competitive_discussion

[shadow wind]

Bo3s are awesome

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2326431655-u6wg1qsyfixgsnqgf0owcrocmb2le8cpw

like these games werent even close but it went on for sooo longggg

tbf im running a stallish rapagos team but still

[solid frigate]

thats the main thing that i like about it

it gives you time to try improve yourself in matches while give you thought processing

[astral kelp]

i mean ig thats true

[shadow wind]

Gives my opponents a lot of time to think of ways to murder Bronzong

[solid frigate]

or how to outplay opponents

to make you have a chance

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2325903058

Sometimes it is annoying

Cause in that game I knew what I was going to do turn 1

[astral kelp]

i really need a way to win if i lose rapagos

right now i have comfey psych up and ig sneasler

maybe i should run calm mind instead of psych up

[dense latch]

pagos teams are all about pagos

the fact that you don't have a great way to win after pagos dies is fine

you just need to support it as much as possible and allow it to sweep

[lost sun]

indeedee terras to fairy and porygon 2 to ghost?

[feral valley]

guys I started playing competitive like five days ago and I'm ultra ball rank is that good

[astral kelp]

hear me out

revival blessing boom

[solid frigate]

good stepping stone

[feral valley]

I shake my pants when I see terapagos cuz it hard walls my calyrex

[solid frigate]

like its not bad persay its just Cart is usually easier depends on how you feel about the teams

[solid frigate]

CSR?

[feral valley]

ya

[solid frigate]

dude just Urshifu that Turtle if you have Urshifu in your team

[feral valley]

honestly so many ppl run normal type these days with indeedee terapagos ursaluna and farig that it makes caly so unreliable

[feral valley]

I do but that stupid tera shell ability

[solid frigate]

i mean blame Calyrex being opressive not the people

[feral valley]

I die

[solid frigate]

Fake out Close Combat

GG shake my hand

[lost sun]

questioning my chi yu

[feral valley]

nope they always got a indeedee blocking the priority

[solid frigate]

hmmmmm

[astral kelp]

yea thats why we reallllly need redirection

[lost sun]

didn't mean to put atk for speed on porygon

pretend it's spa being raised instead

[solid frigate]

honestly CSR vvs Terapagos's Matchup is basically 30/70

So what i will do is try to make something like this,i'll make a team rn

[astral kelp]

its not the easiest matchup if csr just nasty plots

[feral valley]

I rly like my team but there's some matchups that I can't deal with and it's an insta loss

[astral kelp]

depends on the rapagos team

i need a way to one tap farigirafe

maybe shifu dark?

[lost sun]

indeedee is bold porygons quiet

[feral valley]

dude I led farig and caly and they led Lando I and torn I and I just helping hand tera ghosted astral barrage and one shot both but then urshifu and zacian came in and THE URSHIFU WAS SCARFED AND I LOST THE BATTLE

[feral valley]

u don't. let me sit on the field

wanna hear how petty I am

my farig has no attacking moves

[astral kelp]

or chiyu

[astral kelp]

my team has 4pokemon that loooove priority nmoves

[feral valley]

my farig has trick room and imprison so I can counter the stupid trick room teams and then helping hand and ally switch

trick room pmo

[astral kelp]

ally switch kek

[feral valley]

hehe

[craggy dagger]

[feral valley]

I love when it works

[feral valley]

I have grassy glide, aqua jet, fake out, and prankster torn with taunt tailwind and rain dance for priority on my team

so indeedee shuts me down

unless I switch in rillaboom :)

[bold geode]

Iz smelly bean
Henlo

[craggy dagger]

yo

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/a8ff4703a8061c85

Here ya go

@feral valley i think this should be fine

i know its basically the same but i like Clefairy here helping the Trick Room problem as well

[feral valley]

nuh uh I need my baby farig

I love how all the other five mons are already my team

[solid frigate]

not really

Clefairy helps that team a lot more than Fari

[feral valley]

just farig instead of clefairy

[feral valley]

no. farig helped me out of SO MANY PICKLES with armor tail

u have no idea how many times it came in clutch

[solid frigate]

just let Clefairy Follow me tank it lmao

[feral valley]

also my farig has psychic seed cuz I know I see indeedee so much

[bold geode]

Farig is fine there?

Just do like Wolfe
Go Throat Spray there

[solid frigate]

its my preference

plus idk what Goober's Spreads are

[feral valley]

thats how I had it before I changed the moves to counter trick room

[feral valley]

max hp max spdef

[bold geode]

Throat Spray Farig can counter TR?

You can probably get through TR with double Fake Out and Farig

[solid frigate]

i mean whole team

[feral valley]

no. imprison psychic seed trick room farig plus taunt and will o wisp incin counters indeedee and calyrex ice lead

[feral valley]

no. psychic terrain blocks fake out

[cyan smelt]

Someone else posted in rental teams again

[bold geode]

@opaque wedge plz be sure to not have regular messages in #rental_teams , comp staff like to keep that clear for rentals
As for your question though, you have to use the Reins of Unity to unfuse Calyrex from the horse

[bold geode]

You have Grassy

It's just a matter of play

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Terapagos-Stellar Tera Starstorm vs. 76 HP / 12 SpD Calyrex-Shadow with an ally's Friend Guard: 50-59 (27 - 31.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

Trust me you can tank it anyway lmao

[feral valley]

I don't bring it every game

[solid frigate]

why?

[feral valley]

if i don't think i need him i don't bring him

he's av

with grassy glide wood hammer knock off and uturn

[solid frigate]

ok no wonder why

Rilla needs Fake out more than Knock off

[feral valley]

nah

I don't have knock off on anything else

it's my only dark move lol

[solid frigate]

bruh

[craggy dagger]

follow me negates any priority damage though?

[feral valley]

my team is bad ok? I'm only ultra ball rank

[solid frigate]

especially Sucker Punch and Thunderclap

[craggy dagger]

knock off rilla what?

[solid frigate]

idk why he use it

[craggy dagger]

are we back in swsh era with boosted glide

[tiny karma]

Move: Grassy Glide

If the current terrain is Grassy Terrain and the user is grounded, this move has its priority increased by 1.

Type

Grass

Category

Physical

Power

70

Max Power

120

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

which Rilla needs to win that ffinals lmao

[azure ether]

Taking role compression to the next level

[solid frigate]

also Psyshock ruins Terapagos quite a lot

[craggy dagger]

expanding force psychic terrain

[solid frigate]

just tell from my Experience as a Turtle Player for almost a year

[solid frigate]

that also

https://youtu.be/WE9nhy9SnHY?si=yBCO3RBU3xwXfTcR

Lmao the thumbnail couldn't have been perfectly timed

[craggy dagger]

i wanna point out

[solid frigate]

i know its from singles perspective

[craggy dagger]

greninja didn’t get much of a nerf-
it still retained its stats but lost a form that wasn’t too crucial to it

protean just got nerfed to the ground

as well as rillaboom

[solid frigate]

thank god that helped the specs set

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to interstellar_latte

[foggy lodge]

There are only 3 reg G regionals left

End this format already please

[solid frigate]

THERE'S MORE????

