competitive_discussion

[real prairie]

Ludicolo is my goat, Barraskewda was a solution to Sneasler + Dragapult

[stone trellis]

Fair.

I still kind of want to run Barraskewda on its own, to be entirely honest.

I'm not really keen on having three Water types in one team.

[real prairie]

yeah im feeling that

might just go scarf Dragapult

[cyan smelt]

i'm abandoning the kingdra dragon cheer sniper idea

[stone trellis]

I'm currently cooking a rain team.

But like, an actual good one.

[real prairie]

let me know what you cook, ill see if i can squeeze ludicolo into it and use it too 🤣

[stone trellis]

I'm mostly going to use your blueprint.

I like the Politoed-Skewda-Tsareena stuff.

[dapper crag]

Omg I love the torpedo

[stone trellis]

As do I.

That Japanese guy who traded me a Barraskewda back in February must have had future sight.

[empty saddle]

10-0 in reg h with this team today https://pokepast.es/bf3f5331327f4c3f

(not made by me)

[stone trellis]

We know.

It's in the team paste's name.

[empty saddle]

just thought id be clear lmao

[cyan smelt]

i like the core of garchomp kilowattrel ninetales

[waxen dock]

i used to use this team

[empty saddle]

genuinely so fun

[waxen dock]

i even have it as a battle team so i can use it next gc as my team

but it is better for bo3

[empty saddle]

ive just been laddering on showdown

[waxen dock]

what elo?

[cyan smelt]

i really want to try and make sniper dragon cheer kingdra work

[empty saddle]

started 1260, dropped from 1400 thanks to a double genie team i was trying, currently 1450

[waxen dock]

so nice ig

maybe try to top 500 with it

[empty saddle]

i dont usually play vgc reg i more play random battles, but burn out lead me back to vgc haha

[waxen dock]

reg i?

[empty saddle]

yeah im just gonna play with it until its not fun and randbats calls to me again

[waxen dock]

reg i is gone

[empty saddle]

no reg h

this team would not work in reg i hahah

[waxen dock]

ik

[empty saddle]

1 astral barrage and its all over

[craggy dagger]

:0
teeb

[solid frigate]

t e e b

[stone trellis]

Guys, I need help with this team.
https://pokepast.es/5379a4f1ba207160

[dapper crag]

What even IS this

Where do I begin

[stone trellis]

Ever heard of "Protect the King"?

This is "protect the torpedo".

[dapper crag]

But arch is there

[stone trellis]

It's that bad, huh?

And?

[dapper crag]

Isnt arch meant to be the king

[stone trellis]

Archaludon is the king, Barraskewda is the torpedo he's about to fire.

[dapper crag]

Isnt tsareena too frail to be used anymore

Rillaboom might be a better pick

[stone trellis]

Anti-Rillaboom tool.

[dapper crag]

Oh wow

[stone trellis]

I need to stop Grassy Glide.

[dapper crag]

Is grassy glide that dangerous

[polar canyon]

Yes

[stone trellis]

It OHKOs Barraskewda, which is suboptimal.

[polar canyon]

Suboptimal is one word for it

[stone trellis]

"Gameplan-ruining" is another.

[dapper crag]

How about you add

Incineroar

[stone trellis]

On a rain team?

Make a paraplegic kid race against prime Usain Bolt, why don't you?

[dapper crag]

Wow you sure are something

Try walking wake tho I never used it

[stone trellis]

It's kinda not legal in Reg H...

[dapper crag]

Wait since when was this a reg H team

[stone trellis]

I wonder.

This is entirely unrelated, but why's your PFP that one frame of Nemona from NDY's S/V video?

[dapper crag]

Because I relate to nemona so much and this one frame represents my entire personality

I guess my name helps too

[stone trellis]

Your name's Nemona?

[dapper crag]

No

[stone trellis]

Oh.

I'm a little dumb.

[dapper crag]

Happens

[stone trellis]

Bit of a rude question, but are you a dude or a girl?

[dapper crag]

Girl

[stone trellis]

Aight.

Why do girls like less good legendaries?

[dapper crag]

What

[stone trellis]

CSR is not better than Miraidon, why do you all think it's the best restricted?

[dapper crag]

I like Miraidon

[stone trellis]

It's nothing, just a friend of mine who glazes it and she can't accept that Miraidon negs.

[dapper crag]

Calyrex shadow is fast and is a special attacker ^^

[solid frigate]

Ok this is kinda subjective even with the worlds Result

[dapper crag]

I think thats pretty cool

[solid frigate]

That’s basically Miraidon but Miraidon hits even harder-

[stone trellis]

And Miraidon has a better typing.

[dapper crag]

Miraidon is like Zekrom 2.0

[stone trellis]

On top of making sleep basically impossible for five turns.

[dapper crag]

Calyrex is literally two pokemon

[stone trellis]

Oh, and powering up one of the strongest physical attackers to come out of this generation.

[solid frigate]

I love how you said you like Miraidon but then later taking Miraidon compare to Zekrom

[dapper crag]

Zekrom isnt bad

At least not in my eyes

[solid frigate]

It’s bad

[stone trellis]

"Restricteds who can file your taxes, take the kids to school and cook food VS restricteds who can't take a single fucking Dark move"

[dapper crag]

Maybe its smth about using calyrex shadow successfully that makes it feel more rewarding

Even tho other legendaries make it easier to get the same result

[solid frigate]

The funny thing is that Miraidon can do the take the kids to school lmao

[stone trellis]

And it's probably smart enough to understand how taxes work.

And use Chi-Yu to cook your food.

[solid frigate]

I mean with the database of the future,probably

[dapper crag]

But wolfey used Koraidon

[rustic mountain]

yes the very broken mon has a 4x weakness, its still extremely strong

like wat r we even saying here, csr is a top tier restricted

🤨

[solid frigate]

Get out

[stone trellis]

I know he's top 3 or even arguably top 2.

I just love slandering him because it gets that exact reaction from everybody.

[rustic mountain]

this might blow ur mind but it was csr and mirai as 1a 1b for like the whole format id say either had a reasonable case for it

[stone trellis]

I can't argue against Shadow Rider's strength, it's won Worlds once, won three regionals, one International and came second at Worlds this year.

[dapper crag]

Yall underestimating life orb koraidon

[stone trellis]

But again, I slander it because it's top-tier ragebait.

[rustic mountain]

[stone trellis]

As an Icy player, I do not.

[solid frigate]

Do you think we will underestimate how busted Lorb does to Korai

It’s more like the bunch of Wolfe Talks that I am tired of

[dapper crag]

It worked tho

[rustic mountain]

how

[dapper crag]

It won a tournament

Alongside perish trap support…

[foggy lodge]

tf does underestimating mean i don't think we are on the same page

[rustic mountain]

well it also won worlds i just mean like how are we underestimating it?

[solid frigate]

I don’t think anyone is underestimating it anyway

[dapper crag]

I am not seeing enough ppl talking about it tho

[rustic mountain]

if they were, not anymore

[foggy lodge]

what are we gonna talk about lorb korai

guys did you all see the super innovative lorb korai that was created like half year ago

[stone trellis]

We know Koraidon has insane damage output and that setting up the sun is really important in this meta.

