competitive_discussion

[hollow echo]

there isn't any good moves

[short quiver]

sludge bomb

sludge wave? i think?

[hollow echo]

i didn't find them when i search poison

now i find them

[short quiver]

you searched poison by name probably and not by the actual type

ive done that

[hollow echo]

i see

for leaf storm

[short quiver]

keep it

its fine

[hollow echo]

ok

[short quiver]

and is this nat dex singles or doubles

please say singles

[hollow echo]

singles

[short quiver]

because if this is doubles you have exactly 0 support

[hollow echo]

i see

[solid frigate]

Just drop the team-

Actually no

[hollow echo]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9nationaldex-2473289767

[short quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1399818028623069275/1433695024532553829/image0.gif

[hollow echo]

how bad was it?

[short quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1399818028623069275/1433695024532553829/image0.gif

toxapex tried to poison a poison type, amoongus clear smogged venusaurs spa drop from leaf storm, you tried to leech seed a grass type, amoongus is using FOUL PLAY, and amoongus tried sporing into what would have been a venusaur had you not switched

what the fuck did i just watch 😭

[dense latch]

your opponent needs to review the type chart

[short quiver]

they really REALLY do

and for future reference leech seed doesnt work on grass types

😭

also why the fuck did amoongus have foul play

and even better question why did he click it into a venusaur

a SPECIAL ATTACKER?

my brain hurts

my elo should not be this low

[hollow echo]

i know that

[short quiver]

so why did you do it 😭

[hollow echo]

it was a misclick

also

there was other pokemon before it

[short quiver]

no there wasnt

amoongus was already on the field

[hollow echo]

then it was missclick

[short quiver]

i watched the whole thing twice

omg league of legends semifinals bye chat gotts go watch t1

[hollow echo]

when did i use it?

i didn't see using seed

s

i am using venusaur
not amoongus

ahh i find it

[cyan smelt]

just lost to fucking rain dance persian and waterfall ludicolo and poliwrath

[hollow echo]

why didn't you use pokemon to change weather

[short quiver]

that sounds horrible

[cyan smelt]

then I lost to an eeveelution team

[short quiver]

not everyone uses weather

[short quiver]

💀

nah thats just disrespectful

[cyan smelt]

then i lost to weezing slaking and palafin and pelipper

[short quiver]

sweaty ass mfs goddamn

[cyan smelt]

then i lost to haze dnite, i thought this team was good?

[short quiver]

what team are you running

[cyan smelt]

now i lost to tera water tera blast gholdengo

[short quiver]

lmao

[cyan smelt]

i hate low ladder

[stone trellis]

This is the team's first step.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2473327568-9pol52cq6sn55ti4olqxbcljoqd0wylpw

[waxen dock]

Number 1

[cyan smelt]

i'm going bad with this smeargle team on bo1 ladder

[short quiver]

can we talk about SUICUNE

not learning LIFE DEW?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2473335435

[cyan smelt]

maybe i should stick to bo3 because there's too much random cheese on bo1

[short quiver]

thats the whole point of playing bo1

to cheese and get away with it

[hollow echo]

what is bo1/

?

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9nationaldex-2473343839

[short quiver]

best of 1

there's best of 1 and best of 3

[hollow echo]

i see

[hollow echo]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9nationaldex-2473351125-9nj4vw9eay39lsbl965lxpetp2ch66dpw

[waxen dock]

This is smogon so there is only bo1, but in vgc there is bo3 where you can see your opponrnt team and there are 3 games andd if someone wins 2 they win the set

[real prairie]

It's GC week, the cheese is unreal

[real prairie]

Look at you!

[cyan smelt]

at least i beat that p2 ursa torkoal sun team

i need to come up with a team for reg f

[real prairie]

I saw the team that won Brisbane, quite surprised by it

[cyan smelt]

i need to see it

[real prairie]

Feels like lots of pieces of different teams

[cyan smelt]

oh right the tera fairy ursa, i faced that a few times i think

[waxen dock]

Now number 3

[waxen dock]

Its just a standart o2 balance with a weird changes

[real prairie]

Oxygen balance ftw

Fake out in french is "Bluff" 🤣

Wow what a set

That's clutch

[foggy lodge]

Oh its the pinch berry dengo

I knew someone on ladder was using it

That dengo is super bulky on the spd and takes a shadow ball from lorb dengo

So it changes the whole mirror because it doesn't forces you to tera

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2473374061-qxtp9on0iuum9xvau4vcvh3bi5n1a0gpw

Thats like my 7th match lmao and i already see Muk Smeargle

5-2 currently

[knotty mirage]

With reg F coming back is there a chance we will get reg I back or will we just straight up go too champions ?

[waxen dock]

90% chamoions

[real prairie]

@cyan smelt blazkien on stream atm

[foggy lodge]

@dense latch https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regfbo3-2473385802-68xsvfionn1xqmnngycge08yuypmll6pw

[solid frigate]

Huh I haven’t seen a single Raging bolt yet

[hollow echo]

i see

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9nationaldex-2473398505

what i did wrong here

[real prairie]

Am I at a 5 year olds bday party or a VGC training session? 🤣

5 year old birthday party is the right answer btw lol

[waxen dock]

you didnt save replay

so i cant see

[hollow echo]

i see

this is new one

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9nationaldex-2473403682

[foggy lodge]

Everything is balance lol

Juanfi has to win this

[waxen dock]

hmm

it seems like your opponent made worse plays

its low ladder so your plays and your opponent plays are still weird

[hollow echo]

what is higher ladder then?

where can i use giga max?

[foggy lodge]

JUANFI VS THEOTIME

[bold geode]

Juanfi with no losses damn

@foggy lodge Juan is playing like a machine

[foggy lodge]

Nah this guy is crazy

Covers the incin switching with a free sd ep

Acrobatics switching into incin

[bold geode]

Oh even if Rilla stays in, the SD was free AF

[foggy lodge]

Mhm

[bold geode]

The EP was crazy

Fuckass moth

Isn't Juanfi LATAM?

