competitive_discussion

[knotty mirage]

Nah sorry i just got chespin outbreak so i'm currently busy hunting for personality marked shiny chespin now

[stone trellis]

Don't you use Showdown to test your teams?

[vernal shadow]

The pain 😂

Even worse if you're fussy and want a specific mark

[knotty mirage]

No i'm exclusively playing on cart ladder because the only device i have to access to showdown is phone so yeah

It doesn't run really well

[knotty mirage]

Nah any personality marked is fine i just want it because shiny personality marked mega chestnaught on safari ball just sounds neat

[boreal creek]

I hate magearna she needs a nerf

[waxen dock]

out of all the broken mons you choose magearna

the one that need nerfs are incin and rilla

[boreal creek]

There is no particular reason why I chose magearna :)

[chrome knot]

brah they are literally fine

[waxen dock]

they arent

[boreal creek]

Rilla is insane tf you talking about

[waxen dock]

atleast incin isnt fine

[chrome knot]

theyre chill

[waxen dock]

make it so that intimidate works once per battle

[boreal creek]

Incin is carried by intimidate and it’s movepool

[waxen dock]

or that it lowers only 1 mons attack

[boreal creek]

But Rilla is genuinely nuts

[waxen dock]

it diesnt have a good movepool

[chrome knot]

ok thats a lie lmao

[boreal creek]

U turn and parting shot is what I meant

If incin couldn’t intimidate cycle nobody would care about him

Magearna tho…

Invest in magearna

[next stump]

magearna is only legal for a few months every few years

[bold geode]

Hai Emma

[chrome knot]

nooo

[bold geode]

Why

[bold geode]

Also are you serious bout this

[real prairie]

Even as a pure offensive option incins movepool is broken with terastalisation

[chrome knot]

ion wanna talk

its bed time….

[bold geode]

Bitch it's 8 AM

[real prairie]

Can I join?

Not in a naughty way I'm just eternally tired.

[bold geode]

Now it seems naughty ngl

[real prairie]

CBA

Being naughty is too much effort

Do we know when next GC is?

[heady elk]

How can I solo an 6* Annihilape Tera raid with bug type ?

[bold geode]

#tera_raids

[chrome knot]

yah pull up wit a sleeping bag nap time

[heady elk]

I don’t have Nintendo switch online

[bold geode]

They can still give you advice better than us

[bold geode]

What about me 👉👈

[heady elk]

Ok thanks

[chrome knot]

yah hold on idk if my cat tree can fit all 3 of us

[stone trellis]

Magearna's way too frail and not slow enough for its role.

If you want a slow, bulky Pokemon who can snowball games, invest in Ice Rider.

Or actually run bulk on Magearna instead of that Life Orb junk.

Or get away from the ClankerApe bullshit because that means your gameplan isn't as extremely predictable as it would be.

Point being, Magearna as it is right now has become way too stale and predictable for its own good.

[boreal creek]

you will rue the day

[stone trellis]

?

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-scared-gif-13867647787558422865

[stone trellis]

?

I'm so confused right now.

[vernal shadow]

Try collecting ribbons in it too ! Been doing that on my gardi, hence it being on my reg j team

[vernal shadow]

Megearna I've seen as a menace in singles. The one I saw today tho got annihilated by koroidon

No chance to do anything

[upper zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/osamason-mj-michael-jordan-michael-jordan-gif-14320364864328848677

[polar nest]

https://pokepast.es/ac12a520809ef6ed hey uh so been a while since I've talked here, but I have this miraidon dusk mane tailroom (kinda) team I've been working on incase double restricteds come back, and I was hoping to get some insight on what could work here since mirai dusk mane ursa and whims feel nice but incin and hands don't feel as good, thanks (: (holy yap mb)

[solid frigate]

Tbh

Lunala replacing Dusk Mane would make this team better

Or Ice Rider

[polar nest]

Ok so something to note

Trick Room is a bluff

I never really liked trick room however I like dusk bcuz good defensive typing and stats

[solid frigate]

Then Lunala is even better lmao

It doesn’t need TR to stay relevant lmao

[polar nest]

True but I like the fact that dusk is a physical atker

And steel psychic is nice

I tried lunala a couple times but it never really fit my playstyle

[solid frigate]

There are a few key elements that makes Lunala better and you can rely on other mons like Ursaluna (Regular) or Iron Hands to deal Physical damage

Mind if I ask what is your Lunala set

Don’t worry we have a lot to talk about to improve this team

[polar nest]

Uhh I always use fairy Tera and I either run scarf e force moonblast moongheist and a coverage move or power herb and meteor beam e force wg moongheist beam

[solid frigate]

Ok now we see why you did not click

[polar nest]

Besides mirai korai and dusk mane the other restricted I've liked is zacian

[solid frigate]

Usually Lunala in this team run Electric Seed for extra Bulk,I can send some spreads for examples

[polar nest]

Yea im not the best

[polar nest]

Ooh ok Ive never done lunala with mirai

[solid frigate]

Not really the skill it’s more like the Moveset choice

[polar nest]

Im generally bad at both lol

The main selling point on dusk was cooking fairy types like Flutter and Tera fairy lunala that give mirai a hard time

It also just kept 1 shotting things lmao

Im trying to get a team for whatever format pokemon might throw at us next

Any other format im playing crown 100%

[solid frigate]

here are the Lunala Spreads for

Mirai Lunala and Korai Lunala respectively

[polar nest]

Ill try that over dusk mane and see how it goes

[stone trellis]

Who the fuck runs Bold Lunala?

[solid frigate]

Actually I recommend you try That one team in NAIC

[solid frigate]

Example,not real

[stone trellis]

I'm pretty sure the set you're using as a reference was Modest, but aight.

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/1568de5f2d95d4f6

@polar nest you can try this team

[polar nest]

Ok

[solid frigate]

Trust me I just put Bold Lunala because I am truly bored out of VGC rn

[polar nest]

I might go scarf urshi over band tho

Bruh

[solid frigate]

Scarf shifu is fine really depends on playstyle

[polar nest]

Ive always liked scarf so imma stick with it (:

[solid frigate]

That’s fine

[polar nest]

Ive been working on a couple crown teams for anything not reg I too

Might as well get some insight

[solid frigate]

Wdym Crown Teams, Iron Crown?

[polar nest]

Ye

[stone trellis]

This is unrelated, but have you ever tried using Ice Rider?

[polar nest]

I love that goofy robot dog

[polar nest]

A couple times

[solid frigate]

Eh I have used Iron Crown in a Regional before so I know how it feels

Hey Tree

[rustic mountain]

right? finally ||potentially give some competition as a fake out intimidate user but knowing incin itll still b the goat||

[polar nest]

https://pokepast.es/365350e273170d55 i have this rn

https://pokepast.es/b97c2ccf9bbe5773 and this for h + paradoxes if that happens

[solid frigate]

Why the fuck that looks like Justin Carris’s Iron Crown Team lmao

[polar nest]

because it kinda is

mans is a goat

that was my base

[stone trellis]

If you ever decide to use it again, here's the updated paste for the team I posted in #rental_teams:
https://pokepast.es/59b03963fd7f0f4e

[polar nest]

ive fallen in love with my crown set

[stone trellis]

Just like how I've fallen in love with my Miraidon set.