[rustic mountain]

i think itd b mentioned more if we were still doin reg i, reg h is wat most ppl are playing here tho

[dapper crag]

Oh

[stone trellis]

I still play Reg J, but I'm more of a Miraidon guy.

I wish I could actually get a scenario where Ice Rider can sit next to Iron Valiant and get off free Coaching boosts, but I never feel like that's the best bring to a match.

I just realised Incineroar was on Wolfey's Toronto team, it just didn't run any Fire moves.

@dapper crag You were right about using Incin, I might be dumb.

[cyan smelt]

What moves did it run

[chrome knot]

was partially a rain team why would he😭

knock parting fake out protect

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that.

So the FWG is complete.

Technically with two Ws.

[dapper crag]

Glad I could help

[stone trellis]

If the team ends up winning the next GC (in my dreams), I'll be grateful to you forever.

[cyan smelt]

Be interested to see how barraskewda does

[foggy lodge]

Perish trap without Incin sounds criminal

[dapper crag]

Fingers crossed

[foggy lodge]

And wolfey without incin even more criminal

[stone trellis]

Half of my team is the same Pokemon as Wolfey's Toronto team, holy shit.

[foggy lodge]

which half

[dapper crag]

There’s a reason the guy keeps getting high placements/wins

[stone trellis]

Incin, Politoed and Arch.

[stone trellis]

Politoed and Incin are quite similar, but Archaludon's AV Stamina instead of Power Herb Sturdy.

[foggy lodge]

ngl politoed feels like just a budget pelipper most of the time

[dapper crag]

Very true

[foggy lodge]

it was only used on wolfey's team cuz perish

[forest arrow]

It is, the flying coverage is way better

[foggy lodge]

It has haze atleast

For the dozo and volcarona MUs

[forest arrow]

yeah you can give it that I suppose

[stone trellis]

I can use Pelipper as even more anti-Rilla tech too, I guess.

I just don't vibe with Sash.

[dapper crag]

Do you really need that much rilla assurance

[forest arrow]

Bulk + cloak

[stone trellis]

Bet.

[foggy lodge]

Erizabeth used goggles pelipper

[stone trellis]

My main offensive piece is weak to Rillaboom, I kind of need to be certain that it won't pose a threat.

[forest arrow]

True yeah erizabeth uses goggles so that’s also an option

[foggy lodge]

Nuke with lorb!

[forest arrow]

LORB peli?

[foggy lodge]

I love lorb pelipper so much

[forest arrow]

Bros cooking

[dapper crag]

Unorthodox

[stone trellis]

I don't need the extra offense, but bet.

[foggy lodge]

Yuta used it at worlds

But it was better for that meta

Because it was with CIR so it could play in TR

[forest arrow]

It may help honestly into the AV Rilla that can probably take 2 hurricanes

Chec some calcs

[stone trellis]

252+ SpA Life Orb Tera Stellar Pelipper Hurricane vs. 244 HP / 220 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 203-239 (98.5 - 116%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

Does AV Rilla even run that much bulk in Reg H?

[foggy lodge]

No

[stone trellis]

What's the upper limit?

[foggy lodge]

Pretty sure that's a reg G spread

[stone trellis]

I used the Reg I spread because I couldn't be fucked to look for Reg H ones.

[dapper crag]

I would like to see more volcarona usage

Which probably wont happen

[stone trellis]

Volcarona is kinda cracked, you just need to find the right set for it.

[dense latch]

it's used a lot wdym

[foggy lodge]

Volc is like top 10 pokemon rn what

[dapper crag]

I had a set with fiery dance and rage powder

[dapper crag]

Since WHEN

[stone trellis]

It was great in Reg I and it's arguably even better in H.

[foggy lodge]

It reached even like top 6 at regionals like what

[stone trellis]

I think I shouldn't even worry about AV Rilla that much.

I can make Pelipper just strong enough to OHKO Amoonguss.

252+ SpA Life Orb Pelipper Hurricane vs. 244 HP / 76+ SpD Amoonguss: 218-257 (99 - 116.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

Do I even need an offensive Tera at that point?

[dapper crag]

Keep in mind they might defensive tera their amoonguss/rilla

[foggy lodge]

Go tera grass if you go lorb

[stone trellis]

Keep in mind, no single type resists both Flying and Water.

And being neutral into Choice Band Barraskewda inside of rain is slightly suicidal.

So I just need one final team member.

[foggy lodge]

Amoonguss

[stone trellis]

Another Grass type? Bet.

[foggy lodge]

what was the other grass type

[stone trellis]

Tsareena to block Grassy Glide.

[foggy lodge]

I know its incin pelipper archa barraskewda rn

[dapper crag]

Sinistcha

Great support mon

[stone trellis]

Why another Grass type when Maushold is right there?

I can proc Stamina with Population Bomb, I'm so fucking dumb.

And it redirects Grassy Glide anyway.

[rustic mountain]

[stone trellis]

I just need one last move on it.

Pop Bomb, Follow Me, Protect and what else?

Feint?

[solid frigate]

Oh god

They’re screaming

In Horror

[red willow]

Taunt is p good

[stone trellis]

They saw the Choice Band Skewda calcs in rain.

Oh yeah, it gets Taunt.

Do I go max HP/max Speed?

[red willow]

Not a maus player myself just have been taunted by them before and was p annoying lmao

But if youre playing it support mainly Id say thatd prolly be the way to go generally unless theres some niche stuff a def/sp def investment of some kind lets you live

[stone trellis]

Tera Ghost?

Here's the absolute abomination I cooked up.
https://pokepast.es/b6ab2ed731ac1b38

[red willow]

Huh just saw it gets encore as well so that may be worth considering too

[stone trellis]

Bet.

[stone trellis]

Which song is better for Ice Rider, the Putin song by Bad History or Asgore's theme?

[tiny karma]

[Latest Gen] Scrafty

Parting Shot:

• Scrafty does not learn Parting Shot in Generation 9

Sableye version 4.28.4

[Latest Gen] Scrafty

U-turn:

• Scrafty does not learn U-turn in Generation 9

Sableye version 4.28.4

[foggy lodge]

lmfao

[rustic mountain]

[short quiver]

what

[short quiver]

what (x2)

[shadow wind]

Is anyone elses discord just like blowing up right now?

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[stone trellis]

Mine was alright.

@foggy lodge Do you live in North America?

[foggy lodge]

No

[stone trellis]

So it wasn't just American servers blowing up.

[short quiver]

🫠

[stone trellis]

My Discord was fine, this server was just unavailable.

[short quiver]

my discord was fine except this server and the infinite fusion server

[foggy lodge]

This servers was unavailable for a while and then discord died for like 5 minutes

[knotty mirage]

So discord was down after all damn

[forest arrow]

At first I couldn’t access servers but once servers came back I couldn’t join VCs for a minute but I think it’s all good now

[calm spindle]

who is the most notable mon that uses taunt and who is the mon that most commonly gats taunted in vgc? please. i'm making a meme

[foggy lodge]

Prolly tornadus and amoonguss

[calm spindle]

okay tyvm!!!