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[bold geode]

Nice

[foggy lodge]

Argentina

[real prairie]

Think it's time to bring back Tsareena

[foggy lodge]

If you ask why he is on EU

None of us know LOL

[real prairie]

If you have the money why not

[bold geode]

I mean hey he just wanted to come, fuck it

[real prairie]

If you know you are guaranteed top 8 you pretty much make a profit on each trip whilst exploring the world

[foggy lodge]

Where was the heat wave

[bold geode]

Yikes that turn was bad for Juanfi

And now the Volcarona got to +3 so now it finally does shit

[foggy lodge]

Wait we lost

Protect protect its over

[bold geode]

Yeah the Volcarona got the multiple boosts it needed

Mid ass mon

[foggy lodge]

Omg it lived exactly on the grassy terrain recovery

[bold geode]

That blows LOL

Juanfi ACTUALLY had a chance to pull it back without that

[hollow echo]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9nationaldex-2473415790

nearly lost match

[foggy lodge]

@bold geode Juanfi is 24-2 in games

💀💀💀

[bold geode]

Jesus

[foggy lodge]

BYE BYE BLURSA

[bold geode]

Big

[foggy lodge]

I love mons because you see this type of turns on regionals high stakes and you think they started playing yesterday

[bold geode]

Free +1

[foggy lodge]

Bluff

Yawn parting?

[bold geode]

You can't let Theotime get to +3

[foggy lodge]

Mhm but

It will get to +3 at some point because

Your yawn takes 2 turns to sleep

The thing is killing it before it wakes up

But with double fake out is hard

NO WHY FLARE

[bold geode]

Yikes

[foggy lodge]

Its at +3 now

[bold geode]

+2 rn

Protect Parting

[waxen dock]

save replays

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but you can't stop the 3rd qd

[hollow echo]

ok

[bold geode]

It's forced to sleep, you Protect Parting

No Protect?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah no protect is fine

Ep the Incin or bloodmoon the volc

[bold geode]

Yikes that blows for Juanfi

[waxen dock]

idk what is worse special gyrados or special setup corviknight

[bold geode]

Cuz now you swap in Incin and offset the SD

[foggy lodge]

Noooo

Its fake out stall the sleep

WAIT A DROP

Bloodmoon sd

[bold geode]

Yeah you swap Incin now

You gotta EP that slot again

EP SD

[foggy lodge]

Idk if you can break through the volc

Incin goes out?

[bold geode]

Has to not get the one turn
Probably needs max sleep

?

[foggy lodge]

Wait this is huge

NOOOOOO

Fake out swords dance

[bold geode]

Juanfi ran outta gas

[foggy lodge]

Its over

The Volc is at +2 spa

[bold geode]

Juanfi ran outta gas that set most definitely

[foggy lodge]

Heat wave miss please

[bold geode]

You need Theotime to get VERY unlucky and for him to fuck up as well

[foggy lodge]

MISS LETS GOOOO

[bold geode]

You need literally everything to go for you

[foggy lodge]

No the taunt

[bold geode]

Big crit?

[foggy lodge]

Its over

Its tera blast sneasler parting

[bold geode]

Man

You need another miss on the Sneasler

Sneasler needs to dodge every Heat Wave

[foggy lodge]

Its over

Fake out trades and volc outspeeds next turn

[bold geode]

Nah you Fake Out the Incin here LMAO

Theotime never Fake Outs Incin

Or he does?

Oh is he going FOR the Incin?

Oh nah

[foggy lodge]

It doesn't even kill

[waxen dock]

#1 again

[bold geode]

That -2 is coming in FAT

[foggy lodge]

Those flare blitz and acrobatics ended them the game

It was swords dance on the acro turn

[bold geode]

I think Theotime might actually be fucked by going for Tera Blasts?

I think Theotime is playing too safe, just Heat Wave

Yikes, still sleepy monkey

[foggy lodge]

No that's absolutely right

You don't need to heat wave here

You never need to risk the game now

[bold geode]

Now I want Theotime to click Heat Wave LMAO

[foggy lodge]

Wait timer?

Can the sneasler live a tera blast?

[bold geode]

Can't

You need Sneasler to live Blast, Ursa to triple and Sneasler to double

[foggy lodge]

TRIPLE?

WAIT WAIT WAIT

YAWN ACROBATICS

AND STALL THE TIMER

[bold geode]

WAIT

No he was Taunted

[foggy lodge]

No its over

Now its heat wave

[bold geode]

You attack both
Now Theotime has to Wave

[foggy lodge]

DOUBLE MISS

POKEMON DO YOUR MAGIC

💔

Volc is in finals

[bold geode]

The fact that Juan Salerno even pulled it back that much is crazy

[foggy lodge]

Yes

Man see he could have pulled it back

If only he didn't mess up with the flare and acro into incin

[bold geode]

He needed the double miss or the miss on something

Actually double miss cuz Sneasler probably doesn't get Volc into timer range

[solid frigate]

this is just we're so back its so over ahhh turn of events

[bold geode]

Still mid

[foggy lodge]

What was the semis on the other side

[bold geode]

I know Sanvy was on the other side

[foggy lodge]

Sanvy vs Michael

I don't know his last name

Sounds like Wazowski

[bold geode]

MIKE WAZOWSKI

[foggy lodge]

:emoji_11:

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/wazowski-mike-mike-sulivan-meme-monster-inc-gif-19634164

[dense latch]

what a menace 😭 i’d given up on it for a bit but this convinced me

[bold geode]

Btw Max Reg F ladder up, time to cook

[dense latch]

that’s my goat

[foggy lodge]

Its a crazy mon i love it

Btw i think this is the tera ghost rilla

Everyone play tera ghost rilla my incin likes pinning you in and out of tera

[dense latch]

o shit we might get a full mirror finals

i'm really close to using max speed incin i've been seeing them way more nowadays

[hollow echo]

https://pokepast.es/fe0a4f91637366f6

[bold geode]

Yikes

[foggy lodge]

That burn only matters if you crit with last respects

[dense latch]

that a9 is so oppresive

[foggy lodge]

we can have another mirror in finals❤️

[dense latch]

immediately changed my set to encore disable

[foggy lodge]

Reg H is so fun

[dense latch]

encore disable fast fairy type hmmm where have i seen that before

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-thinking-thinking-idea-aha-gif-13184178604149425612

[waxen dock]

People dont play here nat dex only vgc

[waxen dock]

Fr, you see such variety of 20 mons

Thats so many mons

[foggy lodge]

All the "reg H is more varied" people have to reconsider because we are eating the 3rd incin rilla mirror finals on this reg

[waxen dock]

Also its totaly not based around rng only cuz there is 1 move that is rng based doesnt make it rng reg

Its also the most loves reg

[waxen dock]

I was joking yk

Its rng based meta ceneralized reg that everyone hates

[foggy lodge]

I hate this reg so good I can play reg F now

I'll play the GC and never touch it again

[waxen dock]

Me too

The only reason i play it is for the gc and smogon seasonal

[foggy lodge]

Disable tera blast its over

[waxen dock]

And also cuz i gain practice for normal vgc

[foggy lodge]

SANVY IN FINALS LETS GOOO

[foggy lodge]

What is the smogon seasonal?

[waxen dock]

You know smogon?

