#2021_summer

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charred roost
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Oh lol

pulsar ridge
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a capper polarbear i see

charred roost
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loo's campus looked kinda depressing on google street view lol

pulsar ridge
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it is

soft hound
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dam bro y everyone gotta flame loo campus

charred roost
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rip

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Agreed

lunar dagger
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Yeah I heard loo is only good for internships

charred roost
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All the pictures of the Vancouver campus looked beautiful

pulsar ridge
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hey new engineering is nice, everything else is bad :D

soft hound
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neet

pulsar ridge
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*new engineering

charred roost
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sad faculty of maths hours

vital elbow
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no response = no L is my motto from now on

fallow shuttle
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every app is an L is my motto

charred roost
fallow shuttle
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I never leave the eng part of my campus lol

pulsar ridge
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same

charred roost
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lmao

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lol

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the old buildings on both campuses got similar styles

upbeat fossil
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🤔 going to class🤔

pulsar ridge
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keener

lunar dagger
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Bruh ngl uoft mad pretty

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And it's right in the middle of the city too

charred roost
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Yee that's what I liked about UofT

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NYU kinda similar, just in the middle of a city

lunar dagger
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I love living in the city

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Lmaoo

charred roost
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rip

pulsar ridge
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you're also a neet sooooo

charred roost
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i've never seen someone aspire to be a neet before lol

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lol

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good thinking

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šŸ‘€

pulsar ridge
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:^D

vital elbow
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what is loo

lunar dagger
vital elbow
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damn British

fallow shuttle
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battle of waterloo

steady obsidian
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man fuck TC, I just wanna be happy

terse torrent
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anyone want job

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theres job

silk ridge
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i clicked apply hope i get job

night surge
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Letter of rec monkaS

abstract wagon
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500 word statement of purpose and letter of rec sounds toxic

night surge
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That’s a cover letter

charred roost
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college application throwback

night surge
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I thought it couldn’t get worse

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Than college apps

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At least they don’t ghost me

silk ridge
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they make you pay for the rejection letter tho

charred roost
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It really has just been downhill since then

abstract wagon
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$75 per rejection

night surge
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I have to pay to send scores too sadge

abstract wagon
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college is a scam

charred roost
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true

abstract wagon
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all i do is scream at my computer all day i didnt sign up for this

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i didnt pay $30k to click mute / video off every class

steady obsidian
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my university is going fully back to normal fall 2021

river sable
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samesies

steady obsidian
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fuck covid, all my homies hate covid

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we getting blacked out every football game folks!

oak patio
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Anyone do the hiring manager interview for qualtrics?

sage hinge
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Anyone ever successfully push a summer internship to spring

abstract wagon
sly egret
final hawk
ionic bronze
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Yeah now that i think about it

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why the fuck did it cost $75/app in college when companies do it for free

steady obsidian
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Welcome to Texas babyyyyy

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Shit opened up a week ago

twilit mesa
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but tbf texas made it so everyone eligible to get the vaccine on march 29

ionic bronze
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poogers

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I can't wait to get mine tomorrow

dark junco
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I think nationwide everyone is eligible May 1

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So fall can def be normal

silk ridge
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ontario monkaS

dark junco
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Vaccine is one thing the U.S. is actually doing a good job with

nova knoll
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Florida just announced April 5th for everyone eligible

restive falcon
steady obsidian
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new years all I did was leetcode okay,
valententine's day all I was did was stuck inside of my house because of the blizzard in Texas okay,

see what's about to happen next okay
okay
okay```
abstract wagon
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Hey

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What's salesforce's process for internships?

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@ me

formal finch
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Is PayPal better than Tesla?

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Looking for most resume impact

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PayPal have weird start date for it’s coop

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So, I have to decide if it’s worth doing everything for PayPal or just take tesla offer

turbid river
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I would think Tesla seems better but the difference is like negligible

formal finch
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Sweet! That’s what I thought tbh

split fractal
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yeah I would tend to side with Tesla as well, even with the lower intern pay

polar valley
formal finch
charred roost
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Isn't that more of a co-op type thing then?

polar valley
formal finch
charred roost
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Ah

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Co-op pretty OP but $TSLA is $TSLA

formal finch
formal finch
polar valley
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@formal finch could you share your* story of success in dm pls serious

formal finch
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Quick story : it’s just cold emailing ppl

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U have to be persistent and make your emails straight to the point and not a lot text. Send the email on Tuesday thru Thursday during lunch time of the recruiter’s time zone

night surge
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wise words

polar valley
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How did you get an email

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Is it even legal?

velvet badge
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No it isn’t

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They arrest you if you send more than 10 a day

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Or if you buy premium plan you can do 25

polar valley
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Which app is it or something?

velvet badge
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Lol I’m kidding dude

charred roost
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They are joking lol

velvet badge
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Obv it’s not illegal

charred roost
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Cold emailing is fine

velvet badge
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Usually on LinkedIn

charred roost
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Just don't bombard them with a million emails

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and you'll be fine

velvet badge
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Find recruiters on there

polar valley
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I am hearing about cold emails for the first time

velvet badge
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Wasn’t lying about premium tho you might need LinkedIn premium to message some recruiters

night surge
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wait so linkedin is fine

velvet badge
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Anything is fine

night surge
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do i ask to move to email

split fractal
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just bombard them

velvet badge
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It’s not like they blacklist you if you spam

split fractal
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no one cares

velvet badge
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It don’t fkn matter

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Exactly

charred roost
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oh

night surge
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wait question

split fractal
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all you need is 1 person to get into the pipeline

velvet badge
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You might get hit with a glock though KEKW

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Block****

night surge
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so when i send connect message its 300 characters

polar valley
split fractal
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they don't have time to worry about a tiny intern

night surge
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is that really all i get 300 characters?

charred roost
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night surge
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glock

split fractal
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alright imma crowdsource this decision

charred roost
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tho a glock might be possible if the company is a yee yee ass company

split fractal
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which gif should i pick for linkedin

velvet badge
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Imagine recruiters having glocks on deck

formal finch
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Fun fact I got blocked by Msft recruiter

cyan valley
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def 1st.

velvet badge
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Second

charred roost
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Second

formal finch
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Second one

velvet badge
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First one is over dramatic

formal finch
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Most ppl don’t know that N represents Netflix

cyan valley
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^ 🧢

charred roost
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First one is cool looking but full company name is better

night surge
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it shouldnt matter

split fractal
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kk, whatever maximizes recruiter eyes

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night surge
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is that really all i get 300 characters for linkedin messaging?