[rustic mountain]

crowns cool

miraidon not so much

[polar nest]

#crowntownforever

[solid frigate]

The only thing I vote from that poll Play Pokémon did earlier is just Reg F so that I can play Iron Crown again

[rustic mountain]

yea i loved japan balance i voted reg f

[polar nest]

Yeaa lets go

im glad f won

[rustic mountain]

give me back urshi-incin-rilla

[polar nest]

we can ignore the fact that i misclicked and voted c on twitter

[rustic mountain]

no we cant

[solid frigate]

F won Instagram and YT Poll

But lose against Twitter polls cuz umm
Moxie and skraw propaganda

[polar nest]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[rustic mountain]

u want reg f, we want the same things

[polar nest]

but terrain wars suuuucccckkkk

[rustic mountain]

part of the game

[polar nest]

):<

i forgot discord turns emoticons into dumb looking emojis

[solid frigate]

As a Miraidon player

It’s the natural Process

[polar nest]

fair nuff

[rustic mountain]

we need better electric terrain setters wen miraidon isnt allowed

[polar nest]

i was chatting with my friend and he told me "use wellspring on the drago version"

[polar nest]

nah bro just pinchurchin can do it

[rustic mountain]

lol

i wish

[polar nest]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-thumbs-up-kid-thumbs-up-meme-brent-ramobjust-gif-19399510

[solid frigate]

we miss tapu koko (not)

[rustic mountain]

ngl i dont wanna discuss teams for a format we dont even know is coming back

[polar nest]

https://pokepast.es/84a7783a92e6a10d also have this non drago version

[polar nest]

fair

[rustic mountain]

kokos cool but idk depending on the format it might be just alright

power creep has been kinda wild since gen 7

[polar nest]

im still waiting for pokemon to put my 50 whole cp on the board 💀

[rustic mountain]

from wat?

[polar nest]

that i got from "winning" locals

[rustic mountain]

nice

why is winning in quotations

[polar nest]

I was the only senior division player

[rustic mountain]

[polar nest]

i went 1-2 using greninja for funzies

[rustic mountain]

oh god another greninja stan here

[polar nest]

sowwy

[rustic mountain]

its ok

[polar nest]

My name is GRENvgc and i have a GRENinja pfp

[solid frigate]

tbf you kinda expected when i was using it in two formats

[polar nest]

i also had swift swim beartic lmao

[rustic mountain]

my names treeco and i had a treecko pfp previously but u didnt see me using that for comp tho

[polar nest]

both losses were game 3s

[rustic mountain]

yea i just know ur a big fan of greninja

[solid frigate]

i kinda just do it for GC

Anything else is a no go

[rustic mountain]

unless the mega is good

[polar nest]

I remember they koed my indeedee in a 2v3 and I koed both with espeon e force and them dengo came out for a 1v1 and i was sad (i was choice locked)

[polar nest]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-begging-pretty-please-beg-on-your-knees-pray-for-mercy-gif-10678931350545522063

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

||Tree ummm did you see the leaks||

[rustic mountain]

some

[polar nest]

I diddidididnt

[solid frigate]

||I still can’t be live what Greninja got||

[rustic mountain]

that i didnt see

[polar nest]

what he get?

pwease pwease be good

[rustic mountain]

this dude is like a kid on christmas rn lmao

[solid frigate]

I’ll tell you in DMs but I hope it’s true and not true at the same time

[rustic mountain]

🤨

ok

[polar nest]

will you twell mwe?

[solid frigate]

No : )

[polar nest]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-mario-phone-check-walk-gif-15818126186478764678

[rustic mountain]

torrent why u being weird haha ||its nasty plot maybe for gren||

[polar nest]

I WILL MAKE MEGA GREN RAIN

I WILL DO IT

wgfornifh0er9hwgi0re9hgon

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

He’s crazy

[polar nest]

will you twell mwe

pwease

[rustic mountain]

ok now ur being weirder

[polar nest]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-sbsp-spongebob-squarepants-please-pretty-please-gif-4801086887325817411

):

[solid frigate]

Somehow I feel tame

[rustic mountain]

i literally told u wat it was y r u still asking him

[solid frigate]

[polar nest]

o

im dumb and i cant find where lmao

[gentle crag]

treeco. (ID 669294124649676800)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
torrent why u being weird haha ||its nasty plot maybe for gren||

Command triggered by treeco.. Message from · Oct 13, 2025, 5:49 PM

[rustic mountain]

the spoiler tag section

[polar nest]

oh wait thats it he just gets ||nasty plot||

o 💀

so we dont know stats

lmao

[rustic mountain]

i think its out there i just dont really care atm to try and find it

[polar nest]

o

alr fair nuff

[solid frigate]

||The stats are leaked but I don’t want to post it here||

[polar nest]

i probably should leave after that whole thing at this point

[polar nest]

fair

[rustic mountain]

🫡 good call

[polar nest]

i googled and cant find 💀

well i just found it

so im g now

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-test-to-the-lab-lab-laboratory-gif-17077322786464100035

||even tho they uhhh... yea||

[boreal creek]

dude wtf is happening on poketwt

[bold geode]

Lets not talk about that here

[stone trellis]

Miraidon is the undisputed GOAT and I love it for that fact.

[boreal creek]

dude i hate miraidon so much

it shouldnt be so strong

[stone trellis]

I know, but I still like using it.

It puts so many pieces together on some of my teams.

Like oh, Ice Rider has a problem with Tera Water Amoonguss? Miraidon's time to shine.

[foggy lodge]

Is it really that good for Greninja

Maybe now Mega Greninja will be CSR coded

Difference is that CSR had some bulk

[solid frigate]

me and Tree discussed a bit

[foggy lodge]

but idk how I feel about mega greninja

Looks like a mon that wants to hold sash but can't

Skill swap sturdy to mega gren!

[solid frigate]

you gonna have more commitment

[polar nest]

bro

i started playing mirai dusk mane after swapping incin for gouging and iron hands to wellspring and i keep winning lol

1st ever 1200 rating

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/marc0fier0/status/1977810113298846133

marcofiero (@marc0fier0)

just found an easy way to handle AV tera water bloodmoon ursaluna

X · Oct 13, 2025, 6:54 PM

[polar nest]

damn

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

Damn

[timber falcon]

Istg I wanted to make a heavily defensive team with AV ursaluna

[polar nest]

1300 with mirai dusk mane

[rustic mountain]

no lol

[molten oasis]

Nothing special

[rustic mountain]

||zygarde||

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/call-me-carson-carson-crying-carson-crying-minecraft-gif-15042578

[rustic mountain]

lmfao

[molten oasis]

don’t fckn remind me

[rustic mountain]

torrent told me u were freakin out

[molten oasis]

I was but then I looked at its movepool

Kinda sucks lmao

[rustic mountain]

i think b/w ||the mega potentially being weird to proc and it retaining 4x ice weakness and having mid stats outside hp and sp atk itll b fine||

[molten oasis]

Yeah I realized that later, mf hates chien pao

And ice rider

It’ll be fine

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

Just hoping the new megas get good abilities

Cuz that’s make or break for a lot of them

[rustic mountain]

some will

they want the new mons to be in the spotlight for the new gen/next format so

[molten oasis]

And some will get pressure

We should also have a bunch of megas for champions tho, so that’ll be fun

[rustic mountain]

i think mega dnite is the only new one ive seen that i think can b good

flexing b/w multiscale/inner focus and another hopefully good ability should only be beneficial

[foggy lodge]

Did you see the funniest one

[molten oasis]

The funniest one?

