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#competitive_discussion
pallid lance
Oof
Alright well that axes a lot of pokémon I feel like. Ones that are only good for that, but I hear you.
polar canyon
In singles, probably smeargle but baton pass is kinda more of a joke strat or considered toxic
pallid lance
Oh it's even toxic 💀 dang every idea to try and be more effective seems unwelcome
polar canyon
I mean you're free to try
pallid lance
Maybe it's cus my friend does stuff like a gattling gun maushold or like a crazy palafin build to me 🤔
polar canyon
You shouldn't care if it's toxic or not yourself
polar canyon
Point is baton pass strats no good
pallid lance
Yeah alright
polar canyon
You need to really know how to play well to try them in singles and shouldn't ever try in doubles
pallid lance
Oh nintendo direct starting gtg!
polar canyon
Shoot
mighty stump
Oh did you see the stuff I spoke about calculating effective bulk
Smogon forums are still really good for fundamentals tbh, just know where to look
polar canyon
Just reiterating, doubles do play very differently from singles in a way you can't have a team work for both properly
Doubles are more fast paced and take more brain
Singles sometimes are kind of like an endurance contest
You need to keep most of your team healthy in the long run
mighty stump
I'd say Singles is very call based as well
polar canyon
Singles also really depends if it's 6v6 or 3v3
mighty stump
Like you need to be able to think very far ahead in 6v6
pallid lance
I'd say Singles is very call based as well
It's just SO much time thinking about this stuff on my own is exhausting, I wanna chat about it with ppl eventually
mighty stump
It's pretty endless lol
polar canyon
Knowing what you need to do in order to win before the battle even starts in 6v6 is even more essential than in doubles imo
pallid lance
Battles so far have been very like... they are down 2 mons they can't come back
autumn vault
Playing UU rn and damn is 6v6 and 4v4 different
polar canyon
Playing UU rn and damn is 6v6 and 4v4 different
Doubles uu or singles compared to doubles?
autumn vault
Doubles uu or singles compared to doubles?
Singles UU
polar canyon
It's like a different game
pallid lance
All my reserves overtake my opponents so far before they can bounce back. I killed a lot of paradox suicune for some reason they keep using that.
autumn vault
And 4v4 VGC
polar canyon
Hazards are actually good, can you imagine
autumn vault
Yeah
Stealth Rocks and Spikes are the reason people run heavy duty boots
And i also can't forget to mention i'm playing my favourite pokemon excadrill rn
polar canyon
Oh yeah ttar is uu right
polar canyon
Ttar made me pretty mad when I was 15 playing swsh season 1 bss
The dmax weakness policy
autumn vault
WP was pretty strong with D-max
polar canyon
Ok this game in the direct looks awesome
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/1a068423eda69509 This is the team i'm playing rn
Lack of hazards is hurting me but i can manage
Yeah ik 2 choice bands and 3 boots is very repetitive
Considering dropping Scizor for Tinkaton for the hazards
pallid lance
Not to use it, but technically is Diglett literally just a dig spam strat and that's all it's good for? 😂
autumn vault
Not to use it, but technically is Diglett literally just a dig spam strat and th...
Idk i don't play LC
polar canyon
Dugtrio is cool for the arena trap
Diglett is an lc staple
Faster than most of the babies in the tier
It was the big ponyta counter when I played last gen
autumn vault
Dugtrio dominates gen 3 OU because of Arena Trap
polar canyon
Oh my god
autumn vault
P2 literally is a counter to Dugtrio
polar canyon
Donkey kong country returns hd
autumn vault
polar canyon
Not a new game
There better be new content
Because I still have the Wii game and my wii u
polar canyon
Yep no new content announced
autumn vault
cringe
polar canyon
I love donkey kong so mixed opinions
autumn vault
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9uu-2145590697 I feel bad about beating this guy ngl
polar canyon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9uu-2145590697 I feel bad about beating th...
Those first few turns looked embarrassing tbh
autumn vault
Yeah ik
Thanks to thag i'm reconsidering leftovers on tink
Ew strategy anime game
polar canyon
Maybe air balloon
autumn vault
Idk 4 now
polar canyon
Mario party battle royale
YES
links awakening switch style new game???
Zelda game as zelda
The zelda game
polar canyon
So hyped for this one
autumn vault
Tri?!
polar canyon
I was so expecting a remake when I saw links awakening switch style again
autumn vault
Ok this is very interesting
autumn vault
I was so expecting a remake when I saw links awakening switch style again
Yeah, and when pig ganon appeared
polar canyon
When I saw link I thought
Hell yeah oracle games
Then I saw pig ganon and I thought
Hell yeah link to the past remake
They got the horizon game on switch
autumn vault
The direct has concluded
craggy dagger
they really do love us
chrome knot
whyyyyyy
patent marsh
The direct has concluded
This direct is pretty positive overall 13/24 games I would play vs Sony's measly 1/9 with the killer bean meme pick of a game
I would count monster hunter wilds but it's only 1 yesr exclusivity and monster hunter is always better on PC
mighty stump
Ace Attorney pog
autumn vault
Only complaint about the direct is lack of Fire Emblem but thats ok since we got to see many games that look promising
patent marsh
Only complaint about the direct is lack of Fire Emblem but thats ok since we got...
To be honest
autumn vault
?
patent marsh
I want this to cook more
Fire emblem engage took the best gameplay but the dialogue was so bad in even JP that I want them to properly cook a game with that gameplay
autumn vault
You basically want a similar game to FEA but with way better dialogue?
Only played Awakening and 3H
Not sure Engage is worth it
But seems like a good one
polar canyon
Actually I got to the direct 5 minutes late
And missed my now favorite announcement
That I'm extremely hyped for
Mario & Luigi is BACK BABY
And links awakening style new installment
Of zelda where you finally play as zelda and it's not wand of gamelon
And the main mechanic involves combining tools and summons in inventive and creative ways to solve puzzles and situations
And it's not a remake
Literally the perfect game
dull ibex
Marvel V Capcom
DUDE IM HYPE
autumn vault
Not a fan of either Marvel or Capcom so i won't buy the game
dull ibex
Mario Party is cute if I had friends
👀
mighty stump
Im only excited from Ace Attorney
dull ibex
mario party has online play 👀
mighty stump
oh Farmagia doesn't look shit
dull ibex
new mario and luigi is insane
mighty stump
Nevermind I lied
mighty stump
Cant
dull ibex
F
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
mighty stump
Wonder if the 30% is worth it
next stump
probably nowadays best to do something like Wisp/Trick Room/Shadow Sneak/Play Rough (can drop one move for protect)
the old set used to be Shadow Sneak/Shadow Claw/Play Rough/Protect with life orb but I don’t think it does enough damage in this meta
vale cove
alr cheers
molten oasis
New Mario party looks fun
chrome knot
new mario party?