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like as in connect message

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bc i dont think i can send more until i get the glock

velvet badge
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Glock? KEKW

night surge
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yeah sadge

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they got shooters

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on my block

polar valley
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@formal finch could you share your text you send to recruiter pls
I am having mental block on writing essays because of school

formal finch
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Just talk bout how you exp matches the role that you applying for

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Also mentioned that you applied to the role

night surge
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wait essay

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?

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i thought there was a cap

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oh wait, connect message, then essay with messaging?

velvet badge
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ā€œHi my name is FAANGbuster69420,

I do Leetcode 16 hours a day, please hire me. Thankā€

polar valley
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🤣🤣 also worship elon musk

ionic bronze
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this one time a recruiter at microsoft was overly enthusiastic and was asking me if i wanted to schedule an interview

i said no cuz i had plans for the summer, and then she immediately hung up like mid sentence

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:/

charred roost
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rip

ionic bronze
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it's like they don't care for anyone other than candidates Cry

lunar dagger
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To be fair they're a recruiter... If you're not a candidate, then what's the point?

lethal ore
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At least the recruiter responded

lunar dagger
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Like it's still ride to hang up mid call tho lmao

velvet badge
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Would’ve definitely installed a virus on my windows pc after that

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Just to get back at the recruiter

lunar dagger
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Delete system 32

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That'll show them

velvet badge
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Facts thanos

ionic bronze
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lmao

steady obsidian
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I did cs to having to avoid writing

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just got assigned a 2k words long technical research paper for one of my CS classes

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it really be ur own... huh

charred roost
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rip

steady obsidian
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i hate it here

charred roost
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I joined CS to avoid writing too but I still gotta take an advanced writing class rip

steady obsidian
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If I have to write documentation for my internship, imma throw hands

pliant hawk
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i did cs to avoid art shit, then for personal projects gotta implement a half decent ui Sadge

steady obsidian
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fuck it, I am assigning my documentation to the sophomore intern

charred roost
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Thankfully there are a lot of options for advanced writing from game design documents to cover letters lol

steady obsidian
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i get the seniority

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suffer u hoes

charred roost
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lmfao

pliant hawk
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hell yea let em know their place

steady obsidian
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that's literally what I did last summer

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assigned my documentation to the freshman intern

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but then I caught feelings and went on two dates with her

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RIP

pliant hawk
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whens the wedding

steady obsidian
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June 2022

pliant hawk
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will there be an open bar

steady obsidian
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perhaps.

low epoch
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never catch feelings for your documentation person

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thanks for advice

steady obsidian
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it really bites u in the ass if u do

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because who is gonna do documentation now...

polar valley
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Alright guys I got an email of the recruiter, sorry summer internship in August,
What can I write?

polar valley
split fractal
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is this 🧢 or not

sage hinge
still gazelle
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dating coworkers is pretty common

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believe it or not

sage hinge
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i think i read it wrong that he was ft and went on a couple dates with a freshman intern lmao

still gazelle
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ah yes a ft person in 2021_summer for interns

sage hinge
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uh im an intern and i go into the new grad channels occasionaly

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or maybe a ft person came back in to answer a question or give advice?

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thats soooooo uncommon and impossible

steady obsidian
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Why would I cap bro

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How is weird bro

sage hinge
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i think i read it wrong that he was ft and went on a couple dates with a freshman intern lmao
steady obsidian
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Is it*

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No bro I was a sophomore

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She was freshman

ashen needle
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this conversation is painful to read

sage hinge
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yeaaa thats on me

pliant hawk
ashen needle
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lmao and they guy who thought it was absurd for a FT guy to be in here

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like that whole encounter was just pain

patent sluice
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dude you're fulltime? go feed your kids lol

terse torrent
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how

abstract wagon
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lol wtf why are recruiters so condescending?
i had an interview and they said the team was changed to a different one and asked if i was interested and i said i wasnt
then the recruiter tells me they decided i wasnt a good fit for the role

terse torrent
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what the

abstract wagon
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this happened with 2 different companies

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i reject the team they want to interview me for b/c it isnt what was advertised and they instead say i wasnt a good fit for the team lol

terse torrent
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they want face

ashen needle
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lmao

pliant hawk
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chad

abstract wagon
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i told them i chose a different offer and they gave me the "you're not a good fit for the team" email lol

night surge
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:weirdchamp:

ashen needle
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thats so weird ive only ever gotten "congrats" about choosing another company's offer

abstract wagon
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oh yeah that usually happens, or recruiter asks to keep in contact, but idk what twilio doing

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maybe recruiter got salty?

