competitive_discussion

[jade dust]

And how to beat other tailwind

[craggy dagger]

okay but what am i bringing?

why would they have tailwind up if-

[dapper crag]

Iron Bundle's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Avalanche, Body Slam, Drill Peck, Facade, Fling, Flip Turn, Giga Impact, Ice Punch, Ice Spinner, Play Rough, Present, Take Down, Thief, U-turn

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Blizzard, Chilling Water, Freeze-Dry, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Powder Snow, Swift, Tera Blast, Water Pulse, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Agility, Aurora Veil, Electric Terrain, Encore, Endure, Helping Hand, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Substitute, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Iron Bundle.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[foggy lodge]

who plays Miraidon bundle tho

[bold geode]

Also Miraidon Bundle isn't like a very common thing

[craggy dagger]

oh i know

[foggy lodge]

That was like super early reg G meta

Literally day 2-3 meta

[jade dust]

I ran into 3 in a row when I used my Kyoger team. That’s what made me pick indeedee

[craggy dagger]

you lead whimsicott rillaboom

if they protect the bundle for fake out
encore the protect

plus it'll resist most of mirai's attacks and without terrain mirai kinda
still hits hard but less hard
rilla can take a draco

cool :3

now what

also they wont have tailwind up if they lead bundle mirai

[nocturne holly]

Tsareena is more of an HO style of kyogre right

[craggy dagger]

from what i've seen yes

[jade dust]

I never said both bundle and tailwind together

[foggy lodge]

you also pressure w grassy glide on bundle

[jade dust]

I mean other teams that have tailwind

[craggy dagger]

then whats this

[foggy lodge]

worst case would be fighting against the common Miraidon archetype

That is tailroom

[jade dust]

Yeah I meant when they have tailwind in other teams

[bold geode]

Honestly Shilliang had it in NAIC
Just bulking the shit out with Screens + Intimidates or ToR drops and healing back up for Spouts

[craggy dagger]

if they have tailwind on the other side
just encore it with whimsy

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/galarian-moltres-moltres-galar-galar-moltres-moltres-galar-gif-25764232

you still can play around that tho

[craggy dagger]

not if you lead whimsy mirai xD

[foggy lodge]

Exactly

[craggy dagger]

just blast that bird with a discharge or a volt switch
(even though that bird is amazing and is my fav out of the three)

[jade dust]

I have a problem with using 3 grass types

Whim, rilla and tserena

You lack coverage and defensive switch in

[craggy dagger]

what-

i never said to use whims next to rilla and tsareena

you asked what i was bringing on a bundle mirai lead

not with that specific team

[jade dust]

So then Kyoger tserena struggle to mira bundle like I said

[craggy dagger]

not really

[bold geode]

Just use Rilla or Tsareena

And use other things that help against the MU

[craggy dagger]

lead rilla tsareena
or if you want
tera grass kyogre to resist mira and bring rilla

[foggy lodge]

What was the debate about even

I don't remember

[craggy dagger]

or even just
lead kyogre rilla fake out mirai and let kyogre do its thing

since booster bundle is gone

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[next stump]

Bundle is a 1% usage pokemon

why account for that when building

[craggy dagger]

true

[foggy lodge]

Not even that

You usually already have "counters" to Bundle without knowing lol

[bold geode]

Lmao
Bro fought the most unused and honestly most shit duo a few times and said "fuck it, gotta build against that IN SPECIFIC"

[craggy dagger]

like
i understand that bundle might be scary but most of the time you can nuke it

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 991: Iron Bundle

Types

Ice/Water

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

56/80/114/124/60/136

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[bold geode]

What item you using on Kyogre?

[fast mason]

anyone here good at doubles and wanna play with me?

im tryna get into vgc but struggling and im looking to learn and get better

[jade dust]

It’s not just specifically that, against other tailwinds I have indeeedee to trick room

[foggy lodge]

I could play rn

Showdown or console?

[jade dust]

Kyoger, Archaludon and urshifu aren’t speeding anything that has tailwind themselves

[bold geode]

Idk if anyone here really wants to play a match rn, up to them
BUT
Here in pins, we do have a ton of resources that can also help you learn and stuff
#competitive_discussion message

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

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[bold geode]

You don't need that though

[fast mason]

oh cool thanks im on console 🙂

[gentle crag]

goodpat has given 1 Gen Rep to maxihd

[foggy lodge]

Give me one minute to connect the things and i enter

[bold geode]

Usually you can bulk that shit out bro how many times we gotta say that

[fast mason]

ive consumed quite a bit of vgc content but i find i learn a lot better playing first hand

[fast mason]

fs bro ill dm u

[next stump]

welcome 🙂 VGC is a great game

pretty much everyone in this chat plays VGC and not singles

[bold geode]

Singles players bashing their desks rn

[devout nebula]

terapagos is actually really good if used right

i just played it

[nocturne holly]

Dillon would kyogre/incin/amoonguss/indeedee be a good place to start off you think I would run into the same problem where I wouldn’t be able to lead as strong

[bold geode]

Think that would probably be a struggle yeah

[fast mason]

thanks man

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1721777275:R>.

[next stump]

I think that core is good but if you are finding bringing Indeedee awkward, swap to Rilla

or Grimm

[nocturne holly]

Would like double grass be weird

[bold geode]

I think Grimm or Rilla would be better so you're not dancing around your own terrain for Fake Outs tbh

[nocturne holly]

I’ll do rilla

[next stump]

I promise double grass is not weird, just don’t bring both into CIR obviously

[nocturne holly]

Yea def

[next stump]

into CIR your lead is usually just Incin + Kyogre with maybe Amoonguss or Rilla + Urshifu in the back

if you don’t have Ursh on the team, whatever your 6th is

[craggy dagger]

me rn

[bold geode]

Why do that

[craggy dagger]

cause i play singles

[bold geode]

Oh no

[silver ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-11895255

[craggy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/inabakumori-rainy-boots-bop-gif-22076980

[nocturne holly]

Probably gonna finish the team with bolt/shifu/grimm

Bolt and shifu seems cool

But grim has so much value with screens

[craggy dagger]

i am the singles turned vgc player

[silver ravine]

It makes sense as 99% of all the games are single battles.

[long narwhal]

Can any1 help me build a team with 1 ANY legendary polemon

[devout nebula]

i have a question. indeedes hidden ability psychic surge renders her helping hand and follow me useless. atleast that was what it was when i tested the team on poke showdown. Is that the meaning and do i have to swap out those 2 moves or is there a unique gimmick ive missed

[molten oasis]

Indeedee stops outgoing priority attacks with psychic terrain

Helping hand and follow me work just fine as they aren’t hitting the opponent

Moves like sucker punch and extreme speed don’t work through psychic terrain

[devout nebula]

is that a faulty in the system for poke showdown and does it work in the real game?

