competitive_discussion

[dense latch]

unless im thinking of the wrong clip

[stone trellis]

Anyway, rate my progress (first try btw).

||(Do NOT take this seriously)||

[dense latch]

just 100% left good luck

[stone trellis]

Look above that.

See how it says 38,64%?

[dense latch]

o

[stone trellis]

(I noclipped it because there is no way in HELL I'm beating the real TS2)

[sudden remnant]

is there an sv cart regulation still for vgc ladder

[dense latch]

congrats on your very legit run what a jump in level difficulty

[stone trellis]

I know, right?

My previous hardest was 88% on The Lightning Road and I got all the way to 38% on the top 1 extreme demon!

[tawdry urchin]

https://pokepast.es/12c8525fe0f0a1cd What do I change? I'm getting no use out off incin besides fake out

[stone trellis]

Problem #1: Zamazenta's main form of attacking is via the use of Body Press, so maximising its Attack and using Adamant as its nature is nothing more than a sheer waste of points.

Also, switch the items on Urshifu and Whimsicott and give Whimsicott Tera Dark instead.

[sudden remnant]

lugia zamazenta is um, interesting

[stone trellis]

He's committing to that bit until the day he dies, don't even try.

[sudden remnant]

hey i respect it

[stone trellis]

I don't.

[tawdry urchin]

Why switch items? I'd rather whim get atleast 2 moves off or be able to stall with encore

[sudden remnant]

you know I like shield doggo

[stone trellis]

Because Whimsicott's most popular set is Covert Cloak and Urshifu needs the survivability far more.

[solid frigate]

are we doing this again

[sudden remnant]

no comment on the lugia tho

[tawdry urchin]

I'll change anything but Lugia, sorry but in practice it's too good to not remove and he's my goat

[stone trellis]

Especially if Urshifu's going to be Tera Stellar.

[solid frigate]

honestly better to ignore that guy

[stone trellis]

Couldn't care less, it still sucks but there's no way to convince you to remove it, so...

Also, add a sixth Pokemon.

[tawdry urchin]

I won't be a dick this time I wasn't in a good mood at the time 😭

[sudden remnant]

i tried lugia shit was NOT a fun time 😭

[stone trellis]

Nevermind, I'm dumb.

[solid frigate]

trust me Ho-Oh is miles better and actually does something (Top 12 Ho-Oh in worlds is peak)

[stone trellis]

To be fair, you also kinda suck at VGC (beat me in Reg I Bo3 if you want to prove that the opposite is true).

[sudden remnant]

what if i tried hooh korai

[stone trellis]

BRIMSTONE

[tawdry urchin]

? Theres allready a 6th

[sudden remnant]

ill be the first to tell you i suck

[stone trellis]

I'll be the first to tell you I'm washed as hell.

[shadow wind]

So relatable😔

[sudden remnant]

you’re a CIR OTP its not the same

[stone trellis]

Meaning?

[solid frigate]

fun fact

Thats the one that got into top 12 lol

[sudden remnant]

so im cooking

[sudden remnant]

otp means one trick pony

[solid frigate]

just try MU fishing on CSR Zama and you are cooking

[sudden remnant]

try… what?

[forest arrow]

Hey we click tailwind

[solid frigate]

MU Fishing (matchup fishing)

[forest arrow]

Sometimes…

[dense latch]

first thing is to change zama to impish and take away its attack evs for the most part

[stone trellis]

I'm not really a one-trick pony, I just can't be fucked to try anything else.

[sudden remnant]

thats literally what an otp is

[shadow wind]

Pretty much just making a counter team to a certain restricted duo

[dense latch]

Zamazenta-Crowned @ Rusted Shield
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 204 HP / 4 Atk / 180 Def / 28 SpD / 92 Spe
Impish Nature

• Body Press
• Wide Guard
• Protect
• Heavy Slam

you can do something like this

[stone trellis]

Give me a duo that doesn't involve CSR and Zamazenta being put together and I can guarantee I'll cook with it.

[sudden remnant]

you got a team for me? 🥺

[dense latch]

maybe bit faster, maybe a bit slower, up to you

[solid frigate]

victory road has that team in OTS format you can search it

[stone trellis]

I need a break from PTFK anyway, so...

[sudden remnant]

i will do that

[solid frigate]

just search 2025 worlds then it should be in one of the top teams there

[stone trellis]

Holy shit, it's 2 AM already?

[tawdry urchin]

Genunie question: Why do you think it's bad? It tanks things like miraidon, CSR, lunala. kyogre, ext with 2 calm mind (which it can pretty easily set it) and tera (Depends on the matchup) .F rom my experince I've seen no one use defog so getting rid of lugia's extra bulk is near impossible.

[stone trellis]

I could've sworn it was 12:40 AM 3 minutes ago.

[sudden remnant]

its 7pm for me 👨‍🦯

[shadow wind]

Defog 😔

[stone trellis]

You saw why I think it's bad.

Also, the move's called Haze.

Defog does another thing entirely.

[sudden remnant]

it can tank the hits but can it do literally anything in return

[dense latch]

because lugia takes two turns to deal some damage while most other restricteds do massive damage from turn 1

it's a high risk low reward restricted

[stone trellis]

Setup-heavy mons need to be able to dish out Mirai-level calcs once they're done setting up, but Lugia just doesn't compare.

[tawdry urchin]

Areoblast and earthpower for fire types, miradion and zamazenta

[sudden remnant]

and how does that work out for you

[solid frigate]

still my second best team despite never got any good results on tournaments

Oh yeah in Reg I Set up is almost impossible to do

[dense latch]

there's a reason lugia has seen zero usage in major tournaments

[craggy dagger]

we’re still doing this?

[stone trellis]

Fucking Giratina has been used, you think people haven't tried?

[dense latch]

and it's not because no one has truly tried it and found its potential

[forest arrow]

Hold my glacial lance

https://tenor.com/view/glastrier-gif-21054576

[shadow wind]

Bulk up Groudon 😔😔

[tawdry urchin]

Amazingly, literally everyone is using sp attackers as their main restricted mon(s) and lugia just tanks them

[stone trellis]

Hold my (any physical attacker with a Ground type move).

[sudden remnant]

you mean get melted by my ice lance

[solid frigate]

i actually used it before but yeah its not good

You could do something funny in low ladders to fuck with them lmao

[craggy dagger]

hold my free nasty plot into astral barrage for a second

[solid frigate]

yeah we know sad

[craggy dagger]

it is :D

[forest arrow]

PELIPPERR WIDE GUARD! I NEED HELP!

[sudden remnant]

skill issue on their parts

[solid frigate]

This smells like bitch-

[craggy dagger]

so yknow multiscale only works basically once right?

so if multiscale disappears…
what now?

[tawdry urchin]

What is a sp attacker supposed to do against a x2 calm mind lugia? 😭

[sudden remnant]

does lugia get roost or recover?

[shadow wind]

On my life it works

[shadow wind]

Gets recover

[craggy dagger]

it does!
but at that point-
you’re sacrificing either protect or calm mind
which means you’ll either be hit and die
or
tickle enemies
both lead to death

[sudden remnant]

i can feel your existence fading

[tawdry urchin]

Prankster sabeleye skill swap so lugia can recover and calm mind before anything hits it but ofc I got flamed for it

[solid frigate]

recover but like

Miraidon and The calyrex are polar opposite speed tiers who can work with their own speed to nuke Lugia

Which ummm Lugia does not run Protect

[craggy dagger]

or
you sacrifice an attacking move and can only attack for 16 turns max as a tickle monster

[sudden remnant]

and you expect your opponent to let you play solitaire?

[craggy dagger]

follow me :D

[stone trellis]

When I got the crispiest +1 Tera Fire Ivy Cudgel in my pocket and the CSR talm bout some "Let me set up":

[craggy dagger]

Rage powder :D

wait
rage powder goes before prankster basic status right

[stone trellis]

It does, yes.