FUCK ME

[craggy dagger]

pffff
yeah there is

[left bobcat]

Yeah

[craggy dagger]

though they’re one week apart iirc?

[left bobcat]

Yeah

[azure ether]

Will there be another IC or is it Worlds already?

[foggy lodge]

The next one is Atlanta in april

[foggy lodge]

NAIC

[craggy dagger]

isn’t ic the show of a new format

[left bobcat]

And Totino’s pizza rolls

[foggy lodge]

No

[left bobcat]

Oops wrong chat

[azure ether]

Neat. We'll get Wolfe's Incineroar after all.

[craggy dagger]

or would worlds be the presentation of a new format?

[solid frigate]

ENJOY YOUR TOTINO'S PIZZA ROLL,SONIC!

[craggy dagger]

what?

[solid frigate]

terminal montage

[lost sun]

is SD just dumb or did this guy get super lucky and land 7 wide guards in a row

[mighty stump]

WG can be used consecutively lol

[lost sun]

so the guy I battled like 2 weeks ago kept swapping sides of wide guard for no reason

[next stump]

correct

[mighty stump]

lol

[lost sun]

good to know

[mighty stump]

I mean likely they were doing a cover so best to actually figure out why they were doing that lol

[lost sun]

they had pelipper and zenta against my kyogre and smth else I forgot

idk why they wouldn't just keep pelipper using wide guard until they needed tailwind up again

[solid frigate]

cuz Pelipper is slow TW setter

[mint void]

Stockholm was the most varied top10 we had no?

[mint void]

Maybe just didnt know

[lost sun]

who would do that

[solid frigate]

somehow eternatus is in top 8 res

[foggy lodge]

Zamafraud

[dense latch]

1 zama in day 2 is crazy

[feral valley]

hi again

[foggy lodge]

It made top 8 tho I think

[dense latch]

yea tied with etern

[foggy lodge]

No but I mean the Zama team made top 8

[dense latch]

oh

yea true

[foggy lodge]

That's what Eternatus will never have

[dense latch]

the etern in eternatus stands for eternally mid unfort

[foggy lodge]

And I hope it stays there

But I think GS Cup it can be good

Like pressure is unironically good

Atleast for GS cup because you stall things like astral or glacial

[dense latch]

i see the potential for gs cup

[foggy lodge]

Now that I'm playing Pagos my biggest fear is fighting a Eternatus

Wdym I only have 4 tera starstorms

[dense latch]

idk if i could ever play pagos

i can barely stand watching pagos on stream

[rustic mountain]

glad i missed the dozo vs terapagos set

tho thats more on dozo then pagos

[feral valley]

guys I have a question

is there any ability changing moves like simple beam that last the whole battle

[tiny karma]

Move: Skill Swap

The user swaps its Ability with the target's Ability. Fails if either the user or the target's Ability is As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Commander, Disguise, Embody Aspect, Hunger Switch, Ice Face, Illusion, Multitype, Neutralizing Gas, Poison Puppeteer, Power Construct, Protosynthesis, Quark Drive, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, Tera Shell, Tera Shift, Teraform Zero, Wonder Guard, Zen Mode, or Zero to Hero.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

Doesn’t say it reverts on switch but not sure

[feral valley]

I wanna try to see if it's possible to build a team around slaking but not neutralizing gas

[feral valley]

and have the ability to switch

[spiral ridge]

I watched and it was a shit show
But defo think pagos could’ve at least tried to change it up as he did same mistake and tried to make same desperate recovery

[next stump]

anyone know what grimm’s moves are

[spiral ridge]

Just to guess but foul play shock wave a screen and fake out?

[left bobcat]

THE DREAM IS FALLING

[brave dune]

https://pokepast.es/39625680e01081f4
found this team on the repository and i like how it looks. anyone know how id play this?

[spiral ridge]

Dark move cloak lando

[left bobcat]

Just calm mind

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2326484726-ijaa8xx79ccwb3dhksjpkgojnsqqtx8pw

I never understood Koraidon Weezing

[astral kelp]

yeah its weird right

[shadow wind]

Also Game 1 forfeit of the set

[astral kelp]

feels counter intuitive

ability shield is so weird too

[shadow wind]

I mean he gets his weather and atk boost and doesn't need to worry about other weathers or intimidate

But I don't know it just doesn't seem great

[astral kelp]

this guy prolly lost to just this

[astral kelp]

yeah idk

weezing doesnt do much

[tiny karma]

Weezing's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Bide, Body Slam, Double Hit, Explosion, Facade, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Gyro Ball, Headbutt, Natural Gift, Payback, Rage, Return, Rollout, Secret Power, Self-Destruct, Tackle, Take Down, Thief

Special Moves

Acid Spray, Belch, Clear Smog, Dark Pulse, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Infestation, Psybeam, Psywave, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Sludge, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Smog, Snore, Spit Up, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Venoshock, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Attract, Captivate, Confide, Corrosive Gas, Curse, Destiny Bond, Double Team, Endure, Flash, Grudge, Haze, Memento, Mimic, Pain Split, Poison Gas, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Smokescreen, Spite, Stockpile, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swallow, Taunt, Torment, Toxic, Toxic Spikes, Venom Drench, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Weezing.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

To what?

Me missing?

[astral kelp]

oh wait i didnt finish watching

nvm

[foggy lodge]

cuz koraidon activates modes with Flutter, Chi-Yu, etc and then you chip things to get to a point where dozogiri closes the match

[dapper crag]

Looking for team building advice dm if interested

[astral kelp]

i thought weezing would just get one shot lmao

[shadow wind]

I understand how it works but it just doesn't succeed from my experience

[foggy lodge]

Weezing helps in that stall mode with poisoning and deactivating the abilities so the others mons can play without many worries

[shadow wind]

I'm not max atk

And weezing has a lot of physical bulk

[left bobcat]

They should’ve just wisped

[astral kelp]

man entei is a beast

[shadow wind]

I could've tera fired

[astral kelp]

playing around tera fire

[left bobcat]

I prefer lorb entei

[astral kelp]

i think that was white scarf?

