competitive_discussion

[foggy lodge]

Yeah bo1 teams can work sometimes for bo3

[astral kelp]

i didnt realize mistdy explosino fucking SUCKS tho what the hell

[foggy lodge]

Most japanese teams come from bo1

[astral kelp]

it only hits one unit???

[foggy lodge]

Tang's teal mask ogerpon team from worlds came from bo1

[atomic mural]

it does get 1.5x stronger in misty terrain

[astral kelp]

150 bp

[atomic mural]

yeah its not very good

[astral kelp]

on 85 spa

i might as well just use explosion thats so sad :(

[foggy lodge]

And misty terrain doesn't boost fairy moves damage

💔

[astral kelp]

yeah like why notttt

[foggy lodge]

Well it would have been broken

[left bobcat]

TERA FAIRY CHOICE SPECS BEADS OF RUIN

[rustic mountain]

yea thats the main format for them qualifying most times but they usually have some crazy techs that sometimes get shifted a bit for a more optimized bo3 team

[foggy lodge]

Xernead on mysty terrain

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[astral kelp]

free tera with mimicry?

[foggy lodge]

I feel so bad for asian players imagine your way to qualify for worlds is with a bo1 tournament

[astral kelp]

nvm

[foggy lodge]

💔

[astral kelp]

LOL

[rustic mountain]

yea

[atomic mural]

then people use gimick teams that only work once

[rustic mountain]

the fact they mainly do bo1 and still pull up for bo3 and kill it is impressive

but again shows that bo1 and bo3 really arent as drastically different as ppl think

[foggy lodge]

And that's the most impressive part they don't even play the format that the rest of the world does ane they are still the best region

[astral kelp]

maybe you can combo it with something that self inflicts a volotile effect?

[foggy lodge]

It just doesn't work

[astral kelp]

yeahhh

tragic

[foggy lodge]

Btw top 8 team from the VR lmao https://pokepast.es/d363fee53256b2f7

[atomic mural]

thats alot of copies

[foggy lodge]

That's a fucking aqua jet walking wake

istg

[astral kelp]

wth

[atomic mural]

[astral kelp]

oh its discharge picachu lol

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/d78eff94bd4df994

I am donig this.

[rustic mountain]

me wen reg i isnt double restricted:

[solid frigate]

it would be funny

but depressing

[rustic mountain]

im mostly kidding

its likely itll be that

[solid frigate]

i think Wo-Chien Can do something with MiraiOgre

[spiral ridge]

So much speed and good bit of Aggro and then just
The nefarious snail

[solid frigate]

thats for Kyogre lmao

[spiral ridge]

I know just funny

[solid frigate]

tbf i can stop TR with Roaring moon(Hopefully)

[spiral ridge]

If you want chien as TR thing why not sus?

[solid frigate]

the whole point is to be faster than Kyogre so TR option is kinda out of the Window

+Moon has taunt

[spiral ridge]

Yeah I know chien kyo combo just was tad confused when you mentioned TR

[solid frigate]

taunt roaring moon is the one who stops TR

well

[left bobcat]

Yeah

But taunt ursh is better

[solid frigate]

technically and hypothetically speaking

If CIR is not Tera Water i can just Spout that thing easily

or did not tera

156+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 208 HP / 24 SpD Calyrex-Ice in Rain: 130-154 (64.6 - 76.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

Solid enough to let Roaring Moon or any of my attacker finish my job

[left bobcat]

Most of them Tera water when they see Kyogre

[solid frigate]

in which could potentially buy me some time

since i am just gonna

Pollen Puff spam

[left bobcat]

Yes

[solid frigate]

https://x.com/Toronto_VGC/status/1901451738588033258?t=GB8VLSuV5nB9gmmMu2N3_g&s=19

Guys

TorontoVGC (@Toronto_VGC) on X

Thornhill League Challenge Results: March 16 2025

X · Mar 17, 2025, 1:53 AM

Giratina won something

[atomic mural]

epic

[solid frigate]

giratina won something before Groudon in reg g which is tragic but funny

[chrome knot]

everyone takes a break for ONE WEEK and this happens

[cyan smelt]

two giratinas in top 4 lol

wait is that hoodra in 2nd

[solid frigate]

hell Giratina is my fav legendary Pokemon i am proud of it doing that well in league challenge

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/96b4c69c41fb45e3 i feel confident in this team for double restricted with everything but ev sets and move sets

[chrome knot]

Eric also ran leech seed sub cir LMAO

[cyan smelt]

toxapex in top 4 wut

[solid frigate]

unless its small challenge

or its just people forgot giratina exists

but eh i am proud

[ornate bridge]

ok, but how in the hell did giratina win

[solid frigate]

small challenge+Funni

and its Physical Giratina as well cuz Chien Pao

[ornate bridge]

yeah makes sense lol

was it ddance?

[solid frigate]

probably not i think

Giratina usually can't set up properly

[atomic mural]

poltergeist giratina

[solid frigate]

cuz CIR and CSR can nuke it or Double up

[solid frigate]

thats the most backwards comment on creation Trio in VGC

[foggy lodge]

I think Dialga can be good

Doesn't insta die to Miraidon

The bad thing about Dialga CIR is Zamazenta

[atomic mural]

caly ice miraidon seems really fun but i can never find a team that i like using

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Adamant Crystal Dialga-Origin Flash Cannon vs. 204 HP / 28 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 156-186 (77.6 - 92.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Lustrous Globe Palkia-Origin Spacial Rend vs. 204 HP / 28 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 99-117 (49.2 - 58.2%) -- 60.2% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Griseous Core Giratina-Origin Poltergeist vs. 204 HP / 4 Def Tablets of Ruin Calyrex-Ice: 126-150 (62.6 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

Closest one is still Dialga lmao

[solid frigate]

don't you know why i try Lando and Ogerpon in that team

Cuz of that fat Dog

[left bobcat]

Who’s the fat dog?

This guy?

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2321367505-981uor9btwu5bpsojxxh2w5jbbm7slepw
why did i not think of this team in bham

like it feels good to pilot

[craggy dagger]

keep in mind

closed team sheets

[azure ether]

We're a mickey mouse region wcyd

[mighty stump]

didney worl

[cyan smelt]

if champions doesn't have the ability to record replays then heaps of people will still use showdown instead

[real prairie]

id imagine the switch 2 would facilitate it more than ingame like the PS and Xbox do now recording your last hour of gameplay etc, but either way i dont think SD is going anywhere because of its ease of facility, Champions wont be compatible with things like PASRS etc

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but Nintendo might decide to do a C&d

[astral kelp]

i hope they dont randomly give switch 2 exclusive ganmes

could you imagine how lame that would be

guys we have an anouncement
ZA is a switch 2 exclusive!!!!!