[tawdry urchin]

play what?

[sudden remnant]

solitaire

[stone trellis]

It's +2.

[shadow wind]

Literally I’ve been using it and seen great success

[solid frigate]

+2 rage powder Prankster +1

[tawdry urchin]

I mean what does it mean?

[craggy dagger]

lol
imagine skill swapping regenerator on your sableye when you meant to skill swap your lugia

prankster amoongus…

[sudden remnant]

it means do whatever you want on your side of the field. solitaire is a single player card game

[craggy dagger]

+1 priority spores…

[solid frigate]

Honestly you know this shit is bitchass when I have to log off star rail to be in here

[tawdry urchin]

Which is why "but ofc I got flamed for it" : D

[forest arrow]

Found it morris

[stone trellis]

He beat me with Bulk Up Groudon on a matchup that's usually a stomp in my favor, so I'm either washed or he's the GOAT.

[solid frigate]

The classic

[sudden remnant]

😭 relatable

[craggy dagger]

[sudden remnant]

he didnt even understand my comment about solitaire

[tawdry urchin]

Ok whats the oppodent going to do though?

[craggy dagger]

lugia just has too many weaknesses to justify running it in this generation and meta

[solid frigate]

Oh yeah I got Yaoguang E0S1 yesterday so we ball

[sudden remnant]

literally anything???

[craggy dagger]

nasty plot x3 and astral barrage your ass

[shadow wind]

😝😝😝

[craggy dagger]

or yknow
helping hand tera electric electro drift?

[tawdry urchin]

"Whimsacott used encore" "Lugia used areoblast".

[dense latch]

yea lugia kinda just gets outpaced too

[craggy dagger]

ok i gotta go to work-
you guys take care and good luck on ur comp games :D

[solid frigate]

Actually Lugia can’t be justified in all generations VGC is in

And it’s funny cuz Giratina has usage in Gen 4 where it’s typing and stats are good for it at that time

[sudden remnant]

the humble tera dark

[stone trellis]

The opposing Bald Zoro used Coaching!
(King Charles' Attack rose!)
(King Charles' Defense rose!)
King Charles used Glacial Lance!
(It's super effective!)
(Lugia lost 80% of its health!)

[craggy dagger]

last i checked
shadow rider doesn’t die to one aero blast
by the time you’re set up to take out shadow rider
whimsicott is dead

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-he-made-a-statement-so-ass-the-dog-left-this-planet-gif-268224778921118459

[foggy lodge]

Tera normal Whimsicott

Don't mess around Whimsicott

[solid frigate]

The entire fucking chat rn

[forest arrow]

Nah Tera normal urshifu

[stone trellis]

@craggy dagger Despite the fact I fucking loathe everything you stand for due to the fact that you play CSR, at least we can agree on Lugia being fodder for our main mons.

[tawdry urchin]

I would've either tera water or have zamazenta out by then

[solid frigate]

Trust me I was gonna sleep while playing HSR for like a good hour and then this happened

I want to nuke stuff

[craggy dagger]

i don’t play csr though
i play zacian :D

and lunala…

[stone trellis]

Bad answer, Zamazenta got smacked in the mouth by High Horsepower.

And now Miraidon's free to come in and do whatever the fuck it wants, such as Discharge.

[craggy dagger]

i’ve used csr as a speedy pollen puff for my chi yu though

[solid frigate]

Or Hearthflame Cudgel Bönk

Or Miraidon Edrift(I caught a switch in before in the regional)

[foggy lodge]

Bold Chi-Yu lowkey crazy

[sudden remnant]

i got my jingliu to defeat her own weekly boss without equipping relics

[foggy lodge]

I've seen bold Chi-Yus survive choice band tera normal extreme speed from Dnite

[solid frigate]

I used Kyogre with that set

What am I doing lmfao

[tawdry urchin]

Zamazenta has a high defence stat and it's ability hello??? 😭

[craggy dagger]

anyways time to work bye

[stone trellis]

I don't use Specs, so I doubt I can smack Zama with E-Drift.

[craggy dagger]

good luck :D

[solid frigate]

Oh Tera Electric is usually enough

[sudden remnant]

trust me, it will die

i play zama i would know

[tawdry urchin]

Tail wind boosted landious

[stone trellis]

Even if it doesn't die from 100%, it will probably shit itself if it's ever below 80.

Bad answer again, I'm AV.

You're still fucked, not to mention I can use Whimsicott too.

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned in Electric Terrain: 152-180 (84.4 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

No Modest but like whatever

[sudden remnant]

hear me out, just flex on him with goatflame

[tawdry urchin]

Theres is no way a zamazenta with 1.5% defence is going below 80% from hhp

[stone trellis]

+1 High Horsepower.

From Calyrex fucking Ice Rider.

That shit OHKOs Incineroar from 95.

[sudden remnant]

trust me its not actually that hard to kill

[shadow wind]

Tell that to my 40 BP heat crash

[solid frigate]

164+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned in Electric Terrain: 177-208 (98.3 - 115.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

+1 76+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. +1 100 HP / 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 144-172 (80 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[tawdry urchin]

Bruh incin is a fraud ofc it won't live that

[forest arrow]

But hey you got bulk up

[solid frigate]

thats more like Lego than a volcanic rammage

[sudden remnant]

🤨

[tawdry urchin]

Do High horse power ccr

[stone trellis]

It can live super effective Adamant Surging Strikes, keep in mind.

[sudden remnant]

@solid frigate can i get a “he made a ststement so trash” meme again

[shadow wind]

Lowkey my set can 1v1 tera grass Zama with bulk up

[tawdry urchin]

Fake out merchant 🙏 He gets outspeed and ko'd before he can do anything else

[stone trellis]

I might be exaggerating a little, but +2 is definitely making Zama look like Sukuna in JJK 232.

[sudden remnant]

skill issue on your part

[solid frigate]

+1 36+ Atk Calyrex-Ice High Horsepower vs. +1 100 HP / 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 72-86 (40 - 47.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

almost no invest CIR +1 HHP which is really good ngl

[tawdry urchin]

Literally what happens everytime I'm against it. Didn't say it happens to me

[solid frigate]

+2 252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice High Horsepower vs. +1 100 HP / 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 110-130 (61.1 - 72.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 is almost crippled Zama that it can't recover

[tawdry urchin]

@stone trellis you where saying?

[sudden remnant]

protect+coaching 🗣️

[solid frigate]

cuz usually with Zama being less than 30% usually its hard to recover

[solid frigate]

whats your zama stats btw

[sudden remnant]

0hp 252atk 252def 4spe

[tawdry urchin]

https://pokepast.es/12c8525fe0f0a1cd

[stone trellis]

"Strongest physical defense in the game" when it has to face the power of a horse kicking:

[forest arrow]

I bet it’s a good 2kho from Caly

You’re not gonna appreciate that

[dense latch]

also please use max HP lugia instead of max spdef

220 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Lugia: 79-95 (37 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

220 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Multiscale Lugia: 68-82 (37.5 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[sudden remnant]

@tawdry urchin genuine advice put 100 of those attack points into hp

[solid frigate]

+2 252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice High Horsepower vs. +1 0 HP / 252+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 108-128 (64.6 - 76.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

With Paul's +2 its enough to cripple Zama to sweep up the Double up

[dense latch]

max spdef is worse than max hp in every way

[stone trellis]

Keep in mind, 1UK3 also has zero ways to damage my Ice Rider once Lugia's down.

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah I can understand why

[forest arrow]

Called it

[stone trellis]

And it isn't like I can't make Lugia be incapable of doing shit either.

[solid frigate]

+1 12+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. +1 0 HP / 252+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 136-164 (81.4 - 98.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Tang Gang Hearthflame lmfao

[sudden remnant]

and have 4 attack and the rest in SpD

[tawdry urchin]

why spD?

