competitive_discussion

[astral kelp]

whats the point of this?

[real prairie]

let Indeedee die

didn't have a safe switch

[left bobcat]

Oh

[astral kelp]

icic

[real prairie]

i just needed PsTer up to stop thunder claps next turn

[left bobcat]

Clap

[real prairie]

Morning Flack

[left bobcat]

Good morning world #1 SV ludicolo player 🍍

As I was about to say

What was I about to say

[astral kelp]

btw @real prairie what should we call you

[left bobcat]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hmmmmmmm

[astral kelp]

should i just call you like ludicolo or something

[left bobcat]

Just call bro that

[real prairie]

Ludi or Jack is fine lol

[astral kelp]

worlds #1 SV Ludicolo Player 🍍

really rolls off the tongue

[astral kelp]

swooot

[real prairie]

sure does Kay Four Ex One

[left bobcat]

Shut up you’re World #1 SV ludicolo player 🍍

[astral kelp]

o7

[left bobcat]

Oh yeah I need that Indeedee psychic terrain to stop all the clapping

[astral kelp]

what if i use healing wish

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2313637273

[astral kelp]

this doesnt specify ally

[solid frigate]

i started to regret Bham

[real prairie]

Y?

[left bobcat]

Just go to make a wish foundation

[real prairie]

its ally

[solid frigate]

idk just feel like something is wrong

[real prairie]

its whoever switches into that slot

[dapper crag]

When do you guys think i should start teambuilding?

[real prairie]

here if you need bro

[astral kelp]

right now

[azure ether]

As soon as you can?

[astral kelp]

this second

[real prairie]

on cart, once you have a comfortable team

[left bobcat]

How about whenever you feel like it

[real prairie]

practice plenty with it on SD would be my recommendation, ironing out exactly how you want it before comitting to cart

save the time and effort of chaging it repeatedly

[shell depot]

Hi there. I’m new in vgc battle. Any team recommend?

[real prairie]

if you are talking about team building on SD, whenever

[solid frigate]

why i am being left out of discussion mmost of the time about the thing (No offense)

[real prairie]

you can check out the #rental_teams if you want to use some pre-made teams

[dapper crag]

Most people say try popular successful teams first until you know the game mechanics well enough

[real prairie]

?

[solid frigate]

Victory Road is better since most of the rental Teams here are good and universal unlike #rental_teams who are built teams based on your preference

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-gif-13575853101874488635

[solid frigate]

just forget ir

[astral kelp]

ok how tf does healing wish work

[shell depot]

Thx

[real prairie]

Big GGs, that tera water from Rilla was painful

[cyan smelt]

are most dozos max attack max speed? i played one in bo3 and it outsped skeledirge

[azure ether]

Healing wish user commits sudoku, ally that switches in gets healed

[real prairie]

fastest one for donzogiri hits 170 speed

[cyan smelt]

is that with commander boost

[astral kelp]

oh i see

[real prairie]

Yeah

[astral kelp]

the wording is really bad

[cyan smelt]

i'll need to calc without it then for unaware

[real prairie]

SUDOKU

Indeedee just doing a number puzzle quick

[azure ether]

We all love numbers here

I need to start practicing for Nationals but I don't have the slightest idea on what to even play

Horse or bike

[cyan smelt]

geezing caly-s, dozogirl

[azure ether]

That's too big brain for my "I click buttons" brain

[real prairie]

Give my rental a try, scarf kyogre is very click buttons

[cyan smelt]

play miraidon then all it is is spam electro drift, draco, d-gleam or volt switch

[real prairie]

Yeah Miraidon seems very click buttons

[azure ether]

Yea I was looking how to EV Dyl's team

[real prairie]

the spreads are out there somewhere

[azure ether]

I'll give Lud's ogre team a shot tho

[dapper crag]

Everyone keeps saying the Iron Treads is useless is that right?

[azure ether]

Not for that particular tournament, no

[real prairie]

any mon that got to a EUIC final cant really be useless

it clearly did something

[azure ether]

It was even showcased in the semi finals

[cyan smelt]

niche pick for sure though

[real prairie]

gives me so much hope 😄

could argue Goth was a niche pick too

[azure ether]

well considering he was the only one that used Goth...

[dapper crag]

Just won against Koraidon + Disable and Encore Scream Tail

Shouldn'tve brought my C-IR but here we are

[left bobcat]

Because

You never got me my bag of chips

[chrome knot]

why you spread damage like mad

[left bobcat]

The nerve of you Dennis

[dapper crag]

It's an easy team to understand

[chrome knot]

what

does that even mean

[azure ether]

got any piloting notes? like common leads, lines for specific matchups, etc?

[dapper crag]

what did you mean by spread damage glacial lance?

[real prairie]

Ooof what a question

[chrome knot]

you deal really good damage into goth/scream tail

[real prairie]

in my head, yes. on paper, no..

[chrome knot]

means the perish lock is pretty weak

[real prairie]

although i probably should have.

[chrome knot]

lando (assuming you have) punishes koraidon tera fire

[dapper crag]

It wasn't wolfe's team

[azure ether]

I rly was happy that Tofu made that rule of adding piloting notes in rentals but it just stopped getting added after a while

I'm THAT much of a small brain

[dapper crag]

i read that as why do you spread damage like mad

sorry

[chrome knot]

i see

[azure ether]

why is Incin 0 Speed? also it's Rocky Helmet in the rental but it's Sitrus Berry in the paste

I genuinely wanna try but I don't have the slightest idea how to pilot it

[real prairie]

To outspeed CIR in TR

yeah sitrus berry shouldn't be on the team, that was a REALLY early set

let me ping you my recent paste if you want to try it on SD

if you want to use it on cart you'll have to use the rental as i haven't set up a new one yet.

[azure ether]

I think I can build it on cart later if I can get the hang of it

I don't think our Nats allows rentals

[real prairie]

oh i only meant to try it as an idea haha

didn't expect you to take my team to your nationals

but be my guest if you want to

in that case, ill absolutely send you my latest one haha

[chrome knot]

kill dat

[azure ether]

well having 1 team to be able to pilot is better than 0

[real prairie]

? lol

[solid frigate]

or hear me out

Just run 27 Speed IV Amogus

[dapper crag]

Someone should try Sunny day Tornadus and Specs Chi-Yu

[solid frigate]

Koraidon Players:

[real prairie]

my team doesn't need ANOTHER ice weakness LOL

[azure ether]

not this elaborate statted shroom again

[solid frigate]

lmfao

[dapper crag]

Could need tailwind for C-SR

[cyan smelt]

what's the 27 speed iv amoonguss for

[solid frigate]

make sure to Outspeed Min Speed Brave Nature CIR

Since amogus 31 IVs in 50
Calyrex Absolute Min Speed is 48-49 i think

[azure ether]

48

[solid frigate]

I think 27 Speed IV is 47 right?

or is it still 48

[azure ether]

the horse should be 48

I think

[solid frigate]

ikik u mean amogus

[dapper crag]

Checked showdown it's 48

for 27 iv amoongus

[solid frigate]

or just run Min Speed Nature

[dapper crag]

Brave 0 Spe IV C-IR is 49 Spe no need

[chrome knot]

I love 27spe amoonguss

[azure ether]

I got mine, just not blinged up with the shiny powder

[chrome knot]

i have a cute shiny 0atk27spe female in a love ball thats on half my teams :3

[dapper crag]

The team i use has speed control in Tailwind and Trick room so the C-IR has some speed to it

[chrome knot]

is it just the tang team

[dapper crag]

Yes

[azure ether]

I also hate how TailRoom is popular now

[chrome knot]

why its rly easy to outplay

[solid frigate]

yep

[azure ether]

now I have to go out of my way to get a non-0 Speed Calyrex

[dapper crag]

I've had the most success with it

[azure ether]

I only have a 0 Spe for CIR and a 0 Atk for CSR

now I have to get a non-0 CIR for TailRoom?