[foggy lodge]

That might be actually super broken

[molten oasis]

What is it?

[foggy lodge]

||Mega Starmie gets huge power💀||

[molten oasis]

Oh yeah lmao

[rustic mountain]

does that even matter

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[molten oasis]

It’s movepool is getting buffs

[foggy lodge]

||120 speed 105 in both defenses 100 atk x 2||

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 121: Starmie

Types

Water/Psychic

Abilities

Illuminate, Natural Cure, Analytic (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/75/85/100/85/115

Total

520

Sableye version 4.28.4

[foggy lodge]

|| the only problem is the psychic typing ||

[molten oasis]

Hm

[rustic mountain]

imma hold off on that one cuz idt its gna b that good

[foggy lodge]

I think it will pop off in lower power formats

[molten oasis]

Mawile situation maybe

[foggy lodge]

Later when all this

[molten oasis]

That’s what I’m thinking

[rustic mountain]

mawile had good typing and intimidate pre mega

[foggy lodge]

Raging bolt flutter chien pao miraidon mons come in might be bad but for rn it seems like a good mon

[molten oasis]

True you have, illuminate

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

My pain with ||delphox|| is pao and flutter speed creeping it

Like fckn why just let it tie or outspeed

[rustic mountain]

yea its just hard to say given we dont know the full new format and like how every mega actually turns out w/ its subsequent viability. it might be a good on paper not actually good for the format

even in lower power

[foggy lodge]

||tbh I don't think it would have been that good with that extra speed but 134 just puts the last nail on the coffin||

[molten oasis]

[rustic mountain]

then u hav ppl complaining about like 5 mons speed tieing in sv lol

[molten oasis]

It’s ability needs to be really good

[foggy lodge]

Like mega greninja is also fast asf and

[left bobcat]

160?

[foggy lodge]

We all know even with that speed it isn't doing a lot into the 135 gang

[molten oasis]

Sure but like

We have so many base 100 speed mons idt it matters

[rustic mountain]

135 the new 100?

[left bobcat]

Wait the stats are out?

[rustic mountain]

yes

[molten oasis]

Might as well be lol

[rustic mountain]

nah

[molten oasis]

There’s 135 megas too, manectric notably

[rustic mountain]

r old megas in the game too?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[rustic mountain]

kinda want just the new ones lmao

eh w/e most of em r bad anyway

[molten oasis]

People would have been pissed if the old ones weren’t there

[foggy lodge]

I'm so hyper for Mega Gengar

Mega Gengar Scream Tail

[molten oasis]

Mega Lucario

[rustic mountain]

who cares theyll buy the game anyway

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-scream-tail-gif-17742108409059513795

[molten oasis]

That’s my big one

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

Mega Lucario chien pao sounds gas

[left bobcat]

|| Hmm I see so mega greninja gets a 142 speed ||

[molten oasis]

Especially with access to better inner focus

[left bobcat]

A 133 special attack tho ehhhh

[molten oasis]

Spoiler tag!

[rustic mountain]

mega lucario kinda meh no

[molten oasis]

Inner focus used to suck

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 448: Lucario-Mega

Types

Fighting/Steel

Abilities

Adaptability

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/145/88/140/70/112

Total

625

Base Species

Lucario

Sableye version 4.28.4

[rustic mountain]

damn even mega'd its still hot ass

[molten oasis]

The mon was okay

[left bobcat]

Wait its speed is 112? Damn

[molten oasis]

When it was legal, it’s not fucking Metagross

[rustic mountain]

yea i just think better mega options and even better steel megas

[molten oasis]

Yeah

Metagross lol

[left bobcat]

SCHYEAH

[rustic mountain]

• w.o pao its like damn

[molten oasis]

Adaptability is cool but it’s so frail

[left bobcat]

Bullet punch sword of ruin

[molten oasis]

Lopunny however

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

That is a Mon I think will be solid

[rustic mountain]

nd no sash to help w/ that

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 428: Lopunny-Mega

Types

Normal/Fighting

Abilities

Scrappy

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/136/94/54/96/135

Total

580

Base Species

Lopunny

Sableye version 4.28.4

[molten oasis]

Mmmm

[rustic mountain]

eh

[molten oasis]

Maybe I lied why are the megas I wanna use so fucking frail

The main 4 are boring

[rustic mountain]

its defenses arent bad per say but that hp is rough

[molten oasis]

135 speed ties

It ties with pao

[rustic mountain]

i feel like thats not gna b right out the gate tho

135 for regional dex is good the speed isnt really the issue

once legends come in yea most of these are not worth it

[foggy lodge]

btw

[left bobcat]

Hmmm what about mega Chesnaught?

[foggy lodge]

Should we really censor the stats of the megas that are oficially revealed

[left bobcat]

No

[rustic mountain]

not officially

but ones that are still just leaks? yea

[foggy lodge]

Okay so

||Mega Dnite is a special attacker and||

[left bobcat]

Oop

[foggy lodge]

Again Mega Dnite doesn't have a good flying stab!!!

[rustic mountain]

we have mega dnites stats revealed?

[left bobcat]

Hurricane?

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[rustic mountain]

like officially?

[foggy lodge]

Ah no lol

[rustic mountain]

🤨

then spoiler tag haha im confused

[foggy lodge]

Yeah I just meant like does anyone really care about waiting until the game comes out to just see the stats of the megas

[left bobcat]

No not really tbh we’re talking hypotheticals anyways

[rustic mountain]

i always air on the side of caution, its being respectful to ppl that may not want to see certain things like that however irrelevant it seems to u or somebody else

thats how i look at it anyway

[foggy lodge]

Fair

[left bobcat]

I didn’t even know dragonite can learn weather ball

[rustic mountain]

just cuz ive seen stuff myself where i wouldnt think it mattered even as leaked info but other ppl mentioning they wanna go in 100% not knowing anything which like they should be able to do without people just ruining random portions of the game for them, stat info, story or otherwise

[rustic mountain]

now u do

||if mega dnite is special tho, man its not gna b good ahhaha||

||maybe u do some rain stuff or w/e for it w/ hurricane and then run multiscale for bulk||

[left bobcat]

It was never good outside of Gen 9

[dense latch]

||i did see a leak with all the megas’ stats, dnite had like 145 spatk and 125 atk||

[rustic mountain]

it had a few moments but yea

[molten oasis]

Welp

I need the other megas to be good

[dense latch]

||everything points to the fact that mega starmie’s getting huge power which is pretty cool||

[rustic mountain]

i still think itll suck

but yea mak was mentioning that earlier

[left bobcat]

I still got hopes for greninja even tho it’s best to assume that it’s still gonna be frail

[shadow wind]