It has a vgc circuit

[foggy lodge]

Ohhh

[waxen dock]

That if you win it you get custum avatar

And seasonal is like little regional

[foggy lodge]

Maybe I could play that I want to practice more

[dense latch]

https://x.com/SanvyVGC/status/1982868534670831795 this aged well

Sanvy (@SanvyVGC)

pokémon you can bring to a regional, draw only its good match-ups and finish 4-4

X · Oct 27, 2025, 5:54 PM

[foggy lodge]

@molten oasis you ate the bait

[stone trellis]

I still laugh at the fact that Volcarona dies to my EQ and Indeedee lives, despite Indeedee having 15 less max HP.

I know that Indeedee also often runs a fuckton more defense than Volc, but it's still hilarious.

[bold geode]

Man Volc finals
Mid ass mon

[stone trellis]

What are the teams in finals?

[bold geode]

Volc Basc Rilla Incin Ursaluna BM and Ninetales

Same team for both

[stone trellis]

Oh.

Deja vu is hitting.

[dense latch]

that's why volc uses grassy seed and rilla as a partner

[bold geode]

It's an exact mirror though not 100%
Like idt both sides have the same spreads

Last year in San Antonio we had the literal exact mirror LMAO

[stone trellis]

Yes, but both are focused around an Ice type.

[bold geode]

Nah more focused on Volcarona

[stone trellis]

That's why I have Stomping Tantrum.

[dense latch]

252+ Atk Tera-Ground Garchomp Stomping Tantrum vs. +1 124 HP / 156 Def Volcarona: 74-88 (42 - 50%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

[stone trellis]

You forgot to account for Life Orb, but I know.

[dense latch]

54-64% then

but yea i did feel like something was missing in that calc

[foggy lodge]

Holy shit even same leads

They both must have the lines super defined

Volc is faster

Must be 146 speed Volc right?

It also outspeeds jolly dnite

Oops a burn

MAN WHAT WAS THAT

FLAME BODY PROC INTO WAVE CRASH CRIT

[dense latch]

cinema

[foggy lodge]

We love the italians robbing games❤️

[bold geode]

Simone wins Game 1 ez

[bold geode]

Yeah but like get this

[foggy lodge]

Nah but Sanvy was still in a good position

[bold geode]

Theotime is Fr-
Fr-

God I cant

Theotime is Fr*nch

[dense latch]

yea deserved

[foggy lodge]

The Bascu being faster changes everything

[bold geode]

I must hate on Théotime
He's Fr*nch
I can't root for that

Simone got this

[real prairie]

Volcarona beat the allegations

[real prairie]

There's hope for me yet

[bold geode]

Nah it's still ass

[real prairie]

Which is great because now everyone gonna be using it in GC

Can't wait 😁

[real prairie]

Prime meta manipulation

[foggy lodge]

Btw Harc didn't left

[stone trellis]

I really should've kept Acrobatics on Sneasler.

God, I loved pinning Volc so much.

[real prairie]

They aren't tera grass

So dire claw is better

Tera fairy tera blast

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-parasyte-hold-up-gif-6616384397279042321

Pinning it is.

[real prairie]

I love encore locking them and smashing them to bits with Body press

[stone trellis]

I will keep Garchomp in the back because it bullies Incin.

[real prairie]

Tera fairy spoils that a bit

[stone trellis]

Incineroar has no way of outspeeding or living anything more than a single EQ and it can't reasonably slow down Garchomp fast enough to kill it even with Intimidate.

On top of Incin just slowly dying due to Rough Skin.

[stone trellis]

Doesn't Bug resist Fighting anyway?

[foggy lodge]

Garchomp is underratedly broken

[fallen dove]

not rlly when prima is relatively common

and alolan ninetales being everywhere doesnt help

[foggy lodge]

A9 is a bigger problem than Prim

[fallen dove]

lmao same brain

[foggy lodge]

But yeah

[fallen dove]

rilla also terrorises it

[foggy lodge]

But ground coverage is super good so it always has that

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2473475014-34g8saclqgxhk38oq9q00t4aki2agsspw @foggy lodge first game on ladder with the team

all the pokemon i brought benefited from the sun lmao

[foggy lodge]

❤️encore❤️ 💜disable💜

[dense latch]

W three paradox mons

[foggy lodge]

We lowkey have a sun team

Is sun a thing on reg F

[stone trellis]

Raging Bolt, Chi-Yu and Flutter Mane are all big.

[foggy lodge]

I almost never saw Torkoal

[stone trellis]

So I assume it is.

[foggy lodge]

Koraidon saved sun so much

I also loved the torkoal + raging combo in hard TR

[next stump]

all the sun teams that earned money last year

[stone trellis]

This is why I run Adamant Lorb, this shit is cracked sometimes.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2473476507

[foggy lodge]

So hard TR only

Yeah the only paradox we bring into hard TR is Raging

[stone trellis]

This is like Wolfey reinventing Koraidon for EUIC, except I won't place well at all and the idea's probably been done before.

[fallen dove]

arent paradoxes banned in reg H?

[real prairie]

True. But at +6 Def still hits pretty hard so guess will be the same for fairy

[fallen dove]

ive got a speedy ursaluna team with endeavour whimsicott that ive been laddering smogon with

[dense latch]

reg f was announced as the format for december so ppl are already building for it

[stone trellis]

I really need to rethink my team so I can enable Chompy better.

Talonflame stays, the duo is cracked sometimes.

Genuinely Steven Spielberg and John Williams levels of greatness.

[foggy lodge]

I was playing AV chomp LOL

With the team that won the last GC

[foggy lodge]

Dengo didn't win

That's new atleast

[hollow echo]

I hate that gold one

[foggy lodge]

So much variety of archetypes in reg H and none of them beats balance

[stone trellis]

Who do I add to help the duo out?

[foggy lodge]

A9 but i kinda hate a9

[stone trellis]

Talonflame and Garchomp are both quite frail and they can't really bully Rilla.

[dense latch]

sash sneasler is still a good option

[stone trellis]

Fair.

[dense latch]

chomp a9 is always worth considering

[stone trellis]

1. That creates a conflict of interest in terms of items
2. I don't need ANOTHER frail Pokemon on my team who doesn't do shit to Rilla

Would Incin work?

[dense latch]

a9 can run a wide variety of items
helps the frail mons with a possible aurora veil
threatens rilla with blizzard chip and punishes fake out with encore

i doubt incin is ever bad in this team comp

[stone trellis]

I don't know man, I just dislike A9.

It feels like it's too frail without the Focus Sash.

Guess I can also run special Talonflame since I don't need a fourth physical attacker.

What item should I use?

Light Clay?

How fast do I want it to be?