[solid frigate]

classic skraw

[next stump]

https://x.com/itslikecrackyo/status/1965092934891831623?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Bailey Max (@itslikecrackyo)

Hello! Since there is no official ranked ladder, I decided to create a Google Cal to help keep track of all Reg H tours popping up, including mine. If you're interested in adding your tours to this hub, please shoot me a DM and I'll add you https://t.co/59jNCOwrrD (1/2)

X · Sep 8, 2025, 4:40 PM

do we have anyone playing monterrey or frankfurt here?

[calm spindle]

olivia newTAUNT-john for tonadus and uh... what's a funny name for john travolta that involves amoongus

[solid frigate]

What-

[calm spindle]

making a shitpost

[rustic mountain]

any1 figure out who got #1 for the gc?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

An Italian player

[calm spindle]

olivia newTAUNT-john for tonadus and uh... man i got nothing. oc

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/DeivVGC/status/1964947349832454425

Hahadeiv (@DeivVGC)

Finally won something

X · Sep 8, 2025, 7:02 AM

[foggy lodge]

Lmfao

[rustic mountain]

wow so specific

[foggy lodge]

Davide Fazio specifically

He got top 16 at EUIC the last year

[solid frigate]

Welp I lost all my teams thanks to Opera Being shitty as usual

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to treeco.

[rustic mountain]

free rep

[rustic mountain]

gotcha

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-kamen-rider-w-tokusatsu-die-meme-gif-17630707254793344547

[rustic mountain]

[woven pelican]

a Kamen Rider meme? In MY #competitive_discussion?

[solid frigate]

Weirdly I have nostalgia over that

[rustic mountain]

first team i face in reg j and they dont even bring arceus

[foggy lodge]

why are you playing that tree

[rustic mountain]

hopped on to claim shiny ting lu figured why not, gna b playing some of it for fun anyway

[woven pelican]

oh shit

[solid frigate]

Yup

I have that original

[foggy lodge]

FUN???

[rustic mountain]

haha using my shiny shaymin and darkrai in ranked? id say that could b fun

shiny meloetta shiny keldeo

oh wait i dont think i completed the swsh dex for that reward yet

[forest arrow]

Fun isn’t allowed here

/j

[bold geode]

Rep farming smh

[rustic mountain]

i do still wish we had reg h on cart

outside irl events

[forest arrow]

Same bro

[rustic mountain]

just beat ho oh mirai w/ just zama

[modern cliff]

Would anyone help me?

[shadow wind]

What format are you playing?

[shadow wind]

Are you still a Zama CSR gamer?

[shadow wind]

I think about XC2 daily

[solid frigate]

the funny thing is that they aren't talking about XC2 lol

[shadow wind]

Are they talking about Silk song?

[solid frigate]

i don't think Silksong has something remotely called Elysium

[shadow wind]

Well I'm not spoiling anything so if they weren't I won't say anything more

[rustic mountain]

to get to mball yea, im gna swap to using mythicals now wen i do wind up playing

not like its gna b a ton of reg j games, prolly just a handful w/ each shiny mythical

[waxen dock]

Why didnt i get the cp from gc?

[shadow wind]

I mean when's the next time you'll be able to get a rank master ribbon on em

[modern cliff]

Could anyone help me build two teams one for av and ss

@rustic mountain

[modern cliff]

Would you be able to help me?

[dapper crag]

What reg is this

[modern cliff]

I kind of stopped playing my switch for a couple of months so I don’t know but what other types do I need

[dapper crag]

Well are you building it for Regulation H

Or are you not gonna play comp

[modern cliff]

Both

[dapper crag]

Erm okay

Doubles right

[modern cliff]

Singles

[dapper crag]

Oh idk Im a doubles player

[modern cliff]

Oh ok

[cyan smelt]

Try Smogon server

[modern cliff]

I updated it just need one more

[dapper crag]

Maushold

[shadow wind]

If it's singles what format?

Cause I doubt Urshifu is OU

And those mons would explode in Ubers

Not to mention the lack of hazards or a method of removal

[modern cliff]

I’m picking mons I like

[shadow wind]

Not to rain on your parade but have fun losing 90% of games then

[modern cliff]

Ik that I’m looking for one more pokemon

[shadow wind]

You could add a pokemon with a BST of 1200 and that team is still not viable

[modern cliff]

What type would i need?

[shadow wind]

Judging by this probably a flying type or at least something with levitate

[modern cliff]

It’s water one not dark

[modern cliff]

So what would be a good flying type that’s not a legendary

[waxen dock]

Maybe dnite or salamance

[modern cliff]

I have a dragon type

[shadow wind]

Why not a legendary?

[modern cliff]

I’m trying to have fun

And I have allready have 1

[shadow wind]

Why are legendaries not fun?

[waxen dock]

Ursh is banned

[shadow wind]

I have the most fun when using legendaries

[shadow wind]

Not in Ubers !!

[woven pelican]

bans urshifu in Ubers

urshifu can no longer use Uber, it must wave down taxis now

[modern cliff]

It’s not that fun when you have a full team of them

[shadow wind]

Dude

[woven pelican]

you. you don't need a full team
just use 1

or 2

[shadow wind]

Where are you even planning on playing games?

[modern cliff]

Sv and ss so I need two teams

[shadow wind]

Sv?

[rustic mountain]

got a shiny bellsprout incase mega victrebell turns out good

[shadow wind]

Like the in game ladder that has mythicals?

[shadow wind]

Foreshadowing a bandwagon is crazy work

[modern cliff]

You should know the games

[woven pelican]

you're asking for help from people who play both viably and for fun, so i don't think the ideals are gonna intertwine here

[modern cliff]

Oh ok sorry

[shadow wind]

I mean you can have fun and still have a viable team

[woven pelican]

I mean it's legitimate advice that's being dished out by connor, if you aren't gonna take it idk what you want from us

[shadow wind]

But making a team off of just "These are my favourites" is going to be hard

[rustic mountain]

newer mons tend to b pretty strong, wouldnt be surprised if it wound up getting that new gen treatment

[shadow wind]

New toy syndrome 😔

Both worlds being won by the bikes

Can't wait for Gen 10 where Groudon is better than Koraidon 🙏

[rustic mountain]

new toy syndrome indicates the new toys arent strong

[shadow wind]

This is true

[modern cliff]

What type would I need ?

[woven pelican]

you. you were told to get a flying type earlier, and given options(dragonite and salamence) but you didn't take them so if you wanna fuck around or something, idk bravebird staraptor or something

clearly what's viable doesn't matter to you if it isn't your favorite so you might as well go stupid go crazy and use an early route bird

[modern cliff]

From my standpoint I was thinking if I had to many dragons wouldn’t it be trouble facing fairy’s?