[real prairie]

i struggle only with the damn Roaring moon, everything else is comfortable

[azure ether]

I assume the TailRoom CIRs aren't running 0 Spe?

[real prairie]

nope, running 100ish speed

[chrome knot]

that wasnt to you lol

[chrome knot]

no

because they aim to be able to play in both tw & tr…

[azure ether]

well thank god

I can't imagine having to play SwSh all over again for 1 mon

it's still 0 Spe but with some Spe investment?

[solid frigate]

156 when i was Teambuilding with Throw

[cyan smelt]

you can speedrun it if you just get a mon from DAs early on, they still obey you

[chrome knot]

its 31spe

with investment !

[azure ether]

well screw me

[chrome knot]

😭

the only cir teams that run 0spe are hard tr

thats why i bottle capped my 0spe one

i just didnt care and only played balance

[azure ether]

there's no turning back if I do

[real prairie]

i meant the speed stat, no idea on the investment

[chrome knot]

i did and didnt look back

[left bobcat]

Let’s look back at it

[azure ether]

suddenly there'll be a surge of hard TR next regionals

[chrome knot]

definitely not😭

hard tr loses to knowing how the team functions..

[solid frigate]

half of the CIR players ve like

[dapper crag]

When did you guys get into vgc?

[solid frigate]

Play VGC Seriously? Reg F
Playing Comp as a Whole? gen 7 OU

[chrome knot]

vgc reg e

[azure ether]

I got into it in SwSh, whenever that time Rinya Sun became popular

[dapper crag]

That's like last year

[chrome knot]

yeah

i started playing vgc last year

[dapper crag]

I used to play singles back in oras, but gave up pretty quickly

[solid frigate]

I just play Singles from USUM to SwSh

and then SV just play VGC

[dapper crag]

So you all recently got into it

I thought you had to play since X and Y to be good

[chrome knot]

nah

[dapper crag]

I have hope now

My days as a noob are numbered

[chrome knot]

just put the work in

[solid frigate]

I mean

[chrome knot]

i feel like my skill level has exploded recently tbh

[solid frigate]

some of us got into the first regional half a year to year after

[solid frigate]

I’m just in a Limbo of Bad to Mediocrity

[chrome knot]

it happenz

[azure ether]

tbf, none of the meta in XY has crossed over to SV

[lost sun]

for this team should I swap ting lu

[azure ether]

no Xern, no megas

[twin kindle]

Limbo?

[solid frigate]

I wanna see why you run Salamance and Scizor

[twin kindle]

BEHOLD DARK CHILD

[solid frigate]

what the

[twin kindle]

my brain be something other than rivals challenge level impossible

[solid frigate]

lmao

[twin kindle]

S is their favorite lettter duh

[chrome knot]

pfft

[solid frigate]

lol

[lost sun]

bullet punch on scizor for flutter mane and it's shiny and I just like salamence but if I should swap it I will

[dapper crag]

Hyperbole that you had to play for 10+ years

[cyan smelt]

Oh wait the Brisbane regional is 29th and 30th of March, I should try and register

[solid frigate]

i can see Scizor’s case

But Salamance can be changed to Roaring Moon and Whimsicott slot can be free for a Physical attacker

[cyan smelt]

Should I replace torn on my team for latios? I feel like I struggle with landorus and tera steel latios walls it and caly ice too

[solid frigate]

On what team

[cyan smelt]

My current team is Zama, rilla, urshifu, chien Pao, skeledirge and torn

[solid frigate]

Yeah I’d say its alr

[cyan smelt]

Only thing I'd be worried about is csr

[solid frigate]

I really want to remove skeledirge for Torn-

[cyan smelt]

Chien pao forces a tera at least

Skeledirge is there because I struggle with dozo otherwise

[solid frigate]

i seen some Haze Chien Pao before but like buddy you have Rilla and Chien Pao

Rilla Forces Tera on Dozo

[dense latch]

you could also do amoong over rilla feel like that's the better grass type on a zama team nowadays

[cyan smelt]

If I replace rilla I struggle with miraidon

[solid frigate]

Thats the major teambuilding issue for Zama Teams

[lost sun]

replace whimsicot with landorus?

[solid frigate]

you almost want to run at least Rilla or Amogus

For now i would recommend to try both but Rilla is my fav option

[solid frigate]

Rather go for Rillaboom and remove Ting Lu for lando

[cyan smelt]

Hmmm I guess I'll test latios and see how it feels compared to torn

But the other thing is I have rain dance on torn for sun teams and for urshifu so idk

[solid frigate]

Dark Shifu?

[lost sun]

use tai lung

[solid frigate]

You know what at this point just use Keanu’s Team lmao

[cyan smelt]

No it's water shifu

[solid frigate]

i know i was considering dark shifu

also why not try Pelibolt?

Or Michael Kelsch’s Team but add Torn?

Wait you team is a variant of that right?

[cyan smelt]

It's just a mish mash of meta mons lol

[solid frigate]

No like the team is basically His Worlds Zama Team but Skeledirge

and Torn

[cyan smelt]

Basically yes

[solid frigate]

why not just go with that?

[cyan smelt]

Because I struggle with dozo

[dense latch]

that's gonna happen with every decent zama team

mdb said dozo was basically unwinnable in his last zama team report

[azure ether]

Clear Smog on shroom?

[cyan smelt]

I've been going decently with this team in bo3 so far, still pretty low ranked but better than reg g part 1

[real prairie]

Is SD ability orders bugged?

normally you can tell speed tiers by the ability order right?

or is that only if they have the same ability?

[untold copper]

My friend wants me to get into competitive with her, any advice and anything I should know?

[twin kindle]

Run

[solid frigate]

most of the Resources are in the Pins section

[chrome knot]

some abilities are fixed to be before any other abilities

@balmy glen game time :3

[solid frigate]

good Luck Emma

[chrome knot]

ty

[mint void]

dead mon ngl

Id see it as a screen setter

[azure ether]

is this only on sd or is it the same on cart?

[mint void]

but Grimmsnarl is just better at that

[wraith flame]

Damn, can't even use a elegant mon in comp

[mint void]

well its ok

ircc u get Follow me too

which maybe has a niche somewhere. Someone ran the preevolution(it was shit and barely brought). Just unfort not a good mon

[wraith flame]

Can I atleast use my pokeball magearna?

Nvm i just saw the banned comp mons

[solid frigate]

Mythicals are banned

[bold geode]

Hello
So first off there will be a tiny bit of a learning curve ngl but we do have some pins
One thing: don't feel bad if you're not good to start off, nobody really is
#competitive_discussion message

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

[Embed Link](#competitive_discussion message) to #competitive_discussion

Command triggered by dollarmonke. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[left bobcat]

Aang

[balmy glen]

my flights in like 4 hours

I think the flight itself is 3

[lost sun]

what's the damage boost for terrastilizing to the same type it already is

[oak bone]

Thoughts on this?

This is fully based on competitive likeliness and not favoritism or how cute they are

[foggy lodge]

Is this only doubles or singles + VGC

[mint void]

x2

PSA STAB in rain is a higher boost

at 2.25

[lost sun]

so kyogres rain spout at full hp does 2.25 +50% in rain and the other 50% with choice specs

2.25 add boths 50s

[oak bone]

Doubles, Incineroar is useless in singles

[oak bone]

In singles I’d put Incneroar in E

[foggy lodge]

Cinderace is useless in VGC

[oak bone]

Just don't use him right

[foggy lodge]

Venusaur is not too good rn it was better in Sw/Sh

[oak bone]

Also that's only current meta

[foggy lodge]

...?