[knotty mirage]

That's why i don't like switch 2 coming too soon because if that the case i need to spend like 600$ just to get the new pokemon game

[torn parrot]

I’m not excited for new consoles

When I see a new console the only thing I see is a new price tag

[astral kelp]

yeah like its so fcuking big now

and we know its gonna be a billion dolla

im thinking that a9 might not actually need sash
its lowkey kinda tanky

[torn parrot]

Pick a console and stick with it for the next decade and a half and never change please

We’ve already hit peak

there’s nowhere else to go but prettier games

[astral kelp]

theyve kinda done that with the switch

its technology is so shit tho

its like a phone lowkey

[torn parrot]

That’s true it’s hardware isn’t great

[torn parrot]

Uh

I think it maybe is nearly the same lol

[astral kelp]

it legit is

[torn parrot]

lots of phone games are switch games

They’re making a phone game that’s a switch game

actually there’s a million of them

I kinda wonder how the switch could even handle breath of the wild

[astral kelp]

its okay

not that laggy

whats that one game all the weirdos like

with a gambling addiction

[torn parrot]

Every gacha game ever

[astral kelp]

that game has similiar thing than botw in terms of graphics slightlyt worse i think but its fully a phone ganme

[torn parrot]

Genshin impact

[astral kelp]

tbf its a 7 year old console

[torn parrot]

I didn’t consider the fact that genshin impact exists

[astral kelp]

the best phone in 2017 was like a note 8

[torn parrot]

And there’s like no points in genshin impact where you load into a new parts of the world right

Except towns maybe?

I don’t remember

[astral kelp]

im not sure

i played it once ages ago when this girl i was into was obsessed with it lmao

[torn parrot]

now I’m starting to think breath of the wild can be run on phone

I think it can

[astral kelp]

definitevly

[torn parrot]

Okay

The switch is a phone for real

[astral kelp]

tho

genshin is optomized for phones

botw wouldnt be

so idk they would have to change it

phones use opengl

most of the time i think

apparantly what switch uses is under nda nvm

wouldnt be opengl ?

[solid frigate]

this is why i only play Star rail as my only Gacha game cuz Genshin is worse than BoTW in EVERY WAY

i'm a fucking BoTW and ToTK Hardliner

[torn parrot]

Tcg pocket is my only gacha game

Cus I don’t have to do anything

[astral kelp]

lmao\

based take

[solid frigate]

fair enough

[astral kelp]

wait can you actually play the card game on tcg pocket

[torn parrot]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

yeah but different rules and stuff

[torn parrot]

they’re adding ranked in like 2 weeks

[astral kelp]

oh lame

ive beenm kinda wanting to get into tcg

i used to play a lot of yugioh and was obsessed with legends of runeterra

its just the energy system kinda putting me off

[solid frigate]

would not recommend go comp on two games unless you are Sejun Park (He competed for ALL events)

Wait i did play 2 comp games,just not all are from Pokemon

[torn parrot]

Tch pocket is kinda like tcg for 10 year olds

decks are 20 cards
All the cards are super simplified ussually having only 1 attack, abilities are rare, 2 attacks are rare

And you get energy every turn (this one feature is how normal tcg should be I WANT THIS, this is a masisive improvement, irl card game people should have a rule where you get energy every turn)

[solid frigate]

dialga deck peak

[torn parrot]

I enjoy fighting decks the most

Cus they get right down to business

[solid frigate]

idk i never picked up TCG pocket cuz i am doing 2 comp games+School is pain

[cyan smelt]

the gible drop event sure was annoying with lucario boosting everything

i don't think i've pulled garchomp ex yet

[torn parrot]

Garchomp is really cool

I love the art where he’s FIGHTING ARCEUS

That’s so cool

[cyan smelt]

i haven't pulled immersive arceus yet, i've pulled rainbow arceus but not immersive

[torn parrot]

I havnt pulled that either

Meanwhile my friend pulled 2

[cyan smelt]

jealous

[torn parrot]

And a golden one ):<

2 immersives and a golden

Me too but not really

I don’t really care about arceus

I like garchomp and gallade

[cyan smelt]

i still need manaphy and palkia so i can do a misty deck

[torn parrot]

O yeah I’m also looking for those guys

You got any starmies?

[cyan smelt]

yes one i think

[torn parrot]

There’s a pretty successful palkia deck that only uses 1 palkia 2 starmies and nothing else

It’s pretty wild

[cyan smelt]

i might have two starmies

[torn parrot]

Oh they’re starmie exs wanted to specify

[cyan smelt]

yep got those i'm pretty sure

at least palkia can be relevant in one metagame

[solid frigate]

Palkia could be relevant in Double res wdym-

[cyan smelt]

atm i've only seen it next to ursaluna for telepathy eq spam

in tr

[solid frigate]

Dialga/Palkia CIR moment

[torn parrot]

I’m sorry king I’m off topic

[cyan smelt]

in swsh i ran dialga lunala in double restricted

[torn parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/fruits-basket-fruba-furuba-kyo-tohru-gif-21999569

[solid frigate]

Dialga and Palkia beliver moment

[torn parrot]

Palkia would be amazing if his attacks didn’t do 0 damage because they never hit in the first place

[solid frigate]

idk why they removed Scald for that guy

But whatever

[cyan smelt]

gravity dragon cheer palkia moment

[cyan smelt]

ho-oh needs to be higher as it could be viable on sun teams

[torn parrot]

Why the heck is turtle so low

[solid frigate]

half of the restricted has Anti Synergy with Turtle(little but exaggerated but you get the point)

The best restricted with Pagos is somehow Zacian

[torn parrot]

Wait

Oh this is double restricted

Yeah I think Ho-oh could be good on Sun

Like it won’t be used ever lol, but it could be pretty neat

Paired with groudon or koraidon they have pretty nice type synergy overall

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/ludicolo-we-do-a-little-trolling-gif-20629433

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2321464616

[solid frigate]

yeah you wonder why i put Dialga and Palkia in c rather than dont use it-

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 484: Palkia

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/120/100/150/120/100

Total

680

Other Formes

Palkia-Origin

Sableye version 4.28.1

Pokémon No. 484: Palkia-Origin

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/100/100/150/120/120

Total

680

Base Species

Palkia

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

non crowned zama imprison for double restricted

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

[solid frigate]

help-

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-ko-knock-out-street-fighter-v-zangeif-karp-gif-11993980

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2321485840

[cyan smelt]

That was savage

Maybe ice spinner is better on chien pao than icicle crash

[dapper crag]

Good morning everyone

[real prairie]

morning

i just got violated by PokeDoku

how is Chansey not a pokemon that was evolved by friendship

[dapper crag]

I haven’t been into the competitive scene since sun and moon, was thinking of using a straight bug team for just for fun

[left bobcat]

Man I was hoping yesterday was a nightmare

I woke up but it’s actually true

[dapper crag]

Sorry to hear that

[real prairie]

?