OH MY FUCKING GOD THEY BROUGHT BACK WESTERN LAND
IM GONNA CRYYYYYYYYYYYY
molten oasis
Nintendo dropped some bangers today
zinc totem
im brain storming vgc team atm while doing bbq quests with friends 
Urshifu SS and Lunala with wide guard is rn in my choises 
chrome knot
@next stump @balmy glen would you play mario party with me
next stump
down
bold geode
Im only excited from Ace Attorney
Idk the Mario and Luigi looks dope AF
bold geode
New Mario party looks fun
Hey Drago guess what
molten oasis
bold geode
Look at my pfp
molten oasis
Cool
autumn vault
Look at my pfp
Is it weird that i forgot where your PFP is from?
Ik where it came from yet idk the name
Avatar, there it is
Since you became an avatar character, i took the place as the Pedro
bold geode
Since you became an avatar character, i took the place as the Pedro
No you took Pedro so I changed to Avatar cuz now that you took Pedro, Pedro is no longer funny
molten oasis
Btw, I’m taking a break from VGC for the week so I probably won’t be around too much
autumn vault
No you took Pedro so I changed to Avatar cuz now that you took Pedro, Pedro is n...
🖕
Pedro > Avatar
bold geode
Lyco is like Facebook
As soon as he starts in on the joke, the joke dies
autumn vault
Monke is like a stupid person
Has no braincells in that empty head
bold geode
I mean everyone knew that
molten oasis
Monke is like a stupid person
Has no braincells in that empty head
Who says you’re not empty in the head
bold geode
Like do bears shit in the woods? Yes
Is Monke stupid? Same answer
Is Lyco mid? Let's see the trend
forest arrow
Lmaooo
bold geode
Fuckin SURVEY SAYS
autumn vault
Is Monke obsessed with blue people in a weird way? Yes
molten oasis
That meme is top tier
molten oasis
bold geode
Wow you digging deep huh
bold geode
Not worth my time
autumn vault
Fair
bold geode
Need to get Sword played lol
craggy dagger
zinc totem
i talked yesterday about being creative and i use only one mystery pokemon and rest are basic i think
craggy dagger
it looks fine to me since creativity doesn’t only come from having weird team members
zinc totem
yeah but i think this is what most people use
craggy dagger
i’m curious abt the lunala spread-
though maybe i just don’t know shit about lunala
zinc totem
i talked yesterday about being creative and i use only one mystery pokemon and r...
oh yeah indeedee nature is sassy and whimsicott is timid, and bloodmoon ursaluna is quiet forgot set natures for them
next stump
Ursaluna should be life orb and not AV, also if Lunala gets access to Expanding Force you should probably consider that. Otherwise, looks like a decent team
a little awkward to balance TR and tailwind like that but just don’t being whimsicott and indeedee to the same match probably
zinc totem
a little awkward to balance TR and tailwind like that but just don’t being whims...
yeah i dont like whimsicott to be honest but beacuse i dont have access pokemon like tornadus, whimsy is kinda must
zinc totem
Ursaluna should be life orb and not AV, also if Lunala gets access to Expanding ...
also wouldnt silk scarf work now i think about it?
as it would boost hyper voice and blood moon power
forest arrow
it works but if nothing else is running LO then why not
bold geode
it works but if nothing else is running LO then why not
Hey babe
bold geode
Good, working
forest arrow
I just got off
Grimmsnarl @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 188 Def / 68 SpD
Careful Nature
- Misty Terrain
- Swagger
- Light Screen
- Spirit Break
lost the tweet but have yall seen this
next stump
yeah i dont like whimsicott to be honest but beacuse i dont have access pokemon ...
Why is whimsicott (or even tailwind) a must? Also yeah Silk Scarf can work too, but usually Life Orb is preferred if the item slot is available
bold geode
Grimmsnarl @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EV...
Bro hates Amoongus
I actually fought that before, but with Cloak lmao
forest arrow
any status thats why swagger is there for physical attackers just wanted to share
zinc totem
Why is whimsicott (or even tailwind) a must? Also yeah Silk Scarf can work too, ...
beacuse whimsicott is my replacement for tornadus
forest arrow
yeah i dont remember item, i lost the tweet
autumn vault
Why is whimsicott (or even tailwind) a must? Also yeah Silk Scarf can work too, ...
I recommended him Tailwind to get the TailRoom core going
autumn vault
Ursaluna should be life orb and not AV, also if Lunala gets access to Expanding ...
Lunala does get EP
zinc totem
yeah i gave lunala expanding force
next stump
If you’re doing tailroom, you should have a speedy Ursaluna
autumn vault
I really like TailRoom lunala
forest arrow
Timid 236+ outspeeds Caly S in TW
zinc totem
If you’re doing tailroom, you should have a speedy Ursaluna
no idea what tailroom really is
chrome knot
it looks fine to me since creativity doesn’t only come from having weird team me...
the indeedee has expanding force.
forest arrow
teams that have Tailwind/Trickroom
zinc totem
ah.thought it had something going on spesifically but i guess that was simpler thingt than i thouyght
ofcourse i dont like use whimsicott and indeedee (i dislike how they look) but i start with tailroom to dip my toes in vgc
tho trick room and having max speed bloodmoon ursaluna is a bit weird which is why i didnt do max speed on it
but i trust people who are better than me
is trick room to counter trickroom teams ?
charred saddle
well in some cases it does, i think what you lack is jus like general understanding how team works (?)
being speedy =/= no need of TR
since ttheres still like speed tiers and stuff
ie. as example only, max speed ursaluna still is slower than flutter mane, and TR will still help.
TR in a case is just a flip of speed, doesnt necessarily mean that u have to bbe slow or fast. as long as u are slower. (opposing side seting TW and u set TR is also a case)
next stump
I think having trick room and tailwind on a team is probably too difficult for someone who is completely new to VGC
forest arrow
yeah TailRoom is difficult to pilot
charred saddle
but yeah, the more tech you have in the tteam --> requires more knowledge and experience to play with it
zinc totem
well in some cases it does, i think what you lack is jus like general understand...
hmm hmm i see i see. And as long as i got abit understanding how it works, i can pilot it slowly and learn it
autumn vault
Tailwind teams are typically the easiest teams to pilot
zinc totem
im fast learner haha
willow vault
Tailwind teams are typically the easiest teams to pilot
Agreed, hyper offense is normally what I would suggest to start learning with
zinc totem
Tailwind teams are typically the easiest teams to pilot
haha yeah. i wasnt thinking using tr or tw tbf at first
but seeing how they're most used i was like "i guess i should go for that"
charred saddle
everyone have different gameplay and approach.
i start by balance teams and not HO or hard TR or TR
id say just start from trying out rentals
zinc totem
<:shrug:1176946726796542126> everyone have different gameplay and approach.
i s...
yeah. for me i was originally thinking going something balanced and had in mind maybe latias as tailwind support without follow me indeedee
charred saddle
from there u will like get an understanding of how good teams works and why they work and which archetype that u like to play
zinc totem
but latias is said be trash so
zinc totem
from there u will like get an understanding of how good teams works and why they...
tbf in smogon i learned dislike TR and TW teams
willow vault
from there u will like get an understanding of how good teams works and why they...