[shadow wind]

Choice band

[astral kelp]

wait no its band

[left bobcat]

Eh banded entei is easier to beat

[astral kelp]

i frogot i can just read it

[foggy lodge]

Imagine silk scarf Entei

[left bobcat]

Mmm meh

[left bobcat]

You always gotta go for it

[astral kelp]

honestly yea if youre gonna use silk scarf might as well go banmd

[foggy lodge]

I found someone that forgor to put inner focus on their entei

[next stump]

ask your questions here, if it’s for double battles you’ll get good answers

[foggy lodge]

Intimidated tf outta it

[shadow wind]

I literally pinned it with Flutter yes

[left bobcat]

Don’t be shy you can ask here

[astral kelp]

yea band entei just insta loses to any ghost type

[left bobcat]

Which is why I go for life orb

[foggy lodge]

And specs miraidon to ground types

And urshifu scarf to water types or ghost types

[left bobcat]

And also to provide some defense to stall out

[dapper crag]

Okay I’m just in the beginnings of putting together a terra normal dragonite e speed team and I just want to throw it out there and get some feedback bc I’m new asf

[foggy lodge]

And scarf landorus to flying types

[shadow wind]

I have a lot of those on my team

Bronzong - Lando
Groudon - Miraidon
Flutter - EKiller

[dense latch]

there’s a strong calyrex shadow team rn with dragonite tera normal espeed

dnite goes really well with chien pao bc of sword of ruin

[shadow wind]

I love Paonite

People forgot how good it was

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/edfb1fb46cc47379

[left bobcat]

Eh me personally I’m more of a urshpao type of guy

[dapper crag]

My team right now is

Dragonite
Chien pao
Landorus
Incineroar
Urshifu rapid strike
Amoongus

It’s weak to fairy so I’d probably poison terra sludge bomb landorus but be brutal if necessary I want a legit good team

[foggy lodge]

You need a restricted

[dapper crag]

I’ve also heard calyrex shadow is very good

[dense latch]

@dapper crag check this team out

[left bobcat]

Eh just slap a Calyrex shadow and call it a day

[left bobcat]

That team is everywhere

But uhhhhhhh

[foggy lodge]

Dazzling gleam weezing is such an abomination for me

[left bobcat]

Damn I lost my train of thought

[foggy lodge]

It doesn't even kill like roaring moon istg

[dense latch]

yea i despise playing against it but it’s so strong

[foggy lodge]

I ended up putting strange steam

[left bobcat]

I made other versions of g weezing with different restricted and it works

I always boot out dragonite

[cyan smelt]

I just had an idea, what if I used sandy shocks gravity with Groudon

[left bobcat]

Yeah it’s been done before

With sing altaria/scream tail

[cyan smelt]

I wonder if I could make it outspeed miraidon

Oh not if next to whims

[left bobcat]

That’s why I go with prankster gravity sableye

[shadow wind]

Ah heck nah

[left bobcat]

Uh what 🐟

38.9%?

THATS IT?

[dapper crag]

So I’m gonna try this team out but I have a question. I’m not very experienced with terra so in what situation would I terra galar wheezing to water?

[left bobcat]

Fiyahhhh

[foggy lodge]

Its just a defensive tera type

[dapper crag]

Oh okay I figured but I wasn’t sure

[left bobcat]

Also for steel types to

[foggy lodge]

To things like calyrex ice, koraidon, groudon, calyrex shadow

[left bobcat]

And to tank glacial lances, take neutral from Lando, and uhhhhhhhhhhhh yes

[foggy lodge]

It just comes when you really need it to stay on the field more time

From my experience I tera mostly Dragonite or Hands

CSR picks up kos with tera ghost astral barrage too

Its a really fun team to use but people are way too prepared for it now

[left bobcat]

Yep

[foggy lodge]

Ability shield Tornadus got 2nd place at stockholm today

[left bobcat]

Same goes for that annoying miraidon team

[foggy lodge]

😭😭😭

[foggy lodge]

Every single Miraidon team is annoying

[left bobcat]

Ability shield comes in handy

I slap an ability shield on my h zoroark do get a double fake out

I mostly use it with ursh

[foggy lodge]

Sucker punching Farigiraf with this team is funny

[solid frigate]

thats like

Almost everyone here honestly

[foggy lodge]

I love the team honestly

[solid frigate]

ok i understand that nickname lmao

[left bobcat]

Eh true

I tried to make my miraidon really annoying

[solid frigate]

me who just uses Tang Core with Miraidon

[left bobcat]

By giving it leftovers calm mind and Sinistcha

And it really worked

I was able to get good results until-

[foggy lodge]

I can't wait to be super bullshit with Mamoswine Porygon2 in gs cup

[left bobcat]

I took a break and once I came back I was getting cooked

[solid frigate]

I'll run something like Iron Crown Roaring Moon for some reason

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/367c46230403078f

LET ME COOK

[atomic mural]

[foggy lodge]

116+ Atk Life Orb Mamoswine High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 12 Def Miraidon: 211-250 (101.9 - 120.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Like ?????

[left bobcat]

I’ll run something like uhhhhhhhhhh

Uhhhhhhhhhh hmmmmmmm

[foggy lodge]

@bold geode I know you will see the vision

[left bobcat]

I should really run more iron crown

I was always a crown and bundle believer

[solid frigate]

i am not letting you take my spot

Especially not with bundle :3

[foggy lodge]

Iron Crown Koraidon made top cut today

[astral kelp]

lol yeah

[foggy lodge]

Funny team

[left bobcat]

🐟

[solid frigate]

did it?

[foggy lodge]

The psyspam Koraidon team

[solid frigate]

wait hold up

[foggy lodge]

With Indeedee crown koraidon venusaur

[solid frigate]

ok fuck psyspam Crown actually

[left bobcat]

I’m THE bundle warrior

[foggy lodge]

The version of this one was tera water calm mind Crown

[left bobcat]

But I’ve been having to much fun trying silly ideas

[left bobcat]

Yep

[solid frigate]

ok calm mind is slightly interesting but like its psyspam so fuck that

[left bobcat]

Wait-

Oh wait nvm

[foggy lodge]

It just has one psyspam mode with crown indeedee

[left bobcat]

I thought I read Tera water blast calm mind I was like- just use ursh atp

[foggy lodge]

The rest is the typical koraidon hyper offense core

And annoying chlorophyll user

With Venusaur

[left bobcat]

The dumbest thing I’ve done was run the unexpected Tera water on shadow rider

[solid frigate]

wait this might be funny

Clefairy with Miraidon lmao

[foggy lodge]

Nah cuz urshifu water with Koraidon

[left bobcat]

Life Mountain Dew

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/83f487a020a00c2c

So far the new core i am making-

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/2b58457f0593396c

[left bobcat]

My favorite core will forever be incin ursh and Sinistcha

[solid frigate]

Miraidon drank Mountain dew as energy

[shadow wind]

That’s what I’m sayin

[foggy lodge]

I'm curious of why Venusaur and not just Jumpluff

[shadow wind]

Like I’m AV but they’re Lorb

[foggy lodge]

I guess is because Venusaur is way more offensive

[left bobcat]

Maybe offense

[shadow wind]

He don’t even got that much bulk

He’s max spatk and somewhat fast

[left bobcat]

Because what is jumpluff gonna do aside from tailwind, sleep powder, and encore

[solid frigate]

Being dumb

[shadow wind]

Rage powder !!