So are we just having fun out here or what

[rustic mountain]

wat format is that even

[dense latch]

nahh 😭

[shadow wind]

J 🥀

[dense latch]

that’s the game telling you to play a real format

[rustic mountain]

so yea j is only fun otherwise y r u playing it

[shadow wind]

I'm tuning out of real mons for a bit so I want brain off Groudon gameplay

Sick of Dnite Sneasler Ape running my pockets

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[dense latch]

i say this as if reg h wasn’t kinda ass rn too

volc has made it more fun for me

[rustic mountain]

reg h is fine

[dense latch]

hit 1650ish then dropped bc i have no idea how to beat dozo with my new team

[rustic mountain]

we arent far removed from scyther garganacl winning but just cuz the recent tour had a mirror finals everyones wants to be like omg look this format is so boring

its just agenda

[shadow wind]

I just wasn't digging that kind of format

[dense latch]

https://x.com/MichaelderBeste/status/1977826439019032591 lmao

MichaelderBeste (@MichaelderBeste)

Regulation H 🔥

X · Oct 13, 2025, 7:59 PM

[rustic mountain]

haha ok and was g2 120 turns?

[bold geode]

Bro's bitching out /j

[dense latch]

i just thought the tweet was funny not trying to shit on reg h with that

the context in which i sent it def didnt help me tho

[rustic mountain]

gotcha

[left bobcat]

Am I the only one who thinks mega raichu will be ahhhhhh 🥀

[rustic mountain]

yea idk im just tired of ppl shitting on reg h cuz of the silliest reasons

[bold geode]

Real

[rustic mountain]

may not be the greatest format but its not as bad as a lot of ppl would like to think/say

[bold geode]

Skill issue

[shadow wind]

Reg H is like the biggest skill issue possible

[bold geode]

I miss my legendaries but Palafin fills the void

[dense latch]

i think it's a fine enough format
it's not like the lele team is unbeatable or anything

[rustic mountain]

flutter was like 70% useage in reg c but oh some mons are 30-40% useage and all of a sudden its a bad format? like gtfoh

[solid frigate]

for me its more like i can't find a meta team that clicks

Even with Rain i don't feel satisfied

[rustic mountain]

rains fun

[shadow wind]

I think it's because the mons that are popular are unkillable

Multiscale dnite MausApe

Like at least Flutter mane has the physical defenses of a toothpick

[rustic mountain]

they arent though they r just really strong which happens every format, it typically centralizes around the 4-5 big guys

[bold geode]

I remember earlier before Milwaukee when no one was bitching about the Lele 6 and yet everyone was like "but Bolt balance was everywhere in F, bad format"

[rustic mountain]

whats the lele 6

first time im hearing ppl refer to it as that

[bold geode]

The team that won Frankfurt

I usually call it Frankfurt 6
Idfk what I'm saying anymore

[solid frigate]

little six lol

[rustic mountain]

oh gotcha

[bold geode]

Anyways I found it funny how everyone publicly was trashing Reg F cuz of one team yet no one was saying shit about that team

[solid frigate]

i feel like its just Moxie and Skraw being the main enforcers of Reg C propaganda

[bold geode]

Also ngl I feel like that poll dragged out the Reg F hate

[rustic mountain]

yea and b/c it was the mirror in miluawkee every1s like wow format solved how boring wen like reg h has been in a constant state of flux

[bold geode]

Cuz people only see the mons and don't comprehend player diff

[foggy lodge]

I think it really just takes time for this team to fall in usage

[bold geode]

Like Volcarona eats that team
Tera Fire things can eat that team
Cloak can eat that team
There's counters, but the players can beat those counters

[rustic mountain]

i just hate ppl riding for agenda just for the sake of it. if u have valid criticisms sure but i rarely see those its only reactive in the moment

[bold geode]

Yeah fr

[dense latch]

it really just takes looking at more than the best two teams to see the variety that the format still has

[bold geode]

Why I don't state my opinions on the Twitter or whatever that often anymore

[dense latch]

scarf rotom wash made finals in belo horizonte i don't really see anyone talking about it

[rustic mountain]

and like, sure ur gna see the same mons a lot, but guess what? that happens every format haha like idk wat ppl want every single mon in top cut to be completely different then the next? itll just never happen

[dense latch]

ig most ppl just dont care that much about latam regional results but still

[bold geode]

Like shit is so much better once I stopped tryna be a sheep and just
Have my own fuckin opinion

[rustic mountain]

didnt rotom wash win the latam regional

[shadow wind]

I think I just played against a 252 252 bold Arceus

[solid frigate]

like its kinda clear when Reg F has better balancing compare to C

Idk where the fuck Reg F hate come from besides the Raging Bolt stuff

When we have Lando to deal with it and Bolt is kinda the reason why Tornshifu isn't so brainrotting

[foggy lodge]

No it lost in finals

[bold geode]

They're gonna talk shit until Meowscarada wins a double restricted format

[rustic mountain]

especially since a lot of the internet is just bots interacting w/ bots

[dense latch]

this was belo horizonte finals

[bold geode]

Real or people tryna polish off top players

[rustic mountain]

and then ride that high for 13 years like they have pachirisu

[solid frigate]

basically Sejun and Wolfe stans

[bold geode]

REAL

[solid frigate]

well not so much wolfe compare to Sejun

[bold geode]

Or like that little kid with the Oranguru
I don't believe that kid

How could your favorite Pokemon be Oranguru

You're wrong

[rustic mountain]

i was like wait wheres rotom wash lmao

[solid frigate]

ok tbf i respect on him to just click instruct for the millionith time

[rustic mountain]

nah every pokemon is someones favorite

as crazy as that can be thats kinda the cool part of pokemon

[foggy lodge]

But yeah Volca Buzz will revive cuz

Its good into the Frankfurt 6

I still hate reg H even without those 6

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

I'm hater since day 1 it won't change

[rustic mountain]

but why

[dense latch]

i've been using grassy seed volc and it's been fun
if sneasler dies it's like an immediate W

[solid frigate]

i kinda just hate that VGC community meta is to be

Popular,top player and done something for people to lick the boot on

[rustic mountain]

?

that has nothing to do w/ wat i said haha

but yea that is annoying

[solid frigate]

yeah ik i was just saying

oh add one more thign

use niche pokemon

[bold geode]

You can't convince me someone out there answers that question with Aromatisse

[solid frigate]

i just wish VGC Community is not like thhe stuff i mentioned above

i could care less on TCG,Go and Unite

but its just feels sad about you have to be like one of the four to be famous

[foggy lodge]

Annoying mons like sneasler a9 and dnite and outside of the volatile mons the format really having all this mons that are super broken like archaludon the ursalunas sneasler and dengo way too oppresive to the format

Idt it is really that different from a restricteds format tbh

[bold geode]

Nah, Incineroar better fuck you

[foggy lodge]

And I just don't like this mons so that makes me dislike it more lol

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-default-dance-pokemon-fortnite-dance-emote-gif-2545029317203136789

[bold geode]

Opinion invalid

The dolphin has made me enjoy the format

The dolphin doesn't concern itself with the meta

[foggy lodge]

The ursas are so disrespectful to me

I saw bloodmoon after bloodmoon on stream and was like yeah this move shouldn't be allowed in this format lol

[solid frigate]

I just don’t like facing Jumpluff and that’s it

Maybe Dozogiri but idk

[rustic mountain]

in the sense that theres strong mons the format revolves around? sure but also doesnt take up a slot (either 1 or 2 designated restricted slots) and all of em have some sort of counterplay that doesnt require u to run some offshoot mon to beat, they arent too strong cuz of lack of counters they are strong cuz they happen to rise above the rest b/c of their tools given whats available. i just think the reasons u dislike it are more personal qualms then actual objective issue u even said urself u dont like a lot of the mons that are allowed
my main issue is people disguising those personal takes as genuine criticism

• restricteds are actually broken (the good ones) so i disagree in that sense regardless

[shadow wind]

Oh nah

Why is Reg J ladder high up

I thought nobody was playing this

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

I ain't hitting T500 in one sitting that means it's a bad ladder !

