competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

ok, guess toilet bird it is

[timber falcon]

looking good

the miraidons name fits the situation so well lul

[molten oasis]

https://pokebin.com/b796a6b3f263e600 well, here's the next thing im doing

[solid frigate]

Iron Serpent just don't know what to expect

[timber falcon]

pelliper is very nice

[timber falcon]

does jugulis not worry about FO?

for a tw setter

its also for some reason holding a booster energy

[molten oasis]

wha

shit, its supposed to be cloak

[timber falcon]

yeah thats better

omfg

[molten oasis]

2 annihilapes in a row

[timber falcon]

then the sabeleye had an eject pack and dipped

[solid frigate]

yep-

[timber falcon]

sending in guess WHO

[willow vault]

Are they using final gambit?

[molten oasis]

one did

the other was bulk up

[timber falcon]

THE DAMN SHADOW HORSE

ive never been more enraged at a strat except for the leki one

[molten oasis]

i lost to the final gambit one not expecting it

[timber falcon]

its so hard to expect stuff nowadays

look at this shit

tera electric, HH leki

[solid frigate]

yep- PTSD

[timber falcon]

then they spammed decorate

[molten oasis]

low elo sucks

[solid frigate]

F

[timber falcon]

it was 1400 which makes it worse

[bold geode]

Brother why

[molten oasis]

idk

[bold geode]

I will say it
Annihilape is like
Basically done for
That is unless Chance Hinds finds a way

[willow vault]

Anyone have an a9 set?

[molten oasis]

wow

[timber falcon]

i just 2HKOd a rillaboom

[molten oasis]

1-4, idk about this

[timber falcon]

with rillaboom

[solid frigate]

Arcanine or Alolan Nine?

[willow vault]

Alolan ninetales

[solid frigate]

Haze (Ninetales-Alola) @ Light Clay
Ability: Snow Warning
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 84 HP / 132 Def / 84 SpA / 4 SpD / 204 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Blizzard
• Moonblast
• Aurora Veil
• Helping Hand

Here is Alolan Ninetales one

[willow vault]

Thanks

[solid frigate]

also yes i name it Haze

[molten oasis]

i hate this

[solid frigate]

What happended

[molten oasis]

this team feels like shit thats what happened

[solid frigate]

oh-

[molten oasis]

2 groudon teams and i jsut lose to overwhelming offensive pressure

and cant do anything back

[solid frigate]

sad

[timber falcon]

pelliper though

it does have a water move right?

[molten oasis]

does not apply any offensive pressure

[timber falcon]

Pretty sure it OHKOs Groudon in rain though right?

[molten oasis]

im not able to get into that position

its always dead first

[timber falcon]

Oh

Then maybe torn?

Cause I see one mon in the team that actually helps miraidon set up and it’s incin

[willow vault]

Thanks I’ve copied it

[gentle crag]

crephace has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[timber falcon]

I think a very important thing when making set up mons is “what’s gonna let me be able to set up”

[molten oasis]

...

[timber falcon]

All u have is incin, which they both die to ground

[willow vault]

I would say redirection from Ogerpon is also valuable

[timber falcon]

Ik but if Groudon is the main issue then that doesn’t work

And he has waterpon there

What Groudon hates the most is weather changing and walking wake I’d say

[mighty stump]

Once you force Groudon to Tera you can hit it with Electro Drift pretty freely

[molten oasis]

now im losing to crits, awesome

[mighty stump]

Bundle also works in that regard to just force a Tera

[timber falcon]

I think for now u should stop using the team and rethink your struggles

You test to see what’s wrong and consistently wrong, then attempt to fix it

[molten oasis]

lost to another crit

[mighty stump]

send replay

[molten oasis]

its already gone ill send the next one

[timber falcon]

Also wouldn’t advise playing with a team that you know is flawed and how its flawed, brings down ur mood and will to keep the team, it does for me at least

[molten oasis]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2105584436 here

[mighty stump]

Questionable

[timber falcon]

Should’ve been the safe protect

[mighty stump]

Also questionable

[timber falcon]

Protecting miraidon there way questionable? I mean they wouldn’t let u get a SE for free in most cases, especially if it was gonna Ko

[mighty stump]

What do you think is the better play lol

[timber falcon]

I wouldn’t scouted with protect but It may be wrong somehow?

Wouldve*

[mighty stump]

How long did Miraidon sit in front of a Ground type when we had a Flying type in the back

oh, two flying types

[timber falcon]

Yeah

[mighty stump]

Why did it take this long for Ting-Lu to die to Ogerpon?

[timber falcon]

He was tryna regen with horn leech

Nvm he went for flutter that one turn

[mighty stump]

A ton of missed KOs

[molten oasis]

im clearly not playing well

[timber falcon]

Yeah, take a break for now

[molten oasis]

i did not deserve that

i should have lost

[timber falcon]

YOU WON?

Very nice

[molten oasis]

not really

i played terribly

[timber falcon]

A win is a win

[molten oasis]

that didnt feel good at all

[mighty stump]

Target prioritisation needs work.

[mighty stump]

✖️

[timber falcon]

Guess it’s just me

[mighty stump]

Also

[chrome knot]

tofu

[mighty stump]

It looked like you just played to click buttons in front of you rather than actually identifying a win-con and clearing the board for it

[molten oasis]

that win wasn't deserved

[molten oasis]

im tired and kind of annoyed

[chrome knot]

wait eat

[mighty stump]

Then stop playing

[chrome knot]

jesus

big words on my screen

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2105536420-qz3yusv125thjvg2nxg44va4iez0xwlpw

[timber falcon]

Oh this is cool

[molten oasis]

k, ill go back on break

[timber falcon]

Liligant torkoal brings me so much competitive nostalgia

[molten oasis]

ik im gonna come back and not play well so might as well

[mighty stump]

Good Magic Bounce, although I don't like you eating that Meteor Beam for free

[molten oasis]

been playing like this since i came back

[chrome knot]

aint even gonna hold you i forgot that was usually in its set

[mighty stump]

Lmao

[mighty stump]

I think theres some work to be done with playing more mindfully. You can still progress even if you only play like 3 games a day

Better to have 3 productive games rather than 10 pointless ones

[molten oasis]

i fail to understand how tf i took sets off of you

[torn parrot]

Tofu can I eat you

[molten oasis]

and then play like that

[mighty stump]

Cause you don't play with the same mindset in ladder vs against me

If I play against anyone low elo or otherwise or a friend i'm always locking in lmao

[molten oasis]

thats, yea thats probably a part of it

[autumn vault]

Damn now you are back to lurking

[molten oasis]

not playing zac, so

[mighty stump]

]

[molten oasis]

at least not rn

man just, i also just, idk

im not sure what i want to be doing rn

with teams

or who i want to focus

after break maybe ill figure something out i need to go eat lunch anyway

Hopefully

[torn parrot]

Enjoy your meal

[mighty stump]

Also probably stop putting so much pressure on yourself

It's a process; you're tryna skip to the good part here

[autumn vault]

Enjoy it, you deserve it

[molten oasis]

What part exactly?