[sudden remnant]

glacial lance+whimsicott moonblast/energy ball should just nuke it

[sudden remnant]

because one EP and your eating dirt for dinner

[solid frigate]

164+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Volt Switch vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned in Electric Terrain: 124-147 (74.2 - 88%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I'm laughting so hard rn

[sudden remnant]

and because of this

[tawdry urchin]

Ig but I'm running tera dragon anways

[sudden remnant]

okay so miraidon dgleam just removes you from existence

[tawdry urchin]

Zam is part steel

[dense latch]

@tawdry urchin

[stone trellis]

Draco cooks you, Taunt on Valiant ensures you can't Wide Guard so Glacial cooks you...

[sudden remnant]

and pauls glacial lance can make you into chinese food

[sudden remnant]

your tera dragon does not help you

[stone trellis]

I only run 76+, but it doesn't even matter.

[solid frigate]

+2 252 SpA Lugia Earth Power vs. 156 HP / 4 SpD Miraidon: 142-168 (72.8 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

OMFG LMFAO

BRO CAN'T EVEN KILL MY MIRAIDON

[stone trellis]

Mine probably takes less than nothing.

Let me check.

[sudden remnant]

when i used mirai it was 4SpD AV how about mine

[tawdry urchin]

Can't I just light screen/ tail wind calm mind?

[solid frigate]

i have screens as well lol

So that means
+2 252 SpA Lugia Earth Power vs. 156 HP / 4 SpD Miraidon through Light Screen: 71-84 (36.4 - 43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[sudden remnant]

i think it was 4 hp

[tawdry urchin]

I run landious for a reason

[dense latch]

my point is not how much damage it's doing my point is investing in HP tanks sp attack slightly better and physical attacks way better

you can still run some spdef if you drop some spatk or hp

[tawdry urchin]

allright then

[dense latch]

dropping lugia is a lost cause so you might as well optimize it

[stone trellis]

I have Light Screen, AV AND Snarl.

[tawdry urchin]

what do I replace incin with? Sorry he's a glorified fake out merchant and just gets outspead and 1 shotted by everything

[sudden remnant]

keep incin

[stone trellis]

Hearthflame, I guess.

[forest arrow]

Lmao

[sudden remnant]

how about rock pon

[stone trellis]

The abundance Pokemon requires his sacrifice.

[stone trellis]

Son...

[tawdry urchin]

Why?

[stone trellis]

Aight, let's do a funny.

[solid frigate]

wait my Ho-Oh basically walls Everything but his Urshifu lmfao

and i have Miraidon and wellspring lmfao

[sudden remnant]

😝

[stone trellis]

@tawdry urchin I am going to give you my Pokepaste and you will have to adapt your team in such a way that it doesn't get shit on.

From there, you will have to beat me in a best of 3.

[tawdry urchin]

allright then

[stone trellis]

You have all the time in the world, just notify me when you're ready.

[sudden remnant]

i wish you luck @tawdry urchin lmao

[solid frigate]

76+ Atk Ho-Oh Sacred Fire vs. +1 0 HP / 252 Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 68-84 (40.7 - 50.2%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO

Pfft

[sudden remnant]

oof

[stone trellis]

https://pokepast.es/6862dcff3cd5cb18

[tawdry urchin]

Fraud-Oh 🙏

[stone trellis]

He's going to need that help.

[sudden remnant]

you mean fraud doggo

[stone trellis]

You guys can coach him too if you want to, I couldn't care less.

[solid frigate]

i mean its not that much invested cuz i always run bulk on Ho-Oh like any sane person would

But its still almost 50%

[sudden remnant]

i meant oof to him

[solid frigate]

honesty same,i'm out

[tawdry urchin]

Could I try 1 game first with the team I allready have? (Nothing changed expect stats)

[stone trellis]

It's 2:30 AM, I have to go to sleep.

[solid frigate]

yeah ik lol

Ho-Oh is goated anyway

[tawdry urchin]

😭 Ok then

[stone trellis]

I'm going to beat your team today, don't worry.

[sudden remnant]

its stats arent even that good either are they? 😭

[stone trellis]

154 Special Defense is quite good.

[tawdry urchin]

And then I lose to some bs and get flamed for it 💔

[stone trellis]

And 130 Attack is very respectable.

[sudden remnant]

oh- thats actually solid from a gen 2 mon

[stone trellis]

If you think I need bullshit in order to beat you, you must not know how shit my luck is.

[sudden remnant]

@stone trellis are yall gonna do bo3 or bo1

[stone trellis]

And if you feel that you lost to BS still, I can do a rematch.

[sudden remnant]

i wanna watch the matches

[solid frigate]

130 attack with 154 special defense and respectable physical bulk that it can abuse screens

My Ho-Oh never dies less than 3-4 turns that isn't super effective against it

[sudden remnant]

i assume unless your name is miraidon

[stone trellis]

I wonder how well the old PTFK would do into it.

[sudden remnant]

miraidon gets power gem right?

[stone trellis]

The one where Ice Rider is immune to Sacred Fire fuckery.

[upper zealot]

i think yeah

[stone trellis]

As if it needs that.

[sudden remnant]

it doesnt but it would be funny

[tawdry urchin]

For what? 😭

[stone trellis]

Remember, Electric hits Flying for super effective either way.

[solid frigate]

and Kyogre but tera water helps (Yes tera water just for CIR Kyogre MU)

But Tera Grass is always a good choice generally if you are not losing any matchups

[stone trellis]

And it does.

[sudden remnant]

it does in fact

[upper zealot]

but yeah drift would do more

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-miraidon-plush-spin-silly-gif-7447766115590536849

Miraidon after rajan bal

[stone trellis]

It's one of the four moves Mirai knows when you first gain access to it, in fact.

[sudden remnant]

you right lmao

its also the move i spammed to beat professor turos mirai

because i could

[stone trellis]

It's fun to see that even after not bothering with VGC for a month and a half, I'm still the fuckass nerd I used to be.

[tawdry urchin]

Anyone want some pratice matches on showdown?

[sudden remnant]

be prepared to be pestered for ev spreads again

[solid frigate]

i'm just taking a short break with some randbats shenangins

[stone trellis]

Hey Vex, you have my permission to use the old PTFK if 1UK3 pesters you for practice matches.

Just a heads up, the new one has Tera Water Ice Rider.

[solid frigate]

Tera Water Ice RIder is goated

[sudden remnant]

i think i still have it saved

[stone trellis]

It is, but it makes my MU into Miraidon and Rilla miserable.

[tawdry urchin]

"pesters" I only asked once bruh 😭

[stone trellis]

"If"

[sudden remnant]

he said if and he was referring to you asking me for assistance

[tawdry urchin]

If no one replied to me asking the 1st time they probably won't the 2nd

[solid frigate]

Honestly this is somehow my most successful GC team made lol

ik its just tang gang but Froggy

[stone trellis]

These two memes are to me what bad teambuilding and mindless spam are to CSR players.

(Basically everything)

[sudden remnant]

yo paul can you send me the paste i dont have old ptfk saved on my mobile showdown acc

[tawdry urchin]

Greninja? 😭

[stone trellis]

Gang, go to #rental_teams and scroll up.

[forest arrow]

It was just a GC pick for fun

[solid frigate]

That suprisingly work

If not for Yotam’s Chi Yu.

I did not account for Yotam’s Chi Yu so I burnt my tera

[sudden remnant]

got it

[stone trellis]

Tang Gang's CIR team was my fiest VGC team, so I hold infinite respect for it.

[forest arrow]

It was one of my favorites

[stone trellis]

It's also why Hearthflame, CIR and Lando are involved in nearly every team I've ever made since then.

[sudden remnant]

i gotta go find this hooh korai team where did yall say i could find it?