[foggy lodge]

Maybe sd bug?

[devout nebula]

maybe

[pallid hare]

its an actual mechanic behind psychic terrain, it nullifies priority

[molten oasis]

Probably a bug

[devout nebula]

it wouldnt allow me to use it and i got fucked in the ass because of it

[molten oasis]

Helping hand?

[foggy lodge]

Showdown is fiable anyways, it rarely bugs but maybe you just had a very bad luck with that bug lol

[devout nebula]

follow me

[molten oasis]

wtf

Likely just a bug

[devout nebula]

if it works in the real game thats all i need to know

[ember niche]

Can anyone convert this for as in how much of each item I would have to use?

188 HP 128Def 192 SpD

[next stump]

were you taunted?

I have never seen that bug on Showdown and I’ve probably been in 1000+ games with Indeedee

[devout nebula]

i wasnt taunted but now its not letting me protect

wait i think i know why

[next stump]

18 HP Ups + 8 Health Feathers

12 Iron + 8 Defense Feathers

19 Zinc + 2 SpD Feathers

[ember niche]

🙏🏾 thank you

[gentle crag]

anthology24 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[next stump]

what happened

[foggy lodge]

damn bro wtf another bug?

[devout nebula]

Atp i dont think its a bug

yep i know why

[chrome knot]

imprison ?

can i have a replay after

[devout nebula]

it was the item i used

[chrome knot]

assault vest…?

[devout nebula]

accident.

[chrome knot]

…..

[devout nebula]

..

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger pleaseeeee

[next stump]

chat dead

[devout nebula]

https://pokepast.es/4a10f01ff92791ce

revive chat

[fast mason]

is reuniclus good or at least useable in reg g i really like it

dont wanna force it if its bad tho

[nocturne holly]

Fire pon is like negative synergy with kyogre and rain

[devout nebula]

yeah thought so

should switch to wellspring?

[nocturne holly]

It’s an option

Shifu would also be ok imo

Also why iron head on dengo

[balmy glen]

Negative synergy isn’t always bad to be fair but depends

Like for vr tour my friends have been working on amoongus in Mirai and it got top 16 in that

[foggy lodge]

In santiago the team that won was one of Ogerpon Hearthflame with Pelipper

[devout nebula]

high chance to flinch

[rustic mountain]

is it that much anti synergy wen u know ur terrains gna be overridden like most of the time? haha

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/085a4bd3a5d39637

[devout nebula]

mediocre chance to flinch actually

i do get flinches often tho

[balmy glen]

i mean u can say the same for weather to be fair but yeah theres more terrain switches

[nocturne holly]

Damn haven’t seen that team that’s cool

[rustic mountain]

yea tru. i mean they def arent the most intuitive combo

[foggy lodge]

Is pretty cool

I might try it but i'm too comfortable with Michael's team

[rustic mountain]

the one w/ ttar?

[foggy lodge]

Nao

The one from stockholm

[balmy glen]

idk whos team ill run with

[devout nebula]

tbh i really like heartflame ogerpon

[rustic mountain]

still got some time to decide

[balmy glen]

but its either Riley, Michael, whatever my other friends build in my server

[devout nebula]

heartflame works better for me

[rustic mountain]

yea heartflame been picking back up recently

[balmy glen]

ye

Hearthflame is solid was thinking wolfey might as well go back to it with csr lol

[devout nebula]

lol

[balmy glen]

he could literally just go his entire NAIC team and then just add hearthflame over pelipper

[rustic mountain]

yea tru

[devout nebula]

yeah

[chrome knot]

yknow what else goes with hearthflame….

[balmy glen]

every mon

[chrome knot]

cir yayyyyy

[devout nebula]

?

[rustic mountain]

wellspring stocks are in the dirt

[balmy glen]

me when i wall u with pelipper

[foggy lodge]

what happened to herrr

It's my favorite form :'v

[chrome knot]

me when i have 4 other pokemon on my team

[balmy glen]

no u dont

[chrome knot]

rats!!

[rustic mountain]

jus fell off kinda hard in useage. it used to be everywhere

[balmy glen]

cuz I walled them with Pelipper Zama

gg Emma go next

[devout nebula]

hearthflame is the best version!!!

[foggy lodge]

Urshifu outclassing?

[chrome knot]

me when im playing text chat pokemon

[balmy glen]

yup

[rustic mountain]

basically yea

[chrome knot]

(loser activity🔥🔥🔥)

[foggy lodge]

i hate it

[balmy glen]

I did that with so much people when showdown was down it was so funny

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[chrome knot]

what being chronically on showdown does to a mf

[fast mason]

how come knock off still works on covert cloak

[rustic mountain]

cuz it does

[fast mason]

shouldnt covert cloak ignore the fact that it knocks off the item

[balmy glen]

happens when you go from a hard FPS grinder to a hard pokemon grinder

[chrome knot]

personally wouldn’t do that to a pokemon

[balmy glen]

never get tired of the game and cant get off the game

[balmy glen]

?

[chrome knot]

LOL

[balmy glen]

!?

[devout nebula]

????

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger pleaaseeeeeeee

[rustic mountain]

i think the secondary effect falls under a different category for knock off. like its taking off ur item not lowering a stat or w/e

[devout nebula]

i love gholdengo man

[rustic mountain]

cuz then it goes into like ability territory. only stuff like sticky hold can prevent items from being removed via knock off

[fast mason]

hm ok makes sense ig

[rustic mountain]

its kinda weird but i think they just didnt want an item that basically means u cant remove said item, would kinda be ridiculous

[fast mason]

yeh tru it would be kinda broken so thats fair

[fervent raven]

Is it alright if I could have some critiques for my pokemon team? I'm not entirely sure which pokemon should be the sixth member https://pokepast.es/df0ba3acb42f36b2

[rustic mountain]

singles im guessing?

[fervent raven]

Yup!

[rustic mountain]

i play vgc cant really help u much there. i will say tho id pick a restricted since reg g allows one

unless its some other smogon format

[fervent raven]

Oh do you have some examples of restricted pokemon?

I think I don't have coverage against flying and ice pokemon

[rustic mountain]

restricteds are box legends w/ higher bst, so kyogre, zacian, calyrex horse forms

[long narwhal]

What should i change and add to this singles team? No legendary. Skeledirge, garchomp, volcarona and ferrathorn

[craggy dagger]

aaaaaaaaaaa
still not homeeeee TwT

[fervent raven]

Neat!

