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#competitive_discussion
mighty stump
molten oasis
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timber falcon
Ig with the new reg starting, I am seeing a lot of incredibly offensive teams, I’m hoping that this would enable swampert to take advantage in CTS as I’ve tested it a tiny bit and it does get OHKOs this way, and in OTS it hoping I can take advantage of my opponent seeing the set and neglecting swampert, which is why I’m considering yawn
mighty stump
Like it’s why I keep saying you cannot just slap Incin on and call it a day
rustic mountain
agreed
mighty stump
Ig with the new reg starting, I am seeing a lot of incredibly offensive teams, I...
Sure, but again, Yawn is an anti-momentum move
molten oasis
there needs to be reason to it, i think that makes sense
rustic mountain
its still splashable but not in the same way, u really got be specific on what u want out of it outside of just oh incin is good
mighty stump
While Counter/Mirror Coat are reversals against high momentum teams
You’re basically contradictory in that set unless you REALLY need it
timber falcon
I guess I just need a punishment for ignoring swampert though
rustic mountain
i think yawn offers more value and consistency over something like mirror coat
timber falcon
Cause when testing, I realised if they didn’t attack swampert it just sat there
molten oasis
so just, for example. i'm not just gonna slap rilla on a team to do it im gonna add it to give more recovery to prima and also get a portion of fwg core done
mighty stump
I still have aggressive punishes
If Swampert has Yawn/Counter/Mirror Coat
You get taunted
You basically have one interactive move
molten oasis
then harc offers offensive pressure and helps prima with rillaboom and helps its lower defense with intimidate, and finishes FWG
mighty stump
so just, for example. i'm not just gonna slap rilla on a team to do it im gonna ...
Why do you want FWG
molten oasis
uhm, good defensive core
mighty stump
As long as you know
Do you understand that Prim and H-Arc do not offer Steel resistance?
timber falcon
You basically have one interactive move
Knock off maybe? Or STAB
molten oasis
yes
mighty stump
Exactly
rustic mountain
as long as its something that enables ur style of play we were talking about earlier, its really just about rounding that out to be well suited for the specific format ur playing in
molten oasis
but i also dont really want incin tbh so
timber falcon
What if Swampert is the last one left
The mirror coat and counter
rustic mountain
fwg is generally a staple but its not always necessary
mighty stump
Once you reveal Counter/Mirror Coat, people are aware
molten oasis
eh do i want incin? i wanted something offensive to cover rilla and dengo
timber falcon
What if theres both a Physical and a Special Attacker
You mean in a 2v1 situation?
molten oasis
so not really ig
mighty stump
Are you fully aware of all the Counter/Mirror Coat interactions?
timber falcon
Are you fully aware of all the Counter/Mirror Coat interactions?
I’ve got no clue
I guess I should look into the possibilities
mighty stump
You should probably figure that out then
mighty stump
eh do i want incin? i wanted something offensive to cover rilla and dengo
Can Incin be offensive?
molten oasis
uhm
timber falcon
You should probably figure that out then
I can figure that out by testing though right?
molten oasis
if i run av sure
mighty stump
I can figure that out by testing though right?
Why do it the long way when you can read up on interactions simply by googling
molten oasis
or run blitz over wisp
rustic mountain
dont always think u need to fulfill that (fwg) i think thats partly what tofu means. its more about the intention behind what your choosing vs falling into restricted outlines of what u think u need based on those kind of templates
mighty stump
Yes
It’s okay to go for FWG to desire a strong defensive component, but that means you’re accounting for commons FWG systems and how you’re gonna play into them
Sometimes Balance goes double grass FW
timber falcon
Why do it the long way when you can read up on interactions simply by googling
All I’m seeing is this Reddit conversation from 3 years ago
molten oasis
lol
mighty stump
All I’m seeing is this Reddit conversation from 3 years ago
You can just Bulbapedia Counter…
timber falcon
Bulbapedia?
rustic mountain
like how do those choices affect ur ability to win consistently and subsequently interact w/ the meta. thats kind of what your going for at the end of the day
mighty stump
That’s what I mean by having understanding and intent. You’re basically planning your interactions one-sidedly
nocturne holly
What set does support maus run what moves
Super fang
Follow me
Taunt
Encore?
molten oasis
ok
rustic mountain
What set does support maus run what moves
Super fang
Follow me
Taunt
Encore?
i mean if u have ape u need beat up otherwise yea that seems fine. encore could be protect tho
nocturne holly
i mean if u have ape u need beat up otherwise yea that seems fine. encore could ...
Don’t have ape
mighty stump
Like if I asked you “What happens if you click Counter and get hit by both a physical move, followed by a special move”
timber falcon
Like if I asked you “What happens if you click Counter and get hit by both a phy...
I wouldn’t know what to do about that actually, now that I think about it, I also have to guess which mon will attack swampert
nocturne holly
I don’t need any atk since I just have super fang
mighty stump
ok
Another way to put it is to wonder why you want FWG as opposed to other defensive cores like Fantasy core or DFP
molten oasis
super deck my favorite
nocturne holly
it’s decent move
rustic mountain
Wbt the spread
that i dont know, id prolly go max hp and then pick a side of sp def or def to go favored nature on and jus kind of toggle those 2 numbers and adjust as u go. u dont really care about too much speed investment or damage
rustic mountain
u want the speed if ur w/ ape but u dont have ape so yea
molten oasis
well, i'm already looking at rillaboom for primarina but yea thats fair
i could go for fantasy along with rilla
timber falcon
Tofu, what exactly do I do on bulbapedia
rustic mountain
DFP is Dark/Fighting/Psychic idk what it was called
only other cyclical type trio other then fwg too iirc
mighty stump
Tofu, what exactly do I do on bulbapedia
Just google moves and know how they interact lol
nocturne holly
that i dont know, id prolly go max hp and then pick a side of sp def or def to g...
Cocl or goggles? Leaning cloak
timber falcon
Oh ok
mighty stump
What I’m trying to get at
You should be understanding the options you have
And not just slapping them on and calling it a day
It’s a 2 player game after all. And 100% you can find function in subpar sets by making up for it with play
But I just like actively knowing what I’m doing
rustic mountain
Cocl or goggles? Leaning cloak
idk tbh im not a maushold expert haha id say go protect over encore and then go goggles, prolly more consistent/value that way
molten oasis
alr
mighty stump
And it’s a good habit
rustic mountain
u want to keep friend guard up as much as possible, having protect is nice to achieve that
mighty stump
alr
Another thing: If you disagree with me, or anyone else, that’s also okay
What I say isn’t law lol
molten oasis
i get that as well
mighty stump
It’s just how I believe is a good way to do things
molten oasis
im also in the position of learning to be better
mighty stump
What I do may not work for you
molten oasis
due to, events
timber falcon
And it’s a good habit
Makes sense, I’ve read through how each of the individual moves work
molten oasis
and i think i developed a poor view of the game so im trying ti get a better perspective
mighty stump
Theres always pros and cons right
You can play casually and you might not climb as high but you might have more fun relaxing
You can play competitively to try and attain goals
But you might get more frustrated
You might get trouble sooner down the line as the level of play increases
Or you don’t care and find enjoyment in the spaces that work for you
rustic mountain
You can play casually and you might not climb as high but you might have more fu...