[solid frigate]

I almost panicked from the team ngl

[forest arrow]

I was on CIR peli for a long time til Tang Gang dropped that(if I wasn’t playing Koraidon)

[solid frigate]

Hearthflame in that team living Cornerstone cudgel is peak

@forest arrow I think I remember when I was doing GC with the Greninja Version of Tang Gang Team i legit just spammed in the chat and say Yotam don’t kill me

The fight or flight response go into me

[forest arrow]

Haha

[stone trellis]

Unrelated, but I ate this huge potato chip yesterday.

Sadly, it snapped in half.

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/f83948009ab73f0b

@sudden remnant

[solid frigate]

NOT THE POTATO CHIP NOOOOOOOOO

[forest arrow]

Funnest team ever btw

[sudden remnant]

i am for sure replacing that iron treads but otherwise nice team

[solid frigate]

We all just hyping that team in VC and

Me and Monke just laugh so hard on it

[forest arrow]

Treads was such a cool miraidon counter

[stone trellis]

Fun fact: Whenever I see a fat cat, my immediate instinct is to call it "Incineroar".

[solid frigate]

Treads just treat as Miraidon counter or if you are fine with replacing then Lando is also fine

[stone trellis]

Also, Impish nature should be called Obese nature.

[solid frigate]

LMFAO

[stone trellis]

It makes the Pokemon fat as fuck, so...

[sudden remnant]

shame it doesnt have ev spreads

[stone trellis]

Pester me tomorrow, gang.

[sudden remnant]

you know i will

[forest arrow]

I may have the team

[stone trellis]

Later on today, whatever.

[forest arrow]

Let me see if it was before my pc wiped my teams I’m on my phone rn

[stone trellis]

No worries, I'll do the job.

[sudden remnant]

yeah pauls got me

he also explains his ev spreads to me so it helps me a lot

[forest arrow]

Sounds good, it was after the wipe so I don’t have it :/

[stone trellis]

What does Ho-oh desire to live normally?

[forest arrow]

At least get you a 3hko from CSR

[solid frigate]

At least 3HKO from Caly Shadow

I think living Miraidon Draco Meteor is possible idk I haven’t calc’d it

[sudden remnant]

my only option to replace treads is lando?

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 204 HP / 4 SpD Ho-Oh: 172-204 (83 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Oh yeah its possible

[solid frigate]

basically yeah

[sudden remnant]

sighhhh

so its a lose-lose

[forest arrow]

Treads was specifically for mirai mu they give you the boost from their own terrain

And Lando is my goat chill on that💔

[sudden remnant]

i despise lando

therian is fine though i suppose but incarnate just looks ugly as hell

[solid frigate]

There isn’t any ground type besides those two and Ursaluna

And Ursaluna does not fit that team

[sudden remnant]

yeah no

if im using lando can it at least be lando T?

doggo form

[solid frigate]

It wouldn’t be the worst thing but it would also be a liability you could have

[sudden remnant]

would give me a second intimidate

and still be physical like treads

i wish koraidon learned play rough

[solid frigate]

….

[sudden remnant]

well mirai got dgleam and what did korai get

[forest arrow]

Flare Blitz rahhhhhhhhh

[sudden remnant]

mirai has overheat

what did korai get to (try) and balance mirai dgleam

[solid frigate]

FLARE BLITZ GO BRRRRRRRR

[forest arrow]

The only moves Koraidon needs is blitz combat charge

And protect of course

[solid frigate]

And protect but Tbf anyone knows that

[sudden remnant]

i really liked scale shot koraidon

it was really fun in reg I

[solid frigate]

Thinking about my choices

[sudden remnant]

i also tried a lorb dragon claw set

that was fun too

i wish dragon rush was more accurate

[forest arrow]

I tried the breaking swipe set and was horrified, scale shot wasn’t terrible but not my fav either

[sudden remnant]

chat chat can i use my meowscarada in this team

[solid frigate]

Please don’t

[sudden remnant]

tera ground

scarf

triple axel flower trick tera ground tblast uturn

im probably burning down the entire city with my cooking

but i want my mascot pokemon on my team

[solid frigate]

I’m gonna prominence Drop this idea

[sudden remnant]

gonna huh

big word

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/仮面ライダーooo-ta-ja-dor-eternity-kamen-rider-ooo-toei-tokusatsu-gif-25415314

Basically a drop kick in your idea

[sudden remnant]

but its my mascot pokemon

and it could be worse lets be fr

meow isnt that bad of a mon

[solid frigate]

It’s good in singles but somehow it’s worse than Gren due to being Physical and so much weakness before protean

It’s a slight bias but I tried both of them before in VGC

[sudden remnant]

252 Atk Tera Stellar Meowscarada Triple Axel (120 BP) (3 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 150-180 (85.2 - 102.2%) -- 0.7% chance to OHKO

[dense latch]

that's kinda sad

[sudden remnant]

screw it im doing it

my mascot will not be left behind

although if im tera stellar i can go back to knock off from tera blast

tera ground tera blast only did like 70% anyways

nah sucker punch axel into sucker punch will for sure kill

[bleak reef]

Is 11 IV attack in BM Ursaluna good enough?

[sudden remnant]

ursaluna bms attack iv doesnt even matter

its a special attacker

[bleak reef]

For less foul play damage

[sudden remnant]

there are what 2 mons in current day vgc that use foul play and im certain neither of them kill ubm

although i think the optimal attack iv with foul play and confusion in mind is 4

[bleak reef]

Yeah, I caught one with 0 speed and 11 attack and I’m wondering if I should keep it or reset for at least 5 in attack or lower

But that would take longer than shiny hunting old legendaries

[sudden remnant]

the one you have should be fine

[bleak reef]

Yeah I think it’s fine

Ty

[sudden remnant]

i could calc the farigiraf foul play just in case

[dense latch]

i'd say that's decent

[bleak reef]

I’m guessing from 0 to 11 you get like 5hp difference

Depending on the ev spread idk

[forest arrow]

I think it’s fine

[sudden remnant]

it takes 10% your fine

[dense latch]

0 IVs in attack is just really really optimizing your team and it's not worth it for a mon that takes so long to reset like blursa

[sudden remnant]

i heard the optimal one is actually 4 attack ivs in case you learn fake out

[dense latch]

yea like for gothitelle

[sudden remnant]

causes fake out to do 1 point more damage and still takes the same from foul play and confusion as you would at 0

[bleak reef]

Yeah, getting both 0 speed and attack would take forever since you get 31 in each of them more than 50% of the time

[bleak reef]

That would be too specific lol

[sudden remnant]

and meowstic tho no one uses it

[sudden remnant]

its optimized i dont make the rules 😭

[bleak reef]

Ik lol

I dont think anyone is going for yhat realistically

[sudden remnant]

wolfe glick wants a word

[dense latch]

wolfe won orlando with suboptimal mons

[sudden remnant]

he made a whole video about optimizing his gothitelle

[dense latch]

he had like 20 attack IVs

[sudden remnant]

and bred a different one from the ORAS games for the title with 4 ivs

[dense latch]

it's different for non legendaries/ non static encounter mons

way easier to optimize when you're breeding for them

[sudden remnant]

i gotta figure out iv breeding

[bleak reef]

Its much easier with pokemon that you can breed or catch multiples of

BM ursaluna has 3 fixed IVs which makes it a lot harder to get the ideal ones

[sudden remnant]

i know

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/BTrickroomZ/status/2022330535914471452?s=20

ビッチィ【Yuta Ishigaki】 (@BTrickroomZ)

マジで何もできず負け泣
構築相性割と終わってたしされたら嫌だな〜って思ってたこと全部されて横転した
もう後がない…

X · Feb 13, 2026, 3:22 PM

[sudden remnant]

wait moxie boosted is still active in the vgc scene?

