competitive_discussion

[modern harbor]

PROTECT FAILS AFTER WIDE GUARD?

ok what can i possibly do against caly ghost and clefairy
team: tornadus, flutter, zama, chien pao, urshifu rapid, farigiraf

[rustic mountain]

yep

well not auto but its the same as going for a double protect

[modern harbor]

damn

[rustic mountain]

so its unlikely to succeed following a protect

becomes 30% chance if used consecutively iirc

[modern harbor]

im so stupid

i just protected in front of an urshifu

[foggy lodge]

Lol

You are going to memorize the interactions later anyways

[modern harbor]

oh god what does cinccino do

i dont understand why talonflame outsped speed flutter and scarf shifu wtf

[molten oasis]

Nothing it sucks

[rustic mountain]

ability, gale wings

[molten oasis]

Gale wings allows all flying moves +1 priority at full hp

[modern harbor]

damnn

[molten oasis]

Used to be all the time

[rustic mountain]

this is how u learn

[modern harbor]

should have tera water i guess

or maybe aqua jet and double into it

wtf tera BUG groudon???? 😭😭😭😭 im so lost

[foggy lodge]

BO1?

[nocturne holly]

Prob

[dapper crag]

- [Bug]

Resists (0.5x)

Fighting, Grass, Ground

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fire, Flying, Rock

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

Idk why if it’s just for the grass resist

[solid frigate]

yeah idk

[modern harbor]

yea i just killed it w/ bleakwind the same turn idk

[solid frigate]

b01 is weird

[modern harbor]

what is b01

[foggy lodge]

Best of one

[chrome knot]

black ops 1

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2162216485
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2162218392

first game is a bit close but second game is just utter dominating

[night ermine]

So I am new to competitive pokemon but have been working to put together pieces for a coherent team and I got to wondering since everything is level scaled to 50 anyways assuming no new moves are needed is there any reason to train past 50?

[foggy lodge]

Only moves that can't learn prior level 50, outside of that, nothing

[chrome knot]

looks nicer

easier to write team sheets for irl events

[solid frigate]

not that much reason honestly,but some pokemon learn those moves in level 60-70 so yeah

Also some pokemon are above level 50 when catched so yeah

[chrome knot]

lvl 88 for moonblast on flutter kicks ur ass

[foggy lodge]

Yeah lmaoo

Why level 88

[night ermine]

Oh this is a good point I hadn't considered! Though I am looking to just ladder climb in game for now so thats less of a concern, still something to consider though!

[solid frigate]

Idk why aahhh

[molten oasis]

I hate their zacian name

[solid frigate]

same lol but i just Volt Switching them

[chrome knot]

ofc yeah just how i see it :P i dont like having inconsistent numbers from showdown pastes to in game bc if i have to last second team check it gets annoying

[foggy lodge]

no way i played against that guy too

He wasn't using Zac that time tho

It was Corviknight

I don't remember the restricted

[mighty stump]

Everything has to either be lvl 100 or lvl 50

[solid frigate]

wait what lmao

[bold geode]

Morning Tofu

[chrome knot]

no?

[jade dust]

Yeah I understand that bad mons only work in a specific niche or to fill a specific role. When I pick one of my favorites I keep in mind what it’s gonna do for the rest of my team. I consider the other better options but if I believe I can make it work I do it

Even some here were saying Cresselia is a very bad pick, let’s not forget cress is one of the few mons with 3 world championships

[solid frigate]

yeah,but not in gen 9.

[molten oasis]

Metagross is a mid pick it’s won 3 worlds

Snorlax is bad it’s won 3 worlds

[solid frigate]

2023 was won by Chien-Pao+Landorus T
2024 there is no hope for Cress cuz power level is too steep

[solid frigate]

Tofu is gonna haunt you lol

[molten oasis]

I think Fari took it out

Cress used to be the main tr setter and now it’s Fari

[foggy lodge]

I think there are mons that are explorable

[solid frigate]

The ability is just the key deciding Factor

[foggy lodge]

You could test them but not expect great results

[molten oasis]

It’s just the reality of it rn, I think snorlax is cool I just don’t think it’s a great competitive pick

Tofu can haunt me id understand

[jade dust]

While immunity to fake out is nice, it can’t survive the hits cresselia can

[foggy lodge]

Nobody used Goltres before Keanu did at Indianapolis

[solid frigate]

yea yea ik

[solid frigate]

it actually does tank shit

Electric Seed Farigiraf hello

[jade dust]

Can’t tank another miraidon

Or urshifu in rain

[solid frigate]

it really does not matter when

It pairs with Miraidon

[jade dust]

Why are you gonna trick room if you have miraidon? A very fast mon

In that case I would use it for imprison

[solid frigate]

i think the first replay speaks for itself

[molten oasis]

Actually it kinda can cough

What’s the good of living something if you don’t get value the turn after

I don’t see cress doing much to a miraidon

And it’s more than fake out immunity

[foggy lodge]

In which team are you using Cress?

[solid frigate]

Caly ice hard tr

[molten oasis]

It’s priority in general, espeed sucker punch grassy glide

[foggy lodge]

Because tbh i don't see Cress outside of Ursaluna things

[jade dust]

Healing hand high horsepower would like to have a word

[molten oasis]

You can do that with a farigiraf

Farigiraf would like to have a word

[foggy lodge]

If it's Ursaluna you could test Cress

[molten oasis]

About why it’s better lol

[foggy lodge]

If it's not just play Farigiraf, Armor Tail valuable AF with hard TR

[jade dust]

Farigiraf is great and has a really good ability but cresselia is way tankier

[solid frigate]

no Ursaluna,it has Swampert

[jade dust]

And you can freely use mental herb

[solid frigate]

are we doing this again.

[foggy lodge]

wrong gif lol

[solid frigate]

bruh

[jade dust]

I am biased yes, I like lunar blessing a lot

It’s a very good healing move

That’s what cresselia has that farigiraf doesn’t

In trade of armor tail

[balmy glen]

Won’t lie cress is pretty mid without safety goggles/screens

[foggy lodge]

With those two things together or separately?

[balmy glen]

Together

[foggy lodge]

Makes sense

[solid frigate]

totally agree

[balmy glen]

Like Grimm with Cress

But like in a real tournament your more susceptible to crits so it’s not really worth it tbh

On ladder it’s ok ig

[solid frigate]

especially when in this meta game,power level is too high for cress able to do stuff

[balmy glen]

also the whole point of farig is that its good into csr while cress isnt

good into farig, anti priority, good support moves, can spiral with throat spray, etc etc

its just a way better cress tbh

[solid frigate]

Fari and Indeedee rn are the prime TR setters now

denys Priority, has greater utility

[halcyon pond]

Any ideas on how to counter the calyrex dondozo team going around

[solid frigate]

Shadow rider?