yea some guy came in yday or the day before that was like this and i was like u know wat, good on u for knowing ur cool w/ that. i always try telling ppl its the most important knowing wat u want out of the game
mighty stump
Exactly
molten oasis
i want to compete and reach goals
mighty stump
I just happen to be in the privileged position of getting to manage a space and I tend to steer it towards a more competitive environment since that’s what I want out of it given where I am
Space is there for more casual players but I’m never going to advise too excessively according to what people want
rustic mountain
yea for sure its nice to be in a space u can cultivate that enviornment
mighty stump
Yea
molten oasis
i need to learn good habits to vent frustrations, like im gonna try taking more walks
what i was doing was bad
mighty stump
I believe that accruing interest casually can then lead to more interest in becoming more serious
Hence why benefit of a doubt
But we all know competitive isn’t something you kinda stroll into unprepared and expect to have a good time
ornate elk
What is reg H ?
mighty stump
Same thing I do with clients lol, manage expectations
rustic mountain
i think at the end of the day this is comp disc right so by nature its going to be geared towards ppl being more competitive in spirit but that doesnt mean it cant translate to helping a more casual perspective even if your goals dont align
mighty stump
Regulation H is a ruleset that bans Paradox and Restricted Pokemon from play
ornate elk
Ic
rustic mountain
series 1 + basically which is very cool
mighty stump
More specific details such as the list of unavailable Pokemon can be found on like, Serebii
molten oasis
lets things shine
mighty stump
Or Pokemon Home
molten oasis
that couldn't in restricted
mighty stump
I think the news section should have it.
rustic mountain
definitely lets a lot of things shine that couldnt in reg d-g
molten oasis
yea for sure
rustic mountain
even to an extent w/ series 2 and reg c w/ paradox nd ruin mons
molten oasis
im glad paradox also got banned
rustic mountain
yea
molten oasis
cuz it just be flutter/hands everywhere
rustic mountain
bolt too
molten oasis
and moon, eh ig moon is cool, oh yea
rustic mountain
bundle would be good again
molten oasis
bolt
rustic mountain
moon prolly too yea
mighty stump
Bolt would have to meet Great Tusk frfr
rustic mountain
tru lmao tusk as well
mighty stump
Although it’s so fat you can probably live HLR
rustic mountain
maybe w/ intimidate or something, tusk is pretty strong
molten oasis
maybe
mighty stump
252 Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 148 HP / 132 Def Raging Bolt: 194-230 (88.5 - 105%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
molten oasis
that makes sene lol
rustic mountain
wow lol
molten oasis
bolt's a restricted
rustic mountain
bolt is just too good
mighty stump
Fair and balanced
Meanwhile
252+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Great Tusk: 174-205 (91.5 - 107.8%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
rustic mountain
252+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Great Tusk: 1...
i thought itd 1 shot w/ tusks awful sp def
like almost guarantee 1shot
molten oasis
tusk has good hp i believe
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
mighty stump
i might try uh, may try snow again
- Understand what you’re doing with AVeil
- What else can your AVeil setter do i.e. A9
- How are you going to pressure the opponent if you plan on playing setup
molten oasis
yea thats why lol
rustic mountain
i think snow is tough to use rn
molten oasis
- Understand what you’re doing with AVeil
- What else can your AVeil setter do i...
i've explored encore
molten oasis
i think snow is tough to use rn
when has it not? lol
mighty stump
Mamoswine unironically potential
rustic mountain
its had its moments
molten oasis
snow's gonna be hard to use in general
rustic mountain
articuno snow won a regional
molten oasis
true
rustic mountain
abomasnow had some decent placements in earlier formats
mighty stump
Slot in pieces that make sense
rustic mountain
Mamoswine unironically potential
actually yea
mighty stump
No matter where your logic leads
molten oasis
pelipper
mighty stump
Follow it
molten oasis
k
mighty stump
Even if it puts you at a weird position like Chesnaught
molten oasis
im gonna probably play baxtales
mighty stump
Did you know Tera-Steel Chesnaught resists both Gholdengo and Pelipper
molten oasis
i'll need to figure out what to do with a9
rustic mountain
good ground coverage is kind of lackluster atm. ik chomp and exca are around but they arent that common. and mamo can deal well w/ incin/rilla and dengo if u outspeed (they dont have tw up or u can match)
molten oasis
thats interesting
mighty stump
Bulletproof blocks Shadow Ball/Weather Ball
rustic mountain
ursa bm is the best ground type
molten oasis
how much should i be worried about my mu's?
molten oasis
ok
mighty stump
You cannot build a good team if you did not consider your MUs
molten oasis
true yea
mighty stump
Like its basically a team for the sake of being a team rather than being something functional
rustic mountain
archrain/psyspam/dozo/masuape/palance. just some examples of mus to consider
tw/dengo
mighty stump
Keep in mind teams dont have to immediately be perfect MU wise obv
molten oasis
i think right away rain stuff sucks to manage
timber falcon
whats a good idea for a move that punishes the opponent ignoring swampert?
mighty stump
But like you generally should stsrt your drafts out by already considering common MUs
molten oasis
but i've though about bringing freeze dry a9 back
rustic mountain
whats a good idea for a move that punishes the opponent ignoring swampert?
yawn
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
rustic mountain
🥱
molten oasis
freeze dry wipes peli and does a decent chunk to palafin
mighty stump
whats a good idea for a move that punishes the opponent ignoring swampert?
What situations are Swampert going to be ignored in? What are some board states it cannot take damage in?
rustic mountain
oh ur committed to mirror coat? i was sayin like jus run yawn on swampert in general
mighty stump
is bax, idk if bax is notably good for any mu's
FWG Balance
Dragons tend to be good into FWG
That’s their whole schtick
molten oasis
right its a dragon
mighty stump
What does it hate? Primarina
timber falcon
What situations are Swampert going to be ignored in? What are some board states ...
when the opponent doesnt deem it a threat. I mean, its offensive stats arent one to worry about, and it has happened b4
molten oasis
or meow
mighty stump
when the opponent doesnt deem it a threat. I mean, its offensive stats arent one...
Doesn’t sound like a consistent board that it’s not a threat in cause it’s pretty subjective
timber falcon
Doesn’t sound like a consistent board that it’s not a threat in cause it’s prett...
no idea what you just said
mighty stump
Liquidation/Ground move gets screwed by Grass types in general
Rillaboom incredibly common
Then what
molten oasis
so, core wise wouild bax a9 rilla work pretty ok? rilla can handle palafin ok, helps with psyspam, bax handles the FWG cores, rilla for prima, ninetales can encore lock set up mons and set veil for additional bulk
thats not a complete core, its a start tho
mighty stump
Tera? You still cannot pressure. Yawn can get cycled particularly with pivot moves. Loss of momentum prevention in FO
mighty stump
no idea what you just said
I mean literal matchups you can confirm they’re going to be ignoring Swampert
molten oasis
oh i have no dengo line
mighty stump
e.g. Snorlax is pretty much safe into CSR cause I’m immune to Astral Barrage
molten oasis
dengo and archa are probably issues #1 and 2
rustic mountain
Taunt and ignore
i mean i dont think swampert is good but general disruption w/ yawn is its best bet. ik wat u mean tho in the general sense of why run it then. otot jus kinda seemed set on it
mighty stump
i mean i dont think swampert is good but general disruption w/ yawn is its best ...
Yeah, that’s what I’m trying to get at
Cause now it seems your goal is to run Counter/Mirror Coat to be unique rather than to actually get Swampert running
Which loops back to: What is your intent here?