[rustic mountain]

theres like official lists u can look at online to see the whole list, theres quite a decent number of em at this point

[nocturne holly]

I have like 3 variations of a team I need help choosing one 😭
https://pokepast.es/b8f8dccaf9fe42f5
https://pokepast.es/dfdd5f698e6b40d7
https://pokepast.es/6e2de6d9d2fe27d3

[rustic mountain]

i mean, they all are relatively similar haha i think it depends wat one u feel u play the best w/ and gives u the most options. i personally prefer rilla on the cir comp

[nocturne holly]

Yea I’m leaning towards the rilla incin one

They’re like all so similar and that’s what makes it harder to choose

[rustic mountain]

easier pivoting for me and added offensive pressure but shroom def is viable there

[nocturne holly]

I’m just not feeling firepon on here though it’s really good for the zam mu

[foggy lodge]

Why did you choose Farigiraf over Pelipper?

[rustic mountain]

prio block and another tr setter

[nocturne holly]

Anti FO is so good in a really fo heavy meta

[long narwhal]

I use cir rilla incin peliper for koraidon and other horses regin bolt and urshifu water

[rustic mountain]

i feel like a lot of ppl have opted for giraffe over peli on those comps

[devout nebula]

all of them are really good 😭

[nocturne holly]

Yea it’s like one of the best archetypes rn

[rustic mountain]

yea u cant really go wrong w/ any of those

[foggy lodge]

True

[nocturne holly]

Ok thx

[devout nebula]

use whatever u feel like you play better with

idk

[nocturne holly]

Also w pfp ive gotten into berserk a little lol

[rustic mountain]

top tier manga

[fervent raven]

Is dusk mane permitted in VGC?

[rustic mountain]

yep

[fervent raven]

Cool!

[nocturne holly]

Yea im liking the incin rilla variant the most

I like playing with pivots a lot

[nocturne holly]

Top tier trama

[rustic mountain]

[nocturne holly]

What ewstricted are you using rn??

[rustic mountain]

cir

[chrome knot]

what the heckkkkkkkk

[jade dust]

Well what do you do against other tailwind users?

[bold geode]

Bulk that shit out

Or use my own TW or Icy Wind
I don't do Trick Room

[jade dust]

The thing is Kyoger isn’t fast

It can’t compete to other tailwind

[next stump]

you dont need to always move first in pokemon, that's why screens/AV/bulk in general exists

[jade dust]

Kyoger kinda wants to keep that speed neutral so rain in the last one to activate

[jade dust]

I guess so

I have won’t games where they had imprison

By doing coaching on caly ice

[rustic mountain]

oh arent u the coolest

[balmy glen]

[jade dust]

The main problem is Kyoger needs high hp to deal damage

[bold geode]

Yeah I am

[rustic mountain]

no it doesnt thats just for spout specifically

[next stump]

the majority of high elo kyogre teams right now dont even run water spout

[rustic mountain]

a lot of high ladder players are doing calm mind lefties no spout jus pulse

[next stump]

it's origin pulse/ice beam/calm mind/protect

[chrome knot]

@bold geode wyd rn

[jade dust]

Until they miss lol

[bold geode]

Eating

[rustic mountain]

hence the bulk and screens

[bold geode]

What are you doing now

[chrome knot]

log the fuck into swsh.

[rustic mountain]

did u find fini

[bold geode]

No

[chrome knot]

yeah c:

[rustic mountain]

nice

[chrome knot]

and the route is piss easy

[rustic mountain]

pog

[jade dust]

I wish tapus were in sv

I would use tapu fini

[rustic mountain]

maybe back next gen

[chrome knot]

i get to start with clefairy
vespiquen
lilligant + vileplume scientist before
electric terrain rising voltage luxray + heal before fini

[rustic mountain]

yea thats pretty ideal

[nocturne holly]

🔫🫵

[chrome knot]

raichu & lilli carry lightscreen + friend guard

nobody dies its so nice

[jade dust]

Tapu Bulu is trash but Koko and Fini would be good

[rustic mountain]

only one thatd b bad would b bulu. lele is good too

[jade dust]

Eh

[rustic mountain]

gta love those paths

[jade dust]

Indeedee replaced it

[chrome knot]

lele is a better indeedee…

[rustic mountain]

they are very different mons outside setting terrain

i used lele a bit in swsh its goated

[jade dust]

Lele deals damage and doesn’t have follow me

[rustic mountain]

that would be the big difference yes

[chrome knot]

and lele isnt ugly and fat

[jade dust]

What

[rustic mountain]

[jade dust]

Indeedee is very cute

[rustic mountain]

i like indeedee but that made me lol

[chrome knot]

indeedee is a bean that just sounded funny in my head

[rustic mountain]

i got lucky w/ lele, got it shiny on my 2nd run

[chrome knot]

im on run almost 20

[rustic mountain]

not too bad

[chrome knot]

i just need 2 friends

to play all night tbh which i lack rn

[jade dust]

Tapu fini is better primarina

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 788: Tapu Fini

Types

Water/Fairy

Abilities

Misty Surge, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/75/115/95/130/85

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[jade dust]

Primarina deals more damage and has water hypervoice but fini puts terrain and is tankier

[rustic mountain]

yea its a legend id hope itd b better haha

prim also has more immediate damage since its sp atk is pretty high

and its ability is pog

[jade dust]

I like primarina a lot but really lacks in defense

[chrome knot]

when the starter has mid af stats

[rustic mountain]

its power crept big time now

cant really see it having much of a role or place atm

[rustic mountain]

we need a good water starter to complete the trio

[rustic mountain]

[jade dust]

Liquid voice is a good ability but misty terrain is even better

[rustic mountain]

overall fini is obviously better i jus was giving the one thing prim has over it

[chrome knot]

tera water incineroar!!!