[shadow wind]

Corviknight

[woven pelican]

it's only 2 dragons on your team if you add dnite OR mence
plus your goodra takes neutral dmg since it's part steel

or corviknight, works too yea

[modern cliff]

Never mind I forgot about the steel type

[woven pelican]

plus if you give goodra a steel move you can also use that steel move against the fairy so

I see nothing wrong with adding just 1 more dragon

[modern cliff]

First time using it outside its main game

What moves would you give mence

[shadow wind]

Hurricane, Dragon tail, Flamethrower, Roost

[modern cliff]

Doesn’t he has higher attack

[shadow wind]

He has stronger special moves and his special attack is honestly not that much lower than his attack stat so it's reasonable

But if you want to make your own set be my guest

[modern cliff]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• U-turn
• Ice Spinner

Armarouge
Ability: Weak Armor
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Armor Cannon
• Energy Ball
• Psyshock
• Calm Mind

Mamoswine
Ability: Thick Fat
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Earthquake
• Ice Shard
• Icicle Crash
• Knock Off

Goodra-Hisui
Ability: Sap Sipper
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Draco Meteor
• Flash Cannon
• Chilling Water
• Ice Beam

Jolteon
Ability: Volt Absorb
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Thunderbolt
• Volt Switch
• Shadow Ball
• Alluring Voice

Salamence
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Dual Wingbeat
• Outrage
• Earthquake
• Psychic Fangs

[shadow wind]

Me when no paste 😔

[modern cliff]

I kind of forgot the way to do it with the pictures

[shadow wind]

I mean it's a link but sure

[modern cliff]

https://pokepast.es/8e70e6ab3a9dbb9d

How is it

[dapper crag]

Salamence is wild

But hey what do I know

[modern cliff]

What you mean?

You would change the psyc move?

[solid frigate]

Is it singles btw

[modern cliff]

Yea

[solid frigate]

You can technically run a dragon dance set for Salamence

[stone trellis]

It's in the top 5 best anti-Sneasler tools.

Give my man Double Hit so he can cook Sneasler in Champions too.

[tiny karma]

Move: Double Hit

Hits twice. If the first hit breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the second hit.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

35

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Targets

Any adjacent Pokémon

Introduced

Generation 4

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[cyan smelt]

i'm keen to try barraskewda

[stone trellis]

Didn't I send you the completed team paste yesterday?

[cyan smelt]

no you sent me through 4

[stone trellis]

There are two versions, one with Incineroar and one with Eviolite Scrafty.

One second.

@cyan smelt Go to DMs.

[cyan smelt]

saw it ty

[stone trellis]

You're welcome.

[solid frigate]

Mega Mence goes hard

[modern cliff]

How good is gliscor? Should I use him instead of the dragon?

[solid frigate]

For Stall it’s good cuz toxic Orb stuff,but like for Offense it is quite mid

For single perspective obviously

[modern cliff]

What about the dlc that has double battles?

[solid frigate]

Stall Gliscor is horrible in doubles

Especially DLC uses a lot of inspiration from VGC

(just look at Kieran’s Team that guy has Incineroar)

[modern cliff]

Ok

[stone trellis]

Updated my team's paste.
https://pokepast.es/d5716abedaf05ba6

Can rentals be used in GCs too or nah?

[solid frigate]

You can’t use rentals there

You have to build it from scratch

[stone trellis]

Aight.

If you could, I was going to provide a rental for it in case someone wanted to use it.

[stone trellis]

Breaking through DozoGiri is so fucking satisfying, man.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2438137547

[dapper crag]

Omg I love sneasler

Its like

A garunteed status condition every time it moves

[waxen dock]

how much time does it take to the pokemon leaderboard to show the points that i got from gc?

[somber snow]

Is anyone able to help me... I'm struggling like crazy...

[waxen dock]

what happend?

[somber snow]

I just can't get my team to master.... I just suck.

[waxen dock]

so how do you want me to help you?

[somber snow]

I am streaming my tries... but sadly no one in my chat knows battling...

[waxen dock]

send me link maybe i can help

wait i dont think i can

but i think maybe try a diffrent team

maybe use a reg i team

[somber snow]

I have tried coping other people's teams and it only works for them not me

[somber snow]

Sent the link it's fine if you can't... I'm just getting frustrated with the game... they hit 80% 5 times and I miss two 90%s... it even forced me to change from overheat to flamethrower

[waxen dock]

THIS IS SINGLES

[somber snow]

Yer

[waxen dock]

i dont play bss

[somber snow]

Ohhh I see. Just wanted to get the stupid ribbon on my mythical pokemon

[waxen dock]

if it was vgc i could have helped you

sorry

[somber snow]

It's all good... I don't think pikachu can make it in doubles

[knotty mirage]

I mean you don't really need too send the pokemon to the battle to get the master rank ribbon just have the pokemon on the team

So just makes a team that still work with 4 or 5 pokemon

[somber snow]

That is what I did... Still not working really

[knotty mirage]

What tier youre currently on anyway

[waxen dock]

he is on ultra

[somber snow]

By only sheer luck

[grizzled ruin]

Reminder running lil fun for those wanting to fine tune tonight 8pm-10:59pmest reg h 15 battle tour

[magic sierra]

Hi, I'm at a loss for what to use in the last two spots. I really wanted to uses Ninetales-A. Any advice other than 'don't use it'?
It's for single battles.

https://pokepast.es/d7f700860069496c

[dapper crag]

Sneasler

[tribal vortex]

Hope you don't have to Tera Clodsire. That black Sludge is gonna backfire

[magic sierra]

I only had to once, tbf. Corvi is holding the leftovers 😔. And let's be real, if my wincon is Clodsire, something went horribly wrong

[magic sierra]

I imagine that is with Indeedee/Miraidon with seeds?

[tribal vortex]

I mean, Curse Sire can be used for some funny shenanigans if you built it bulky enough

[real prairie]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2438208326-t4m823k8lasfwng7tjcyedulkcjli0jpw

Didn't matter my arse

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/VGCdata/status/1965086836285698458

VGC Data (@VGCdata)

🏆 2026 Grand Challenge I Top 8 Players
👇

X · Sep 8, 2025, 4:16 PM

[red willow]

Do you have to have twitter to see the data? It just has a finger emoji pointing down for me lmao

And then when you click comments it sends a prompt to create an account?

Weird lol you used to be able to lurk posts on there

[real prairie]

genuinely think I played all of the recognisable ones on my climb 🤣 Which is funny considering i sucked ass this GC

on a positive note, im 10-0 with this atm: https://pokepast.es/2c847fcd58159d73

[manic vapor]

does overworld killing with the R button increase EVs?

[real prairie]

no

dont believe it does

[dapper crag]

That’s a good question

[solid frigate]

Depend what team is your Sneasler in

You can run Psychic seed on Psyspam Teams or grassy seed for Balance Teams

You can also run White Herb for teams you don’t want Rilla Or Indeedee

[magic sierra]

Tbh, I just want to use ninetales because I like it ;-;

[solid frigate]

It’s usually doubles here but you can still run Blizzard set and make it offensive I suppose

But if you want to see Usage and stuff that A9 run in Singles you can use Munchstats

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[stone trellis]

I've only been statused twice by Sneasler.

Both times, it poisoned my Garchomp.

Then Chompy hit four crits in a row.

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-sinister-malevolent-evil-gif-15342583514003527998

[solid frigate]

garchomp decided to lock in

[dapper crag]

Its exactly as the prophecy foretold

[stone trellis]

Garchomp has always been a reliable partner.