Are you forcing roles onto it that it shouldn’t be attempting?
timber falcon
I mean literal matchups you can confirm they’re going to be ignoring Swampert
archaludon rain teams ive gone against tend to leave it alone and deem the teammate more of a threat to deal with, as well as being able to gain value from electro shot actually doing damage
molten oasis
maybe i could try water tauros? offensive pressure, resists pala and intimidates it, fighting coverage for archa (kinda) and gambit
oh but palafin's running clear amulet
rustic mountain
whats it doing to arch or its team tho?
timber falcon
exactly
mighty stump
archaludon rain teams ive gone against tend to leave it alone and deem the teamm...
Okay, sure, you can probably run Yawn into Rain teams since Swampert resists Flash Cannon/Immune to Electro Shot
Ground move can also potentially chunk Archaludon as well
Yawn into Pelipper since you can’t really hit Pelipper
But then what
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/611618840554e304 This is my basic thoughts for a team based on the helping hand buff given to incineroar (if its a bad idea its because I made it)
mighty stump
Is Swampert really the best pick for that matchup
timber falcon
really its not tbh
mighty stump
You answered the board state question, but you’re still trying to make use of tools not made for the situation at hand
So good job, at least you identified these aspects
molten oasis
rustic mountain
252+ SpA Swampert Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 108-128 (54.8 - 64.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
swampert why do u suck 
molten oasis
eh i could probably just max max on tauros for now
tauros has a neat shiny
subtle but its nice
timber falcon
You answered the board state question, but you’re still trying to make use of to...
So in moments like this, I focus on a different mon or duo that helps me against such MUs
molten oasis
i still dont have much of an archa mu
mighty stump
So in moments like this, I focus on a different mon or duo that helps me against...
Could do
But you still need to have Swampert addin value to your team in a meaningful way that other mons can’t
Anyways, I’m gonna head to bed
molten oasis
i mean rn its like, freeze drying peli with a9 potentially and then hitting arch with 2 close combats
molten oasis
and i put pressure on its tera with ice coverage
timber falcon
Anyways, I’m gonna head to bed
Thanks for the help, nighty night
molten oasis
ty for the help today tofu
mighty stump
Don’t forget to have fun
molten oasis
sleep well, will do
mighty stump
That’s the whole point
timber falcon
Time to get cooking I guess
open path
How would you guys ev train rillaboom?
I’ve gone for more of a defensive build of course, but do you go for both defenses or do you stick to one?
timber falcon
depends on the item i guess
if youre running Assault vest, you invest into spdef and i believe some in defence
However more offensive sets with choice band or miracle seed may not have such evs
strange fjord
Got a team with moderate success so far. Let's see how far I can go
queen talon
Can anyone teach me how to make a good team around Greninja?
craggy dagger
Can anyone teach me how to make a good team around Greninja?
@solid frigate
strange fjord
Got a team with moderate success so far. Let's see how far I can go
Am i cooking?
atomic portal
open path
if youre running Assault vest, you invest into spdef and i believe some in defen...
Thanks ok another mon from my team has assault vest but i think I’ll give it to rilla
gentle cragBOT
Thanks ok another mon from my team has assault vest but i think I’ll give it to ...
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dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
solid frigate
Can anyone teach me how to make a good team around Greninja?
for Higher Power Level Formats Go For Support Fast Taunt Greninja,Which also works in Low Power Level Formats
Lower Power level you can go Specs Protean Offensive
rustic mountain
haha maybe i like the thought process i had a similar idea tho the team looks different (ursa bm and h zoroark but w/ a different dark type haha)
craggy dagger
run protean hazards 
rustic mountain
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2175482624-xhusj9fr5rv1fknp13pnxcnhhsu4necpw
also get this shit out of my face
solid frigate
haha maybe i like the thought process i had a similar idea tho the team looks di...
Huh
solid frigate
run protean hazards <:smile1:1012550709939540009>
Thats Singles Bullshit
Heck i hate Battle Bond lol
craggy dagger
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2175482624-xhusj9fr5rv1fknp13...
pft-
timber falcon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2175482624-xhusj9fr5rv1fknp13...
which one yoy
timber falcon
so the dengo palafin
rustic mountain
yea
timber falcon
what was the point of ttar on their team lol
rustic mountain
psyspam maybe?
craggy dagger
timber falcon
rock slide chessnaught?
solid frigate
what was the point of ttar on their team lol
just Use Incin or Meow lol
timber falcon
tera rock
craggy dagger
why tera steel though-
solid frigate
W h a t the fuck is that Chesnaught build
timber falcon
they playing 4d chess or smth lmao cause im not seeing it
craggy dagger
oh lmao what is this
pallid hare
rock slide chessnaught?
I thought that said rock slide cheesenaught
craggy dagger
i don’t remember making this team 
solid frigate
oh lmao what is this
https://pokepast.es/bc540011243aeef3
at least better than that person
timber falcon
oh lmao what is this
https://pokepast.es/bc540011243aeef3
that empoleon looks annoying af to kill
solid frigate
Alos just use IDBP chesnaught
rustic mountain
whats electrode doing there
craggy dagger
that empoleon looks annoying af to kill
credits to tofu for that empoleon spread 
half of my spreads are just Reg F tofu spreads
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/e86c3d4d727aa787 thoughts
craggy dagger
https://pokepast.es/e86c3d4d727aa787 thoughts
looks solid
timber falcon
half of my spreads are just Reg F tofu spreads
i lost my handout spreads from tofu 
rustic mountain
https://pokepast.es/e86c3d4d727aa787 thoughts
basically the team ive been running but blitz over wisp on incin and peli over maus. its a good core
craggy dagger
i lost my handout spreads from tofu <:mochige:1196954088462631082>
just go through
#rental_teams
rustic mountain
i personally like the weather control but friend guard isnt bad
timber falcon
just go through
<#1054939051364462652> <:smile1:1012550709939540009>
Genius
rustic mountain
oh im also not tera dragon on dengo
timber falcon
i actually never thought of getting sets form rentals lmao
rustic mountain
or water tera palafin
rustic mountain
i actually never thought of getting sets form rentals lmao
why not?
craggy dagger
oh ribombee has a built in covert cloak
nocturne holly
i personally like the weather control but friend guard isnt bad
Yea maus is for arch mu
Chunks it a ton with super fang
timber falcon
all those times i was looking for a rilla set the treasure was one # away
craggy dagger
i’ve-
never lost to dozogiri in reg H-
not that i see much anyways
solid frigate
man dozo is so lame i love beating it lmao. ppl think its easy wins
Meow,Amogus and Murkrow be like:Lel
nocturne holly
or water tera palafin
Are you doing grass?
rustic mountain
yea
rustic mountain
Meow,Amogus and Murkrow be like:Lel
palafin too
nocturne holly
yea grass is good tbh
timber falcon
i’ve-
never lost to dozogiri in reg H-
not that i see much anyways
i lost to it before i even got to the dozogiri part lmao
craggy dagger
ah-
dedenne is too frail-
i was gonna run cheek pouch super fang nuzzle
nocturne holly
I wish dengo was immune to haze
rustic mountain
its jus preference, i like the defensive flexibility and shroom spore immune and rage powder ignore for grass. water is great for extra damage but i have rain and mystic water
i think it also depends on team comp
solid frigate
palafin too
yeah its really easy ti beat Dozo lol
nocturne holly
its jus preference, i like the defensive flexibility and shroom spore immune and...