[real prairie]

as long as you dont mind losing, considering its a restricted format and there isn't a bug legendary

[left bobcat]

One of my peers passed away yesterday

[real prairie]

ah fuck, im sorry

[real prairie]

i did a thing...

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2321520709#

[real prairie]

nevermind, the thing didn't work long term

[chrome knot]

the thing

[real prairie]

dw em, i will make a new thing

it will go 60-0

[chrome knot]

whatda

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-dream-let-me-sleep-leave-me-alone-sleepy-tired-gif-16004328

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-gif-22266338

[dense latch]

gxe feels personal

i blame early reg g me for trying dumb ideas on this account ):

[mint void]

Nice

[dapper crag]

I know, I’ve already accepted that I’ll be losing a lot, I just always since gen one do what I call a Gym Leader build and play a mono type team, it’s a fun role play experience for me.

[real prairie]

Then God speed

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/mold-the-thing-marvel-fantastic-four-gif-13057762577713663034

Getting a notif I got a heart react from that gif of all things made me giggle thanks ludi

[real prairie]

haha no drama

[solid frigate]

someone scary face their Kyogre for speed drop,which is a valid play cuz i am in Trick Room

But that play bites him back

and E-Speed Dnite is still slower than my ogerpon

so follow me wins me the game

[real prairie]

very nice

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2321692443-ixn5hhls6e767uj7qtey0v2yodha172pw

am i cooking something?

[chrome knot]

no but why are u like perpetually 1200 elo

[mint void]

might be cause hes cooking

"something"

[real prairie]

i keep dropping and going back up lol

mostly because i use 1 account for everything

[chrome knot]

ig

[real prairie]

i test, it goes poorly, i drop down

i revert back to scarf ogre, i climb, we go again

[chrome knot]

ig that how it be when u test random stuff lmao

[real prairie]

haha yeah pretty much

[chrome knot]

i just play consistent teams and win rinse repeat when the team gets boring

[real prairie]

i think im so locked into how this team plays i make stupid mistakes with good teams

ive tried using top teams and just meh

[chrome knot]

you just have the elephant in the room thats kinda holdin it back

[dense latch]

i’m the opposite i might have like 10 alts at this point

[real prairie]

ive had alt accounts, i just got fed up of signing in and out lol

ill take a team to an alt account and just lost 5 straight and think - CBA

low ladder nonsesnce is worse than losing at 1600 LOL

[real prairie]

more of the pineapple, but i hear you

[mint void]

I lose so much elo cause I try to q a game while im in Q for other games and it usually doesnt work out

[real prairie]

there you go, back to 1400 in time for dinner lol

[solid frigate]

same

[foggy lodge]

Volcarona is so good against Zamazenta teams

I love my little broken moth

[real prairie]

I might try volca instead of Incin

[next stump]

https://x.com/rk9labs/status/1901695551743406184?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

RK9 Labs 🐾 a/k/a rk9.gg in the azure sky (@rk9labs) on X

Attention all #PlayPokemon competitors!

The following tournaments open for registration on Wednesday, March 19:

🇦🇺 : Melbourne Regionals - 7pm AEST
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🇨🇱 : Santiago Regionals - 7pm GMT-3

Stay tuned for registration links, coming soon!

X · Mar 17, 2025, 6:02 PM

[real prairie]

Annoying they are doing Utrecht so soon, I can't commit to flights yet 😭

[mint void]

i can go there by car ngl

not that I am but I could

[craggy dagger]

why’s today’s pokedoku kinda hard
i don’t remember my friendship evos

[chrome knot]

Togekiss ^-^

[craggy dagger]

wait is crobat not a friendship evo…

or is that not gen 4

[chrome knot]

thas gen2 love

[mint void]

idk man

why are the cool legendaries so bad

[bold geode]

Helloing bestie

[bold geode]

Helloing Kitty

[calm gulch]

nice pfp lilbro

[bold geode]

Oh waddup mfer
Thx you too

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to yosta.

[craggy dagger]

hiya

[spiral ridge]

I tried to start doing these
School WiFi does block it and I found a copycat one that just said I was wrong no matter what answers I put lmfao

[craggy dagger]

lmaooo

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2321845265

This is just tragic also yes i am not practicing my GC team but Non Arubega Mirai Team-

[chrome knot]

goodbyea

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

[bold geode]

Blud didn't have the chrome extension to get past that

[spiral ridge]

Nop

[rain tapir]

Whats a good build for tyrantrum?

[craggy dagger]

don’t look at me like that-

[chrome knot]

:(

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

whyre you mad at me..

[willow vault]

Hi

[craggy dagger]

you said bai instead of hi

[chrome knot]

hai nova

[craggy dagger]

[inland mirage]

Competitively, which is the best appltin evolution?

[craggy dagger]

um
none technically speaking

but prolly hydrapple

if you had to choose between all of them

[willow vault]

The Applin was eaten by a rillaboom, so if we include that then Rillaboom

[craggy dagger]

also hi creph

[willow vault]

Hai

[inland mirage]

So all of them arent viable in vgc? Flapple, Appletun, Dripplin, or Hydrapple?

[willow vault]

Not really

Being in a restricted format doesn’t help since caly-i just mows them down, a bit unfortunate but happens often

[craggy dagger]

unfortunately not.
there are very niche situations where they can be used, but those teams require a lot more skill to pilot

[foggy lodge]

They are funny

But super bad mons lol

[chrome knot]

haaaiiii ^-^

hru today

[craggy dagger]

dragon cheer tera dragon ice rider

[solid frigate]

don't make me think of new ideas Nova-

[real prairie]

I got cooked, used chansey as a friendship Evo and apparently it counts as an item Evo because it's friendship and an item

[craggy dagger]

i already made a team like that-

[solid frigate]

I forgot Manetric is Hoenn not sinnoh-

[left bobcat]

The love

[craggy dagger]

surely you know-

[solid frigate]

Pichu Requires Friendship to evolve into Pikachu i am suprised nobody talkedf about it

[craggy dagger]

yeah but thats a baby

[solid frigate]

yeah just type Pikachu lmao

i ahould've just pick Mega Lucario-

my brain says i want to be unique

[chrome knot]

nova….

[craggy dagger]

a jokeeeeeeeeeee

[chrome knot]

-# novaaa…..

