competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

does every calyrex player at that elo just click nasty plot

[shadow wind]

Yes

[molten oasis]

like wtf lmao

[molten oasis]

NOOOO

[shadow wind]

Welp, lemme shake your hand

And lost to a defense boost

Awesome

[molten oasis]

stupid mon

[shadow wind]

And I won

Brev

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2392554755

I think I actually played perfectly

This sucks though

I despise CSR Zama Smeargle even if I can beat them

[molten oasis]

does bro not have psychic lol

you always psychic the ogerpon there

[shadow wind]

Yes !

[molten oasis]

idiot lol

[shadow wind]

Yes !

But what if I spiky'd and trick roomed

[molten oasis]

hm

it was probably 50/50 there

[shadow wind]

Nah you always psychic anyway

There’s like no point

[molten oasis]

yea

[shadow wind]

And I was pretty wide guard happy that game

[karmic needle]

Hey is a lonely nature zacian decent?

I just got it in a beast ball

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2392565988-rchfxa1nfmega1pxqi8xhgvw2gp7apspw

freezeeeeeeeeeeee

[solid frigate]

use Adamant or Jolly

you can use nature mint to change its nature

Lonely decreases Defense which zacian does not like

[karmic needle]

But is it decent atleast

Like should i keep it or soft reset

[opal trout]

Just use an adamant or jolly mint to change it’s nature

[rare pumice]

breaking swipe hits both opponents right?

[karmic needle]

I dont have it

[opal trout]

Yeah

[opal trout]

Buy one

[rare pumice]

thank you

[karmic needle]

Legit just said i caught zacian so you should know i cant buy one right now

[foggy lodge]

It costs like 20k its super cheap😭

[molten oasis]

zac wants adamant or jolly lol

although i think jolly is better

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

[rare pumice]

if you hold a sitrus berry and use shed tail, would the sitrus berry activate before switching out?

[solid frigate]

hold up what are cooking

[molten oasis]

what

oh, the move, yes

[minor panther]

it does i think

but idk why you would use sitrus berry when cyclizar has regenerator

[rare pumice]

I was just wondering I guess

[real prairie]

went 10-2 to 15-7 Y'day, not a happy bunny lol

[torn dew]

https://pokepast.es/a5c8f60e88041952

Is this team good?

[real prairie]

id give something other than just Tornadus taunt because of TR kind of cooks you, but otherwise its well balanced.

[torn dew]

Alr

[solid frigate]

you can use tera steel

on Torn to make yourself resist CIR

Lance at least

[real prairie]

I run tera water to also resist Surging strikes

[torn dew]

Kk

[knotty mirage]

So i want to build a bulky choice scarf miraidon does anyone know how many speed Investment i need too outspeed scarf lando ?

[dense latch]

252 modest landorus is 153 speed

so if you just want to outspeed that you don't need any invest

if you wanna outspeed scarf timid lando and scarf timid chi yu you need at least 169 speed

[knotty mirage]

So 169 speed noted

[real prairie]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CgGA-iSV_fOv1xiD9ePFeRVHxFVCs6gRPsAbH0SqXn4/edit?gid=1537427292#gid=1537427292

[left bobcat]

In a second

[bold geode]

Chat how we doin

[bold geode]

Scarf Lando isn't that common and all of em go Modest

[molten oasis]

are you John VGC now?

[bold geode]

It is I
John VGC

[molten oasis]

lol

[knotty mirage]

I actually see it quite often on cart ladder so just don't want to risk it

Like every kyogre team i see when i play ladder match have scarf lando

[stone trellis]

I was wondering if the Iron Valiant I've put on my team should be Tera Dark or Tera Ghost.

Tera Dark helps it deal with Astral Barrage and Psychic from CSR really well (on top of the Prankster immunity allowing it to be completely unhindered by stuff such as Tornadus), but Tera Ghost helps it deal with Fake Out.

[foggy lodge]

Consider that tera dark keeps your fairy weakness

[stone trellis]

And?

Flutter Mane would be a threat either way.

And if anyone ever decides to run Zacian, I have Volcarona on the team.

Unless they run SwordFish, then I might be screwed.

[foggy lodge]

Then idk do whatever you want😭

[cosmic warren]

John Pokemon

That way it rhymes

[bold geode]

Ghost so you're immune to Fake Out is basically always the way

[stone trellis]

Does that outweigh all the positives of Tera Dark though?

[stone trellis]

Is avoiding Fake Out really more important than avoiding Prankster T-Wave or Encore? Is it more important than surviving a single turn against CSR?

[craggy dagger]

fake out can be worse since valiant is a more fragile mon

[shadow wind]

Especially if you’re sashed

[craggy dagger]

and dark tera doesn’t do much for valiant anyways

[shadow wind]

When clicking wide guard it makes it immune to 2 attack CSR

[craggy dagger]

wide guard is always priority so even if you’re para’d it’ll trigger first

[stone trellis]

It's Booster Energy.

[craggy dagger]

encore isn’t much of a worry for valiant

like what is encore gonna do into valiant-
encore lock wide guard?

[stone trellis]

Or Taunt.

[craggy dagger]

i haven’t seen prankster taunt in a while

[solid frigate]

Tornadus:

[craggy dagger]

if it’s non prio taunt, dark tera does nothing

[craggy dagger]

haven’t seen many torn either

[stone trellis]

No, I meant that Valiant has Taunt and can get locked into it.

[craggy dagger]

…

encore gets more value

[stone trellis]

So should I give it Encore instead?

[craggy dagger]

spirit break, wide guard, encore

mines a coaching set so i add coaching

[stone trellis]

I already had Coaching.

[craggy dagger]

if you want something into shadow rider, you can always add knock off

since booster valiant will outspeed non tailwind shadow rider

but encore is much better than taunt i find

and wide guard kinda solves everything that’s usually trick room

also on a no protect mon with supportive capabilities, it’s better to run tera ghost-
ignores fake out while retaining the speed advantage.
if there’s an opportunity, you can encore the fake out user right after they use fake out

and then that renders that pokemon useless unless they swap

[stone trellis]

Got it.

[craggy dagger]

[stone trellis]

So we have Spirit Break, Coaching, Wide Guard and Encore?

[craggy dagger]

OWIEEEEE

[craggy dagger]

looks good to me

[bold geode]

1. If Valiant gets T Waved, your opponent honestly fucked up
2. Valiant carries Wide Guard for a reason

[bold geode]

[craggy dagger]

i already said that

[bold geode]

I can't read

[craggy dagger]

also even if you’re para, wide guard is priority anyways

so you just need to worry about the para chance

+2 vs +1 on prankster for priority

[craggy dagger]

[stone trellis]

Wide Guard is +3.