A mon with 0% usage that even in lower power level formats was not used😭

[oak bone]

Okay☠️

I’ve gotten him to Masterball

[foggy lodge]

Phanpy is a meta threat then i guess lol

[oak bone]

You're just upset your fav is prob low

[foggy lodge]

...?

[oak bone]

Not every mon has to be meta, or in meta

That's how zombies think

[foggy lodge]

why would i care that optimussolosanime ranked my favorite starter low😭

[oak bone]

I could careless even if you did

I do not know you therefore I don't care, you can't even give valid criticism

Besides “not used in meta!”

[foggy lodge]

oh this things are so funny when happen lmao

[oak bone]

I’m here to listen if you can explain

If you explain well I’ll lower him

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 815: Cinderace

Type

Fire

Abilities

Blaze, Libero (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/116/75/65/75/119

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.1

[oak bone]

Not to mention Cinderace was the sole reason Protean and Liberio were nerfed

[foggy lodge]

Glass cannon, not impressive stats, better fire types to use, movepool is kinda mid, ability nerfed

[foggy lodge]

No that was just because tera was the special gimmick of the gen lol

[oak bone]

Then why does Morpeko still change types

[foggy lodge]

Morpeko doesn't change types...

[oak bone]

It gains and loses Dark doesn't it

[foggy lodge]

No

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 877: Morpeko

Types

Electric/Dark

Abilities

Hunger Switch

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

58/95/58/70/58/97

Total

436

Other Formes

Morpeko-Hangry

Sableye version 4.28.1

[foggy lodge]

Normal form

[oak bone]

Then I’m tweaking

I coulda swore it lost and gained dark I guess not

Either way, Cinderace is an entire counter to hazard teams

[foggy lodge]

Are the hazard teams in the room with us rn

[oak bone]

Okay you’re just ragebaiting

Have a blessed day still

[foggy lodge]

thanks you too

[dense latch]

why is cinderace so high

[oak bone]

I’d possibly lower it to A, but besides that it deserves to be there

Imo

https://tiermaker.com/create/pokmon-starter2023-1437593

there's this if you want to correct my ‘mistakes’

Although I admit it isn't the best in doubles it can still shine with the right stuff, but in singles it’s undoubtedly S tier

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 892: Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

Types

Fighting/Water

Abilities

Unseen Fist

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/130/100/63/60/97

Total

550

Base Species

Urshifu

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

A scarf rapid will just kill that cinder
And if not scarf it just kills after a move it likely resists
Cinder had lots of things that threaten it

[oak bone]

Bounce one shots Urshifu

How do you think I got to Masterball

[tiny karma]

Move: Bounce

Has a 30% chance to paralyze the target. This attack charges on the first turn and executes on the second. On the first turn, the user avoids all attacks other than Gust, Hurricane, Sky Uppercut, Smack Down, Thousand Arrows, Thunder, and Twister, and Gust and Twister have doubled power when used against it. If the user is holding a Power Herb, the move completes in one turn.

Type

Flying

Category

Physical

Power

85

Accuracy

85

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Charge

Has a charging turn.

Contact

Makes contact.

Gravity

Cannot be selected under Gravity.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[foggy lodge]

Bounce😭

[spiral ridge]

You can just protect the bounce?

[mint void]

so wrong. Chesnaught has results and at least wideguard+stab body press. Hyphlosion is till fast eruption. Meowscarada, Greninja and Quaquaval have no business rn. Skeledirge kinda just does sth against zama. Tf is Cinderace doing there? Bro wasnt even used in Reg H. Incin and Rill share S. Everything else doesnt come close.

[oak bone]

You’re acting like there's not a chance I also have an Urshifu

[spiral ridge]

It either kills before you can bounce with scarf or it has access to protect

[oak bone]

Like why are we acting like this is a 1v1

[mint void]

u are acting as if any mon with fake out wouldnt be better

[oak bone]

Y'all question Cinderace but not Charizard??

[spiral ridge]

Cus I was explaining why there’s lots of things that threaten cinderace?

[foggy lodge]

ok then what does Cinderace does against life orb helping hand astral barrage

[spiral ridge]

Charizard was good reg H

[mint void]

nah charizard has a place on sun teams. Reg G not so much. But Reg H it was a threat

[dense latch]

charizard won an ic

[oak bone]

I've gotten it to masterball in both games

[mint void]

Doesnt mean shit ngl

I made it to master ball with funny coaching and AV metagross

[spiral ridge]

I got to master ball with an under 50% WR

Just playing gets you to master

[oak bone]

Wolfe won a championship with Raichu, is Raichu the goat??

[foggy lodge]

Probably

[mint void]

Getting top1k maybe ok. for an average player with an ass mon thats ok

[foggy lodge]

But that was 9 years ago

[mint void]

no but it is more competitively viable due to its access to fake out and its ability to shut down electric moves for Kyogre

[oak bone]

Y'all are overlooking this so much by sticking to whats meta, not everyone runs meta, this is a game with over 500 Pokemon

[spiral ridge]

I’ve unironically seen more raichu in reg G than cinderace

[foggy lodge]

its okay not everyone can understand usage stats

[mint void]

Cinderace doesnt do anything that countersthe meta tho?

[mint void]

there is quite some Raichu

Have yet to so 1 cinderace in whole SV competitive

[foggy lodge]

Escalante used it at EUIC

[dense latch]

why do we get a “im right and everyone else is wrong” person every other day now here

[foggy lodge]

Didn't make it to day 2 but using Raichu in this format gives you flex points

[mint void]

true

[foggy lodge]

Its funny

[oak bone]

Stay doubting✌️😭

[spiral ridge]

When saying what’s good meta does matter

[oak bone]

Y'all just don't know how to make mons work

Prolly sticking to whatever a champion says or sticking to smogon

[spiral ridge]

You can make something work just doesn’t mean it’s amazing 😭

[dense latch]

if you have to go out of your way to make a mon work then it’s not that good

[foggy lodge]

What does smogon has to do here😭

[bold geode]

Tf have I come into

[oak bone]

Its a PERSONAL tier list, if I make it work, its MY tier list so I said IMO its S tier

I put y'all the link to share YOUR tiers

Instead of crying like little babies cause I feel like its S tier

[foggy lodge]

I think this didn't state very clearly that it was a personal opinion

[dense latch]

we’re discussing the tier list

[spiral ridge]

Yeah but someone pointing out weaknesses of the mon and only retort being “yall just don’t know how to use other stuff” is also quite silly

[oak bone]

Why are you trying to change MY opinion

[craggy dagger]

hi-
as someone who’s actually experimented with cinderace, i can confirm that it’s bad 😭

[spiral ridge]

Novas back what a time to be back 😭

[dense latch]

bc it’s a comp discussion channel

[foggy lodge]

You are just bad latte

[oak bone]

I do not care Latte

[spiral ridge]

I was gonna mention you since cinderace

[foggy lodge]

/jk

[fair citrus]

Is that cause of typing? Being just fire type or stats bad compared to others

[bold geode]

Oh tier lists
Keep in mind there will always be different opinions between folks and not everyone will agree, everyone will shit on everyone for their takes, which is why tierlist aren't 100% good and really just bullshit I'd never weigh full viability on

[craggy dagger]

thennnn
why ask for our opinions 😭😭😭

[oak bone]

Yall are automatically assuming I’m this type of person because of a personal opinion I dropped by

[foggy lodge]

"thoughts on this" but only if you agree with me

[oak bone]

Yes thoughts, not belittling

Y'all don't know the difference

[bold geode]