[mighty stump]

A complete team that functions all the way to high elo

Imo, if you don't have fun trying to figure out what's wrong with the team like a puzzle I think you might not be cut out to be a builder

[molten oasis]

that’s awesome back to rentals

I already don’t built half my own teams so what’s the point

[mighty stump]

I mean

I'm just saying, if you don't enjoy the process lol

Might as well just wait til Regional-level events ++ happen or take teams from Limitless tours

I never said "stop building teams"

[molten oasis]

If I’m not cut out why should I

[mighty stump]

So, the logic isn't to work on it and your approach but to give up?

I mean, each their own I suppose

[molten oasis]

No, sorry, idk HOW to make that fun

I fish for finding things that work and then end up relying on others for it

I don’t sit and do it myself ever

[mighty stump]

I mean the process includes collaborating. Barely anyone builds teams alone

It doesn't mean "others are building teams" for you

Cause if that's the case then i've practically built every team in this channel

[molten oasis]

…yea

I probably need to change perspective if anything

Not that I really know how

[bold geode]

OTS also plays a big part in it
Most the time in BO1 ladder, it's CTS so the way you play is a little different

[autumn vault]

In tournaments it is OTS but in cart ladder it is CTS

[molten oasis]

I find teambuilding more fun when I get to play with niche shit

I can’t do really do that rn

Cuz idk what the meta is

Fully

[autumn vault]

I am having a ton of fun with Zekrom, there are niche options but there is no way to track usage 24/7 with pikalytics and other stuff that usually analyze usage

[molten oasis]

Ik, yiu did not watch me play the worst match I’ve had in a while that I 10000% should not have won

[autumn vault]

So it is a little harder to know

[molten oasis]

Mm, I don’t understand how I’m supposed to make it fun

I’ve always thought playing was the whole fun part

[mighty stump]

I find building and talking about it more fun

I like seeing the data

I like seeing the puzzle pieces fit and the pieces interact

every new point you solve opens up another point of weakness to solve

its like the worlds best logic puzzle

[molten oasis]

I see

So it’s a puzzle to figure out how tf to beat groudon teams

[timber falcon]

Lol

Being real, it’s so hard to get a nice SE hit against that mon

[molten oasis]

K, I’ll try plugging in a “puzzle” perspective

Later

[bold geode]

We all have those

[molten oasis]

Yea but that’s been me the past few days

[timber falcon]

Puzzle ❌ breaking down cause of shitty MUs ✅

[molten oasis]

I want to break off of that mindset

[mighty stump]

Well it might not help if you don't like puzzles in the first place lol

[timber falcon]

Literally on my 6th zama team cause I can’t find the perfect one for me

I like puzzles

[mighty stump]

Like obviously this is just my perspective

[molten oasis]

I like puzzles

[timber falcon]

I just forget that some mons exist

[molten oasis]

I’ve never thought of it that way

[timber falcon]

Mons that would help,me at least

[autumn vault]

This is from Tofu's blog

[molten oasis]

I don’t play a lot of puzzle games but I do like problem solving

[mighty stump]

It's important to like

[molten oasis]

Dude, that’s not the point

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah this help’s actually

[mighty stump]

Treat things overall as a blank slate in your approach

For me, since im in the medical field, every new case is a blank slate

So i'm very much used to weighing the same ddx different each time depending on the context

[molten oasis]

So I need to treat a miraidon team and a zacian team like new things?

[mighty stump]

So if you treat things contextually as well and be open to certain likelihoods its like you never run out of options to consider

[timber falcon]

That’s a very interesting perspective, quite different to mine

[mighty stump]

Take the good parts of every team, take the interactions, and only those really

[timber falcon]

I’m thinking what they can do to ME not what I can do back, it’s a problem sometimes

[mighty stump]

Like

Example wise, playing with the Rayquaza team gave me different perspectives on Farigiraf + 1 interactions

This can inform my next future processes when teambuilding

I'm always building upon previous experiences that I know are relevant

Sometimes the answers a team will have to the same matchup will be different

[timber falcon]

In short, try new things

For a better perspective

[mighty stump]

in short, try new things, understand them, carry on

[autumn vault]

🟦 Doing IRL stuff when i have to
🟥 Listen to Tofu's advice on comp that wont even be that helpful outside of the main thing
Me:

[mighty stump]

by understanding the interactions its neither "good" nor "bad"

[timber falcon]

I struggle with this, the new things part

[mighty stump]

IT's information, and more information means a better judged call

[molten oasis]

Just, for example, cuz I try to put things together to help things click in my head, keep in mind my mu ti groudon, take the knowledge I have in the past and apply it to a new team but nothing else (along with other important interactions)

[timber falcon]

Im a quite defensive person, in arguments, Pokemon and in sports. I don’t like to start things

[molten oasis]

Wow I can’t English today

[timber falcon]

Therefore I suck at mons like caly-s

[mighty stump]

Like easiest example is also like "damn, this shit didnt work" on a team

That doesn't mean it won't work in the future/future teams

[molten oasis]

Ah, so like the pelipper that feels kinda bad rn

[autumn vault]

This is true, but i remember when i lost so much with sand, the next day after seeking your (and other's) advice, all of a sudden i start winning more than i remember the day before

[mighty stump]

Hydreigon worked in Regulation A cause we didn't have stuff like Flutter Mane, once Flutter Mane was around before the Ruin mons we had certain team archetypes

[molten oasis]

tbf I piloted pretty terribly

[mighty stump]

Then when the Ruins mons came along

[autumn vault]

Hydreigon became shit

[mighty stump]

Orthworm was suddenly top cutting regionals despite never having previous performances

[molten oasis]

Fari in reg f

[timber falcon]

how does one get better at using different type of teams/mons, I’m not exactly experienced with HO

[mighty stump]

Or even take for example recent Reg F shifts

[molten oasis]

Similar situation

Bloodmoon as well

[mighty stump]

Farigiraf suddenly skyrocketing and becomoing a true staple to teams to come, Single-Strike Urshifu almost dominating the metagame after Ogerpon-Wellspring arrived then shifting back down, but is not a definite option on peoples radars afterwards

Pelipper still existing within the metagame with the introduction of Archaludon

[timber falcon]

If anyone could answer this, I just can’t seem to not use bulky mons and play HO

[mighty stump]

Mienshao suddenly being a thing because of Restricted format

[molten oasis]

New pieces fit the puzzle

[timber falcon]

I may be yapping here, but I genuinely want to know how people manage to use different Play style to what their used to

[molten oasis]

I’m just not gonna speak on that subject

[timber falcon]

Is it just playing tons of games? Building the team Yourself? Idk what to do

[mighty stump]

Uh

Idk, things just make sense to me lol

[timber falcon]

[mighty stump]

I guess it's part of that whole "understanding" concept. I just know what the goals of the different pokemon are for and how they apply to different situations

[timber falcon]

So for a mon like caly-s and it’s team mates the goal would be to allow it to sweep

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 781: Dhelmise

Types

Ghost/Grass

Abilities

Steelworker

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/131/100/86/90/40

Total

517

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[mighty stump]

Soz im just playing PokeRogue

[molten oasis]

What are you cooking

Oh lol

[dapper crag]

Ability: Steelworker

This Pokemon's offensive stat is multiplied by 1.5 while using a Steel-type attack.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[autumn vault]

Not too bad but could be much better

[molten oasis]

Oh, steel stab

That’s cool

[autumn vault]

It is

[timber falcon]

Never heard of pokerouge, is it fan made?