[rustic mountain]

oh wow #1 is 1900s lmao thats way higher then reg h

[shadow wind]

That's what I'm saying

[rustic mountain]

top 500 mark around the same tho 1580s

[shadow wind]

Just about lost to an iron ball CSR

I'm pretty happy with this lowkey

Exactly an 80% winrate

[solid frigate]

Lmfao

[shadow wind]

I was a little confused when it moved before my Ogerpon and Groudon in TR

But iron ball CSR can only be so slow

[polar nest]

are we deadass bro https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2461106832

[timber falcon]

is there anything that explicitly shuts down sneasler?

[shadow wind]

Gholdengo

[rustic mountain]

dnites pretty good into it in most cases

intimidate is annoying

[left bobcat]

Incin+ dengo

[shadow wind]

L + Ratio + Dire claw 3 turn sleep + I hate Reg H

[timber falcon]

So then what explicitly shuts down gholdengo

[twin kindle]

Incin n sun are pretty good into it

[cyan smelt]

In b4 tera fighting gholdengo

Ursaluna bm is pretty good into it though

[timber falcon]

so then what explicitly counters incineroar

[solid frigate]

there isn't one

[timber falcon]

oh yeah i forgot

dumbass cat

[cyan smelt]

Nothing, incin is just a good glue mon

[timber falcon]

welp, guess ill have to work round that one

[cyan smelt]

Tera fighting gholdengo is good into the cat though

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-bocchi-dance-anime-dance-anime-cute-dance-gif-8640564821222907754

[timber falcon]

what about smth like tatsudozo? if its still relevant

[solid frigate]

It’s still relevant but like not as much imo

[twin kindle]

Annihalape n rain I think basc kills even through ghost Tera

[solid frigate]

The Tera Ground Blast A9 in Question

[timber falcon]

forgot about defiant, ty

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to thedamsxlette

[solid frigate]

The more definitive answer is

Just try to position yourself to not get threaten by fake out everytime

[twin kindle]

Ape is immune to fake out

[timber falcon]

ive got a dragonite in my team, im just worried what i can do to deal damage back

[solid frigate]

Yeah it’s one mon I’m saying generally

[solid frigate]

Show us the team

[twin kindle]

Mega it and aerliate hyper beam it trust

[timber falcon]

its legit just dragonite and alolan ninetails rn, theyre the 2 mons ive had my eyes on

i was thinking about going balance

[solid frigate]

Luna-

i don't think it kills-

[cyan smelt]

Blaziken coaching

[twin kindle]

You could just do the cliche incin rilla stuff it gives u an out into eveurhrjng

[solid frigate]

Sneasler,Dengo,Incin,RIlla

there you go frankfurt 6

[timber falcon]

sneasler disgusts me so thats a no go

[foggy lodge]

Just run the swords dance set

[twin kindle]

I’m a humanoid pokemon fan so I’m actually pretty glad Sneasler is so fun

[timber falcon]

ill try it out

[timber falcon]

swords dance dragonite?

[foggy lodge]

No wtf

[solid frigate]

Bruh

[foggy lodge]

Swords dance sneasler

[cyan smelt]

Swords dance grassy seed sneasler

[solid frigate]

<@&663761167176433665>

[solid frigate]

not an excuse atp

[cobalt tapir]

ty

[solid frigate]

unless you wanna play Mausape with Leonard's team @timber falcon

[timber falcon]

i think i will

[solid frigate]

@twin kindle mind if I slide into your dms to see any progress on your teams

Or you still busy

[twin kindle]

no

I’m jk ofc Idm

[polar nest]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2461148309 okok so this goofy red lion gets 1 ATTACK BOOST and ohkos an ICE RIDER?? I thought I would do like 60%

[polar nest]

why does lorcy have wrong flag

[next stump]

I think even though he lives in the US his ethnicity is Jamaican

and players can choose to represent their ethnicity

[polar nest]

ooh

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-spongebob-meme-weird-face-gif-15779118

[solid frigate]

yeah,like for my example,i am from Hong Kong but i did not use HK Flag for representing me in VGC,i use the UK flag since i would be in UK for like a longer while

its either location or Ethnicity

[polar nest]

I finally beat a tr team on ladder

I kept losing to them

But I started realizing I can reverse tr lmao

[solid frigate]

use TR to your Advantage lmao you have Iron Hands lol

[polar nest]

Actually I dropped hands for ogerpon wellspring...

And dropped incin for gouging

But they have both been doing amazing

Gouging also helps dusk mane out alot

With howl dusk mane be ohkoing ice rider after 1 boost

[solid frigate]

So basically slow Zacian

[polar nest]

But yeah im now addicted to my leftovers dusk mane

[solid frigate]

No clear Amulet?

[polar nest]

Slow zacian with more bulk and higher attack

[polar nest]

I was considering it and might switch

[solid frigate]

Yeah you basically lose to Incineroar if you are not with something that protect Dusk Mane’s damage output-

[polar nest]

You know what

Ill try clear amulet

https://pokepast.es/f47abaa7a41d68c4 my team rn

also steel psychic im just soaking up hits

ice rider glacial does like 15% pre tera 30% after

then again this is cts bo1 reg j so not super accurate but its the only thing with a ladder

[solid frigate]

High Horsepower in question:

[polar nest]

eh I can tera out

ok lemme check the damage

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice High Horsepower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Prism Armor Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 87-103 (50.5 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-thumbs-up-kid-thumbs-up-meme-brent-ramobjust-gif-19399510

[solid frigate]

It’s prism Armor so not gonna rely on it

[polar nest]

why not

cuz weezing?

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice High Horsepower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 116-138 (67.4 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO this is without prism armor

i still live 1 and thats before tera

[solid frigate]

It would not work when there is actual damage

It’s basically same logic as Shadow Shield

[shadow wind]

Alright guys I got some questions

And by some I mean like 1

When I'm playing against anyone I can see most of the plays they can make but when it gets to be like 5 possible plays I struggle choosing which one to play for

Obviously you gotta make mid ground plays sometimes but I wanna learn to get an advantage out of 90% of plays

I just feel like I'm missing out on opportunities

[left bobcat]

Uhhhhhhhhhhh yeah I cant answer that imma pass it to the next person

[rustic mountain]

sometimes the advantage just isnt being put at a disadvantage

[shadow wind]

The advantage state was the friends we made along the way

[rustic mountain]

hence middle ground, u cant cover for everything always and ur falling into a trap thinking every turn has to net u some kind of major positive. sometimes the positive just isnt being put into the negative u gta switch/re position or re calibrate how ur approaching the match

[shadow wind]

I didn't realize how terrible bo1 tr was to deal with

Tera ground eject pack smeargle 🥀

Like what

[rustic mountain]

[polar canyon]

Realizing that champions potentially allowing every pokemon and bringing every gimmick back the implication is that we'll actually get tera electric balloon shedinja people always joked about

[shadow wind]

What does that do?