That makes sense, often require a lot more positioning is the major thing with balance
charred saddle
id say, balance teams are usually a more robust mons that basicallly are ttop picks and latias is def not.
forest arrow
not trash just power crept, Latios won a regional
craggy dagger
the indeedee has expanding force.
i can see that
autumn vault
That makes sense, often require a lot more positioning is the major thing with b...
Idk who you're talking to but they seem like they know what they are talking about
willow vault
Idk who you're talking to but they seem like they know what they are talking abo...
Just pointing out information about balance teams
zinc totem
yeah but i dont wanna go completely top picks on team which is maybe bad mindset to have
autumn vault
Just pointing out information about balance teams
Yeah ik that, i blocked bububaba which is why i said that
charred saddle
well
its back on your choice
willow vault
Nothing wrong with using the best mons
autumn vault
Why not just trade for them?
zinc totem
but i hate mirror battles
charred saddle
im having fun when i win. thats what gets me going.
i will def have more fun using mons that i like, but to learn how to use those mons means that i need to understand their use. i need more experience
willow vault
That’s why using rentals is so good, it doesn’t matter if you have the Pokémon
craggy dagger
im having fun when i win. thats what gets me going.
i will def have more fun us...
yeah!
zinc totem
Why not just trade for them?
nothing to offer for raging bolts, rapid strike urshifu,tornadus, calorexes
zamazentas and koraidons and such
willow vault
Rental teams
autumn vault
Then try to find something thats valuable enough
Or just use the rental teams we have in #rental_teams
charred saddle
nothing to offer for raging bolts, rapid strike urshifu,tornadus, calorexes
theres always a market for them.
in my case i restarted SV game multiple times by now ( more than 12 at resets) and caught all legendaries just to get what i want
zinc totem
Then try to find something thats valuable enough
i got only extra grouodns in pokemon go which everyone gets anyway from every pokemon game
charred saddle
other method is just shiny marked mons. personality marked, rare marked
zinc totem
theres always a market for them.
in my case i restarted SV game multiple times...
yeah but i need then think what i want sacrifice in my first save so i can do it on new profile
charred saddle
while accessibility is a thing, you can def get what you want
make an alt account(?)
autumn vault
yeah but i need then think what i want sacrifice in my first save so i can do it...
Just curious but who are you talking to? I only see blocked message
Don't worry ik
balmy glen
moment
autumn vault
What, ik they already have me blocked
zinc totem
make an alt account(?)
dont have e-mail open for it
and i think it will clear my save from switch
willow vault
Make a new email
charred saddle
i usually just do alt email kek
autumn vault
Yeah
zinc totem
but i still need think what pokemons to sacrifice from my main save
willow vault
And the poke bank can be used for free, to transfer pokemon to the main account
charred saddle
im just giving options, its ur choice
charred saddle
And the poke bank can be used for free, to transfer pokemon to the main account
u mean home?
willow vault
Oh yeah mb
autumn vault
And the poke bank can be used for free, to transfer pokemon to the main account
Poke Bank and Poke transporter are no longer available on the e-shop
But they still work
willow vault
I meant home I said wrong one
zinc totem
yeah, i probs would've made an alt account but i cant send pokemon home my pokemons from main save as i havent bought the premium for pokehome send my pokemons there
charred saddle
you dont need premium to move around mons
you get 30 slot for free and thats definitely enough for a run
premium just helps a ton
zinc totem
i meant i need send from main save to pokemon home pokemons so i can do alt and play game through again
cuz it will clear my save from my first playthrough from physical copy of violet
charred saddle
it doesnt,
make an alt account.
means u have main account and alt. both at the same switch
zinc totem
but doesnt alt account have same save as main if you make new profile?
or am i thinking too much 3DS/nintendo ds mentality
charred saddle
no, they will have different saves
different profile in switch --> different save
each of those profile i have, had different saves
zinc totem
different profile in switch --> different save
so if i have physical copy, it works same as digital?
charred saddle
its the same
autumn vault
so if i have physical copy, it works same as digital?
Just create 2 accounts
charred saddle
matter of fact, physical copy have easier time making alts
autumn vault
That way you have 2 saves
bold geode
autumn vault
finally a funny meme from you
zinc totem
matter of fact, physical copy have easier time making alts
so i can just go add user
charred saddle
yes
zinc totem
without worries
charred saddle
add user -> regiser new account that u made with +1 thing -> new alt
like what, it took only 15 min
zinc totem
i guess i can use one of my hotmail e-mails i use on everyday bills and such
zinc totem
+1 thing? i see add user then create new user
autumn vault
Just create another user
charred saddle
example@gmail.com
then
example+1@gmail.com
the +1 will still be connected to...
this.
autumn vault
And load the game with the new account
charred saddle
i mean when ur registering new account
autumn vault
So simple
charred saddle
+1 thing? i see add user then create new user
for more detail explanation
gentle cragBOT
minkasreverie (ID 899106297792856074)
zinc totem
https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/678686864957505579/1141658975335...
so i go sign in and link and do that +1 there?
zinc totem
Just follow these instructions
yeah but i need know where to navigate do that
autumn vault
zinc totem
https://tenor.com/view/google-exists-google-search-it-geekboy-geekboy-cz-gif-259...
i actually tried do that but all it say is that "once you make new user, sign in to other e-mail to link it"
but google dont find +1 method
charred saddle
so i go sign in and link and do that +1 there?
register first
since its still counted as new account
after then, u can sign in with that account
zinc totem
register first
sorry about being hassle, im new to this haha but something like this?
charred saddle
nickname can be anything.
the email will need the "example" as ur main account to get the notification
ie. ur account is Exzlu@gmail
just do Exzlu+1@gmail
it will still send the notification to ur Exzlu email
zinc totem
ie. ur account is Exzlu@gmail
just do Exzlu+1@gmail
so i write now to the that e-mail address same e-mail i use on my main profile added +1 on it?
charred saddle
ye
silver ravine
Do you even need a Nintendo account for your other profile?
patent marsh
Do you even need a Nintendo account for your other profile?
No unless you wanna use the free trial
silver ravine
No unless you wanna use the free trial
Gotcha. The video I watched never mentioned it, but then again it didn't cover Home. Thank you
gentle cragBOT
Gotcha. The video I watched never mentioned it, but then again it didn't cover H...
striferealists has given 1 Gen Rep to kumicharizard
patent marsh
Gotcha. The video I watched never mentioned it, but then again it didn't cover H...