Yea I just have a lot of things immune to shroom
I also like the extra damage since I’m running ca and not mystic water
solid frigate
i rather just use normal Defensive Solo Dozo with Yawn stuff
rustic mountain
yeah its really easy ti beat Dozo lol
yea like ill lose to it every now and then but the mu is basically 95-5 for me rn haha
craggy dagger
whats electrode doing there
umm-
@bold geode said that it wasn’t viable-
so i made it work
rustic mountain
haha gotcha
rustic mountain
Yea I just have a lot of things immune to shroom
I also like the extra damage s...
can never show too much respect to shroom. i have 2 natural immunes in dengo and rilla and a grass tera on incin too for partially that reason haha
nocturne holly
can never show too much respect to shroom. i have 2 natural immunes in dengo and...
Yea I just feel confident into it tbh
rustic mountain
so do i, hence it being 1 of the reasons for the tera not the only
nocturne holly
yea
nocturne holly
is it better to run acid armor or shelter on hoodra
geasdoesnt matter
rustic mountain
idt it matters right? same effect same pp
nocturne holly
acid armor cooler fr
craggy dagger
16 on shelter to 32 on acid armor but otherwise it’s the same
rustic mountain
oh
rustic mountain
eh prolly better to go acid armor but idt itd ever come up of clicking shelter 16 times
nocturne holly
Honestly doesn’t matter you’re not clicking shelter that much
craggy dagger
yeah
nocturne holly
Dengo so good into hoodra
rustic mountain
hoodra also suffers from dozo and set up/boosts counter in general
haze/encore/taunt
nocturne holly
it also has uses as just a coverage bot
rustic mountain
cuz steel/dragon is good as seen by arch but they obviously do different things overall
craggy dagger
Goodra-Hisui @ Leftovers
Ability: Sap Sipper
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Atk / 76 Def / 116 SpD / 4 Spe
Impish Nature
- Body Press
- Shelter
- Heavy Slam
- Draco Meteor
something like this i think
rustic mountain
tho im thinkin more offensive h goodra no shelter stuff might be better rn
molten oasis
i could see special hoodra being ok
nocturne holly
I think arch is just better rif you’re doing that tho
craggy dagger
ooo true
i just wanna take advantage of sap sipper knowing that there’s rilla around
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
nocturne holly
what atk moves that hoodra use tho
rustic mountain
I think arch is just better rif you’re doing that tho
it is, but what if u dont have a rain comp. sure non rain arch is around but the best results for it are w/ rain. its still a better mon but it limits its use case for what kinds of teams ur putting it on
craggy dagger
azumarill has that which i might use instead of hoodra though-
nocturne holly
it is, but what if u dont have a rain comp. sure non rain arch is around but the...
Fair
Hoodra gets bolt beam iirc
rustic mountain
like i said idt hoodra is gna b good or anything but idt its completely unuseable
craggy dagger
razor shell is prolly better than aqua cutter-
rustic mountain
def on the bottom end of psuedo choices but its not the worst
craggy dagger
right-?
rustic mountain
idt ik much about either of those moves
razor shell has a chance to drop def i think im not sure
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
craggy dagger
both get boosted by sharpness, shell is def drop chance, aqua cutter is high crit
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
rustic mountain
my memory 
rustic mountain
i think whichever ud value more but yea 100% accuracy feels good nd its not much less bp
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
rustic mountain
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2175477940-rzh1c2bizd5bg17kxjuw023t90qjuf1pw
heres the dozo set from b4 if any1 cares to watch. had palafin get crit t2 and still won lmao
nocturne holly
@craggy dagger are you using hamurott
rustic mountain
ofc
sharpness aqua cutter, who else gets those
im curious if any of the hisuan mons outside ones weve seen do well b4 will have any relevancy this format. cuz stuff like kleavor and h samurott and what not just werent very good previously
rustic mountain
setting hazards up while attacking tho is interesting specifically now in a weaker format
craggy dagger
sharpness aqua cutter, who else gets those
gallade i’m p sure
rustic mountain
oh, well razor shell too?
craggy dagger
Gallade (M)
Ability: Sharpness
Level: 50
Tera Type: Psychic
- Aqua Cutter
rustic mountain
haha b/w the combo of those i figured it had to h sam, and sharpness
def did not know gallade got aqua cutter tho
craggy dagger
oh not shell but aqua cutter yes
rustic mountain
hamu feels decently good
wb h avalugg
craggy dagger
gallade gets all sharp boosted moves i think
nocturne holly
gallade psyspam was cool
rustic mountain
usually they troll and do like 2 moves that fit w/ the ability
craggy dagger
38 speed oo-
i can do funny trick room stuff with hisui avalugg
nocturne holly
gallade is just a cool Mon
rustic mountain
or dont give a mon any coverage
molten oasis
gallade psyspam was cool
thats still a thing
rustic mountain
yea
nocturne holly
is
molten oasis
you can still easily use gallade on psyspam
craggy dagger
yup-
wide guard trick room sacred sword and coverage but most opt for psycho cut cause terrain + sharp + stab
rustic mountain
38 speed oo-
i can do funny trick room stuff with hisui avalugg <:KEKW_Cry:11791...
haha id like to see it tbh i feel like that mon is awful. h samm and kleavor i can see maybe doing something
molten oasis
i want to see kleavor maube
craggy dagger
haha id like to see it tbh i feel like that mon is awful. h samm and kleavor i c...
it’s movepool is ver
underwhelming though
molten oasis
kleavor is cool
rustic mountain
yea and its sp def is horrendous iirc
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
rustic mountain
look at that sp def man
molten oasis
assault vest doesn't even do much
nocturne holly
insane def
craggy dagger
it gets strong jaw
nocturne holly
And then stinky sp set
craggy dagger
but it only gets ice fang and crunch
empty turtle
does any one have some tips for regulation H VGC for a beginners if so dm me
nocturne holly
Dengo just feeds on it
craggy dagger
it’s a cool idea but like
craggy dagger
avalugg is just dengo fodder
nocturne holly
Just need tr
rustic mountain
does any one have some tips for regulation H VGC for a beginners if so dm me
i mean we can just help u out here if u have questions. theres not really much content atm for beginners to look at or rental teams published to play since its not live on cart and only went live like a week ago on sd
nocturne holly
avalugg is just dengo fodder
Yea deng9 would just feed on it
rustic mountain
u can check out munchstats for useage rates and what not
empty turtle
ok
rustic mountain
pikalytics use to be good at updating for ev spreads and useage too but theyve kinda taken a backseat recently they dont update as consistently
craggy dagger
lmaoooooooo
36+ SpA Metal Coat Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Avalugg-Hisui: 492-580 (243.5 - 287.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
200%+
it has to tera to avoid anything
id prolly say tera fire maybe?
rustic mountain
ok
other then that, use showdown to practice and get experience of what mons do and how things are. its a lot of interactions to get down so its ok to be overwhelmed at first. ill link u to the general resource provided here that has some good info for the basics and what not
craggy dagger
and crunch is still a roll
252+ Atk Strong Jaw Tera Fire Avalugg-Hisui Power Spot boosted Crunch vs. 196 HP / 84 Def Gholdengo: 182-216 (97.3 - 115.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
gentle cragBOT
Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:
https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)
https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)
https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)
https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)
https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)
https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams
https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon
There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC
mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)
craggy dagger
whoops-
not power spot boosted
252+ Atk Strong Jaw Tera Fire Avalugg-Hisui Crunch vs. 196 HP / 84 Def Gholdengo: 142-168 (75.9 - 89.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
craggy dagger
not even close-
nocturne holly
it’s basically stab crunch
rustic mountain
@empty turtle see above for links ^
rustic mountain
whoops-
not power spot boosted <:KEKW_Cry:1179139983341269104>
252+ Atk Strong...