[polar canyon]

No weakness wonder guard

Which would just mean sand/wisp is required if you don't wanna lose to it

Or mold breaker

[twin kindle]

Safety goggles safeguard trust

[bold geode]

Comes with playing the game for a while

Also being able to trust your gut in situations

The gut is smart as hell

[stone trellis]

Please calc for 116 Adamant Crunch

[stone trellis]

Or just bringing Terapagos.

Or Enamorus, or any Pokemon with Contrary who'd like to use Tera Stellar Tera Blast.

[shadow wind]

Saying that like I’ve been playing for a week

[signal glen]

I'm so mad I can't bring my golispod to violet, would have done amazing in comp

[knotty briar]

Please tell me that's a joke
Golisopod is a cool pokemon, but it's pure ass in comp

[signal glen]

Nah your imagining things, it's a goat in comp

[knotty briar]

Maybe in low ranking singles...
Listen, I understand the appeal of using your favorite pokemon in comp, but unfortunately, not all pokemon are created equally

That's why I stopped trying to make Blastoise work

Tbh Golisipod couldn't even hold up in gen 7
It's sad because it really is a cool pokemon

Maybe one day we'll get tinted lens or something like that for its hidden ability

[waxen dock]

not really

[waxen dock]

exactly

[knotty briar]

If Blastoise had swift swim instead of rain dish, it would be insane
Imagine the double speed rain boosted water spouts coming from it

I want mah boi to be viable 😭

[signal glen]

Nerf incenaroar

[waxen dock]

fr

[signal glen]

Buff luxray and give him a mega

[knotty mirage]

How would you nerf incin anyway the drop the stat ?

[solid frigate]

Take away one of the moves(even tho that would not work)

[knotty mirage]

I think taking away u turn and parting shot should help

Like incin got parting shot is already questionable to begin with anyway

No more pivoting move for incin could be noticable nerf because well you will have harder time switching out

[rustic mountain]

stop this blasphemy

incin keeps the guys u should actually be scared of in check

[knotty briar]

Pretty sure both clear amulet and covert cloak were added to help with dealing with Incineroar
What more do y'all want!?

[signal glen]

Him to be nerfed into the dirt like the rest of his region

[knotty briar]

Incineroar forces the most terrifying physical attackers to run clear amulet
Basically forcing your opponent to not have scarf, band, or life orb make so many powerful physical attackers manageable

Imagine if CIR could effectively run life orb or choice band for example

I love using CIR and even I don't wanna imagine that

[solid frigate]

Facts

Without Incin this game would be a lot worse-

[shadow wind]

Now if we could nerf the horses I doubt anyone would complain

[knotty briar]

Nah, CIR is definitely fair and balanced
It certainly doesn't cause any problems

[vernal shadow]

Just curious what sorta sets people run on caly ice ? The number of times I've run into one and been able to win by just spamming wide guard bc they only press glacial lance is insane

Testing on showdown for reg j

[solid frigate]

Glacial Lance High Horsepower Trick Room Protect

[vernal shadow]

Why spam glacial lance into wide guard for 3 turns in a row ? It's happened a lot. Granted I'm only at like 1150 or so but still. Just odd to me

[solid frigate]

Wide guard mind games moment

[vernal shadow]

I guess. It works so incredibly well and I've won a few times off it 😂

I'm preferring specs gardi over scarf with tr and tw support depending on team matchup

Miraidon get outta here 😂

[vernal shadow]

Surely I wouldn't press it 4 times in a row...

[vernal shadow]

I've seen some megas stats have been leaked. Any that blow the old out of the water or some that make the Pokémon worth using. Meganiums seems pretty good stat wise but it does lack moonblast apparently

[solid frigate]

sigh

[chrome knot]

its a good team

[solid frigate]

Yeah I’m

Nothing wrong of actually fighting it anyway

[stone trellis]

Thanks for revealing your weakness. I will remember this if we ever end up playing against each other.

[gentle crag]

skywarsveteran1607 has given 1 Gen Rep to seamagician703

[stone trellis]

Syfm 💔

[vernal shadow]

There's lots of counter play here but most people do just spam aoe and don't seem to grasp why it's not doing anything

So I'll just stick to wide guard

[waxen dock]

Cuz its low ladder

There is a reason why peoole like them have low elo

[real prairie]

that time of year again... im an old bastard

[waxen dock]

happy birthday

[left bobcat]

Yo chill

[left bobcat]

Happy birthday gramps 🎉

[bold geode]

Old man

[left bobcat]

Gahhh damn why is a treecko so old

[craggy dagger]

happy birthdayyy
you’re not old yet

[real prairie]

Nice metaphor about getting old in life but never really evolving

[stone trellis]

The biggest difference between a low ladder player and someone that's actually good is knowing when spamming a move works.

[chrome knot]

omg who drew this

happy birbday ! !

[real prairie]

That one is a chat gpt special lol

[chrome knot]

:(

[real prairie]

Thank you Hun x

[gentle crag]

averagejack_yt has given 1 Gen Rep to setsumizi

[real prairie]

The candle is the giveaway lol

[chrome knot]

ik

[real prairie]

At least I'm not lying claiming it's my work I guess 😭🤣

[bold geode]

[chrome knot]

oops gotta go

[waxen dock]

Not really

Its mainly a mind game

[bold geode]

No come back

[wooden steeple]

chat did i cook

[shadow wind]

Steel beam Archaludon 🥀

[solid frigate]

2 steel types that counteract each others roles-

[real prairie]

82def guarantees an adamant sneasler close combat survive on arch

[solid frigate]

Why is it not Power Herb Archaludon Hello-

[wooden steeple]

nothing lives it lol

[shadow wind]

Not even Archaludon lives it twin

[shadow wind]

Because lefties for steel beam recovery 😝😝😝

And rain dance Horoark

[wooden steeple]

99% of the time it's the last move I click in the game, if both pokemon die I still win :)

[real prairie]

In which case it's probably a wasted move.

[shadow wind]

Why not just Draco at that point

[wooden steeple]

also yea theoretically you can heal back up with lefties without as much of a problem as one might think

[wooden steeple]

cuz I can't hit fairys outside of rain at all then

[wooden steeple]

how is it wasted if it wins games flash cannon can't?