He beat the shit out of Geeta and he's won me games on the GC.

GOAT 2 and GOAT 4 live up to their names.

[bold geode]

Im counter teaming you now get fucked

[waxen dock]

dollarmonkey do you know how much time does it take to the leaderboard to update?

the cp leaderboard

[chilly anvil]

How cooked is this Dawn Wings?

[polar canyon]

Why you doing dawn wings and not raw lunala

[chilly anvil]

I mean I can go for a normal one.
I just wanted to have both Necrozma Dawn Wings and Dusk Mane

[polar canyon]

You can't

They'd both be necrozma and that's same species rule

[solid frigate]

It’s labelled as both Necrozma
Same with Both Horses and Kyurem

[chilly anvil]

Just to collect them in my inventory but I wanted to have one that is built already for dawn wings

[polar canyon]

Oh so you're just collecting?

[chilly anvil]

Yes but I sometimes like to use them in competitive

[polar canyon]

Stats don't really matter if you're not actually planning on using it much

[chilly anvil]

I have a built Dusk Mane already

[polar canyon]

In competitive just lunala is generally better

[chilly anvil]

aight I see

[solid frigate]

Lunala>Dawn Wings Necrozma>Solgaleo>Dusk Mane Necrozma

[polar canyon]

Slightly lower offensive stats than dawn wings but with the upsides of shadow shield and better moveset

[chilly anvil]

honestly I don't use top meta anyways, I'm trying to use mons I like

[chilly anvil]

Yeah shadow shield is pretty good

[polar canyon]

Shadow shield is just multiscale and multiscale on a ghost type is too good to pass up on

[solid frigate]

Man not another Karen Victim

[polar canyon]

Not broken by fake out

[chilly anvil]

like build a team around my favorite

[polar canyon]

I think that's fine to do

Usually trying to build a team of several favorites at once is what gets people

Don't expect it to be as good as meta teams tho

[chilly anvil]

I'm trying to build a team around Ho-Oh.
I know it's not a top meta pick but I want the best team I can make

[polar canyon]

Oh that's feasible

There was a ho-oh team going around in the world championship this year

[solid frigate]

The Phoenix is a anti meta pick lmao

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-alert-ho-oh-ho-oh-bird-pokemon-bird-gif-10790323810094488443

[chilly anvil]

Sacred Fire spam is fun ngl

Scaring physical attackers into tera fire

[polar canyon]

Good mu into koraidon, zamazenta

Cir

It's a situational bird but right now is the correct situation

[chilly anvil]

You basically ruin Zamazenta, Zacian and Koraidon's day

[waxen dock]

Also csr since it has very good spd

[solid frigate]

You mostly run Ho-Oh with Miraidon and Koraidon anyway

You just need something against Kyogre

[polar canyon]

I didn't wanna say csr because that's what knocked ho-oh out of worlds lol

One shot by a +3 csr

[waxen dock]

+3

[solid frigate]

Tbf that’s +3

[waxen dock]

+2 koraidon kills it too

[chilly anvil]

Koraidon is kinda goated against Kyogre

[polar canyon]

Kyogre is also kinda goated against koraidon it works for both ends

[chilly anvil]

yeah, if it is choice scarf it's not gonna be fun

but you can just throw Koraidon in, threat with U-turn and have sun up

[polar canyon]

The same way if you have koraidon out and kyogre is not, you're threatened by it just switching in

Weather gameplay

[solid frigate]

Usually is on Koraidon’s Favour but yes it can be a 50/50

Just depend on the team

[polar canyon]

Eh you could say koraidon still gets fighting moves but in the same way you can switch koraidon in and it gets ice beamed so idk

Also threatened by torn in kyogre teams

[chilly anvil]

Usually an opening I like is Ho-Oh Inceniroar

You get to fake out one and go with Tailwind

[polar canyon]

Is it a fast incineroar?

[chilly anvil]

not rly, I should train it to be a bit faster so I can also outspeed Koraidon and Miraidon inside a tailwind

[polar canyon]

Ho-oh probably accounts pretty well for magearna if you're building for reg j

[chilly anvil]

Ho-Oh with Miraidon scares Magearna

They usually tera water

[polar canyon]

My favorite way to do it is bait shadow claw into protect csr and spore magearna with bonnet

Bonnet has more hp than ape so it lives final gambit if they don't lock into shadow claw

[chilly anvil]

Funniest thing happened to me is being saved by a double protect

was in a trick room and already used protect with my Ho-Oh and it was a 2v3 (not in my favor) and it was last turn of trick room

I knew that if I did anything other than protect I will lose but I protected already, so I went for another protect and got lucky and that way I stalled the trick room and then just took everything down

[real prairie]

I still continue to learn new things about this game... https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2438289542

[waxen dock]

he ran out of sucker pp

so why would it work

[real prairie]

Yep, thought it'd force a struggle but it just failed

[waxen dock]

you cant encore struggle

then it would be broken

[real prairie]

No I encore sucker punch to force a struggle

But obviously not

[stone trellis]

The fucker did it.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2438332753

Iron Valiant finally got to rip Coaching next to Icy.

So Tornadus remains as the only member of my team who hasn't done anything.

[stone trellis]

LAIC's happening already?

[next stump]

I think it’s early november

[real prairie]

Just me or does his team look like a decent reg H team?

[short quiver]

yeah kinda

[stone trellis]

All it needs is a proper rain abuser.

Also, that motherfucking PorygonZ made my life 10 times harder.

Can anything on his team use Protect?

[short quiver]

i think grimmsnarl had it?

i think?

[short quiver]

DAWG THAT PORYGON MADE ME MAD

[stone trellis]

I brought the wrong Ogerpon variant too.

Cornerstone would've bitched Dnite turn 1 and my life would've been a million times easier.

[short quiver]

i brought firepon and still whooped dnite

to be fair i had playrough meowscarada so that dnite was cooked

[stone trellis]

"Dance if your the GOAT"
Hearthflame:

[short quiver]

i love that he goes back to being an uwu twink after we take terapagos from him

[stone trellis]

We didn't "take" anything.

He didn't own Terapagos.

[short quiver]

he masterballed it

[stone trellis]

And it broke out.

It's not his if it doesn't want to go back into the ball.

[short quiver]

and then proceeded to nearly cave in the cavern

[stone trellis]

My favorite thing to fight against is DozoGiri.

[short quiver]

yk the dragon guy in the dlc

my favorite fight was his elite 4 trial

where we had to use random mons in the terrarium to beat his trial trainers

that was fun

[dapper crag]

No that was not fun

What was fun was beating Kieran and watching him have a melt down because of it

[short quiver]

i had so much fun with it lmao

[short quiver]

true

[dapper crag]

See glad other people could see it

[short quiver]

i still really liked the dragon guys trial

having to improvise with random mons was fun

i beta the trainers with a beartic and a zebstrika btw

and whimsicott and porygon. just porygon.

those were the only 4 mons i used for his trial

not a single mon on kierans team has protect

wtf is this

what do you guys think happened to his yanmega from the first dlc

[tribal vortex]

Threw it away after we threw a pebble at it and it died

[strange fjord]

maybe traded it for a PZ

[tribal vortex]

I do like his team idea until I saw the moves

[foggy lodge]

Brick break Incin and expert belt Dnite

[tribal vortex]

Dude be running mixed Dragonite that immediately gets shut down if you get rid of the rain.