[rustic mountain]

[jade dust]

I mean we had “good” water starters

[rustic mountain]

such as

[jade dust]

Greninja is good for singles

[rustic mountain]

yea but we play vgc

[chrome knot]

we play vgc

[jade dust]

Swampert was pretty good as well

Specially when it got the mega

[rustic mountain]

stoise was solid for a minute in swsh prim has had fringe use. other then that idt its been much else

i think swampert was still heavily outclassed even w/ mega

[chrome knot]

megas format was

[rustic mountain]

i didnt play that gen tho so im not 100%

[chrome knot]

fast but i was also a child

[jade dust]

It was really good with primal Kyoger

[rustic mountain]

yea i jus didnt play gen 6 at all

but ik from like other players talkin about it and watching vids

megas seemed very centralizing

[rustic mountain]

that design is terrible watd they do to u swampert

[jade dust]

He went to the gym

[rustic mountain]

nd skipped leg day every time

[jade dust]

True

like me

[rustic mountain]

[nocturne holly]

my legs are fucking huge (no they aren’t just saw my pump and my calves are fucking tiny)

calves are so genetic it makes me pissed

[jade dust]

I hate leg pain

[chrome knot]

my legs are beeg

[rustic mountain]

who likes leg pain

[chrome knot]

i was a track athlete yay

[rustic mountain]

[jade dust]

I know, everyone hates it, that’s why a lot skip legs

[rustic mountain]

haha ig

[jade dust]

I work in a mall and standing and walking all day

[rustic mountain]

i think ppl jus like focusing more on the "glamour" muscles

[jade dust]

It’s just too much to add leg workout

[rustic mountain]

fair enough

[chrome knot]

legs support everything

shoutouts to the legs

[rustic mountain]

tru

[chrome knot]

theyre so cool

[rustic mountain]

🦵

do the tapus have legs

[nocturne holly]

Legs are not fun to train tho 😡

[rustic mountain]

or they just are levitating balls

[nocturne holly]

no

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/tapukoko.gif

[nocturne holly]

Oh maybe

[rustic mountain]

eh kinda

ngl tapus are great designs

[nocturne holly]

Yea they’re one of the best in alola

[chrome knot]

yeah im gonna say tapu koko has no legs

[rustic mountain]

alola is jus a solid ass gen for designs

[chrome knot]

bc no way she lettin that shit swing like dat like tuck girl tuck

[nocturne holly]

Like unironically incin is one of my favorite designs ever

[rustic mountain]

its a cool design

[jade dust]

Agree

[rustic mountain]

starters are all good, legends are good, ubs are cool af, tapus

[jade dust]

Eh they had Trump

Lmao

[nocturne holly]

?

[rustic mountain]

other mons too like isnt dhelmise gen 7?

[nocturne holly]

I think

[rustic mountain]

that mon is cool

[nocturne holly]

Alolan marowak again a cool concept

[rustic mountain]

eh not every design is gna b good haha but also ppl prolly like it

ur least fav is someones #1

[jade dust]

I don’t think anyone likes the monkey trio

[rustic mountain]

they do

[jade dust]

The ones with starter types

[rustic mountain]

trust me ive had this convo

[jade dust]

Lmao, those are the least favorites by far

[patent marsh]

This mon predicted trump's ear

[jade dust]

LOL

[rustic mountain]

generally they are looked on as such but some ppl i talked w/ were raving how much they love them

[jade dust]

Weirdos

Garbondo is trash too

Literally

[rustic mountain]

i find em basic and not that appealing

[patent marsh]

Semipour just vibing though how no like

[rustic mountain]

i like trubbish but garbodor is weird. again tho some ppl love those mons

[jade dust]

Gen 5 had some of the best but also some of the worst designs

[molten oasis]

What are we discussing today

[rustic mountain]

mon designs

[jade dust]

Ugly mons

[molten oasis]

Very nice

[jade dust]

Gen 5 had both extremes

The worst designs and the best too

[rustic mountain]

id say gen 5 was mostly hits

[jade dust]

I hate the genies

[rustic mountain]

def some duds but it was all new mons thats gna happen

[jade dust]

They are ugly as fuck

[rustic mountain]

i like the genies haha

[jade dust]

But Volcarona, Chandelure, Victini and many are amazing

[rustic mountain]

hydreigon, excadrill

[jade dust]

Yeah those too

The 3 dragons too

[patent marsh]

Haxorus batchest

[jade dust]

I like Meloetta and Genesect a lot too

[rustic mountain]

soj are gen 5 right?

[slender isle]

Hey now, one man's trash is another man's trashure 🤌🏼

[jade dust]

True Ig

The swords of justice are nice too

I would like if Keldeo was legal

[fast mason]

soj are the worst legendaries imo

they stink

[patent marsh]

Ye

[rustic mountain]

soj are fine

i like em better then the box legends of that gen

[craggy dagger]

meow-?

soj are cool wym

[jade dust]

Soj?

[craggy dagger]

swords of justice-

[jade dust]

Ah

Coballion looks good

[craggy dagger]

keldeo verizion terrakion coballion

[jade dust]

Keldeo too

[patent marsh]

If only they got hidden abilities that maybe made em gud

😭

[craggy dagger]

personal fav out of soj is verizion or terrakion

[fast mason]

dumb horse things

[rustic mountain]

terrakion was a vgc staple for a handful of years

[craggy dagger]

resolute keldeo is also cool though

[fast mason]

are they all horses

[patent marsh]

I mean it's the only usable one of the 3

[rustic mountain]

they had a bit use case in swsh w/ dmax beat up justified stuff

[patent marsh]

Other 2 is too mediocre really need something

[jade dust]

It just needs a different ability

Lmao

It has justified but it’s a special attacker

[rustic mountain]

better then nothing i guess

[jade dust]

They have 90 atk besides terakion lol

They are called swords

Look at Aegislash

That is a sword offense

[rustic mountain]

ok?

[craggy dagger]

okay but what does that have to do with

[rustic mountain]

aegislash wen u poke it in sword form:

[jade dust]

That swords of justice are called swords but have trash attack

[craggy dagger]

well

[rustic mountain]

sometimes its about whats in your heart

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/thatguyinabeani/status/1815070458665898217?t=b4kB9xiBX-bD5lhAXuSvxg&s=19
Ok i'm confused

Gabe 🔜 NYC GO FEST (@thatguyinabeani) on X

I just realized Surging Strikes base power goes up from 25 to 69 when Rapid Strike Urshifu Terastalizes into Water

Twitter · Jul 21, 2024, 5:04 PM

How does tera works

It's a 1.5 boost right?

[pallid hare]

Its 1.5x if the type isnt one of your base types, its 2x if it was one of your base types.

their math's a little wrong

[rustic mountain]

yea was jus double checking but im like that seems very off haha

[pallid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/nouns-nounish-nounsdao-abacus-counting-gif-16562575250327679873

[foggy lodge]

Ahh

So it becomes x2 when is the same type

[rustic mountain]

yea

[pallid hare]

if you also account for crit since it auto crits, its technically a base 75 power move under water tera

[rustic mountain]

[pallid hare]

though that's a gross overapproximation of the math

[foggy lodge]

The thing that confuses me the most is this

[rustic mountain]

whats confusing

[foggy lodge]

the tera calc goes after the bp is raised to 60?