u gna try stonjourner?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
craggy dagger
252+ SpA Tera Fire Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Avalugg-Hisui in Sun: 224-264 (110.8 - 130.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
craggy dagger
u gna try stonjourner?
no no-
um-
i had power spot on by accident
rustic mountain
lmao i thought itd do more
nocturne holly
That’s cool like an opposite friend guard
timber falcon
so far ive made - progress on swampert team. Idk which mon to add, any ideas?
rustic mountain
not really tbh
craggy dagger
+6 36+ SpA Metal Coat Tera Steel Gholdengo Battery boosted Power Spot boosted Make It Rain vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Avalugg-Hisui: 4440-5232 (2198 - 2590%) -- guaranteed OHKO
rustic mountain
swampert is a mon id think of slotting in to patch stuff up like disrupting ho w/ yawn or wide guard not a mon id begin teambuilding with
craggy dagger
anyways
rustic mountain
if id use it at all which tbh i dont think its good rn
rustic mountain
+6 36+ SpA Metal Coat Tera Steel Gholdengo Battery boosted Power Spot boosted Ma...
this is hilarious
craggy dagger
it’s the only starter pokemon to get surf by natural evolution-
iirc
nocturne holly
+6 36+ SpA Metal Coat Tera Steel Gholdengo Battery boosted Power Spot boosted Ma...
😭😭
Probably could get that in front of it
rustic mountain
i thought surf was so cool growing up lmao the animation in gen 3 was 
spiral ridge
surfs cool
rustic mountain
yea
usually not the move for vgc tho haha unless ur doin like niche storm drain strat
craggy dagger
um-
now i’m just messing around but cool
+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Gholdengo with 3 Battery boosts with 3 Power Spot boosts with 3 Steely Spirits Make It Rain vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Avalugg-Hisui: 288-65088 (142.5 - 32221.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
molten oasis
um-
now i’m just messing around but cool
+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Gholdengo wit...
wpw
craggy dagger
much better
+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Gholdengo with 3 Battery boosts with 3 Power Spot boosts with 3 Steely Spirits Make It Rain vs. -6 252 HP / 0- SpD Avalugg-Hisui: 52072-65120 (25778.2 - 32237.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
molten oasis
there is no living that
craggy dagger
you can’t
nocturne holly
like 3 of each
rustic mountain
hence me saying we playin 10v10 out here
craggy dagger
that’s the joke
+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Gholdengo with 3 Battery boosts with 3 Power Spot boosts with 3 Steely Spirits Make It Rain vs. -6 0 HP / 0- SpD Avalugg-Hisui: 52072-65120 (30630.5 - 38305.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
nocturne holly
Ohh
nocturne holly
that’s the joke
+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Gholdengo with 3 Battery boosts with 3...
Tera steel
craggy dagger
like 3 of each
oh-
the boost on calc is the raiding calc that someone made
+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Steel Gholdengo Helping Hand Atk Cheer with 3 Battery boosts with 3 Power Spot boosts with 3 Steely Spirits Make It Rain vs. -6 0 HP / 0- SpD Avalugg-Hisui: 25360-64536 (14917.6 - 37962.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
the number went down?
or up i can’t tell anymore
also there’s no way to get +6 specs dengo in the first place
ummmm
anyways-
avalugg garbage sorryyy
nocturne holly
also there’s no way to get +6 specs dengo in the first place
trick np trick back 😈
nocturne holly
no I think you’d get to choose the move the turn after
spiral ridge
reaching such a small goal should not have taken this long 😭
empty turtle
hey does any one have any good tips for teambuilding
craggy dagger
is it time to bring back specs harcanine-
spiral ridge
doesnt get old
craggy dagger
timber falcon
swampert is a mon id think of slotting in to patch stuff up like disrupting ho w...
ik, but the set im going for is counter offensive
craggy dagger
if i can even find the set
Arcanine-Hisui (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 124 HP / 140 Def / 108 SpA / 20 SpD / 116 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Heat Wave
- Power Gem
- Tera Blast
- Hyper Voice
the only reason why it worked though was cause of chi yu and Spdef lowering
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
next stump
hey does any one have any good tips for teambuilding
that’s a pretty vague question, are you looking to play double or single battles?
empty turtle
doubles
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/a1645462d9e4e070 any idea's on some members for this guys?
probably something for the mausape mu
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/a1645462d9e4e070 any idea's on some members for this guys?
you can try Harc
next stump
https://youtu.be/UoOqMU9Y7t8?si=VrUWUB3NA2GevO1t this video is a little bit dated but all of the core concepts should still apply
molten oasis
why harc
next stump
this will give you better info than any messages in here
solid frigate
why harc
with Intimidate and Aurora Veil,Bax is gonna tank those Physical Attacks More better
molten oasis
i feel like you missed the tauros
molten oasis
thats not a good enough reason to use it
next stump
I could see support volcarona working on this team
next stump
I was thinking more wisp/overheat/protect/rage power
something to actually hit gholdengo
craggy dagger
fiery dance is also not bad
molten oasis
oh
yea i kinda need a dengo answer
i also forgot about volc being a redirector lol
solid frigate
fiery dance is also not bad
isnt that 50% Chance to get an SpA Boosy
empty turtle
https://youtu.be/UoOqMU9Y7t8?si=VrUWUB3NA2GevO1t this video is a little bit date...
it keeps telling me that the vid is unavailable
molten oasis
yep
craggy dagger
https://pokepast.es/49043cd39d7c8bdb
here’s an idea :0
molten oasis
i'll try volc
next stump
it keeps telling me that the vid is unavailable
i’m not sure why, maybe try a different browser or device
it works for me on phone and computer
solid frigate
it works for me on phone and computer
same it works
forest arrow
whats your 5th?
solid frigate
Volca
molten oasis
support volc
forest arrow
ghold?
craggy dagger
empty turtle
ok thx
nocturne holly
support volc
What’s the team
molten oasis
molten oasis
ghold?
i need to know why
i get volcarona for a dengo answer
and redirection to let bax set up
craggy dagger
i was gonna say add a dengo of your own-
completes a core and hits hard too-
or you can have um
archa without electro shot on a support archa set
molten oasis
ok, so
craggy dagger
but AV hm
molten oasis
what does dengo cover for me mu wise
solid frigate
yeah you really could use a Steel Type
molten oasis
y
solid frigate
Opposing Bax?
craggy dagger
you need a steel type and steel spread :0
steel completes a core but also you could do with an answer to other fairies/ice types
molten oasis
why
solid frigate
Its not only you who uses Bax-
molten oasis
no-
forest arrow
drago has a point there would be a glaring fire weakness
craggy dagger
why an answer to fairies?
well-
looks like you can hit ummm.
neutral while having 2 weak to fairies-
though it doesn’t have to be a dengo on your team-
plus snarl archa can give a psyspam answer
molten oasis
why do i need spread steel damage
craggy dagger
drago has a point there would be a glaring fire weakness
ohhh yeah that’s true-
nocturne holly
What’s your mausape mu
craggy dagger
lmao mausape this mausape that-
nocturne holly
And archa
craggy dagger
moonblast a9 should be fine
sets snow to prevent instant electro and fairy coverage
forest arrow
4x weak to flash cannon
nocturne holly
a9 doesn’t hit hard at all
And if you lead it oeli is slower or oeli can switch in
solid frigate
isnt like the only Speed Control is TW Volca?
nocturne holly
Yea tbh I do think speed control would be good on this
solid frigate
There are a few Thoughts about it
Dengo,Amogus,Kingambit
None are Speed Control but Gambit at least Checks Intimidate
craggy dagger
i can see um-
3 flying weak though ice covers, 2 fairy weak,
3 rock slide weak though ig aqua covers that
i’m throwing a curveball and saying you try um-
empoleon
solid frigate
i can see um-
3 flying weak though ice covers, 2 fairy weak,
3 rock slide weak ...