[shadow wind]

Gained 10 elo, went no where on the ladder 😔

Why do the elo gaps get so large at high ladder

Like why am I still 40th

They want me to risk it all so badly

To hit 1600 is really just one game away

Wait my gxe didn't even go up, too many games on this account I guess

Also hands just lived 2 +1 fiery dances from volc in the sun

I love this guy

Wait why am I pink 😭

My love for hands was so strong I changed colours

I indeed lost it all

-29, thank you game

[shadow wind]

Type of stuff you deal with in this joke of a format

[warm estuary]

Looks like a good idea to me

Jokin

[shadow wind]

The guy who is first on the Reg I ladder used Groudon 😔

I feel like I just let down my entire identity

[stone trellis]

We can do fights together to help each other become better.

[shadow wind]

Yeah but that guy hog washed me 3 times

Stupid Tera steel will o wisping Groudon behind screens

Literal cts made team

[stone trellis]

I smell food.

[shadow wind]

It’s so so so terrible into Kyogre

That team gets exploded by Kyogre

I genuinely don’t know how they did it

[stone trellis]

What's the team?

[shadow wind]

It’s very similar to the Portland team

Groudon Miraidon Grimmsnarl Volcarona Incin and I think the 6th was Urshifu? I don’t remember exactly they never brought it

Av Miraidon and electric seed QD tera dragon Volc

Then just super standard Grimmsnarl and Incin sets

But yeah the Groudon set was fried

[sudden remnant]

just played the sweatiest game of mtg arena ive ever played in my life

unfortunately for bro his sephiroth was no match for my snek

[quaint oriole]

does giving incin tera grass/safety goggles make sense in a miraidon team??

[foggy lodge]

Not really

Tera grass is good for Incin for other reasons like water and ground types and getting rid of resistances but I don't see a reason for goggles Incin on Miraidon

[quaint oriole]

is tera grass also better than tera ghost tho?? and should i then just run with AV instead??

[tawdry urchin]

@stone trellis You ready for the battle?

[foggy lodge]

Depends on what you need there is almost never objectively better teras for certain mons

Unless is something like Koraidon where you are basically forced to use tera fire

[waxen dock]

tera ghost is in safty googles sets

[quaint oriole]

thanks for the input guys

[waxen dock]

tera grass is in sytrus and av sets

[tawdry urchin]

https://pokepast.es/6801a16eea7dae4a What do I replace incin for?

[solid frigate]

It really just depends on the teams context ngl

[brisk crater]

Esp if you have a pokemon prone to spore with a pokemon thats already decent with grass as a defensive type

[stone trellis]

My username is PaulGoodman777.

[tawdry urchin]

Wrong user

nvm

[stone trellis]

Is it best of 3?

[tawdry urchin]

yes

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2539650766-318j1cew331fk7o8xkv9umn285c575spw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2539652503-46c3gfk38n7dematwjxc880kt2rkga4pw

(He would've lost even without the crit lmao)

[tawdry urchin]

This is why I want to get rids of incin

completely usless

[stone trellis]

Ignoring the fact that Incineroar is a huge problem for Ice Rider that I've learned to counter near perfectly over the course of six months.

[tawdry urchin]

Ok?

doesn't chnage the fact it's a shit mon

[stone trellis]

It really isn't.

You are just shit at using it.

And you're too far in that fantasy of yours to realise that it's a strong Pokemon.

[tawdry urchin]

It's literally a fakeout merchant and thats all it's good at

it gets outspead and ko'ed by everything

[solid frigate]

Aka Skill issue

[solid frigate]

There’s a reason why you invest bulk on that guy

[stone trellis]

Again, snap back to reality.

It being unfit for the context of your shitty team doesn't make it bad.

[solid frigate]

Oh there goes gravity (Sorry)

[tawdry urchin]

It unbenfits me which is why I want to swap it 😁

[dense latch]

saying incin is trash is unfortunately a skill issue

there’s a difference between a pokemon not fitting your team, not knowing how to take advantage of it and it actually being trash

[solid frigate]

My reaction to Lugia simp rn

[tawdry urchin]

"skill issue" when all it can do is get a fake out before getting obliterated

[stone trellis]

That is literally a skill issue though.

If you can't preserve a Pokemon with that level of bulk, it is simply your problem.

[tawdry urchin]

86 speed btw 💔

[solid frigate]

If anything it’s a denial that Incin is literally that Mon to stop all things

[dense latch]

it doesn’t need speed, frankly it’s better off being slow to get parting shot off after the opponent so you get a safe switch

[stone trellis]

CIR is 49 Speed btw 💔

[tawdry urchin]

It'll be dead by then

[stone trellis]

If you don't know how to EV and preserve it, yes.

[tawdry urchin]

And has crazy bulk?

[stone trellis]

If you use it only for Fake Out, that's all it'll ever do.

[dense latch]

you can try something over incin but it doesnt mean it’s trash

maybe an ogerpon idk

[tawdry urchin]

Something that can deal with cir

[solid frigate]

It’s funny that the so called fake out merchant literally does that lol

Flare Blitz/Will-O-Wisp
knock off
Parting shot

[waxen dock]

https://klipy.com/gifs/incineroar-default-dance-1

[bold geode]

@lofty tartan you watching EUIC by chance? Zach Weed is finna play semis

[tawdry urchin]

Flare blitz ain't gone do shi 😭

half hp max

[solid frigate]

That’s Damage lmfao

You expect everything is one hit KO then play Miraidon

And if you have that mindset you literally can’t play any Pokémon

[dense latch]

especially not lugia lmao

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah before getting blasted by hhp

[stone trellis]

Here's a tip: Most CIR players lack the balls (or the bravery if you're a woman) to use an offensive set.

[solid frigate]

Hell with that mindset he can’t play a single Pokémon at all

I’m being blunt and honest,he doesn’t deserve to play VGC

[solid frigate]

At least I’m not those guy

I still love the offensive set

[stone trellis]

90% of them just use a punk-ass set with Leftovers that tries (and usually fails) to live forever because they don't know how to balance defensive and offensive play.

As do I.

[bold geode]

Don't say that again

[solid frigate]

Sorry I’m just too tired for a week we still on this shit

[bold geode]

I don't care
We don't do that in this chat

How is that love

[tawdry urchin]

Ok? They still have tera water btw and then what?

[bold geode]

@gentle crag you dumb as hell

[waxen dock]

what happend?

[stone trellis]

Grass and Electric are common for a reason.

And most use weird and lame shit like Ground, Grass or Fairy.

[bold geode]

Nothing
A mistake was made
It was corrected
Let's not talk about it

[waxen dock]

ok

[dense latch]

there’s no one mon solution to a whole ass restricted mon there’s a reason they’re that strong in the meta

[waxen dock]

anyways who do you think win this?

[bold geode]

I'm rooting for Zac

[waxen dock]

im rooting for roberto

[bold geode]

Zach Weed deserves to win something

[tawdry urchin]

Ok so what mon do I use

[dense latch]

if they tera then you allow make it so your team can pin it into taking massive damage with or without tera

[waxen dock]

yeah

[bold geode]

Plus he's having a damn good season rn

[waxen dock]

but roberto is only hope for the italians and i want to talians to win every regional atp

[bold geode]

Lol

[waxen dock]

but i feel like euic can be an exception

since its something diffrent

[tawdry urchin]

With what? I have no electric or grass attacks

[dense latch]

so change your team

if you really dont wanna use incin you can use ogerpon hearthflame and cornerstone

[lofty tartan]

I'm actually working but I've been cheering him on. Zach Weed is NE

[tawdry urchin]

can ogerpon even ko cir? I'd rather be able to 1 shot it

[lofty tartan]

Always rep for my scene. NE for lyfe.

[bold geode]

I've been cheering for him too
He deserves it, very skilled player

Someone that's just a case of not if
Only when

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I'm hype for him. Didn't he just win his Top 4?