[solid frigate]

lol

[chrome knot]

https://fxtwitter.com/peko_girlboss/status/1901628078280876379?s=46&t=FIWgOpf0yRQcHBdRCEbKnw

[spiral ridge]

😭😭

[atomic mural]

so real

[spiral ridge]

I remember you doing dragon Tera cheer stuff that was a time

[solid frigate]

DEDEDE MENTIONED

[foggy lodge]

True

This is the peak pokemon humour

[solid frigate]

i love some jokes that Krabby has higher Atk Stat than Eternatus

[bold geode]

Don't forget the occasional Wolfe Glick fancam

[potent coyote]

I battled one of the bastiodon guys in a tournament a few months ago it’s so buff lol

[atomic mural]

yeah bastio-blast is a broken move

[chrome knot]

non thats for the vgc girls, all the casual idiots only have 3 jokes

[bold geode]

True

[atomic mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyryWo-sWKg peak incoming

[solid frigate]

probably planned

[next stump]

FYI for anyone interested, there won’t be any locals held in the whole month of June

the season ends may 31st for locals

[solid frigate]

ah

ok

[chrome knot]

or july or august

[next stump]

they had july/august last year but it just applied to the next season

june won’t have anything straight up

[astral kelp]

0-o

o-0-o

[mint void]

U a ass

[astral kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-4822326163116896763

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2322013930

yea i feel bad

[mint void]

@astral kelp what does eleki do in that team?

[astral kelp]

Explode endure tatsugiri

[mint void]

Fair. Would have said use rilla over it to set grassy terrain for muk recovery

[astral kelp]

Yea might be better over having 2 teams at once lol

I was using grimm snarl in a muk only team screens and fake out are so goated

[chrome knot]

@next stump is there rules against posting coaching adverts, made one for Olivia to replace one she made in 30s and would like to share with the class

tho id also advise anyone who actually wants to improve to reach out to her

[astral kelp]

Main issue is that this is a psych up team and my csr kinda tends to die before it can psych up maybe I'll give it the sash

[mint void]

Who is Olivia?

[chrome knot]

Olivia Moledzki, aboxoftimbits

[craggy dagger]

timbits-?

[mint void]

No clue cba with names

Cant remember

[spiral ridge]

Yeah your national food

[feral valley]

anyone wanna help me build a team?

ive never built a team before

i just tried showdown in doubles and won a bo3 idk how but i want it in game

[left bobcat]

Tacos and pozole

[craggy dagger]

-# i cant refute that sobbb

[spiral ridge]

Nope especially since your coffee addicted self prob goes there often

[craggy dagger]

-3-

[spiral ridge]

:3

God still saw that as a cyclops again

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

[Embed Link](#competitive_discussion message) to #competitive_discussion

Command triggered by treeco.. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[rustic mountain]

@feral valley id check out this stuff ^

theres teams on victory road #rental_teams here has codes for teams

id recommend checking out these resources tho so u familiarize urself w/ it a bit first

its a steep learning curve

[feral valley]

I don't want rental teams i wanna have fun building the one I did in showdown

[rustic mountain]

jus build w/e then doesnt seem like u care about winning

cant skip steps and expect different results

[craggy dagger]

yeah thats true

[craggy dagger]

rentals are always a nice way to get the hang of what the meta is like atm
once you kinda get a feel for what the meta is, you can jump into the teambuilding rabbithole

[feral valley]

I don't care about winning

[rustic mountain]

just try stuff out that u like then

[feral valley]

I would play casual doubles i just don't wanna get smoked

[craggy dagger]

then as long as you dont mind getting dunked on by a 20 loss streak then you should be fine :)

[feral valley]

I'm competitive at heart but not competitive to the point that I wanna go to tournaments

I like winning ofc

but my goal is to have fun battling and team building not being the best

[craggy dagger]

fair enough 🤝

[feral valley]

yepp

I bought sword dlc this week just so I can get urshifu and calyrex

[rustic mountain]

u can get urshi in sv dlc but yea calyrex is swsh dlc only

[feral valley]

wait fr? how

[spiral ridge]

Bbq

[rustic mountain]

its one of the snacksworth legends

[bold geode]

Hehehehehe
You're silly

[mint void]

Anything you have in mind?

[craggy dagger]

[craggy dagger]

whatchu have in mind :0
any sort of restricted you wanna build around?

[spiral ridge]

Oh god it’s you

I CAST

[craggy dagger]

LMAO?

[spiral ridge]

:3
I have many of these shoehorn in as much as possible

[bold geode]

OH FUCK

https://tenor.com/view/jaydaddy-horror-movie-you're-in-a-horror-movie-shotgun-walk-in-gif-198923329522661350

[spiral ridge]

it’s too late it’s gone
All there was anyway

[bold geode]

Oh yeah well uh

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-lightning-lightning-dog-thunder-thunder-dog-gif-8682004922466801621

[spiral ridge]

Flashbang

[molten oasis]

I DONT HAVE ACCESS TO GIFS RIGHT

anyway I’m back

[spiral ridge]

Me n u

[craggy dagger]

😭
where are you getting these

[spiral ridge]

:3

One sec I’ll show you

[bold geode]

True
Fuck you Scotty 🖕

[molten oasis]

What

What are those lmao

[spiral ridge]

Rumble generator memes

[wide vector]

Aloo , idk if this the right place to ask , i got competitive shiny blaziken all the way from emerald (yes i rng ACE it for days ,lol) to home then play it on scarlet , but got paranoid about save file corruption etc since we cant backup save . Should i put my mons in game or trf it back to home everytime im done playing ? Need opinions on this 🙏

[spiral ridge]

Home you can not worry about save corruption I believe

As it’s linked online to Nintendo account

[bold geode]

Fuck Darmanitan
He's not valid monkey gang

[spiral ridge]

Wow really

[molten oasis]

I’m crying that one is perfect

[molten oasis]

What about gdarm

https://tenor.com/view/galar-darmanitan-spinning-gif-14575733608549402903

Right, I forgot again

[spiral ridge]

lol

Drago MH it’s been so peak

[molten oasis]

You’re playing wilds?

[spiral ridge]

Uhm
Just a little

Wya in it

[molten oasis]

Endgame

Wya so far

[spiral ridge]

Yeah like

How deep into end game

[molten oasis]

Oh

I’m HR 58 or smth I haven’t played in a bit

[spiral ridge]

Just 3 armor sets left I wanna make then side quests and maybe crown hunt

Tempered gore I have beaten twice now

[molten oasis]

I’ve fought tempered arkveld

[spiral ridge]

Ark is genuinely easier than gore

[molten oasis]

Like 5 times. That fight isn’t hard after like the third go

I agree gore is, he’s so mean

[spiral ridge]

Yeah I got full ark set easy

[spiral ridge]

It’s like nergi and devil
Technically nergi is higher but god damn that pickle

Nergi is no fucking pushover though

What weapons you been running

[molten oasis]

Switch axe and dual blades

[spiral ridge]

Charge blade great sword

[molten oasis]

I had to relearn switch axe cuz they change how it worked for a bit

But the counters are

[spiral ridge]

Send me your code and j can invite you to a clan of SV people

[spiral ridge]

Both my weapons can parry but later enemies just get one hit parried
I do a parry counter
I get fucked by an attack

Parry I just do for shield charge atp

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

It’s so annoying

[molten oasis]

Bet

[chrome knot]

noooo wtf

[spiral ridge]

I wish parry got rewarded more or like
A system where enough parry stagger

[molten oasis]

