnation

he's one-upping that

[devout atlas]

if you're taking the +1 bleed talent, mercy killer + uncanny goes hard

[bronze atlas]

melk please you're embarrasing yourself

[gusty bison]

Ye. It deffo is a weapon that takes effort. But its worth the effort.

[empty creek]

my current favorite is a devilclaw w/ both of it’s blessings giving me a shitton of impact which makes it kind-of feel like the shovel sometimes which i really fuck w/

[spark helm]

It definitely can. I just don't like the mechanics of using it. Combos and shit matter a lot more on psword than csword imo

[sleek cairn]

Just watch the vid @empty creek maybe it will enlighten u?

it's one thing to see it in action on a solo run

[gusty bison]

Psword also isnt as good at dodging that other weapons so ur more reliant on stagger timings and blocks

[spark helm]

Plus the parry has solid enough cleave when ramped up

[frank ether]

Its just too damn satisfying I mean a d.claw is perfectly fine but kinda like helbore its more of an acquired taste thing

[gusty bison]

Agreed

[empty creek]

true, apparently i just don’t know the method

[spark helm]

Where is it

[gusty bison]

Didnt crab havr a psword video?

[pastel geode]

Claw got half the damage of chainsword and none of the utility aside from a blocking gimmick

[sleek cairn]

Again, Powersword 6 solo auric maelstrom by Azreal (vet): #veteran-class message

Seriously, im not here to argue, just linking evidence and recorded gameplay by someone here.

u can form ur opinion again after

[empty creek]

the parry can easily BTFO all bosses, pipe down

it’s like training wheels

gemmy as hell

[wanton dawn]

Granted it is last patch

[sleek cairn]

i mean it's stronger this patch

since he's revolver

[wanton dawn]

No, current spawn makes it probably harder

[pastel geode]

I was baiting lol chill

[spark helm]

Yeah no bro is doing what's normal with psword. I legit just drop the rhythm sometimes is what I'm saying.

[sleek cairn]

Oh true, spawn changes

[empty creek]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-you-anakin-star-wars-gif-10358450

[frank ether]

melee vet is stronger in general

but nerfing psword based on that would be stupid

the other two keystones dont get any attack speed at all

[wanton dawn]

The problem this patch is not individual strenght. It is the ai director spawn behavior

[wraith locust]

nerf psword

[spark helm]

And I can't get the rhythm without investing in power cycler. I don't have the patience.

Unless you don't need max power cycler

[wraith locust]

@darcy

[spark helm]

...then well...

[sleek cairn]

this is often overlooked. heck i was blinded and forgot about this too

[gusty bison]

Psword atm requires effort and skill to perfect. And its possible to fuck up.

Risk - Effort - Reward trade off is there

[pastel geode]

Rip Darcy

[crisp bronze]

Power Sword 6 doesn't even have that complicated of combos tbh. Activate, three lights, repeat. Works on anything. Wanna say kark you in particuler? Activate, push attack, light. Thats really it.

[empty creek]

there were longer powersword blades in the customization mod so maybe zealot might get them @ some point

[frank ether]

cycler 3 is allright, 4 feels fantastic

[slow spade]

Powersword is the most complex weapon Vet has to offer UwU

[sleek cairn]

@wanton dawn what are some things u've done to mitigate the AI director changes

[spark helm]

Wait really?

[gusty bison]

The combos arent hard but the execution timings vs some enemies are narrower than some other weapons

[wanton dawn]

Also PS was stronger last patch because of tinkerer stun immunity prevventing us from losing charge

[gusty bison]

Like ragers

[spark helm]

Idr what it felt like

[wanton dawn]

Having stagger on all my weapons

[spark helm]

Cuz I'd weave push attack for carapace stabs or something.

[gusty bison]

Having to power block cancel parry the firsr swing and pattack into headshot to stagger the rager before the combo kicks in is non trivial

[spark helm]

Then just chained heavy/lights on empower

[crisp bronze]

I would say I had a tougher time learning parry timings on Devil's Claw than Power Sword combos.

[gusty bison]

Its not hard with practice but its not like shovel

[empty creek]

real AF

[gusty bison]

Where you look remotely in their direction and press special

XD

[empty creek]

if me looking @ m1 doesn’t instantly throw every single enemy across my screen, my melee weapons don’t have enough stagger

[near sable]

agripper shotgun on vet seems p good rn

[spark helm]

Might just be different foundational thought on approaches.

I'm always thinking of snappy defense to keep momentum over just overwhelming with aggression.