[short quiver]

i will say hyperbeam lorb porygon wrecked half my team

[tribal vortex]

Adaptability Porygon Z be carrying his team hard

[short quiver]

it really did carry him

[tribal vortex]

Gotta love how Incineroar is Flare Blitz in the rain

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 474: Porygon-Z

Type

Normal

Abilities

Adaptability, Download, Analytic (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/80/70/135/75/90

Total

535

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

hey ive seen these stats somewhere before

135 base SpA adaptability lorb hyperbeam

no wonder my mons would drop to that

[tribal vortex]

I just went for a oneshot. Ain't no way I'm letting a Porygon Z stay on the field

[short quiver]

i think porygon z should have been his ace instead of hydrapple

[tribal vortex]

I mean, they were going for the new mons. Makes a little bit of sense with the hydra as he probably evolved it in Kitakami and then, brought it to the academy

[short quiver]

well he flopped it

porygon carried tf outta him

that porygon was also the only mon i was scared of anyways

[tribal vortex]

It wasn't too bad of an ace. Decent stats and it can make good use of Gyro Ball with its low speed stat

Incineroar is just there to plug in Wolfe merchandise

[short quiver]

well i was gonna destroy it anyways my meowscarada clicked play rough. so dragon or fighting its still eating a choice banded play rough

(the hydrapple i mean)

[tribal vortex]

Been funnier if the hydrapple was quick claw

[short quiver]

meowscarada would already have been a fairy type so the tera fighting tera blast woulda been breakfast

cuz i used play rough to remove dnite and eventually porygon as well

[tribal vortex]

Quick Claw gyro ball. New meta

[short quiver]

would that even work??

wouldnt the quick claw like nullify all of gyro balls damage

is hyperbeam even good competitively? ive seen it on a total of 2 pokemon

Porygon and Sylveon

[tribal vortex]

It's based on your base speed difference. Quick Claw just gives you a chance to move before the opponent

[strange fjord]

gyro ball damage is based on speed difference between the two pokemon. quick claw would move the order in which the Pokemon attacked, unaffecting the speed stat.

[short quiver]

meowscarada tanks those

(i had a sinistcha to keep meow and ogerpon healthy)

Yes, I had three grass types

actually i had 4 cuz i also had my whimsicott by then

[next stump]

only ever seen it on specs sylveon

[solid frigate]

we ignore turtle

[foggy lodge]

Hyper beam pagos is just for the funsies

[solid frigate]

pagos is just doing the rayquaza impresssion

[stone trellis]

He will never be Rayquaza.

[short quiver]

HYPER BEAM TERAPAGOS???

AW HELL NAW

[stone trellis]

Mega Rayquaza and Terapagos have been legal for two years. In those two years, Rayquaza became a world champion and an international champion (in the Masters division obviously). In that same time, Terapagos got... Oh, what's that? Zero tournament wins?

[short quiver]

mega ray ray has been banned since 2019 when SWSH vgc started

[stone trellis]

2020, but I know.

[short quiver]

and yeah terapagos has not had anywins

its a good mon but its unfortunately easy to deal with

[stone trellis]

Terapagos WISHES it was anywhere as good as Mega Ray.

[short quiver]

terapagos is bulky but like

its so weak 😭

[stone trellis]

I'll actually go look up tournament results in all divisions to compare the two.

[tiny karma]

[Latest Gen] Calyrex-Ice

Horn Leech:

• Calyrex-Ice does not learn Horn Leech in Generation 9

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

ofc not

BUT IT HAS A FUCKING HORN 😭

[tiny karma]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/calyrex-ice.gif

[short quiver]

it literally has a horn

[real prairie]

wish i got this lucky when i bought lottery tickets 🤣 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2438504278

[real prairie]

Im confused, can i attend Lille and B'ham or not?

oh wait, that means only one of TCG, VGC or Go

shat myself for a second

[short quiver]

chat is showdown down rn

[next stump]

LOL thought the same thing a while back myself

[real prairie]

back now

[short quiver]

okay so it was

i thought my phone was being stupid again at first

[real prairie]

yeah went down for like 5 mins

[tiny karma]

Move: Hydro Steam

If the current weather is Sunny Day and the user is not holding Utility Umbrella, this move's damage is multiplied by 1.5 instead of halved for being Water type.

Type

Water

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Defrost

Thaws the user if frozen.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2438538601

[digital plover]

Will stat increases still work on contrary pokemon holding clear amulet.

[stone trellis]

Why wouldn't they?

Unless you mean something like Coaching or Decorate, where they drop the partner's stats if they have Contrary.

[short quiver]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2438554622-8n4c1majwm4npiljekljpqaistamb6tpw

gang thought this was reg H 💀

[polar canyon]

It's been a thing

I mean tera starstorm loses normal stab because it turns stellar type on terapagos terastal

Hyper beam stays stab + a tera boost on a 130 spatk mon

It's just burst damage especially in a situation where you might expect pagos to die the next turn anyways

I kinda wanna try hyper beam sylveon again in reg h this time

Tried using it way back in the year 1 old regs

To mixed results but I think I was much worse at the game

[short quiver]

i wanna try it

[polar canyon]

Changed your mind fast

I'm just saying why hyper beam is an option but at the end of the day you're still playing midpagos

[short quiver]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2438562230

[short quiver]

i mean it sounds incredibly stupid

but i wanna try it

tera stellar boosted stab 130 base SpA 150 base power normal move

[short quiver]

i am very pleased with my results with Scaleshot so far

[polar canyon]

I was really hoping you were using koraidon scale shot and I wouldn't see a scale shot kyurem

Glad you didn't disappoint

[short quiver]

yes its korai scale shot

would kyurem black scaleshot even like

work

[short quiver]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2438595831

interesting team

[short quiver]

oh also behold the worlds first max speed jolly calyrex ice

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2438595831

[polar canyon]

Pretty cool

[short quiver]

rule no. 1 of coding

if its not broke dont fix it

its funny that i chose to lead that the one time i go against a mew tryinna cheese me

[polar canyon]

What's this got to do with coding

True tho

Well I break it all the time

If it can be optimized try it

[short quiver]

cuz its not broken

so theres nothing to fix 🙂

[polar canyon]

Calyrex is in fact the most broken pokemon

[short quiver]

mmmmm idk about that

i need a way to get these fuckin incins to stop knocking off my loaded dice

its very annoying

[foggy lodge]

put glue on your loaded dice

[short quiver]

real 😔

[dense latch]

but then how do you roll it

[short quiver]

😭

[polar canyon]

Loaded dice as a physical item concept sounds so goofy in practice because who rigs a 6 sided dice to land on 4 or 5 instead of 6

We coulda had guaranteed 6 hit multi hit moves fr

[foggy lodge]