[left bobcat]

And rage powder

Most run a covert cloak/sash so one good taunt and you gotta switch

[bold geode]

I thought I was coping

Also @foggy lodge is Lorb Mirai a new wave or

[solid frigate]

i might as well not become a meta slave in the rest of the regulation

Cuz i am just too tired trying to make a Miraidon core that is not Arubega or Tang Core

[left bobcat]

Wait WHAT?

Lorb miraidon actually wait

Ah yes I see now

[shadow wind]

I’ve seen some run lorb

[solid frigate]

it can swap moves but i don't like it that much

its basically Koraidon syndrome

[left bobcat]

Life orb miraidon with parabolic charge, dragon pulse, calm mind and protect

[solid frigate]

no god no.

[left bobcat]

Ah yes I see it THE VISION

[left bobcat]

YES ARCEUS YES

[solid frigate]

back to the drawing board i go

[left bobcat]

I have an idea

[shadow wind]

I’ve seen it

It’s pretty strong with screens

[left bobcat]

Man who do I got to thank for making me come up with this idea

[shadow wind]

LeBron!!!

[left bobcat]

And I thought electric seed miraidon was doing me wonders

[solid frigate]

meanwhile me still doing specs

[left bobcat]

I’ve tried a lot of other different things

Specs is just idk-

Specs

[solid frigate]

i am trying to make a core that isn't something i used a lot like Tang Core

Or ever using Arubega cuz like appearently people can use random bullshit and made the same result as me in regionals

[left bobcat]

Leftovers, weakness policy, electric seed, scope lens dragon cheer, choice scarf

But damn I must be really slow if life orb didnt come to mind

[solid frigate]

none of them i would like cuz i tried Electric Seed and AV Miraidon before

WAY BEFORE Indianapolis

[bold geode]

Nah they're like regular Mirai but with Protect and Life Orb
No Calm Mind

[left bobcat]

Oh that’s right the av miraidon set I made ngl that shit was wack

[bold geode]

It's actually a bit interesting, idk why they do it

[left bobcat]

Yes THEY

[bold geode]

I also kept battling this team in GC with Torn Lando Mirai
Which was deadass way easier than Arubega

[left bobcat]

Calm mind makes it more annoying

[foggy lodge]

No you just run into it because you are sily

[craggy dagger]

has miraidon been climbing again?

[solid frigate]

i swear i can't do shit with limiting my options for a Miraidon team damn it-

[left bobcat]

Has it?

[craggy dagger]

i have no clue 😭

[left bobcat]

I’m ngl I haven’t exactly been paying attention to the scene for quite a while

[solid frigate]

not really i was just doing new core and nobody care cuz Arubega is just that good

[left bobcat]

I just lurk in chat to get all my info

[craggy dagger]

i have a team that’s 3/6 ice weak with one ice resist

[left bobcat]

And watch that guy on YouTube

[craggy dagger]

choice band entei goes brrrr

[foggy lodge]

Average Koraidon/Groudon experience

[solid frigate]

my brain does not allow me to make a new core but my instinct want to

[left bobcat]

The first team I made in reg was 5/6 weak to fairy

[craggy dagger]

sacred fire in the sun goes fucking crazy

[foggy lodge]

Average Shiliang Tang experience

[left bobcat]

Ikr I’ve become too reliant of my own gfw core that I have to somehow bring it into other teams

It took my a while to get used to not bringing Sinistcha and ursh to a team idea

[shadow wind]

Wait that perfectly describes my team as well

[left bobcat]

But Rocky helmet Sinistcha just claps ursh so idk

[craggy dagger]

i’ll share my ots ver of the team

https://pokepast.es/d1c9225671f26209

i’m liking groudon a lot ngl

[shadow wind]

Average Tornadus non believer

[solid frigate]

its more like

Nobody cares about my ideas cuz its almost always copy and pasted or its not interesting enough for people to even recognise

[spiral ridge]

Oooo

[left bobcat]

I care

(Even tho I don’t know what the ideas are)

[spiral ridge]

Groudon nice

[shadow wind]

I had a team similar to that, I liked it a lot

[solid frigate]

Miraidon Crown Roaring Moon.

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/47125424c1a5d6b9

This is my current team

[left bobcat]

Tbh it took me a while to not just automatically bring walking wake to a sun team idea

Instead it’s always raging bolt

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-here-throw-trash-garbage-gif-16402986

[left bobcat]

Oh- YEAH that core is so interesting

[solid frigate]

i doubt thats genuine...

[left bobcat]

The roaring moon be mooning because of that proto speed boost and umm the tailwind

Ah yes the tailwind

How could we not talk about the tailwind

[solid frigate]

like honestly why do i even care

VGC was suppose to be fun,engaging and helping people

But now its more like content farming which i hate a lot

[left bobcat]

Content farming? Really?

[solid frigate]

just tell me you don't care that honestly makes me better than lying to me

what can i say

[azure ether]

uhh do sash and defensive tera really go together?

[solid frigate]

As long as Arubega is still here i can't do anything to make Miraidon more interesting to people

[left bobcat]

I’m kidding of course it’s just it’s a lot to- (damn I can’t think of a pun)

[solid frigate]

and Terapagos already failed me

[left bobcat]

Relatable

Wait-

Meh

[solid frigate]

i played Turtle for almost a year

Pagos really did not have a unified team until the heatran core

[left bobcat]

The what

Heatran core? I was not aware of this

[solid frigate]

the heatran Scream Tail Pagos team

[left bobcat]

Never heard of it

[shadow wind]

I hate that core

[foggy lodge]

My beloved

[left bobcat]

I mean just by seeing scream tail yeah it’s bound to be annoying

[solid frigate]

before that core existed i can still think of anything about Pagos like Pagos Cresselia or Pagos Wo-Chien

but now i can't even innovate on my favourite restricted to pilot

[left bobcat]

Pagos, incin, Sinistcha, and uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[azure ether]

I always thought that specs turtle was the way to go

[solid frigate]

that was already a thing.

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/ae3f1f69facd5293

[left bobcat]

Pffff as if

METEOR BEAM

[foggy lodge]

This is my version and I'm really liking it

[left bobcat]

Oh

[solid frigate]

that was my first set that i try on Pagos.