[halcyon pond]

Yes

[solid frigate]

usually when i against Dozogiri i just Spore chain it

but like does it have Tatsu

[molten oasis]

I went back to work for a reason lol

[halcyon pond]

Yeah it has tatsu

[foggy lodge]

I suppose it's psych up caly with dozo

[molten oasis]

Short summary fari>cress most situations

[halcyon pond]

Yeah psych up caly and miensho

[solid frigate]

usually i would chain Spore on Dozo to keep it immobile

[halcyon pond]

Dozo gives plus 2 omni boost to calyrex lol

[foggy lodge]

Really depends on the team you are playing

[solid frigate]

don't say most situation cuz we are giving ideas

lol

[foggy lodge]

Anyways i just reached 1300 on bo3 ladder

I know it's not a so big acomplishment but it means that i'm improving

[solid frigate]

eyyyyy not bad

I'm fucked

[nocturne holly]

fuck jumping

Forgot about that piece of shit and didnt break like an sleep powder counters just amoonguss

Mad annoying
Still won tho

It also had encore

[balmy glen]

im playing them now on my fresh alt lol

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2162259584
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2162261863

I guess this match kinda make it better for me

a better compensation

[balmy glen]

☆FunnyMonkeyTakesA: sigh
☆YoshikawaMizu: ?
☆FunnyMonkeyTakesA: crit
☆YoshikawaMizu: you won cuz of crit
YoshikawaMizu has 30 seconds left.
☆YoshikawaMizu: lmao
☆FunnyMonkeyTakesA: i think i win anyways family

???????

[solid frigate]

Pfft bro become an Anime character

[balmy glen]

btw game before he tera normal his ursaluna and got 2 crits

xd

[solid frigate]

in fact he almost lost against if the heatwave misses on Wo-Chien so yeah

he is more lucky than both of us Combined

[balmy glen]

low ladder moment cant even see their wincon

[solid frigate]

yeah he said GG when Lando go 2 revenge kill and it stand against Chi Yu with Wo Chien

if he misses then he would blame me lol

eh thats why i hate low ladder a lot

[balmy glen]

real

i gotta make new alts every other day tho for new teams so i enjoy looking at low ladder people have no clue its me and just be like "youll never be able to do this in a tour" or wtvr

[solid frigate]

lmao its even funnier when you are the same person who is in top 8 indy lol

I like to see Low Ladders being desperate

[chrome knot]

doin ur mom in a tourney as a response tbh

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[bold geode]

Emma I broke a part of my car console

[chrome knot]

good one

[solid frigate]

honestly i wanna see More Keanu Roasting Low ladders lol

[bold geode]

One tiny problem

|| I'm not supposed to be holding that part in my hand ||

[solid frigate]

bro somehow break it-

[balmy glen]

goat

[bold geode]

It broke off
It closes but like solution: don't use change part

[solid frigate]

kek

[bold geode]

Literally just fuck it, I fixed it enough

[solid frigate]

i feel like there should be a broadcast of Keanu just roasting Low ladders lol

[solid frigate]

Hey at least we got the job done lol

[cyan smelt]

Just glue it back on

[bold geode]

Honestly not a bad idea
Actually fuck it duct tape fixes everything

[solid frigate]

the classic duct tape method

[jade dust]

Fuck I’ll go for tera water caly

Fire is good but I can’t protect against urshifu if I need to

And I can heal burns so

[balmy glen]

my calyice team auto beats miraidon and its so funny

[jade dust]

What tera you use?

[balmy glen]

electric

[jade dust]

Lol

[balmy glen]

with clefairy tera water if they have over heat

and i have rillaboom on the team lol

[chrome knot]

rilla bolt yay

[jade dust]

I’m thinking water rather than fire as well cuz a lot of people is using calyice recently and being fire makes it weak to high horsepower

[balmy glen]

electric is also good for the t wave spammers

[jade dust]

So in the caly ice 1v1 the water one has an advantage

[solid frigate]

ah yes the ultimate combo to stop miraidon

[solid frigate]

i mean,unless they don't know the archetype,isn't Caly Ice Wants to be Para as its gonna be the slowest thing possible(I'm not counting Full Para)

but then again,

It auto wins Miraidon so it is a good stuff

[balmy glen]

its already the slowest thing mostly against the t wave spammers so they just t wave spam anyways and pray for reflect + a para to win them the game most of the time

[jade dust]

Tera water is great to resist all major treats except miraidon

But you can at least protect against miraidon but not urshifu

[solid frigate]

i mean there is Bloodmoon and Regular Ursaluna which are slower if Caly ice isn't -Speed nature

[jade dust]

Tho that made me think

Tera dragon

Rip to draco meteor tho

[balmy glen]

tera dragon is terrible

[solid frigate]

nope you get your ass died to draco and moonblast

[balmy glen]

u lose to caly ice mirror

[jade dust]

Yeah that too

I was joking

Water or fire but I’m more inclined to water

Fire loses to caly ditto

[solid frigate]

also run Tera Fire or Water Against Iron Crown btw

it can OHKO Caly Ice lmao

which is still the most hilarious moment

[jade dust]

What was iron crown?

The future terrakion?

[solid frigate]

Cobalion

[jade dust]

Ah

Is it good?

I’ve never seen it in ranked play

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Iron Crown Tachyon Cutter (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 202-244 (97.5 - 117.8%) -- approx. 75% chance to OHKO

well unless you are against me

[molten oasis]

It’s decent

[solid frigate]

but i might switch to lorb pretty soon

[solid frigate]

its suprisingly good with Miraidon Lando I Offensive Core

its basically what Metagross wanna be in Gen 9

[jade dust]

So pelipper really checks Zamasenta?

I know it resist both stabs but

It has low hp

And 95 SpcA

[balmy glen]

it doesnt exactly check it tbh

[jade dust]

Yeah that’s why I’m hesitant to commit resources to it

[molten oasis]

It doesn’t check it

[jade dust]

I’ve been using chandelure

[molten oasis]

I’m unsure of what checks it beyond CSR

[jade dust]

Lol wide guard tho

[molten oasis]

Idk if CSR even does check it

[jade dust]

No astral barrage

[jade dust]

Chandelure does destroy zama

[solid frigate]

it does not really check zama, but it checks caly Ice

not a definitive counter but still

[jade dust]

Just cuz wide guard

That’s why I don’t give up seed bomb

To hit pelipper for neutral

[solid frigate]

i mean this team wasn't really checking Zama (Even tho Incin exist but thats besides the point)

Its more like Checking Caly Ice and Zacian

but i am not sure about checking Zacian

[molten oasis]

Destroy is a bit much

[jade dust]

How does that check caly ice?

[molten oasis]

It’s a check

[jade dust]

I mean, 145 SpcA and immune to body press and heavy slam does nothing

[solid frigate]

2 words. Tachyon Cutter

[molten oasis]

As I said before destroy is a bit much

[jade dust]

As well as will o wisp

[molten oasis]

It’s a check

[jade dust]

Alright, I’ll agree to that cuz zama teams usually run chein pao

And that sucker punch does treat chandelure

[molten oasis]

And pelipper

[solid frigate]

i mean Iron Crown do be dead on sucker Punch,But i love Farigiraf in that situation

[jade dust]

They run peli???