[stone trellis]

Follow Me and Rage Powder are +2.

[craggy dagger]

i don’t know my priority brackets lol

i just know that wide guard takes place before prankster

[solid frigate]

Protect/Spiky Shield>>King’s Shield>>Wide Guard>>Follow Me>>Prankster Status

[shadow wind]

Are we just stealing names now ?

Unbelievable

[bold geode]

No
I made this in gen chat fucker

[shadow wind]

No need to be that mean 😭😭

[bold geode]

Nah

[craggy dagger]

be nice idiot

[bold geode]

(I'm actually not a mean guy)

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/shusher-home-captain-smek-gif-16112908977447177811

[craggy dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1021970228609024051/1366966135374741504/twitter_1917093739857907873.gif

gimme a restricted to use

[shadow wind]

The original John will hear about this

[craggy dagger]

i’m starting to lose my niche brain cells

[solid frigate]

Kyogre /j

[stone trellis]

Have you used Rayquaza yet?

[craggy dagger]

i already did that with solgaleo

[craggy dagger]

ooo
good idea

[solid frigate]

i need to fucking farm for Zacian and Zamazenta Go Fest Raids tmr lol

[craggy dagger]

i’m swiping…

[solid frigate]

dont worry i am already swipping

[stone trellis]

Pair it with either CSR or Lunala to deal with the Ghost types that are immune to E-Speed.

[craggy dagger]

raypagos

[bold geode]

Incineroar

[craggy dagger]

[stone trellis]

And add in a good way to deal with Farigiraf.

[solid frigate]

@shadow wind first time gonna rely on Pdon against The legendary dogs

[craggy dagger]

as a zacian player
i’m offended
kindly
fuck you

[shadow wind]

🔥🔥🔥

[bold geode]

as a zacian player
i’m offended
kindly
fuck you - @molten oasis

That was wrong

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

Anyways
Ray Pagos
Now

[solid frigate]

Bro’s ready for the massacre

[craggy dagger]

do you have pblades on it?

[solid frigate]

yeah

[craggy dagger]

damn

[stone trellis]

For what purpose?

[solid frigate]

I just dont have Origin Pulse on POGO Kyogre lmao

[bold geode]

My own amusement

Nova is my entertainment

[stone trellis]

Understood.

[bold geode]

🫡

[craggy dagger]

[stone trellis]

There are two kinds of people who use niche Pokemon.

[stone trellis]

I embody the first and you embody the second.

[tiny karma]

Move: Dragon Tail

If both the user and the target have not fainted, the target is forced to switch out and be replaced with a random unfainted ally. This effect fails if the target used Ingrain previously, has the Suction Cups Ability, or this move hit a substitute.

Type

Dragon

Category

Physical

Power

60

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

-6

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[craggy dagger]

-6…

roar is also -6 right

[stone trellis]

Also, never try saying "Ray Pagos" quickly out loud.

[molten oasis]

Top 10 shit duos of all time

[stone trellis]

Yes.

[chrome knot]

yes

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

Adding that to the list of bad abbreviations....

[bold geode]

[stone trellis]

Aside from Chien-Pao, what else is there?

[bold geode]

Uhhhhhhhhh
Let's not talk about one I'm thinking of

Anyways Pokemon amirite

[chilly anvil]

Is there a good substitute for Raging Bolt?

[dense latch]

pikachu and shit

[tiny karma]

Move: Silk Trap

The user is protected from most attacks made by other Pokemon during this turn, and Pokemon trying to make contact with the user have their Speed lowered by 1 stage. Non-damaging moves go through this protection. This move has a 1/X chance of being successful, where X starts at 1 and triples each time this move is successfully used. X resets to 1 if this move fails, if the user's last move used is not Baneful Bunker, Burning Bulwark, Detect, Endure, King's Shield, Max Guard, Obstruct, Protect, Quick Guard, Silk Trap, Spiky Shield, or Wide Guard, or if it was one of those moves and the user's protection was broken. Fails if the user moves last this turn.

Type

Bug

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

4

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[chilly anvil]

Ain’t no way I’m using Raging Bolt

[craggy dagger]

why?

[bold geode]

Yeah fuckin Charizard use Flamethrower and type shi

[chilly anvil]

It can’t be shiny

[bold geode]

Woops can't sparkle

[chilly anvil]

What can be a substitute for it within Ho Oh teams?

[bold geode]

For this team
I honestly can't tell ya

Maybe Iron Hands? Idfk I honestly can't say

[chilly anvil]

Why can’t they release the shiny already

[bold geode]

No offense but I feel this team is made more to flex shinies than it is for actual competitive viability

Doesn't make sense

[chilly anvil]

Idk I found it on the lab app thingy

[bold geode]

Labmaus?

[chilly anvil]

Yes

[bold geode]

Weird ass team

Anyways, that's really my only suggestion

[solid frigate]

here's your imaginary Sparkle sticker ahh team

[chilly anvil]

Damn I don’t want to break my principles so I can play VGC with actually valid teams

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/08b7e0653b1578e8

[bold geode]

Well you do you then
Thing is idk what actual Mon for sure can replace Bolt

[craggy dagger]

that’s a weird team alright

[molten oasis]

But why

Ray Pagos is not good lol

[craggy dagger]

i do as monke tells me lmao

[cosmic warren]

Ray anything is not good

[bold geode]

That Rayquaza set will keep me up tonight, thx

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to interstellar_latte

[bold geode]

That's the point

[craggy dagger]

i’m being held at gunpoint to make a ray team for monke.
what am i supposed to do

[bold geode]

You keep quiet about that now ma'am

[bold geode]

I am entertained

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

@bold geode are you her dad or something

[bold geode]

No

I'M YOURS

[molten oasis]

Are you holding her hostage

[bold geode]

Hello son

[molten oasis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1380514121459564554/1386460574036131840/image0.gif

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

LET HER GO BRO

[bold geode]

"It is my birthday today and I will show you my girlfriend"
Tiktok enjoyers know

[molten oasis]

Monke you can’t hold her hostage for entertainment

[bold geode]

Sure I can

I'm orange

I have staff powers now

POWER NEVER FELT THIS GOOD

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-kira-anime-light-laugh-gif-22099540

I need to continue Death Note

I've watched like 8-9 episodes
Shit is gas

[craggy dagger]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2392934804

lmao

i forgot what its like to be in low elo lol

[bold geode]

The classic 5 turn Pagos setup to do stuff

[molten oasis]

lol

[sterile raven]

https://pokepast.es/981df0bfed028fb1 Been playing this in game a good bit lately.