[azure ether]

that's it's highest placement at NAIC finalist tho

[left bobcat]

I still find it crazy that Koraidon can learn meteor beam

[foggy lodge]

Specs is still good but plays differently

Got to semifinals at Vancouver recently

[solid frigate]

i'm sorry i am being depressed i just can't hold it anymore

[foggy lodge]

Calm mind is really strong imo but it feels tricky to play

Bold pagos is the way too

[solid frigate]

what makes you think I played CM Pagos for almost a year and trying to make it work a lot smoother

[azure ether]

is turtle too fast for TR?

[foggy lodge]

Eh

[azure ether]

like I've never seen HTR variants

[foggy lodge]

Its faster than max speed Incin

[solid frigate]

if Lunala has a TR mode then so does Turtle

[foggy lodge]

Oh yeah it's kinda fast

[craggy dagger]

@charred saddle
scarf pagos :3

[solid frigate]

Nova Shut up.

[foggy lodge]

Base 85 and you can't be 0 speed iv

The most you can get is quiet

[solid frigate]

i already ranted about Scarf pagos suck

i do not want to do this again

[craggy dagger]

:((((
but it wasn’t my idea

[foggy lodge]

Pagos needs a 50% boost to hit

[solid frigate]

😠 idc it sucks

[left bobcat]

GASP

[craggy dagger]

:(((

i’ll take my leave then

[left bobcat]

Friends lettuce not

Lettuce not fight friends

[solid frigate]

i legit can't keep my cool when the entire regulation none of my plans mattered

[left bobcat]

Well it be like that sometimes

[azure ether]

you'll get em in the next regulation

[molten oasis]

yall scared off nova

how'd yall do that

[left bobcat]

Yall?

[solid frigate]

no its more like just me

[molten oasis]

yea Y A L L

[left bobcat]

I know not of this “yall” you speak of

[molten oasis]

you all, yall

[left bobcat]

Hello YALL ARE YOU HERE?

[solid frigate]

its just me who scared of nova cuz i don't want to hear about Scarf Pagos after what i am just raging about

[left bobcat]

YALLLLL HELLOOOOO

[azure ether]

the idea of HTR pagos was too scary, I admit

[solid frigate]

i tried

it really does not help your sanity

[left bobcat]

I’m ngl I was gonna bring up scarf pagos one time but I knew chat was gonna grill me

[solid frigate]

no its more like just me who grill you

[left bobcat]

Really?

[solid frigate]

i am just not in a good mood

[azure ether]

don't worry, Reg I could just be like Reg G but with dexit

/s

[left bobcat]

Just relax don’t worry about it

It’s all ok

[solid frigate]

i honestly really can't when i was left behind

[left bobcat]

Hmmm left behind?

[solid frigate]

i should've not gone to Birmingham-

[azure ether]

would you like to take some time off?

[left bobcat]

Just take some time off

[dense latch]

lowkey would like reg f repeat for reg i if we’re getting worlds 2026 in sv

never got to try reg f joined too late

[azure ether]

watch a movie, maybe. I heard Snow White was quite something

[solid frigate]

its peak dw

[azure tapir]

Does anyone have the link for explaining sweepers, attackers, screeners and such? Trying to get deeper into comp and I need more knowledge

[left bobcat]

Man I was sooooooo good in reg f

Then again I was also so bad

Imagine losing 44 games back to back

[solid frigate]

i'll just play some JRPG to cool me down

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

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Command triggered by treeco.. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[rustic mountain]

@azure tapir id check this out ^

[solid frigate]

hey Tree

[rustic mountain]

yo

[left bobcat]

Of course do what you need/want to do

[shadow wind]

Xenoblade XDE just came out

[azure tapir]

You're the goat

[left bobcat]

Honestly i stopped caring about my results the moment I started to get so mad about it

[solid frigate]

i have no money and i am broke

I'll just play Xenoblade 2

Maybe do another new game+

[azure tapir]

Gonna reply so I have this for later

[shadow wind]

2 is my personal favourite

[solid frigate]

we talked about it before

[shadow wind]

We definitely have

[left bobcat]

Spring is on the horizon (see what I did there) so I’m definitely gonna go to the beach during my 6 hour breaks from school

[dense latch]

i think the first resource (vgcguide) fits what u were asking for pretty well

it’s a good read

[azure tapir]

Ty

[gentle crag]

mobofett has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp

[left bobcat]

All because it’s a good way to relax from vgc

[solid frigate]

i think the only reason i want to just chill out cuz nobody would care a meta slave who is mediocre at best

And i don't want to be angry about myself

[shadow wind]

Pretty much how I view it too

[solid frigate]

hey at least you get people to know you are something

I don't have that luxury

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-delivery-community-fire-gif-5219358

[azure ether]

don't worry, you're definitely better than a meta slave that can't even play for shit (speaking from experience)

[solid frigate]

Monke gimme a slice of Pizza

[rustic mountain]

this isnt even applicable lmao

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[shadow wind]

Yeah I was going to say that's why I have restricted myself to Groudon

[bold geode]

How ya doin Tree

[solid frigate]

its more like just me being a total depressed person rn

But no worries i'll be better soon

[foggy lodge]

Just beated a 1570 player while on 1370 on bo3

[rustic mountain]

im ight hbu

[foggy lodge]

What a silly matchmaking

[bold geode]

Ight
Working on content for the first time in a while

[foggy lodge]

I could have lost from glacial lance crit in the endgame but we take it

[rustic mountain]

its fine to feel wat ur feeling but use it as a motivator in the long run

[left bobcat]

Welp im gonna relax by listening to Caribbean music then fall asleep

[dense latch]

nice

[bold geode]

Y'all are gonna wanna read this shit when it comes out

[dense latch]

how much elo did u get

[rustic mountain]

better not be rayquaza

[left bobcat]

Later chat

[bold geode]

No no LOL

[solid frigate]

its not ray i promise you

[rustic mountain]

ok cool

[bold geode]

Just GC team stuff

[foggy lodge]

Like 25😭

It was a very weird team

[rustic mountain]

honestly havent had the time to compete in the last 3 gcs which kinda sucks but also i dont have to play 3 gcs

[foggy lodge]

Hard TR with Indeedee sash and Farigiraf

[dense latch]

you got robbed lowkey

[shadow wind]

I forgot how congested Bo3 ladder was

[solid frigate]

the only thing i done in this GC is Greninja

[dense latch]

this was what i got after an uppairing when i was lower in bo3

[rustic mountain]

in terms of what like using it?