Why do people have to fucking ugh

[craggy dagger]

it’s fast but it’s quite frail.
and although it can hit hard, it’s 119 speed is fine but in a reg G restricted setting, there’s a lot that’s gonna outspeed it or under speed it-
it sits at an awkward speed stat

[oak bone]

I asked for a thought in the tiering not a ass deep analysis into my personal thought chamber or stats

[foggy lodge]

Then what are we supposed to say😭😭😭

[oak bone]

Not nerd out cause your own opinion got in the way

[foggy lodge]

Unexpectedly when you ask for other people's opinion they might share their own opinion

Hope this helps

[dense latch]

how are we supposed to give our thoughts without sharing our opinion

[spiral ridge]

Aren’t you doing same thing here by just holding your opinion

[craggy dagger]

therein lies your problem.
you asked for our thoughts but then outright ignored them cuz we started to share the truth 😭

[oak bone]

There's a way without calling Jarvis like your Tony stark to show stats in a discord server😭

[craggy dagger]

why bother asking for a thought if you’re just gonna argue back and say that we’re wrong

[fair citrus]

Gotcha yeah I'm not a big cibderace guy was just curious. Ty for the insight

[gentle crag]

skarzxgaming has given 1 Gen Rep to interstellar_latte

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cinderace-forest-pokemon-pokemon-cinderace-football-gif-8102243921693479656

[craggy dagger]

by no means is it a bad mon-
it’s just too fast for balance but too slow for anything else imo

[oak bone]

“Personally I disagree with some choices on your list but ultimately you do you” is a completely normal response

[foggy lodge]

You asked me for arguments about why i consider it bad i don't even remember its stats😭

[oak bone]

I asked you not them

Cause you kept insisting it was horrible

Like its a sin to think Cinderace is good

[foggy lodge]

If you consider it good then okay I don't really care just that the message didn't say anything about personal opinion therefore I thought we were talking about results😭

[oak bone]

I dropped the same stuff here in another server and that's exactly what other people said

Not word for word

[oak bone]

Why would I speak for the entire community I ain't no world champion☠️

[fair citrus]

No i get u. Game like this all mons have something that makes them good just in formats it seems others thrive more in the same roles so they aren't the best option. I'm learning that as I begin playing competitive. Just dealt with a toxic recover toxipex lol encored him into recover while I killed him with orgepon 😆

[oak bone]

Every Pokemon has the capacity to be good if you use it in a way you make work

Unless its absolute butt cheeks like first stages

Yk what I mean

[oak bone]

This is literally what Wolfe tells everyone, and what he proves

[fair citrus]

Lol I get you I'm working on building my knowledge

I was lol at the absolute butt cheeks part

[oak bone]

Smogon is a good place to view stats and movesets, but I wouldn't recommend you copy it to a T

[craggy dagger]

oofff
stall toxapex is really annoying

[oak bone]

Same with Showdown

Showdown is more indepth

[spiral ridge]

Wolfed biggest embarrassment was his 2012 j think world team where he took stuff he thought would be good
It’s definitely a balance for shit like that

[oak bone]

That team would still most likely beat you if he used it on you

And you forget

[foggy lodge]

99% of this chat because it just comes to skill diff😭

[oak bone]

He is playing against the best

[spiral ridge]

That’s
Not really the point?
He himself calls the team god awful it’s not a him using it thing

[oak bone]

I used to be a Wolfe hater, I’m just saying he has a good message, I’m not calling him the greatest ever to walk this planet

[foggy lodge]

Literally best VGC player of history against any of us that doesn't even has won a tournament

Please let's just be realistic for a moment😭

[bold geode]

Anyways
As for my opinion, if this is competitive wise I'm guessing VGC?

[oak bone]

Yes, but its more so mixed, but it works better if its a Doubles

Cause Incineroar in singles wouldn't be so high

[spiral ridge]

Wolfe could beat me with endeavor shell bell Aron :)

[fair citrus]

Yeah im not ready for doubles too much to consider. I'm working on singles

[oak bone]

I think everyone starts on singles, you got this

[dense latch]

good luck with your journey

[bold geode]

Um I feel like mixed kinda makes it a bit harder to judge tbh so I'd probably do one or the other or do a tierlist for each
Then again tierlists are objective on opinion so I can't really stop how you go about it
If it were just VGC (which this chat is heavily comprised of) then I would agree that this list is a little wonky
But since it's mixed there might be components that affect it

[spiral ridge]

Both are pretty diff things with whole different team archetypes so whatever feels more fun to play/Face Id recommend you to do
Regardless there’s a learning curve

Doubles looks lot scarier than it is

[oak bone]

I’d be completely fine if you didn't like the list, or you expressed in simple words that it’s bad, I can take that, and thanks for your words I know it does make it a bit wonky, I’ll try and remake it for doubles rn

[gentle crag]

optimussolosanime has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[fair citrus]

Do yall start with 1 specific mon then build around that? Or an overall concept?

[dense latch]

it’s best to start with your restricted of choice

then build a small core around it

[oak bone]

This would be doubles, there's kind of a big milage between S and A

Quaquaval could be lowered

[mighty stump]

Very off aside from Rilla/Incin

[bold geode]

That makes a bit more sense
Though now I will ask, what you base Cinderace off of
Is it like this gen or just overall
If it's more than this gen, I can actually see it
Also yeah Quaquaval could be lowered, actually flip Blaziken and Quaquaval imo

[foggy lodge]

Ok let's start again let's pretend that all the talk before didn't happen

[bold geode]

Rilla Incin goated
Also hello Tofu what brings you here

[foggy lodge]

Why is Primarina an S tier?

[oak bone]

I base Cinderace off of personal experience, and how I enjoy using it

[mighty stump]

Just peeking in

Im gonna leave again

[fair citrus]

I love incin just his play and I got him shiny ctfu it's so clean

[dense latch]

shiny incineroar is peak frfr

[fair citrus]

Frfr

[bold geode]

Oh so there is some personal bias incorporated into it
Eh that's fine though keep in mind I will say it is good to try and have a healthy mix between that and stats
Though once again tierlists are opinion so I can't shit on it too much
My tierlist would look different compared to yours I'm very sure

[real prairie]

i remember why i stopped playing BO3, it takes an age 😭 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2313860156

[bold geode]

I do like that you did put Delphox and Hisuian Typhlosion in B though, cuz one of my questions was if you paid attention to Reg H

[dense latch]

i wish we had a bo1 ots format so bad 😭

[oak bone]

It could be interpreted as personal Bias, I just don't have too much digression as others when I use it due to unexpected moves being pulled out along with item pairing, it’s good to get creative and make things people wont expect

[fair citrus]

Chien-Pao is HIM. Using a rental team while I build up my own team and he smacks

[dense latch]

hate facing bo1 shenanigans but i don’t always have the time for a bo3

[bold geode]

Yeah if you're going just to ladder (closed teamsheets) then yeah sure some stuff is nice
We care a lot about like viability to the circuit but yeah I do get it a bit more now
Doesn't Cinderace get Coaching?