I'm gonna watch the stream after I get home.

[bold geode]

Still in Game 2 rn but he's got the lead
He might actually
Yeah he lost Game 2

But it's going to Game 3

[lofty tartan]

🤞

[bold geode]

Also apparently Wolfe got knocked out by Giovanni Cischke
Again

Gio my goat

[bold geode]

Texas also did pretty well too
Not only did Gio finish 10-3 (though he bubbled out of top 32)
But there's a guy named Apollo who was the NAIC finalist in the senior division last year
He just aged up to masters this season and he went 10-3 too

[dense latch]

even csr doesn’t always OHKO cir

but im pretty sure hearthflame can if you can use your tera on it

[bold geode]

I'd be surprised if it didn't

[dense latch]

+1 12 Atk Tera-Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider: 224-268 (108.2 - 129.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO ok yea it’s always a ko

even with little attack invest it does 55-64 with no tera

[stone trellis]

It's a super effective 100 BP STAB move that receives an extra 20% boost.

That's nothing to be surprised at.

[dense latch]

yea i was pretty sure it did but i just wanted to know for certain, been a bit since i played restricted formats

not that i’m surprised by it

[craggy dagger]

[stone trellis]

I kind of want to make a level in Geometry Dash that requires triple alternating levels of spam in order to beat and then verify it myself.

Why did the bot heart react me?

Because of the word "verify"?

[dense latch]

want maybe?

something that has to do with the valentines theme i guess

[stone trellis]

Also, the purple heart gave me war flashbacks.

"You are an angel" ahh 😭

[foggy lodge]

i want to get a heart from the bot too

I LOVE INCIN RILLA SHIFU FLUTTER RAGING BOLT OGERPON

LETS GOO

[shadow wind]

Why are we all pink

[foggy lodge]

Ok dude this meta actually sucks LMAO

7 out of 8 teams of top 8 have Urshifu water

Not even different types of Urshifus only water

[dense latch]

everyone is pink for an amazing reason

[shadow wind]

But I was so blue before

I had almost no roles

[tawdry urchin]

Is this usable? (idk what else to give it)

[shadow wind]

Bro just use Raikou at that point

[tawdry urchin]

raikou doesn't have charm and jolteon is faster

[shadow wind]

/dt Jolteon

Ah heck nah

[shadow wind]

Bros gonna die to a brute bonnet seed bomb

[stone trellis]

It's like if Flutter Mane was made in Gen 2 💔

[tawdry urchin]

?

[shadow wind]

Brodie Jolteon was Gen 1

[shadow wind]

My stat checker didn’t work because I’m on mobile and with 2 bars of service

[tawdry urchin]

ah ok

[tawdry urchin]

It won't if I decrease it's attack by half lmao

[shadow wind]

Normally it auto fills but it didn’t so I looked like I was geeking

What does bro do against Zama

[tawdry urchin]

tail wind charm?

does jolteon not outpseed zama?

[shadow wind]

Charm the body pressing Zama 😔😔😔

Might as well eerie impulse it

[tawdry urchin]

won't it not do less damage?

I can allways just protect or ko zama with landious

[shadow wind]

Charm does nothing against press

It’s kind of why Zama is so good into Incin

[tawdry urchin]

Ok but again I can allways just protect and ko zama with landious

[shadow wind]

And the very common Chien pao partner just doesn’t attack?

[tawdry urchin]

tera steel

https://pokepast.es/07fa3a58ad345df3

[shadow wind]

Zama still outspeeds brochacho

All I’m saying is that having only 1 Mon that beats Zama can screw you big time if you misplay once

[tawdry urchin]

Ok? If the oppodent is going to attack landious with pao then why would zama also attack it?

[shadow wind]

Well if they double protect to scout or bring it in later yknow

[tawdry urchin]

I just want to TRY OUT joltoen for fun and see if it works or not. What do I give it?

[shadow wind]

Twave probably

Charm and eerie impulse are very very underwhelming

It probably learns alluring voice as well

[tawdry urchin]

Why?

It'll make everything weaker

[shadow wind]

There’s 2 mons

Whatever you don’t weaken just kills you

You could run Tera fairy volt absorb as a Miraidon wall

[tawdry urchin]

This good?

[shadow wind]

How much milage would that be getting when things like flutter still outspeed

And I’d strongly suggest Twave on there

[tawdry urchin]

Now you're just type shit, every pokemon has it's counter

[shadow wind]

Yes but flutter is very common

I’d rather have a bad head to head with Ting Lu than with Chien Pao

[tawdry urchin]

Ok I'll just kill with zama or something it's not an issue

[shadow wind]

Rock paper scissors 😔😔😔😔

[tawdry urchin]

what is flutter supposed to do to zama?

[shadow wind]

Tera fairy specs moonblast it for like 80

Very average flutter mane experience lowkey

[tawdry urchin]

No one uses specs on flutter 💔

everyone uses capsule

[shadow wind]

What are even on about

10% of flutters use specs

[tawdry urchin]

Only 10%...

Ok now you're really just typing shit

[bold geode]

Low-key
Some research would do you some good

[tawdry urchin]

For what?

[bold geode]

Just knowing shit LOL

From our conversations, another issue I see is that if I were to grade your knowledge on just general VGC stuff, you'd barely get a 10%

[tawdry urchin]

What don't I know? Oh no I don't know that 10% of flutter manes run specs, anyways 💔

[bold geode]

I've seen you say quite a few things that are wrong
Ice Rider isn't bulky (it is)
Incineroar gets shredded by HHP (it takes a chunk but it lives)
And some other things but I don't wanna dig thru archives

And yet you keep saying that others are talking out their ass when you don't know much yourself
There's resources in the pins, I suggest you hit the books

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah no shot fraudroar lives a hhp from cir

[bold geode]

So you're telling me you don't think Incineroar lives a HHP from Incin

[tawdry urchin]

From cir yes

[bold geode]

Well I got a damage calc here that says it does
252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Incineroar: 154-182 (76.2 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

And that's looking at an Incineroar that really isn't physically invested meaning it can take less damage

[tawdry urchin]

He has a base 90 defence... this is just wrong

[bold geode]

You wanna see for yourself, here's the calculator
https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

Run the damage numbers yourself if you don't believe me

I'll wait

[tawdry urchin]

More controls than an airplane 🥀

[bold geode]

Lemme guess
You don't know how to do it
Here I'll instruct you
So do you see on one side where it says Abomasnow

I want you to hit that and type in Incineroar
It'll give you a few sets, the one I selected was the max speed one

Lmk when you have that done

[tawdry urchin]

just because some calculator says so doesn't mean it'll be the same in game. Theres no possible way a pokmemon with base 90 defence is living a supereffctive attack againts a pokmeon with base 165 attack 💔

[bold geode]

That calculator literally has the formulas in it that the game uses
Also

1. No STAB
2. And this one is gonna blow your fucking mind so bear with me

Sometimes neutral damage can be stronger than super effective damage

[tawdry urchin]

calyrex can learn close combat lmfao, incin ain't gon do shit against that

or heck any pokemon a fighting typing move

[bold geode]

Anyways point is
That damage you see on the calculator
Unless a crit or some other factor comes in like Sword of Ruin boosts or Helping Hand boosts or Atk boosts, which you can calculate on there too btw
The damage you see on that calculator will be what happens in game
Or most the time it will, only differences come in with like investments, but in this case
I showed you the maximum investment so any lower does less

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[dense latch]

what do you think the damage calculator does

ngl if this is ragebait you're doing an amazing job

[bold geode]

It gotta be bro

Actually I say that
But I've been wrong before

[stone trellis]

If it were ragebait, he wouldn't have lost to me so badly.

I think he's just in a completely wrong mindset.