[autumn vault]

Anyways, what restricted should i teambuild around?

I have done: Zekrom, Zamazenta, Calyrex-ice, Koraidon

[timber falcon]

Whatever you feel that can work

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/calyrex-ghost-calyrex-shadow-rider-astral-barrage-pokemon-gif-12499362770308053912

[mighty stump]

Basically its a neverending Pokemon Roguelike

[autumn vault]

Except Calyrex

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/groudon-pokemon-standing-number1hat-gif-17592990

[timber falcon]

So infinite sets ?

[mighty stump]

and levels

[timber falcon]

Oh ok

[molten oasis]

Playing a card game rouge like rn

One of my favorite games ever

[autumn vault]

I already made a team with Koraidon so maybe not Groudon, a bit tempted to go with it but i already made a great sun team

[molten oasis]

Anyway, I’ll give that miraidon team a shot with a different perspective

Today

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

[timber falcon]

Welp ima go and try make a new caly-s team using newfound confidence cya guys for now

[autumn vault]

Sure why not

[autumn vault]

Bye OTOT

[mighty stump]

At the end of the day its a game guys, try to have fun lol

[molten oasis]

Fair

[timber falcon]

I need help

What kind of set are calys running these days

[autumn vault]

Of course

[autumn vault]

Life Orb 252/252/4 tera fighting/fairy

In a nutshell

[timber falcon]

Oki doki, thanks

Btw it’s modest right

[autumn vault]

Timid

[timber falcon]

Ok

[autumn vault]

I am just going to to this with tornadus, rn i need to catch up on irl stuff

[molten oasis]

Ok

[torn parrot]

i inched a little further
to rank 73

but i think iv reached the cap that i can climb consistently at rn where the ladder is

i think if i played more with this alt it would just be coinflip games

[mighty stump]

Nice

[torn parrot]

thank u fam

[autumn vault]

Earned my respect

[timber falcon]

Yeah so confidence was what I was missing

Winning 5th game in a row, I am happy again

With only 5 members

[torn parrot]

wtf

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2105650776 The match itself

[torn parrot]

is that an add on??

[autumn vault]

It is a setting

[torn parrot]

or a setting on shwodown?

[autumn vault]

Is it the BW sprites?

If it is, it's a setting

[timber falcon]

It is a setting

[torn parrot]

holy shit that seems way better asthetically
im tired of mix of 3d and 2d sprites

[autumn vault]

Where it is

[torn parrot]

id rather have all one or the other

ima turn that shit on fr

i cant watch replays in that style right?

[autumn vault]

Nope

Main reason why i switched models:

I get Badass Zekrom

[torn parrot]

thats sad

im switching to that

way better

i value consistency in my sprites

[molten oasis]

I think right now

Calm mind isn’t it

I like it in concept

In execution I don’t really find myself in situations where I can click it and when I do it doesn’t feel like it didn’t anything

Think I’m gonna switch to a LORB set

[torn parrot]

if its something like turtle

i only feel like i need one to get started

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2105656165 The match

[torn parrot]

honetsly the clam mind ones arnt even as scary to me as literally just the unga bunga choice specs or weakness policy ones

[autumn vault]

I have made it to 1300 elo with zekrom

[torn parrot]

hell yeah king

physical miraidon strikes again

[autumn vault]

And the same match i got 1300 elo, i faced a psyspam calyrex shadow team

Let's just say that they're psychic terrain worked against them

[torn parrot]

i bet zekrom reshiram would be a fun little gimick combo in double restricted

[autumn vault]

I like the sound of that

And they are both great partners to chien pao

Not reshiram i meant rayquaza

[torn parrot]

i mmeant to zay reshiram mb lol

just ebcause of this gimick move

they bove have em

[autumn vault]

they are both weak to ground
Reshiram counters the grass that wall zekrom's electric STAB along with steel and ice being annoying to dragon types moves
Zekrom counters the water types that are annoying to Reshiram along with flying types and Tornadus will carry rain most of the time

[torn parrot]

yeah but the gimmickkkkk

[autumn vault]

200 bp move, got it

[torn parrot]

its stylish

[molten oasis]

Yea this does not work

[autumn vault]

Attacking your own pokemon has only ever been used incredibly smart plays and blocking status
But here, i can get a free ohko
But the expense is not worth it

[torn parrot]

):

[molten oasis]

Like in theory I’m fine into things like caly

[autumn vault]

I can get a KO and damage the partner on the opponent

[molten oasis]

But the I don’t do damage to it and it’s so easy for them to snowball

[torn parrot]

i dont think its seriously viable just fun but also i dont think you activate it by atatcking yourself

[autumn vault]

But i need to calc when it barely takes damage

I can do it with the kyurems as well

[torn parrot]

you could
les damage tho

wait

oh yeah

one is kyrem one is normal guy

[autumn vault]

Sorry, it is not viable, it is a gimmick at best

[torn parrot]

thas what i said

[autumn vault]

And i am the same person that thinks Zekrom is very good

[torn parrot]

i wonder if theres a special animation in game for it

[autumn vault]

In gen 5 the attack releases a shock wave (pun intended) that is either blue or red

[torn parrot]

interesting

cool

[autumn vault]

It is the only difference from the normal attack outside of doubling BP

[unkempt flax]

What’s the best flutter build rn

[autumn vault]

Stupid Towel (Flutter Mane) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 204 HP / 132 Def / 36 SpA / 4 SpD / 132 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Moonblast
• Dazzling Gleam
• Thunderbolt
  For the specs set i use this

[unkempt flax]

I am not exactly worried about Calyrex shadow, since I have more then enough answers into it, so just the basic specs build?