[tiny karma]

Cinderace's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Assurance, Blaze Kick, Bounce, Counter, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Facade, Feint, Fire Fang, Fire Punch, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Fling, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Headbutt, High Jump Kick, Iron Head, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Pyro Ball, Quick Attack, Revenge, Reversal, Smack Down, Sucker Punch, Super Fang, Tackle, Take Down, Temper Flare, Trailblaze, U-turn, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Blast Burn, Burning Jealousy, Electro Ball, Ember, Fire Blast, Fire Pledge, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hyper Beam, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Overheat, Round, Scorching Sands, Shadow Ball, Snarl, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Attract, Baton Pass, Bulk Up, Coaching, Court Change, Endure, Focus Energy, Growl, Helping Hand, Protect, Rest, Sand Attack, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Taunt, Will-O-Wisp, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Cinderace.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[bold geode]

Oh yeah that's a big one right there imo LOL

[oak bone]

Very diversive typing movepool

[bold geode]

Yeah
Reg H gave these starters more diversity imo
Cinderace had Court Change and Coaching to work with so like for doubles
It makes more sense now
As for that like I can't say much other than like I think Quaquaval and Blaziken is a swap and honestly I'm curious as to why Empoleon is so low

[oak bone]

I’m glad I could explain my thoughts in why I shared it so high, and I’m glad you expressed yourself the way you did🙏

[oak bone]

As for Empoleon

Although it does have good spa and spd, it’s not really good physically and its speed is a big downside, along with fire being neutral, grass being neutral, fighting being physical

Fighting type moves like CC will one shot 100% of the time unless its running sash

[bold geode]

Ummmmm
I mean you can work around that right now actually
Intimidate
Tera
Investment
It's actually done pretty well considering what it is

[tiny karma]

Move: Court Change

Switches the Mist, Light Screen, Reflect, Spikes, Safeguard, Tailwind, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, Water Pledge, Fire Pledge, Grass Pledge, Sticky Web, Aurora Veil, G-Max Steelsurge, G-Max Cannonade, G-Max Vine Lash, and G-Max Wildfire effects from the user's side to the opposing side and vice versa.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

thats really cool

[bold geode]

Yeah too bad cuz like
Now that we're in Reg G, Cinderace honestly along with a LOT of the starters on the tierlist really can't work which sucks cuz Court Change honestly is a crazy move imo

[dense latch]

this is my tier list for reg g

[oak bone]

True but I just feel like there's much better investments for Tera in other choices of Pokemon, thought Defiant is a really good ability

[dense latch]

you could argue some of the sad tier into a higher one but i made this kinda fast

[real prairie]

little surprised its not used in niche cases on Smeargle

[bold geode]

Oh it doesn't have Defiant anymore
It changed to Competitive

[craggy dagger]

spatk boost now

[real prairie]

Contrary serperior should be in "If you really wanna use this"

[oak bone]

Yeah, I can agree Cinderace can't really do much in Reg G considering a lot of the paradox mons used and Pokemon like Miraidon, Landorus, Groudon, Kyogre

[oak bone]

Seriously?

That makes it better then

[bold geode]

Yup in Gen 9 it's HA was changed to Competitive so now it gets spatk boosts

[dense latch]

yea that’s fair

[oak bone]

Fair tier list, I respect your choices

[dense latch]

i could see myself not take it seriously before it gets like +4 sp atk

[balmy glen]

Chesnaught is same tier as venusaur

[bold geode]

Yeah I mean the one thing I have honestly learned from VGC comp and from playing Marvel Rivals is like
People will always disagree about something on a tierlist
No one is gonna get it 100% right

[dense latch]

yea i was kinda unsure where i should put chesnaught

[craggy dagger]

why’d you use rivals as an example 😭😭😭

[bold geode]

VGC is a little better about accuracy but like yeah there will always be one thing that's like "why you got this here"

[bold geode]

C'mon bestie I'm Rivals pilled

[dense latch]

but you’re right

[oak bone]

What people gotta realize is if one thing doesn't work for them, it doesn't mean one won't work for another, it’s all depending on the person at play and stuff

[balmy glen]

Chesnaught is paired well with CSR and Venu is paired well with Korai/Groudon so it’s like similar niche situations

[craggy dagger]

yeah but any hero shooter game is bound to have people argue all the time

we pokemon players are different-

[oak bone]

Pokemon by far has the most self entitled fanbase ever

[craggy dagger]

i meant in a competitive standpoint-

[bold geode]

Yeah
I try to give out general advice but I don't mind people trying out a thing or two
Gives motivation when people wanna make something work sometimes and hey if it works it works
Good thing about the game is that this game honestly rewards trial and error

[craggy dagger]

we at least agree about what’s generally good and what’s generally bad

[foggy lodge]

Do you think it works?

I know Paul Ruiz used it

[bold geode]

Anyways lemme scroll up to like prove uh

[craggy dagger]

anyways how have you been, bestie-

[oak bone]

Y'all think Meganium will be more comp viable if it gets a new regional form

Plus typing

[craggy dagger]

maybe?
it all depends on the stats too methinks

[dense latch]

yeah

[oak bone]

Hisuian forms made the normal forms a lot better, it's okay to expect the same treatment for ZA but don't expect too much

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 154: Meganium

Type

Grass

Abilities

Overgrow, Leaf Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/82/100/83/100/80

Total

525

Sableye version 4.28.1

[dense latch]

i think if it’s given a better stat spread

and better utility

[craggy dagger]

i know that someone brought meganium into worlds 2024-

[dense latch]

it could earn itself a niche

[bold geode]

Like mine is different too lol

[bold geode]

Good wbu

[oak bone]

I mean heavy props to whoever made that work, I’ve seen teams work with it but its just

Ehh idk how to explain it

[oak bone]

Ours is sorta similar, we agree in a bit of things

I like how we all Agree Blastoise is the underdog of Gen 1, it really should've gotten steel typing

[bold geode]

I thought about putting like Zard, Empoleon or Delphox in B cuz of Reg H but like they're in C cuz like outside of H uh

[dense latch]

poor chesnaught didn’t even get a spot in the tierlist

[bold geode]

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh I did skip it um

I'll give it B ig

[oak bone]

Imagine being so left out you’re the only gen 1 monotype starter

[craggy dagger]

oh i don’t have image perms

what if i proxy this through bestie-

[foggy lodge]

Does anyone want to run a bo3 on showdown rn

Im bored

[real prairie]

oh hi @balmy glen

just saw you are here today 😄

[twin kindle]

True

Also personal experience just matters , some may have an easier time against certain char or team because of their own experiences and practice w it

[next stump]

yoooo regional stream weekend

let’s go

[solid frigate]

I was gonna say where have you been

[spiral ridge]

Vgc is usually centered around a restricted

[spiral ridge]

Wolfe used recently and basically had to get to like +4 for good damage I’m p sure

[spiral ridge]

Welcome to the club of constantly forgetting 😭

[craggy dagger]

huh?

[spiral ridge]

Gone for a grand total of like 2 days

[dapper crag]

Hello humans

Bye humans

[fringe fossil]

https://pokepast.es/10c99fbb501d38c7
thoughts on this team?

[spiral ridge]

If choice band why not 252 attack

The team is very interesting to say the least

[dense latch]

what format is this for?

[fringe fossil]

Im hoping to build this for a singles tournament at my uni it has a couple random rules like banning some stalling tactics and banning pokemon like like calyrex, fluttermane, urshifu, and blood moon ursaluna.

[craggy dagger]

oo
sounds interesting

[craggy dagger]

im assuming smogon stats

[spiral ridge]

If it’s singles then lando 252 attack speed is probably lot better

I would do like grass Tera blast to cover your water weakness

[solid frigate]

you left some servers

[spiral ridge]

Blaziken you’re frail so leftovers doesn’t sound very good

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger im RAPIDLY APPROACHING YOUR LOCATION

[craggy dagger]

[spiral ridge]

Put sash on blaziken for guaranteed swords dance?

[dapper crag]

How's the tourney?

[chrome knot]

see you soon

[chrome knot]

today travel day, tomorrow recovery & prep, saturday tournament day

[dapper crag]

Aha

Best of luck

Too bad i live in the middle of nowhere lol

[solid frigate]

i can already see Emma just Nyooom their way to the location

[solid frigate]

Urshifu.