Yea I agree

[spiral ridge]

So thag you can do a parry attack cus my super amped element discharge I wanna hit in someone’s fucking face and they don’t move for the after shock

[spiral ridge]

It’s not yours dw

[molten oasis]

Yea that shit gets annoying

[spiral ridge]

I just gotta stop doing it

Power clash though

[molten oasis]

Even so, I like the swaxe offset swing

[spiral ridge]

I’ve heard offset moves are busted
I don’t understand them so I avoid them

[feral valley]

the one i won on showdown with lol

[molten oasis]

They’re kinda similar to counters but the timing is a lot more slim

[spiral ridge]

Ahh
Yeah the attacks are big and idk when that timing is

[bold geode]

Emma help
My peenar was exploderded

[atomic mural]

[molten oasis]

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/ae7d3c71f204d749 im using this for double restricted and no one can stop me

[molten oasis]

Eww

[atomic mural]

[molten oasis]

Evil man

[atomic mural]

hey all im saying is i got 13th in a tournament with 96 people with it

also i tried thinking of teams with clay ice miraidon and i just didnt like what i came up with

[molten oasis]

Valid

I can’t decide on a zacian partner I want to rock with

[atomic mural]

apparently terapagos is good

[molten oasis]

“Viable” ouch lmao

[cyan smelt]

zacogre prolly good

[atomic mural]

i have played a bit of swordfish i like it

[molten oasis]

Well, yes I figured swordfish is good but the building aspect of it feels so limited

The options just feel very slim

[cyan smelt]

why, slap torn and some anti-prio and you're done

[molten oasis]

That’s, the issue

It’s like you have to go amoonguss+torn+shifu+pao

Or at the very least amoonguss+torn+pao

[cyan smelt]

tsareena instead of shroom

[molten oasis]

Tsareena feels kinda mid

[cyan smelt]

regidrago then

[atomic mural]

i got a feeling regidrago is gonna kinda suck in a format where a steel type with wide guard is gonna be everywhere

[molten oasis]

Regidrago is going to suck yea

Also, I don’t like the guy lol

[spiral ridge]

Might try CIR luna or zama dow

[atomic mural]

ill use anything paired with caly shadow

[craggy dagger]

[atomic mural]

this is my new favorite twitter account

[craggy dagger]

i’m running my crackhead team for double res :3

[crude junco]

i wanna get better at competitive pokemon

[bold geode]

Can't wait to have Wolfe glaze songs like Lebron

[craggy dagger]

practice makes perfect
i would play a bunch of games and analyze them to see what you could have done better :3
and no-
don’t beat yourself up for not being able to read something.
mistakes are where we learn stuff

[craggy dagger]

but also
familiarize yourself with the meta since that’s really important

[craggy dagger]

litten 😭

[molten oasis]

You have a team like that?

[craggy dagger]

i’m surprised you didn’t rebuttal with “aren’t all your teams like that”

[molten oasis]

No cuz I just expect it

I didn’t expect you to have something for double res already

[strange fjord]

What do yall think of my goofy team? https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2322039397?p2

[spark steeple]

I’m new to vcg and trynna make the best team . Any recommendations?

[molten oasis]

There is no outright “best” team

And use rentals in #rental_teams

Or ones from YouTubers like Cybertron and James Baek

[craggy dagger]

well
they're not fully cohesive yet
but i have duos in mind

[bold geode]

You a bitch

[atomic mural]

[bold geode]

Nah you ain't perfect cell bitch
You ain't got aura

[molten oasis]

valid

i have duos but i just, cant really come up with teams i'd want to play

[bold geode]

No aura
No bitches
No money
No men either, you just lonely

[molten oasis]

like just spamming good mons is so lame lol

[atomic mural]

i dont think bro likes weezing 💀

[craggy dagger]

sameeeeeee

[spiral ridge]

Whattt
It’s literally just the two restricted I know well plus a horse

[bold geode]

Actually like low-key
I kinda feel bad for the single bi people

[spiral ridge]

Where the fuck this come from

[craggy dagger]

what?

[bold geode]

I mean I got a single bi friend irl so

[molten oasis]

CSR is cringe also wtf monke

why you pitying the bi people

[bold geode]

No bro it's like
You got the most options and you STILL single? Damn feels bad

[molten oasis]

better question why did i come back

[bold geode]

Idfk why did you

[molten oasis]

the chaos is fun

i dont get why you're pitying bi people

[spiral ridge]

I’ve never used either but been wanting to learn em

[molten oasis]

fair enough

yea but anyway like

i just, dont, know what to build with

[atomic mural]

we do have like 2 months

[bold geode]

I'm not like straight on pitying then but it's like damn bro
You going thru it huh

[molten oasis]

zacogre is objectively the best duo but zacogre also seems the most restrictive building wise

zacpagos seems most open but pagos is, okay

zacnala/CSR is awful into incin

[spiral ridge]

I gotta get back on showdown and play some more zama lunala soon hopefully

[molten oasis]

theres also that lol

like i feel like you just play zama

zama is better for you into incin

like i just dont know lol

[bold geode]

Don't do it, it's a fucking trap

[spiral ridge]

Nono I mean

Both of them separately lmfao

[bold geode]

OH Reg G?

[spiral ridge]

Yee

[molten oasis]

oh lol

that makes more sense

[molten oasis]

why?

[bold geode]

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh
Just didn't feel as good as Zam CSR tbh

[bold geode]

Want a team? (Don't share)

[spiral ridge]

For which

[molten oasis]

valid

[bold geode]

Which you think

[bold geode]

Yeah like why do Zam Lunala when I can just Sash Caly with Zama LMAO

Like don't get me wrong I like the Calyrex double Fake Out concepts

[molten oasis]

ye lol

[spiral ridge]

I got the new MDB team on showdown so I wanna try that as I loved previous one

[bold geode]

But like idt they fit Zama as well cuz it fleshes it out to be basically 100% support imo
But also Helping Hand + Tera Ghost Astral Barrage

[molten oasis]

bruh

[bold geode]

Snow is mid, don't do it

[spiral ridge]

Wha

[bold geode]

(It's not bad, just everyone and their entire family lineage has prep into it)

[spiral ridge]

Lmao

I’ll see yours then sure but I’ll prob mainly stick to that

[bold geode]

Gimme sec

[molten oasis]

i keep seeing snow and thinking the weather not the player

[atomic mural]

once i see a caly ice miraidon team that looks fun im saying good bye to this evil team i have

[spiral ridge]

I thought he meant weather too

[molten oasis]

valid

[bold geode]

It's weird I know lol

It's not as bad for me cuz I'm a Zamazenta guy so

[untold urchin]

Scotty Im starting the journey of suffering

it isnt going to be fun

[bold geode]

Raika wyd in here

[bold geode]

Wym by that

[molten oasis]

Captain Jack Sparrow? what an honor

[spiral ridge]

Goodluck

[untold urchin]

[untold urchin]

I dont need luck

[craggy dagger]

wait wha?
raika :000000

[untold urchin]

I need your prayers

[spiral ridge]

lol
What’s the team

[untold urchin]

OH YOU ARE HERE MINH IS JUDGING YOUR TEAM YOU MADE ME HEAVILY

[spiral ridge]

HAHAHA REALLY

[untold urchin]

And he is now playing with it

[craggy dagger]

LMAO THAT WAS A EARLY META TEAM SOBBB

how's he liking it though

[bold geode]

Wait what's going on

[untold urchin]

Dunno most of what hes saying is waffles

[bold geode]

Oh
Can I join?