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even the recruiter i reneged on wasn't this salty

tacit marsh
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so if remote work is only available in certain states can i just say i’m in another state or will i have to provide proof of residence

abstract wagon
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you'll have to provide proof of resident

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thats the reason why i reneged lmao the company didn't tell me until offer was signed

charred roost
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Yeah you need to provide proof of residence

abstract wagon
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it has to do with company pay roll being set up in certain states

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like taxes and stuff i think

tacit marsh
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so can i just rent an apartment and then just not live there

charred roost
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yep

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Different W-4 forms I think

abstract wagon
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i mean technically but also idk does that count as breaking tax laws i cant adult

charred roost
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but yea that might count as breaking some laws lol

tacit marsh
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f

charred roost
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Though I've seen ppl do something similar for college tuition

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They'll get an apartment in the state of that uni and then claim to be a resident of the state

abstract wagon
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i'm pretty sure that goes against some sort of law but you can try to get away with it, not that id recommend doing so

charred roost
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and go from out of state to in state tuition

abstract wagon
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oh wow

charred roost
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yee

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some states have ways to stop that though lol

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gotta prove that you've paid that state's taxes for a certain amount of time to claim to be a in state student

ionic bronze
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fuck the law fuck taxes

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we commiting tax fraud and doing loopholes now nobuShades

tacit marsh
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i mean i don’t mind paying taxes and such I just don’t wanna be in an area where I don’t have any friends lol

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if I can’t go to work to meet people

neon ridge
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Anyone heard back from microsoft garage internship?

simple saffron
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what up my sons

vague palm
low epoch
simple saffron
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nice

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i’ll drink to that bro

ashen needle
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what happened to the OG peepo

low epoch
ashen needle
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i see

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ive prob been in this server almost a year at this point

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time flies

low epoch
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yeah the good ol days were mr emote, boba, peepo

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but we keep moving forward, praying every day

ashen needle
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does this shit get harder as time goes on or is it me

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i feel like next year is gonna be deadly

velvet badge
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Every year it gets more competitive

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That’s just natural in this industry

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5-6 years ago FAANG were asking Leetcode easies

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Look at the situation now sadge

frosty ginkgo
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And slowly getting better

velvet badge
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That’s true, but I believe there’s definitely a flip side to it

sage hinge
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I feel like a lot of people got opportunities cuz of COVID. Virtual interviews made it a lot easier and cheaper for companies to hire interns at least

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New grad got completely fucked over though

sage hinge
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^

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Which is why I delayed my graduation by a year

sage hinge
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At least faang for mid level/senior hasn’t gotten much harder

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Since it was already hard

velvet badge
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Yeah but that’ll get more competitive within the coming years as well

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Think about it

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All the competition we have now for entry level will only slide to mid/senior level in a few years

sage hinge
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Nah isn’t there a lack of senior mid level ppl

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It’s been like that for 4-5 yrs

velvet badge
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The vision of FAANG has made everything a lot more competitive

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Even though a lot of other companies have higher TC KEKW

sage hinge
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I remember my dad getting asked 5 rounds of algorithmic questions for google back in 2010

velvet badge
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Well yeah but the questions have definitely gotten harder IMO

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Before it was heavy based on trees/easier concepts

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Now everyone and their mom is on DP

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And graph theory

sage hinge
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Nah it’s always been like that lol

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Maybe in 2005 aure

velvet badge
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To some extent yeah

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But it’s just super saturated now

sage hinge
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But senior/high level roles haven’t changed much

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Like it’s why senior people get so many recruiters in their inbox

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Too many open roles

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Let me see if I can still find the questions my dad had saved up pre 2015

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But like shit like this: 6 technicals rounds for senior roles in 2016 for a no name company

thick ridge
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pretty sure fit is more important than ability to some level in senior positions so makes sense to have longer conversations

loud hemlock
ionic bronze
sage hinge
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Yeah but senior/mid level role hasn’t changed much thank god

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It’s still hard but its not getting harder

sage hinge
simple jay
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it gets easier because you get better both as a dev and at interviewing and you (hopefully) have more experience

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in college that ideally should heavily outpace the difficulty of interviews increasing

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at least thats how ive always thought about it

slim nacelle
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Is there any source to review answers of behavioral questions?

vague palm
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yeah it's called intro and retrospection

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kekw

charred roost
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"So when do I start?"

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But seriously, you can probably ask more about the day to day responsibilities of an intern

vague palm
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i heard big boi B is stepping back, so how's about I fill in?

silver lark
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@dawn vessel its cliche but be yourself and ask what you’re genuinely curious about. It’s obvious when you’re pretending to be someone you aren’t in an interview, so be as comfortable with yourself as possible

vague palm
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How important is GPA?

nova knoll
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Slightly but not everything for regular SWE

round atlas
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I already accepted an internship offer for this summer but just got the OA from a company I’d definite want to intern/work for in the future, am I safe to check out the OA for practice/see what’s up or would it be a bad look?

vague palm
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If companies treat candidates like shit I don't think there's any harm in checking OA

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How many of y'all still don't have an offer for summer?

split night
steady obsidian
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I try to keep myself above a 3.5

balmy blade
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LOLLL PREACH

steady obsidian
sage hinge
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Lol

normal vigil
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Not sure if this is right place to post this, but myself and some of the other summer 21 American Express interns have a separate discord setup if anyone else would want to join that!

abstract tiger
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Anyone had snowflake interview?

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Mine is on Wednesday

real tapir
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what do you guys think of a software engineer intern position at BCG and does anyone know how much they pay?

vague palm
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what are the consequences of reneging?

terse torrent
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They may blacklist u but if ur nice abt it they won't

vague palm
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how would they blacklist? like in their own orgs or like they share ur deets to other HR peeps? and how do I go about being nice about it?

terse torrent
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No idea abt bl, i haven't had that experience

vague palm
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i wouldn't be surprised if this server can run doom too

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ty mew

soft hound
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u get blacklisted from that company

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they dont go around spreading ur name lol

soft hound
still gazelle
last yarrow
sly egret
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what’s google’s policy about gpa? i remember they had something about 3.0 minimum but idk if that’s for every semester or just overall

charred roost
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Don't companies care about overall GPA

slim creek
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i don’t think amazon even knows my gpa

frosty ginkgo
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Whichever is higher

sly egret
sly egret
frosty ginkgo
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Bc I'm pretty sure major and overall gpa is listed

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In transcript

sly egret
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yea it is

sinful tinsel
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Can you apply for more than 1 position per company?

charred roost
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Yeah you can

ashen needle
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does anyone else really want their semester to end so they can start internship

charred roost
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i just want my semester to end bc I want a break lol

