competitive_discussion

[timber falcon]

incin is the love/hate mon

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2094259178 Back to 1100 (Guest: Comfey)

[cyan smelt]

Well I probably hate caly s and caly I more right now

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/a30a04d45520d285 Any reccomendations?

[cyan smelt]

Why didn't they just go for a blizzard or an ice move on lando or amoonguss

[mighty stump]

Incin answers both frfr

[autumn vault]

No snow

And it is 70% accurate without snow

1000s players cook and serve burnt teams

[cyan smelt]

Don't they have a non blizzard ice move on that thing

[autumn vault]

Use Kyurem-W in snow

Honestly

[tough idol]

At least they are trying

[autumn vault]

And i do try to win with Zekrom

I respect them for using Kyurem-W without snow but that team needs to be refined

[autumn vault]

Any team members?

[cyan smelt]

If they were using it without snow they could've used freeze dry or ice beam

[autumn vault]

maybe they forgot about A9

and chose blizzard by accident

[cyan smelt]

Ogerpon maybe?

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/cfac014654bbc24f what i came up with

[cyan smelt]

Looks solid enough

[chrome knot]

ah a classic

[next stump]

anyone have good suggestions for 3rd move slot on clear amulet groudon?

is it just fire/ground/swords dance?

[chrome knot]

explosion

[next stump]

cause heavy slam feels like overkill lol

[chrome knot]

[next stump]

[chrome knot]

what is tera fairy rn that would actually die to slam

i fear if bolt terad ur better off neutral than slamming it i think?

[cyan smelt]

Oooh jugulis gets meteor beam

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/terapagos-terastal.png

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/terapagos-stellar.png

[autumn vault]

Nah we go overkill

plus it counters tera fairy

[stray badger]

Turtles all the way down

[solid frigate]

heat crash/heavy slam,swords dance/precipice blades

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-pokemon-terapagos-eating-gif-2969040560991740670

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/greninja.png

[stray badger]

I hope they don't revert this

[solid frigate]

the sprites throw me off a lot

[autumn vault]

#competitive_discussion message when me and drago absolutely trolled hard on everyone

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago (ID 465881273454559252)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
https://pokepast.es/95532734640c2b31

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[stray badger]

The best kind of jumpscare is opening up team builder in Showdown to these sprites

[autumn vault]

and seeing a smily man in a body of an urshifu

[solid frigate]

yeah i literally can't recognise-

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/urshifu-rapidstrike.png

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/terapagos.png

[solid frigate]

RIP terapagos

[autumn vault]

R. I. P.

[chrome knot]

everytime i click a paste its always

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/reshiram.png

[chrome knot]

cm bolt cycle + your favourite restricted

[solid frigate]

He's just a Boi,the cute little boi

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-horizons-pokemon-anime-anipoke-pokeani-gif-7708511298992412894

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-horizons-pokeani-anipoke-terapagos-gif-5491529637229236199

[solid frigate]

he's too cute-

wonder why its my second favourite legendary

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/555719e92bcbd1ef Any suggestions?

[river schooner]

Yooo we’re twins zekrom is one of my fav legends and excadrill is my fav mon lmao

[limpid trench]

Is multiscale Dragonite good

[next stump]

usually inner focus is preferred in doubles

i think singles multiscale sees more use

[solid frigate]

it can ignore flinches and stat drops?

[next stump]

yes

[solid frigate]

which is valueable

[brazen bough]

im bak

[bronze shadow]

Does anyone know a good team for competitive? I'm doing doubles ou, or uu or ubers idrk what im doing

[brazen bough]

what is your moveset

[next stump]

precipice blades, heat crash, swords dance, protect

[mighty stump]

BASED

LETS GOOO

[brazen bough]

nice

[limpid trench]

Thanks for the insight :))

[gentle crag]

treypeace. has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[brazen bough]

im gonna go with lunala how is it performing rn

[stray badger]

https://pokepast.es/5e8dca0905467c65
https://pokepast.es/f0c69b4d4b00c81f
I still have no idea if I should swap out a pokemon on either of these teams for a stronger legendary, let alone what it should be.