[dense latch]

you honestly might be right about hte item thing

i thought cloak but then what does tflame use

light clay is pretty much the only option

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

I tend to know what I'm talking about.

[dense latch]

maybe never melt ice and that can get you some extra bulk

[stone trellis]

How?

[dense latch]

because you dont need to invest fully into spatk bc of the boost nmi gives you

[stone trellis]

Fair.

I already made it pretty bulky, so...

Who do I add now?

[fallen dove]

do yall think tailroom ursa would still be viable? ive gotten rlly comfortable playing it

[stone trellis]

In Reg F? Definitely.

Especially if it's BM.

[fallen dove]

nah normal guts but ill give BM a try

i rlly dont like tera normal tho

[stone trellis]

For BM?

BM has thirty billion Tera options.

You have Normal for the offense, Ghost for the defense, Electric to live Make It Rain, Fairy to live Sneasler CC, etc.

[forest arrow]

https://pokepast.es/fb358884b8260d3c

Ladies and Gents we are so back

[stone trellis]

Hydreigon's worked before, so maybe it?

I don't really use Snarl (nor do I need it due to Parting Shot), so I can replace it with Flash Cannon.

[fallen dove]

aight coz ive normally only seen normal or electric and im worried that im locked to either of those two

[forest arrow]

Normal for Offense, Electric for Dengo, but you can also go Fire, Water, Poison

[stone trellis]

I won even without Rough Skin.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2473506196

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2473510887-wcsn0nxjwmleevrnb5b6cjxcr689vjkpw

[next stump]

I got my mat from Milwaukee as well as the pokemon I used on my team framed to hang on the wall 🙂

[waxen dock]

you got 2nd place not top 8

[dense latch]

i don’t think there’s finalist or top 4 playmats

[next stump]

They only give out Champion or Top 8 😦

[dense latch]

this looks so good too damn

[next stump]

Thank you! I’m very happy with how they framed it

I kinda wish I put the medal in there too but it’s cool to have that hanging separately

[molten oasis]

Reg h sucks stfu

[forest arrow]

That is so neat, love that for you

[real prairie]

That's sick

[solemn flicker]

Reg F scrims anyone?

[stone trellis]

I hate how shit I am at Reg H.

Surely some trace of what little skill I have at Reg I/J should remain, right?

[dense latch]

it's a big change

when i went from reg g to reg h last year it took me a while to get used to the different format

[stone trellis]

I know, but it still doesn't excuse how shit I am at it.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2473577197-0h5amivvd5dp1cxkbaewt0ky30r5d5npw

[stone trellis]

How do people figure out if a team is BO, offense or HO?

[vernal shadow]

Anyone in masterball rank for doubles ?

[chrome knot]

does anyone know where I can find teams with EVs @bold geode

[stone trellis]

I'd be if I played Violet more often.

[chrome knot]

trying to help gf prep for vegas

[vernal shadow]

Then you aren't 😝

[stone trellis]

No shit.

I really need to update my team in-game to match the Showdown version.

The EVs are all so shitty.

[vernal shadow]

That link I got for teams is pretty good besides the fact that I can't see the Pokémon on it since the pictures won't load

[next stump]

what link are you looking at?

[vernal shadow]

If u search for @ mentions me, it's pretty much the last thing

[next stump]

i'm sorry, i'm too lazy to do that

im on mobile right now

[vernal shadow]

That's how I just found it to try reloading it

Also on mobile

It's 3 buttons. Idk. The little magnifying glass, the top right corner and then the prompt for mentions user. Not a lot to press

But it's a spreadsheet for a lot of team set ups for different regulations

This one

[solid frigate]

@next stump quick question,is Max Speed Wellspring Ogerpon common in Reg F 1 cuz i saw it in a lot of teams when i do testing

[vernal shadow]

Sorry if this pings. I did un tick it

[next stump]

ye it is pretty common

[solid frigate]

got it

Man this is gonna be sad for my Iron Crown

[vernal shadow]

I'm currently dying with a 50/50 win rate at Pokéball 6 because I kinda suck. I'll over predict and lose due to the opponent doing the basic or ill under predict and get outplayed. Did beat a stupid sweaty team earlier tho. The rogue ones and the arceus Espeed ones I struggle with for whatever reason

Probably just practice

[stone trellis]

Go to #rental_teams and find the team I've posted.

With the correct plays, it should wreck Arceus teams.

[vernal shadow]

I'm in it to win with my team for my last ribbon. Not aiming to just top masterball

[stone trellis]

(My Arceus win rate is close to 92%, I'm speaking from experience)

[vernal shadow]

Just need to climb there and win a match. That's it

[solid frigate]

Technically most of the teams there beats Arceus teams

I’m just a wall with Ho-Oh Fari

[stone trellis]

So am I.

I have Coaching for a reason.

Wanna play a match some day?

I want to see how much of an auto-loss my team style actually is.

[solid frigate]

I think Miraidon Variants are less auto loss than Kyogre ones

[stone trellis]

Do you have a Landorus or a WaterShifu?

Or even a Wellspring?

[solid frigate]

Lando and Wellspring are literally here

[stone trellis]

Ah, both.

Please remember to bring both or you will lose.

[bold geode]

I wish I knew tbh

[rustic mountain]

reg f back baabyy (wolfey voice)

[molten oasis]

Good format returns

No more reg hell

[solid frigate]

so far i love play arch in reg F than H tbh

[rustic mountain]

arch in reg f sucks tho

[rustic mountain]

lmao reg h is also a good format

[solid frigate]

at least i don't feel targeted lmao

[molten oasis]

No it’s not, it got so much worse

[rustic mountain]

u gna look me straight in the face and tell me a format w/ urshifu is better?