[untold urchin]

I do not understand at all what he's saying

[molten oasis]

you're talking rivals?

[untold urchin]

Move names mostly

[craggy dagger]

i made raika a miraidon achu team like
during the first month of reg G wave 1

wait i need to see this 😭

[bold geode]

Early meta?

[craggy dagger]

yah

[bold geode]

Think you added a word there

[craggy dagger]

huh?

lemmeeee innnnnnnnnnnn

[bold geode]

Meta

[craggy dagger]

oh
yeah it was early meta though
after like
the first two regionals

when miraidon kinda showed that it could do well but was still on fraud watch 😭

[spiral ridge]

lol

[craggy dagger]

[spiral ridge]

Minh speaks

[craggy dagger]

ming is typing a paragraph 😭

[chrome knot]

stinky

[untold urchin]

"Are you writing a paragraph?"

Him: no

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[spiral ridge]

[bold geode]

No u

Oh
@untold urchin I bathed

[untold urchin]

Why bathe when you could shower

[bold geode]

I did shower

Idk why I said bathed

Look I washed my nasty ass ok

[untold urchin]

We're gonna be in Reg I by the time Minh finishes typing

[bold geode]

Damn I just saw my grandkids graduate college

[thorny beacon]

So you have whimsicott on the team which makes sense, whim + miraidon is a regular combo for speed control yep yep yippee .

Then you have Raichu with thunder wave and not electroweb which is pretty cool you know, raichu likes having some form of speed control so good, more speed control can't complain yep yep yippee .

But then you got Flutter Mane with ALSO thunder wave and i'm like damn does this woman hate the opponent that much? But also I'm like HMMMM but why not Icy Wind since you already have Thunder Wave on Achu and Tailwind and it's a different form of speed control + breaks sash. Also since your team kinda nukes already, is Fake Tears going to be utilised that much? the rest of the team is straightforward, Wok Ogerpon is great, Chi-yu is Chingling and Miraidon is British

[spiral ridge]

You made a mirai one??

[bold geode]

Wok Ogerpon?

[thorny beacon]

Yeah you like woks?

https://tenor.com/view/sunnyfication-gif-20299408

[bold geode]

Yeah
Which one is that though

[craggy dagger]

lemme in the vc dammit-

[spiral ridge]

Mirai is British?

[spiral ridge]

Raika doesn’t want anyone else in

[craggy dagger]

i genuinely dont remember the team
can you send me the paste

[thorny beacon]

i'm not the owner i have no control

[bold geode]

French or Spanish

[thorny beacon]

https://pokepast.es/1aeec92310c7f62d

[bold geode]

Yeah Raika is shy
Lil bi

Oh now his laptop froze

[craggy dagger]

also
fake tears to shred through resisted with miraidon
Thats my biggest point

lmao what is that team

[untold urchin]

I’ll let Nova in

She made the damn team why wouldnt I

[spiral ridge]

Damn and not me :(

[untold urchin]

YOU SAID YOU WOULD JUST LAUGH

[spiral ridge]

NO??

Wait maybe I did as a joke

[craggy dagger]

ming ming
Shadow ball > twave lol

[spiral ridge]

I would genuinely give advice lol 😭

[craggy dagger]

i messed that up 😭

[bold geode]

C'mon bro I wouldn't laugh

[chrome knot]

nobanobanoba

[craggy dagger]

emmaemmaemma

[chrome knot]

i seepy :(((((

[thorny beacon]

yeah i saw the spatk EVs and thought damn, kinda wasted since only Moonblast so I wanted either icy wind or shadow ball

[bold geode]

Also Nova you could've put Nuzzle on Achu

[craggy dagger]

you could also prolly put psychic instead of fake out methinks

[craggy dagger]

i
realize

[spiral ridge]

Novas team building has come a long way in making the weird work

[molten oasis]

Nova win a regional with your out of the box cooking

[bold geode]

Sigh I'm bored

[spiral ridge]

Go sleep

[craggy dagger]

i will

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

No

[molten oasis]

sleep is for da weak

[spiral ridge]

Yes

[craggy dagger]

double restricted is gonna be a headache but also a really fun time for me

[molten oasis]

the headache is just

[bold geode]

No

[molten oasis]

deciding on the other 4 mons lol

i think the duos are pretty easy, its that i think is gonna end up being annoying

[bold geode]

Says the one who used to sleep for 12 hours or some shit

[spiral ridge]

It’s gonna be a time seeing everything you make :3

[molten oasis]

hey

[bold geode]

LMAO

[molten oasis]

i only sleep for 8 hours most now

[craggy dagger]

yeah
and as someone who already thinks a lot about the partners in my crackhead teams

[molten oasis]

(and then stay in bed for 1-2 hours)

[molten oasis]

we gonna be struggling next format lol

[spiral ridge]

I wish I slept in more I’ve felt unable to do so lately

[chrome knot]

encouraging crazy

[spiral ridge]

Yeah cus it’s entertaining to watch

[molten oasis]

it is pretty fun to watch

[spiral ridge]

I talk to you daily

[molten oasis]

CSR mirrors arent

[craggy dagger]

yup 😭

[spiral ridge]

Any dog + horse mirror is gonna be weird

[molten oasis]

i mean, true lol

[bold geode]

Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy.

[molten oasis]

its Caly's loyal attack dog

[molten oasis]

stop that

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[chrome knot]

:(

[bold geode]

What if
Obama grilled cheese sandwich

[chrome knot]

im 3 sets of crazy

[spiral ridge]

Can we hit 4

[chrome knot]

2

[bold geode]

Oh shit it's a countdown

[molten oasis]

are we about to die

[spiral ridge]

:3

[bold geode]

Hopefully

[molten oasis]

wdym hopefully lol

[bold geode]

Nothing bro, anyways Pokemon

[astral kelp]

jesus i didnt realize i had so many kyurem variations
which one do you guys think is less hit

ive been considering doing amoong a9 flutter rilla torn kyurem

but urshifu is so busted

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 383: Groudon

Type

Ground

Abilities

Drought

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/140/100/90/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Groudon-Primal

Sableye version 4.28.1

[shadow wind]

Goat stats if I’m being real

[molten oasis]

says the groudon player

[charred saddle]

insane team

[cyan smelt]

Is it a pledge team

[charred saddle]

didnt even get to see it

[fathom geyser]

https://pokepast.es/63b04b074b204dd3

I need something to replace raging bolt or scrafty, neither of them have been doing as much as they should outside of their explicit purpose

Same is true for toxapex, I frequently just end up with it late game and have to stall, meaning that if something can't be poisoned with toxic I straight up lose.