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9 weeks in and I'm just drained

ashen needle
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well yea that

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but theres like some light at the end of the tunnel

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in that i can make some money

charred roost
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true

sly egret
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yes, looking forward to getting outta this hellhole of a school

austere quarry
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my ge class is getting on my nerves

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our midterm was legit the most subjective fking thing

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4 paragraphs on this open-ended question about religion

charred roost
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rip

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my ge class just ended last week thank god

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it was a half semester class

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and it was fun for the first few weeks but then it just became a chore

austere quarry
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fk my ge lol

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i hate taking them

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one class was interesting

charred roost
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The few gen eds I've taken have all been interesting

austere quarry
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but the professor was insane in the way he graded papers. worse than my school's actual classes devoted to writing (which are also known to grade harshly)

austere quarry
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sometimes when im writing

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i think to myself

charred roost
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the prof for the ge i just finished pretty much gave you full credit on the writing assignments as long as they weren't copied from somewhere

austere quarry
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id rather redo like half the assignments in my ds&a class than write this lol

charred roost
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lmfao rip

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you can get through it my dude

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only a few more weeks

lunar dagger
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I'm lucky in that I don't have any gen eds

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Miss me with that shit

charred roost
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My gpa wouldn't be where it is today without gen eds

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So I'm grateful for them lol

lunar dagger
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That's very true actually

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Maybe that's why my gpa is so trash lmao

stray spoke
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I got an error

still gazelle
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gen eds destroy my GPA

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im not gonna study for a class im not interested in 🤣

mint cipher
stray spoke
silver sierra
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Idk why some profs have to make these useless gened courses so damn difficult. And he gave everyone C's!

crimson brook
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My freshman year I took a cultures gened class and I chose the Isreal/Palestine one and to this day that's still the only grade below an A- I have sadge

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After that I strictly chose easy geneds over interesting ones

rustic thunder
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i just want to graduate

lunar dagger
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^^^

charred roost
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Y'all are taking the wrong gen eds

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My last gen ed just had a weekly quiz

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And all the quizzes were open right from the start so I was done with the class in a week

blazing jewel
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Guys I am really worried I have been trying to get internship for this summer since last year lmaoooo and I still haven't got anywhere 😭

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gimme hope

silver sierra
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Maybe you can do research at your uni?

blazing jewel
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Yeah it's possible that I haven't done amazing projects that I should've done (projects that are full-stack and use stuff that employers love to see) Codeacademy has some good projects to build your portfolio with but the cost looked prohibitively high for me. Is it worth it idk?

blazing jewel
ashen needle
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keep in mind, the point of doing projects is not to make your resume look better

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its to learn new stuff or get better at what you already know

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a project with a bunch of buzzword technologies isnt gonna help if you cant talk about it/have no reason that you picked that tech

blazing jewel
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Oh okay, I'll keep that in mind. So where can you start building your own projects on the technologies you want to learn? I am trying to think of good project ideas seems like I'm stuck thinking of which project I should do.

ashen needle
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honestly i would just find an area you're interested in, and find a pretty common project and just start

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like for me, last summer i wanted to learn web dev, so i made a clone of Trello

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pretty straightforward but it helped me learn a lot

lunar dagger
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What yr are you?

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If you're a sophomore or freshman at a non target then it's hard to get responses

blazing jewel
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Interesting, how do you manage the time to commit for personal project? like I would probably start and then I would just give and then this cycle continues and I don’t get anything done

lunar dagger
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Pick something you WANT to do

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Like all my projects are stuff that I'm really interested in

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And I work on them for fun

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So pick something that you find fun, and think about how you could make a project out of it

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Like for example if you're into rocket league

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maybe work on making a copycat rocket league game in unity

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If you're into linguistics, do something with natural language processing

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etc

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A project doesn't have to be unique or even all that impressive tbh. As long as you're learning something and having fun doing it, then you're chilling

lunar dagger
junior elk
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idk i would still find a way to make an interesting web app if you're after web dev internships

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since you can attach a link on your resume

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and it'll be deployed

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and use tech employers are looking for

blazing jewel
blazing jewel
junior elk
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doing a hackathon is also a good way to churn out a web/mobile project

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and if you win something it'll look even better

sage hinge
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and itll help learning design patterns for actual work/internships

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unless ur looking for more embedded/infra roles

frosty ginkgo
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@blazing jewel what does ur resume look like

blazing jewel
frosty ginkgo
blazing jewel
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Okay

ashen needle
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the right answer for projects is always: find something youre interested in, and just start building. if you want a more programmatic approach, ill give you what i did last summer- Learn React basics, build a frontend app with React. Then after you're comfy with react, build a full stack app with React and some backend REST framework like express with js or flask/fastapi with python

frosty ginkgo
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echoing @ashen needle also but start an app using a hackathon since they give you a forced time constraint

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assuming you're starting from scratch

ashen needle
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yea true

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really depends how much time you have on your hands

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last summer i worked a job from 5-10am and then did dev work the rest of the day, so i had plenty of time to work on projects, so i finished my projects almost always

frosty ginkgo
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5am jesus

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what time did you sleep

ashen needle
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like 10

frosty ginkgo
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ohh ok nvm

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i was assuming u slept at 2-3

ashen needle
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had to be at Daddy Bezos' warehouse at 4:45am every day : )

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i had a very calculated approach to all this

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sacrificed sleep last summer so that id have an internship lined up this summer

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took me til feb to get an offer tho lol

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but yea anyway, if you are just looking for a concrete answer, learn React and use any public API to build out a frontend project