This team is so much fun

[lean ridge]

I noticed you have 6 physical attackers

[sterile raven]

Yeah, I found the team on Cybertron's channel. It looked neat so i thought id try it

[foggy lodge]

Its the team got top cut al Melbourne😭

Its funny

[molten oasis]

Ah the giratina team

It’s cool

[sterile raven]

Ive been really enjoying it.

[foggy lodge]

I wonder how many times they actually picked Giratina lol

[sterile raven]

Its pretty good into CSR

[molten oasis]

Wasn’t there a giratina kyogre team as well or am I tripping

[foggy lodge]

Shitty GXE but I started this account just to run a meme Koraidon Miraidon team and ended using a serious team

I love Ditto

https://tenor.com/view/ditto-pokemon-anime-happy-dance-gif-16360307322388566092

[dense latch]

W

[craggy dagger]

@bold geode
rayquaza mvp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2393017041-8t4lxl1cm0m2e1ccl13exrelw18nm9lpw

[latent leaf]

I told yall rayquaza was usable

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[solid frigate]

woop

[shadow wind]

I hate low elo

Like what is this 😭

[molten oasis]

Oh I ran into that once, I was so pissed

[solid frigate]

lemme guess,another wolfe fan

[shadow wind]

Guess so

I wonder what Groudon's worst MU is

[foggy lodge]

Regulation I meta

[shadow wind]

Nah he cooks Koraidon I swear

Dang people just be forfeiting game 1 nowadays

[solid frigate]

Depends who do you struggle the most

[shadow wind]

Alright well I know what duo I think is the worst

[solid frigate]

do tell?

[shadow wind]

CIR Kyogre

Actually it might be Kyogre Zama

[solid frigate]

i mean if you still have Miraidon Groudon team you are kinda fine against Kyogre Zama

[shadow wind]

Not when they are both Tera grass

Means one of em ain’t dying in the rain ever

[solid frigate]

i just draco but whatever

[shadow wind]

I’m scarfed

And I am not clicking Draco into a Zama

I have a Volc but I’m thinking I might replace it

Ursaluna is a huge problem and I’d like something that beats it

Unfortunately nothing really beats it

[jade dust]

Regigigas without Weezing

[shadow wind]

I’m like pretty sure they forfeit turn 2 game 1

I kinda forget

Scarf Miraidon has been what Groudon needed

Uhhh

[jade dust]

What are the standard Zamasenta evs?

It looks like nobody invests in speed

[shadow wind]

They always outspeed my Miraidon on ladder...

[bold geode]

Some do, some don't

[shadow wind]

If I ran Zama I'd probably run max speed or something funny like that

[jade dust]

Under trick room right?

[shadow wind]

Nope

Most Zama I play are above 169 speed

[bold geode]

It's either go fast and hit hard, or be slower and bulkier, though the second one is a bit more norm now

As they aim to live +2 Psychic

[shadow wind]

It took him that long to realize

[bold geode]

From Lorb Shadow Rider

[shadow wind]

Ohhhh

[forest arrow]

Indeed

[shadow wind]

Agility is Astral

[solid frigate]

at least thats the spirit

[shadow wind]

Yeah

We call that a free dub !

[jade dust]

That shouldn’t happen unless tailwind or 0 speed Miraidon

But why would you 0 speed Miraidon

[shadow wind]

I wasn't

I was 124 speed or something

108*

[jade dust]

Well why not max speed

[shadow wind]

Because I wanted bulk?

What kind of a question is that

[jade dust]

Bulk doesn’t make a difference. You’re still getting one shot from things you don’t resist

[shadow wind]

Uhhh

Who told you that?

[foggy lodge]

Bulky Mirai is a trend

[shadow wind]

Kid named AV:

💀 💀

[foggy lodge]

"Bulk doesn't make a difference" xd

[shadow wind]

We LOVE scarf Miraidon here

Is there any mon that is like actually good into Ursaluna Lunala?

I feel like everything just gets nuked

[foggy lodge]

The power of friendship

Nah tera Hands should be like decent

[shadow wind]

Groudon has the AV

And no AV hands is like

Pasta no sauce

[foggy lodge]

Clear amulet!!!

[shadow wind]

Wait a minute

This cooks

[jade dust]

If you don’t tera fairy other Miraidons OHKO you with Draco meteor

[foggy lodge]

I think lowkey Hands doesn't needs the AV that much lowkey

[shadow wind]

Lowkey

[foggy lodge]

Lowkey

Its pretty fat in bulk by itself

[jade dust]

If you tera fairy, electro drill OHKO you

Doesn’t make a difference in Miraidon mirror at least

[shadow wind]

Miraidon mirror yeah

The dragon mirror...

https://pokepast.es/a35db0f6e5387e06

The only clam hands I could find

I like the idea

But what moves is the question

[foggy lodge]

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 132 SpD Tera Fairy Miraidon in Electric Terrain: 180-213 (86.9 - 102.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

And this is the spread of a regional champion

[foggy lodge]

I would use the standard moveset

[shadow wind]

That's fair

[foggy lodge]

I remember electric seed swords dance hands

It was a crazy set

[shadow wind]

That'd be funny

[foggy lodge]

It was electric punch drain punch and detect

No fake out was crazy

[jade dust]

Hmm I always OHKO but probably cuz icy wind bundle

[shadow wind]

Ursaluna have no reason to run anything but brave 0 speed ivs

So this is a speed tie

Maybe I just change something else

Eh I guess it's worth a shot

[astral kelp]

tailrursaluna

[shadow wind]

I hate smeargle

[jade dust]

Everyone does

That’s why I gave bundle taunt

[shadow wind]

And the bugger has to outspeed Iron Valiant at +2 speed by 4 points

And of course they always get the +2

[jade dust]

It’s rare for me to happen thankfully

Smeargle getting speed boost

[shadow wind]

Happens every single game for me

But yknow, maybe that's my teams fault

Not being able to deal with it

[waxen dock]

just use urshifu

to counter smeargle

[shadow wind]

Right cause Urshifu simply slots into every single team perfectly

How could I forget

[waxen dock]

maybe not but its still good with you don't have a sun mon

[dense latch]

covert cloak grasspon is a godsend for me

[astral kelp]

if youre playing sun you can just go darkshifu :)

love the guy

[shadow wind]

And that kills sash Smeargle?

[solid frigate]

orange cran

[stone trellis]

Has anyone ever considered putting Revival Blessing on Smeargle as the fourth move?

Like oh, you took down Zamazenta?

Sike, he's back from the dead.

Good luck dealing with him now that Bolt is dead!

[solid frigate]

bro is ready to hunt down Zamazenta

[stone trellis]

I wonder where the Primals would place in terms of the restricted rankings.