[molten oasis]

Some do yes

[solid frigate]

yeah nerfing the fire moves

[jade dust]

What’s that

[molten oasis]

Yk why is called Tachyon Cutter?

[solid frigate]

Iron Crown's Signature move

[jade dust]

Ah

[molten oasis]

Cuz it Attack-y-on you twice

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/gary-spongebob-drums-joke-ba-gif-22902854

[molten oasis]

That was a moxie joke

[solid frigate]

as a Student who is studying Science myself,Tachyon is theorised as a Particle who is faster than Light

[solid frigate]

which honestly i learnt it till now

[jade dust]

I mean how does that check caly

[solid frigate]

ahem

[molten oasis]

It kills it?

[lofty tartan]

[molten oasis]

It forces it to Tera

[modern harbor]

what item does kyogre usually run

[jade dust]

Not with tera fire

[jade dust]

Alright then

[molten oasis]

If they use Tera they use a resource

That they could need later on

[solid frigate]

look at my Iron Crown's Tera

[jade dust]

Looks good tho why grass incineroar instead of ghost

[solid frigate]

look at #rental_teams

[molten oasis]

Fari allows incin to fo without needing ghost to stop FO and grass helps with the mirror/shifu

[jade dust]

Ah right

[solid frigate]

Kyogre Team here lol

[jade dust]

No Archaludon?

Or tornadus?

[balmy glen]

how u do that

[modern harbor]

what item does kyogre usually run

[solid frigate]

Pokemon Trainer card Maker kek

[jade dust]

I see leftovers a lot

[balmy glen]

does it cost money

[jade dust]

Or mystic water

[molten oasis]

No it’s free

[molten oasis]

That’s wild what

[modern harbor]

r they like protect spout pulse ice beam?

[solid frigate]

free and cool

[balmy glen]

gib link

[molten oasis]

AV/Mystic water/Specs would be more common no?

[solid frigate]

https://tcm.pokecharms.com/modern

[jade dust]

No I actually see leftovers a lot

[solid frigate]

AV and Specs is what i see mostly

[modern harbor]

like last game i saw tera water kyogre with helping hand fari and i didnt know whether to double into it or if it would just protect and trick room

[jade dust]

Yeah or you can use thunder too

[solid frigate]

i don't think thats TR Ogre

[modern harbor]

ogre?

oh kyogre

[modern harbor]

what's the tell?

[jade dust]

Those use heavy ball

As item

[solid frigate]

Tera Water

Are the partners favour in TR or TR

TW i mean

anyways finally,Terapagos

[molten oasis]

My question is why

Also here’s mine

[solid frigate]

we love these

[modern harbor]

what does kingdra do

[jade dust]

They spam protect to recover hp

[foggy lodge]

ohhh thanks for making me rememember that page

[molten oasis]

this is also a sneak peak

[solid frigate]

Swift Swim Life Orb D-Dance?

Thats the only legit set i use

[foggy lodge]

I'm going to do the same

[solid frigate]

[modern harbor]

also is heavy slam rly better than behemoth bash

[balmy glen]

yes.

[solid frigate]

Zama guuy is here

[balmy glen]

only time its not is when its tera fairy bolt

[modern harbor]

i just feel like most of the time resisted body press does more

but also im p sure im 0 atk

[solid frigate]

wait how heavy is bolt

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1021: Raging Bolt

Types

Electric/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/73/91/137/89/75

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

holy shi 480kg

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 889: Zamazenta-Crowned

Types

Fighting/Steel

Abilities

Dauntless Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/120/140/80/140/128

Total

700

Base Species

Zamazenta

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[modern harbor]

zacian common tera type?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 992: Iron Hands

Types

Fighting/Electric

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

154/140/108/50/68/50

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[foggy lodge]

Stellar/fairy/ground i think

[balmy glen]

yes but flutters and tera fairy csr and clef

[foggy lodge]

Maybe fire¿

[solid frigate]

not Stellar but Ground and fire are more common

[balmy glen]

which is what heavy slam needs to actually hit

[molten oasis]

Grass water and ghost, I think dragon is also popping up a little

[solid frigate]

huh

[molten oasis]

Oh fuck

Wrong Mon lol

[solid frigate]

PFFT

[molten oasis]

Zacian runs water dragon fairy or stellar

[modern harbor]

i think probably fairy

[molten oasis]

Wait, lemme rephrase

DEFENSIVELY Zac can run Water Dragon and Fire (for wisp)

[solid frigate]

at least yougof two right

[molten oasis]

OFFENSIVELY Zac can run Fairy Ground or stellar with Tera blast

[balmy glen]

or ground for perfect coverage 🙂

[molten oasis]

I was getting there

[solid frigate]

Miraidon:AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH-

[foggy lodge]

@molten oasis how true is this lol https://x.com/AzazeL_the_God/status/1813307106918879684?t=Bv2plsKazlSyDyMK7YYYuw&s=19

Justin Carris (@AzazeL_the_God) on X

In my entire VGC career, no move has let me down more than one in particular: Play Rough. I miss this move so much I began wondering - what if it's coded wrong?

Tonight at 7PM EST, on @galaxxian ‘s stream, we will expose GameFreak once and for all.

Twitter · Jul 16, 2024, 8:17 PM

Since you suffer from play rough

[molten oasis]

Don’t remind me

I still need to get around to trying Tera ground Zac but I also like swords dance a lot so I don’t run Tera blast

Cuz I think PR and Bblade are musts

[solid frigate]

me who misses Heat Wave and Sandsear Storm at least Twice a day

[balmy glen]

read u

[molten oasis]

Damn you’re right

[balmy glen]

i read the obvious tera gg

[molten oasis]

I lose

He clicked surging strikes and zacian died

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/plush-plushie-spin-spinny-spinning-gif-22905344

[molten oasis]

I want one of those plushies still

[solid frigate]

i want Terapagos+Chi Yu ;-;

[molten oasis]

But they’re all $150 online which SUCKS

[solid frigate]

[modern harbor]

IM WINNIN MORE

IM LESS STUPID NOW

[solid frigate]

he's learning

[modern harbor]

i was about to click taunt onto incin but stopped myself bc im not dumb

[solid frigate]

you're learning

[modern harbor]

close enough !

[solid frigate]

uhhh

wha

[modern harbor]

i actually love tornadus lol

i went up against a snow team and rain dance came in so clutch

plus 2HKO flutter w/ bleak is niceee

[balmy glen]

snow team 💀

[solid frigate]

moment when the snow team is not Snowogre or Kyurem

[modern harbor]

it was this i think

alolan ninetails w/ kyogre

wait no i dont remember

i jus realized that probably wouldnt make sense considering kyogre's ability

almost ultra ball tier!! hehhe

does anyone else select moves and then immediately after have a moment of clarity and regret

[bold geode]

Wait did I miss Keanu and Drago fight?