[unkempt flax]

Thank you

[gentle crag]

techpug has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[autumn vault]

If you want to go ahead, my spread does survive very strong hits that are very important and it is better

[torn parrot]

the bulk seems nice

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider Glacial Lance vs. 204 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane: 130-154 (83.3 - 98.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 204 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane in Rain: 135-159 (86.5 - 101.9%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Turboblaze Kyurem-White Blizzard vs. 204 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane: 109-129 (69.8 - 82.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Sword of Ruin Tera-Stellar Chien-Pao Sucker Punch (1st Use) vs. 204 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane: 132-156 (84.6 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Miracle Seed Tera-Grass Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 204 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane in Grassy Terrain: 136-162 (87.1 - 103.8%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

[torn parrot]

living lance is pretty cool

[autumn vault]

Why i chunked so much defense investment into it

Also 55/55 should not live a 165+ 120 bp move but it does

[torn parrot]

this mf is going crazy with trapinch

wild stuff

[timber falcon]

lol

[pearl wind]

such a silly pokemon

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

Ngl feels weird seeing Woody tower over a human when in his universe he is a toy and they are very small

[bold geode]

How do I play this?

[mighty stump]

go to the website lol

pokerogue.net

its playable on mobile as well

[bold geode]

Oh shit pog

[autumn vault]

I am tempted to play it, thought it was a mod but no, it is a website

[molten oasis]

So apparently

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2105693557-sip2n2ht8ekfavrhy98bgsz03wshkylpw +4 dengo ohkos torkoal

Which I thought didn’t Ohko

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 324: Torkoal

Type

Fire

Abilities

White Smoke, Drought, Shell Armor (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/85/140/85/70/20

Total

470

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna go check calcs

[autumn vault]

Not surprised +4 ohko's it

[bold geode]

A restricted number just called me, why the fuck is Groudon calling my ass

[molten oasis]

+4 116+ SpA Metal Coat Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Torkoal: 183-216 (103.3 - 122%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/call-peta-gif-12042022242327684927

Groudon before:

[molten oasis]

That’s funny

I’m learning I really like gholdengo (no surprise)

[bold geode]

Guys I really like Incineroar

[bold geode]

Me AF

[molten oasis]

Who pinged me

I saw a ping

[bold geode]

Lycopoky deleted it

[molten oasis]

What did you delete

[autumn vault]

Me, i said you liked the Gholdengo fuck you art before

[molten oasis]

Oh, yea that’s my favorite piece of art in vgc

[autumn vault]

And i also said that i knew you like ghold

[bold geode]

Yeah, you didn't have to delete it lmao

[autumn vault]

you know, this

[molten oasis]

I did this to that guy a minute ago

[bold geode]

My Gholdengo looks weird

[molten oasis]

Ok, kill me

[autumn vault]

[autumn vault]

Ok you hate Drago man

[molten oasis]

Zama loooooves seeing gholdengo

[patent marsh]

💀

[autumn vault]

Zamazenta loves battling Gholdengo so much it dies because of how much it beats it up

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

I think I got the half off Gholdengo

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-toy-story-nodding-smile-and-nod-gif-11730982

[molten oasis]

Generally I think, I don’t really like miraidon

Just, doesn’t feel great

Jugulis is also not great

[bold geode]

You play Violet
Fucking traitor

[molten oasis]

Pelipper is ok, I like wide guard and weather control tho so I might keep it in mind

[autumn vault]

I play scarlet, not a traitor right?

[molten oasis]

Why do you care you hate it

[bold geode]

Yuck Koraidon

[molten oasis]

[autumn vault]

Koraidon >>>

[bold geode]

Never said I did lmao

[bold geode]

Groudon better

[molten oasis]

Seemed like you hated it earlier

Also calm mind, does not work

[autumn vault]

Koraidon >>>

[bold geode]

Nah just fuck bikes

Bike is short for Bichael

[molten oasis]

I ride a bike 3 times a week

[bold geode]

Well fuck your bike

[molten oasis]

Cuz I can’t drive and don’t really wanna learn how/pay for a fucking car

[autumn vault]

Fuck your opinion, 🚲🚲🚲 > opinion

[molten oasis]

Ok what, wait

[patent marsh]

What if I play both

[molten oasis]

So I took a quiz today right

I’m sleep deprived and didn’t study much so I though I was gonna fail

[autumn vault]

ok

[molten oasis]

I got 95% on it, my question is fucking how

[bold geode]

Split down the middle

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/jackie-chan-meme-what-confused-huh-gif-9211712295268335918

[patent marsh]

Driving test quiz is ez since it's mostly basic common sense

[molten oasis]

Seems like I can really spit anything out and it’ll work

We do multiple choice that I just tend to logic out and then essay questions

[patent marsh]

I got perfect score on mine and I didn't read the dumb book they told us to

[autumn vault]

My average grade on English for many years without studying (i dont live in an english country, ez):

[molten oasis]

Oh I’ve never read the book in my class

[bold geode]

Yet I got it wrong when I said "haha gas pedal go brr"

[molten oasis]

I read it once

[patent marsh]

Yea it's pointless

[molten oasis]

Then realized, if I show up to the fucking lectures I’m fine

[patent marsh]

Cause it's all mostly basic common sense stuff

[bold geode]

Gas pedal go brr is common sense

[patent marsh]

Unless your family don't drive a car

[molten oasis]

So from now on I’m not buying the books unless I need to

[patent marsh]

Then joever

[bold geode]

Go until the road awards you with disco lights

[molten oasis]

Huh

[autumn vault]

So you have a good memory? I wish i could remember life related things well, my knowledge on pokemon occupies most of the space in my brain

[patent marsh]

I got my international license on my first try 🛌

[molten oasis]

Yes

[bold geode]

If you go 20 miles over the speed limit, the road will give you a free rave party

[molten oasis]

I have a pretty good memory

[bold geode]

Life hack

[molten oasis]

Which is good and bad

Cuz I wish I could forget about starting college

No jk, it’s mostly good, just some bad things from my past pop up sometimes

[bold geode]

I wish I could forget my dream last night

[molten oasis]

I miss clicked fuck

[autumn vault]

Relatable

I also have a good memory but that is an issue

[bold geode]

I can't talk about my dream here though so

[molten oasis]

Ah, graphic

cough ANYWAY I’m gonna go experiment with other restricteds to use with dengo

[patent marsh]

[autumn vault]

Good Luck

[molten oasis]

Idk what it is I just, I love gholdengo

He’s the goat

[torn parrot]

I wonder what reg G would be like if xerneas was here

[patent marsh]

Tera would be so cringe with it

Makes sense why aura trio and tapus got specifically omitted from gen 9

[molten oasis]

I’m guessing you’d have to run a steel type

And a dark type

Or something to stop Geomancy from going up

[patent marsh]

You could also ball and go tera fairy and literally be a walking nuke

[molten oasis]

Kingambit stonks

hmm

https://pokepast.es/481c84106497cad9

Maybe with kyurem and a9?

Then torn or smth

[torn parrot]

Xerneas with tera ))):

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/ccb8cfd5ce23b1ab

So, I want to add some kind of speed control on here but idk what works, torn overlaps rocks too much so I’d prefer something else

[craggy dagger]

what’re we cooking :0

[molten oasis]

I’m playing dengo

Cuz it’s the goat (I like how it plays)

[foggy lodge]

Anyone knows the regional where a skeledirge team appeared?