Would either be able to replace one of the big four?

[solid frigate]

Groudon replaces Koraidon

Kyogre and Rayquaza would not replace the other 3

[stone trellis]

Koraidon is #6 in terms of viability, isn't it?

I'm pretty sure it's nowhere near the strength of either Calyrex, Zamazenta or Miraidon.

[solid frigate]

we forgit Life Orb Close Combat Set Exists

we forgot Koraidon still provides good duos

we forgot Zamazenta got carried by CSR

[stone trellis]

Yeah, you're right.

Still, is Koraidon better than Lunala?

[solid frigate]

there's a reason we said

If you don't use horses or bikes in this format you're cooked

[stone trellis]

Calyrex somehow managing to be both #1 and #2 in terms of usage:

[left bobcat]

What the hell

[stone trellis]

Nevermind, they were #2 and #3.

The nuclear bike is #1.

[left bobcat]

Oh Koraidon

[stone trellis]

No, I meant Miraidon.

Koraidon is either #5 or #6 in terms of usage.

[cyan smelt]

<@&663761167176433665>

It's in #rental_teams too

[stone trellis]

I need a nickname for Iron Valiant.

"Fastest Encore without Prankster" is way too long.

And "FEWP" doesn't sound that cool.

[next stump]

Prankster Lite

[stone trellis]

That takes 13 characters, unfortunately.

The urge to name him "Ralts Droyd" is way too strong.

[chrome knot]

and that name would be a lie

[stone trellis]

That's why I went with "Ralts Droyd".

[stone trellis]

The fact that you cannot see Pokemon nicknames in tournaments is a shame.

[next stump]

you can see them, just not on stream

but everyone else can see them in their matches

[turbid vale]

can anyonr help me build a tr team

[stone trellis]

Do you at least have any ideas about the restricteds?

[next stump]

we need a bit more to go off of, I'm guessing you're playing double battles (VGC)?

[turbid vale]

yes reg i pls

[next stump]

What restricted legendary pokemon do you want to use

[turbid vale]

uhh you can decide but urshifu or caly ice?

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/3054a34540c75a49

something like this is probably one of the easiest/most standard hard TR teams

[turbid vale]

thank you!

[gentle crag]

dragqnszn has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[dense latch]

urshifu is not a restricted by the way

[turbid vale]

wait i might replace smeargle witb porygon 2 do u reccomend that

[turbid vale]

oh mb

[next stump]

Smeargle is pretty crucial on these TR teams for fake out

and spore

[dense latch]

all good, here’s the list if you want it https://www.serebii.net/scarletviolet/rankedbattle/regulationi.shtml

[turbid vale]

also might do farigiraf armor tail is solid

[dense latch]

they fulfill very different roles and i don’t think p2 is necessary here, nor is it great this format

[next stump]

Indeedee is there for the armor tail effect

[dense latch]

you have indeedee as a way to counter fake out and it serves as redirection

[next stump]

And it's better into Miraidon

[dense latch]

farig is redundant

[turbid vale]

ok ill try it out

and make tweaks

[solid frigate]

im sending the Kubfu from Pogo to SV i need another Urshifu lmao

[stone trellis]

I finally won my first match in days.

I might not be awful at VGC after all.

[next stump]

Paul the 🐐

[stone trellis]

Geez, hop off.

[turbid vale]

ok so i lost my first match miraidon is a problem

[solid frigate]

whats your team

[next stump]

Indeedee/Calyrex lead

[turbid vale]

https://pokepast.es/3054a34540c75a49 need to try this out a few more thimes then make tweaks

[turbid vale]

ok will try

[solid frigate]

Indeedee + Restricted Lead is enough

follow me+Trick Room

or Follow me Glacial if you are confident

[stone trellis]

I need a name for my team.

[solid frigate]

i name my team from gaming references and about what i like

[stone trellis]

That sounds good, but I have no ideas.

I want to call it Sons of CalyDon, but that name is too long.

[solid frigate]

i just named my Mirai Ogre team Samudratha

Which is a reference to Honkai STar Rail

[stone trellis]

Nice.

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/good-afternoon-terapagos-gloogy-pokemon-gif-4039871864156131033

[solid frigate]

Nah,you cant stop me

[stone trellis]

Okay, the team has four wins so far.

And the most important conclusion is that the moment Iron Valiant clicks Coaching, I've already won the match.

[chilly anvil]

How should I build Firagiraf and Zamazenta?

[next stump]

check out Munchstats.com

that’s a great website for build information for VGC

[foggy lodge]

Ayo what is Darsh cooking

He is using CIR Mirai Tyranitar

[stone trellis]

Dear God, that sounds atrocious.

[dense latch]

that’s

interesting

[molten oasis]

[dense latch]

what does ttar even do

weather control and volc killer ig? still tho

[molten oasis]

ig

maybe its something for korai or kyogre, oh wait, it dies to those 2 lmao

[dense latch]

at least it tanks an astral barrage pretty well right

if only there was some way for csr teams to get fighting coverage

[stone trellis]

Yeah, if only...

[molten oasis]

if only

[stone trellis]

I had the insane idea of Lunala + Miraidon with Parabolic Charge.

I know it's really bad, but it sounds fun.

[foggy lodge]

Idk

I even think is like

Contraintuitive because he is using leftovers cir

So its like your recovery is no longer there xd

[stone trellis]

It's crazy to me how MBPH Lunala has basically disappeared nowadays.

(MBPH means Meteor Beam + Power Herb)

[left bobcat]

Yeah electric seed is now the move

[real prairie]

Moody Smeargle really is absolute cheese

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2393460657-k91a8sj87fvk90dc132aevj2da60cdjpw

[foggy lodge]

I barely see it in koraidon teams

Not even Wolfey used it

Tho he used cloak Lunala and idk about that lol

[stone trellis]

It makes sense.

Lunala is a Pokemon that cannot afford missing a move.

[foggy lodge]

In this format nah

And also the problem is getting walled because I think Lunala needs wide guard and trick room in this meta

And meteor beam means you only have one consistent damage output move with moongeist

That is walled by normal types

[stone trellis]

And Incineroar.

Plus, Moongeist Beam and Moonblast are great at dealing with CSR.

[real prairie]

just lost to a triple protect 😭 🤣

[stone trellis]

Should I change anyone's nickname?

Wait, I think I've posted this in here already...

[shadow wind]

Hate to see it

[stone trellis]

I just avoid going for it more than once in a row.

If I can miss a Snarl on both opponents, I can fail a 1/3.

[shadow wind]

I weigh my odds

Am I more likely to miss a Pblade or hit a double

[stone trellis]

And I'm already gambling by having Groudon on my team.