[bold geode]

Good for you lil buddy

[rustic mountain]

thats a significant difference in rank

makes sense ud get more points

[shadow wind]

Yeah the other way is not very fun

[dense latch]

yea but still

[solid frigate]

its in Rental teams

[dense latch]

200 point diff feels like it should be more than 25 elo

[astral kelp]

do you lose unburden if ryou switch out?

[shadow wind]

I think I got like +8 earlier

[shadow wind]

Yes

[foggy lodge]

Oh Iron Leaves is top 3 of bo3 ladder rn lmao

[dense latch]

i was 1520 in bo3 today then got downpaired into oblivion 😭

[shadow wind]

Real

I have been getting downpaired so heavily today

[foggy lodge]

I have never got over 1500 on bo3 im unironically jealous

But I'm kinda messing around with teams rn

[dense latch]

like all i face are high 1300s low 1400s

[shadow wind]

I've played a couple 1500s today

But very few

[dense latch]

i’ve only made it there bc i’ve been running the same team the whole reg

[shadow wind]

Yeah I still don't know how you've been managing that

[rustic mountain]

roughly 230 tho to 200 and idt it was a flat 200 difference and id imagine its seperated into brackets somewhat, if u lose to someone in a certain bracket, that increase could be even greater

[dense latch]

still don’t know my lines that well which is kinda crazy but we ball

[shadow wind]

I would've gone crazy

[cyan smelt]

god those are some high gxes

[dense latch]

i just really like regieleki

[shadow wind]

I mean I really really like Groudon

And I still change teams every other day it feels

[dense latch]

but im trying to move away from the navjit six

[rustic mountain]

but dont they all have groudon

[dense latch]

i saw a top 4 seniors team from stockholm looked really nice

[shadow wind]

Yeah pretty much

[dense latch]

yea honestly i wasn’t onto much there lmao that’s a fair point, you tend to get more elo at lower points despite pairings and stuff too

[rustic mountain]

yea

[astral kelp]

man i just lost a game because i didnt know this rip

[rustic mountain]

if u wanna avoid pair downs (barring it just being slim pickings on the ladder at the time) dont let the search function sit for too long otherwise it starts looking for players outside ur direct pool of rank

[dense latch]

the imprison cir with no tr is interesting

[rustic mountain]

same thing for cart ladder but u can actually cancel and re search on sd

[shadow wind]

Why does your paste look like that?

[dense latch]

it’s from pokedata

[rustic mountain]

y doesnt ur paste look like that

[shadow wind]

Ahhhh ok

Yo I just got this guy twice with Game 1 and 2 tera and non tera Groudon vs Ogerpon Corner

I love 50/50s

[dense latch]

instead of complaining about downpairings i prob shouldnt focus all that much on
my elo

[shadow wind]

Man it just ain't enough !!!

[dense latch]

so close damn

[shadow wind]

I will continue to complain about down pairings till the day I die (I should've just had a better GXE)

72 ain't even terrible for me

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2326529489-q8avlotirm0qvwaxtuawsf7pymp4scwpw
fuck man how do i deal with urshifu

[shadow wind]

Apparently 72 is too low for Bo3 though

[astral kelp]

i lost turn 2 there it hnikk

[feral valley]

burn it

[rustic mountain]

i think its fine to look at ur elo to assess how u are generally doing but its better to focus on ur actual play regardless and just look at ways to improve that, the elo comes with that

[dense latch]

anything 70+ is a W for me

[rustic mountain]

i have yet to hit 80 tho ive gotten close

[astral kelp]

like this position is just over

literally nothing i can do

[shadow wind]

You and me both pal

[rustic mountain]

itll happen

[astral kelp]

yo connor what do i think i shouldve done

[dense latch]

80% gxe sounds insane

[astral kelp]

on turn 3

[rustic mountain]

it is very insane haha

ur absolutely killing it if u hit that

[dense latch]

this is where im at rn with the alt im laddering with

[rustic mountain]

nice

[shadow wind]

Still 2 games off

But I was close

[dense latch]

i’d be so pissed

[shadow wind]

I've hit 79% like 3 times but that 80 is just too tricky

[rustic mountain]

yea ive gotten 78-79 a handful of times but 80 has eluded me

[shadow wind]

I've seen an influx of Koraidons

[dense latch]

might be time to pull out a few dozen alts and try and go undefeated for a bit

[rustic mountain]

its usually not one many ppl on the ladder hit tbf tho

[shadow wind]

That 23-3 was my best record

I wonder if that Landorus was ok

[dense latch]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

homie got eroded

[solid frigate]

thats

Just sad

[shadow wind]

Tera water my goat 🙏

Gun to my head

252+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Incineroar: 160-190 (79.2 - 94%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Now that's crazy

This calls for an offensive item on bolt

Nah

I like Bolt living 18 Water spouts

252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 236 HP / 20 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt in Rain: 93-111 (40.4 - 48.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[foggy lodge]

Zamazenta Koraidon and CSR Dozogiri all in a row while playing pagos balance

Thanks reg g for your match up roulette lmao

[shadow wind]

😔

Showdown even tried to give me a little boost

Yknow what

It's close enough for now

Nah

It ain't close enough

Now this is a certified Bo3 moment

Bronzong has officially done it

He's brought happiness to VGC once more

How life feels when using Bronzong

[mighty stump]

i havr gotten 80 ONE time

[shadow wind]

What Reg?

[gentle crag]

woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
Posting this everywherer cause I can but I finally achieved one of my few goals in VGC and that's to get 80% GXE

Command triggered by woodtofu. Message from · Jan 23, 2024, 11:41 AM

[mighty stump]

I assume it was H

[shadow wind]

What was the win loss like?

Also awesome job

[mighty stump]

like cuz its January

[shadow wind]

Yeah probably H

[bold geode]

It was F

[mighty stump]

F

[shadow wind]

2024 Jan

Not 2025 Jan

[mighty stump]

Yea 24 not 25

[bold geode]

I remember that moment

[mighty stump]

Slay

[shadow wind]

It's actually nuts

[mighty stump]

But yea

I was so ecstatic

[shadow wind]

Anyone would be

[mighty stump]

lemme check w/l

[shadow wind]

80 is like

Unbelievable

[mighty stump]

39-9

[shadow wind]

Holy

That's sick

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/26520c6d126d4253

the team

[shadow wind]

I miss the calm mind bolt days

[mighty stump]

Unhinged Sableye set

[shadow wind]

Feint is funny

Also why do most people not run min speed Amoonguss?

[mighty stump]

I run 27 IV

Outspeeds minspeed

Underspeed CIR still

[bold geode]

Now they just run 27 IV to essentially move before CIR in TR

[shadow wind]

Ah ok

So my plan of sleeping them before they sleep me is somewhat consistent

Oh yeah wait Tofu could you look at a team of mine real quick?