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Chess.com has an API, theres a few solid Pokemon APIs, Weather API, IMDB API. bunch of stuff you can use to build fun projects

frosty ginkgo
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react + firebase that shit if you're lazy also

dapper shard
ashen needle
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ay thanks prayge

frosty ginkgo
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10 lines of auth compared to 200-300 lines of passport.js auth

ashen needle
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tbf, again depending on the time you have on your hands, i recommend doing most things the hard way your first time

frosty ginkgo
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i went from hard to easy without knowing

ashen needle
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the auth on my apps have been pretty sus, but still was good to get an idea of the architecture

frosty ginkgo
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bc i never knew abt firebase but alr knew how to auth with passport months back

ashen needle
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i dont even use passport- i legit would send user info as a regular network request, and then handle auth by hand in Express and Postgres

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i was a huge noob last summer

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AWS Cognito seems pretty OP

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or OAuth

sage hinge
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if ur using react + nextjs, nextauth handles most of it

ashen needle
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im too lazy to figure out next : (

sage hinge
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its just react with global states

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and routing lol

ashen needle
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plus ive spent way too long learning to build SPAs just to go back to SSR lol

frosty ginkgo
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my personal projects dont need next so im not going that way for now

ashen needle
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rebuilding my personal site in Sapper currently, i very much enjoy it

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if you havent tried it, i highly recommend Svelte its really good

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i kinda like it better than React at this point, at least for smaller projects

crimson brook
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When I tried svelte it almost felt like a lightweight react it was v enjoyable tho but it has its quirks to learn

ashen needle
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the state system is kinda jank but tbf i havent taken the time to learn it very well

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but its really just so much more pleasant for smaller stuff

blazing jewel
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ashen needle
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personally im not a course guy

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read the docs, watched a few youtube tutorials, and then started building projects

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i know a lot of people love courses, i just find myself walking away without much knowledge of what i learned

blazing jewel
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I am more of a course guy like I tried to read the docs ig I am not used to it

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but damn man I respect the grind you went through i wish I was more like you

ashen needle
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lol i didnt do anything insane. truth is, if you find an area you enjoy working on projects on, you dont even notice the time youre putting

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i get a similar satisfaction to video games and the alike tbh

lunar dagger
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I wanna get into web dev but it seems like there's just so many different tools/frameworks/lbraries to use

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Like idek what oauth or express or any of that stuff is

ashen needle
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yea there is

lunar dagger
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What would you guys recommend that I learn?

ashen needle
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thing is, most people look at the vastness of tools as a bad thing, but its a good thing imo

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most popular tech is probably React for Front End

lunar dagger
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defo a good thing, but as a noob I'm very overwhelmed lmao

ashen needle
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theres a shit ton for Back End

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cant really go wrong with Express for your backend framework, and React for your Front End framework

lunar dagger
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So what's the point of using express for backend instead of say just python with django or something

ashen needle
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no point really

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just preference

sage hinge
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express is a bit easier(less decorators and a bit lighter than django)/its nicer to do front + back in the same language.

ashen needle
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express is a micro framework while django is mcuh larger and ful fledged

blazing jewel
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Yeah and you can also add database work too like MySQL, Mongo or PostgresSQL

lunar dagger
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In that case I might learn django. I'm a lot more comfortable with python, and I've made some basic stuff with flask before

ashen needle
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I'm starting to move away from backend stuff in JavaScript. While doing everything in one lang is nice, theres just better options out there than the wreck of a lang that is JS

sage hinge
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im not sure if its too valuable esp with microservices being the trend now adays(Django)

ashen needle
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if you wanna go the microframework route with Python, try out FastAPI. as far as i can tell it has all of the benefits of Flask, but is newer and nicer

sage hinge
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fastapi + flask both great choices

lunar dagger
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what's a microframework and a microservice

sage hinge
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imagine instead of using 1 giant app in django

lunar dagger
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also if fastapi does everything flask does, why would I use both?

sage hinge
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u have several smaller component apis

ashen needle
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i meant one instead of the other

lunar dagger
ashen needle
sage hinge
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yea

blazing jewel
sage hinge
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just split up ur services

ashen needle
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as for a microframework, my interpretation is that its just a collection of routes for an API, where as something like Django/SpringBoot/Rails has an entire architecture buit into it

sage hinge
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i feel like with vue/angular/react + api on the backend, django is a little too heavy

ashen needle
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i mean it all depends on use case really

sage hinge
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like back when you'd serve static pages + jquery it was solid

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tru

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depends on the project/what u want to do

ashen needle
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as a general rule id say thats a bad thing to go by, but for personal projects, i think anything other than a microframework for backend is overkill

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honestly react is overkill too but its worth learning

lunar dagger
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So is the benefit of a microframework over something like django, that it's faster and lighter?

ashen needle
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yea

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less opinionated

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django has "1 way to do things"

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flask leaves it up to you

lunar dagger
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That makes a lot of sense

sage hinge
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more control but once the project gets more complex it is nice to have some stuff built in

ashen needle
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yea

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quicker set up

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you could have a crud api up and running in like 20 minutes in Express or FastAPI

sage hinge
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like one of my internships some devs essentially built their own version of activerecord on top of our db in flask, where if we were just using rails we wouldn't have to lol

ashen needle
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i have a hard time gauging the demand for Rails currently

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i feel like its worth learning but its just kinda left out of the convo as of recent

lunar dagger
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Thanks a ton guys. I feel a bit less confused about things now!

ashen needle
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Seems like Python kinda took it over tbh

sage hinge
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yeah idk definitely start with fundamentals of web dev(rest,mvc,etc) then go to express/fastapi/flask or something heavier django/rails if u want

ashen needle
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mvc is kinda eh

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i feel like mvc is just intuitive

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like every big framework markets it as this crazy new way of thinking, but its just a pretty sensible architecture

sage hinge
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i mean yea u have ur restful routes going to ur controller interacting with ur model/activerecord/db

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but i feel like when i first started i didnt understand that part but once. i learned that it was hella easy lol

ashen needle
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with a rest approach, the frontend framework serves as the view, right?

sage hinge
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and even if your projects get more complex like if u add an extra abstraction api between ur controller and model, you'll still understand the overall structure

obtuse spruce
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wondering what other kind of project's could one build instead of web or mobile? Like whats a decent os or low level project that's resume worthy

ashen needle
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build

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a kernel

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im kidding

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systems is scary

blazing jewel
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systems can either be your best friend or your worst nightmare