[shadow wind]

The answer might shock you

[stone trellis]

Thank God everybody else is consistent.

Also, Raging Bolt really isn't putting up numbers.

[real prairie]

@shadow wind you want a Shiny Groudon?

[stone trellis]

I don't bring it to most matches and it rarely gets to do anyhing when I do bring it.

[shadow wind]

I already have one but I’d take another for a trade

Especially if it isn’t named

I was an idiot and named mine before trading it through accounts

[real prairie]

I just saw i have it on Pogo, if you already have one ill hold onto it if thats cool

[stone trellis]

I should've told my friend sleep to not nickname his Calyrex, but now I'm stuck with Corgi.

[real prairie]

trade it myself

[stone trellis]

Should I replace it with anything?

[real prairie]

Me thinks there was a premature GG https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2393479355

[grave hatch]

Hi! Does someone know what is the best ev/ nature for Clefeary in double? I dont know if I should go more specially or physically defensive

[stone trellis]

Try investing more in its physical Defense, as it already has pretty good Special Defense with Eviolite.

As for the Nature, you should probably go Calm.

[real prairie]

I like this:

Clefairy @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Def / 44 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Follow Me
• Protect
• Helping Hand
• After You

this is the most common though:

Clefairy @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature

• Follow Me
• Helping Hand
• Protect
• After You

[grave hatch]

Thank you!! Why do you not recommend 252 ev hp?

[gentle crag]

olivier_robin has given 1 Gen Rep to oneofakindof

[stone trellis]

It's best to have low enough Speed IVs that you underspeed most Amoonguss.

So that CIR can't get Spored before Amoonguss takes a Glacial Lance to the face.

[grave hatch]

Yeah 0IV attack and speed thanks 👍

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1751150466:R>.

[real prairie]

I just like having an even distribution due to special nukes

[stone trellis]

I have a Clefairy with low enough Speed IVs that it can underspeed Amoonguss, but it's not 0 Attack.

I can trade it to you, if you want.

[real prairie]

I guess im back?....

[grave hatch]

No I want it to be shiny / all ribbons etc but thank u!

[stone trellis]

Oh.

[stone trellis]

I kind of want to make a team with Smeargle that does not involve CSR and Zamazenta.

[grave hatch]

https://www.nimbasacitypost.com/2024/08/world-championships-2024.html

There are lot of team with smeargle and without zamazenta or CSR

[stone trellis]

First of all, those are from Regulation G.

Secondly, I want to make my own original team.

[stone trellis]

I think this belongs in #sv_discussion.

[rare pumice]

I wasn't sure, I apologize

I was hoping to ev train it some day and I figure breeding has a lot to do with competitive

[dense latch]

your best bet is probably a hard tr team

i think i’ve seen it in caly ice kyogre teams before too

[turbid vale]

guys tr torkoal is broken

[real prairie]

Literally what I'm running RN

[real prairie]

Bottled slightly, at 25-10, so think that's enough for tonight

[shadow wind]

Yeah all good sorry for the late response

[shut ginkgo]

Hi yall what is a standard set for Urshifu water

[scarlet otter]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Level: 50
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 4 HP / 236 Atk / 4 Def / 12 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• U-turn
• Aqua Jet

This is prob the most standard Urshifu Rapid currently in Vgc Reg I

Common moves + tanks Incin Fake Out w Caly-S astral Barrage and can one shot Caly-S with Terra Water Surging Strikes

[dense latch]

congrats!! welcome back

[dense latch]

what’s your six?

[real prairie]

I haven't got it on my phone, I'll share it in the morning as it's 2am here and I'm laying in bed 🤣

[mild sparrow]

just because I love the pokemon and for the lols
Can someone a pvp set for furret

I don't really know much about competitive at all

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2393479355

Scrolled up a teensy bit and found this

Holy luck was not on that guy's side

And that was banded Groudon

I know my Groudon calcs 🤓

[rare pumice]

does the attack boost from booster energy stack with stat stages like belly drum?

[next stump]

Belly Drum maxes out your attack stat

But it would stack with swords dance

[rare pumice]

so it's considered a stat stage then?

[shadow wind]

I think they mean like are they multiplying

Which they do I believe

Not 100% sure how though

Might be worth to test it out

I would assume it is multiplied first

I guess it wouldn't matter actually in which order they multiply

[next stump]

Take this answer with a grain of salt

[shadow wind]

But Miraidon with choice specs and hadron engine gets a just under 2x spatk boost

[next stump]

But yeah you'd need to test how the math works out with swords dance + booster

[shadow wind]

I would assume it's 1.3x * 2x

So a 2.6x boost

But they are saying it's not like that so who knows

Actually now thinking about it yeah it should just be a 4.3x boost

My head hurts

[next stump]

Yeah they're saying it's an addititive +30%

[shadow wind]

Yeah no multiplying

[rare pumice]

So what I'm hearing is that booster energy combined with belly drum is a funny number

[shadow wind]

Unlike choice items?

[shadow wind]

4.3x the normal damage yup

[next stump]

let me see if the damage calc accounts for this

[shadow wind]

252+ Atk Brute Bonnet Throat Chop vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Grimmsnarl: 17-20 (8.4 - 9.9%) -- possibly the worst move ever

+6 252+ Atk Brute Bonnet Throat Chop vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Grimmsnarl: 69-81 (34.1 - 40%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

+6 252+ Atk Protosynthesis Brute Bonnet Throat Chop vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Grimmsnarl: 89-105 (44 - 51.9%) -- 17.6% chance to 2HKO

[next stump]

+6 180+ Atk Quark Drive Iron Hands Low Kick (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Abomasnow in Snow: 828-974 (420.3 - 494.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

vs.

+6 180+ Atk Iron Hands Low Kick (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Abomasnow in Snow: 638-752 (323.8 - 381.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[shadow wind]

Hmm

So for the brute bonnet one

9.9% normal

At +6 that makes sense to be 40%

But then add proto and it's 1.3x the 40%

So maybe they do multiply?

[rare pumice]

what would a choice band do to this equation then?

if electric terrain were active and allowed for quark drive

[shadow wind]

To give Brute Bonnet an attacking stat of 1019 instead of 1038??