[molten oasis]

Uhm

Probably the one from a few weeks ago

The one before Orlando

[foggy lodge]

I found it

It was the vancouver regional

[autumn vault]

Interesting

[chrome knot]

Orlando & Vancouver with Dylan Salvanera

[molten oasis]

Neat

[craggy dagger]

vancouver yeah

i was there for that :0

[potent stratus]

how good/bad are players in ranked at the lower levels?

[next stump]

objectively speaking they’re bad, but it all depends on your skill level relative to them

[potent stratus]

ive never played comp, interested in trying it out. would try and do some decent research, team building, ev training etc.. but I dont have a ton of time.

[rustic mountain]

well there is a ton of resources for vgc

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

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Command triggered by treeco.. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[rustic mountain]

it is a time sink though and the learning curve is steep

not that u gta rush to being good but yea

[potent stratus]

I guess what I'm mostly wondering is... if I go into ranked and I'm at the bottom will I lose basically every match? do people still tryhard at lower ranks?

[next stump]

There’s a mix of people using serious teams and for fun teams

[rustic mountain]

i mean depends on ur knowledge/basic fundamentals going into playing

if u have no idea wat ur doing and are using some random 6 then yea

[next stump]

If you’re using good pokémon and think while you play, you’ll probably be able to win some games

[potent stratus]

No, wouldnt do that. I'd put some effort in, and would try and use more meta stuff

I just don't have tons of time

[rustic mountain]

i would just try watching players like cybertron who are linked above and try and get a baseline understanding first, then u can just grab a rental team start playing and just learn from experience

or hit sd and practice on ladder there

[chrome knot]

dillon i found the secret to reg g

[next stump]

what is it

[chrome knot]

do the exact same as F just add an ice horse :|

[rustic mountain]

[chrome knot]

oh and replace arma with hatterene

its her turn on the xbox

[rustic mountain]

[potent stratus]

when you go to rental teams in game is there a list of ones available? or do you have to find codes?

tried using it a few days ago and it was just a blank screen and wanted me to input a code

[rustic mountain]

people post codes

[next stump]

i’ve been rocking ice horse too i really enjoy it

[chrome knot]

its fun af

[rustic mountain]

yea ud input someones rental code that they provide

[chrome knot]

tho its prob better with amoonguss incin p2/farig core than it is on psyspam

[potent stratus]

through the actual game theres codes posted?? or do you mean on discord

[rustic mountain]

well twitter, yt

i mean someone could post those via discord but generally there posted on 1 of those

[brazen bough]

I wanna build a screens team out of it

[potent stratus]

okay so I cant find a team on the actual game is what I'm wondering

[brazen bough]

And terapagos too many choices

[next stump]

yeah I’ve been using rilla/amoong, incin, farig, caly, urshifu-R, and a rotating 6th

currently on bloodmoon but it hasn’t felt flawless

[chrome knot]

icic

[brazen bough]

Im surprised terapagos is so fast

But i need to lock in a mon because im actually grinding this format

[solid frigate]

its 85,i would say is middling speed

[brazen bough]

Well its fast for how it looks

[rustic mountain]

vikavolt moment

[brazen bough]

Im stuck between kyogre groudon terapagos and caly ice

[torn parrot]

Those restricted stats gotta go somewhere

[rustic mountain]

purugly moment

[brazen bough]

Idm which one

[solid frigate]

I mean Blastoise is 78 Speed

[solid frigate]

imma make that meme

[rustic mountain]

u can u need to get a code tho to access the rental

[brazen bough]

Ill probably just use one of tofus teams

And build off of it for the format

[rustic mountain]

jus use one and hit the ladder

[brazen bough]

And try mixing in smeargle

[potent stratus]

yea but it didnt seem like there was a list of teams available in the actual game. unless I was doing something wrong

[brazen bough]

Smeargle i hear is really good rn

[rustic mountain]

idk how else to explain u need to obtain the rental code from places like twitter or youtube where players post them. it then gives u access to the rental team wen u input the code thats provided

like in game

use cybertrons page as the template

he provides a code in every video

[potent stratus]

yea I understand

[rustic mountain]

[potent stratus]

I just assumed when i went to try it that there would be a list of available teams in game

and you wouldnt have to go to third party sites to get them

[rustic mountain]

nah doesnt work like that afaik. i honestly jus rebuild teams anyway even if i yoink em so im not 100% on the rental layout

but from my understanding u need the code to get access otherwise u cant get the team

[rustic mountain]

welcome to pokemon

[potent stratus]

okay, thanks

[rustic mountain]

np

[potent stratus]

LMAO

yea....

[rustic mountain]

seriously tho theres so many third party sites community driven that exist to provide holes the game leaves

serebii/bulbapedia/pikalytics etc

oh also this server has #rental_teams

[polar canyon]

What speed does ogerpon wanna hit?

I found the bulk I want

[mighty stump]

Wellspring wants jolly 188

[polar canyon]

Hearthflame?

There's not too much I need it to survive so I think I can have it be pretty offensive

Surviving specs astral barrage

Groudon heat crash

[rustic mountain]

generally hearthflame is just max speed max atk, jus maximizing its offensive capabilities. theres probably some teams that gave it some more bulk but idk how effective theyd be for reg g format

[molten oasis]

So uhm

https://pokepast.es/f824a02eef22ae9e tried these 3 with snow and wasn’t too fond of it, you guys have any ideas on restricteds/other members to run with it?

[solid frigate]

so Kyurems are out of the question

[cyan smelt]

How about caly i

[molten oasis]

Yea, i am sleep deprived so it could just be that but it didnt feel good

no, fuck the horses

i want to use the others before having to resort to using the calys

[solid frigate]

i wanna say Palkia but then you have Ogerpon and Dengo.... and Kyogre idk

[molten oasis]

im willing to try palkia

depends on what it gets tho

[polar canyon]

Hydro miss

[solid frigate]

Wait you can spam surf

Wellspring Pon can heal

with Water Absorb

[polar canyon]

And if you don't have ogerpon out you can't

Of course you can opt for the less popular option

Chilling water

Don't forget water pulse

[solid frigate]

RIP Scald

[dapper crag]

Palkia's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Cut, Dive, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Dual Wingbeat, Earthquake, Facade, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Heavy Slam, Liquidation, Natural Gift, Outrage, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Scale Shot, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Slash, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Take Down, Waterfall

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Aura Sphere, Blizzard, Brine, Chilling Water, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Echoed Voice, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Incinerate, Mud-Slap, Power Gem, Round, Shock Wave, Snore, Spacial Rend, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Twister, Water Pulse, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Aqua Ring, Bulk Up, Confide, Double Team, Endure, Gravity, Hail, Heal Block, Hone Claws, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Palkia.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

I think you’d just have to suck it up when it comes to that

But also, idk about Palkia

[solid frigate]

Palkia @ Life Orb
Level: 50
Ability: Telepathy
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature

• Hydro Pump
• Spacial Rend
• Earth Power
• Protect

Palkia @ Life Orb
Level: 50
Ability: Telepathy
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature

• Hydro Pump
• Spacial Rend
• Earth Power
• Trick Room

in SWSH it uses this

[cyan smelt]

You could run Palkia next to ursa bm

Wait I mean regular ursaluna

[molten oasis]

Wouldn’t cress be better at that point

[solid frigate]

i think you can run the protect version while Cress as Trick Room Setter

and Normal Form is better than Origin Form

Palkia at least if you want to use Trick Room

[charred saddle]

tofu made a palkia team for me recently, ill send you the pokepaste gimme a sec

[molten oasis]

Does it have dengo?