[sleek cairn]

oh my god, with ur plasma build i should've guessed it LOL

[frank ether]

you could say d.claw is that but without the activation or the block cancel part, and instead of doing activate push attack you just press parry and sit. Oh also you just lose energized if you take a hit if I don't recall wrong

[spark helm]

And the new parry swords not being shit makes them very attractive for me.

Plus right tree is all about stamina management too so

[sleek cairn]

mrcraime's can't-touch-this build

[gusty bison]

Can be. Take reload speed buffs with it

Its worth it

[empty creek]

they’re pretty badass, but parrying can eat up stamina really fucking quick if U aren’t smart AB time & place

[near sable]

I miss the days of putting 24 rounds down range with f

[wanton dawn]

Really though, I switched from melee vet build cuz i felt a lot of pressure in melee. Granted, this is still 2 days after patch

[empty creek]

no amount of perks can save U from being stupid

[near sable]

although left tree with the shotgun is putting out some crazy numbers even on carapace with its 6% damage against it

[wanton dawn]

Also enemy ranged density also increased a lot

[spark helm]

Main reason why I make sure my overall defense is fine. I never just parry for parry sake unless I want to show off to myself

[gusty bison]

Oh speaking of.

I tested that agri shotty build.

Its very funny.

[near sable]

today I will do 3600 crit ws on crusher with my best friend

[frank ether]

I'd like to see some recordings of that. Actually considering investing in agri shotty because of you now

[empty creek]

personally, it makes the bigass groups of ragers on T5auric non-issue which is nice

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/slug-gloob-glubby-creature-gif-27076906

[wanton dawn]

Plus I literally have 0 ideas of what is good below auric maelstrom difficulty

[gusty bison]

Tmr

Today. I slp

XD

[empty creek]

any instances where i parry besides that is just 4 fun or bosses

[frank ether]

eepy

[sleek cairn]

the pressure isnt so bad when u feel like a god from weapon specialist

lol

[candid bridge]

The missile is eepy

[crisp bronze]

That's very fair. I should mention I said that as someone who loves the Devil's Claw mk 4. It's my closest to perfect weapon. I have been on a bit of a power sword binge tho. My first one ever got slaughterer 3 and power cycler 4.

[spark helm]

Weapon specialist also just guarantees any swapped gunplay from me to be juiced the fuck up. Stuff like the suppression on close kill make my defense more flexible. I can literally be aggressive to guarantee space.

[wanton dawn]

My issue with weapon specialist is that there is some times when you cannot get easy melee kills

[frank ether]

melee vets eating good

[sleek cairn]

hell i think it has value as long as it lets my tap Q twice to chamber my revolver once

[frank ether]

but on my shout build I like to just take agile engagement and keep going down middle

[spark helm]

So sometimes I can't pay attention but the parry attack cleaves and has solid stagger right?

[wanton dawn]

Also melee vet has hard time getting survivalist

As I've shown

[frank ether]

focus mark is my build for carrying bads

morale support

[sleek cairn]

sometimes if im being stupid, i reload my whole revolver by spamming Q the whole match lol

cuz i feel like it.

unbind my R button

[wanton dawn]

While I think survivalist is not always required, it is still necessary a lot of times

[frank ether]

I like that weapon specialist is good at its base unlike the other two keystones

[spark helm]

That's insanely fortunate lol. I deleted all of my characters after the class overhaul to experience leveling them with the new changes. Currently veteran is the only one I have and I haven't had any luck with blessings yet.

[frank ether]

it can be taken on its own

I mean marksman is lame no matter what lmao

[empty creek]

yes, even w/o the stagger blessings, it can put multiple ragers on the floor in a ~5 second animation

it’s pretty tight

[spark helm]

So me having to use the less popular ones has given me a lot of time to genuinely experiment with how I can get away with some things.

[sleek cairn]

but ur right, with wep specialist i always fish for a melee kill before shooting

[empty creek]

all attacks except 4 grabs & the overheads from crushers & maulers can be parried too

[spark helm]

I have a lot of weapons that most people would just straight up ignore the blessings for.

[frank ether]

thats when you just do the shooty

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but then you feel ammo pressure

[frank ether]

also right tree has multiple ways to close gaps even though some of them are unoptimal

[sleek cairn]

SMOKES hahaha

[frank ether]

you get invisibility, you get smokes, you get %10 extra movement speed at all times

[sleek cairn]

no seriously i have so much fun with smokes on Vent purge and lights out

Silent Hill treatment for the bois

[empty creek]

my beloved

[spark helm]

These combat utility blessings uh...idk they kinda good.

[sleek cairn]

i dont get to see, YOU dont get to see. they dont get to see.