Wait a minute

Why is my math being cooked right now

[rare pumice]

my assumption would be that choice band multiples the initial stat (accounting for level, evs, all that) by 1.5, then adds 1.3 once the appropriate terrain/weather is up, and then stat stages multiply that final number

[shadow wind]

196(Bonnet attack stat at 252 adamant) x 4(After 3 growths) x 1.3(Proto boost) = 1019.2

196(Attacking stat) x 4 (at +6) + 196(Attacking stat) x 1.3(Proto) = 1038.8

Why is that lower

Man I've been graduated for like a month why is math already leaving me

[next stump]

It only gets worse, I forget about PEMDAS all the time

[shadow wind]

Ok well I'm going into computer sciences work so hopefully I won't need it(I needed calculus to sign up for the uni course 😔 )

[rare pumice]

pemdas is the only thing I remember about math anymore

[next stump]

shoutout please excuse my dear aunt sally

[molten oasis]

What a turn

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2393624323

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/glastrier-gif-21054576

i love honse

[shadow wind]

Dude that Ivy cudgel probably killed 3 CIRs

[solid frigate]

i mean its SE

not doubting that does not kill

+1 76+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Calyrex-Ice: 260-308 (125.6 - 148.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[shadow wind]

It was in sun too !

Ogerpon would’ve OHKO’d every Pokemon that game

[solid frigate]

i mean its Ogerpon

bro built like Mini Zacian

[shadow wind]

Bro just built

I like this new team

Feels flexible

[cyan smelt]

Ogerpon is the goat

[shadow wind]

He was the last pick on the team for me but he’s making a difference for sure

[solid frigate]

this is why i spammed Ogerpon on my Miraidon team

Solves most of my Rillaboom matchup and beats Ice Honse

[shadow wind]

Mine is extremely slow though so I might change that

[solid frigate]

make sure to outspeed modest Lando

[shadow wind]

It is literally 132 speed

God forbid a guy want to use a TR mode

It lives a modest Lando sludge bomb

[molten oasis]

what a balanced mon

[shadow wind]

Just a casual 1/150 chance

Yknow how it is

And Groudon just missed 3/4 pblades

Hmmm

[molten oasis]

epic groudon missed every move moment

[shadow wind]

Truly my fault that I lost

[molten oasis]

ong

[shadow wind]

Nah why did high horsey just do less than spread pblades

[molten oasis]

what lmao

that aint right

[shadow wind]

Cinema

[molten oasis]

fuck you smeargle

[shadow wind]

We love Iron Valiant around here

Encore Shmencore

[stone trellis]

Yes, we do.

Does it use Coaching?

[shadow wind]

Occasionally

[shadow wind]

Some may call me him

(The safest play known to man)

[rare pumice]

do you think there's an already existing ability they could give Mewtwo that would turn it into a frequently used pokemon in any given restricted format

[stone trellis]

Psychic Surge.

[rare pumice]

ok that would be pretty good

[stone trellis]

Mewtwo is really fast, but just slow enough to underspeed Miraidon and take control of the terrain.

[rare pumice]

and the sucker punch immunity is pretty appreciated

[stone trellis]

And Fake Out.

[rare pumice]

does Mewtwo get expanding force*

[stone trellis]

It probably does.

And it gets its fair share of coverage moves + Nasty Plot.

[rare pumice]

sounds like it would be pretty good then

[shadow wind]

Hadron engine but Psychic surge

And yeah every single psychic type besides like Cosmog and Cosmoem gets expanding force

I think literally every single psychic type gets expanding force besides those 2 wow

[rare pumice]

I think Indeedee F lost it in this gen didn't it

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah

That was one of the ones that didn't have it

[rare pumice]

was mega Banette ever a used pokemon in vgc or anything for that matter?

[stone trellis]

Yeah, I think Wolfe Glick won a regional with it.

[rare pumice]

that was the only mega pokemon I've ever used in pvp

[shadow wind]

I wonder if this guy is having any fun

Like holy time waster

Some might even say

Unemployment final boss

What the

[solid frigate]

turtie

[solid frigate]

ah the japan nationals team but they have more copium on groudon

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2393719711-v4wiidx08ttdc1pe379wg4abjntglp8pw

Bro left due to his misplay-

[stone trellis]

I should rank every type combination in terms of how good it is competitively.

[rare pumice]

is trace or download preferred for Porygon2?

[stone trellis]

Download is better.

And it's best to run a Quiet Nature.

[rare pumice]

eviolite makes it bulky enough that quiet is a workable nature?

[stone trellis]

Because even with its 85 Attack, it can still put in work with Tera Blast and a +1.

[stone trellis]

Quiet lowers its Speed and raises its Special Attack, it has nothing to do with bulk.

[rare pumice]

no I mean that I would've thought a defense boosting nature would be preferred, and am surprised that it wouldn't

I figured eviolite alone wasn't enough for its bulk

[stone trellis]

It has great natural bulk.

[rare pumice]

isn't there a whacky thing where if it gets the attack boost from download it can still manage to pop off with physical tera blast?

[stone trellis]

Yes.

[stone trellis]

Even without any EVs, it gets 165 Defense and 172 Special Defense by just holding the Eviolite.

Tera Fairy is great at dealing with the Fighting types that threaten it.

[rare pumice]

would poison also work?

or is that an outdated strategy

[stone trellis]

Poison has very little offensive benefits.

[rare pumice]

are grass types not very common right now or does ice beam handle that fine enough

[stone trellis]

Grass types are pretty common, but Ice Beam should be able to handle them just fine.

[rare pumice]

I'm thinking of pairing porygon2 with grimmsnarl for screens and fake out support

[stone trellis]

Go for it.

And since Porygon-2 is great with Trick Room, you can also pair it with Calyrex-Ice.

[rare pumice]

if I ever manage to get one I guess

[stone trellis]

I have one.

I'll buy Pokemon Sword soon anyway.

[rare pumice]

that sounds extremely generous

[stone trellis]

I'll give it a Fresh-Start Mochi if you want to change the EVs.

[rare pumice]

what are they?

[stone trellis]

252 HP / 44 Atk / 12 Def / 196 SpD / 4 Spe

[rare pumice]

is that the leech seed set?

[stone trellis]

Yes.

[rare pumice]

If you're really fine giving it to me I'll take it as is, I think dual screens combined with that would be pretty beefy

[stone trellis]

I EV trained it in order to survive an Electro Drift or a Draco from Specs Modest Miraidon.

[rare pumice]

alright that makes a lot of sense

[stone trellis]

I'll trade it when I get back home.

[rare pumice]

alright, thank you

is that to survive choice specs miraidon or choice scarf?

I think I will give porygon some sp.def evs so it won't get 2ko'd by choice specs Miraidon while screens are up

[stone trellis]

I said "Specs Modest".

[real prairie]

@torn parrot has one in the rentals somewhere she got #1 on ladder with

[stone trellis]

I don't know about Pory2, but Calyrex can absolutely survive.