[molten oasis]

wut format is this

also if this is reg g

toxapex and scrafty are awful lol

[tiny karma]

Item: Zoom Lens

The accuracy of attacks by the holder is 1.2x if it moves after its target.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

i think similar idea to that team was da wei's team, doozo tinglu slow pace team

so like,
tox --> dozo
heatran --> tinglu
scrafty --> incin(?) since i feel scrafty is just a worse incin in a sense?
4x weak to fairy as well

also i dont know why u have grassy terrain in sinistcha?

• prob would be better to hhave rocky helmet on sinistcha

calys are around and no berries

also for urshifu/breaking sash on physical

i mean bolt is there to deter like kyogre/watershifu

thats my opinion anyway

[molten oasis]

i agree with those

[mint void]

U like getting fucked by Hearthflame?

[astral kelp]

ehhh i dont really see him much tbhbut its true that that team has nothing to do against fire types lmao

so my thinking is

1 amoong us SHITS on urshifu
and 2 amoongus is really good in trick room and my team has kinda no real way to deal with trick room other than taunt and hope

[real prairie]

Morning

[astral kelp]

hey ludi how is it going

man where do you live where its morning rn hahaha

[real prairie]

meh, seasonal depression is a bitch. otherwise im dandy!

[astral kelp]

oh man i get that

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-flag-small-flag-redcoat-redcoats-gif-16305709791608276965

[astral kelp]

i forget uk is in the other side of the world to new zealand

[real prairie]

LOL

[molten oasis]

[astral kelp]

yall infiltrated our flag and when the gov tried to change it we complained for some reason LOL

[real prairie]

new here? what happened?

@molten oasis

[molten oasis]

I left

[real prairie]

well then welcome back

[molten oasis]

after having a mental breakdown

so i took a break

now im sitting staring at my builder

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-dont-come-near-me-rihanna-i-feel-you-gif-15718238

[molten oasis]

tyty

[astral kelp]

anyways any thoughts on this?

[real prairie]

whats on the menu?

[molten oasis]

genuienly seems kinda shit into hearthflame besides torn and ig kyurem

[molten oasis]

double res

just, staring and thinking about zacian pairings

kyogre's obvious but building the team around it feels insanely linear and limited

[real prairie]

Torrent thinks zacian would pair well with a side of turtle

[astral kelp]

oh yea because its doubles now

thats so weird to think about

[molten oasis]

that came from me lol

[real prairie]

not confirmed

which is why when its not, its going to be very funny

[molten oasis]

the turtle zac thing came from me

if its not man i might just skip it. unless its no tera

[astral kelp]

i assume zacian + csr is probably its default pairing

[molten oasis]

i'd be perfectly okay with no tera

no, zac CSR is awful into incin

[astral kelp]

oh yea knock off just kills csr and intimidate thats true

[molten oasis]

it won worlds when zacian was super broken

[real prairie]

can't see them disabling an ingame function

[molten oasis]

zacian is not super broken anymore

[molten oasis]

spikemuth cup was no dymanax

[astral kelp]

wdym?

[molten oasis]

they can do it but i do doubt it tbf

anyway my thought are zacogre or zacpagos

i just think pagos is kinda, not that good

or wont be that good in double res

[astral kelp]

i feel like turtle is a very selfish restricted and would want more supportive mons

[molten oasis]

im also not sure if zacogre is what i want to do

[real prairie]

i could stand corrected

[real prairie]

turning off tera

[molten oasis]

thats waht i've heard

that format did happen and it was weird

[astral kelp]

wth are people saying they would turn off tera for the new reg

[real prairie]

@molten oasis just floated the idea lol

[astral kelp]

oh ic haha

[real prairie]

literally here 2 seconds ago

🤣

[astral kelp]

i think i missed that

my bad lmao

thatd be crazy

[molten oasis]

idk my thing with zacogre is like, i feel like you're forced to go torn amoonguss bolt hands shifu and pao

like it seems solved

[astral kelp]

terapagos found dead in an alleyway

[real prairie]

I may have alternative solutions 👀 🤣

[astral kelp]

ludicolo zacogre when

[molten oasis]

im pretty unsure on tsareena

idk i just, i think the rain aspect is throwing me off

[real prairie]

Zacian doesn't exactly benefit a ton from rain

[molten oasis]

im used to bulky balance

[real prairie]

outside of fire power drop

[molten oasis]

well, steel types this gen feel very safe in rain usually

zacian has effecitvely 1 weakness in rain

[astral kelp]

why is this considered the forced solution?

[molten oasis]

because thats what was played in gen 8/whats being played with kyogre and zac

[astral kelp]

ic

[molten oasis]

like a lot of zacogre teams in gen 8 were those 2 plus torn incin rilla amoonguss eleki or grimsnarl i think

[astral kelp]

and bolt is sort of a better eleki in this case

[molten oasis]

[astral kelp]

iicicicicic

[molten oasis]

is it ludi?

i probably just need to look through the builder tbh

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/how-the-heck-do-you-know-that-doctor-gene-thibedeau-the-umbrella-academy-how-do-you-know-that-angry-gif-5211172053993089473

[molten oasis]

i have no idea man lucky guess i suppose

[real prairie]

joking aside, you could do Zacian CIR

in one of those CIR pelipper teams

[fathom geyser]

They kinda work outside of the previously mentioned lose condition

[molten oasis]

mirai CIR makes more sense tho

and zac hates tr

[real prairie]

lots of things make more sense than Zacian, but we are out here using our faves so we cook with what we got

[molten oasis]

zac should be pretty good tho

a tour was ran it was like 20% usage

there was a lot of mirai but i've never enjoyed mirai

[fathom geyser]

I thought about running wo-chien and the salt rock thing but I have no experience with either

[molten oasis]

could try it maybe

[astral kelp]

other than double fighting type and double physical restricted if were going funny why not zacian zamazenta lmao

[molten oasis]

idk i just, i want to do techs with zacogre i just have no idea how

like thunder bolt sounds funny but i'd want it for anti sun

this is rough lol

[molten oasis]

it be funny but the overlap kinda sucks

lunala zac is a concept i thought about and i've seen people playing (im in a sever with double res people) but its so bad into incin

[astral kelp]

2 restricted weak to fire kinda sucks lol

[astral kelp]

you could just take the weak to incin L i guess

[molten oasis]

at least to me zacogre makes the most sense

[astral kelp]

lunala cant be fake out lmao

[real prairie]

maybe thats an idea though, a team where you bring one or the other restricted, not necisarily both

[molten oasis]

nah dude, i stopped playing zac for a bit because of incin

i hate that thing

[astral kelp]

oh yeah i was gonna say " why not clear amulet " i forgor lmao

[molten oasis]

i'l keep it in mind, worth exploring most of the restricteds while its early

[real prairie]

is there a way to set mist up on Zacian team to give it a safe switch in from Incin rotation?