[shadow wind]

It’s like if you gave a Pokémon explosion

[real prairie]

Because it's taking the place of something that would prevent you getting to a late game 1v1 and having to use a hail mary

[shadow wind]

You’re clicking it 1/25 games

Meaning it’s quite wasted because something would make other games easier

You have a whole Gholdengo for fairy types

[wooden steeple]

I'm clicking flash cannon 0/25 games

[solid frigate]

also Archaludon is so fucking tanky in Physical side+Stamina usually you just wall your opponent down

Even then you can run Assault vest and make it even harder to remove

[shadow wind]

Bet you would click it more than steel beam

[wooden steeple]

I like to be able to protect with my central pieces like archaludon

[shadow wind]

You have 18 central pieces

[real prairie]

Then run Snarl, because you aren't running AV

[wooden steeple]

the only time I have I wished it was steel beam cuz flash didn't win the endgame steel beam would've lol

[shadow wind]

Recency bias

[wooden steeple]

yea that's actually the other move I'd consider but no stab feels both really scuffed and really funny

[shadow wind]

And steel beam doesn’t feel scuffed 😭😭?

[wooden steeple]

legit no

[real prairie]

It's essentially a support move, stab is meh

[wooden steeple]

the damage output is ridiculous, if you ever play it you'll understand it's power more, it's not often actually worth the 50% health but on that arch sets it's felt lowkey good

[wooden steeple]

yea archaludons stabs are basically fighting and electric lol

[shadow wind]

Yeah because you have 4 walking win cons

[wooden steeple]

4?

[real prairie]

Then you may aswell be running max speed max special study on it

[shadow wind]

If you had 6 Miraidons clicking memento on one of them wouldn’t feel terrible either

[wooden steeple]

noooo you've been having such good takes I was sooo rooting for you rn

[shadow wind]

I’m downvoting

[real prairie]

I've said the same as the others just more politely

[wooden steeple]

listen Im not forcing anyone to run steel beam too lmao

[real prairie]

Steel beam is not good

[shadow wind]

You’ve got more patience

[wooden steeple]

you've figured out the snarl set I used on a previous more dedicated rain team

snarl is really good on lefties arch too

[shadow wind]

I’m already so done with Reg H that even seeing a Reg H team tilts me

[real prairie]

Yeah fair, if you want to keep using it do so. But we are trying to help

[solid frigate]

i'm just watching a comedy

[real prairie]

It's quite a common set

[shadow wind]

I bet Archaludon dies to -1 lorb ep

From Blursa

[solid frigate]

yeah it does lets not hide around the bush

[wooden steeple]

body press, e shot, snarl, protect with lefties?

[shadow wind]

Why we running lefties

Isn’t the whole point of stamina to get hit

[wooden steeple]

to be able to run protect

[real prairie]

I've seen it I just meant snarl is a common set

[shadow wind]

Why do you need protect you have follow me

There’s like 2 special spread moves in the game right now

Both of which he resists

Most of the time anyway

[real prairie]

Speaking of Arch.

I saw a stalwart focus sash dragontail one the other day

[solid frigate]

power herb also allows you to run protect-

[wooden steeple]

stalwart is based

[wooden steeple]

power herb also doesn't have add any bulk whatsoever

[solid frigate]

because its for damage sigh

[wooden steeple]

yea and lefties isn't

[real prairie]

Without AV you are just as squishy running lefties on the special side

[wooden steeple]

just trust the set, I've got the comfort with it

[real prairie]

GL with it

[shadow wind]

Asking for a friend but what’s your elo?

[wooden steeple]

actually a few regs back I've ran an AV body press eshot snarl mirror coat set, twas really funny

[wooden steeple]

don't play the reg lol

[shadow wind]

🥀

[solid frigate]

@real prairie @shadow wind I know Conner you are not from the rain bros cuz you are playing Groudon but like man I can’t with this

[wooden steeple]

I got to 1500 with a funny weezing team, then dropped with a full nonsense much worse zoroark team I'd prefer not remembering what that was

[shadow wind]

I can be a rain guy when Toxicroak is involved

Toxicroak my beloved

[solid frigate]

I mean it’s not the worst thing in the world after we saw Noivern got into day 2

[wooden steeple]

showdown elo is more of a tell on free time and dedication to not running ass teams in between the sets of your actual team

[shadow wind]

It’s definitely not the best measure but being able to hit high peaks still shows skill

You don’t need to play 1000 games to hit T500 if you are half decent

[wooden steeple]

I've hit good 1700s in reg J

[shadow wind]

Nice

T100 is always cool

[wooden steeple]

I was top 20 day 1 then didn't play for a week lol

when a formats more fun I'll play it more, reg H is kinda lame

[shadow wind]

Reg H is dead to me

Stupid format that takes too much effort to just lose to Dnite MausApe

[wooden steeple]

the entire merit of the format was seeing different mons, and then we had a full 6 mirror finals this weekend

[solid frigate]

I’m like just haven’t play much after Miraidon Ho-Oh Team was released from me

[wooden steeple]

but even before the full mirrors, most teams literally just had different mons doing the exact same things

the most interesting mechanics you'd see on meta teams are literally setup moves like bruh

weezing was interesting exept noone plays it, zoroark is interesting but noone plays it

[shadow wind]

Golfe Wlick played it this past weekend

[wooden steeple]

arch can be interesting if you don't play lame spreads

[wooden steeple]

I know, big hype

wolfe always brings based things

I uber respect his power herb arch set, its absolutely not my comfort tho

[real prairie]

A9 balance

[shadow wind]

If I had to play against that stupid icicle spear A9 one more time I would’ve died

Thank god I’ve written off any more Reg H

[wooden steeple]

I used to really like AV, but seeing everyone copy braindead modest sets hurt my soul too much and now I'm going lefties instead of AV lmao, it's lowkey really legit tho trust you should try it

[real prairie]

It's not even that anymore, it's fucking encore blizzard sash A9

[shadow wind]

Blizzard spam is not cool

It’s an already strong move that just can freeze on command

Is sun the worst weather?

Nah can’t be

[wooden steeple]

sand:

[shadow wind]

Snow is definitely the worst

But I think sand is better than sun right now

[wooden steeple]

Snow and rain easy top 2

[shadow wind]

Why snow so high?

[wooden steeple]

cuz A9 is literally everywhere lol

[shadow wind]

I get the rain because rain gets everything but snow really only has A9 right now

Oh if we’re talking about like usage rate absolutely snow is #2

[wooden steeple]

Like when a team of 6 has an exact mirror in finals I gotta consider it top tier

I'd say rain 1st cuz rain teams are more dedicated to abusing rain, while A9s snow is mostly secondary and absolutely doesn't need to be set every game

[shadow wind]

But snow isn’t strong it’s literally just buffing blizzard right now from a Mon with like 89 spatk

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 38: Ninetales-Alola

Types

Ice/Fairy

Abilities

Snow Cloak, Snow Warning (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

73/67/75/81/100/109

Total

505

Base Species

Ninetales

Sableye version 4.28.4

[shadow wind]

81 🥀🥀

[wooden steeple]

oh as a weather in terms of only it's effects sure I guess

I'd still put it above sand cuz that's doing nothing lmao

[shadow wind]

At least sand has chip still

I’d also say sand abusers are overall stronger

Notably Excadrill and Ttar

[wooden steeple]

chip does nothing exept breaking sashes lol

half the meta is immune anyways

and if rain is set you're fucked

[real prairie]

Snow is #1 in usage

A9 is top 6 usage Mon

Snow is the anti weather weather

It's not there to benefit anyone it's there it literally just fuck off anyone using a weather team

[shadow wind]

Same with in singles

Chilly reception Glowking is my goat

[wooden steeple]

Archaludon is an electric/fighting type with ability as one (stalwart + change it's entire defensive matchup spread to steel/dragons)

[shadow wind]

Current ranking for me in Reg H

Rain
Snow
Sand
Sun

[wooden steeple]

FUCK I ment stamina

I'd put sun above sand

Torkoal is really nasty imo

And sun had an actual accomplishment with marco sun, while sand has -

[shadow wind]

This is true

[real prairie]

Sand won a regional a while back no?