You don't need home on your alts
Home can directly access all the sames on your switch
Even from other accounts
The page where you select the game you wanna access just above all the list games you can change the user
Of the saves you want to access
silver ravine
Right that's prob why it didn't cover home
Still big sad that held items aren't transferred to home. Probably won't be able to get a moon ball for Bloodmoon
forest arrow
Just catch 340 in the dex for moon ball easy
silver ravine
That's a lot of effort though D:
forest arrow
joking
silver ravine
To be fair I did transfer like 200 something, so I'm not too far away. Still far away from the Teal Mask dex, but I'm working on Dynmax Adventures atm. Just got Necrozma and working on Landorus now.
patent marsh
Still big sad that held items aren't transferred to home. Probably won't be able...
You can make a living dex and transfer that living dex to the other save if you got a home sub
But you'll need someone to help trade the moon balls over to main if that's what you mean
silver ravine
How much is premium? I have the free version and lets just say it was painful to transfer 30 at a time for like 200+
patent marsh
How much is premium? I have the free version and lets just say it was painful to...
Uh
It's like 20$?
Lemme check
silver ravine
Oh dang that's not too bad if it's for a year
patent marsh
Oh dang that's not too bad if it's for a year
Ah it's 15$ a year I think
Cause it's 64 in my currency a year which translate to 13$ a year
silver ravine
Even better. Kinda feel like Scrooge McDuck now
bold geode
hiking date
Me when those are 4 day stretches
next stump
pleaseeeee pokémon just release the schedule
bold geode
Twitter
silver ravine
Just got Poipole. Shame UBs aren't in Gen in 9.
foggy lodge
Is there a spread to make Urshifu live a Tclap without tera?
charred saddle
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 156 Atk / 100 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Surging Strikes
- Close Combat
- Aqua Jet
- U-turn
108+ SpA Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 0 HP / 100 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 162-192 (92.5 - 109.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
honestly its not worth it
u can still take more from atk to put into hp for 100 to make it 12,5% ohko
but idk, still do max spped scarf for 223 > max spe timid caly s
u can maybe take more from speed and just outspeed important stuff it needs to outspeed
then again, bolt spread are quite diverse so
covert moon
mighty stump
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Wa...
my Urshifu is based it lives Tclap from max spa modest
😎
@foggy lodge But it’s not scarfed
So
Since you’re trading offense/speed for bulk
shadow wind
So I've been out of the comp scene for a while, what is considered good elo on showdown?
For Reg G I mean.
mighty stump
Average is what, 1500 ig? good would be like, Top 100?
Although just keep in mind elo isn’t always a full descriptor of a person’s skill, and overall performance trends is better
best to be steadily 1500s and improving slowly rather than fluke out one top 100 i think
but thats just my personal opinion
I feel like in general if you know what you’re doing top 500 elo is standard
It also matters what GXE you have
best to aim for 70+ although 65-70 is ok, since if people choose to play and test on one account things get muddled up
So its recommended to climb on a fresh account
charred saddle
my Urshifu is based it lives Tclap from max spa modest
oh right u have the bulky shifu thing
mighty stump
Like for example I had a good elo but I has a sub 70 GXE since it was a main account that I use to do random shit w so I wasn’t as happy
charred saddle
isnt it like adamant with very low atk investment haha
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 4 Def / 140 SpD / 84 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Surging Strikes
- Aqua Jet
- Close Combat
- Protect
harsh marsh
first time hitting masterball rank, and with a team i built on my own. im so fricking hyped right now
strange fjord
first time hitting masterball rank, and with a team i built on my own. im so fri...
congrats! always cool to see people hit master ball with their own team. what did you use?
harsh marsh
Zamazenta, Chien-pao, Ogerpon, G-Moltres, Farigaraf, Incineroar. i know its not the most unique team. but minus incineroar it is composed of only pokemon i really like
autumn vault
Zamazenta is a good pick
harsh marsh
thats why i got into competitive. shield was my favourite and it was a bummer everyone was hating on zam. when i heard he was viable i decided to give competitive a go
autumn vault
Zamazenta proved the haters wrong in Gen 9
Now people hate it because of how busted it is now
And people hated it because of how bad it was
cyan smelt
I hate on miraidon because of how annoying it is with volt switch
harsh marsh
i run chien-pao with ice spinner. goes well into miraidons terrain
autumn vault
I run rillaboom, does amazing into those teams
harsh marsh
yeah that would be a good pick too
cyan smelt
Then the farig just sets up tr though
harsh marsh
zamazenta finally getting the appreciation he deserves
autumn vault
Skill issue
autumn vault
zamazenta finally getting the appreciation he deserves
If it was your majesty, it would have been way better
Your Majesty the Rank Master
harsh marsh
Then the farig just sets up tr though
my farig is a troll farig. it has Hyper voice, trick room, protect, imprison. i have not pressed trick room once since in all my battles to master. i just use imprison to shut down trick room teams
strange fjord
When a team comes together 
harsh marsh
If it was your majesty, it would have been way better
i can always send him back to my shield profile and change his name
strange fjord
Change the name to "Scooby" 😈
cyan smelt
I'm thinking bout adding chien Pao to my Zama team, I've tried ting lu and chi yu with no success
Zama and chien Pao have natural synergy
worldly spear
It's def a nice partner, Zama's biggest opp imo is tera ghost incin and chien pao with crunch really helps pressure it
autumn vault
You can use Throat Chop instead
Or Sucker Punch
Both of which are better options then crunch
worldly spear
Oh yeah throat chop is better
cyan smelt
Throat chop is good against opposing farigiraf too
worldly spear
I like sucker punch normally but incin will just wanna click wisp or parting shot anyway
harsh marsh
plus having chien-pao on the team means that in any turn you can switch him in and do alot more damage with zam with his defense dropping ability
cyan smelt
Does the adamant chien Pao lorb set still outspeed miraidon
harsh marsh
chien also covers most of zams natural weaknesses expecially ghost types
harsh marsh
Does the adamant chien Pao lorb set still outspeed miraidon
they both base 135
cyan smelt
Yeah ik but miraidon is usually modest specs
harsh marsh
so if the miraidon is modest then it would be speed tie
autumn vault
Plus both run 252 speed
harsh marsh
plus chien-pao mostly running sash so if u lose the speed tie you still get a shot
autumn vault
Modest and Adamant Miraidon and Pao respectively speed tie
autumn vault
plus chien-pao mostly running sash so if u lose the speed tie you still get a s...