Empoleon sounds better than Gambit in that team it feels
wait what about Psyspam Checks?
craggy dagger
rilla
solid frigate
thats it?
Gambit at least Immune to Psyspam and could be a great check on Arma depends on your Gambit’s Speed
rustic mountain
reaching such a small goal should not have taken this long 😭
reaching any goal is something though
rustic mountain
haha
chrome knot
nova making the wackiest sets known to man
she gave me a rillaboom set that didn’t have wood hammer.
rustic mountain
molten oasis
she gave me a rillaboom set that didn’t have wood hammer.
i think ive seen that set lol
molten oasis
wait what about Psyspam Checks?
rilla
gambit is not a psyspam check
they usually have armarouge
chrome knot
guess whos slower than armarouge
chrome knot
i think id know a bit abt psyspam mus as a psyspam player :^)
molten oasis
There are a few Thoughts about it
Dengo,Amogus,Kingambit
None are Speed Contro...
amoonguss overlaps too much probably, dengo can work, gambits fine
molten oasis
i think id know a bit abt psyspam mus as a psyspam player :^)
alright wise one, https://pokepast.es/ebfc861a78ee0350 do i need stuff for psyspam mu?
molten oasis
thats, yea thats fair
chrome knot
and knowing youll never lead rilla bc i auto win terrain
molten oasis
yep
rustic mountain
molten oasis
or if i need to just play better so be it
forest arrow
what in the
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2175534922-vl555...
Thats-
a team-
chrome knot
the hell was that
chrome knot
or if i need to just play better so be it
highly suggest the quiver dance bug move fiery dance set
rustic mountain
the hell was that
exactly my thought
rustic mountain
Thats-
a team-
yea its something haha
empty turtle
same
rustic mountain
they got 1500 w/ it presumably tho
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
highly suggest the quiver dance bug move fiery dance set
sure
nocturne holly
damn that’s a good atk sta
molten oasis
what item
nocturne holly
that’s as fast as shifu
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
cloak might not be a bad idea
i'll do evs later, oh do i go struggle bug maybe for spread?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
nocturne holly
that’s a cool move
empty turtle
basically torch song but worst
balmy glen
alr time to use Dozo in the online tour today since I have abt 5 min spent in reg h
bold geode
@craggy dagger what you ping me about?
nocturne holly
bro who runs protect on rilla bro tfffff
bold geode
Oh
Nova I never said Electrode wasn't viable
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/5e8b2ea131fee30b
what else can we add to this?
empty turtle
u need a 6th pokemon but what
nocturne holly
Arch is so fucking annoying
empty turtle
2 mons that can deal with them
molten oasis
ik ik just saying mostly
zinc totem
love clickbait videos. Talks about Blursa 🤣
molten oasis
is this for regulation H
yes
nocturne holly
love clickbait videos. Talks about Blursa 🤣
ursa is annoying to catch
zinc totem
ursa is annoying to catch
yeah but this dude makes funni video
foggy lodge
what else can we add to this?
Primarina is goated there imo
molten oasis
Primarina is goated there imo
waht does it do for me
foggy lodge
Or Annihilape
molten oasis
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/e86c3d4d727aa787 what’s my arch mu on this? Rn it’s just super fang maus and just try and finish it off with setup dengo or t blast ghost from pult
zinc totem
said blursa is "slowest and weakest ursaluna you can ever find" dunno why he even said that but i do agree its kinda annoying to basically reset catch blursa in hopes to get 0iv attack and speed
and seems some people want gamefreak make something like SD to give iv/evs to competitive pokemons for testing and such instead of spamming A button 
empty turtle
how do u find out what evs to use on a pokemon
for team building
dm me for tips pls
im new to team building
foggy lodge
craggy dagger
ttar
foggy lodge
Tbh there are like good fighting types
Only one could be more standard and the other two are niches xd
next stump
lowkey think lycanroc + ttar could come back
pearl wind
lycanrock over exca?
foggy lodge
Ttar + Lycan + Exca? Or Lycan is better than Exca?
next stump
i honestly haven’t thought about it but yeah excadril could fill that slot as well
does excadril get endeavor
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
foggy lodge
Nope
craggy dagger
don think so?
rustic mountain
lowkey think lycanroc + ttar could come back
im sure ur aware of ladder warrior bwahacough; theyve been running it. ive seen it a few other times outside of that
sand is def pretty interesting atm
exca ttar too seems solid
nocturne holly
is the kommoo sand thing good or
next stump
Len Deuel is gonna be using Lycanroc/Ttar/Corviknight/Garchomp core for sure
rustic mountain
is the kommoo sand thing good or
i had some success w/ it early on then it felt lackluster, i havent tried it again since, it def has potential
craggy dagger
kommo sand?
rustic mountain
its just like ttar kommo on the same team
craggy dagger
lemme in on the secret-
this is the first time i’ve heard it-
next stump
he was running this shit in Reg E
craggy dagger
its just like ttar kommo on the same team
next stump
just gotta replace bundle
craggy dagger
oh-
foggy lodge
A Tauros
craggy dagger
delibird
nocturne holly
its just like ttar kommo on the same team
Also do you mind sending me any replays you have against arch
My worst mu rn
balmy glen
he was running this shit in Reg E
I’ll let u know what he’s running at our locals next month lul
Kommo> tho
rustic mountain
<:YunliStare:1270816983914643496>
it won a regional in a previous format, its nothing new. 4 of the members of that team can still be played in reg h (kommo ttar rilla h arc) flutter and bundle being the odd ones out
craggy dagger
ohhhh i see
i’ll have to do some research then-
solid frigate
did somebody Pinged me twice-
rustic mountain
Also do you mind sending me any replays you have against arch
My worst mu rn
uhh lemme see if i can dig some up i feel like i posted one here yday
craggy dagger
did somebody Pinged me twice-
get pinged
violet kindle
did somebody Pinged me twice-
Hi torrent can i get some advice
balmy glen
is the kommoo sand thing good or
Yes, atm it’s meh into Dozo depending on your support and it faces the same problems of Dozo where people are running clear smog which we ignore/ haze but we’re kind of able to adapt in our team
We resist all the things that crit rn anyways
violet kindle
Is this team good i seen it on the reg g and thought it could be good ngl https://pokepast.es/5bcc5f1d3ec3f2ca
nocturne holly
Yes, atm it’s meh into Dozo depending on your support and it faces the same prob...
Ignore smog with tera?
balmy glen
Ye
Dozo is forced to tera grass or tera steel with substitute atm but grass is safest early format so it’s safe for amoongus to run clear am
Or dragon tera with sub ig
craggy dagger
tera dragon dragon cheer a gholdengo 
empty turtle
Is this team good i seen it on the reg g and thought it could be good ngl https:...
its OK but it wont be league in regulation H
violet kindle
its OK but it wont be league in regulation H
I aint doing reg H fr
empty turtle
y no legendary
craggy dagger
Is this team good i seen it on the reg g and thought it could be good ngl https:...
ooo-
korai goltres-
i likey
spiral ridge
kommo sand?
oh i faced this and just hit protect and it killed itself from sand 😭
solid frigate
ooo-
korai goltres-
i likey
i see where this is going
balmy glen
oh i faced this and just hit protect and it killed itself from sand 😭
VGC players try not to forget the right ability challenge level impossible
craggy dagger
i see where this is going
wymmmm.
solid frigate
Goltres technically becomes Yveltal in SV so i can see how it works
anyways should i take my Terapagos Team a spin again or should i focus on Reg H
spiral ridge
VGC players try not to forget the right ability challenge level impossible
yeah i was like "its taking damage? alright"
solid frigate
if you are in a Backfoot?