[spiral ridge]

I don’t think either lefties or sash can save him from urshi

[fringe fossil]

banned in the event

[craggy dagger]

@solid frigate

[dapper crag]

I like your university

[spiral ridge]

Also same as with lando maybe put some bulk into offense for grade

[balmy glen]

Yes

[solid frigate]

oh

[fringe fossil]

the event itself is really cool you go around campus and fight 8 people like gym leaders and the 2nd day is elite four and a tournament for the winners

[solid frigate]

so OU?

[balmy glen]

It helps in the Zama mu

[foggy lodge]

Oh

[dapper crag]

that's awesome

[foggy lodge]

You are going to vancouver right Keanu?

[balmy glen]

(I still beat him when he was prepping on ladder) but like it works agaisnt every other Zama player ig lol

[balmy glen]

Ye

[foggy lodge]

Zama again?

[balmy glen]

Abt to board in like 30 min and it’s a 3 hour flight

[foggy lodge]

Or another restricted?

[balmy glen]

Nah Arubega

[foggy lodge]

lol

[dense latch]

good luck

[chrome knot]

@balmy glen see you tmrw?

[balmy glen]

Ye

[chrome knot]

dubs

[balmy glen]

Idk what u look like btw so send a pic in dms tomorrow so ik lol

[dapper crag]

Wish there were vgc vlogs but ig that genre died already

[spiral ridge]

People post about going to regionals

[craggy dagger]

man...
if only i made up my mind sooner TwT

[dapper crag]

I'm not great at picturing people's worded experiences

[chrome knot]

LOL aight bet

[spiral ridge]

Usually show photos of merch

[craggy dagger]

-# i dont think its too late to register as a competitor though..........

[dapper crag]

Does Europe have a lot of tournaments like North America?

[solid frigate]

well yeah

[spiral ridge]

do it

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[dapper crag]

I might go study there later

[craggy dagger]

my card has a limit 😭

[spiral ridge]

I’d be surprised spectators filled before masters

[mint void]

yes

[craggy dagger]

specs was filled before masters

[spiral ridge]

I thought you waited on that card limit like over a week ago-

[mint void]

where u going exactly?

[spiral ridge]

You messaged me showing you waiting to buy a pass lmao

[craggy dagger]

no it’s a “you can spend a max of this”

[spiral ridge]

That’s really interesting cus it wasn’t even close to that for balti

[dapper crag]

Wherever the opportunity lies

[spiral ridge]

Ahh

[craggy dagger]

it wasn’t like that last year

[spiral ridge]

I’m too broke rn as well 😭

[spiral ridge]

How much is it to compete?

In CAD

[empty saddle]

i forgor if you can send showdown replays here

[dense latch]

you can

[empty saddle]

mega read for some shedinja cheese, tryna work my way back to top 50 in gen 6 randbats

[craggy dagger]

101 last i checked-

[spiral ridge]

Holy fuck hey teeb

[dense latch]

that's a weird looking replay

[spiral ridge]

Ah damn right on the edge :(

[empty saddle]

idk why it sent like that lmao

[spiral ridge]

Uh just do share link over download

[empty saddle]

why am i boomer

[balmy glen]

Where are u from

[empty saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen6randombattle-2313919477-1mgq209vbkjqt67hke1l7mif6s1xhitpw

[empty saddle]

hihi

[foggy lodge]

@balmy glen

[balmy glen]

Just saw that last night lol

I’m just off Zam completely prob

[real prairie]

Interesting to see what you run this weekend

[dense latch]

pretty much lmaoo

[balmy glen]

Just normal Arubega for the rest of the format but I’m cooking for double restricted

[real prairie]

Exciting to hopefully see some folks on steam ♥️

[spiral ridge]

Where da hell you been

[real prairie]

The absolute shit show when they throw us another random Reg

[foggy lodge]

Santiago regional will be double restricted

So I have to cook for it lol

[balmy glen]

I got to 85% GXE top 15 on bo3 ladder so I was just like ye ima just run the most broken team arubega lol

[empty saddle]

waiting for any sliver of new pokemon content lmao

[spiral ridge]

Real

[foggy lodge]

whaaaat

[spiral ridge]

Jesus

[balmy glen]

Canada locals have like all my worst MUs so this is kind of a funny time to switch to Mirai tho 💀

[foggy lodge]

can we know your alt or you don't want to be tracked

[balmy glen]

uhhhh

I think I’ll hide it for now

[foggy lodge]

Fair

[spiral ridge]

It’s 1/15 guess /j

[real prairie]

The fun I think I can have with Miraidon and scarf Kyogre in double restricted could be funny

[balmy glen]

U don’t know when or if I fell off tho heheh

(I didn’t lose I just stopped laddering lmao)

[spiral ridge]

I have horrible luck anyways it wouldn’t matter

[foggy lodge]

How do you see arubega MU spread for this reg

[spiral ridge]

Unless the name is like unaek

[balmy glen]

It’s insane

Why did I ever use Zama fr

[foggy lodge]

😔

[balmy glen]

nah I’m jk I still think my Zama team at worlds was a good call

If I played the arubega worlds winning team I would’ve won

I 2-0 every Mirai player after I lost to Rajan on stream LOL

[spiral ridge]

Lmao
Vengeance

Rajan is sweet

[balmy glen]

ehhhhhhhhh

[spiral ridge]

Has he been mean to you or someone?
I don’t keep up with vgc community to know he was just nice to chat to when I met him 😭

[foggy lodge]

Rajan was playing Dugtrio at San Antonio

[chrome knot]

girl

pls do not lock miraidon we ALL play cir,,,,

[spiral ridge]

lol

[balmy glen]

Meh glhf I’m outplaying

[spiral ridge]

Cold ass place taking ice horse

[chrome knot]

enjoy glacial lance

[balmy glen]

I will

[chrome knot]

[twin kindle]

Hehe fighting talk :3

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crunch-cat-crunch-emote-crunch-emote-gif-5506737341963771034

Munching ice

[twin kindle]

To see hopes crushed or to see skulls crushed , oh the glory of it all

[chrome knot]

bwomp

i just be seepy at an airport

[balmy glen]

What part of Canada are u from

[chrome knot]

ontario

so i be flyin across the country lmao

[dapper crag]

is that where they have milk in bags?

[chrome knot]

yes

[craggy dagger]

i think so

[spiral ridge]

YES

[chrome knot]

bagged milk is fire

[spiral ridge]

SHE JUDGED ME FOR MY CARTON KF CHOCOLATE MILK

[dapper crag]

I have unsteady hands sounds like a nightmare

[chrome knot]

PUT IT IN THE BAG

[spiral ridge]

NO

IM NOT GONNA LET IT FLOP AROUND IN MY FRIDGE

[dense latch]

i thought people said that as a joke imma be fr

[dapper crag]

Not as good as date milk

[spiral ridge]

IT HAS A SHELF WITH SPECIFIC PARAMETERS FOR IT
ITS GOING IN THERE SOLIDLY

[dense latch]

that's interesting

[spiral ridge]

I’m going throw your bag of milk at you like a water balloon!!

[chrome knot]

YOU PUT THE BAG IN ITS OWN LIL REUSABLE JUG

[spiral ridge]

SO WHATS THE POINT

YOURE PUTTING IT INTO A MILK CARTON

[dapper crag]

Milk is for babies anyways
sips latte

[spiral ridge]

Don’t sip a person :(

[dapper crag]

was

[chrome knot]

NO I AM NOT

[spiral ridge]

HOW IS THE JUGS USE ANY DIFFERENT THAN A CARTON

[dapper crag]

What are balance teams, i keep hearing this term

[chrome knot]

bc its reusable

[dapper crag]

i only know teams in terms of speed control

[spiral ridge]

What about the bags?