I’ll look at it anyway

[charred saddle]

nope, i mean just a general idea

[molten oasis]

But I’m looking for dengo, things

[polar canyon]

Palkia origin is faster with no drawback if you want a fast one

[molten oasis]

Idk what restricted would work with it and the things I’ve tried have been meh

[polar canyon]

Other than needing an item

But the item isn't bad

[solid frigate]

120 Speed is very good for Palkia

for Fast Attacker

[polar canyon]

I think it's the combination of 150 spatk and 120 speed

But again calyrex is 165 150

[solid frigate]

yeah,even Wolfey said Palkia feels fair for a Restricted Legendary

[polar nest]

bro im so mad rn

i got 5 ability patches from 1 raid and my game crashed 😦

[craggy dagger]

i wonder why

[cyan smelt]

It's probably a hacked raid

[polar nest]

i coulda sold those to finally max my comp teams evs

nah cuz i hosted it

[polar canyon]

I was wondering if mienshao was really that good of a support then an opposing one hit me with the feint on the wide guard and I got blasted with astral barrage

I forgot it learns feint

[lethal zinc]

[craggy dagger]

mienshao good

fake out wide guard quick guard feint

[solid frigate]

yeah

[craggy dagger]

you could use it with spread move shenanigans

[dapper crag]

Move: Quick Guard

The user and its party members are protected from attacks with original or altered priority greater than 0 made by other Pokemon, including allies, during this turn. This move modifies the same 1/X chance of being successful used by other protection moves, where X starts at 1 and triples each time this move is successfully used, but does not use the chance to check for failure. X resets to 1 if this move fails, if the user's last move used is not Baneful Bunker, Burning Bulwark, Detect, Endure, King's Shield, Max Guard, Obstruct, Protect, Quick Guard, Silk Trap, Spiky Shield, or Wide Guard, or if it was one of those moves and the user's protection was broken. Fails if the user moves last this turn or if this move is already in effect for the user's side.

Type

Fighting

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

15 (24)

Priority

3

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

hmmmmmmm

[polar canyon]

I think that was the point of using feint on my wide guard

[craggy dagger]

this is the set i use-

[polar canyon]

Also coaching

[craggy dagger]

The Referee (Mienshao) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Poison Jab
• Close Combat
• Fake Out
• Wide Guard

[polar canyon]

Coaching suddenly became meta out of nowhere

[molten oasis]

Nova got any ideas on restricted mons to use with dengo?

[craggy dagger]

did it-

[solid frigate]

I'm gonna stick with Terapagos and Origin Dialga

[polar canyon]

Origin dialga?

What you cooking with it

[solid frigate]

kinda wanna try it

[polar canyon]

I like miraidon

It's just awkward to use vs rilla

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/7423c4cf52fe5e4f

Version 1 of the team so its technically a prototype

also yes Mystery Dungeon reference

[craggy dagger]

mmmm…
i can see dialga, terapagos, palkia…
but i can also see korai working with tera fire flare blitz or flame charge

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/6e5d9aa58f59e28c I'm getting lando out for farigiraf here because fake out is really hurting me

[craggy dagger]

sorry not korai

[polar canyon]

Groudon?

[craggy dagger]

groudon could work

yeah-
my brain doesn’t work-

i’m half asleep rn-

[polar canyon]

I usually see heat crash on groudon

It does have like 40 bp on caly ice

[craggy dagger]

this 14 hour bus drive is making me insane

[polar canyon]

But on everything else it's usually high bp

[solid frigate]

Bulk up,Precipice Blades,Heat Crash,Protect?

[craggy dagger]

not bulk up

[polar canyon]

If it has setup it's swords dance

[craggy dagger]

crash sd blades protect

[molten oasis]

Hmm

[craggy dagger]

i feel like groudon could work

[polar canyon]

Terapagos absolutely works btw

[molten oasis]

I’ll ask tofu as well if he says kyogre I’m gonna cry cuz that’s what he said last time

[polar canyon]

Ray

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

[craggy dagger]

well here’s the thing-

[molten oasis]

I don’t really, idk how I feel about weather setters rn

[polar canyon]

You can try rayquaza prio spam

[craggy dagger]

kyogre works really well cause of drizzle-
the problem with groudon is that it has sun

[solid frigate]

if you want to use Terapagos,your really need to commit on it-

[polar canyon]

It's also an anti weather setter

[craggy dagger]

which means dengo is screwed if a fire types the field

[molten oasis]

Like, using them

Not that they’re bad

[craggy dagger]

yeah that’s fair

could kyurem white work?
i’m thinking maybe a snow dengo team?

[polar canyon]

How often do you see fire types that aren't incin and tera fire caly ice

[molten oasis]

We already tried that

[solid frigate]

Drago said he's not feeling it with sno

[craggy dagger]

ah

[torn parrot]

Only probably when kyogre is you’d probably rather just use archaludon

[craggy dagger]

i wasn’t there for that mb

[molten oasis]

I’m also sleep deprived so take some things with a grain of salt

[craggy dagger]

🤝

[solid frigate]

Drago After using Snow Team:I'm not really feeling it(Shulk's Voice)

[polar canyon]

Murkrow gholdengo

Back to the season 1 roots

[craggy dagger]

it’s a bit of a stretch but what about wp solgaleo?

[solid frigate]

yep honestly it feels cool

[craggy dagger]

with eq or smth-

[molten oasis]

I don’t really, can we not resort to gimmicky level things?

[polar canyon]

If you use solgaleo probably try coaching or howl

[craggy dagger]

sure

[molten oasis]

I see wp as gimmick shit

[polar canyon]

It usually is

[craggy dagger]

no no that’s fair cause it usually is

[solid frigate]

So its Either Dialga,Terapagos and Kyogre(Which Drago does not want)

[polar canyon]

Run gouging howl + solgaleo and pretend landorus doesn't exist

[molten oasis]

You’d just rather Archaludon like Maya said

[polar canyon]

I saw someone use coaching on a landorus today and it was pretty weird

Against 2 mons using special moves

[craggy dagger]

palkia is a no go?