With Life Orb you don't get that shot if you fail
cyan smelt
The lorb set seems interesting, the Japanese really cook haha
harsh marsh
hes too frail with life orb. you got redirection?
cyan smelt
Is the lorb set usually stellar tera
autumn vault
I got support
autumn vault
Is the lorb set usually stellar tera
I think so
With stellar you one shot Groudon and CIR
worldly spear
Damn fr? That's crazy
cyan smelt
How's it do against caly s
autumn vault
252+ Atk Life Orb Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Throat Chop vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider: 174-211 (84 - 101.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Ice Spinner vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Groudon: 187-221 (90.3 - 106.7%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
Without stellar
With Stellar you obviously one shot
worldly spear
Pr cool
autumn vault
252+ Atk Life Orb Sword of Ruin Tera-Stellar Chien-Pao Ice Spinner (1st Use) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Groudon: 250-296 (120.7 - 142.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
worldly spear
You have to infer that they're not gonna defensive tera though or swap out, would suck to burn your stellar boost
autumn vault
252+ Atk Life Orb Sword of Ruin Tera-Stellar Chien-Pao Throat Chop (1st Use) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider: 234-281 (113 - 135.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
autumn vault
You have to infer that they're not gonna defensive tera though or swap out, woul...
But you still get massive damage on them
Plus you can always just double and predict tera
And if you survive you can Sucker Punch and get the boost before dying
balmy glen
Life orb Tera stellar chien…
harsh marsh
thats also why zam pairs well with chein-pao. you threaten a throat chop with schine, they tera into fairy most of the time then you get a free heavy slam with zam
balmy glen
Haven’t seen that one in awhile
cyan smelt
We can thank Japan nationals for lorb tera stellar chien Pao
balmy glen
what team have u been running it on
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/49c8751ea9348ebe This one
Yeah ik AV isn't the best on Groudon
I run L-Orb chien on other teams, let me go find them
balmy glen
no protect on sash whim...
autumn vault
Yeah ik thats would be bad
balmy glen
is that cts
autumn vault
Yes
balmy glen
ok nvm its fine then
autumn vault
I don't compete irl
Mostly because in my area they don't host tournaments that much
And it's spain
balmy glen
wondering why you dont just slap covert cloak but uh
balmy glen
its nice except in tw miror
autumn vault
without protect it's definetely a good choice
And maybe even better than Sash in this case
balmy glen
like i mean not having protect
autumn vault
TW mirrors haven't been too bad
Groudon lives hits easily
Chien Pao and Bolt have priority moves
And flutter mane in sun is very fast
But i did lose to TW teams a few times
worldly spear
Doesn't the offensive chien pao strat fall apart after one intimidate drop
autumn vault
Doesn't the offensive chien pao strat fall apart after one intimidate drop
It still does very good damage
Plus SoR benefits Amulet restricted legends that are physical
And you can't forget, it still can do some very good damage even after an intimidate drop
Just, not as much as you'd expect
charred saddle
i think if u wanna do a set up caly S, you mightt want a more bulkier spread. since ur also under the tthreatt of scarfshifu
last spot can be clef as a good pairing with caly S maybe?
dont really have much experience on it tho
dapper crag
Need to counter Spore but I can't sacrafice my abilities on my water team. Ideas?
earnest hamlet
i think if u wanna do a set up caly S, you mightt want a more bulkier spread. si...
idk if your talking to me, but with urshifu, i specifically lead with caly shadow and weezing so i cna protect on caly and will o wisp with weezing, has worked everytime so far
balmy glen
Need to counter Spore but I can't sacrafice my abilities on my water team. Ideas...
Wdym your abilities on your water team
dapper crag
Swift Swim, Sheer Force, Intimidate
balmy glen
why do u need to sacrifice abilities just readjust your moves by adding taunt on something and change to Tera grass Tera’s on like two pokemon depending on if u have safety goggles etc etc
I usually like 3 amoongus options just cuz it’s so broken
mighty stump
I usually like 3 amoongus options just cuz it’s so broken
What if they have 4 spore options
What do you do now
mighty stump
Tofu and i have been using it
More specifically I liked clicking buttons with it
autumn vault
Thats better
dapper crag
why do u need to sacrifice abilities just readjust your moves by adding taunt on...
Exactly why I asked. I don’t know anything about anything outside of stuff like Insomniac or Sleep Talk
balmy glen
What if they have 4 spore options
Win.
mighty stump
Damn
polar nest
does any1 have an indeedee set i can have? this is my first time using indeedee and idk how to build it
mighty stump
Which Indeedee
polar nest
female
autumn vault
female
Indeedee-F @ Psychic Seed
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Follow Me
- Psychic
- Trick Room
- Helping Hand
foggy lodge
https://pokepast.es/231f27dcba9af3d9 here is in pokepaste
mighty stump
Indeedee-F @ Psychic Seed
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy ...
Imagine no Helping Hand
fluid wind
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2146209525-x6kma9obea8jmd0u6wloun0t3wk53mopw i got sooo lucky at the end of this lol
autumn vault
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2146209525-x6kma9obea8jmd0u6w...
If you didn't say GG earlier then you would have won without luck
polar nest
Indeedee-F @ Psychic Seed
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy ...
thnks
altough i might put heal pulse on that
did i burneded it
autumn vault
You did
autumn vault
Why not just use them in seperate teams?
autumn vault
Thats a stupid reason
polar nest
which one
autumn vault
Both
polar nest
o ):
autumn vault
- Trust me, both in the same team is not a good idea
- You can just grind for the resources for two teams
autumn vault
Then build around it
autumn vault
Do not run Will-O-Wisp Chi-Yu, its meant to be offensive not supportive
autumn vault
Snarl or Overheat
polar nest
ok
graceful flare
Can dw necrozma learn lunalas signature move and it's own
charred saddle
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Ty...
@foggy lodge btw this is i think is tofu's spread. supposedly living tclap, moonblast and wild charge
dull ibex
https://pokepast.es/10cf9e8d8b566a14 ok i have the core
ice rider since this is trickroomy
chrome knot
lunala or necrozma dawn wings.
also wtf why doesnt armarouge OR indeedee have trick room
autumn vault
Those 3 are good options
chrome knot
holy these sets all suck bruh
pallid lance
Is it considered toxic to spam scale shot and encore with dragonite?
next stump
dragonite gets encore??
pallid lance
Yeah I fought one unless it's hacked somehow
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
chrome knot
yes
next stump
LOL that’s funny
chrome knot
not rly useful tho im ngl
pallid lance
I get that and charizard spamming whirlwind
next stump
the price of playing singles
pallid lance
not rly useful tho im ngl
It's bad if you get caught buffing not attacking first
autumn vault
Do not try Dragon Tail/Whirlwind/Roar strategies on Doubles
They're good in singles
But trash in doubles
pallid lance
I won't I'm just asking if it's considered toxic
autumn vault
Only used to counter Xerneas in previous formats
chrome knot
yeah bc im gonna on turn 1 click encore
mighty stump
Gonna Dragon Tail Xerneas can’t wait
pallid lance
yeah bc im gonna on turn 1 click encore
I mean it's as bad as suckerpunch turn one I guess
chrome knot
yup good comms tofu
chrome knot
I mean it's as bad as suckerpunch turn one I guess
what…
autumn vault
Not D-Tail
chrome knot
that is not the same at all
pallid lance
That's what I seen people using I don't know what to tell you
chrome knot
sucker punch changes the priority bracket so if im threatened of dying i can make myself go 1&2 instead of 1&3 where 2 is what kills me
pallid lance
It's not the same as it's an attack, but it's the same as a trying to counter
chrome knot
@mighty stump how do they keep just showing up here
mighty stump
Don’t worry about Encore Dnite
pallid lance
I'm talking about a first move thing you're talking about saving yourself after the battle
I killed encore dragonite I'm not worried about it
pallid lance
<@250386799363489808> how do they keep just showing up here<a:FukingDies:6943807...