Damage.
balmy glen
anyways should i take my Terapagos Team a spin again or should i focus on Reg H
Focus on reg h
Reg g will be back in January don’t really gotta play reg g unless your a worlds player
spiral ridge
uh, does flamigo have a way to hit ghost types with fighting moves?
pearl wind
it has scrappy as an ability
timber falcon
any talonfkame sets?
solid frigate
Gamefreak:We Made a DLC Restricted Legendary to Counter Shadow Rider Calyrex
Also Gamefreak:We Buffed Zamazenta to counter The Counter of Calyrex Shadow Rider
Me:Good Job Gamefreak
rustic mountain
i feel like thinking of terapagos as a csr answer is like first 3 weeks of reg g mindset. after the cm dkiss set popped up it just shits on terapagos
even my ho csr team didnt care about pagos too much
solid frigate
yeah I’m saying as In First 3 weeks lol
rustic mountain
ah ok
solid frigate
but like Gamefreak doesn’t really look at Competitive stuff until like Gen 8-9
i don’t see that much nerf back in Gen 6-7
timber falcon
i feel like thinking of terapagos as a csr answer is like first 3 weeks of reg g...
is it beating specs pagos though
rustic mountain
yea
timber falcon
rlly?
rustic mountain
look at any recent tours for reg g, pagos hasnt been doing that well
solid frigate
is it beating specs pagos though
CSR is just…. Got damn it
rustic mountain
its basically just miraidon/csr/kyogre atm w/ cir sprinkled in and a little zama and koraidon
spiral ridge
reaching such a small goal should not have taken this long 😭
would you look at that
rustic mountain
idt it means pagos cant do well but it isnt the natural check ppl thought it was into csr
solid frigate
its basically just miraidon/csr/kyogre atm w/ cir sprinkled in and a little zama...
I dont see that much Pagos unless its showdown which is thats why i kinda root for Miraidon in Worlds cuz Fuck Calyrex
rustic mountain
would b cool for a gen 9 restricted to win
rustic mountain
would you look at that
nice
spiral ridge
would you look at that
won it with a correct wide guard call which made it feel even better
solid frigate
would b cool for a gen 9 restricted to win
Koraidon and Terapagos might not be the one
Miraidon had a Chance tho
spiral ridge
used to be the other way, first tourney koraidon was higher and mir was the sleeper 
wrong kek
rustic mountain
yea things change haha
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/9b2ae662a5951ed9 alrighty so, with this core what should my last 2 guys be? I need something for psyspam, Archaludon, and probably mausape
spiral ridge
yea things change haha
yeah just funny
molten oasis
Idk if I’m forgetting anything else
solid frigate
koraidon is a sleeper pick tho
its Sleeper cuz it also have to Fight the weather war with Kyogre and Kyogre somehow still beats it,We think about Koraidon beating Kyogre in early Reg G lol
rustic mountain
miraidon wasnt fully realized till rajan won w/ it
solid frigate
miraidon wasnt fully realized till rajan won w/ it
And Synergy Trap,Everyone falled for it
molten oasis
Cuz I think my team handles palabalance and FWG balance stuff pretty ok
solid frigate
I did try Mirai Entei lmao
rustic mountain
its Sleeper cuz it also have to Fight the weather war with Kyogre and Kyogre som...
well idk bout beating it but being a natural resist to it while also countering its weather seemed good on paper
foggy lodge
I think there was a japanese players that is playing like Pagos Farigiraf Whimsicott Ogerpon Fire Hands and Flutter
solid frigate
I think there was a japanese players that is playing like Pagos Farigiraf Whimsi...
thats pretty much it For Terapagos-
rustic mountain
And Synergy Trap,Everyone falled for it
thats what i mean tho, ppl undersold miraidon cuz they fell into that bait and until rajan basically shown what it could really do ppl started showing it respect and its been a top 3 restricted since
foggy lodge
I see that as one of the best pagos teams for worlds
rustic mountain
it has a chance to do well
solid frigate
thats what i mean tho, ppl undersold miraidon cuz they fell into that bait and u...
i always put Miraidon in like A or S tier Restricted even before Rajan so eh
rustic mountain
congrats
solid frigate
I see that as one of the best pagos teams for worlds
Terapagos got done dirty by Miraidon and Zama lol
timber falcon
what does moongus run these days, is rocky helm really worth it with shifu gone?
solid frigate
what does moongus run these days, is rocky helm really worth it with shifu gone?
sitrus or Mental Herb
foggy lodge
Rocky helmet p much
rustic mountain
it has quite a few items it can run
foggy lodge
Mental herb dissapeared
timber falcon
is lefties alright
rustic mountain
dont do leftovers
solid frigate
Mental herb dissapeared
nah it still could work cuz Encore-
timber falcon
ok
rustic mountain
regenerator is more then enough for recovery
foggy lodge
You get more value out of switching out
foggy lodge
nah it still could work cuz Encore-
Ah true
timber falcon
maybe some sort of berry, ive got sitrus in use already
rustic mountain
helmet/herb/sitrus/cloak are all viable id say
timber falcon
ill go with herb as i want it as a tr answer
solid frigate
i used to run Mental Herb Torn or Amoonguss before i ditched the Idea in Reg G
but i think In Reg H Mental Herb feels Valueable against Mausape
rustic mountain
taunts decently common
foggy lodge
Taunt Maushold the correct Maushold
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/10cf8718a16d705f thoughts? It could work but idk
Could also give gambit av and rilla miracle seed or smth
solid frigate
Taunt Maushold the correct Maushold
E X A C T L Y Thats why Mental Herb is Valueable
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/10cf8718a16d705f thoughts? It could work but idk
what tauros for
molten oasis
Palafin
foggy lodge
Taunt is one of the best moves on Maus imo
timber falcon
its to counter palafin?
foggy lodge
Without it you can get walled by a follow me mon
molten oasis
Oh well, to be more specific
timber falcon
or is it there to BE palafin
molten oasis
It’s to intimidate non CA palafin and hit Archa for SE
molten oasis
or is it there to BE palafin
I hate palafin so no
solid frigate
Taunt is one of the best moves on Maus imo
yeah and Amoonguss always Survives at least one hit from Ape so just spore Maushold to prevent Follow me or taunt cuz Ape runs Tera Grass a lot
timber falcon
It’s to intimidate non CA palafin and hit Archa for SE
fair enough, though not seeing many who run not CA palafin, still intimidate value
but idk how it fairs into archa MU. Dont forget peli
molten oasis
The resist helps as well
solid frigate
i just run Band Palafin lmao
molten oasis
but idk how it fairs into archa MU. Dont forget peli
I’m faster than both and a9 has freeze dry
timber falcon
sash peli
foggy lodge
yeah and Amoonguss always Survives at least one hit from Ape so just spore Maush...