[chrome knot]

throwout bag..?

like you buy a pack of like

which has like 3-4 bags

you just don’t understand smarts

[spiral ridge]

Balance is like team that can work under no speed control or just a non prio speed control
Like non prankster tw or icy wind
Not sure how accurate description this is but

[dapper crag]

I'm surprised there isn't a festival where you throw milk bags at eachother

[spiral ridge]

If it’s recyclable I’m pretty damn certain our cartons are too so it’s not a waste difference 😭

[spiral ridge]

Boutta make that a festival and throw them at her

[chrome knot]

someone pls give album recommendations im going insane listening to same albums

hyperpop or indie

[foggy lodge]

Rotations of mons like Incin Rilla Amoonguss to keep control of the pace of the battle and combining bulk + offense

[balmy glen]

@chrome knot u guys are weird why do Canada flights have no movies

Moves are the best parts of the trip smh

[chrome knot]

yeah our flights are boring as fuck

[dapper crag]

Whereville by Pøcket

[left bobcat]

Holy shit that was quite the nap

[bright spire]

To pimp a butterfly

[twin kindle]

Is that mf ham

[bright spire]

Yes I have returned

[twin kindle]

Here to wreck havoc

How’re you today? c:

[bright spire]

I'm good my car is not tho

[bright spire]

Yeah I decided I'm gonna do vgc again

[twin kindle]

What happened :(

If ur comfy sharing ofc

[bright spire]

The transmission is smoked can't even put her into park

[dense latch]

vouch vouch vouch vouch vouch vouch vouch vouch

[twin kindle]

Grandma croaking 0-0
Be safe 😭 cars are rlly iffy

[twin kindle]

Hell yeah! Def the kind of game you need breaks for

Im too rival pilled rn

[bright spire]

Tried solo queuing once and I wanted to summon my persona

[twin kindle]

Would cloak be considered daggers persona

[bright spire]

On another note any vids I can watch fir the Meta

[bright spire]

Yes

[bright spire]

[twin kindle]

Vids uhhh honestly it’s rlly straightforward

[dense latch]

watch euic and san an games

[twin kindle]

OH FOR VGC

[bright spire]

👍

[dense latch]

i think?

[twin kindle]

Damn my pilled brain

[bright spire]

Obviously smh

[twin kindle]

Yeah I agree watch the highlights of recent regionals

[dapper crag]

Is Wolfe's patreon worth subscribing to?

[twin kindle]

You learn the best from the best c:

[dense latch]

@dapper crag this applies for your question too

[twin kindle]

Worth depends on what you want and how much you have

[bright spire]

So you aswell

[dense latch]

i think it is worth it if you’ve seen the content available and feel like you’d enjoy and learn from the content

[twin kindle]

xD naoo, but I’ll try to help you out too

[bright spire]

Good cause I wanna use some funky mons

[dapper crag]

I want to learn about teambuilding and the meta from an experienced player mostly. And i got 15 dollars

[chrome knot]

@bright spire sam (!)

[bright spire]

Hello Emmy

[chrome knot]

haaaii

[bright spire]

How u been

[twin kindle]

If ur financially stable sure,, back when I had it he basically went over major matches , the meta at the end of a month, and gave team evs and stuff

It won’t make you a god at the game but if ur financially stable im sure it’ll be helpful

[twin kindle]

Watch out for emmies wrath

[dapper crag]

Thank you for the input i'll think about it

[gentle crag]

iblisthe has given 1 Gen Rep to stellalunita

[chrome knot]

good!!!

[bright spire]

Watch out for tr zekrom trust

[chrome knot]

travelling to vancouver today ^-^

[bright spire]

Ooooo

[chrome knot]

meeting @craggy dagger this weekend :3

[bright spire]

Only good thing to come from Canada is daniel caeser

[twin kindle]

I like the little leaf

It reminds me of the red in MURICA 🦅 🇺🇸 🦅

[chrome knot]

im a good thing that comes from canada ^-^

look at my other stinky @twin kindle

[twin kindle]

More like cutenda got em

[plain drum]

[twin kindle]

AWEE ISSO BEBEE

So preciousss give hug

[plain drum]

That's me getting squished on the other side of the bag

[spiral ridge]

Awee

[chrome knot]

[bright spire]

But daniel caeser

[spiral ridge]

You and me both

[plain drum]

Are you telling me we are the same Piplup

[twin kindle]

Weird fantasy but okay 🙄

[spiral ridge]

I’m definitely that piplup

[plain drum]

No.

[spiral ridge]

Yup

[chrome knot]

im ngl im so ready to change into jammies and sleep when i get to bnb

[spiral ridge]

Real

[twin kindle]

Wakey Wakey it’s time for school

You’ve been dreaming for 4 yrs wake uppp

[chrome knot]

saw a pretty girl with a rly cute cinnamoroll backpack and stuffy

[plain drum]

[spiral ridge]

‘Twas a mirror

[bright spire]

If this happened to me I'm activating Orpheus bruh

[twin kindle]

reminds me to keep playing dlc

[bright spire]

And royal

[twin kindle]

Social battery has been depleted blip

[chrome knot]

noooooo no this is real life i must go see my wife today

[twin kindle]

Can I schedule a front seat for ur wedding

[chrome knot]

LOL

[plain drum]

More importantly, are there refreshments

[bright spire]

Could I Backseat the whole time

[twin kindle]

I’ll bring horchata dw guys

[bright spire]

Bless

[plain drum]

[dapper crag]

Guys pray that the steps don't reset for Pawmo i beg you

All that work for a Raichu clone

[bold geode]

"No no this is how you do your vows"

[bright spire]

[solid frigate]

lol

i have an idea for Sceptile

[left bobcat]

Hmmmm I like where you’re going with this

Shed tail

[solid frigate]

its actually not shed tail

[chrome knot]

we here ^-^

[dapper crag]

in vancouver?

[chrome knot]

yuh

just landed

gonna rush my ass to bnb and just SLEEP

[next stump]

the release time for the wolfey documentary tomorrow is really weird

10PM UTC

RIP EU people

[dapper crag]

Sweet dreams

[chrome knot]

,,,

[atomic mural]

PEAKKK

[balmy glen]

Just landed time to grind a bit more

[twin kindle]

Peak

[dapper crag]

The aura is blinding

[craggy dagger]

go go go

[craggy dagger]

ah
so you saw that

[chrome knot]

nova can we go to the bridge with bricks

[craggy dagger]

sure-
they did take it down though-

[mint void]

what restricted are u taking?

[balmy glen]

Miraidon

[chrome knot]

,,the bridge or the bricks..

[mint void]

anything special?

[balmy glen]

nope

just gaming for the rest of the reg will cook next reg

[craggy dagger]

the bricks-
go to sleep girl
you can do the exploring tomorrow

[mint void]

what time does Vanc start?

[balmy glen]

8pm Sat

[mint void]

what time 8pm

Vanc time?

[balmy glen]

8am lul

[craggy dagger]

uhh
doesn’t it start at 8am Vancouver time 😭

[balmy glen]

Ye gmt -8

[chrome knot]

est-3

[balmy glen]

Use real timezones

Smh

[chrome knot]

est is normal

run me sets tmrw in person

cart games

[craggy dagger]

oh yeah-
venue opens tomorrow huh..

[chrome knot]

mhm

[balmy glen]

Why ur not going to face any Mirai tomorrow

[craggy dagger]

if only i didn’t have school tomorrow

[chrome knot]

i just wanna game

[balmy glen]

real

[real prairie]

Evening folks

[next stump]

howdy

[real prairie]

Oh shit, just realised we have a double regional this weekend

[craggy dagger]

a double?