Nothing crazy in depth just a "That's stupid" or a "That's interesting"

https://pokepast.es/6eeb5c6862b9ecdd

If you do have any advice lemme know

[mighty stump]

Looks fine to me

Sash RM feels more Sun dependent though

As in you can’t lead it on it’s own

[shadow wind]

Yeah I was torn between Sash and Booster

[mighty stump]

I played an unhinged Groudon team I made which I deleted quickly on because of the inaccuracy

Scarf Tera Ground Groudon

CoCloak Venu

Life Orb Max Speed Raging Bolt

Gravity Sableye

[shadow wind]

I've played Max speed scarf Bolt before

[mighty stump]

But it was funny

[shadow wind]

And that's 90% of the game

Funny is good

Scarf Groudon was always interesting to me cause Gouging fire is exactly one speed point faster

I just watched a game of Smeargle Muk and they guy just didn't miss

[cyan smelt]

I'm having trouble team building, feels like I can't come up with anything good

[shadow wind]

Good ol' builders' block

[cyan smelt]

Wanted to try stealth rock yawn but miraidon is everywhere

[shadow wind]

Just using Weezing

Problem solved

[cyan smelt]

And d gleam does tons to ting lu

[shadow wind]

I think draco meteor should do bonus damage in gravity, it just makes sense

[cyan smelt]

Probably need to re read vgc guide again and see if I can finally understand what they're talking about

[shadow wind]

I don't think I ever looked at any VGC guides, I wonder if they're any good

[cyan smelt]

I think the one by wolfey and Cybertron and Aaron Traylor is good

[shadow wind]

Probably yeah

I kinda just threw myself in the deep end

Worked eventually

[cyan smelt]

It feels like no matter how much I read and watch and play I'm just not getting it

[shadow wind]

Maya and Fuchsia did help me a lot though so it wasn't like I did it on my own

Truly the goats for that 🙏

I get what you mean though

If I'm on a tilt climb it feels like I'm just clicking buttons

Haven't tilt climbed in a while which I am thankful for

I'm trying to cut those off before they get going

AH HECK NAH

[cyan smelt]

I feel like I'm just clicking buttons most of the time, I'm not thinking about my plays and I'm not planning ahead, sometimes I get lucky and make some reads but most of the time just yeah feel like I'm clicking buttons

[shadow wind]

Lowkey reads are easier than positioning

I've now seen it all

Positioning sucks

I feel like I just get lucky a lot of the time

Which is not how it should be

[cyan smelt]

It feels really hard to find/build a team for this meta

[shadow wind]

It's a very hard thing to teach

Yeah it's all really centralized

Which is why I get to have fun with busted mons like Groudon

Games like Pokemon are very strange at their core

Especially the competitive scene

Like you wanna win but to what extent do you want to win?

Are you desperate enough to be a meta bot?

In my opinion you’ll do better with mons you like, obviously there’s going to be exceptions but mentality is 90% of Pokémon

[cyan smelt]

at this stage idc i'm out of ideas

[shadow wind]

When I’m out of ideas I revisit old ones, see what worked and what didn’t

[cyan smelt]

none of my ideas work

[shadow wind]

I gave up on Bronzong a while ago but now I’ve come back around to him

You could always use someone else’s idea and expand on it

Like I didn’t think of Groudon Bronzong all on my own

I saw someone use it way back in Reg G 1 and thought it was awesome

[mighty stump]

Originality is overrated lol

[cyan smelt]

maybe i could try coaching caly-i or something

[shadow wind]

Literally

You’ll never be original so don’t worry about it

But you can inventive

Take something someone already made and refine it

If you spend your whole life searching for something new you’ll only be disappointed

I tried that and man it sucks

Everything has already been done

Which is why I’m now more focused on being the best with my teams

[cyan smelt]

feels like zama has fallen off recently which is not good because it's what i've been practising with

[shadow wind]

I hate facing Zama

I actually haven’t played a lot of them with this new team

Probably my hardest MU

[cyan smelt]

zama feels no good with lando and volc and miraidon around

[shadow wind]

I don’t see too many Volcs around but Lando I could see

[mighty stump]

Hate Miraidon

[cyan smelt]

there was the regional team with volc and urshifu which seems designed to check zama

[mighty stump]

Cheesemon

[cyan smelt]

and rilla

[shadow wind]

You do?

[mighty stump]

Not really

[shadow wind]

Oh like Zama does?

Zama hates single target Restricteds

[cyan smelt]

ditto and zacian is also hard

[shadow wind]

Zacian? Really?

[cyan smelt]

sacred sword

[shadow wind]

How often do they run that?

[cyan smelt]

it's play rough, b-blade and 3rd move is either tera blast ground or sacred sword

[shadow wind]

True

And you can’t really Tera out of it

[cyan smelt]

i was using skeledirge but i can't if they have tera blast ground

and lando is tera water so i can't use ice or water moves on it

and it's faster than rilla

[charred saddle]

[astral kelp]

comfey my beloved

252+ SpA Fairy Feather Tera-Fairy Comfey Draining Kiss vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 168-200 (95.4 - 113.6%) -- 81.25% chance to OHKO hehehe

[shadow wind]

That sure is a calc

It really needs fairy feather and Tera fairy?

Most Urshifu will probably tera out of it

[charred saddle]

i mean then again

ursh SpD is shit

[shadow wind]

That’s why I’m shocked it takes so much

An offensive Tera + an offensive item

Man I like wanna climb ladder some more

I probably shouldn’t though

I hit a 100s checkpoint so it’s probably fine for me to chill

[cyan smelt]

if i try and play i bet i'll run into that mirai and volc team again

[shadow wind]

And especially since the elo gain is like +10 at best

[shadow wind]

I love fighting that team

Although to be fair I love fighting most teams

I’m in it for the battle so I just enjoy games

A game that gets me thinking is a good game

[cyan smelt]

if it's not that it'll be something with lando

[shadow wind]

The last game I played went game 3 and I almost threw because I forgot they tera’d already

[astral kelp]

i think i just had the most ungodly terrible matchup ever

like how tf do i even win this matchup

ahhh i guess sneazler isnt right for this team

[cyan smelt]

oh the wolfey team

[astral kelp]

yeah someone said it earlier

that the matchup against that would be awful lmao

[cyan smelt]

cycle parting shot with tera ghost incin

[astral kelp]

bru im running tera flying covert cloak 💀

[cyan smelt]

why

[azure ether]

well at the very least you can hope that they can't pilot it like Wolfey could

[cyan smelt]

helmet or goggles

[astral kelp]

plus it doesnt matter because if terapagos dies i just lose

oh yeah i can give it the goggles back

[cyan smelt]

cycle fake outs with u-turn rilla and parting shot incin

[astral kelp]

i took them off because fari didnt have any better options

[astral kelp]

i tried something similiar

[cyan smelt]

but terapagos won't be able to set up with perish trap

[astral kelp]

the problem is that if they get perish song off i just lose because of terapagos

and im running extra bulky rapagos so i dont have the damage to kill goth

maybe i should run dark shifu

or chiyu

because sneasler is great but his damage is just not it

relies on tera

wb roaring moon thoughts?

i dont really need tailwind

fast rock slide is kinda crazy

i have an idea

252 Atk Tera-Poison Greninja Gunk Shot vs. 180 HP / 84 Def Tera-Fairy Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 180-212 (90.9 - 107%) -- 50% chance to OHKO ehhh

its pretty good

oh wait greninja is a special attacker wtf???