Most are safety goggles tho
solid frigate
I’m faster than both and a9 has freeze dry
breaking News:A Snow fox just froze All Might
foggy lodge
But Amoonguss can still be a problem if the Maushold redirects it doesn't beat up the Annihilape and if it redirects the Annihilape has to set up with bulk up
solid frigate
Most are safety goggles tho
eh fair
timber falcon
Ok, I have freeze dry doesn’t change that I chunk it
just asking though, when facing such a duo would you first protect expecting a tera?
molten oasis
Again Archaludon no I’m just gonna start hitting it
solid frigate
wait Beat Up Archaludon
timber falcon
see thats where things can go horribly wrong
molten oasis
If it Tera’s to grass it’s just immediately weak to ice
timber falcon
and if its fairy?
timber falcon
Wave crash
not before getting one tapped by electro shot
molten oasis
Who said it’s getting one off
timber falcon
oh?
molten oasis
Ninetales is weather control
solid frigate
Palafin is faster than Archaludon in all Sets lol
timber falcon
so the plan is to swap in a9. I thought you were leading it mb
molten oasis
Idk this team could suck lol
timber falcon
have u tested?
molten oasis
No cuz I was unsure on a 6th
Gambits mostly just a test run placeholder cuz I’m unsure
timber falcon
try out a few MUs in ladder and see how it goes, you can fix it on the way
molten oasis
Mhmm
Play to learn, gotta remind myself that
And I’m solving a puzzle and idt I’m close to completing it
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/d343e7235d89edf9 halfway through with swampert team, looking at the team it looks a tad passive. Since ive gone down the route of balance im thinking about a set up mon.
any ideas on what could provide value?
chrome knot
@craggy dagger PKMN CENTRE WORLDS HAS ALOLAN RAICHU BUCKET HAT
craggy dagger
<@541037106496012290> PKMN CENTRE WORLDS HAS ALOLAN RAICHU BUCKET HAT
I NEED
man-
spiral ridge
ooo?
next stump
the worlds backpack is so cool this year
nocturne holly
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2175593060 what could I have done her e
I had control of the whole game until the last turn
I think pult in the back wasn’t the best
craggy dagger
i like the worlds pika mascot :0
it works so well
nocturne holly
Also maybe grassy glide on the last turn that rilla was alive would’ve let me kill whims
balmy glen
the worlds backpack is so cool this year
How did u get pictures of our gear
Did they release everything in our worlds package already
next stump
I just saw that on twitter
limpid jewel
Regulation H is interesting
No paradox Pokemon?
rustic mountain
I think pult in the back wasn’t the best
that and grassy slide basculegion wen boosted shadow ball gets there. u had no real way of dealing w/ whims peli in the end game. wen taking kos u gta think of how it advances ur gameplan in general. sometimes a 1 turn win actually sets u behind nd loses u the game
rustic mountain
Regulation H is interesting
No paradox Pokemon?
nope
basically series 1 format but w/ the dlc and home mons. restricteds and paradox are banned
limpid jewel
Ah
rustic mountain
oh and like all legendaries
limpid jewel
Interesting
limpid jewel
Ngl I'd like to see what teams are built
rustic mountain
prolly will see a little meta development in some bigger grassroots this month. id say baltimore next month will give a better indication of how the meta will change/progress
nocturne holly
that and grassy slide basculegion wen boosted shadow ball gets there. u had no ...
wdym by the first part
limpid jewel
I've been using this team for a bit and wanna see some feedback
balmy glen
Is this singles
limpid jewel
Here are movesets
solid frigate
Whats with the Hisuian Goodra Flood-
limpid jewel
Is this singles
Doubles, why does it work better for singles?
limpid jewel
Whats with the Hisuian Goodra Flood-
It's my favorite Pokemon :3
solid frigate
Here are movesets
Not a Single One have Protect is weird and no Speed Control-
limpid jewel
I use a different build than most people for it although I probably should put body slam on it instead of acid spray
limpid jewel
Not a Single One have Protect is weird and no Speed Control-
Tbh I'm thinking about putting protect on Serperior and Kingambit the most
Goodra's bulky enough that it'll take a bunch of hits but the thing with Serperior is that it has a really middling speed stat
And Kingambit obviously has the 4x fighting weakness
solid frigate
Gambit does not need Sash lmao
molten oasis
Alr I did the evs for volc, thoughts? https://pokepast.es/4db330e05efe0d9d
empty turtle
Alr I did the evs for volc, thoughts? https://pokepast.es/4db330e05efe0d9d
can u dm me i have some questions
molten oasis
…why can’t you ask them here?
empty turtle
…why can’t you ask them here?
how do u know what evs to put on your mons
molten oasis
Depends on the Mon, for example on Primarina or Volcarona, they have high spD medium HP and low Def stats
So when your ev’ing to live certain hits you usually begging by calcing for physical hits and living those
empty turtle
and do you have any vids on the topic
molten oasis
And you usually want to raise defense evs more than hp
molten oasis
and do you have any vids on the topic
No I don’t sorry
empty turtle
ok
molten oasis
Dillon might have some
craggy dagger
empty turtle
i will do some research
molten oasis
Cool
empty turtle
thanks for the tips
craggy dagger
hellou
solid frigate
i just lost to Scarf Garchomp
WHAT THE FU
rustic mountain
wdym by the first part
u doubled onto basculegion t4 wen shadow ball gets the ko assuming they arent like tera water but keeping rilla in there to basically eat the hurricane and then die the next turn hurt u in the long run. in the same way tera'ing dengo to dragon helped u in the moment but screwed u in the end game cuz whims jus exerted pressure onto both pult and it. u gta think of ur choices and what they are going to accumulate over the course of the game
solid frigate
Dude scarf garchomp + kilowattrel disquake
Its not even Kilowatterl-
still river
Its not even Kilowatterl-
What is it
next stump
is it better for me to calculate my own evs or look them up online
if you’re new, just take EVs from a website like Munchstats.com
solid frigate
What is it
Gardevoir.
empty turtle
ok thx
still river
Lol
molten oasis
Welp I got cooked by Hydrapple Cinderace, calm mind espathra with stored power, and Jolteon
Low ladder is something else lol
solid frigate
Welp I got cooked by Hydrapple Cinderace, calm mind espathra with stored power, ...
Its a sign to come back to Hydrapple lol
rustic mountain
molten oasis
It’s just not lol
solid frigate
welp Choice Band Basculegion in Rain almost OHKOs Tera Fighting Koraidon lmao
cyan smelt
Is hydrapple any good in reg h
solid frigate
I’m trying to Build Kieran’s Team in Reg H lmao
cyan smelt
Build Geeta's team
solid frigate
Build Geeta's team
actually Geeta’s Indigo Disk Team is Really good if i try to make it Doubles
but Kieran is more easier cuz his Team at least has a Thing for it
cyan smelt
Also Kieran's team doesn't have avalugg lol
solid frigate
Also Kieran's team doesn't have avalugg lol
Lmao tru
foggy lodge
But i think P2 is goated in this reg i don't know how you are supposed to kill it without Annihilape or knock off
cyan smelt
Maxi you might want to get rid of eq since rilla is everywhere
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
cyan smelt
SD?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
cyan smelt
Oh yeah I was watching a game yesterday and someone used gardevoir to skill swap commander from dondozo
Got all its stat boosts lol
molten oasis
The teams also weak to mausape
cyan smelt
Oh wait it must've skill swapped unaware
molten oasis
Not sure what to do about that tbh
nocturne holly
u doubled onto basculegion t4 wen shadow ball gets the ko assuming they arent li...
Yea I was assuming tera water and I wasn’t sure if I lived last respects
But yea tera made me weak to whims
Arch is so annoying
Exerts so much pressure
nocturne holly
Like what mons help with mausape?
Horoark
cyan smelt
Ursa bm and farig