[bold geode]

Welp he's gone
Anyways chat how we doin

Are we getting some good GC prep

[stone trellis]

I built this in Geometry Dash for fun.

Some motherfucker told me this was free btw 💔

[tawdry urchin]

Because I have nothing for ccr 🤦‍♂️

[stone trellis]

Oh shit, I need to build a team.

[bold geode]

Youre tapping on that screen mad heavy

[stone trellis]

THEN GET SOMETHING HOLY SHIT

[bold geode]

I can hear those taps buddy

Fuckin

[stone trellis]

I tap the screen like that because I'm used to butterfly clicking on my keyboard.

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-keyboard-fast-gif-22223727

[stone trellis]

I genuinely SLAM those keys sometimes 😭

[bold geode]

I just eat shit

[gentle crag]

1uk919 (ID 817056763429257236)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
Something that can deal with cir

Command triggered by 1uk919. Message from · Feb 14, 2026, 6:27 PM

[stone trellis]

Do I buff it or nah?

Incineroar does deal with it, especially bulkier variants.

It's just that I am absolutely cracked at MUs because I have been running this team since September of last year.

[bold geode]

Make that part a swing copter no balls

[stone trellis]

I might add swing later.

The gimmick of this level is that it's basically going to be Fairy Knife Hell (entire level is in 4x speed) + Angelicide (crazy spam).

[bold geode]

I've only beaten 5 demons and they were all very easy and none were the main Robtop ones

[tawdry urchin]

Half hp ins't good enough and they can just tera

[stone trellis]

1UK3, listen to me very closely.

[bold geode]

Actually I forget what it was called
There was this one insane demon that was gonna be deleted so for like a day it was just a blank level that still counted as a demon

[stone trellis]

Immediate damage isn't everything.

Knock Off might only do around 20-25% post Tera, but it means that Ice Rider is now susceptible to Parting Shot.

Which means you can weaken it.

[bold geode]

Hell considering you're using Lugia, you wanna be playing it slower anyways, not blasting shit to the moon every turn

[tawdry urchin]

"Calyrex-Ice Rider use close combat!"

[stone trellis]

Thinking that your only opportunity to defeat a Pokemon is the first attack you launch against it is dumb.

Tera the Incineroar then.

[bold geode]

They rarely use CC and uh
They probably hold up

[stone trellis]

CC Ice Rider has fallen off hard, let me tell you.

[tawdry urchin]

Hold up for what? 😭

If theres a mon thats mainly support and decreasing my stats I want to ko it asap

[stone trellis]

Redirection then.

Just get a Pokemon that allows Incineroar to do its thing.

Hell, redirection can also allow Lugia to set up its own damage.

[bold geode]

Eh it actually takes some investment to live CC but that's a very rare used move cuz you don't wanna lower your defenses on that mon

[stone trellis]

I might verify it myself too.

Even if it takes 240k attempts, this is a level I'm gonna be really familiar with anyway.

[bold geode]

They like hmmm let's see actually

7% use Close Combat
So the other 93% are using Lance and HHP or sometimes just Lance

Hell 29% of that 93 chunk is just using Lance and using Leech Seed

[stone trellis]

Also, the CC issue can be resolved by either Teraing the Incineroar or using redirection.

@tawdry urchin If you want to, adapt your team in such a way that it can beat mine and fight me until you win once.

Please help him do it, he'll need all the help he can get.

[bold geode]

Basically idt you have to worry about Close Combat and if they do have it well it's better than them clicking Lance

[bold geode]

I already did
He swapped the items on Whims and Ursh for some weird ass reason but

Those 6 he showed us today
Is what I put together

[tawdry urchin]

So whim can do more than just set up tail wind?

I've been anle to win allot of games because of encore spam

[bold geode]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I guess
Just rather would've seen a different item on Urshifu
Like a Mystic or maybe even a Band idfk
Cloak ain't it

[stone trellis]

Go to #rental_teams and help him build a counter to PTFK.

[bold geode]

Play me rn Paul

[stone trellis]

I can't, it's 1 AM and I'm on my phone.

Which means no access to the teams on my Chromebook.

[bold geode]

Bruh

[tawdry urchin]

Can't you just copy and paste it?

[stone trellis]

I'd lose badly anyway since I'm washed.

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/a60c994887574e44
Well this is what I came up with exactly
Best I could do, we understand the pickings LMAO

[tawdry urchin]

.

[bold geode]

You think I play Lugia often lol

Yeah Paul you can take the paste and import it to your phone

[stone trellis]

I can't be fucked to play a game now, it's too late and I'll make stupid plays.

Let me be.

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[stone trellis]

Fine.

[bold geode]

(I'm just playing you're good)

[tawdry urchin]

excuses excuses

[bold geode]

You don't gotta

[stone trellis]

Hit me up for your next 2-0 loss tomorrow.

I'll be ready any time.

[tawdry urchin]

Yes because cir has no way to be 1 shotted 🥀

Either you don't tera or I predict

[stone trellis]

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO OHKO IT YOU FUCKING DUMBASS

[tawdry urchin]

YES I DO

[stone trellis]

Oh my God, he actually is stupid.

[bold geode]

Imma just say
Do you realize the actual number of Pokemon that CAN one shot Ice Rider

Cuz imma tell you
It is NOT that big

And especially when you're limiting yourself to Lugia, you just ain't gonna be doin that

[stone trellis]

And given my team's bulk, that number drops mighty close to zero anyway.

Yet people can and have beaten me before.

Because in the long term, almost any damage past 10% is good damage.

So play long term like your Pokemon are supposed to.

[bold geode]

It's okay
Imma just hit you with a +2 HH Astral Barrage

[stone trellis]

Oops, Wide Guard.

Must've been the wind.

[bold geode]

Oops, malaria

[stone trellis]

(I'm only using stuff that's actually on my team btw)

[bold geode]

My Zamazenta will come in with the fattest smallpox blanket

[stone trellis]

Fun fact: My Ice Rider has a 50/50 chance to OHKO CSR at +1.

It's either 50/50 or 43,75/56,25.

CSR when any neutral physical move from something with a good Attack stat hits it:

(Please take the bait Shit Rider players)

[stone trellis]

That cut is so shit, dude.

Did Zoink's barber give him that cut?

Did he ask for the medieval peasant cut?

[bold geode]

Pretty sure that's him growing it out

And like
It's alright

I've definitely seen worse

[stone trellis]

The fact that I've seen a cat get run over doesn't mean that seeing the aftermath of a person being beaten up isn't bad.

(AKA you may have seen worse, but it's still bad)

[bold geode]

Bro wtf

Anyways
You need to build a Reg F team oooooooooo

[tawdry urchin]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2539804617 lmfao

[stone trellis]

Congrats, you beat a low ladder CSR player.

[tawdry urchin]

Sorry for not grinding points 24/7 😢

[stone trellis]

You're only about eight levels of skill away from beating people that just spam shit randomly (looking at you, @sudden remnant).

[stone trellis]

I don't grind either, that's why I'm low on the ladder nowadays.

But yeah, that crit and the fact that they played like an absolute idiot shouldn't make you expect everyone to play like this.

[tawdry urchin]

It's either I go against someone whos trash using an actual competetive team or someone using random shit and gets obliterated 💔

[sudden remnant]

i dont spam randomly

[dense latch]

what did cynicalvex do he's been catching some random ass strays 😭

[sudden remnant]

im always catching strays from paul lmao

some of them are true

but i dont randomly click buttons 😔

[sudden remnant]

wait what is landos item

[tawdry urchin]

life orb

[sudden remnant]

ah okay

[left bobcat]

Hey Greg

Wanna come over and PLAY!!!