@solid frigate what should i run for greninja?

i want a more supportive build

[solid frigate]

mmmm i tried this set,it does not go too well during testing

offensive sets work a lot better imo

[astral kelp]

i feel like hes kinda too squishy for this

[solid frigate]

because he is Frail

[astral kelp]

252 SpA Greninja Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Farigiraf: 152-182 (66.9 - 80.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

oh well i tried lol

[solid frigate]

try Specs

specs literally solve everything for Greninja’s Protean Set

Greninja @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protean
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hydro Pump
• Grass Knot
• Dark Pulse
• Ice Beam

[astral kelp]

lol

its always funny when that happens

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Farigiraf: 230-272 (101.3 - 119.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

hmmm okay ill try it

[solid frigate]

i usually check the calc

on restricteds

[astral kelp]

farigirafe is a pretty big threat to my team cuz i really rely on prio moves

[solid frigate]

Then just not use prio moves against it?

pretty sure wood hammer+spread move kills

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-everybody-simpsons-wave-gif-12144219

[craggy dagger]

hai

[mint void]

Is that litteral gambling

[mint void]

Morning

[charred saddle]

whats with this 6?

[mighty stump]

Looks like a mash of Fiero and the Lunala team

[charred saddle]

i matched with that team 3 times in a row

all the same set from what i saw

[foggy lodge]

Riopaser's team

It got second at stockholm

[charred saddle]

ahh icic

[cyan smelt]

must be a good team then

[charred saddle]

no shit

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it's very solid

[charred saddle]

its funny that i went 2-1 to that team

[foggy lodge]

Its ability shield Tornadus btw lol

[cyan smelt]

276 players registered for brisbane yikes

[charred saddle]

and the only reason i lost is fucking tera rockpon ivy cudgel crits

mother fucker

[charred saddle]

the fuck is that for

[cyan smelt]

i assume the ability shield torn is for geezing caly?

[charred saddle]

yeah but its so niche

theres more FO than geezing caly

[foggy lodge]

He wants just a specific line against weezing CSR

Like Tornadus Lunala tailwind turn 1

[charred saddle]

geezing doesnt stop protosynthesis to happen right?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it does

[charred saddle]

oh damn

[charred saddle]

wont csr teraing out also a problem then

[foggy lodge]

It deactivates proto boost even when it arlready happened

[charred saddle]

hmm nvm i think i remembered this being patched out back then ye

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but I guess he knows the line better

Like tailwind tera fairy moongeist to survive and put it in range of bleakwind next

[charred saddle]

then csr protects and just poison move to lunala

or swap out to other mon

[foggy lodge]

And you read it and you calm mind

I think the tornadus lunala line is strong into it

[charred saddle]

idk, it feels so weird

maybe ye

if only regionals keep every game recording

and share to public after finishing the event

[cyan smelt]

lunala doing well recently

[charred saddle]

i want to watch some of the specific MUs

[mighty stump]

@charred saddle

some t16 team

[charred saddle]

hmm swap out oger and watershifu

yk whats one of the most surprising things ive played today?

coaching zama to a fucking flutter

[solid frigate]

Dengo Moment

[astral kelp]

aw man

[astral kelp]

playing showdown on mobile is craaazy

[real prairie]

I know the feels, dropped from 1600 to 1500 this morning

[astral kelp]

this team went from feeling insane to feeling dogshit its crazy lmao

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/i-like-turtles-zombie-kid-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-tortoise-tortuga-gif-16340543

[astral kelp]

turtoo squad

[real prairie]

i got cooked my the turtles

[astral kelp]

waitr really

ahhh now i want to make a new team lol

my idea well is SO empty

[real prairie]

good game from me: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2326709025

[astral kelp]

that poor terapagos

just got stuck on calm mind for the rest of the game

[real prairie]

dunno why he thought his turtle would outspeed

[astral kelp]

im guessing he just didnt expect encore

leeeets try this

wth\

[tiny karma]

Move: First Impression

Fails unless it is the user's first turn on the field.

Type

Bug

Category

Physical

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

2

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

first impression is lethal if you don't expect it

[astral kelp]

pertty fun

not even mad

jeez

rayquaza barely feeling like a restricted

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/rizabeth373/status/1904092470813843908

Érizabeth (@rizabeth373) on X

今回のGC,実はWolfey と当たってた！ギッリギリの激しい戦いだった…🫠

X · Mar 24, 2025, 8:46 AM

[gentle crag]

Result: 356.000000

Result: 353.600000

[real prairie]

wow, okay fair

[next stump]

GAGNE!

PERDU...

[real prairie]

where did wolfe finish GC?

[next stump]

he privated the stream :/

[real prairie]

oh

[next stump]

he's gotta chase the bag

[real prairie]

understandable

[mint void]

lokix resistet moves do more dmg

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 920: Lokix

Types

Bug/Dark

Abilities

Swarm, Tinted Lens (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

71/102/78/52/55/92

Total

450

Sableye version 4.28.1

Ability: Tinted Lens

This Pokemon's attacks that are not very effective on a target deal double damage.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

Ohhhh

That makes so much more sense

[tiny karma]

Ability: Swarm

When this Pokemon has 1/3 or less of its maximum HP, rounded down, its offensive stat is multiplied by 1.5 while using a Bug-type attack.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

Oh that's SO ass kek

[left bobcat]

Hmmmmm

[languid aspen]

Heya has anyone got some rough idea on how to play Singles vgc? Cause i wanted to get into it a bit and i dont rky know the meta and how to Set up the right pokemon

[mint void]

technically there is no VGC

[languid aspen]

Well alright how to play Singles

The single Ladder in the game

[mint void]

For smogon I have a rough idea but like...BSS I am cooked.

[languid aspen]

Is the meta that different in the two

Because i Tried some ideas in Showdown but i just cant get behind ist