[pallid hare]

Multi hit attacks arent affected by this boost

surging strikes is a multi hit attack

[foggy lodge]

Like draining kiss for example

[rustic mountain]

this is a passive effect of tera, its not the main interaction its a byproduct

so yes

[foggy lodge]

Ahh

okok, thanks

[rustic mountain]

np

kinda of weird to have that added in but they must have had their reasons

like why passively raise the bp of a move under tera? and then provide those restrictions. i get why for technician otherwise ur adding a decent number of multipliers but yea

multi hit moves ig too would become really strong

urshi being even better lmfao

[pallid hare]

probably because of the fact that its available from pretty much the start and a means to make weaker moves hit harder early on

albeit at the cost of having to use the tera charge

[rustic mountain]

yea tru prolly more story based then anything

nd then the restrictions to reel it in for comp, that makes sense

[solid frigate]

did i miss anything

[shadow wind]

Where on cart ladder is it impressive at the end of the season?

[balmy glen]

top 10

for the average player id say top 500

[mighty stump]

Top 30 is nice to get into the LibertyNote stuff

[green totem]

Hi, is there a way to just battle someone quickly once you get to master rank?

[mighty stump]

just queue

[shadow wind]

What’s libertynote?

[balmy glen]

Where battle spot players share their team and insights

[shadow wind]

Ah ok thanks.

[zinc totem]

uhh....... sun really ruins rapid-strike shifu hard like i know sun makes water-type attacks do 50% less damage but still

before and after

[solid frigate]

i mean you are still faster

[zinc totem]

thing is: that is opponent's shifu and that is moment aqua jet happened not when I t-bolted on raging bolt

its kinda annoyuing the smogon replay POV goes on opponent side and need manually swap to have it your POV

[solid frigate]

welp

[zinc totem]

chat is above the picture

aqua jet critted and did 7% damage only in sun leaving my R-bolt 1% hp and tbolt finishes

i did maths and that is so funny its still 2 OHKO without critical

252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid Strike Aqua Jet vs. 188 HP / 132 Def Raging Bolt in Sun: 8-10 (3.5 - 4.4%) -- 88.7% chance to 2HKO but beacuse it critted, i assume it hit me 15 damage so 8% of my tbolt hp is about 18

[dull ibex]

hello everyone

[modern harbor]

I HATE DAS

PHASE 16 FOR NECROZMA LOL

[mighty stump]

Hello

[timber falcon]

What can I use to threaten caly ice to tera

[dull ibex]

vc?

[timber falcon]

And then have water shifu to cover up the fire Tera

What’re opinions on frosmoth

[mighty stump]

No, im sick lol

[dull ibex]

cringe get a better immune system bozo /j

[mighty stump]

Chi Yu, Rockpon/Firepon

[mighty stump]

I have a 39.6 fever

[dull ibex]

YIKES

[timber falcon]

Rockpon Hm

Sounds like it could work

[mighty stump]

Also im now traumatised from eating one of my favourite foods cause it came back up undigested

so that was fun

[dull ibex]

that sucks

I think ive gotten above 100f once in my life lmao

[timber falcon]

This means throwing up eight

[mighty stump]

basically

[timber falcon]

Unluck

[dull ibex]

I get nasty stoumach bugs sometimes

[mighty stump]

i dont remember being this sick other than the two times I got dengue fever

if this is the flu then what the fuck

not even COVID was this bad and I got it twice

[dull ibex]

real

[mighty stump]

I asked to be subbed in two of my team leagues and forfeited the week in my third cause I just feel so shit

most annoying part is idk how i got sick

[pine sleet]

Is here the right place to ask if anyone has a bulky Mimiky build? I am not a comp player I just like to mess around in online battles and I want a stally bulky mon so I have an answer to that and Ghost/Fairy seems like a nice typing for that (+ the defenses seem alright)... I just don't really know hiw to go about building a set

[mighty stump]

Mimikyu isn’t really played as a stallmon. It’s not anywhere near bulky enough

Best thing you can do is to run Swords Dance + Clear Amulet or Life Orb with Shadow Claw/Shadow Sneak/Play Rough

[solid frigate]

and protect but i think they get the memo

[vale temple]

what fire type is good for competetive

im thinking chi yu

or maybe iron moth to get rid of fairies

or ceruledge and chandelure

someone help pls

[solid frigate]

Chi Yu,Fire Ogerpon,

I N C I N E R O A R

[vale temple]

hmm

incineroar ha?

[pine sleet]

gotcha, any alternative suggestions? I just don't want people to smell the stall when they see the mon, so... well I guess an unexpected one. Everyone sees a Chansey and knows what's up

[mighty stump]

Surprise factor isn’t worth forcing a role onto a mon it’s not meant to have

As for stall alternatives

You can probably just peruse whatever is on Smogon’s dex for Gen 9

[pine sleet]

I see, well thanks regardless! Guess I'll add Mimikyu to my list of 5 Wallbreaker mons xD

[gentle crag]

kanotha has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[bold geode]

Hey Tofu
You still sick or

[devout nebula]

oh god i hate incineroar

[solid frigate]

are you a singles Player-

cuz that reaction looks like a Singles Player Reaction

[vale temple]

i dont know

im preparing a competitive team

sure singles

why not

[solid frigate]

i;m sorry we can't help,we play doubles here

[vale temple]

is incinerator still viable for singles tho

[next stump]

it

oops

it's pretty bad in singles from what I've heard

[solid frigate]

its bad

[vale temple]

aaaaa

[solid frigate]

like Very Bad
And its mostly Offneisve Incin

[vale temple]

rahh i just got it cus u said it was good

is it good in doubles

[solid frigate]

its good in doubles

Like the King of VGC

[vale temple]

ok

ig im a doubles player now

is iron bundle good

[next stump]

it's okay on Miraidon teams but not nearly as good as it used to be

[vale temple]

what about rillaboom

with grassy surge

[next stump]

great pokemon, probably top 3 in the game

[vale temple]

yess

yall if im new to competive and i js wanna have fun then should i play doubles or singles

[solid frigate]

Dillon isn't Bundle and Wrong Miraidon Sets is what Made Miraidon go to fraud Watch-

[mighty stump]

The synergy trap is what made it go on fraud watch

Bundle itself isn’t terrible

Just

Why waste the slot

[vale temple]

is doubles hard

[next stump]

we're all bias towards doubles here, I think singles is easier to just jump into with zero thought or strategy

[vale temple]

so doubles is more fun

[mighty stump]

Thats personal preference

Doubles is also the main competitive format

[vale temple]

i tried both but i got annihalated in both

so idk which one ti improve on

[mighty stump]

the learning curve for competitive pokemon is steep since its mostly knowledge checks.