[molten oasis]

nah i think hes saying that for snow in general

[molten oasis]

we did not bo3 no

[bold geode]

Oh I was starting to say wtf

[molten oasis]

i am not interested in getting steamrolled by a zama player as i am playing kyurem rn lol

[balmy glen]

ive played every restricted so im not exactly a zama player

[solid frigate]

meanwhile me:Only Miraidon has a good chance on it

[molten oasis]

what's your favorite restricted to play?

[molten oasis]

draco it

[solid frigate]

Moment

[balmy glen]

the one that helps me win

[bold geode]

Whhhaaaaaaaaaa
WHY NOT

[molten oasis]

fair enough

[molten oasis]

cuz zama is arguably kyurems worst mu

that and koraidon

[solid frigate]

also beated a Zacian Team with Peli,Torn and Ninetales(Kantoian)

[bold geode]

I will always be a Zama player

[bold geode]

Hehehe funny

[solid frigate]

i'm just a Special Attacker Player

[foggy lodge]

I

[solid frigate]

Cuz my restricteds are all Special Attackers

[foggy lodge]

Idk i think Zama

It has been the one i've used the most

I love bulky Pokémon

[molten oasis]

yk

kyurem with assault vest and snow boost is VERY bulky

[solid frigate]

kek

[molten oasis]

[foggy lodge]

no thanks

I don't want to get cooked again by an Ogerpon HF

[molten oasis]

+6 252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 172 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Tera-Fire Kyurem-White through Aurora Veil: 162-191 (72.9 - 86%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

i just think this is funny

[solid frigate]

PFFT

[foggy lodge]

How much with spell tag?

[solid frigate]

Tanky Kyurem

[molten oasis]

probably a kill lemme see

[solid frigate]

I swear The restricteds are either Blue In Colour or Special Attacker

[molten oasis]

+6 252 SpA Spell Tag Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 172 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Kyurem-White through Aurora Veil: 194-229 (87.3 - 103.1%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

[solid frigate]

ITS A ROLL LMAO

[foggy lodge]

No way

[solid frigate]

IT NEEDS A CRIT LMAO

[foggy lodge]

4SpD 😭😭

[molten oasis]

heres something else funny

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider Glacial Lance vs. 172 HP / 4 Def Kyurem-White in Snow through Aurora Veil: 49-58 (22 - 26.1%) -- 5.6% chance to 4HKO

[solid frigate]

Calyrexx look like a squeaky toy now

[solid frigate]

lol

[foggy lodge]

lmaooo

also which rolls y'all calc?

[molten oasis]

wha?

[foggy lodge]

Wait let me rephrase

But at which point do you think a roll is fine

[molten oasis]

6.3% chance to kill

is the minimum

[foggy lodge]

For example if a 70% roll of kill is fine

[foggy lodge]

Yeah i thought so

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 60 HP / 0 Def Iron Crown: 156-184 (90.1 - 106.3%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

Hey ummm did some calcs randomly but this is funny

[chrome knot]

u forgot in sun

[modern harbor]

https://pokepast.es/53e73c0ff140b6e2

[solid frigate]

i'm just doing funny stuff i know it dies to it

[modern harbor]

oops i forgot fari spread

https://pokepast.es/d518ad25be358fa2

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice High Horsepower vs. 60 HP / 0 Def Iron Crown: 142-168 (82 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I'm suprised that it survived one High Horsepower

I guess the 60 HP worth the invest

[cyan smelt]

Iron crown good again?

[little plank]

Hard to get master ball on csrt if I can't find any opponents lol

[molten oasis]

no torrent just likes the future mid sword trio

[rustic mountain]

damn i havent played a single game on cart this month

[modern harbor]

i never find myself bringing fari and when i do i cant seem to make it work what should i do

[solid frigate]

Note:Only Iron Crown and Boulder

[little plank]

Crazy I can get to 1800 on showdown but having a rough time getting master ball on cart with the exact same team...

[solid frigate]

i think Moxie or one of the VGC YT said that SV Cart is mostly Japanese Players and Showdown is more western side

[little plank]

It's insane how difficult it's been lol

[solid frigate]

i'm struggling on Cart but relatively sucessful in showdown

[little plank]

I feel like I need to bring the weirdness of my teragagos team on cart

[solid frigate]

like with all 3 treams i used

I got great consistency in all 3 teams but really struggle on sv due to Japan's Metagame is different than western

[solid frigate]

the Dozogiri one?

[little plank]

Yeah

I'm using zama currently on cart

[balmy glen]

in bo1?

[solid frigate]

yeah i saw Rayquaza and Groudon in SV Cart as well so the metagame is slightly different in SV than Showdown

[little plank]

Yeah I only really play bo1 never going to have time to actually go to any events or play in a tournament

[balmy glen]

none of the players really play bo1

[solid frigate]

i did play some b03 but that shows how i need to prepare stuff

[balmy glen]

if your playing bo1 might as well play cart tbh

[solid frigate]

the problem is that sinclair is struggling on cart-

[balmy glen]

or chinese showdown

[little plank]

Thats what I am playing currently lol

[balmy glen]

well ye my friend who has played for a month got first on bo1 ladder so showdown bo1 is really bad

while cart is like actual semi real

[little plank]

I've gotten masterball every season just having a rough time this go around

[solid frigate]

belive me,i know how it feels

i did play B03 more now

[modern harbor]

my fari feels useless and i never bring it

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2162379419
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2162380782

@balmy glen does this Zama guy play weirdly? just asking cuz i am quite bad against it

[solid frigate]

I think Incin is just better on your MU against Mirror Zama,could be wrong

[modern harbor]

for will o wisp?

[solid frigate]

yeah

[balmy glen]

Ngl

You both could have played better

Also his leads made no sense tbh

Idek why he has Raichu against u

[solid frigate]

which does not make sense or is he expecting bolt-

But yeah make sense its just wide guard spooked me

i did not fall for it but still

[vapid zinc]

what's a good nature for the regi's?

like regirock to regidrago(?), regileki (?), and regigigas?

[balmy glen]

Pls don’t use regigigas lmao

[vapid zinc]

👉👈 still doesn't answer my question..

if I were to, in theory, use regigigas

[solid frigate]

Usually Timid or Modest for Eleki but Adamant if you run Explosion Eleki
Drago is usually Modest
Steel idk Impish?