Don't be condescending
mighty stump
Theres nothing really “considered toxic” if that’s a concern
Like at least setwise/gameplay wise
pallid lance
I mean minimize muk mud slap is kinda obnoxious 😅
autumn vault
I mean minimize muk mud slap is kinda obnoxious 😅
Mud Slap is shit
chrome knot
I'm talking about a first move thing you're talking about saving yourself after ...
(?)
pallid lance
If you got a move that can't miss they'll just lose though
mighty stump
Yeah but that’s just perspective really, you can probably dislike it but if that’s what people wanna use to win then
autumn vault
Don't get me wrong A-Muk isn't bad but it has better moves to run then Mud Slap
pallid lance
sucker punch changes the priority bracket so if im threatened of dying i can mak...
Threatened of dying- I'm talking about the first move you throw, that's about using something to save your pokémon from fainting not the first move thing. I'm just focused on what they throw at me first
pallid lance
Don't get me wrong A-Muk isn't bad but it has better moves to run then Mud Slap
I'm sure that's the only pokémon I know that has those two moves, and yeah. I'm just getting used to seeing what builds people been using vs me
chrome knot
if im trying to pickup a ko knowing im slower and can achieve it with sucker punch + an attack why would i not knowing the boardstate…?
you make it sound like turn 1 sucker punch should never be clicked lmfao
autumn vault
I'm sure that's the only pokémon I know that has those two moves, and yeah. I'm ...
Just copy movesets from pro players
pallid lance
you make it sound like turn 1 sucker punch should never be clicked lmfao
I don't think you understand what I'm talking about
autumn vault
Trust me if you want to copy your opponents then copy pro players
chrome knot
no bc yr waffling
autumn vault
Its worth it for new players
chrome knot
worried about probably the worst dragonite set possible
bold geode
Someone say waffles?
pallid lance
All I said was it seems as valid as encore - suckerpunch
pallid lance
Someone say waffles?
Idk maybe they're english
mighty stump
I think things are getting a bit out of hand
bold geode
Hey Tofu
pallid lance
Well I can just go I got as much talking about what I wanted to as I was looking for. Take it ez all
chrome knot
I think things are getting a bit out of hand
i dont think however did you see theres a vgc mario kart server now
mighty stump
i dont think however did you see theres a vgc mario kart server now
I did
autumn vault
Well I can just go I got as much talking about what I wanted to as I was looking...
Stop using supportive A-Muk
chrome knot
ehehehehe
autumn vault
Trust me if you want to use it then don't use support moves on it
chrome knot
tofu loook
bold geode
Oh Emma can you make fun of their chili for me?
chrome knot
what
bold geode
We hate on their chili, which is just really chili sauce
bold geode
All i see is stupidity
Well you're here so
bold geode
Wow he figured it out
Good job bud
bold geode
You made China No 3 Shrek Edition a thing
We moved on from that lmao
autumn vault
Yeah ik
bold geode
Way to make shit linger like a bad aroma
polar nest
my small brain cant handle a tr team
dull ibex
if its bulky balance then I have no idea what restricted you want
polar nest
i was thinking maybe da turtle
dull ibex
that works ig
bold geode
I mean Ice Rider works in Trick Room, just know it's like
You can attack
Depends on when Trick Room is best for you or not
polar nest
i dont like using the most meta crap
bold geode
Oh boy that team
polar nest
just cuz to me thats boring
polar nest
o
autumn vault
In fact, you can find the most success with meta teams
polar nest
but i want fun
autumn vault
Using them will give you the most success
polar nest
meta isnt super fun in my opinion
autumn vault
but i want fun
They are still fun
polar nest
yea, but i fear it would get way to samey, based on experiences from metas in other comp games
autumn vault
yea, but i fear it would get way to samey, based on experiences from metas in ot...
Being samey is not neccesarily a bad thing
autumn vault
You can use very good teams with your favourites
polar nest
and if i have a favorite thats meta ill use it
autumn vault
But you have to use Meta Mons with them
autumn vault
Raichu A isn't so good
polar nest
i enjoy it, and have decent success
bold geode
https://tenor.com/view/slide-escape-move-leave-quit-gif-10335123
Hello Mr Herbie
autumn vault
https://tenor.com/view/slide-escape-move-leave-quit-gif-10335123
Come back here
bold geode
@lofty tartan hey while I got ya here
We had the prizes lined up on your end for Friday? I've been busy and haven't had an actual chance to get a Caly
polar nest
https://tenor.com/view/slide-escape-move-leave-quit-gif-10335123
uhhh
bold geode
He disappeared
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
mighty stump
But you have to use Meta Mons with them
You can’t really convince people that aren’t looking to be convinced
If you wanna advise, just do your due diligence and leave it at that
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/8d3e61319d0166f4 looking at potential howl options (this is some of them), thought on these?
molten oasis
Yea, I’m aware
mighty stump
Lando-I is probably more relevant
molten oasis
We don’t like ground types
That’s not the team lol, it’s just options for howl im looking at
it’ll probably be gouging, but I still wanted to look at options
autumn vault
If you wanna advise, just do your due diligence and leave it at that
Yeah, you're right, i noticed that he was just another Brick Wall
molten oasis
I’ll probably be running peli/shifu
mighty stump
Yeah, you're right, i noticed that he was just another Brick Wall
No reason to insult people who want to play the way they want
Unless they’re rude, then do what u want lol
autumn vault
I did think that it was a bit rude
mighty stump
How so?