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you choose lol

ashen needle
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props to people who are into systems

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im taking intro to systems rn

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and learning C for the first time is just annoying

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let alone all the actual systems concepts outside of C

night surge
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os is the hardest to debug

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imo

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Bc maybe idk what’s going on

blazing jewel
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systems is fun imo. it can take a while to get used to it

obtuse spruce
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fr just a learning curve

night surge
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But bro there’s so much

obtuse spruce
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yea unless you specialize in it i don't think its worth it

night surge
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Bunch of prerequisites that actually matter

obtuse spruce
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ong lemme just npx create react app n be done w it

blazing jewel
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yeahh systems have a lot of pre-reqs

blazing jewel
ashen needle
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let me just make wordpress sites

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im kidding

blazing jewel
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lmaoooon

night surge
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Wix KEKW

ashen needle
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its kinda weird how devs are cool with letting people do the hard work, up to a certain extent

blazing jewel
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i program in html

obtuse spruce
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java applets

ashen needle
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nobody out here complaining that React is too easy to use, but then wont do wordpress bc its all already done for you

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probably the money

night surge
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I’m not a web dev guy so I’ll take what I can get

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Like I thought it was all about the product

sage hinge
blazing jewel
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i am genuinely curious like how is there still demand for web dev?

sage hinge
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because everything is web dev lol

obtuse spruce
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emerging tech, lots of support

ashen needle
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everything is moving to web

night surge
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Every product need support on web

ashen needle
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how many desktop apps do you have

sage hinge
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its just the best interface

obtuse spruce
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react native

ashen needle
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i have a browser and then lik 2 desktop apps

blazing jewel
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but shouldn't be there be more demand for mobile cause there is more demand for apps?

sage hinge
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even something like desktop apps use web dev principles like electrode

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mobile is web dev lol

blazing jewel
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ahhhh

sage hinge
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same principles

blazing jewel
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that explains it

ashen needle
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theres not more demand for apps

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web reaches everybody, mobile only reaches haf the ppl

sage hinge
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u would build a backend api and use whatever react native/native/etc to build a mobile interface

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or mobile web

obtuse spruce
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pwas

ashen needle
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eh native mobile is still pretty much the best option

sage hinge
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yeah but ur still doing the same on the back/front end more or less

ashen needle
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yea architecture wise, its the same concepts

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actual details on the user-facing portion prob differ

sage hinge
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yea

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like when front end state management came out it kinda changed the game, but it was still web development

ashen needle
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my biggest pet peeve is when people say frontend is not for them because its just design

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like

sage hinge
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like web dev doesn't just mean wordpress sites lol, it's just a way to interact with data and services

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yeee

ashen needle
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design is like 10% of the frontend work on my projects

sage hinge
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i do full stack except i dont do css cause i hate it

ashen needle
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in my last interview for a frontend co op, the guy told me he has written like 10 lines of css in the past 5 years

obtuse spruce
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frontend is much more complex that then, storing and changing data thats being passed through constantly

sage hinge
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yep

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and most people tend to keep the backend cleaner/more straightfoward

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so the front gets fuckeddd lol

pliant hawk
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What do u use instead of css. ?

sage hinge
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i have designers build out the css

obtuse spruce
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There's ui libraries

blazing jewel
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yeah

sage hinge
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oh that too

ashen needle
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component libraries built by people whos job is UI, not frontend dev

sage hinge
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ik not all ui/ux people can do css, but it should be mandatory lol

ashen needle
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depends on the place

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but yea

obtuse spruce
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Fr making a mockup and then converting it into a site is a whole different game

sage hinge
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front end like 10 yrs ago was easier but its way harder nowadays

blazing jewel
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istg i thought front end was more like playing around with html and back end was doing the heavy lifting like using java spring and stuff like that

ashen needle
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it can be

sage hinge
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^

ashen needle
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but like now that the browser and js is more powerful, its easier to do stuff on the frontend so that users have an experience more akin to a desktop app than a website

sage hinge
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but if u go to facebook and install react dev tools it'll show how complex it can be

ashen needle
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when you check react dev tools but the website doesnt have source maps šŸ˜”

blazing jewel
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rip

ashen needle
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its a meme

blazing jewel
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i heard the exact opposite lmaooo i heard people love angular a lottt

obtuse spruce
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I'm mainly a react web dev I havnt tried angular yet but still lol seems like jokes

ashen needle
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its popular at an enterprise level, but solo devs shit on it for the memes and react is better

blazing jewel
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is react vs angular becoming the new emacs vs vim (emacs is far superior lol)

ashen needle
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i use the vim keybinds in VSCode, but i really dislike terminal editors

blazing jewel
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emacs has a gui editor

ashen needle
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oh interesting

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ngl theres not much that could convince me to switch from vscode

sage hinge
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intellij has some nice features, but yeah vscode kinda the king

abstract wagon
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Frontend is harder than backend

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It changes everyday

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And it's the thing bootcamps teach

weak oracle
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bootcamps can churn out coders but it's questionable how many are good coders

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that's what interviews are for ig

rustic thunder
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can we really say that leetcode does a good job at screening good coders?

weak oracle
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I'd say it does a good job of eliminating bad coders

obviously some good coders are also lost there but it's much better economically for the company to prioritize not hiring someone who can't code vs making sure they hire every person who can

blazing jewel
long sandal
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leetcode as a metric is kinda broken, because a lot of people end up rotely memorizing solutions to algo-related problems

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but thats also why leetcode is only used as one factor

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not all or nothing

patent sluice
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when i become an interviewer im gonna make my candidates do push ups

stiff vessel
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how many

charred roost
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just combine leetcode and pushups

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do like 5 push ups for each missed edge case or failed test case

crimson brook
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"what you lack in leetcode strength you must make up in physical strength"

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company gets cancelled for body shaming and discrimination against unfit people KEKW

patent sluice
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candidates will be able to choose between an LC medium or lasting three rounds against george foreman

torpid wraith
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i think i can fight a portable grill

rustic thunder
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is the offer for nutrien for 34 weeks? 😮

lunar dagger
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I knew a lot of Canadian internships are long, but not that long

charred roost
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nah its for 34 hours

frosty ginkgo
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noep probably 34 minutes

lunar dagger
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How do u guys do bulletpoints on things like workday?