[molten oasis]

Probably yea

[polar canyon]

You probably want rain for palkia but at that point run kyogre

[molten oasis]

I care about consistency as my rng is always pretty bad

[solid frigate]

Archaludon GOATED

[molten oasis]

Yes but I want to use gholdengo

[polar canyon]

Regidrago

[molten oasis]

That’s not restricted

[craggy dagger]

there’s too many dark types for lugia huh…

[polar canyon]

With lunala tailwind wide guard support

[polar canyon]

There's too many better options for lugia

[solid frigate]

Fast Lunala? that seems interesting

[craggy dagger]

yeah i realize

but multiscale tailwind :<

[polar canyon]

Lunala does it better

[solid frigate]

the thing is Lugia is too Passive

[craggy dagger]

i mean aeroblast and not a 4x ghost dark weakness

[polar canyon]

Lunala has better offense + naturally immune to fake out so no multiscale breaks

[craggy dagger]

true

[solid frigate]

Shadow Shield Ahem

[molten oasis]

I don’t really see what Lunala does for gholdengo besides wide guard

[polar canyon]

Imagine if terapagos could tera ghost

[craggy dagger]

but i don’t like lunala dengo

[solid frigate]

[craggy dagger]

being weak to dark ghost constantly is not fun

[polar canyon]

I was kinda joking about support lunala but if you wanna use lugia just use lunala

[solid frigate]

turtl

[molten oasis]

And it’s slower to support meaning it’s susceptible to getting taunted which is floating around

[craggy dagger]

wait drago are you looking for a fast dengo or a slow dengo

or a tailroom one?

[molten oasis]

I use 1 set and 1 set only

Nasty plot bulky gholdengo

I don’t really care what archetype it’s on

[polar canyon]

Caly ice

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-bunny-gun-gif-23859392

[polar canyon]

You said you don't care

[molten oasis]

That’s the exception

[craggy dagger]

92 speed i see

[molten oasis]

If I can help it fuck the horses

[craggy dagger]

kyogre is the optimal restricted but if you don’t want to use kyo

[polar canyon]

Setup terapagos with double fake out

[molten oasis]

Ok let’s look at the weaknesses of gholdengo

I will consider terapagos

[craggy dagger]

maybe i’m looking too much for a dengo centric team

[polar canyon]

Calyrex shadow

Weak to all weather setters around

Except snow

[craggy dagger]

i was thinking yveltal but it’s not in gen 9

[solid frigate]

welcome to Turtle gang

[molten oasis]

It is weak to the weather setters yea, doesn’t like caly s

[solid frigate]

If Xerneas is in this game i would HARD LOCK ON IT

[polar canyon]

You could try prio spam ray + chien

chienquaza

paoquaza

[molten oasis]

Ray isn’t very good

[solid frigate]

Inner Focus Dragonite ahem-

[molten oasis]

You’d rather dnite im serious

[craggy dagger]

dnit is just better

inner focus just carries

[polar canyon]

Ray has swords dance

That's cool

[solid frigate]

Fake Out:

[craggy dagger]

what-
amulet extreme speed?

[molten oasis]

It also has to run clear amulet

[polar canyon]

Yeah I guess

[craggy dagger]

pagos would prolly be your best bet after kyogre

[solid frigate]

I would run Dragonite over Rayquaza at this point.

[polar canyon]

I mean 1 sd and you're just gonna start one shotting things

[solid frigate]

turtle Stronk

[molten oasis]

Until you’re ohkoed or stopped by fo

[craggy dagger]

fake out

or upper hand-

if people even run upper hand nowadays

[polar canyon]

Did people ever run upper hand

[molten oasis]

It got very limited distribution so no

[craggy dagger]

wp tera normal dnite gimmick yes

[solid frigate]

wait does dialga tank that?

lemme check

[craggy dagger]

it should yeah

[polar canyon]

Probably

[craggy dagger]

what about regular zama?

[polar canyon]

With sword of ruin it must do at least half

[polar canyon]

Non crowned?

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[polar canyon]

Why would people use that

[molten oasis]

There is no point to use Zac or zama not in their crowned forms

[craggy dagger]

that ground fire shared weakness-
i don’t like that

[molten oasis]

Yea but base zama is significantly weaker

[craggy dagger]

oh wait the stat differences yeah

[solid frigate]

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Rayquaza Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Dialga-Origin: 56-66 (27 - 31.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Ok thats just pathetic-

[polar canyon]

Base zama for the choice band body press

[craggy dagger]

not even surprised

[solid frigate]

Tanky and Steel Resist Normal so yeah

Earthquake kills it tho so yeah

[polar canyon]

31.8% max roll and it's a guaranteed 2hko what

[solid frigate]

wait thats not full health

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Rayquaza Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Dialga-Origin: 56-66 (27 - 31.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

[polar canyon]

Well it's not like band dnite is gonna hurt more than that

[craggy dagger]

drop it to -1 or +1

[solid frigate]

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Sword of Ruin Rayquaza Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Dialga-Origin: 74-88 (35.7 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[cyan smelt]

Isn't the chien Pao gonna hurt with sacred sword

[craggy dagger]

cause we gotta take into account intimidate

[solid frigate]

wait i have farigaraf nvm-

[polar canyon]

-1 and +1 into incineroar with sword of ruin

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[polar canyon]

If it's clear amulet you don't have to care

Except for wisp

[solid frigate]

236+ SpA Adamant Crystal Dialga-Origin Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Rayquaza: 272-324 (128.3 - 152.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Rayquaza just ded

[polar canyon]

4 move slot syndrome is hitting incineroar

[craggy dagger]

but now you’re losing in damage

[polar canyon]

Because now more than ever it also wants snarl and wisp

[polar canyon]

You're losing more in damage if you get intimidated

Actually are you

[craggy dagger]

is a +1 more than a life orb

[polar canyon]

Well at -1 with lorb and 0 without it

[craggy dagger]

i haven’t touched vgc in like a month so i’ve forgotten almost anything

[polar canyon]

Life orb is 30%

[solid frigate]

lorb is 30%,Choice items are 50%

[polar canyon]

We need more cool items with drawbacks

[torn parrot]

I’m sleepy

[craggy dagger]

and +X boosts are…?

[polar canyon]

+50% each

[solid frigate]

Assault Vest but Defense boost rather than Sp Def?

[polar canyon]

Stacks additively

[polar canyon]

What

Oh

That would be pretty good

Combat vest

[solid frigate]

that actually sounds cool

[craggy dagger]

isn’t combat and assault the same words pretty much-

[polar canyon]

The item would be pretty much the same thing too so it makes sense

It could be assault pants

[solid frigate]

i ran Assault Vest Dialga (Normal) Before

[solid frigate]

I can see the mental Image of Palkia trying to wear those pants-

[craggy dagger]

wha-

[polar canyon]

Choice sash

[craggy dagger]

what does that do-

it lets you live on 1hp once but it locks you into the move that you selected?