[foggy lodge]

Deserves to be brought back after today's events
https://fixupx.com/konqVGC/status/1969821424849170751?s=20

Kian (@konqVGC)

congrats on the top cut @WhimsicottVG

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[bold geode]

Yeah fuck you /j

[bold geode]

Y'know
I would judge you hard for the stupid shit you say
But every now and then like rn
You be dropping some elite ball knowledge

[dense latch]

i've told you like a million times rowley the kids our age say "hang out"

[foggy lodge]

I WATCHED THE TRILOGY LIKE TWO WEEKS AGO

I love those movies so based

[dense latch]

i need to rewatch them they're peak cinema

[foggy lodge]

How to be Rodrick google tutorial

Btw I saw this at a mall today but I saw the price and it hurt me

Someday I'll buy it I love Alcremie too much

[stone trellis]

I'd ask you to respond with your own strays, but you don't really have much to work.

[sudden remnant]

im also not a very insulting person

too much work

[sudden remnant]

[next stump]

https://x.com/amcharles0/status/2022831809147420688?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Austin Charles 🔜 Orlando 🌴 (@amcharles0)

They should let you take your side event tickets up to the stage and wager them on stream matches

Can you imagine how insane the crowd would be

X · Feb 15, 2026, 12:34 AM

[shell meadow]

Currently trying to get a good bloodmoon Ursaluna and found one with 1 attack IV and 16-17 speed IVs.
Tbh, I don't know if I'm ever gonna use it.
Would you consider this good enough for non-tournament play or should I go for lower speed?

[stone trellis]

I have one.

Also, most never really go slow.

[shell meadow]

Ah, okay. I'll keep this one then.

[waxen dock]

seniors final is a mirror

[stone trellis]

Bolt balance?

[serene shore]

Omg that's so great I would love to own that someday

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2540096686-aoah7xpjgutdsurf32s43jhf90pg6s7pw

Average CSR-Zama game when they don't have Rilla and don't bring in Zamazenta:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2540099878-n81ox6sid2a3hj4re8nyddbq0961lm7pw

[gentle island]

can guys rate my reg f team?

https://pokepast.es/333d7c6bcd11481b

[bold geode]

Archaludon is usually better with Pelipper (though Tornadus is fine)
But Haunter is not it, I'd rather see something like an Amoonguss there
Also plz don't post in #rental_teams unless you're posting a rental

[stone trellis]

Anyone got a spare Tornadus?

I asked in the trading channels and nobody responded.

[upper zealot]

torn smeargle i think

[stone trellis]

BRIMSTONE EW

[upper zealot]

i wish kevin made it though

my goat needs to get another stream appearance

[warm estuary]

Haunter is a strange pick

[gentle island]

yeah is was a spicy pick to use against ursaluna it cant be hit be hit by any stab

[stone trellis]

?

[gentle island]

sorry wrong reply

[gentle island]

thanks and heard

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/JacobSkraw/status/2022960744023654829?s=20

Skraw! VGC (@JacobSkraw)

Do you think if they announce a format after reg F for SV at EUIC people are gonna start booing

X · Feb 15, 2026, 9:06 AM

[upper zealot]

yeah

they def would

[stone trellis]

"You WILL play the new format, you WILL not get Champions until September and you WILL be happy!"

[bold geode]

ALRIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP SUNDAY VG CHAT

[waxen dock]

juniors now

then there is leland smith and charlie kim with that torn ho mirror

and them paul chua vs zachary weed with the psyspam vs bolt balance

[stone trellis]

So the Italians' win streak is broken?

[shadow wind]

Move is lowkey broken

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9randombattle-2540222487-osdp3nhgtcaeqsl6nvlrh6a653qot0ipw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2540225978-soot7eckw2qrq2ix5men3bksljvnfempw

[warm estuary]

Ok you got a point

[wild depot]

That game was so fucking hype

Game 3 time

Holy fuck seniors was so hype

[warm estuary]

You are so right

[wild depot]

That was such a good match

A lucky match too

I hope masters isn’t a snooze

[warm estuary]

You always need a bit of luck 😉

[wild depot]

Insanely well played though by both

Yeah

[waxen dock]

It was a mirror

[wild depot]

So?

It was a good mirror

Really fuckin exciting

So many gambles

Masters time

[bold geode]

LET'S GO YOUNG SHELDON

[wild depot]

We rooting for Zachary?

[bold geode]

Exact mirror too

[wild depot]

Yuppp

[bold geode]

I am

[wild depot]

He was sat in front of me during all of junior

Didn’t even notice until
He went to stage

lol

[bold geode]

Honestly both people are insanely good so

[wild depot]

Good start already

[warm estuary]

Taunt rapid strike urshifu

Is insane

[bold geode]

Oh

[wild depot]

Zachary is doing so well already

[dense latch]

i'm rooting for paul

[bold geode]

No Icy Wind is wild

The survival is crazy

This is Ivy swap DeeDee

That is something

[wild depot]

Yooooo

[bold geode]

Deadass Ivy Hearth and Follow Me

[wild depot]

So well played here

Good first one

I think it’s over

Oh no

It’s so over

GG

So well played by everyone

[warm estuary]

Gg to Paul

[lofty tartan]

Finalist at EUIC 26 is huge. Super proud of Zach

[wild depot]

Yup insanely well played

[lofty tartan]

Chua built different. They both played well

[wild depot]

The biggest VGc tournament to date

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it's a huge accomplishment. And he's secured his invite 🔥

[wild depot]

Top 8 right?

@pure niche you next year

[bold geode]

Bro from now on, if I want someone to win I'm cheering for the other guy

[lofty tartan]

Nah Zach played really well and he doesn't even like this format.

Huge W for him

[bold geode]

Real

[lofty tartan]

He no longer has to touch Reg F or a GC

[foggy lodge]

He doesn't have to play more SV

[lofty tartan]

That's real lol

[wild depot]

SO TRUE

CHAMPIONS NEXT

Taunt my goat

[lofty tartan]

So hype for champions

[pure niche]

First ruleset for Champions I'm sensing an Azumarill viable format

[wild depot]

You’ll be ready

[lofty tartan]

Hype for the next competitive season too because I actually have financial ability to participate consistently

[pure niche]

So so ready

[wild depot]

See you all next year at euic

[lofty tartan]

Monke better come visit me at an event this season.

[pure niche]

Thanks for hosting us

We had to run otherwise I was going to come in to say goodbye, you'll have to hold on to the memory for a year or so

[wild depot]

Lil man made it to top 32. He’s my real MVP

It’s okay, you owe me 2 kisses next year

[bold geode]

I want to but idk
Got other stuff to straighten out first

Hell in a few days I'm FINALLY getting my car worked on after months of needing to do that

[lofty tartan]

You'll have to work it out and make an appearance finally

[stone trellis]

My team for the GC is almost ready.

Time to take a break from playing Geometry Dash and start farming shitty players until I somehow end up matching against Wolfey.

[bold geode]

Real
I'm trying to but for now we're just keeping the skills sharp and trying to straighten out life

I don't wanna be adult

[solid frigate]

https://x.com/serebiinet/status/2022461032883466637?s=46

I love how they are too late to let us VGC players farm a no speed IV Enamorus

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Update: The Pokémon GO Therian Forme Enamorus Raid Day event is now rolling out

Runs from 14:00 to 17:00 local time

Details @ https://t.co/z2uIELsryD

X · Feb 14, 2026, 12:01 AM

[molten oasis]

Well

You always could, you just usually didn’t cus the grind for it was awful

[warm estuary]

Enamorus still remains shit

[solid frigate]

Sadly yeah

[molten oasis]

Well,

I don’t think enamorous is a bad pokemon, it just has to compete with fucking fluttermane

Why is the bot hearting my messages

[solid frigate]

Fuck Rotom /j

[stone trellis]

I don't fucking know why.

[sudden remnant]

[shadow wind]

Yknow I just remembered some people are like genuinely left handed

Why is that even a thing anyway

[dense latch]

they just want attention dont worry