[limpid trench]

What if it’s for casual singles w friends ?

[bold geode]

I've seen some go Rock Slide instead of Swords Dance, but I usually just go with the moves you mentioned

[solid frigate]

for flying and ice coverage so it make sense

[brazen bough]

is flutter still a pain in the ass

[tough idol]

You about @bold geode

[solid frigate]

Y E S

[bold geode]

It's alright
Groudon Sun is good to it for sure
Caly S is the real pain in the ass

[brazen bough]

im using luna

[brazen bough]

im guessing groudon sun has walking wake

[stray badger]

An answer I will never get

[autumn vault]

In restricteds, no

[last yarrow]

Hey are the DLC legends a requirement to make a viable team or is it just more difficult to make one without 'em? (mostly talking about ogerpon & urshifu)

[solid frigate]

depending on the team you wanna bbuild

[chrome knot]

mostly yes

i aint gonna hold you

[mighty stump]

Some of these sets are either outdated/wrong

Not much else to say without seeing EVs

The only ones id say are correct are Whimsicott/Gholdengo/Incineroar across both. Not really convinced about Maushold and Gambit Ape

[stray badger]

I tried to build them around the Goodras

[mighty stump]

Well Specs Goodra is just bad, and Hoodra wants Tera Fairy

[stray badger]

I also only wanted shiny pokemon

[mighty stump]

I'm not really going to give out advice based on your available shiny pokemon

[stray badger]

What's your advice then?

Just saying "these parts are bad" and nothing more isn't really helpful to me

[mighty stump]

Realistically, regular Goodra isn't going to see play

Life Orb Rillaboom with 4 moves is just begging for AV

Kingambit going Tera Fly in a metagame with Raging Bolt also feels really rough

Your A9 set is basically non-existent, teams can just freely ignore it

[stray badger]

I've been going off of the Game8 builds

[mighty stump]

If you need standard sets

I suggest looking up Pikalytics.

[mighty stump]

Gane8 is a highly inaccurate resource with regards to competitive Pokemon

Also both teams just look incredibly weak to Incineroar

[stray badger]

Base Goodra has scald at least for Incineroar

I've only played, like, 4 matches

[mighty stump]

236+ SpA Choice Specs Goodra Scald vs. 236 HP / 124+ SpD Incineroar: 116-138 (58 - 69%) -- 67.6% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

You're like never really killingIncin

[stray badger]

For H-Goodra Pikalytics pairs it with Incineroar, Amoongus, Cresselia, Rilaboom, and Porygon2. That's definitely doable for me

It gives 5 others but doesn't give them a percentage

[tough idol]

Bear in mind you've got about 4 weeks until big guns are released into the fray

[brazen bough]

do you have a moveset for lunala

[mighty stump]

Moongeist, Meteor Beam, Wide Guard, TR/Protect

Power Herb

[stray badger]

"Goodra, 0.00%"

[brazen bough]

ty

[gentle crag]

brotoffeethegoatgreatestofalltim has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[stray badger]

I guess I literally can't get suggestions for Goodra

[brazen bough]

wait no tw

[mighty stump]

TR/Protect

[brazen bough]

goodra isnt good

[brazen bough]

tw i meant

[mighty stump]

At most you run an AV/4 move coverage set

But it's severely underwhelming

and taking up an AV for something like a Goodra hurts a lot of teams

[mighty stump]

Since when does it get TW

Is this a new thing

[dapper crag]

Lunala's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Fly, Giga Impact, Phantom Force, Poltergeist, Shadow Claw

Special Moves

Air Slash, Blizzard, Charge Beam, Confusion, Dazzling Gleam, Dream Eater, Expanding Force, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Heat Wave, Hex, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Meteor Beam, Moonblast, Moongeist Beam, Night Daze, Night Shade, Psychic, Psyshock, Shadow Ball, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Confuse Ray, Cosmic Power, Endure, Helping Hand, Hypnosis, Light Screen, Moonlight, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spite, Splash, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tailwind, Teleport, Trick, Trick Room, Wide Guard, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Lunala.