[solid frigate]

Boost Sp.Defense but only use Attacking moves

[polar canyon]

Yeah

[cyan smelt]

So I asked what would be good teammates for hisuian goodra and tofu said Grimm and caly s, what else should I use?

[craggy dagger]

no choice sash

[solid frigate]

idfk then

[polar canyon]

Incin?

[craggy dagger]

i know what assault vest is

[polar canyon]

Rillaboom

Fake out support + grass recovery

[cyan smelt]

What about for speed control

[polar canyon]

For hisuian Goodra?

[cyan smelt]

Do I need speed control

[polar canyon]

Calyrex is pretty fast

[cyan smelt]

Flutter is faster

[polar canyon]

No

[craggy dagger]

mmm-
incin?

[craggy dagger]

with booster yes

[polar canyon]

Without booster no

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[cyan smelt]

They usually run booster speed

[craggy dagger]

222 to 205 is crazy

[polar canyon]

If you can say flutter has booster energy I can say caly has scarf

Boom

It's actually a scarf calyrex in tailwind at +6 speed

[cyan smelt]

If I run rilla I'm tempted to run knock off

[solid frigate]

My mental image of Palkia wearing Assault Pants:

[polar canyon]

Thats palkia with his privates censored by a black bar

[solid frigate]

LOL

[cyan smelt]

Why not use Palkia origin

[torn parrot]

Wellll

Regular palkia is better on trick room teams

[solid frigate]

also Dialga>Palkia

[foggy lodge]

Palkia origin has potential too

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 484: Palkia-Origin

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/100/100/150/120/120

Total

680

Base Species

Palkia

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

as a Tailwind sweeper?

[foggy lodge]

It has a good speed

Not incredible but it's fast

[craggy dagger]

it’s the same

as regular iirc

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 484: Palkia

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/120/100/150/120/100

Total

680

Other Formes

Palkia-Origin

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[craggy dagger]

nvm-

[foggy lodge]

It's palkia but with a better stat spread

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 483: Dialga

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/120/120/150/100/90

Total

680

Other Formes

Dialga-Origin

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

Pokémon No. 483: Dialga-Origin

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/120/150/120/90

Total

680

Base Species

Dialga

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[foggy lodge]

The bad thing is the item

[craggy dagger]

oh dialga is the one who has the same speed stat

[torn parrot]

I wouldn’t call it better

[foggy lodge]

And i still think is a pretty good item

[torn parrot]

It’s the same but more speed

[foggy lodge]

Like 20% boost in Dragon and water moves

[solid frigate]

Dialga's Stat change is kinda good,as now you are equally tanky

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 487: Giratina

Types

Ghost/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

150/100/120/100/120/90

Total

680

Other Formes

Giratina-Origin

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[torn parrot]

Yeah dialga origin just objectively better

[foggy lodge]

Is Giratina good in singles? His stats look tanky for a more staller format like singles

[solid frigate]

RIP my favourite Legendary.... He's too passive to do shit

[solid frigate]

better than VGC i can say

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 249: Lugia

Types

Psychic/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Multiscale (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

106/90/130/90/154/110

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[foggy lodge]

Ohhh i think Ho-Oh is coming to Pkmn Unite

As an Ex Defender lmao

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 250: Ho-Oh

Types

Fire/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

106/130/90/110/154/90

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[polar nest]

if I ev train my torkoal in sword, will the evs carry over into s/v?

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[polar nest]

k, ty

[cyan smelt]

Only thing that doesn't carry over is moves

[solid frigate]

W H A T

[foggy lodge]

It's not confirmed tho, just a leak that can be fake

I really wish is fake💀

It's unite move can revive teammates

[solid frigate]

i will not touch Unite again until Whimsicott is in the game

https://tenor.com/view/whimsicott-smile-gif-19923061

[rustic mountain]

unite

so glad i stopped playing

[solid frigate]

same

[foggy lodge]

I still play it but with friends

Solo Q is horrible and more with draft

[cyan smelt]

So grimm, hoodra, caly s, incin, rilla and urshifu or ogerpon for the last slot?

[solid frigate]

i guess?

https://pokepast.es/7423c4cf52fe5e4f

I Dunno which Ogerpon is good for this team

[cyan smelt]

Wellspring

[solid frigate]

done

https://pokepast.es/db50c14e4f76bb32

[molten oasis]

very rage inducing game

[bitter heart]

I could never find any fun in MOBAs

[molten oasis]

i had fun with it but getting good at them isnt fun lol

btw im gonna test terapagos/dengo route

[craggy dagger]

ooo gl

[cyan smelt]

I think I'm beginning to understand how to calc ev spreads

[strong geode]

what item prevents encore?

I just used encore on a tornadus and it had an item that prevented it

[cyan smelt]

Mental herb

[strong geode]

ohhhh I forgot about that one

[mighty stump]

👁️

[cyan smelt]

It's still hard for me to understand but I'm gonna practice playing around with calcs

[charred saddle]

:kontol:

[azure ether]

building a team for the first time. kindly let me know if it's decent or not, and what things I can improve on
https://pokepast.es/a93dc7ae16f78955

[rustic mountain]

u want synergy for ur team, having mons that benefit from sun use, watershifu is not one of those. if u want urshifu use single strike. either that or incin as another fake out support and intimidate option. also id say bolt is generally a better electric protosynth mon then shocks.

i get the gravity p blades thing but it just seems kinda gimmicky tbh

[azure ether]

hmm I guess it's gonna be Bolt balance again then

[charred saddle]

well theres a reason why its meta

[azure ether]

idk how strict the Fire-Water-Grass core is in team building actually so I just put waterfu there for the sake of it

[charred saddle]

it fills the slot nicely, other mons fall short or only fills a certain niche

[charred saddle]

i wouldnt say u need them, but it does create a nice balance

take an example of alex gomez team

https://pokepast.es/5a8bda39d382aa7a

it doesnt fill the FWG core but it has a good synergy on how the team works

[azure ether]

I'm looking for a semblance of the SwSh Rinya sun team since I did so well with that

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/a1196a36e8aec65e

this one?

[azure ether]

yep

[charred saddle]

id say you can make something close to it, you can either use gastrodon as a more of a support utility mon with yawn or just use waterpon

waterpon does have follow me to help you set SD, but like again. watercudgel in sun doesnt feel good

i think one thing to take notes of is that now we do have tera, and i think some caly S runs tera fighting

and they sometime run tera blast

so just keep that in mind for incin

you can prob just play around with that 3 core first and fill in the slot with a good synergy

[rustic mountain]

got a quick 70% gxe on one of my alts

[charred saddle]

ooo pog

care to share the recipe?

[rustic mountain]

my other one was w/ a bunch of testing teams so it was skewed