Regirock and Regice idk

[dapper crag]

Mimikyu's moveset:

Physical Moves

Astonish, Beat Up, Covet, Drain Punch, Facade, Feint Attack, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Last Resort, Leech Life, Payback, Phantom Force, Play Rough, Pounce, Return, Scratch, Shadow Claw, Shadow Sneak, Slash, Take Down, Thief, Trailblaze, Wood Hammer, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Burning Jealousy, Charge Beam, Dark Pulse, Dazzling Gleam, Draining Kiss, Dream Eater, Giga Drain, Hex, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Infestation, Night Shade, Psychic, Round, Shadow Ball, Snore, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

After You, Attract, Baby-Doll Eyes, Bulk Up, Charm, Confide, Confuse Ray, Copycat, Curse, Destiny Bond, Double Team, Embargo, Endure, Grudge, Hone Claws, Light Screen, Magic Room, Mimic, Misty Terrain, Nightmare, Pain Split, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Safeguard, Screech, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Spite, Splash, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Taunt, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Will-O-Wisp, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Mimikyu.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

just seen one Mimikyu in cart soooo

[cyan smelt]

What moves

[solid frigate]

just play rough cuz i killed it already with Lando

[cyan smelt]

Mimikyu kinda bad

[solid frigate]

but my prediction is Swords Dance Shadow Sneak Protect and Play rough

unless its not SD

[modern harbor]

could i just replace fari with chi yu maybe?

[solid frigate]

idk

cuz i don't think Rain would like Chi Yu

[jade dust]

Man I love chandelure

[solid frigate]

if its manual rain then i guess it can work cuz i used Manual rainw ith Chi Yu before

[jade dust]

Since I added it to my team I’ve won against every zamasenta team

All of them use tera grass for some reason

I guess cuz amoonguss

[solid frigate]

Isn't that like what Ceruledge does in reg A-B

Its basically the same premise

[jade dust]

Oh yeah ceruledge also checks zama

[solid frigate]

but do not use it

[jade dust]

Nah I’m happy with chandelure

I finally changed for more optimal teras

[solid frigate]

took you like what 4 days of convincing

[jade dust]

I mean I said I would if grinding it wasn’t a pain in the ass

But I finally got enough today

[solid frigate]

Tera Shards aren't a Pain

you literally can just farm Tera Raids or Item Printer

[jade dust]

Yeah which is grindy

[modern harbor]

assuming u can afford dlc 😭

[jade dust]

But it’s fine

[solid frigate]

Tera Raids:

[jade dust]

Before I switch to pelipper

What tera

[solid frigate]

i got like 500 minimum

for every type

yes that includes Stellar

[jade dust]

Really? I was doing raids and I got like 10 per raid

[modern harbor]

i get 2-4 per raid how the fuck

thats with raid power 2 as well

takes like an hour and a half per pokemon

[solid frigate]

I bought the game in 2022

since Regulation A

[jade dust]

I did too

[modern harbor]

i bought it when it came out

[jade dust]

I bought it on release

[modern harbor]

i just had to restart my acc so all my items poof 2 weeks ago

[jade dust]

Ah the tera ghost tyranitar meta

[modern harbor]

also! ultra ball tier !!

[solid frigate]

Ok cattcameo is acceptable excuse,but Shreker how did you waste your Tera Shards-

[jade dust]

The murkrow gholdengo meta

[solid frigate]

i just use Meowscarada

idk what i'm doing in Reg A-B

[jade dust]

I wasted a lot in mons I wanted to experiment with but that sucked

Lmao

[solid frigate]

no wonder.

[jade dust]

Look, I love experimenting

[modern harbor]

true not everyone is a meta slave

[jade dust]

Else why I’m using chandelure and swampert

[solid frigate]

no convincing again

[jade dust]

Agree, which can create a new meta

Look at articuno

But I’m not here to argue

What tera pelipper?

[solid frigate]

thats because they know what they are doing,that current Meta is Ice Type Weak so Articuno can take advantage

[solid frigate]

Tera Ghost for Fake out Immunity or Steel for more resist

[jade dust]

Yeah and I’m not an expert or top player but I’ve been following the meta since XY

And playing in a few local tournaments and online ones too

But at smaller scale

And playing ranked obviously

[jade dust]

Alright I’ll do ghost if it’s to pressure zama

I used my ghost shard on Tyranitar

Time to farm again

@solid frigate hey can I ask something. Did you ever play Smash? I would expect you to be a Pyra and Mythra main if you did

[modern harbor]

im almost master ball!!

[jade dust]

Nice, go get it

[modern harbor]

should i run scarf, specs, or something else on chi yu? amd im assuming ghost tera, max spe/spa, timid, and a bunch of attacking moves

[jade dust]

Life orb is an option too

[modern harbor]

so i can protect

[jade dust]

Yeah exactly

[modern harbor]

good idea

[jade dust]

I try to stay away from choice items but I did run gholdengo with tera steel and choice specs to slam make it rain

[modern harbor]

i have seen sash too but i feel like so many other mons need it

[jade dust]

And I had murkrow with tailwind and haze

[modern harbor]

i love scarf on urshifu rapid

[solid frigate]

Sash be like:I'm here

[jade dust]

Unless she’s using sash elsewhere

Like on Shedinja

[sweet swallow]

Hello!

[modern harbor]

sash shedninja :3

[modern harbor]

hi :)

[jade dust]

Hi

[sweet swallow]

What would be a good way to get into VGC? :p

[modern harbor]

ive heard showdown and youtube videos!

[sweet swallow]

I’m interested but in the past team composition always failed me to the point I gave up haha. But that’s on me

[modern harbor]

i kind of just jumped straight into ranked but then talking here has helped me with team comp and strategy

[modern harbor]

right now i feel like its not too bad, since there's only one restricted pokemon per team so the matchups feel simpler to me

[jade dust]

We’ll play ranked and see what are some common teams, so you can think in a counter or copy some of their stuff, then theory craft your team in showdown

[modern harbor]

what i ended up doing is playing a bit to see what's meta, then making a box of only the meta pokemon i like, and picking from them

what do you guys think of ruination on chi yu?

probably should just go dark pulse right?

[sweet swallow]

That makes sense, I see! I can play ranked with some rental mons right to see what people are using on console?

[modern harbor]

true

[solid frigate]

dark pulse over ruination,Ruination does fixed damage which did not get the benefit from Beads of Ruin

[solid frigate]

yeah you can

[modern harbor]

also what do i do if i hate overheat

i feel like harsh spa drop is such a bad downside

[solid frigate]

use Flamethrower

[solid frigate]

because it was designed to be a nuke button-

[modern harbor]

im thinking flamethrower, will o wisp, protect, dark pulse?

[solid frigate]

if you don't wanna run Heat Wave then i guess it works

[modern harbor]

heat wave over flamethrower?

[solid frigate]

you can run Snarl if you fear against Special Attackers like Kyogre

[solid frigate]

i mean heat wave over wisp but it depends on you

[modern harbor]

snarl over pulse then?

[solid frigate]

if you hate Special Attackers then yes

[modern harbor]

snarl still ohkos caly s so should be good?