[solid frigate]

we are not doing reg C vs F vs H debate again-

[rustic mountain]

im being harsh its not bad but its not good either

[dense latch]

i just played an arch and it brought no fear into me at any point in the game

[rustic mountain]

yep

[solid frigate]

yeah i get you dw

It just i rather play arch when its like not as broken but still has potential

[molten oasis]

Yes I am

[solid frigate]

meet the potential mon

[rustic mountain]

lol

[molten oasis]

I despise annihilape, I don’t like dengo mirrors at all, Archa rain is stupid, and dire claw is stupid

[dense latch]

arch is bad raging bolt

[solid frigate]

but tbf it would still be used cuz rain shenangins

[rustic mountain]

i ran into some weird stuff last night in the early ladder of reg f haha got top 5

[rustic mountain]

eh i guess i feel like ud rather just torn/ursh tho and 4 other good mons

arch has a lot of things that threaten it and as erik mentioned we have access to bolt

who is waaaaaaay better

[solid frigate]

yeah bolt balance kinda just there,tho i wanna just do something with arch before i wanna use bolt

[rustic mountain]

i mean yea give it a shot

[solid frigate]

besides its day 2 for now i don't think i am serious currently

[rustic mountain]

its just tough for it atm

u usually prefer using weird mons tho

[dense latch]

maxi and i built a scream tail team and it's so fun into the balance mirror

[rustic mountain]

like oh arch isnt as good anymore lemme use it, maybe not the best approach for wen deciding on which mon to use

y not go back to crown stuff werent u liking that last reg f?

scream tails cool, not the easiest mon to use tho

[solid frigate]

You might facepalm when I said this

I am using both-

[rustic mountain]

[dense latch]

i think you played my friend on ladder lol
you're morrispxg right

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

Bman right

That took my 5 win streak lmao

[dense latch]

yea lmaoo

it was a close ass game tbf

[solid frigate]

I could just play Justin Carris’s Team tho if I suddenly fine going to one of the events next year I have to catch a new Regidrago

[rustic mountain]

erik was ghosting

[solid frigate]

I messed up on that one turn but it’s like minor inconvenience to the overall strength of the team

But like

[rustic mountain]

u messed up picking arch and iron crown, pick a struggle

mostly kidding id say iron crown def isnt bad both tho is tough

[solid frigate]

I know I’m just trying to relearn everything

[dense latch]

that team looks really fun

i got cooked by iron crown earlier today

still trying to learn the format

[rustic mountain]

yea its an adjustment

i went from 6-0 to like 9-3

[solid frigate]

Wouldn’t be Suprised if Crown got top 20 use

[rustic mountain]

id say top 30 for sure

might crack top 20

[foggy lodge]

Incin rilla shifu raging amoonguss chien pao flutter chi yu iron hands lando-i hearthflame wellspring darkshifu tornadus farigiraf blursa

Idk if it slots in top 20 with all of those mons

[molten oasis]

2-0 into some weird teams

That were all unfriendly to Prima

[rustic mountain]

prim in this economy?

[foggy lodge]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regfbo3-2473638208-8dnoxexm6cqgmtvfny0ry8d2a4ssescpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regfbo3-2473639682-4i81l83riwnir603bbkr8pirtgd1v1ypw

[molten oasis]

It is my best team I’ve made

I did quite well with it reg f 1

[dense latch]

leer torn lol

i think i remember it being used in some teams

[foggy lodge]

It was crazy

But man Scream Tail is going crazy

Setting up Raging Bolt is so easy if you position it correctly

[dense latch]

i just saw game 2

amazing watch

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-tail-screamtail-scream-tail-pokemon-gif-13423364403217152767

[short quiver]

my calyrex just 1v4’d

is this a skill issue?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[dense latch]

<@&663761167176433665>

[faint quarry]

gotten, ty

[bold geode]

DID I MISS THE LINK THAT EVERYONE SHOULD CLICK

[faint quarry]

[left bobcat]

Grilled chicken

[short quiver]

i agree

[solid frigate]

Yum

[craggy dagger]

🔨

[cyan smelt]

i'm gonna quit vgc, i've lost basically every game in bo3 reg f so far

this team is fucking ass

can i get some help with teambuilding please?

[next stump]

what team have you been using?

it’s also hard to give points without replays, do you know about the tool PARS?

[dense latch]

really don't think it's worth it to be crazy hard on yourself in a new format
reg f hasn't been a thing for a year and a half and it's only natural it's gonna take some time to get used to it

[cyan smelt]

yeah i know about pasrs but idk how do analyse it

[dense latch]

helps to check what mons you've been bringing and which ones you're not
move selection
you can go back to old replays and make notes on what went well or what your lines should be
win rates etc

[cyan smelt]

well the team is peli, bolt, lando, incin, ogerpon wellspring, iron crown

and i've been losing to pretty much everything

most of what i struggle with is calm mind tera fairy bolt

[solid frigate]

I’m Suprised No Psyspam crown

[dense latch]

bolt lando incin waterpon sounds fine, i don’t see what peli and iron crown do here

[solid frigate]

Peli+Scarf Lando works but idk why Crown is here when there is no Indeedee

[dense latch]

torn over peli maybe

[cyan smelt]

peli for rain and iron crown for tera water tera blast

but it's just dying to everything

[solid frigate]

You have Peli and Water Pon I don’t see why you need Tera Water Blast

[cyan smelt]

what tera is torn usually

dark right?

[dense latch]

probably

[solid frigate]

Dark for Cloak sets
Ghost for Sash Sets

[dense latch]

it probably doesnt matter all too much

[cyan smelt]

i think i always run cloak

[solid frigate]

Sometimes Steel if you really want to

[cyan smelt]

ok so now i replaced peli with torn but idk what goes in the iron crown slot

archaludon?

[solid frigate]

If you are playing rain then yes

[cyan smelt]

then bolt needs a new item, what item does the calm mind set run

[dense latch]

idt both bolt and arch are necessary

[dense latch]

lefties or booster

[cyan smelt]

just need to ev arch now

[cyan smelt]

god i love setting up gholdengo and ursa bm at the same time

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2473739422-3g1w2i8x85b17nurut8udfglb1ne1frpw i feel good about this win

[cyan smelt]

is it just me or is kilowattrel picking up in use

[mighty stump]

its Monday again

[lofty tartan]

And you're my man crush

[molten oasis]

Reg f is so nice

[foggy lodge]

It just won a regional

[cyan smelt]

yeah ik

crazy

there's a lot of random jank on the ladder

why are people still using hisuian decidueye

i just lost to it damnit

now i lost to fucking solar beam typhlosion

i hate gc week

it had perserrker too

reg h is so hard

[molten oasis]

Reg h also sucks

[cyan smelt]

i've noticed that dnite is a big problem for the team so idk how to get around that

oh ok my win percentage is still 59.7%

looks like incin rilla is best lead

followed by incin goldie

yeah oof, bad MUs against ape, Dnite, Gholdengo, Ursa BM and Rilla

[bold geode]

[bold geode]

For this format it's like
Ghost/Steel/Dark

[cyan smelt]

i remember i ran covert cloak dark

ig dnite is a top mon in reg h for a reason

[cyan smelt]

i feel like my predictions game is getting better

but the ribombee team is hard and so is ape

anything with mausape, dnite, gholdengo and ursaluna bm is tough

[foggy lodge]

oh so you get cooked by the zeen team

[cyan smelt]

yep because it's too unpredictable in cts

if i lead rilla sneasler i get cooked by dnite ursa

if i lead smeargle ursa i get cooked by dnite kommo-o, etc

i feel like volc is also tough

but it's really good against wolfey's team

how did a dozo outspeed ursa bm when i was under tailwind?

cts is such bs

now i lost to the regional team, mannnnn

[rustic mountain]

reg f time anyway

[dense latch]

calm mind protect thunderclap until we heal from 20 to 100% HP babyyy

i love calm mind bolt

[stone trellis]

Lefties Bolt exists?