SableyeBot version 4.26.4

[stray badger]

I know, but I want a Goodra team

[mighty stump]

Hm

[brazen bough]

it shows to get tw

[mighty stump]

I suppose TW works?

Wisp also works

[stray badger]

I also have no idea what an AV/4 move coverage set is

[mighty stump]

As long you're aware of the shortcomings and have tempered expectations that your team might not perform as well as a lot of meta-teams

Assault Vest with Muddy Water/Thunderbolt/Dragon Pulse or Draco Meteor/+1

[stray badger]

What should I pair it with since Pikalytics doesn't give me anything for it

[tough idol]

Box 25 and use something else.

Sorry couldn't resist 😜 😉

[bold geode]

Groudon Bolt is a good combo
Although Wake could be seen there
Also Mane should be on those teams

[mighty stump]

You can attempt to go for a double coverage core with FWG and Dragon/Steel/Fairy

Seems like you'd probably end up going some form of Balance

[stray badger]

So Gholdengo and Whimsicott still work?

Keep Incineroar too, what about the last 2 slots?

[mighty stump]

Well choices of Watermons are probaly just Urshifu-Water/Wellspring. Offensively i'd add a better Fairy type like Flutter Mane

[stray badger]

Are there any water mon alternatives that Gamefreak has had the good graces to graciously gift us with a lack of shiny lock on?

(though Cresselia is already going to be hell to hunt...)

[real prairie]

Was the announcement of reg G just poorly timed for April fools day or have I been had?

[mighty stump]

Nope

Not April Fools

[real prairie]

Also hi everyone, sorry been AWOL, had a bit of a mental health break.

[real prairie]

Ah cool

[tough idol]

Its usually announced early hours of new season

Just happened to also be April 1st

[real prairie]

I've not been keeping track of anything

[tough idol]

Fair

[real prairie]

Reg G on showdown already?

[pearl wind]

yep

[real prairie]

Nice

[mighty stump]

I even hit Rank 1 on it already in the first 24 hours too

Terapagos stonks, invest now

Im marketing one of my new favourite children

[brazen bough]

for tr do you recommend hard tr mons or soft tr mons

because im stuck between incin and kaol

[real prairie]

This should be a thing, invest in Pokémon like you can with footballers lol (like stocksFC)

[mighty stump]

Well

I’d rather consider the individual use of the mon and beyond just their speed tier and what they can provide for the archetype

[tough idol]

Think I've got 3 Terapagos atm I lose track 9f what I actually have since DLC

[mighty stump]

How the fuck

[tough idol]

If that was to me, I've completed multiple saves.

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-nidothing-terapagos-pokemon-horizons-gif-18103009317736918134

[tough idol]

I still haven't gotten into Showdown and no new games have taken my interest so replay lol

[solid frigate]

Terapagos Jumpscare

[autumn vault]

Terapagos just wants to be famous

[brazen bough]

the problem with that is im not really familiar with luna at all

i think luna + porygon should work

wtf caly ice gets life dew and pollen puff

[solid frigate]

hes the boi who wants to be famous

[brazen bough]

secret meta option???

[autumn vault]

Well base form has those two along with shadow rider

[brazen bough]

O

[autumn vault]

It makes sense for base form Calyrex to know both moves

and it still keeps all of it's powers even when it mounts onto a steed

[upbeat quail]

Why do I always have 2 spare EVs in game when building Pokémon?

[pearl wind]

because in game a pokemon can have 510EVs but you can only use 508, dats why you have always 2 left

[solid frigate]

the sprite is back to normal thank god

[pearl wind]

for example a max max spread is 252/252/4, dats 508EVs

[stray badger]

https://pokepast.es/0a56d675add7761a
Pikalytics doesn't give Tera suggestions but how is this looking?