[solid frigate]

it should OHKO due to 4x weak+Beads of Ruin
252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Snarl vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Shadow: 196-232 (111.3 - 131.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

unless it teras

[modern harbor]

if tera fairy at least its -1 spa

[solid frigate]

yep

so Wisp,Flamethrower,Snarl and Protect is good if you are support Chi Yu that can still do damage

[modern harbor]

no heatwave i guess

[solid frigate]

you can if you don't want Wisp

[modern harbor]

probably for the best; 90acc is ...

guaranteed miss basically

[solid frigate]

i mean its ok but still depends on you,i use HO Chi Yu Set on my Terapagos team

Jade Lava (Chi-Yu) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 212 HP / 4 Def / 52 SpA / 4 SpD / 236 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Heat Wave
• Dark Pulse
• Overheat
• Snarl

I used this set

[modern harbor]

thats a lot of hp!

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1004: Chi-Yu

Types

Dark/Fire

Abilities

Beads of Ruin

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/80/80/135/120/100

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

i mean....

55 HP

[modern harbor]

55 💀

[solid frigate]

but it is not for staying for a long time

[modern harbor]

is mienshao fakeout?

[solid frigate]

Yeah usually Mienshao runs Fake Out

fake out,Close Combat,Wide Guard and one move you want

usually i run another move that is not immune by Ghost

POV:When Caly Ice player Wasted their Tera on something Else to murder Miraidon but the Electric Terrain is still up

[modern harbor]

damn it they got me with feint mienshao

i should have just attacked

[solid frigate]

F

[modern harbor]

oh god i have no idea what 2 of this guy's mons do

[solid frigate]

what two

[modern harbor]

new entei thing and cauldron head cow

he led them both 😭

[solid frigate]

Ting Lu is for Nerfing Special Attackers and try to be a super tank against them
Gouging Fire is for Howl Support

unless it uses Dragon dance which is a sweeper Gouging

[modern harbor]

im gonna try to will o wisp the ting lu

🙏

[solid frigate]

honestly for a learner,trying to anaylse the problem is not bad

[modern harbor]

its going ok but he swapped entei thing for amoonguss

[solid frigate]

what are you leading tho

[modern harbor]

flutterfish

hehehe got lucky spdef drop not sure if it mattered

[solid frigate]

Why do i feel like Chien Pao is a good Lead but anyways try neutralise them both

[modern harbor]

cow is will o wisped and last mon is zama

[solid frigate]

i think its not that bad rn in the state plus hes a moose

what other mons you have

Zama and what

[modern harbor]

chien

i doubled ting lu and ko

[solid frigate]

Ok thats a good play,now focus on trying to neutralise The last two

What is the Zama's Tera Type

your zama

[modern harbor]

grass :(

he's tera water

[solid frigate]

hows the board state rn

[modern harbor]

not good 😭

they got too many spa drops on my flutter

WAIT LUCKY CRIT LOL

its 1v1 zama but he's +3

no wait +2

[solid frigate]

oh boi

unless you get a crit with Moonblast

[modern harbor]

F i think i lose

[solid frigate]

yeah fair

[modern harbor]

CLOSE THO

ahhh he crit me anyways doesnt matter

[solid frigate]

you learnt a bit in the game tho

thats a good part

[modern harbor]

yea not to let the damn cow stay on the field forever

should have just smacked it with pao or smth

[solid frigate]

i think Pao is a Great Lead in your side

it threatens Ting Lu,Amoonguss and give Zamazenta some le way to set up cuz they might switch out

[modern harbor]

i usually like to lead pao and torn if they have fake out pressure

wait no flutter

either is ok

[solid frigate]

eh i mean fair

[modern harbor]

then i dont worry ab it 😭

[solid frigate]

i would lead Pao Flutter or Pao Zama anyway

[modern harbor]

i jusr fucked this guy up

[solid frigate]

you did do a pretty good job first match

[modern harbor]

IM DESTROYING THIS GUY

LOL

[solid frigate]

wait What restricted are the using

[modern harbor]

i forgor

[solid frigate]

pls don't tell me its Terapagos

[modern harbor]

ive seen urshifu dark, fish, rilla so far

[solid frigate]

the only restricted Zama is confident on killing is the turtle

[solid frigate]

that sounds pretty Terapagos to me

[modern harbor]

i beat them and only lost 1 mon lol

oh last was flutter

[solid frigate]

yep that sounds VERY Terapagos

if you don't bring Your Restricted against Zama then its 100% Terapagos

that guy just straight up explode when body pressed

[modern harbor]

i led flutter torn, they led urshifu s and rilla
i thought ofc theyre gonna glide flutter or at least sucker punch so i protect, sucker fails and since im alr faster than both mons i clicked free bleakwind

then i swapped flutter to zama bc if they sucker punch again it fails, and it can take a glide, got ANOTHER free bleakwind and killed shifu

and then they brought in and tera water fish, i rain danced it i think?

[solid frigate]

Tera Water Chi Yu huh

[modern harbor]

and then body press still 1 shot lul

meanwhile rilla still doing nothing

[solid frigate]

yeah that Terapagos Team sounds Very HO like

[modern harbor]

then it was just cleanup, they took out torn but easy sucker punch on last bit of rilla with pao and heavy slam :)))

i feel like i played that one good !!

but maybe just a good matchup/bad player

[solid frigate]

i think you did great,you did against its partner well

The thing about Terapagos is that they need a Partner who is specialised on Killing Zama

[modern harbor]

also i feel like tera grass zama is actually p good into kyogre, myraidon, and sometimes groudon

[modern harbor]

maybe chi yu but i mean zama just outspeeds unless it's scarf and i protected turn 1 anyways

[solid frigate]

i mean... it still Miraidon cuz ya know

[modern harbor]

zama is F against koraidon but i dont see it that much

and rain dance helps

also F against caly s and kinda F against caly I

[solid frigate]

i guess its good against Kyogre but Groudon idk cuz sometimes they run Heat Crash but you do you

[modern harbor]

ive seen 2 fire punch groudons

[solid frigate]

yeah exactly

[modern harbor]

but i like the team a lot bc it makes raging bolt mostly useless and i dont struggle with flutter anymore

[solid frigate]

it really depends on which bolt set

Electro Web looks very tasty on your team tho

[modern harbor]

sometimes it electro webs but if i tailwind it doesnt slow me down enough and chien pao forces either tera or switch

or ig protect or thunderclap but still

[solid frigate]

i think it works against My Terapagos Team i think

[modern harbor]

its satisfying 1 shotting bolt and miraidon :3

pao does so much dmg

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/7df0629e95a06e26

I think your team is solid against my team

[modern harbor]

ZENITSU

i love that

its maybe good against it but u have a lot of hazards

[solid frigate]

3 Xenoblade reference,1 demon slayer,One Among us reference and one normal name

[modern harbor]

like if i tera too early or something its sleepy time and one wrong protect or status and whimsicott has a field day

rly annoying to play against

[solid frigate]

honestly Encore is technically the only hope on beating your team

[modern harbor]

yeahhh

[solid frigate]

plus

Urshifu Water

[modern harbor]

i mean it kinda neutralizes wide guard and protect which makes terapagos stronger

[solid frigate]

the team is basically just like oh you doing that Rillaboom? thanks for giving me a Free Tera Shell back

[modern harbor]

but it might have a hard time if i lead torn pao and taunt whim, sacred sword turtle

[modern harbor]

i have NO clue what its ability does

i just know i have to hit it twice

[solid frigate]

Makes your Damage do not Very Effective in full health

[modern harbor]

ohh

[solid frigate]

and thats where Amoonguss comes in

[modern harbor]

pollen puff?