Would it be wise to partner it up with Rilla for the recovery + bitching Ground types?

[dense latch]

yes

that’s one of if not its best partner

[rustic mountain]

yea incin rilla the usual support duo for bolt

might see amoongus sometimes

[cyan smelt]

Think I want to try bolt balance

[dense latch]

scream tail has been really fun to use too

i’m seeing a lot of specs flutter and scarf ursh on ladder so disable is coming in clutch

[cyan smelt]

Scarf chi yu too

[rustic mountain]

im loving using my basic ass urshi incin rilla core

[cyan smelt]

That sounds good

[cyan smelt]

clam garchomp with outrage sure is a thing

[austere iron]

clam?

[solid frigate]

Clear amulet

[austere iron]

I see, thanks.

Wish there was some type of spreadsheet that shows all of the VGC related abbreviations, because tbh Idk why some people assume people will know every single one.

Like I see people talk about 'lele' a lot but have yet to see anyone say what it means.

[mighty stump]

lele is a pokemon would be the only meaning that comes to mind

lza competitive having a VGC discussion

wonder if we’ll get an influx after champions and za

[molten oasis]

Pretty sure some people call one of the reg h teams lele for whatever reason

[waxen dock]

I got raging bolt from home gts now there is reg f i will use it

[cyan smelt]

that's probably hacked if you got it from gts

also man are people really using tentacruel now in reg h

[waxen dock]

Maybe

[cyan smelt]

check the IVs

[waxen dock]

I cant

I dont have home +

[cyan smelt]

move it into sv then

[solid frigate]

You can put the stats in showdown and check

But in this case just check the Attack stat is it 20 IVs or above

[cyan smelt]

do you think i should put clear amulet or covert cloak on incin?

[solid frigate]

@waxen dock can you check it’s EV disturbution chart in bolt’s stat page

[hollow echo]

yo

[real prairie]

Morning

[hollow echo]

https://pokepast.es/1cdd6d1e20dcc9c4

[cyan smelt]

hi how's things

man my days of being toxic are over, there are some nice people on showdown

[real prairie]

caught between practicing for GC this weekend, Starting team building for B'ham or actually doing some work 😅

[cyan smelt]

i want to practice more with the smeargle team, i've noticed some mus that i struggle with

[undone sage]

Kalos

[cyan smelt]

i want to stop getting locked on showdown

[undone sage]

I saw you at regionals

[cyan smelt]

again lol

taunt was at the top tables

[undone sage]

Do you know which one he was 👀

[cyan smelt]

no i was focusing on my games and not melting down after the start i had

[undone sage]

Ohhhh, I thought you figured it out haha

Made a come back tho!

[cyan smelt]

eventually, but i need to practice more with teams before i go to a regional

it's fun when it works

[undone sage]

It was better with spacing this time, not so cramped

[cyan smelt]

yeah it felt better

[undone sage]

We might go to Melb and see how kiddo does there

[cyan smelt]

i'm planning on going to melb

[undone sage]

Oh nice

[cyan smelt]

i was considering quitting after going 0-3 but then i recovered some pride at least

[undone sage]

Never know what could happen!

[cyan smelt]

for melbourne i'm gonna make sure i get some good quality practice in

[undone sage]

Going to be a new reg then too

[cyan smelt]

yeah probably champions

[undone sage]

Eek, hope that's just as easy to use

[cyan smelt]

knowing gamefreak it won't be

[undone sage]

My kid only just learnt showdown

[cyan smelt]

i'm enjoying using smeargle, i want to use something funny like that for melbourne

and maybe i'll dress up in a hotdog costume

[undone sage]

Easily spotted

[cyan smelt]

saw one guy from a regional dress up as a banana so i thought a funny costume would make things more bearable

[undone sage]

I saw someone as Corbeau

[cyan smelt]

that's really creative

[undone sage]

I don't know how popular Melb regionals are for juniors... but if we do go, kiddo could have a chance at a world's invite

[cyan smelt]

that'd be awesome

[real prairie]

just lost to a quick draw quick claw psy spam team

[cyan smelt]

kinda worried about the crime stuff in melb

[real prairie]

GC teams are wild

[undone sage]

The 2026 season just started, but yeah

[waxen dock]

Why are you even locked?

[cyan smelt]

i think i played against a quick claw gholdengo

because i kept getting tilted

reg f bo3 wasn't going well

i'm seeing smeargle balance a lot more now lol

glad i got in on the ground floor with it

[waxen dock]

So?

[cyan smelt]

so i kept raging at my opponents

[waxen dock]

Like?

[cyan smelt]

just insulting them and calling them sweaty etc

i think i've seen how to beat ape now, smeargle blursa in the front then sneasler rilla in the back

randbats is a bunch of bullshit

my opponent got zacian and garganacl and just salt cured my whole team

and then had the nerve to say gg after

[short quiver]

how long do yall think it will take me to catch a gmoltres in a premier ball

using the paralysis method

[waxen dock]

So stop tilting

[cyan smelt]

yeah ik i gotta train myself to stop tilting

[cyan smelt]

My mentality needs to get better, I have a tendency to flip out when things don't go my way rather than look at how to improve

[foggy lodge]

Moody actually has to go man its such a bullshit ability

[upper zealot]

im ngl you need to chill cause i swear you have to be saying some crazy toxic shit in order to get locked on ps

[foggy lodge]

@dense latch https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regfbo3-2473976796-kn3gjvj3lhi8jcr9g7st2tnp960hpvfpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regfbo3-2473979061-f264dx8xqcbch1mfaamykw7txyn78x6pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regfbo3-2473980587-6cbfo5ibymfgd1498vsv84it2y9po9npw

Man scream tail just popped off like crazy LOL

I think I risked an unnecesary crit on the game 3

When I didn't tclap the urshifu

And they got surging dazzling into both bolt and scream tail

[dapper swan]

Hey everyone im new to the server hows everyone feeling about reg f?

[short quiver]

oh hi welcome

[left bobcat]

The old days

[dapper swan]

I voted for reg c but f isnt too bad

[foggy lodge]

Its fine

It really doesn't make me crazy but its a fine format

[hollow echo]

https://pokepast.es/0f492e474f10ef80

what wrong with my team?