[charred cloud]

Does anybody wanna battle me?

[tough idol]

Doesn't H Goodra usually run Shelter, or whatever the move is.

[stray badger]

Acid Armor is technically better but it's basically the same as Shelter

[craggy dagger]

water tera moongus, ghost tera P2, fire tera rilla, tera fairy hoodra with shelter cause it’s more PP efficient

[charred cloud]

The code is 42667 if anybody wants to battle

[craggy dagger]

#1046572041421197352 would be a better place to go look for people who want to battle

[charred cloud]

oh

thanks

[stray badger]

Acid Armor you mean, I'm assuming in place of Life Dew?

Though in game it will have Shelter because I didn't realize you had to give it Acid Armor before evolving it and I'm not hunting for another one

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2094408007
Bro gets cocky and lose to Ogerpon

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-teal-mask-pokemon-scarl-gif-15494797964924474811

[autumn vault]

Just because you wipe the restricted legend off of the match doesn't mean you will win

He even had the audacity to xD infront of you

Deserved

[wooden shale]

Need help with group quest. Link code - 6CRR7R

[solid frigate]

Yep Ogerpon just take it seriously

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-run-pokemon-gif-6148585923082045127

[autumn vault]

doing GG XD is like doing GG EZ, its toxic and you most of the time lose if you do it early on

[mighty stump]

Inappropriate channel to ask.

[solid frigate]

Yeah and he forgot my secret weapon besides Terapagos is Ogerpon,I would actually use Ogerpon to fight if Terapagos is either faint early or Not using it

so technically Ogerpon is my backup

[autumn vault]

i think that was obvious

You deserved the win more

and this is coming from a human that got tortured by a final boss from Fire Emblem

[unkempt flax]

New regulation new me

I am so excited

[solid frigate]

the fact he had 2 Intimidate mons and a snow team

[solid frigate]

Me who gets tortured in Xenoblade 2

[autumn vault]

We get tortured in 12+ games
🤝

[solid frigate]

lol

[stray badger]

What Tera type does Flutter Mane want again?

[autumn vault]

seriously though 2 intimidators is pretty risky, especially with kingambit, clear amulet existing

[solid frigate]

Fairy for offensive

[solid frigate]

He has Clear Amulet Gallade

I'm playing the similar thing

[mighty stump]

Im convinced Kingambit is kinda cheeks

As an intimidate deterrent

[autumn vault]

Annihilape is so uncommon i would not consider it most of the time

Gambit still counters the calyrex's

[stray badger]

https://pokepast.es/c841c6f126a79e46
Base Goodra team rework should be looking good, yeah?

[solid frigate]

I can only think of this image after that fight

[stray badger]

Still no pokemon added in the new regulation tho

[tough idol]

Not likely to add anymore are they? Unless they add the remaining Legends for 2x Restricted

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon jumpscare

[tough idol]

[stray badger]

I know they're adding the box legends

[solid frigate]

Calyrex should not exist at all-

[tough idol]

@stray badger oh I get you. Everything that's in SV game can be used barring the Mythics I believe

[stray badger]

I can't use them because Gamefreak saw how popular Nuzlockes are and went "People love locks!!!" and shiny locked everything

[solid frigate]

F

[tough idol]

I want to invent a time machine and go back and stop Incin becoming a reality

[solid frigate]

same but with Calyrex

[mighty stump]

Who's gonna be checking most of the metagame from running around for free then

[solid frigate]

Lando but still it feels not good enough

Incineroar can stay

i rather Incineroar to stay

[tough idol]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-the-dark-knight-heath-ledger-joker-gif-15327985

[stray badger]

In theory Lando isn't shiny locked...

[tough idol]

PoGo and SwSh for sure its available

[solid frigate]

if you want Shiny Legendaries,Pokemon GO exists

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump

reg g sucks balls

having lots of fun 😍

[stray badger]

Unfortunately I don't have SwSh and PoGo has the dreaded G mark

[chrome knot]

s/m?

[tough idol]

Dreaded G Mark?