I don't want to live in a regulation of 6 hits scale shot dnite

150 BP move

[short quiver]

koraidon exists and you’re scared of dnite? 😭

[rustic mountain]

no koraidon in reg h dude

[short quiver]

we dk if either of them will be legal in gen 10 either

[rustic mountain]

im jus clarifying in regards to wat u responded to originally

id imagine both will b legal in gen 10, dnite is usually always in the regional dex and koraidon will eventually be allowed once restricted formats roll around

cant imagine itd get the xerneas treatment next gen especially w/o tera its significantly worse

[short quiver]

if nothing can tera i think korai will perform just fine

[rustic mountain]

[short quiver]

if nothing can tera then noone has the advantages of it which also means no one has the disadvantage of the opponent having it

[rustic mountain]

i think ur underestimating how bad dragon/fighting is

[dense latch]

koraidon has more significant disadvantages than other mons

heavily loses out both offensively and defensively

[rustic mountain]

even stuff like the horses get worse w/o tera its just a byproduct of having the ability to change ur weakness on the fly or generate more offense and koraidon even w/ its strengths will not be able to keep its viability in the same way it did w/ tera

idt itll be 100% unuseable but i stick by it getting signifcantly worse

[short quiver]

i just got into scale shot koraidon 😨

https://tenor.com/view/you-can't-do-this-to-me-you-know-how-much-i-sacrificed-norman-osborn-spiderman-you-cant-do-this-to-me-gif-17962982899044373025

[rustic mountain]

u got like 4 months of reg j

also just my opinion

[short quiver]

im also still unsure how i feel about ice rider calyrex

[rustic mountain]

in terms of?

[short quiver]

using it

[rustic mountain]

i mean its good, idt ice age is a good restricted duo but its easily a top 5 restricted

[short quiver]

ice age? 😭

ice rider korai?

[rustic mountain]

koraidon + cir yea

[short quiver]

i dont like it

i wish base glastrier was like, at all viable whatsoever

[rustic mountain]

shouldve played swsh

[short quiver]

i couldnt

i was grounded for like 5 years straight

[rustic mountain]

🤨

[short quiver]

i didnt get to play swsh until like 8 months before sv dropped

i mean actually play it

obviously i was able to play before that but thats when i could actually play the damn game

so i wasnt around for swsh comp

base glastrier should have a niche

its such a cool design 😭

calyrex just puts a fucking carrot muncher on its back its so stupid

they took a cool design and made it awful

[short quiver]

also wut dis for

[rustic mountain]

grounded for 5 years?

never heard of that

[short quiver]

i wish i was lying to you 😐

lets just say i dont talk to my parents anymore 👍🏻

[rustic mountain]

damn

maybe glastrier is viable again at some point but yea it just never seemed to have that moment in sv

[short quiver]

😔

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 896: Glastrier

Type

Ice

Abilities

Chilling Neigh

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/145/130/65/110/30

Total

580

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

free my boi

[shadow wind]

I can’t wait for Groudon to be legal again

[waxen dock]

It is legal in reg j

[real prairie]

which sadly isn't the official format

[short quiver]

i can get latias in BDSP???

maybe i do have to play brilliant diamond after all

[real prairie]

@mighty stump

[short quiver]

me but zamazenta instead of groudon

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/no-family-guy-bad-dog-newspaper-peter-gif-8108196576766934699

[short quiver]

what

i like my doggo hes a good boy

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-shield-pokemon-plush-plush-plushie-gif-22905345

<@&663761167176433665>

[cyan smelt]

<@&663761167176433665>

[strange juniper]

ty

[short quiver]

fs

[knotty mirage]

I have question is it possible for full HP blood moon ursa to survive a collision course from adamant scarf koraidon ?

[short quiver]

theres a calc site you can use

[woven pelican]

i mean you could use a calc like mentioned, or if you give me like 10 minutes and the ev spreads i can go home and test it out on showdown

[knotty mirage]

Ah right there the site for that i will check it out later sorry it just i'm kinda pissed like a super effective sun boosted collison course just don't ohko my openent ursa and it just ohko me back with tera normal blood moon

[short quiver]

yeah no one uses collision course anymore for that exact reason

close combat is the more common pick now

[next stump]

if you’re clear amulet I wouldn’t expect it to KO

ursaluna is superrrrr physically bulky

[short quiver]

oh yeah true

[knotty mirage]

It's scarf koraidon

[next stump]

jolly or adamant

[short quiver]

trade collision course for close combat my friend

[knotty mirage]

Adamant

[next stump]

252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course (Super Effective) vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Ursaluna-Bloodmoon: 291-347 (132.8 - 158.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

you must have been intimidated or no sun or something

[knotty mirage]

It's on the sun actually

[short quiver]

or maybe they ran defensive ev points for some reason

[knotty mirage]

Oh wait there grimm

[short quiver]

💀

[next stump]

ah okay yeah that’ll do it

[short quiver]

well that explains it

[knotty mirage]

Ah behind reflect i forgot about that

[waxen dock]

How much time does it take to them ro update the cp leaderboard?

[next stump]

usually a few days but they’re also filtering by region now so it may take longer

[waxen dock]

Cuz i didnt get the cp from gc

And i shouls get

[knotty mirage]

I'm just kinda confused with how collision course on the sun would leave the blood moon at i think 20% HP but right reflect

[short quiver]

seriously trade collision for close combat

[next stump]

252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course (Super Effective) vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Ursaluna-Bloodmoon through Reflect: 194-231 (88.5 - 105.4%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

[knotty mirage]

So low roll

[short quiver]

1/3 chance and lost the roll

🥀

[knotty mirage]

I mean does close combat would even help in this scenario

[short quiver]

behind reflect i genuinely dont think so

it does more damage generally

[knotty mirage]

Welp

[next stump]

252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Close Combat vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Ursaluna-Bloodmoon through Reflect: 176-208 (80.3 - 94.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[short quiver]

yeah didnt think so

[real prairie]

don't forget life orb

[short quiver]

they have scarf

so no lorb boost

[real prairie]

Ah, well that would have done it

[short quiver]

for sure

[real prairie]

the idea it can murder something like BMU through reflect is vile

[short quiver]

theyre also using collision course im trying to tell them to change it to CC

[short quiver]

i mean korai is a restricted legendary it has to be able to do something at least

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/mewtwo-pokemon-cry-sad-gif-21078730

[short quiver]

absolutely nobody cares about mewtwo 😭

(we dont talk about dialga palkia giratina and eternatus either btw)

nor base form glastrier or spectrier

ive seen reshiram succeed ive never seen zekrom succeed

[knotty mirage]

I prefer to use collision course because it will deal more damage to the thing that want to switch in too astral barrage

[short quiver]

????

close combat is more consistent collision course only gets that little extra damage if they’re actually weak to fighting

close combat korai is the king of neutral nukes fr

they also almost always have lorb so theres that too

lorb amulet choice band loaded dice scarf i think

[knotty mirage]

Well i'm not using lorb so there's that

[short quiver]

still

close combat is more consistent

[real prairie]

these aren't restricted tbf

[short quiver]

base horses arent restricted?

[real prairie]

nope

[short quiver]

so its calyrex specifically thats the restricted

and therefore makes the calyrex forms also restricted?