[rare pumice]

sorry my reading and attention goes down hill the longer I stay up past midnight

[rare pumice]

is Ting-Lu not a restricted pokemon?

[solid frigate]

@real prairie dog

[solid frigate]

nope its not

[rare pumice]

thank you

[mighty stump]

Doing my irregular visit to just day I built the Armarouge model kit

[stone trellis]

@rare pumice I can trade now.

[rare pumice]

if you're sure about this then I'm ready

[stone trellis]

The code is 2907 2009.

[rare pumice]

my ot is story

[stone trellis]

Alright.

Give me a second.

[rare pumice]

alright

[stone trellis]

I forgot to un-register it from the teams.

Now I'm ready.

[rare pumice]

i'll search now

[stone trellis]

Do you already have Glastrier?

I can't trade it when it's fused.

[rare pumice]

I have neither

[stone trellis]

Alright, I'll trade you both then.

[solid frigate]

train

[stone trellis]

Now everything should be good.

[rare pumice]

alright

how do I get the fusion item?

[tranquil kraken]

yooooo i need that

[stone trellis]

You go to Porto Marinada while having either Glastrier or Calyrex on your team.

[rare pumice]

thank you

[mighty stump]

its sick

[stone trellis]

You should be able to see a girl offering you an auction for the Reins of Unity.

[tranquil kraken]

Do they have Ceruledge too

[mighty stump]

It scratched the model building itch

[mighty stump]

Not that I’ve seen but I know there should be one

[tranquil kraken]

[mighty stump]

yeah its the Plamo collection

number 57

so before Armarouge

[tranquil kraken]

They don’t sell those here

[mighty stump]

Get em online

[rare pumice]

are any of the gen 8 legendaries available in blueberry academy dlc or just from transfer?

[mighty stump]

its like 20 bucks too

[stone trellis]

You have to transfer them from Sword/Shield.

[rare pumice]

alright

[tranquil kraken]

[rare pumice]

I think Zamazenta will be next on my list

[torn parrot]

Iv been pinged!

I mean

Mayhaps I’ve been pinged

[bold geode]

Cool shit

[bold geode]

[turbid vale]

Did i do good on this https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2393801541 [im the one with caly}

[solid frigate]

dunno why bro has only Koraidon as Restricteds but eh

nvm its low ladder

[stone trellis]

By the way, I have found a pretty good spread for Porygon2 that allows it to always live a Modest Specs Electro Drift as well.

[craggy dagger]

what?

[stone trellis]

Complex is making a competitive team that features Porygon2.

[craggy dagger]

well..

[bold geode]

@rare pumice what you got so far?

Actually hmmm
I actually wonder

Damn P2 can actually live a Body Press from Zam? Wild

No SoR though, that might get there

[solid frigate]

+1 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 252 HP / 100 Def Eviolite Porygon2: 152-182 (79.1 - 94.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Pretty comfortably

[bold geode]

Calc SoR

[solid frigate]

+1 236+ Def Sword of Ruin Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 252 HP / 100 Def Eviolite Porygon2: 204-242 (106.2 - 126%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 236+ Def Sword of Ruin Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 252 HP / 100+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 186-222 (96.8 - 115.6%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

If you are bold then its a roll

[bold geode]

Yikes
That's actually not that good lol

Better than I thought but

Koraidon though
Just ass blasts P2

[solid frigate]

+1 236+ Def Sword of Ruin Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 162-192 (84.3 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

Unless you are fucking insane then yes you can live one

[solid frigate]

44 SpA Porygon2 Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon: 76-90 (43.4 - 51.4%) -- 5.1% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 100 Def Eviolite Porygon2 in Sun: 133-156 (69.2 - 81.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

If you factoring tera ghost on p2 then its fine, but flare blitz kinda chunks it anyway

[foggy lodge]

P2 has to be almost max defense in this format

[stone trellis]

There are not many special attacks that threaten it anyway.

[stone trellis]

I guess Kyogre and CIR are the best partners for it after all.

[stone trellis]

What is the best item for Kyogre on this team?

[lean ridge]

Pretty sure Kyogres mostly run mystic water/splash plate now

[stone trellis]

Right.

[lean ridge]

Or scarf for closed team sheet

[stone trellis]

100+ SpA Mystic Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tera Fire Koraidon in Sun: 168-200 (96 - 114.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

Jesus Christ, this thing is actually a nuke.

[lean ridge]

Yes it’s crazy, especially if u pair it with tailwind or redirection to help get the spouts off

[stone trellis]

Nevermind, that's single target.

[lean ridge]

It can ohko even resisted mons in rain

[rare pumice]

I'm not sure if download is working out for Porygon2 or if I'm just positioning wrong

or if I'm using the wrong format for a Porygon2 maybe

[foggy lodge]

I don't think atk boost are that good now

Its a mon with not a high attack base

I would use trace because you can just copy good defensive abilities

Like dauntless shield in front of Zama

[rare pumice]

yea I'm starting to think for doubles at least that trace would be more consistently useful for me

and the things that threaten Porygon2 most seem to launch an atk boost anyways

[solid frigate]

thats not a close teamsheet item lmao

if you have Indeedee on this team its mostly specs or Scarf

[waxen dock]

There was reg h with no legendaries

[solid frigate]

p2 is still workable

but you expect you need effort

[rare pumice]

I'm just not great at choosing certain pokemon for certain reasons yet and basing my team off of the formats I play in yet

[rare pumice]

Is tera fire or tera water preferred on CRI? I feel like water is important for resisting Kyogre specifically

[real prairie]

Tsareena clutch! 3v1 lol https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2393941867

[next stump]

they both have their pluses and minuses. Water is tough because you can easily get pinned by CSR + Rilla leads.

I think if your team has ways to deal with Kyogre decently, Fire is generally better and safer

[rare pumice]

I think being able to resist both Kyogre and Urshifu-R's rapid strike would be more valuable to my team right now but I'll see if I can manage to find a way to bolster the rest of them for that purpose

[real prairie]

Someone wanted a Furret team

[rare pumice]

oh I forgot Kyogre gets thunder

[real prairie]

https://pokepast.es/d2d7b02098676c42

[solid frigate]

speaking of Kyogre

[dense latch]

what’s the psychic seed for?

[real prairie]

That's a mistake

Mirror herb is what is runs

It*

[dense latch]

oh ok

[real prairie]

I was at one point going to run indeedee

[torn parrot]

using furret is easy
give it follow me and focus sash/rocky helmet

and it will do a job

[solid frigate]

The sparkling dog

times 2

[stone trellis]

Despite the fact that most Kyogres run either Mystic Water or AV, I really want to give mine Ability Shield just to spite CSR-Koraidon-Weezing teams.