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/0b099d19e1428bf1 i did play this a joke for bit it was funny

[molten oasis]

suicune

[astral kelp]

wait i thought mist only stopped like burn and stuff

[tiny karma]

Move: Mist

For 5 turns, the user and its party members are protected from having their stat stages lowered by other Pokemon. Fails if the effect is already active on the user's side.

Type

Ice

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

30 (48)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

suicune kinda just, sits on the field after and does nothing

[astral kelp]

oh i thought that weas misty terrain

[real prairie]

@molten oasis guess who gets mist?

[molten oasis]

nah

[tiny karma]

Kyogre's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Dive, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Facade, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Liquidation, Natural Gift, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Strength, Take Down, Waterfall

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Blizzard, Brine, Chilling Water, Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Origin Pulse, Round, Scald, Sheer Cold, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Water Pulse, Water Spout, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Aqua Ring, Block, Calm Mind, Confide, Defense Curl, Double Team, Endure, Hail, Helping Hand, Mimic, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Thunder Wave, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Kyogre.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Calyrex-Ice's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Avalanche, Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Bullet Seed, Close Combat, Crunch, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Facade, Giga Impact, Glacial Lance, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Icicle Crash, Icicle Spear, Lash Out, Megahorn, Outrage, Pay Day, Payback, Pound, Seed Bomb, Smart Strike, Solar Blade, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Tackle, Take Down, Thrash, Throat Chop, Trailblaze, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Blizzard, Confusion, Draining Kiss, Energy Ball, Expanding Force, Future Sight, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Mud Shot, Pollen Puff, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Tri Attack, Uproar

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Aromatherapy, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Curse, Encore, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Gravity, Growth, Guard Swap, Hail, Heal Pulse, Helping Hand, Imprison, Iron Defense, Leech Seed, Life Dew, Light Screen, Magic Room, Metronome, Mist, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Scary Face, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Speed Swap, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Tail Whip, Taunt, Torment, Trick, Trick Room, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Calyrex-Ice.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

hear me out

[molten oasis]

okay

[tiny karma]

Move: Spicy Extract

Raises the target's Attack by 2 stages and lowers its Defense by 2 stages.

Type

Grass

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

plus myst

[molten oasis]

the horse get it, but kyogre doesnt

can kyogre have scald back that be nice

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/mexican-dancing-pokemon-ludicolo-gif-8176036

[molten oasis]

[real prairie]

joking aside, pellier also gets mist if you wanted to go down that route of pelliper CIR

[astral kelp]

i think its kinda wild that incineroar is so good youre forced to run fucking MIST

[molten oasis]

uh, man i, tbf its hard to build in a format that doesnt exist

but like, unless its just spam standard, which is okay i just get bored of it, i have no ideas

[real prairie]

Decorate or coaching strats that synergise with CIR would also be viable with Zacian

[molten oasis]

i'm kinda thinking a special attacker

[astral kelp]

wait yea zacian zamazenta coaching LM,AOOO

[molten oasis]

and uh, i'm avoiding the horses lol

[real prairie]

booster valiant coaching

[molten oasis]

they're broken, they're not fun to play lol

[real prairie]

so taking miraidon and CSR off the table leaves you with very limited pool of Special attackers

[astral kelp]

psych up shadow rider my beloved

[molten oasis]

im mean, the pool was already slim

[real prairie]

exactly lol

[astral kelp]

that leaves you with like

kyurem white

[molten oasis]

i think kyogre is the call let me look at the builder

[real prairie]

Scarf Kyogre + Zacian.

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-speed-speed-and-power-gif-27212846

[molten oasis]

wide guard

[astral kelp]

wait reshirem actually not looking too bad

[molten oasis]

resh sucks lmao

[tiny karma]

Kyogre's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Dive, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Facade, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Liquidation, Natural Gift, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Strength, Take Down, Waterfall

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Blizzard, Brine, Chilling Water, Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Origin Pulse, Round, Scald, Sheer Cold, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Water Pulse, Water Spout, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Aqua Ring, Block, Calm Mind, Confide, Defense Curl, Double Team, Endure, Hail, Helping Hand, Mimic, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Thunder Wave, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Kyogre.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

but hes cool lookin

[real prairie]

and thats why i have hydropump not origin pulse, let the mind games begind

begin*

[molten oasis]

okay the GIANT WHALE doesnt get flip turn

[real prairie]

nope, ive complained about that before

[molten oasis]

like, iron bundle

is a metal penguin, that dont make sense

KYOGRE IS A WHALE

[real prairie]

yep

[molten oasis]

hydro pump spout ice beam thunder?

[real prairie]

yeah

[molten oasis]

hm

my thought was also maybe going av

for CSR

[real prairie]

flip turn scarf kyogre would literally complete my team

[molten oasis]

was gf like

"hey kyogre doesnt need any buffs, lets ignore miraidon and CSR"

[real prairie]

having that exit strategy for Kyogre next to Tsareena to stop prio

but alas

[astral kelp]

actually i kinda feel like using iron bundle for something its a pretty cool pokemon

[molten oasis]

i mean, yea its a cool guy

its just not enough for the power of the format

anyway

i think not getting locked into a move is nice

like i feel like im just gonna get into bad spots clicking spout with scarf

all the last team's i've played have protect on most mons

sorry ik im like, stubborn lol

[astral kelp]

theres a lot of legendaries that dont really have an ability and instead they get fucking pressure

[real prairie]

seeing useage of it on Arubega alts

[molten oasis]

what are the mu's i need to work on

korai, uh

CSR zama,

[real prairie]

nothing wrong with that, most people can't get on with scarf Ogre

[molten oasis]

mirai CIR is handled by zac lol

yea i need to figure out zama CSR

[real prairie]

you spend 5 turns getting the perfect board state for it

its a lot of work

[molten oasis]

yea, mystic water/av have felt good to me so far

with amoonguss

[astral kelp]

i get the appeal

i guess you always wanna outspeed on ogre if you gonna use origin pulse

[real prairie]

i cant get on with it personally, i hate being slower in both TR and outside of TR lol

[molten oasis]

fair enough

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 382: Kyogre

Type

Water

Abilities

Drizzle

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/90/150/140/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Kyogre-Primal

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

kyogre is a weird mon in a weird spot

[astral kelp]

yea hes in the weird speed area

like between 60-100 is just a weird speed area

[molten oasis]

like its very good but its such a big positioning game with it and if you mess it up you lose spout

and have to rely on origin pulse