[vale temple]

english

[next stump]

that is english what lmao

[vale temple]

so basically its more about knowing things

but not having things

[next stump]

he's saying that in order to not get rolled in your games, you need to have a deep knowledge base

[mighty stump]

Sure.

[vale temple]

i know all type matchups

[next stump]

it's very easy to lose games simply off not knowing what a pokemon does

[mighty stump]

The knowledge required goes beyond the stuff you learn in casual Pokemon. Think of it like a different game.

[next stump]

do you play any other competitive games, it's probably easier to compare the two to help you understand

[vale temple]

uh

i used to play competitive in pokemon brick bronze

[solid frigate]

how does that work-

[vale temple]

battle colleseaum

you fight people

get higher rank

[solid frigate]

sorry i don't play Brick Bronze thats why i am clueless

[vale temple]

thats why i want to get good in competitive

in an actual pokemon game

i mean i already have a litten in my box

and a grassy surge grookey

so i might as well play doubkes

[solid frigate]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

Its on the Pins

[vale temple]

woah

[solid frigate]

here is all the stuff that basically tell about How does VGC Work

and Newcomer Rule No.1

Do not build your Teams unless you know how the current Meta Behaves

use Rental teams to grasp on the Metagame

Recommend using the more Meta Teams than Niche Teams

[vale temple]

huh

how can a meta behave

i just thought i could get my favourite pokemon

battle people

and have fun

[mighty stump]

Just be aware of what the current meta trends are, common teams to look out for, and what those Pokemon run.

One of the most difficult things to get over for a lot of people that want to start competitive is to accept that you cannot just run your favourites

[solid frigate]

unless well skilled

[vale temple]

aww

[timber falcon]

i think ive either forgotten how to play or teambuild

im still stuck on this ray team planning

[mighty stump]

Essentially, niche/favourite pokemon have to have a unique capability to justify running. This is also dictated by what the current metagame is

[solid frigate]

and Give on Valueable Reasoning why this Niche make sense on that team

[pure cloak]

hi can i ask what's the best IV spread for haxorus? is it just 6IV? i see some pokemon that people say are better off with 0IV in a stat

[solid frigate]

31 IVs on all 6 stats

[timber falcon]

Haxorus wants 6iv

[mighty stump]

6IV. 0IV in certain stats are relative

[pure cloak]

thanks a lot!

[chrome knot]

hi tofu

[timber falcon]

only 0IV stat for things like tr when you want speed to be low

[mighty stump]

For example, 0 IV Spe is meant for slower Pokemon in Trick Room teams

[vale temple]

so your telling me

[solid frigate]

or Special Attackers

[mighty stump]

I’m having the worst time of my life

[vale temple]

i have to make a team from scratch

[chrome knot]

i saw

[timber falcon]

yeah

[vale temple]

do all this reaserch

[solid frigate]

not recommend due to newcomer

[pure cloak]

what about 0 in attack (e.g. comfey)?

[mighty stump]

Or use rentals.

[timber falcon]

you can take inspiration from succesful meta teams

[vale temple]

just to wake up and realise that the stupid meta behavaved badly and all my pokémon go to waste

[mighty stump]

It’s only relevant to reduce Confusion (status) damage or Foul Play damage. For something like Comfey it’s not necessary

[solid frigate]

#rental_teams or Victory Road are all good stuff

[pure cloak]

thank you!!

[solid frigate]

this is not anime logic so not all pokemons are good

[vale temple]

so it could be good one day but not good the other day

[mighty stump]

Pretty much.

Not that significant.

[vale temple]

beuh

how

[mighty stump]

Usually over weeks/format changes

Meta-shifts aren’t happening day to day

[vale temple]

i have to ev train like 6 new mons

[solid frigate]

deal with it i would say,cuzNot all pokemon are created Equally

[mighty stump]

I mean, as previously mentioned, you can use rentals.

[vale temple]

wdym rentals

[timber falcon]

when teambuilding do i look for 1. How to make the gameplan work OR 2. What stops the game plan from working

[mighty stump]

You rent a team.

[vale temple]

that just supposed to give you ideas

[timber falcon]

cause i know ray wants to set up and sweep, but idk how i should go about it

[mighty stump]

You can use rentals and play them for inspiration, not just look at them.

[vale temple]

ok

[timber falcon]

should i be lookung at mons and typings espeed cant take out? or just meta teams

[chrome knot]

tofuuu wanna see some fun stuff

[mighty stump]

Both lol

[mighty stump]

Sure

[timber falcon]

oh

[pure cloak]

what moveset would be best for haxorus too?

[mighty stump]

If you’re gonna do set-up Rayquaza:

• You need some way to set-up through current board interactions. Fake Out in particular is one way you’re gonna have to think about.
• What coverage do you need? DAscent and ESpeed doesn’t hit Steel/Rock-type particularly well
• Beyond the set-up point, how do you make sure you can actually benefit off the boosts that Ray just got?

[solid frigate]

Doubles or Singles

[pure cloak]

singles

[solid frigate]

Dragon Claw,Iron Head,Swords Dance and idk what the last move it

[timber falcon]

for the second point, im looking ar watershifu mainly, will that do the job

[mighty stump]

You can probably run Loaded Dice/Scale Shot/Iron Head/EQ

with SD

[solid frigate]

oh yeah i used that move before

[mighty stump]

Watershifu and Rayquaza does go together.

[vale temple]

welp ima try out doubles

[solid frigate]

totally fun

[vale temple]

im using torrents rental btw

[pure cloak]

oh wait
is this channel for scarlet/violet?

[vale temple]

yes

i think

[pure cloak]

oh rip

[solid frigate]

Why is my Miraidon rental the most Popular one on all my rentals lmao

[vale temple]

because

i play violet

amd koraidon is a discrace to bumanity

[solid frigate]

That an Hot take-

[mighty stump]

Just make sure to read the notes laid out by the creator.

[solid frigate]

Koraidon has Better Design-

[vale temple]

no

[timber falcon]

facts

[vale temple]

oops

[solid frigate]

I have to afk for a while on my Splatoon Match to saw that

[vale temple]

THEY SENT OUT ZACIAN AND ZAMAZENTA

[pure cloak]

because
loaded dice isn't in swsh

[timber falcon]

are you playing link battle

[vale temple]

no

casual battle statdum

[chrome knot]

we play ranked

[timber falcon]

try ranked, i beleive is follows the format rules

[chrome knot]

that has a ruleset where casual is anything goes lmao

[solid frigate]

also if they send out 2 Restricteds and if the team has full restricteds in a Casual match,Most likely they have the wrong Movests

[vale temple]

THANK YOU TORRENT FOR THAT FOUCUS SASH

[solid frigate]

Whims always run that-

[vale temple]

oh

[chrome knot]

cloak !