autumn vault
Calling them a Brick Wall
molten oasis
guess I’ll build smth with gouging then
mighty stump
Gouging or Scream Tail is probably best
I would almost consider just going for Protect on Gouging lol
chrome knot
tofu has any real teams come up recently in tours
charred saddle
substitute gouging fire 
molten oasis
substitute gouging fire <:bruh:1161176614944649236>
parting shot goes through that
molten oasis
just run protect
chrome knot
enjoy -6 atk
molten oasis
lmao
chrome knot
on a very neutral/attack boosted dependent mon
charred saddle
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/1477c903518a8ac3 variant 1
first thing i fight feeling this team out in bo1 is bullet seed rilla with tera fighting mudsdale
chrome knot
https://pokepast.es/1477c903518a8ac3 variant 1
when i be runnin
molten oasis
when i be runnin
lol
its to help the CIR mu
oh ok, the latios is tera fire
with tera blast
chrome knot
LOL
mighty stump
tofu has any real teams come up recently in tours
Idk i’ve ben busy
mighty stump
GOd I have to wake up early again to play pokemon
molten oasis
GOd I have to wake up early again to play pokemon
mighty stump
@chrome knot gib gothitelle spread i dont need to know what it does
mighty stump
u suc
molten oasis
lol
mighty stump
wheres that garbage spread I made the other day
autumn vault
Weird game
foggy lodge
I still don't know why they made Play Rough 90 accuracy
Moonblast has 95 BP and 100 accuracy lmao
molten oasis
idk
zac players just get to suffer with it
weirdly all my play roughs miss on urshifus
well, i think the concept works
mighty stump
Minimum is 50
zinc totem
yeah thats the vgc levels no?
mighty stump
Anything above will be set to 50
Thats for anything played in game
Singles 3v3 included
zinc totem
yeah had to make sure so i hit lvl 50 and not above for urshifu
as i will use it only for vgc unless becomes good for raid attacking haha
mighty stump
You don’t have to be exactly level 50
People level their mons for level up moves as well lol
It gets auto-set later anyways it could be level 73 or something
zinc totem
it learns all moves i need before 50 hehe
autumn vault
Toxic RSJesus
strange fjord
dont think there is a minimum level for VGC. all pokemon get set to level 50, whether its under or over
its just that Hyper Training can be done at level 50 or above
mighty stump
dont think there is a minimum level for VGC. all pokemon get set to level 50, wh...
Its not like SwSh anymore
Plus its for hyper training anyways
strange fjord
Its not like SwSh anymore
wait are you agreeing or disagreeing with what I said about the minimum level?
next stump
Twitter
upbeat quail
Okay so everyone knows about scarfed Tera ghost ditto in this format, but what about focus sash tera stellar ditto? That way you can safely copy an opposing caly Ice under trick room and speed tie
next stump
stellar isn’t great on ditto because if you switch out, you lose the ability to transform
so you’re coming back in as ditto
balmy glen
Yup
Although some people still run stellar with like safety goggles variants etc
Then just Tera whenever they feel it’s right
But being able to not switch is a pain
Also Tera ghost helps the mirror into Zam a lot more and some other mons
rustic mountain
wait wtf? stellar tera makes u lose ur ability on switch out for ditto?
strange fjord
yeah
rustic mountain
bold geode
https://x.com/kajashi42/status/1803423755600814427?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w
I'm still ass then 
craggy dagger
wait wtf? stellar tera makes u lose ur ability on switch out for ditto?
wha-
okay i didn’t know that
autumn vault
wait wtf? stellar tera makes u lose ur ability on switch out for ditto?
!?
Thats weird
strange fjord
well, guess more people just learned that now lol
forest arrow
I'm still ass then <:GengarSad:669500451795763209>
It honestly makes feel better about myself but hey babe
can you put in a paste pls?
lavish ivy
can anyone give some advice for my team, its a bit too long so i wanna put it into a doccument
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LFBKx20Fe4iaZ1-Q3G7txWpVQYr1CXHKy__o5d5fmDo/edit
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/4575328232e4b23c peli or bolt?
autumn vault
Pelipper, you would have a 3x ground weakness plus your MU into Groudon without Peli wouldn't be so good
bold geode
https://pokepast.es/4575328232e4b23c peli or bolt?
Depends honestly
I think Peli might SLIGHTLY be better due to just Sun, but Bolt is definitely an option here
Cuz in terms of sun, I'm only really worried about Koraidon here and Bolt ain't too bad there either so
molten oasis
Pelipper, you would have a 3x ground weakness plus your MU into Groudon without ...
Draco go brr
foggy lodge
can anyone give some advice for my team, its a bit too long so i wanna put it in...
Protect on Raging and Flutter Mane
The attack IVs of Flutter Raging and Amoonguss should be at 0
Well Raging at 20 IVs
Because it's impossible to have a Raging with less than 20 atk IVs
lavish ivy
Protect on Raging and Flutter Mane
remove protect?
foggy lodge
The rain dance on Torn is bad for your team as you are removing your own sun
lavish ivy
i noticed that flutter with choice specs protect is probably the worst play of all time btw so i know that jeeds to change
foggy lodge
remove protect?
Yes, AV doesn't allow you to use status moves
And choice specs protect explains itself
lavish ivy
Yes, AV doesn't allow you to use status moves
oh of course
i was thinking volt switch
foggy lodge
Also where are the teras
foggy lodge
i was thinking volt switch
Yeah, volt switch/tbolt/snarl are options
lavish ivy
Because it's impossible to have a Raging with less than 20 atk IVs
the iv stuff is for stuff like confusion right?
foggy lodge
Also foul play
lavish ivy
Also where are the teras
i dont really know what to do with them
foggy lodge
It's not mandatory, ideally have the 0 ivs atk at Flutter and Amoonguss but you can perfectly play with 1-15 ivs in atk with them
timber falcon
i feel like that flutter is way too bulky as specs
foggy lodge
Yeah
Ideally you should boost your speed w flutter, as you already have a big damage with choice specs
lavish ivy
It's not mandatory, ideally have the 0 ivs atk at Flutter and Amoonguss but you ...
is there any way other than chance and trial and error to try and make the iv 0? or as low as possible
lavish ivy
You would have to catch another Amoonguss or Flutter
alr thanks, i only got violet tho so ima have to trade
gentle cragBOT
alr thanks, i only got violet tho so ima have to trade
daniel0691 has given 1 Gen Rep to maxihd
next stump
don’t stress much about 0ATK flutter if you don’t own scarlet
it’s not worth losing sleep over
balmy glen
im lucky to have a jumbo 1atk shiny fluttermane
the judges have had a field day team checking me to make sure its legit lmao
bold geode
don’t stress much about 0ATK flutter if you don’t own scarlet
What about 0atk CSR
balmy glen
i mean i always recommend getting 1/0 atk on your special mons but its up to u
although annoying id rather have perfectly legit mons with perfect stats going into a regional I already pay a lot of money to compete in then to have scuffed stuff
like buying a new save file/game is the same as signups for regionals atp lmao
patent marsh
don’t stress much about 0ATK flutter if you don’t own scarlet
Me when the flutter raids happened and gigachads in #tera_raids found 0 atk ones
That was also shiny
next stump
if you’re just playing online ladder, i don’t think it’s worth as a newcomer grinding 0IV ATKs out. It might be relevant once in 50-100 games (more than before because grimm is around) but even that’s probably a high estimate
molten oasis
Depends honestly
I think Peli might SLIGHTLY be better due to just Sun, but Bol...