[real prairie]

Canada and Brasil

[chrome knot]

special event

[craggy dagger]

ah

[real prairie]

Both are highlighted as Regionals on Pokemon.com

[craggy dagger]

pull up brazil special event while i watch vancouver in person 😭

[real prairie]

Might be able to actually catch both depending on the time difference lol

Ooof actually because Fortaleza is 5 hours ahead, itll start 3am Vancouver time, yeah don't do that.

[craggy dagger]

but it’ll still go into the early hours of vancouver no?

[real prairie]

assuming it last 8 hours, itll finish 11am Vancouver time

might be able to catch the end of day 1 on your lunch lol

could watch some with a 7am breakfast lol

[tiny karma]

Ability: Unaware

This Pokemon ignores other Pokemon's Attack, Special Attack, and accuracy stat stages when taking damage, and ignores other Pokemon's Defense, Special Defense, and evasiveness stat stages when dealing damage.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

still getting on okay with my team? @azure ether

[azure ether]

yep. I'll keep practicing on the weekend. oddly enough I haven't run into CIRs or Kors

[real prairie]

funny because....

[azure ether]

I'm still on the 1.2k range so probably not quite there yet

haven't run into turtles too

[chrome knot]

theyre not streaming special event one

[craggy dagger]

oh they aren’t?

[real prairie]

bummer, assumed there would be someone streaming it

[azure ether]

they only stream LAIC, iirc

[foggy lodge]

Small regionals/specials don't get streams

Which is p much all of latam tournaments

[craggy dagger]

vancouverrrrr

[chrome knot]

yah

hmm see you tmrw or see you saturday?

[craggy dagger]

both prolly-

[chrome knot]

okie !

[craggy dagger]

i actually have no clue cuz i have class tomorrow
but ill try and come say hi

[chrome knot]

just lmk ^-^

[craggy dagger]

okis

[bright spire]

Did you listen to the album I told you to listen to

[chrome knot]

noo :3

the flight was barely an hour long and i fell asleep

[spark delta]

Hey for Vanilluxe which is better Modest or Timid

[chrome knot]

?

[spark delta]

I'm doing sword shield and I was wondering for competitive which is better

[mint void]

idk u gotta see if u want to have a specific speed tier that requires timid

[spark delta]

What do you mean speed tier

[mint void]

https://x.com/chorutowo/status/1876440912731275596?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

Choruto (@chorutowo) on X

My Speed Tier Spredsheet has been updated for Reg G!
You can find it here

https://t.co/A5TnrCdDuG

Its a compendium of the most popular speeds hit, sorted by Pokemon/The stat spread used to get there.
Enjoy!

X · Jan 7, 2025, 1:29 AM

@spark delta

[foggy lodge]

Its hard to tell anything about Vanilluxe because honestly probably nobody here plays Sw/Sh at this point and is a mon with so little usage that yeah

[limber marsh]

does snorlax not learn self destruct in gen 9?

[plain drum]

Nope

[real prairie]

wasnt it in Wolfe list of bad mons 😭

really sad when that happens lol

[limber marsh]

well thats dissapointing

[real prairie]

Yeah it sucks, one day we will get a game mode where all mons get equal stats and it's how you train them that matters, but alas

[limber marsh]

oh sorry i meant snorlax not being able to go boom is dissapointing lol

wow, in fact due to snorlax not learning explosion in gen 9, there isnt a single pokemon with access to both explosion and belly drom

and as the next best thing, the only pokemon that knows explosion and swords dance is shiftry

whats the tankyest pokemon you usually have to worry about in vgc reg g?

cause at the very least, life orb shiftry with one swords dance. explosion is guranteed OHKO on things like amoongus, incin, korai and mirai

[next stump]

bulkiest pokemon is probably amoonguss or hands

maybe calyrex ice

[bright spire]

@twin kindle I might have actually cooked something decent

[cyan smelt]

dondozo is bulky too

[wraith flame]

Any team recommendation that can go well with Gardevoir?

[azure ether]

how does Iron Defense Body Press work vs Unaware?

[next stump]

99.9% sure it ignores the defense boosts

[tiny karma]

Ability: Unaware

This Pokemon ignores other Pokemon's Attack, Special Attack, and accuracy stat stages when taking damage, and ignores other Pokemon's Defense, Special Defense, and evasiveness stat stages when dealing damage.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[foggy lodge]

Its the same as trying to hit at +2 atk

It ignores it

[azure ether]

oh is that so

raid got me cooking on how to deal with it solo

[twin kindle]

Do show

[chrome knot]

im worried

[bright spire]

https://pokepast.es/a772ebd2ebd88be3 I don't remember much but I do remember tornadus go fast

[twin kindle]

ur one sily man

[bright spire]

am aware of that

[twin kindle]

Manual rain isn’t bad though c:
could be fun

[bright spire]

it worked till terapagos ohkoed everything

[twin kindle]

Honestly I say just play for fun rn c: youll notice what’s strong or weak abt ur team just by playing when ur new, instead of overwhelming yourself with all the pro stuff immediately

If you want advice from a nerd though id give gentle nitpicks

[bright spire]

do so pls u nerd

[twin kindle]

Im too tired of life etoday to speak here so let’s do it in DMs

[bright spire]

kk

[chrome knot]

stimky ;3

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 644: Zekrom

Types

Dragon/Electric

Abilities

Teravolt

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/120/120/100/90

Total

680

Sableye version 4.28.1

[chrome knot]

uh oh

[tiny karma]

Zekrom's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Bolt Strike, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Crunch, Cut, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Fling, Fly, Focus Punch, Frustration, Fusion Bolt, Giga Impact, Outrage, Payback, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Scale Shot, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Slash, Steel Wing, Stone Edge, Strength, Supercell Slam, Take Down, Thunder Fang, Thunder Punch, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Charge Beam, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Dragon Rage, Earth Power, Echoed Voice, Electro Ball, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Psychic, Rising Voltage, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Volt Switch, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Charge, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Electric Terrain, Endure, Flash, Haze, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Imprison, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Magnet Rise, Noble Roar, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Roost, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tailwind, Thunder Wave, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Zekrom.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[left bobcat]

Woop

[old tulip]

Quick question if anybody is able to assist with some input
On a set like this (Groudon sun team)
Would you prefer Sludge bomb or Leaf storm?
I have RBolt for water coverage but not sure if I should have a back up for Vena

[mighty stump]

Should be running 2 STAB lol

Weather Ball should not be taking up that spot

Also why do you need bulk when you have Focus Sash?

[cyan smelt]

I was gonna say that, and put weather ball on bolt if you're going to run it

[old tulip]

Gotcha! Thank you for the input!
I thought Weather ball in sun could go crazy but it does make a lot more sense to have the SLudge bomb and Leaf storm!

@mighty stump originally I was going to go Life orb but ended up against it, EV are being redo

[mighty stump]

I think Venu’s best item is CoCloak

Personal tech would also to run Tera Dark to avoid Prankster Taunt and resist Psychic/CSR

[old tulip]

That is a very interesting thought!
Do you like the covert cloak as it allows you to apply a bit more pressure?

[tiny karma]

Move: Earthquake

Damage doubles if the target is using Dig.

Type

Ground

Category

Physical

Power

100

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

Lunala

[craggy dagger]

Lugia tho?
or Eternatus for pure HP bulk

[solid frigate]

yeah but thats restricteds

[minor flint]

Day one of learning competitive im scared

Idk where to start lol

[real prairie]

Check the pinned messages 😄

[real prairie]

@torn parrot invincible was worth the wait

[torn parrot]

yayyyyyyy