[real prairie]

A lot

[hollow echo]

tell me

tell me

[waxen dock]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/forums/sv-other-teams.749/

[hollow echo]

huh?

[waxen dock]

go to there they are singles players

they will be able to help you

[hollow echo]

you all are double player?

[dense latch]

scarf ursh and specs flutter into scream tail that's so nice to face

[foggy lodge]

Mhm

[real prairie]

Mostly yes.

But even so, here are some basic issues highlighted:

[dense latch]

also i've been meaning to ask
have you been using follow me much on fire pon

[foggy lodge]

The lead in game 1 was weird and then I realized hey they can't do anything against Scream Tail Raging Bolt lead

[foggy lodge]

Only to survive TR turns

And to redirect Flutter moonblast on specs sets

[dense latch]

i made a pasrs and i wasn't clicking much glide or follow me

[foggy lodge]

I've been clicking glide but not follow me a lot

[dense latch]

but i feel like when it comes in clutch it does it so well

[foggy lodge]

We could go for a double set up line with swords dance

Maybe even focus energy cuz Incin is annoying lol

I think that with focus energy the ivy crit chance is like a 50%

[hollow echo]

why are they problem

?

[real prairie]

because of the pokemons base stats.

[hollow echo]

i see

got it

[real prairie]

Do some research, itll help

absorb as much as you can

[foggy lodge]

Anyways I said it before but you can't complain about an ivy cudgel crit

That's the crits I play around because I try to not let myself open to an ivy crit

[dense latch]

i think it's 100%

[tiny karma]

Move: Focus Energy

Raises the user's chance for a critical hit by 2 stages. Fails if the user already has the effect. Baton Pass can be used to transfer this effect to an ally.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

30 (48)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[dense latch]

+1 from ivy cudgel and +2 from focus energy

+3 stages of critical hit gets you to 100%

[foggy lodge]

Wait it is 100%

Might go crazy

[tiny karma]

Move: Dragon Cheer

Raises the target's chance for a critical hit by 1 stage, or by 2 stages if the target is Dragon type. Fails if there is no ally adjacent to the user, or if the target already has this effect or the Focus Energy effect. Baton Pass can be used to transfer this effect to an ally.

Type

Dragon

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[foggy lodge]

Melman (Raging Bolt) @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 196 HP / 44 Def / 124 SpA / 4 SpD / 140 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Dragon Pulse
• Thunderclap
• Calm Mind
• Protect

Btw I made some changes to the spreads cuz I found some things interesting

This gives optimal HP recovery, gave a bit more spa because I was missing KOs on Flutter Mane lol

And with this speed -1 timid lando will always be slower than Raging Bolt

So we can do icy wind dragon pulse to cover for a tera

[dense latch]

o nice

[foggy lodge]

I actually almost lost a game because the raging bolt was speed tying -1 speed lando and they won the speed tie LOL

[dense latch]

i think i copied one of my old bolt spreads bc i didnt know how to ev it lmao but this looks good

[foggy lodge]

I also gave the ogerpon bulk

[dense latch]

scream tail could also have a better spread

[foggy lodge]

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 188 Def / 68 SpD
Impish Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• Fake Out
• Parting Shot
  Ogerpon-Hearthflame @ Hearthflame Mask
  Ability: Mold Breaker
  Level: 50
  Tera Type: Fire
  EVs: 188 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 156 Spe
  Adamant Nature
  IVs: 20 SpA
• Spiky Shield
• Follow Me
• Grassy Glide
• Ivy Cudgel

[foggy lodge]

Honestly I think that

We could just go max max

Max HP max speed

Because we can be faster than all Ogerpon without the speed boost

But also bulk could be clutch

I think I had an Ogerpon that survived sludge bomb from life orb lando I

We could also make Ogerpon speed creep Lando I

The one I made was speedcreeping adamant shifu

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 124 SpD Scream Tail on a critical hit: 190-226 (85.5 - 101.8%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

Well we survive the crit and tera poison sludge bomb from timid Lando

We don't survive modest so I think speedcreeping it with Ogerpon can be clutch

[hollow echo]

hey

is there any thing that make ice attack weak?

[dense latch]

i like this idea bc lando kinda sucks for the team if not managed well

so having the option to just bonk it with tera fire ivy cudgel instantly was kinda fun

[tiny karma]

Move: Rock Tomb

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Speed by 1 stage.

Type

Rock

Category

Physical

Power

60

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[dapper swan]

https://pokepast.es/93adbd6ecd143ac3

[thorn sierra]

might keep exeggutor on my team hes kind of fun?? (nat dex) https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexdoubles-2474035927

were people sleeping on exeggutor during gen 7 bc he doesnt even look like that bad of a pokemon...

[hollow echo]

i see

[thorn sierra]

i was using bronzong psychium z when i saw that exeggutor learns tr and sleep powder and i had to try

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexdoubles-2474068249

anyone elses thoughts? honestly im really liking this team so far

[waxen dock]

#1434933930787602672 message who agrees?

[gentle crag]

ido1500 (ID 761890689272643595)

[Message](#1434933930787602672 message) in #1434933930787602672
Change #competitive_discussion to vgc discussion cuz everyone talks there avout vgc and somwtimes there are people who talk about singles there but the active people there play vgc and not singles.

Command triggered by ido1500. Message from · Nov 3, 2025, 3:55 PM

[real prairie]

Yeah we have discussed it in the past

[bold geode]

See
Even though this is the case, I think splitting up is just not it

Like even if we had a separate singles chat, at best we either have a dead channel or a channel filled to the brim with misinformation

[polar canyon]

Scrafty has the fake out parting shot combo in za I think that's interesting if it comes to champions

Wait does it have fake out?

I forgot but fake out is not in za so I'm assuming it keeps it in champions

[tiny karma]

[Latest Gen] Scrafty

Fake Out:

• As Scraggy as an egg move

Sableye version 4.29.0

[polar canyon]

So we have a new intimidate fake out parting shot user except this one dies to dazzling gleam

And has a mega that may or may not have a cool ability

I'm excited for parting shot scrafty in the future

[stone trellis]

It's like that Spicy Extract dual bikes match all over again.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2474148482

I'm in the top 500 now.