[solid frigate]

exactly

[modern harbor]

damn

is it specs tho?

[solid frigate]

or if you wanna be cheeky,Rage Powder on Chien Pao

[solid frigate]

Covert Cloak Calm Mind

[modern harbor]

wait i have a literal team sheet mb

what a pain lol

ok but tera grass zama and pao looks good into it still even with amoonguss as long as whimsicott is gone

bc i can always double into turtle, if u rage powder zama still hits and next turn is super effective, and if u dont both outspeed before puff goes off and kill turtle i think

definitely would have to play carefully up until that point, thats kind of the only win condition

if pao gets slept or i dont deal with whim its over lol

[solid frigate]

usually just Whims+Bolt is funni

but I love Chi Yu in this Team for one reason and one reason only

Feesh Hype

[modern cliff]

Can anyone make this team better and it can only lens https://pokepast.es/62a004a2d2294315 Its a doubles team

[balmy glen]

Not a lot of peeps in here play singles let alone BSS Singles ngl

[solid frigate]

if they play singles they play Smogon mostly

plus that team looks like a doubles team except the EVs

[modern cliff]

Torrent you want to update it?

[solid frigate]

not really

plus i have to go to groceries (Forcefully)

[modern cliff]

ok

[foggy lodge]

[balmy glen]

Ye I’m a smogon player but BSS is a little different

[solid frigate]

I mean BSS is like if Smogon had VGC Rules

but very different Metagame

i mean heck you can just spore 4 times cuz no sleep cause

[keen sleet]

what are good Gliscor poison heal substitue protect counters

[vernal solar]

hiya, so basically, I've never had never gotten into comp before and I have no clue where to start and I would like some pointers

[willow vault]

For singles, ice spinner great tusk

[charred saddle]

if u dont have any experience in compeitive scenes, id suggest you to read this post first
#competitive_discussion message

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

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Command triggered by abused1. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[vernal solar]

thank you

[charred saddle]

goodluck

[next stump]

Are you looking to play singles or doubles?

[vernal solar]

doubles

[next stump]

Awesome, then all of those links up there apply

Let us know if you have any other questions at all but my #1 piece of advice is to find a rental team you like and just play the game, don’t get too bogged down in learning everything at first

[upbeat quail]

I’m seeing so many more shadow riders these days running Tera water with Tera blast and I feel like I’m going insane

[solid frigate]

What the fu-

[upbeat quail]

I’ve run onto at least five of them on ladder this week (1400-1650 elo) and it’s making me wanna take a break lol

Also side note, I think Pokémon games need a better progression or reward system for online play. Losing in game just feels BAD. At least other comp games you earn some sort of progression even when you lose a match

[frozen mason]

will my alcremie get killed if i try to battle competitive?

[next stump]

what could they really give outside of maybe some in game items?

[next stump]

depends on the team around it, the pokemon is usable (at least in doubles)

[frozen mason]

the alcremie crawdaunt corviknight spearow orbeetle and the gallade is my team

[next stump]

yeah you’re getting destroyed in any online ranked battles with that team

singles or doubles

[upbeat quail]

New Cosmetics, ball capsule customization, exclusive currency for an in-game shop (not LP), new resources in game for building competitive mons. The list can go on. Right now the only thing you get from winning is an arbitrary number that resets each season. Let’s get some rewards on top of that

[solid frigate]

thats just-

Thats just Unite

[charred saddle]

honestly

give us shiny limited pokemon for ranked tiers

thatll be very nice haha

[solid frigate]

i mean

[foggy lodge]

Wolfey used it at NAIC

Maybe that's the reason

But idk why it would pop up rn

[upbeat quail]

Yep pretty much, and unite has a pretty solid progression system

Even if it is a FOMO game

[craggy dagger]

the shiny ruin quartet

[nocturne holly]

Their shinies are actually so good I thinks

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/chienpao.png

[nocturne holly]

that’s like chocolate ice cream

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/chiyu.png

[nocturne holly]

that’s fucking sick

Wo chiens is just red

Ting lus is mid tho

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/tinglu.png

[craggy dagger]

it looks fine

[solid frigate]

Gives me Registeel vibes with the BW Sprite

[nocturne holly]

toxic stall enternatus

I hate low ladder with a passion

[solid frigate]

lets just say

Its just cringe

[molten oasis]

Be better

[nocturne holly]

Shut up

And it was spamming cosmic power under aurora veil

[foggy lodge]

This one looks like those giant robots from Star Wars

[bold geode]

HAAIII NOVA

[molten oasis]

Nah be better

That’s freelo depending on what your using

[nocturne holly]

I also got froze in the match

[molten oasis]

So you got cheesed

[nocturne holly]

I still won tho

[molten oasis]

Then why r u complaining

[nocturne holly]

because I didn’t expect it 😭

https://pokepast.es/159561b287125d68 rilla over amoonguss? Basically a version of Patrick’s naic team

[molten oasis]

Why do you want rilla over amoonguss

[nocturne holly]

More fo and more damage output

Tbh I’m fine with amoonguss just wanted to see how it performs on this

[molten oasis]

I mean sure

You gonna keep the AV on bolt?

[nocturne holly]

I’ll probably switch it to booster

I might try amoonguss little longer tho

[nocturne holly]

I’ll probably just force myself to bring it for a couple games

[rustic mountain]

yea ive seen some ppl run that variant, its def a good team

[nocturne holly]

Fari is so nice

But I sometimes miss peli

[rustic mountain]

the broken 3 w/ caly ice and prio block and bolt

cant really go wrong imo

yea im currently running the exact same as patrick did, the teams great but i def get the giraffe choice

its trade offs

gain prio block, another tr setter and enabler vs weather control, wide guard support and an offensive burst mode w/ urshi and pelipper

[craggy dagger]

hi

[nocturne holly]

For me it’s mostly another tr setter

I’m good playing into Fo

It’s just that I have to think a little bit more against korai tbh lol

[rustic mountain]

yea it doesnt necessarily have to be all of the above, rather what they generally provide overall

opting out of fo is good regardless

and makes ppl think twice even if u dont switch it in or bring it

[nocturne holly]

Yep

[dapper gorge]

can someone tell me a good competitive team i can put together easily?