I’m struggling with tw stuff rn
Mostly Mirai and tornogre stuff
Inti groudon I wait for a Tera or hit it with bblade
bold geode
Ah
I'd look at Bolt then
Like Peli also good for TornOgre due to Wide Guard
molten oasis
Honestly
balmy glen
whats the team rn
balmy glen
dang ur only on untitled 39?!
idk abt bolt tbh seeing how ur teams weak to tera fairy draining kiss tapping
i think pelipper is fine for fixing the stuff your struggling with. If you still find yourself struggling with it you can ask me and I can prob think of some stuff to readjust
molten oasis
So
Based on that the stuff I have should be fine into Mirai whims, and just tw in general?
molten oasis
just leading zacian Rilla
Incin tends to scare me off leading Zac
But I’ll try that
molten oasis
Have you played with ground zacian at all?
No
Tofu was saying the stellar was good, so I haven’t bothered
Stellar boost helps damage wise
Also don’t love going weak to lance when in general I just struggle fighting ice rider
Or shifu
craggy dagger
water is an option
and also helps with post tera fire ice rider-
though you’d be weak to mirai so…
ig thats a problem
balmy glen
just spam wide guard
im friends with like all of the zacian players lmao
Grant and Ben F who was the suicune mist guy
Caly ice isnt usually something they struggle with lol
craggy dagger
i wanna try something with quick guard wide guard mienshao but i feel like it’s just a waste of a move slot
balmy glen
i mean i saw that early on in the reg seems kind of meh atm
we have the faster fake out anyways so idrk the point of quick guard
molten oasis
Caly ice isnt usually something they struggle with lol
I just don’t understand how to beat them
I don’t have practice with that mu
balmy glen
I just don’t understand how to beat them
what are they doing that gets them the win
molten oasis
In general
Tera fire to shut down Zac
Peli tends to be dead
Cuz I have no switchins
Or I miss positioned
Miss positioning is the main thing I think
molten oasis
im friends with like all of the zacian players lmao
May I ask what they do struggle with?
balmy glen
May I ask what they do struggle with?
ill ask rn. I dont remember them struggling with caly ice when prepping tho
molten oasis
Mk
rustic mountain
new adi vid on yt dropped 
molten oasis
Cool
craggy dagger
i think if caly doesn’t tera then you can deal with it easily-
though i’m not too sure what you’re running that pressures caly to be the tera
zinc totem
my vgc team doing pretty well. Bronadus best name tho
craggy dagger
gouging fire i think
though lance wont burn caly if it comes into contact with bulwark will it?
zinc totem
Why they RQ
molten oasis
i think if caly doesn’t tera then you can deal with it easily-
though i’m not to...
Correct
But they usually do
Also lance is not contact
And I’m not running bulwark atm
Also bblade pressures Tera
craggy dagger
mhm!
stellar tera is to hit SE no matter what though right?
except for the fact that stellar tera just-
lowers atk and Spa by one level every time you use it which sucks
zinc totem
any suggestion tera for lunala?
molten oasis
Fairy
zinc totem
was thinking either fairy or rock cuz meteor beam with power herb
craggy dagger
Notably
mm…
idt zacian gets that much coverage does it…
and that’d mean giving up protect…
or another move…
zinc totem
what is people opinion of eternatus in vgc?
molten oasis
mm…
idt zacian gets that much coverage does it…
and that’d mean giving up protec...
Yep
Zac gets fighting coverage but nothing it gets covers fire
Which is more common rn
spiral ridge
dig😭
craggy dagger
solar blade and moonblast…
ig zacian can also channel the power of the sun and moon
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
craggy dagger
zamazenta gets solar beam…
i wanna try something with that
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
craggy dagger
wait zamazenta gets metal burst
strange fjord
wait zamazenta gets metal burst
metal burst has neutral priority and if used before the opponent can attack, it fails.
tldr: you need a slow zama
craggy dagger
sash-
isn’t metal burst just steel type counter?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
craggy dagger
it’s counter + mirror coat in one move
strange fjord
no negative priority
craggy dagger
like comeuppance
strange fjord
exactly the same move but metal burst came out first
craggy dagger
oh no yeah
craggy dagger
exactly the same move but metal burst came out first
ik-
was just trying to remember the name
craggy dagger
awe
get some water and take it easy for the rest of the night
chrome knot
i gonna eat and then just
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
maybe ill practice for solarflare tomorrow idk yet
craggy dagger
rest first
pallid lance
How big a change does the meta go through from the last few games in pvp? Like was there a golden child that got nerfed too hard, or are they kind of consistent across each game?
Maybe there's one that was really good in the last game, but not even included to be used in the next game, but idk who the top used pokémon were lately
rustic mountain
generally pretty consistent i would say but even that can vary format to format, it depends
chrome knot
rest first
weeeee
I enjoyed hour nappy i so refreshed
im currently addicted to refrain by aimer tho
rustic mountain
different battle gimmicks can pave way to certain mons being more relevant then they otherwise would be like mega gengar, charizard nd venu gmax etc
nd even what the game is, different mons are allowed and depending on wen they are allowed, might not be as strong or meta relevant wen they are finally brought in dlc or otherwise
a lot of different factors id say, ontop of new mons introduced each gen that also can define or be apart of the meta
pallid lance
New moves introduced mix stuff up much? In shining pearl they had like exclusive moves only in that game, right?
I think I liked a few of those moves in it, and I doubt they'll come back in a future game. I think they were just for map traversal
But still strong if I recall. Idk about strong for pvp though
rustic mountain
new moves as well idk wat moves u mean for bdsp but idt any were relevant for vgc. there were new moves in like swsh/pla etc but a lot of the times its tied to specific mons
theyve done move tutors in past gens, this gen iirc was just tms that got added in
also ofc sv also has had some mons w/ their own moves as well
got patricks cir team paste, gna start another climb to top 500 w/ it on an alt 
balmy glen
Zac gets fighting coverage but nothing it gets covers fire
With their variant they said Groudon/Koraidon
lofty tartan
Saw someone in here commenting on a Flutter spread from earlier saying it should be speed boosting
148/0/236/116/4/4 timid is speed boosting specs Flutter. Sp Attack is 170 and Speed is 171
mighty stump
new moves as well idk wat moves u mean for bdsp but idt any were relevant for vg...
Body Press Zama
zinc totem
omg i see in pvp website pokemons lol
cyan smelt
Idk why they didn't make behemoth bash based on its def stat
balmy glen
makes sense I hate this format so much
mighty stump
I think I have yet to actually hate a format
balmy glen
tbh i just hate the end of every format
mighty stump
. . . It's been 3 months of Reg G already?
balmy glen
i consider the end of every format to be the prep towars the last tour
foggy lodge
Saw someone in here commenting on a Flutter spread from earlier saying it should...
ayo wtf