[real prairie]

there was a team a little while ago that had CSR and Glastrier

[real prairie]

Correct

[short quiver]

so i COULD

theoretically

use glastrier

https://tenor.com/view/dob-dob-dob-rizz-black-man-ha-ha-ha-gif-17039177668047803738

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 897: Spectrier

Type

Ghost

Abilities

Grim Neigh

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/65/60/145/80/130

Total

580

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

so a spectral horse. gets outsped by a fucking fish

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 847: Barraskewda

Type

Water

Abilities

Swift Swim, Propeller Tail (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

61/123/60/60/50/136

Total

490

Sableye version 4.28.4

[real prairie]

its a propeller fish tbf lol

Does Triage Heal pulse fail in psychic terrain?

[next stump]

I’m pretty sure you can use increased priority moves on your own ally in psychic terrain

[waxen dock]

did you get your cp points from gc already?

[solid frigate]

You can

[dapper crag]

I would like to bring into attention a very slept on sweeper

Golduck

[real prairie]

interesting

[shadow wind]

What’s that?

[dapper crag]

a boring reg

[shadow wind]

Hmm, never heard of this "Reg J"

[polar canyon]

I don't totally get the hate for reg j it's just reg i but arceus and magearna are there

If you didn't like reg i either then yeah that's understandable

I think it's fine even if hard tr mag teams get a little boring

[real prairie]

If you can't beat them, join them... https://pokepast.es/b0bb9ea6e417f5a0

[livid drift]

Whats a good ev spread for amoongus?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 591: Amoonguss

Types

Grass/Poison

Abilities

Effect Spore, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

114/85/70/85/80/30

Total

464

Sableye version 4.28.4

[real prairie]

depends if you need it special or phsyically bulky

based on what your team is lacking

[livid drift]

Id say physical more needed

[real prairie]

this is my physical bulk set:

Amoonguss @ Iron Ball
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Rage Powder
• Spore
• Pollen Puff
• Protect

if you wanted you could swap Iron ball with Room service, so you outspeed Torkoal in and out of TR

[livid drift]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

evol73 has given 1 Gen Rep to averagejack_yt

[livid drift]

Where's the best place to ev train special defence btw?

[shadow wind]

Zinc

[short quiver]

you can probably do that hp and def with the band items

ub dont do that actually

[shadow wind]

@foggy lodge What was that website that you used to check like teamsheets at regionals?

Like all of em

Never mind I found it, terribly sorry for the ping

[foggy lodge]

Victory road/ top cut explorer/ labmaus

Standings VGC too

[shadow wind]

It was standings vgc

[foggy lodge]

Labmaus is lowkey a better top cut explorer but is so slow on my phone that I don't use it

[shadow wind]

Valid

[short quiver]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2439148780

why did they light screen 💀

i have 2 special attackers gang

[livid drift]

I feel like ive asked this question but idr where is the best place to ev train special defence by beating pokemon?

[shadow wind]

Use PASRS, it tells you how to EV train a team

[livid drift]

Whats pasrs?

[shadow wind]

A spread sheet that tells you a bunch of stats

You can find a copy of it by just looking up PASRS

[livid drift]

Ok thanks

[shadow wind]

Then plug in your paste and there’s an Ev training tab

[tiny karma]

[Latest Gen] Walking Wake

U-turn:

• Walking Wake does not learn U-turn in Generation 9

Sableye version 4.28.4

[shadow wind]

Just use flip turn dog

[stone trellis]

Told him so.

[short quiver]

i wanted to know if it learned uturn first

cuz its in sun so flip turn wont do shit

[shadow wind]

Neither of them doing anything

Wake is a special attacker dog

[short quiver]

i also have grassy terrain so if i do little enough damage they can just heal back

[shadow wind]

The only use case is against water absorb

Like people used u turn Miraidon because of ground types

Then it got banned 😔

[short quiver]

or storm drain suspiciously gastradon shaped creature appears

[stone trellis]

(He's building for VGC)

[shadow wind]

Fast pivot almost never works in VGC

[short quiver]

well its gonna work here trust

[shadow wind]

It works with like

Dragapult and scarf Lando

Oh and Miraidon

But that's due to the 135 speed stat and not the actual mon

It'd be volt switching either way

[short quiver]

im using speed boosted specs walking wake

[stone trellis]

And Urshifu.

[short quiver]

i kinda need the pivot

[shadow wind]

True

Why do you need pivot?

Why can't you just like hard swap

That's an advantage of fast pivot

If worst comes to worst you just hard swap

[short quiver]

so whatchu suggest for slot 4 then

gang what if i just hyperbeam

my options are literally mudshot snarl or hyperbeam

and i do not need snarl iron valiant has spirit break

[dense latch]

snarl is good anyways

it's the best option out of those three for sure

[short quiver]

oh im dumb i already said that

the other move is weatherball which i do not need

[shadow wind]

Hydro Steam
Draco Meteor
Weather ball
Snarl

Or aqua jet over snarl if you're desperate for prio

[short quiver]

im not using weather ball

i have FT

[shadow wind]

Unfortunate

I love weather ball

[short quiver]

i like ft

ft from a water type dropping stuff is so funny to me

[shadow wind]

Weatherball is just so much stronger in so many scenarios

I like when weather ball is my strongest water type option in the rain

[short quiver]

hydro steam still gets rain boosted doesnt it

[shadow wind]

It does yeah

[short quiver]

so why bother with weather ball

[shadow wind]

Cause weather ball is 20 BP stronger

Hydro steam in rain is 120 BP and weather ball is 150 BP

[short quiver]

i’m good I’ll at with flamethrower and Hydro steam

i’ll make note of snarl but i still wanna try hyperbeam

[shadow wind]

Hyperbeam might be the worst option

[short quiver]

specs boosted hyperbeam

😃

[strange fjord]

hyper beam?

[stone trellis]

Get ready for Zamazenta to wall you.

Or worse, get ready for the Lunala MU.

[short quiver]

suspiciously ogerpon shaped creature appears

[shadow wind]

Bro thinks a physical mon is beating Zama

[plush lark]

where can i borrow a team to f around and find out with

[short quiver]

ogerpon nukes zama anyways

[shadow wind]

Right

[short quiver]

ogerpon is fucking strong

[shadow wind]

Not like we're in the generation of tera

[short quiver]

sun boosted ivy cudgel

[shadow wind]

+1 252+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. +1 100 HP / 236+ Def Tera Dragon Zamazenta-Crowned in Sun: 62-73 (34.4 - 40.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[short quiver]

in which case hyperbeam can do it unless its ghost for some reason

[shadow wind]

244 SpA Choice Specs Walking Wake Hyper Beam vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Tera Dragon Zamazenta-Crowned: 93-110 (51.6 - 61.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[plush lark]

where can i find rental teams?

[shadow wind]

Not worth the trade off imo

[shadow wind]

#rental_teams

[short quiver]

#rental_teams is a good start

[strange fjord]

hyper beam? unless you're tera normal, dont even look in that direction

[stone trellis]

Or unless you're Fraudpagos.

[shadow wind]

Draco is stronger anyway