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Like rn what I do is just put each bullet point on a new line

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Also do you guys put projects in the work experience section of job apps?

charred roost
ionic bronze
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34 months

lunar dagger
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bett

abstract tiger
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Can anyone share the SDE intern interview experience of snowflake?

rustic thunder
sly egret
golden ginkgo
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any jobs just released?

abstract wagon
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Anyone do Peloton’s OA? Wondering what to brush up on

earnest kestrel
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Thoughts on putting projects above experience on resume?

obtuse spruce
earnest kestrel
obtuse spruce
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yeah then def sell your projects first

empty parrot
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Has anyone given the first technical interview for Wayfair, the recruiter told me I would be solving a small business problem with an engineer in this interview

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I really don't know what to expect xD

empty parrot
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I see, thank you!

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Hey, do you mind if I dm you a few questions?

steady obsidian
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hi guys

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is it okay for me to ask my manager for me to take 2 days off in July

velvet badge
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Lol sure

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It’s only 2 days and you’re letting him know in advance so it’s good

steady obsidian
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oh ok, I didn't know if it was acceptable or not lol

velvet badge
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Ye don’t be afraid to ask for that stuff

steady obsidian
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thanks bro

velvet badge
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No worries man

still gazelle
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no bro u gotta work 24/7

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u cant take breaks

lone rain
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what technical problems did you guys get on amazon's sde intern final interview?

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if u took recently

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upbeat fossil
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like they might as well have just told me to traverse a tree level-order

steady obsidian
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mine was system design with concurrency using hashtable

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my interviewer thought I was interviewing for SDE-2 for 45 minutes

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then I told him bro I am just a junior interviewing for internship

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then he was like ok no problem keep attempting to solve this... and then proceeded to grill me for an additional 30 minutes

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so, Amazon interviews are rng as well

craggy shuttle
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I got a system design ques as well

steady obsidian
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Whoever put the laughing emoji on my sad experience with Amazon, I hope your next code compile gives you a seg fault that you cannot debug even with gdb, bitch

steady obsidian
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I did not, the stuff he was asking isn't even in my degree plan

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I am very happy with the offer I signed, very content actually, looking forward to this summer

sly egret
crimson brook
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He explained to me what a lock was and I BSd what was the equivalent of a spin lock and said f it sadge

ashen needle
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It’s a good feeling to accept an offer after a bunch of rejects

lilac cloak
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hi boring^^

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🄺

lilac cloak
frosty ginkgo
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oml he came back

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welcome

earnest musk
lethal ore
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How was the oa for Addepar?

dapper shard
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you're back too?

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i just came back yesterday

ionic bronze
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Bruhpog hi peepo

dapper shard
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hi šŸ™‚

low epoch
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peepo and andre are back????!!!!

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Kirb is indeed risen on this glorious day

terse torrent
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I had a dream boba was bacc

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🄲

ashen needle
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Tb to the days of boba

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What was the name of that dude everybody hated

willow depot
opaque bloom
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how 2 get internship ablobthinkzerogravity

ashen needle
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i dont understand lmao

abstract tiger
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Does anyone know how to solve problem of portfolio balances??

low epoch
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lmao when the company you're interning for at office location X sends you a rejection email for office location Y

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(just happened to me, months after offer)

ashen needle
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haha what company

obtuse spruce
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any1 losing hope?

steady obsidian
still gazelle
obtuse spruce
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prayge patience prayge

abstract tiger
knotty bone
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Anyone interviewed with Verizon media?

last needle
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Hey anyone know of any good summer internships for a bootcamp graduate?

weak fjord
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Is addepar auto OA?

obtuse spruce
abstract tiger
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Yes it is .

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Anyone had snowflake internship interview?

crimson brook
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Tfw I didn't get addepar OA sad_kermit sadge

charred roost
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same

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tho that's probably bc i didnt apply lol

worthy terrace
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a company just moved me to the final round which is apparently a "culture and value add" interview

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what does that mean

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just behavioral? am i supposed to study something

velvet badge
worthy terrace
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ugh

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i guess lol

velvet badge
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Ye best person to ask

worthy terrace
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idk why im always scared of asking them

velvet badge
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They want you to succeed so ask them any other questions you got too

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They’re a huge resource

worthy terrace
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okay, thank you! i'll reach out right now

velvet badge
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They literally make money if they hire you, or something like that haha

worthy terrace
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oh fr

velvet badge
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Yeah that’s why like they’re always on your side

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Ask them anything and everything and they’ll be able to answer what they can

worthy terrace
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Nice! Thanks for the motivation dude

steady obsidian
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Do recruiters get paid for more people they recruit

stiff vessel
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i believe they have some bonus structure based on the number of people they can get to sign

mint cipher
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Finally got my 'fixed' addepar OA. still didn't work lol

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anyone else get that?

wide root
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Has anyone heard back from Unqork final round?

velvet badge
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No, it doesn’t matter as long as you have at least one semester remaining after the program (which you do)

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So it doesn’t effect anything

earnest kestrel
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also for google summer of code does anyone who if there is an OA? Also how do they go about selecting candidates?