[solid frigate]

oh yeah tht

[chrome knot]

is another option

[solid frigate]

Wait i run that before lol

[timber falcon]

for setting up

redirection > fake out righ

or is there a reason i should be looking for fakeout

[solid frigate]

mmmmmmm

[mighty stump]

Fake Out is higher priority.

[timber falcon]

priority as in add to team

or priority as game mechanics

[mighty stump]

I understood your question as: “Does redirection beat Fake Out?”

[solid frigate]

nope it doesn't

Just remember that FO is +3 and all redirections are +2

[timber falcon]

oh i meant it as which is more valuable next to a mon who wants to set up

i guess i can do both actually

[mighty stump]

Lol

[timber falcon]

maybe add voltswitch to electabuzz

[mighty stump]

Why do you need Electabuzz

[timber falcon]

i like the bulk

[mighty stump]

What else

[timber falcon]

static is nice

[solid frigate]

It depends on the Board State Really,

If you fear of Spread Moves (For Good Reason) Fake out mostly

If you there are no Spread Moves then usually go for Redirection

[mighty stump]

Vital Spirit though lol

[solid frigate]

unless you are amoonguss and there are grass types

[timber falcon]

i just gave it taunt instead cause i could use it for many things

[mighty stump]

Amoonguss in TR

[solid frigate]

Amogus in TR goes hard

[timber falcon]

then im finished

if they pop tr

i lose

i gotta fix that

[devout nebula]

see i only got 1 slow pokemon in my team

[solid frigate]

just fake out the TR setter

(Unless its Fari or Indeedee next to Caly Ice then i am fucked)

[devout nebula]

so i might be cooked

[mighty stump]

Get a Wide Guard user. That fixes your CIR matchup.

[timber falcon]

its mainly cir + ursaluna combo for me

[timber falcon]

oh yeah this

i was wondering about forstmoth

[mighty stump]

Hell no

[timber falcon]

i mean, it has a decent ability and got tailwind too

[solid frigate]

DOn;t you dare

[timber falcon]

taking both reactions into consideration, ill just not

[mighty stump]

You’re severely overestimating the value of “uniqueness”

[chrome knot]

say yessss then they find hearthflame cir….

[mighty stump]

lmao

[timber falcon]

that reminds me

rockpon

i gotta add that

[mighty stump]

So from hearing Ray/Watershifu/Rockpon/Electabuzz: How do you deal with Gholdengo

[timber falcon]

i need dark type?

for csr too

cant go wrong with incin

[mighty stump]

[solid frigate]

there is a reason why Pao can be good in your team but you said its not for the core so i did not mention it again till now

but eh Incin is good

[timber falcon]

i forgot why i didnt add pao

smth about Monke not reccomending HO

[solid frigate]

you said Ray Buzz Shifu Core

[mighty stump]

I just said I don’t think Pao is an auto-necessary add because people just think like PaoNite

and +2 DAscent is enough

[solid frigate]

tbf they all spam Espeed=\

[mighty stump]

Anyways if you do add Pao, don’t run Sacred Sword

2 dark STAB

[devout nebula]

https://pokepast.es/fabd0e0aa924a1c4

really like this team

[mighty stump]

Kyogre/Tornadus is wasting EVs

[chrome knot]

uhhh

indeedee cannot use fake out

[devout nebula]

can it not

[mighty stump]

Why do you have Iron Head Gholdengo

[chrome knot]

no

[devout nebula]

worked well for me

[mighty stump]

Why do you have both Spore and Stun Spore

[chrome knot]

its a special attacker…

[mighty stump]

Anecdotes don’t really mean much.

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1000: Gholdengo

Types

Steel/Ghost

Abilities

Good as Gold

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

87/60/95/133/91/84

Total

550

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Move: Iron Head

Has a 30% chance to make the target flinch.

Type

Steel

Category

Physical

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[chrome knot]

60atk Iron head OR 133SpAtk make it rain…

[devout nebula]

oh

[solid frigate]

i need bleach

[mighty stump]

Why am I always hit with the “well it works for me”

[devout nebula]

??

[foggy lodge]

anyways how many good steel types are rn?

[solid frigate]

all newcomers said that at least once

[foggy lodge]

That are not restricted

[solid frigate]

Dengo

And thats it- maybe you can count Bronzong or Archaludon

[devout nebula]

Unl ive said that twice

[timber falcon]

what am i missing

[chrome knot]

doohickey team

[mighty stump]

Gholdengo, Iron Crown is ok, Archaludon

[foggy lodge]

Are there any good steel type physical?

[mighty stump]

Hoodra is somewhat ok

Uhm

[solid frigate]

oh yeah the one i love to use but also fucking OHKO Caly ice

[foggy lodge]

ah Hoodra can work ig

[mighty stump]

Kingambit is still ok

[craggy dagger]

i heard-
iron head gholdengo-
What is going on here

[solid frigate]

new player Syndrome

[devout nebula]

i changed it dw

[chrome knot]

pleasseeeeeeeeeee

[craggy dagger]

girl i just woke up-

[chrome knot]

imgoing to work soon

[timber falcon]

do i need something to kill zama rn, or is the team peachy

[craggy dagger]

and i’m debating on going back to sleep cause im dead tired right now

[chrome knot]

after worky thoooooo

pleas :(

[craggy dagger]

ehhh-
zama should be dealable with incin

[long narwhal]

Tell me pokemon that hit hard and learn u turn (no ubers)

[solid frigate]

Rillaboom

[craggy dagger]

if i’m awake yes

[chrome knot]

will you be awake at 4est (1pm)

more like 5 tbh

[solid frigate]

Rilla,Incin

[next stump]

Urshifu as well as the two above

Scizor kinda

[solid frigate]

Landorus?

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/hamstermaniavgc/status/1816112892397138331?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

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Twitter · Jul 24, 2024, 2:07 PM

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you gotta land sleep powder first

[mighty stump]

Me with my Venusaur previously:

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me wanting to break everything in sight after missing sleep powder for the 90th game winning situation in a row

[mighty stump]

Man I hate being sick

[chrome knot]

being sick sounds like ass

[mighty stump]

Food doesn’t taste normal when you’re sick

Hacking up half a lung ever few minutes isn’t great either

[chrome knot]

take care of yourselfffff

[craggy dagger]

i hope so

i've got climbing to do today but hopefully-
i dont crash in bed that early

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WHA

imgonna climb to your house and beat you up :(

[solid frigate]

Send that to Draago

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i dont live on a mountain

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i live in ontario

[craggy dagger]

idt vancouver is on a mountain emma-

[chrome knot]

there is quite the altitude difference between us have you seen southern ontario on ur map

no that doesnt make sense

we arent a ramp but yk what i mean LOL

[craggy dagger]

isn’t ontario on a plateau-

[chrome knot]

no i

hold on…..