[nocturne holly]

Hh is also real nice on it
Peli also gets it but eh

[rustic mountain]

yea that was one of the mus that came to mind cuz w/o peli it seems rough ngl haha

[nocturne holly]

It’s alright with bolt

Getting tr off helps a ton

[rustic mountain]

yea

if ur just trying to get the hang of competitve, theres #rental_teams and also can check out cybertronvgc on youtube he posts rental codes and uses the team to show people how to get an idea of it and what not. by typing in the code your essentially borrowing the team till the code expires but id say it can save a lot of headache before trying to build from scratch essentially

@dapper gorge

[nocturne holly]

I need a more physically defensive amoonguss spread

incin flare blitz does so much to it

[rustic mountain]

can also build teams on showdown and play them there first to see if it works before using the resources in game to

[amber patrol]

Nintendo still hasn't banned my trick room torterra, very silly of them

Time to ruin rank 1

[balmy glen]

?

[amber patrol]

0 speed torterra, loaded dice, bullet seed, headlong rush, synthesis, curse, tera water

[jade dust]

https://pokepast.es/9ff7a62b58876975

Thoughts in this rain team?

[knotty mirage]

Is that an bss build

[molten oasis]

i aint even gonna try lol

[amber patrol]

VGC

LETS GO torterra woke up first turn

[molten oasis]

kind of a normal team

[amber patrol]

On my armadeedee team

[molten oasis]

if youre running cloak on torn you need some bulk

ogerpon wants follow me or taunt not play rough

[jade dust]

I have that for fairy coverage

[molten oasis]

you dont need it

[jade dust]

I dont like to not have intimidate

[molten oasis]

wha?

[knotty mirage]

Oh okay it just the moveset really look like bss build because no protect and curse on the moveset

[molten oasis]

also you have specs on overqwil shouldnt that be band?

[amber patrol]

I know protect is probably optimal but it's also really funny to get a super slow bulky torterra in trick room

[jade dust]

My bad lmao, thats supposed to be life orb

[molten oasis]

or life orb

ok if you have life orb protect over haze

you dont need it

overqwil just seems like a sweeper

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough

[molten oasis]

you need more speed too

[jade dust]

Alright, also I was thinking in putting hitmontop somewhere but I dont have where

[jade dust]

So I max evs on speed?

[molten oasis]

if you really want bulk you need a minimum of 60 speed so you outspeed calyrex shadow rider in rain

[molten oasis]

i would not suggest hitmon here

if anything id suggest adding urshifu

over overquil or ogerpon

electric seed farigiraf doesnt work without eterrain

[jade dust]

Ogerpon ios the one Im thinking to replace, but its a really good check to caly ice

[molten oasis]

you already have a decent mu for it with archaludon and kyogre

[jade dust]

And yeah I was gonna ask what item instead

[molten oasis]

sitrus probably

or goggles

i wouldnt suggest running imprison

youd gain more value out of another attacking move, wouild also open up throat spray as a move option

[jade dust]

Its to have a guaranteed way to stop trick room

[molten oasis]

just play though tr

you have a kyogre, kyogre is good into most of the tr stuff rn

CIR is usually tera fire so it cant tera

[craggy dagger]

where-
is-
whimsicott

[molten oasis]

torn's fine

[craggy dagger]

you don’t need rain dance torn when you have drizzle

[molten oasis]

thats like the whole point of tornogre

[jade dust]

in case my rain ends

[craggy dagger]

a simple swap is enough to screw with sun teams

[molten oasis]

torn allows rain to be reset in the situation rain gets shut down

[molten oasis]

a simple swap is a loss of momentum

[jade dust]

^

Unless you get value out of swap like parting shot

[craggy dagger]

ehhh-
not if you can actually position well

[molten oasis]

i think torn is fine

torn also complements kyogre well with being able to threaten grass types

torns fine

[craggy dagger]

i just find encore a lot more valuable

[molten oasis]

anyway, id suggest like, gimme a sec

[molten oasis]

well sure

but i think its what the player wants out of the support more than anything

i personally would be running torn

i think resetting rain without having to switch in and out kyogre is valuable

[nocturne holly]

I forgot how much foul play does into cir

[craggy dagger]

but encore locking them into protect

[nocturne holly]

Especially if it’s stab from umbreon

[molten oasis]

fair, but also whats whims doing to a rillaboom

BEYOND ENCORING FAKE OUT

[craggy dagger]

encore fake out

that’s all you need though

[molten oasis]

i dont click fo infront of whims tbh

[craggy dagger]

you’ll force them to swap if you encore

[molten oasis]

unless i need it

[craggy dagger]

and i guess like you said
swap = loss of momentum

therefore encore better so opponent swaps more often

[molten oasis]

run whims then

[craggy dagger]

i do
she’s on every single one of my teams

[molten oasis]

got the argument turned on my fucking head

[craggy dagger]

yup

[foggy lodge]

Hurricane Torn with Kyogre is sooo good

[molten oasis]

clearly not cuz whims is just the superior kyogre prio partner because of encore

[craggy dagger]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2162666372
well
that went
better than i expected despite not
being able to
mess up
ally switch predictions

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/369fc092abdbfb16 @jade dust id suggest this

[craggy dagger]

well tbf
both have their benefits
just i prefer encore cause of force swaps

unless they sit there and wait the encore out xD

[molten oasis]

i think overqwil is not very good tbh, and youd get more value from shifu

[foggy lodge]

That's why i hate Whimsi so much

Prankster encore is fucked up

[molten oasis]

i like whims

i think torn is better for kyogre

[foggy lodge]

You can't use something like protect in front of him

[craggy dagger]

swift swim shuca with acid spray though

[molten oasis]

is that what that one team was running?

[foggy lodge]

Yeh

[molten oasis]

still

[craggy dagger]

dont think it was shuca berry
but swift swim acid spray yes

[jade dust]

why coaching on urshifu?

[molten oasis]

personally im not fond of it

[molten oasis]

oops uh, replace that for aqua jet

i play zacian coaching shifu is good for zacian

[jade dust]

Lmao alright

[molten oasis]

psychic noise procs throat spray

fari then walls out CSR

[craggy dagger]

howl encore speed tail though

[molten oasis]

howl sucks

ive tried it, i dont think its worthwhile

on both gouging and scream tail

@amber patrol you need a lot more on that rental

just the picture isnt enough

[amber patrol]

Dam 😞

[molten oasis]

follow the format on the other rentals

[amber patrol]

How do I use pokepaste

[bronze vessel]

i just fought this guy whos entire team was ice types apart from 2 legends

why?

why ice types and only that

[molten oasis]

theres a button on showdown that shows your team and makes it a pokepaste

[amber patrol]

Okayr

[molten oasis]

monotype team ig

[amber patrol]

I'll just delete it for now can't be asked to do that rn

[molten oasis]

gotta wait 6 hours to redo it anyway

[amber patrol]

[molten oasis]

anyway

i think howl is good on groudon teams

your restricted can run clear amulet

Zacian cannot run clear amulet

meaning howl is just very succeptable to intimidate and parting shot