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Would also like to hear anyones experience with this if they done it

earnest kestrel
still gazelle
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u write a proposal + do a pull request (highly recommended)

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some of them have programming competency tests u gotta do

earnest kestrel
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Thank you

long sandal
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why doesnt the addepar OA work

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i cant get in

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"Psst! Something seems to have gone wrong here. Please contact the recruiting team (by replying to the Test invitation email) to check the Account/Test status."

obtuse spruce
#

😐

long sandal
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i saw that other people said their addepar OAs dont work

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who do you even contact for it

last yarrow
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I got an updated link to the Addepar OA and even that one is broken

long sandal
#

^

jolly mantle
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I wish my link was broken so I didn’t get destroyed by 2 DP problems

formal finch
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Yo I accepted the offer at tesla and reneged mastercard. I interview with zoom yesterday and it went well. So, I was wondering if I should expedite and lie that I have offers from Tesla and Mastercard where I already accepted tesla

charred roost
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Just say you have other offers on the table already and don't want to miss out on this opportunity?

formal finch
#

shouldnt i mention the name and add pressure to them

shrewd karma
charred roost
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Not sure tbh, never been in that position before KEKW

formal finch
shrewd karma
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screenshost

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this is gold

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or paste the response

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i live off this

formal finch
charred roost
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Lmfao damn

formal finch
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ngl I think that’s unprofessional asf

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Imo

terse torrent
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Lol

bitter onyx
#

yikes

terse torrent
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Ur mastercard recruiter is a kek

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@formal finch i told current company abt tesla

shrewd karma
terse torrent
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And they went fast about it

formal finch
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the worst part is that she put me on hold for two month and wanted me to sign the offer in 2 days

bitter onyx
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exploding offers are the worst

formal finch
#

@shrewd karma damn she really reminding me that Im ass lmao

terse torrent
#

How long is typical ddl

thick hare
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just say "extenuating circumstances" is being put on hold for two months

terse torrent
#

Savage

thick hare
abstract wagon
#

does interviewing just never end
why tf are companies opening apps in may

worthy terrace
formal finch
#

yeah

worthy terrace
#

recruiters are lowkey starting to act up

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bc of the huge amount of applications

balmy blade
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Wait u reneged

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Mastercard to

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Microsoft?

formal finch
#

for Tesla

balmy blade
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Im confused, why did she say

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Did microsoft call back?

worthy terrace
#

dude she was just being sarcastic

balmy blade
#

OHHHHHHH

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LOL

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I DIDNT GET IT

worthy terrace
#

like "ohhh did microsoft call back?" yknow

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yeah lol

formal finch
#

She commented on my LinkedIn announcement too

balmy blade
#

That moment when mastercard knows microsoft is šŸ‘‘

worthy terrace
#

also @formal finch what dept/position are you in at tesla

balmy blade
#

LOL that's SO FUNNYYYY YO

worthy terrace
#

THAT WAS HER

balmy blade
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THATS HER

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LOL

worthy terrace
#

LMFAOOOOO

balmy blade
#

RUN UP HER PROFILE

worthy terrace
#

ARE YOU FUCKIN SERIOUS

formal finch
#

lmao yeah

balmy blade
#

JANET?

formal finch
#

nah

worthy terrace
#

I THOUGHT THAT WAS A RANDOM FRIEND

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bruh you gotta report her ass for fuckin real that is ABSURD

formal finch
#

nah it’s not Janet

worthy terrace
#

oh

abstract wagon
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ay man i got ur back

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i responded to that karen

terse torrent
#

@abstract wagon yo ic u

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What team at ebay

worthy terrace
abstract wagon
#

apparently google is starting hiring in may this year
are other companies as well?
time to go back to lc grind

#

should i ss lol

abstract wagon
abstract wagon
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for 2022 interns
idk about new grad

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fuck i hate lc but im a simp for google prayge

worthy terrace
#

how does one find google new grad postings

remote geyser
#

are they going to end early as well?

remote geyser
worthy terrace
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fuuuuck

abstract wagon
charred roost
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bruh moment

abstract wagon
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šŸ¤ž prayge

remote geyser
abstract wagon
formal finch
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jkjk I don’t really care

abstract wagon
formal finch
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I thought it was more funny than stupid lol

abstract wagon
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gotta put karens in their place

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age discrimination does happen though

formal finch
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lmaooo

abstract wagon
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ngl

narrow patrol
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she had the audacity to end with "Huh???????"

formal finch
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I think this is deadass troll lmao

abstract wagon
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like 6 question marks

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smh

terse torrent
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non technical background

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Nicesu

narrow patrol
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"advertising copywriter" KEKW

terse torrent
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I don't think that's good Advertisment for her brand

formal finch
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free publicity is good tho 🤣

ashen needle
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That has got to be the stupidest thing I’ve seen in any social media

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Tesla is kindergarten bc they have an intern program LMAO

abstract wagon
soft hound
pallid spade
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cringe

frosty ginkgo
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i wanna see the full thread

covert cypress
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Has anyone been interviewed for Linkedin's REACH program -- summer 2021?

karmic fog
formal finch
round sparrow
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do you guys send thank you emails after interview

silver lark
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yes

autumn forge
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anyone here interviewed with splunk final round?

warped wind
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how many "we're finalizing" emails have you guys gotten from ServiceNow

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I just want the rejection at this point

formal finch
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I really thought rubrik reached out to me for internship smh

ancient flower
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so my coinbase interviewer said that the wlb is really bad

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and then she said she likes it WazowskiStare

slim creek
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huh

vague palm
junior dawn
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has anyone interviewed for EA Pathfinder?

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i think that's EA's fresh/soph internship

lone rain
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Amazon sent me their survey to schedule a final interview but still haven’t gotten back to me. it’s been almost a week should I be worried

velvet badge
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Took two weeks for me

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So chill and keep LCing

charred roost
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Amazon is busy tweeting anti-union shit, they'll get back to you soon my dude

patent sluice
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that amazon news twitter account feels like satire

charred roost
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Oh yeah Amazon News is whack

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But what I was referring to was the fact that they seem to have made a lot of bot accounts and made them tweet anti-union stuff lol

craggy shuttle
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so it will be scheduled on the very first day