[torn parrot]

if you use furret it will do a similar but worse job than maushold
but it will indeed do that job

[solid frigate]

pls don’t

like PLS don’t

[stone trellis]

I was joking.

[torn parrot]

kyogre weezing time?

[solid frigate]

stop.

Kyogre does not have speed to work with Geezing

[craggy dagger]

[stone trellis]

Love how despite power creep, the legendaries have been getting less and less powerful (in terms of lore) ever since Gen 5.

[raven ivy]

Where should I post this? What a good moveset be for greninja for pvp? And what item should I use? Iife orb?

[solid frigate]

singles or doubles (Technically there’s only one right answer)

[raven ivy]

Singles.

[solid frigate]

No matter singles or doubles Specs is still the best Set for Protean Greninja and there is no competition

[stone trellis]

What does Gweezing even run most of the time?

[solid frigate]

Taunt,Strange Steam/Play Rough,Protect,Wisp

[stone trellis]

I meant the EV spread and item.

[raven ivy]

Ok ty.

[stone trellis]

I'm basically trying to make a CSR-Koraidon-Gweezing team.

[solid frigate]

goggles is by far the most common(i think),ev Spread you usually run More defense than Special Defense

[torn parrot]

Why am I stopping

[stone trellis]

Do CSR-Gweezing teams normally run Flutter Mane or Bolt?

[pulsar cloak]

Bolt is more common

[torn parrot]

How about you stop 🫵

[pulsar cloak]

Usually AV on those comps

[stone trellis]

So Thunderbolt, Thunderclap, Draco and Electroweb?

[pulsar cloak]

252 Hp and 220 SpDef allows it to survive any specs Mirai attack outside of terrain

[pulsar cloak]

Draco and Pulse are interchangeable, but yeah

[stone trellis]

I'd rather not run Pulse on a set without Life Orb.

[shadow wind]

Just a day in the life

[pulsar cloak]

You can drop webs for snarl/volt switch if you think your team is fine on speed control, but they usually run webs since otherwise the comp lacks it

[stone trellis]

Calm or Bold?

[pulsar cloak]

Bold

[stone trellis]

I'm only four members in and none of them have speed control so far.

Do those types of teams usually run redirection?

[solid frigate]

stop your thought or get punted

[stone trellis]

Toedscruel is speaking to me like the Green Goblin mask...

Gang, should I really go for the base 100 Speed Spore?

[torn parrot]

Your just going to motivate me out of spite

[solid frigate]

good

help you think of this format more

https://tenor.com/view/dan-heng-dan-heng-hsr-honkai-hsr-agree-gif-9809975140703068906

back to randbats i go

[glad burrow]

Heya yall. What's a good moveset for pawmot?

[stone trellis]

In singles, right?

Holy fuck, I could give Revival Blessing to Smeargle.

Wait, I've already said that.

[solid frigate]

Double Shock Close Combat Ice Punch Protect/Revival Blessing if its singles

[bold geode]

What format are we talking

[glad burrow]

Cheers

[gentle crag]

kevii0035 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[glad burrow]

Can yall aswell give the one for gallade? And yep singles

[glad burrow]

And by chance aswell a moveset for lechonk?

[chrome knot]

23

[shadow wind]

Ah heck yeah

[bold geode]

?

[real prairie]

I went from 25-10 to 28-20, back to the drawing board 😭🤣

Glad I'm not actually competing for anything right now, I'd be crying

[shadow wind]

Whoa

[cyan smelt]

Smeargle can't use revival blessing, if it tries to use it it fails

[bold geode]

We have those days

[real prairie]

Think it's just leveling out against 1600 players TBF

[bold geode]

Kinda did that myself the other day
Though my last good ladder run I had very good games so can't complain

Also forgot to mention uh

[real prairie]

It is what it is, I could see myself making wrong decisions and then doing them again a few rounds later.

Might take the team into bo3 and see how I do

[bold geode]

Forgot to mention this here

Was about 1700 in the cart ladder rankings when this happened

Twas a good game but
Brother got hands

[foggy lodge]

IT WAS YOU???

[shadow wind]

Huh?

[foggy lodge]

Can I see your team?

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/6beb9b43589f35db

Did we play?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah LOL

I was using Mirai Zama Volc

[shadow wind]

That I just got burnt on?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah sorry for that

[shadow wind]

Nah it happens

I played pretty trash both games

[azure ether]

Would Eternatus + CIR be a good restricted pairing for a stall team?

[bold geode]

Chat

Cart ladder was jank tonight

[molten oasis]

y

[craggy swan]

Did he release his stats on his mons yet?

[bold geode]

No

[knotty mirage]

I'm not sure if using stall team is a good idea on the first place but i guess so

[rare pumice]

is choice scarf something I should be afraid of when facing a Kyogre?

or does Kyogre not run that normally

[shadow wind]

Kyogre can run it just fine

Water spout gives it that nuking option that scarf magnifies

[stone trellis]

It's kind of in that Speed tier where it appreciates the Scarf.

[shadow wind]

Yup

[stone trellis]

Although you have to invest a lot in its Speed if you want to outspeed CSR.

[shadow wind]

Literally still need to be timid

[stone trellis]

Something like 204 Speed if you're going Timid.

[stone trellis]

Yeah, most relevant Scarf abusers have just enough Speed to not need Timid/Jolly.

Chi-Yu doesn't even need max Speed in order to outspeed CSR.

[shadow wind]

Miraidon 🙏

[shadow wind]

But you always gotta plan for max speed Chi yu

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

That plan is called AV Kyogre

[shadow wind]

AV Kyogre makes me sad

Actually I'd rather AV kyogre than mystic water

[stone trellis]

Why, because it's really good into Groudon?

[shadow wind]

Nah I like being able to hit them without protecting

[stone trellis]

Oh.

[shadow wind]

Spirit break be hitting every time !

[stone trellis]

Do you play on the actual Switch or just on Showdown?

[shadow wind]

Usually just showdown

[jaunty inlet]

anyone down to ou battle?

[shadow wind]

I need to get a Miraidon before I enter any tours

[stone trellis]

If I ever catch you playing with Groudon, know that my Kyogre always runs MW.

[shadow wind]

A lot of them do

And I usually play Bo3 and I always have "Groudon" in the name

[stone trellis]

I didn't mean on Showdown, I never touch that.

[shadow wind]

Ah ok

[stone trellis]

I just realised that I can borrow my own rental team and use my CIR without it even being mine anymore.

[shadow wind]

Yes

Too bad I still need that stinking Miraidon !

I think CIR rain is my least favourite MU

[stone trellis]

I just won a match against a CIR-Miraidon team.