[solid frigate]

Yah with the frozen metal bird

[real prairie]

And yet when I ask it for team building advice it still does this...

Incineroar @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Fake Out
• Parting Shot
• Snarl
• Knock Off

[solid frigate]

Leftovers Incin

sigh

[bold geode]

Baek used it at an event

[solid frigate]

Yeah I remember that

Just sigh

[left bobcat]

YOOOOO mega dragagle

[foggy lodge]

https://fixupx.com/glitchy_potat/status/1978185305879364082

glitchy (@glitchy_potat)

how perish trap players look at you at the end of every turn

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FixupX · Oct 14, 2025, 7:45 PM

[rustic mountain]

[mighty stump]

u suck

[chrome knot]

tofu!!!! @mighty stump

[solid frigate]

<@&663761167176433665>

[real prairie]

Yo Fu!

[merry summit]

i kill

[charred saddle]

met minh in the last game before MB 😭

3 losses from DC

@pure niche

@stiff granite MB rank already

ill make the team this saturday, then prob try to win, if not its gonna be sunday

[stiff granite]

LMAO met minh

@thorny beacon why bad

[thorny beacon]

BORK OGK BOBV KDF GSO DGJG RDFSKM0OI FWENKEFWS

[stiff granite]

take your time leo i appreciate this

[chrome knot]

mingmingming

[thorny beacon]

herwllo]

[pure niche]

Nooooooo

I went from high 1600s down to 1513 on showdown tonight practising with my BO3 team in BO1, that's some depressing stuff

[charred saddle]

BO1 is just dogwater honestly 😭

so much weird stuff and not being able to see the team report is so weird

[pure niche]

I'd be a millionaire if Volc could keep all the power gems that are sent to OHKO it

[charred saddle]

last time i wanted to make a meteor beam terapagos

out of 6 games i missed 3

[pure niche]

Man I feel that

[charred saddle]

insta goes into the trash

[pure niche]

Heat wave isn't having a good night with that 90 acc either, probably hitting about 60% which is actually not as bad as normal haha

[charred saddle]

on a good day tho

double hits
double crits
double burns

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-spongebob-imagination-gif-11877335675029242228

[solid frigate]

Meanwhile @molten oasis did a double freeze to me

[pure niche]

If I get this at regionals, I'm sweet

Volc is a menace on a good or even average day. Seeing it go down T1 from a BO1 play is not enjoyable

Are you at MB yet or still struggling?

[charred saddle]

i stopped kek

im only aiming to go to MB and play 1 game to get the master ribbon for cellos shiny mew

and maybe raikas pokemon

funny thing is

i didnt even play with a double restricted team

i played the MDB stockholm winning team

just because im lazy to find a good team and learn it from scratch

and also maybe to practice not plying 2 restricteds anyway

[pure niche]

Noice, I like MDB teams he usually does a team report on his yt as well which is good

[waxen dock]

||i just hope mega zygarde will be banned during worlds||

[waxen dock]

its spoiler for za

[twin kindle]

[solid frigate]

LUNAAAAA

[twin kindle]

Yellow

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-bocchi-dance-anime-dance-anime-cute-dance-gif-8640564821222907754

[real prairie]

Thats fine

[gentle crag]

woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)

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Command triggered by averagejack_yt. Message from · Dec 14, 2023, 1:07 AM

[rustic mountain]

thx for popping back in just for that

[gentle crag]

treeco. has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

Waddup bro

[bold geode]

"My self esteem is now at an all time high after that "

[rustic mountain]

lol

[molten oasis]

[rustic mountain]

drago actually playing mons?

[molten oasis]

I’m washed but a little

I tried volcarona and just realized I don’t like volcarona

[rustic mountain]

volcs cool

[molten oasis]

I think it’s cool too

And I like the idea of cloak volc into the frankhurt team

But they just still have so many tools it’s brutal, it’s more annoying than an answer

[rare pumice]

when did reg j begin?

[bold geode]

Covert Clock

[molten oasis]

I’m tried man

[bold geode]

Oh yeah I bet you are super tried

[polar canyon]

Do we know mainline game base stats for it

[bold geode]

Let's not talk about spoilers in here thx

[primal saddle]

is there a way to test legends ZA vgc meta right now ? or how are you guys building teams?

[foggy lodge]

There's no thing like a legends za vgc meta

[bold geode]

Yeah there isn't one and probably won't be one for a few days tbh

[primal saddle]

do we know if mega evolutions will return to vgc? or its just unkown

[bold geode]

Champions confirmed they were

[primal saddle]

thanks dude

[bold geode]

Mhm

[mighty stump]

champions isn’t even out either

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

It's apparently starting to roll out, but it's not in most countries yet so

[molten oasis]

Tfym it’s rolling out

[bold geode]

Apparently it's rolling out based on time zones

So like rn Australia has access

[molten oasis]

I see

Oh you mean ZA

I thought you meant champions lol

[bold geode]

Oh wait
Nah I just can't read

[bold geode]

So what you up to

[mighty stump]

great

[mighty stump]

waiting for ZA to release

[bold geode]

Same

[mighty stump]

Just wanna play

Anyone got the timing or drh

sth

[bold geode]

I gotta wait til like
Almost fuckin midnight

[mighty stump]

How long is that

[bold geode]

Um idk
I know Australia has access to it rn so

For me it's 11pm which is a lil over 9 hrs but like

[mighty stump]

Well how many hours til midnight for you

oh

Ah well

Well anyhow

I’ll be making my return shortly once newgen arises

[bold geode]

But some places have access so idk what times people will truly get it

[bold geode]

Well fuck me, I ain't doing no SV shit

Oh Tofu we might get Reg F back maybe

[mighty stump]

Lmao I mean champions stuff

[mighty stump]

egh

I’m over it

Life has gotten in the way enough that its buried my interest in SV comp

Like I don’t believe I have much else to learn from SV comp at the moment

[bold geode]

Right
I'm waiting for Champions personally
Like I'm having fun with Reg H rn but like
It's not the heaviest investment rn, just a decent time killer for me

[mighty stump]

Im just gonna still shiny hunt - the Switch 2 is gonna make farming XL Charcadet easier hopefully

[bold geode]

Oh Tofu I did it again I gotta tell you bout this LMAO

[mighty stump]

What did u do now

[bold geode]

So remember how in my first GC both me and you like did well and then bombed the last day

[mighty stump]

as usual

[bold geode]

I shit you not
First GC this season
I literally did the exact same fucking thing with the exact same D1 and D2 records