[cyan smelt]

Nice work paul

[rustic mountain]

yea its been brought up before, theres just not enough of a singles community here to justify it

which is why most of the time i just redirect ppl wanting singles related info to smogon server

[bold geode]

Yeah that's what I try

[real prairie]

Technician pop bomb Maus really does murder things. It's great Vs A9 balance

[foggy lodge]

Its been a fraud for me

I almost always beat those Mausholds cuz I can just double up into it with sneasler Rilla

[real prairie]

Tera ghost survives a dire claw + grassy glide from memory but equally if you are using both your Mons to try kill the maus you are allowing my other mons free damage

[foggy lodge]

Acrobatics

Acrobatics does more damage I think I've straight up killed some with the raw tera flying acro

[fallen dove]

turn one tera never feels too good tho

and having maus exert so much pressure means it can just protect

[foggy lodge]

Its a lot less manageable on bo1

On bo3 I think I've only seen it on this Ofomezie team with Whimsicott

There is kinda annoying but Incin goes crazy so

Idk I think its really manageable for balance

[fallen dove]

unrelated but i have a alpha salamence in ZA completely EV and IV trained called pachirisu

who wins? mythical beast of a dragon or lil rat

[real prairie]

The rat

[short quiver]

does anyone know if rayray lunala was ever a duo in SM era of vgc

[rustic mountain]

idts

[short quiver]

apparently it got 15th at worlds 2019

[solemn flicker]

Reg F scrims anyone?

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2474357035-tt587npra45stpv40ef136eitr6i9ihpw
early ladder top 50

gf giving us 2 of the better sv formats back only to not have em for in game ladder

[dense latch]

7 raging bolt calm minds that's the goat right there

[rustic mountain]

also thats why i say arch sucks

[dense latch]

are you using scarf or mystic water ursh btw

[rustic mountain]

i can just ignore it most of the game and be chilling

[rustic mountain]

i started mystic but i swapped to scarf and dont really regret it

[foggy lodge]

i was all the game hoping for you to knock off the AV on arch LOL

But not hitting its fair to not be open to the body press

[rustic mountain]

yea

[dense latch]

i'm starting to fall off a bit with my current team

[foggy lodge]

damn the same

I've been tweaking the things a bit

[dense latch]

okay so it's not just me

[foggy lodge]

I made Ogerpon speed creep Lando cuz its just not bearable LOL

[forest arrow]

Are you AyeFuego

[rustic mountain]

i am

[forest arrow]

bro

[foggy lodge]

It feels like you have to play out of your mind to beat timid lando

[forest arrow]

We have the same 6 lmao

[dense latch]

it's wayy too oppressive

[rustic mountain]

japan balance 🤝

[foggy lodge]

It is

[dense latch]

maybe it's time we go to japan balance too maxi

[foggy lodge]

Mf hits 4/6 mons for SE

[foggy lodge]

☹️

[dense latch]

5

[rustic mountain]

its a really good 6 i gotta say

[foggy lodge]

Deadass

I want to play hard TR LOL

[rustic mountain]

[forest arrow]

I’m working with Evs but I suck at teambuilding

[foggy lodge]

But idk maybe hard TR is a fraud wthout CIR

[dense latch]

incin bolt to ep
rilla scream tail firepon to sludge bomb

also i've lowkey been getting cooked by farig

[rustic mountain]

yea lando i coverage is goated

[dense latch]

especially farig bloodmoon

[foggy lodge]

Maybe Amoonguss?

Amoonguss is better into Lando I

But we would had to forfeit the double glide

[cyan smelt]

Oh yeah I remember in reg f part one I liked using farig bm

[foggy lodge]

I like Amoonguss

[dense latch]

i dont mind losing the double glide

i never really used it all too much

[foggy lodge]

It kinda saved my ass but

It also forces some 50/50s

[dense latch]

but we're losing out on a ton of offense

[foggy lodge]

Its really good into choice mons tho but other times you kinda have to

Go super ballsy and do a double up into a mon that can protect

[rustic mountain]

wen u drop trying to glide youll soar (idk it sounds good)

[foggy lodge]

Double glide into specs flutter and scarf shifu was fun but maybe its time to go💔

It also saved my ass into tailwind LOL but yeah you lose a lot into farig cuz

[rustic mountain]

one of my losses i got cooked by sd ogerpon hf

[short quiver]

@rustic mountain why you eyebrow me Pauls the one that told me 🤷‍♂️

[foggy lodge]

You suddenly don't have even double glide to get through the TR turns

[rustic mountain]

im just surprised

i didnt play gen 7 comp but i just hadnt heard of or seen those 2 being used together

[foggy lodge]

We were theorizing focus energy

Cuz ivy turns into 100% crit chance

[rustic mountain]

i think a few ppl had run that in the past to decent success

[foggy lodge]

So we can cook Incin

[stone trellis]

That only happens at +3 crit rate, no?

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[stone trellis]

Or was it +4?

[foggy lodge]

But ivy is already a +1 crit chance and focus energy gives you +2

[stone trellis]

Ivy Cudgel is +1, Focus Energy is +1.

[dense latch]

focus energy is +2

[stone trellis]

Oh.

[tiny karma]

Move: Focus Energy

Raises the user's chance for a critical hit by 2 stages. Fails if the user already has the effect. Baton Pass can be used to transfer this effect to an ally.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

30 (48)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[foggy lodge]

Also I don't hate the roar incin idea for the mirror

Maybe we can do that into TR too Lol

[short quiver]

roar in general is a funny move

[foggy lodge]

It is

Its one of my favourite moves

[dense latch]

all fun and games until a hatterene roars us back :(

[foggy lodge]

It can do that wtf

[dense latch]

afaik it'll just magic bounce the roar back to inci n

[foggy lodge]

Worst parting shot💔

Wait we can bounce the Hatterene back with parting lol

[stone trellis]

Yeah, and some guy brought Clear Amulet Hatterene to a tournament because no one knew Magic Bounced PShot ignored it.

[dense latch]

o yea ben grissmer

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/7f0b9629c63599f8

I like the wellspring on hard TR

No CIR💔 man its rough

[dense latch]

i miss ice rider 🥀

[thorn sierra]

how do i use pokepast

[cyan smelt]

what do you guys think about eject pack incineroar

[dapper swan]

Cm on raging bolt is the move for reg f

[cyan smelt]

*eject pack on incineroar for reg h

[dapper swan]

Not that good imo, sitrus, rocky helmet or goggles gives the most value imo. sure its nice to switch out but its a waste of an item when your already bulky asf and can just click parting shot

[foggy lodge]

Shit

[cyan smelt]

Also what's usually on the farig blursa teams for reg f, I liked farig blursa the first time around

[foggy lodge]

Incin wellspring flutter shifu

[cyan smelt]

Seems good

[dapper swan]

When does reg f come back? Should i start building or do i have time

[dense latch]

december

[foggy lodge]

@dense latch what do you think of Pao

I was feeling the Flutter slot a bit weak and Pao just helps a lot into Lando

I was considering ice shard Pao cuz it also helps into tornadus

So something like icicle throat chop ice shard

[dense latch]

i've been playing japan balance

pao has been really nice