[fast mason]

does wide guard work like protect where the chance of it failing increases with each consecutive use?

[chrome knot]

wide guard works in succession like 1 after the other

wide guard into protect is how it can fail

[fast mason]

so u can just use it repeatedly and it will always work

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mhm

[fast mason]

damn i wish i knew that

thanks

[pure cloak]

what EV spread would be good for haxorus?
6 hp / 252 atk / 252 speed?

[bold geode]

But for some reason Sprite though

[bold geode]

@molten oasis

[mighty stump]

I’m not gonna drink Sprite while I’m sick like this.

[chrome knot]

no its ginger ale u idiot

[solid frigate]

already sent to him

[mighty stump]

As much as I like ginger ale, I’m only drinking water lol

[chrome knot]

well yeah i dont blame you lmao

[bold geode]

Yeah but like
Whenever you sick, that shit taste good

[timber falcon]

rockpon + max max?

or do i add some stats cause of shifu

[bold geode]

Just max max that thang

[mighty stump]

Having the entirety of your stomach contents come back up doesn’t taste good

[bold geode]

Ah
Well here's my response to that

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and for rockpon

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You don’t even understand what the meme is about.

[timber falcon]

i wouldnt wanna run wood hammer right

[bold geode]

You're right I don't Tofu

[mighty stump]

You run Power Whip.

[timber falcon]

okie dokie

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Why the fuck is this mfer all I see on my Twitter

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See I’d tell you but you just joked about me being sick and annoyed me so I’m not going to answer

[bold geode]

Wow ok

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entering the wrong house in undella town(!!)

[bold geode]

That's Cynthia?

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how are you posting that and not knowing the meme

[bold geode]

I DON'T KNOW WHY

I HAVE SEEN THIS MFER MORE IN A WEEK THAN I HAVE IN MY LIFE

[mighty stump]

Monke never really obeys the outlined reasons as to why something is funny

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bc its people making fun of pokemon gimmick accounts that all post the same shit

[bold geode]

Even if I did, it wouldn't be funny

[solid frigate]

pfft

[timber falcon]

what if i miss

[bold geode]

So we just picked this random mfer

[mighty stump]

It makes fun of the engagement farming posts

[mighty stump]

Too bad.

[bold geode]

Ah so wtf is his name hmmm

[timber falcon]

wasnt it Hala#

IM SO SMART

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Hala yeah

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I HAVENT EVEN WATCHED THE SERIES IN YEARS

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So Hala is now our random clickbait fucker

[timber falcon]

any ideas for lasto picko

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Brother
The Electabuzz ain't the sauce

[timber falcon]

i did replace with clef and test

[balmy glen]

just slot chien

[timber falcon]

i still preffered electabuzz

[balmy glen]

you shouldnt even be using ray without chien pao tbh

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ngl it sounded better on paper but the whole thing looks off starting from Rockpon onwards

[timber falcon]

rockpon was the 5th pick

idk why its 3rd there

[mighty stump]

Okay thanks for the information it’s third on the image

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Eeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhh

[timber falcon]

electabuzz is mainly follow me fodder, but can also contributw

[bold geode]

Ngl it feels so fucking ass

[timber falcon]

oh yeah wide guard

[bold geode]

Also Tofu great
I talked about the fucking kahuna right
I go back on Twitter and FIRST 5 POSTS ARE HALA
ELON'S WATCHING ME

[balmy glen]

wdym eh its literally true

rayquaza sucks without chien

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yeah wo chien :D

[balmy glen]

i mean

sure tbh a chien is better than none

[solid frigate]

wait

Isn't Wo-Chien a Bit of an Hiderance On Rayquaza Teams unless cooking

[balmy glen]

nah just win ato

[timber falcon]

i dont liek pao on the team

wide guard betta

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LMAO

[timber falcon]

why i keep losing to fluttermane

i hate fairy type

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what is this-

[pallid hare]

Hala-ception

[molten oasis]

[long narwhal]

Whats the best garchcomp evs?

[balmy glen]

Singles?

[long narwhal]

Yes

[molten oasis]

What’s with the Hala memes all over Twitter rn?

[solid frigate]

isn't like Both Singles and Doubles Garchomp runs Max Max Min

[rustic mountain]

people basically clowning on the regional accounts reposting the same stuff for engagement farming

[molten oasis]

Ah

[zinc totem]

https://pokepast.es/677e5485a07469f0 i wonder if i should swap flutter to scarf darkshifu or miracle seed rillaboom? (i know miracle seed rilla would be probably bad move but AV is on r-bolt)

[solid frigate]

Flutter is probably Better in this Department

i don't see any issues with your team

[craggy dagger]

flutter fish is best-
though i don’t see why you’d run both thunder wave and icy wind-

having ghost stab with shadow ball is also good-
so i’d just pick one of the speed control options rather than have both

[solid frigate]

maybe its just a Secondary Speed Control Option For Flutter But usually icy wind is better

although Koraidon and Cloak CSR exists

[zinc totem]

rilla was thinking more for miraidon matchups

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just pick one or the other-
you don’t really need to speed control options on a flutter mane

[solid frigate]

You have Bolt and Tera Ground Fari

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you have booster speed flutter with fairy feather i think you’re fine

i’d invest a little more into special attack though-

[solid frigate]

yeah its weird that 4 SpA flutter

I'll post my Flutter Set then

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defensive fakeout too on rilla

[solid frigate]

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 148 HP / 164 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 36 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball
• Icy Wind
• Protect

This is a Primary Example on a Speed Booster Flutter Mane,With This Spread Shown That Flutter Mane needs some Physical Bulk,Which in this Specific Case,Survives a Focus Sash Single Strike Urshifu by a Roll of 68.7% Chance of Surviving.
252+ Atk Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 148 HP / 164 Def Flutter Mane on a critical hit: 133-157 (89.2 - 105.3%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

With Timid Nature,Flutter Mane would always be Speed Boosting when Consumed the Booster Energy Item,Making it faster than Most Threats like Calyrex Shadow,Zacian and Miraidon,Making it easier to use Icy Wind to nerf Opponent’s Speed Stats,and since this is Based on Miraidon Team,thats why its Tera Ground to be immune to discharge. Alternatively, Fairy and Grass are great Tera Types for Flutter Mane,With Fairy you can be more defensive against Single Strike Urshifu and Tera Grass for the Spore and Rage Powder Immunity.