[stray badger]

I only have BDSP, SV, and PLA

[solid frigate]

welp

[chrome knot]

ok so no shiny lando then

[stray badger]

And Go of course but I don't know anyone who plays

Not without trading, so not likely

[solid frigate]

Me

but still trading sucks in GO

[stray badger]

Remote Passes aren't cheap

[solid frigate]

yeah it was cheap before

[tough idol]

I'm off PoGo until Tapu Lele raids are done

[chrome knot]

i wanna DA tapus no lie

would anyone like to DA in the near future

[tough idol]

Not even sure where my Sw file is regarding DAs I never kept track lol 😅 and my dex is now split everywhere

[chrome knot]

i have charm & no legends caught

[stray badger]

It's so ugly

Why did SV and PLA have to be fully legendary shiny locked? I could just hunt it in PLA if it wasn't! They both have the most available and least available shinies!

I've also kinda stopped playing Go ever since I started driving

[solid frigate]

F

[stray badger]

But I still have the shiny 3* shades Absol B)
(I don't have Mega Absol yet...)

[solid frigate]

me who got a shiny absol:

[stray badger]

Yeah but mine's cooler because it has sunglasses

[solid frigate]

i got that as well

[stray badger]

Uh, well, I have a 4* Mimikyu costume Pikachu!

[solid frigate]

I think i have it as well- its a Halloween special event

[stray badger]

(half of the whole two 4*s I have...)

I wish we got more Pokemon outfits in the mainline. As far as I remember there's only been Pikachu (and kinda Eevee)

Like Slowpoke with a cowboy hat is the best thing the grace this franchise

[tough idol]

Cowboy Hat Snorlax disagrees

[autumn vault]

That is better

[autumn vault]

This?

[tough idol]

Yes

[autumn vault]

This is better though

[mighty stump]

Lmao

Terapagos

[chrome knot]

i love calm mind cycle!

[mighty stump]

ezpz

[solid frigate]

The Boi

[stray badger]

Nah, this is still better

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-gloogy-pokemon-indigo-disk-gif-13582137320859028886

[stray badger]

He has never experienced a thought before in his life

[brazen bough]

how good is terapagos

[autumn vault]

Top tier

[mighty stump]

Damn straight

[molten oasis]

its very good

[brazen bough]

as good as lunala my goat

any1 know if lunala is grounded

and can use EF

[tough idol]

Lunala gets Ex Fo

[last yarrow]

Y'all got any trick room 'mon recommendations? I'm working on a reg G team on showdown to use on the in-game ladder when it's available.

[brazen bough]

i mean does it get the full effect

because the mon needs to be grounded to use it as a spread

[tough idol]

I'd assume its Grounded as not Flying type and has no ability re that

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-pokemon-horizons-screaming-gif-3175766823264533159

[charred saddle]

does +2 crit = guaranteed crit?

[solid frigate]

+3

[charred saddle]

or is it +3

[solid frigate]

+2 is 1/4

+1 is 1/8

regular is 1/12

[atomic mural]

+3 crit chance is guaranteed

+2 is guaranteed and I think +1 is 1/12 and regular is 1/16

[mighty stump]

1/24

then 1/8

then 1/2

then guaranteed

[solid frigate]

less than i thought

[charred saddle]

im cooking some dumb food

a weird ass recipe

[charred saddle]

bang, groudon pada ambil bulk ga

[mighty stump]

Seharusnya sih

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1

[mighty stump]

Gw speed wkwk

[charred saddle]

hmm

gw lg mau nyoba hal tolol

132 SpA Sceptile Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Groudon: 176-210 (100.5 - 120%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[brazen bough]

does that mean thank you?

[gentle crag]

brotoffeethegoatgreatestofalltim has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[charred saddle]

grass knot

[brazen bough]

bruh

i didnt know the bot could detect that

[charred saddle]

nya

thats what triggered the bot

[autumn vault]

Someone: Replies to someone and says thank you but not it a thankful way
The bot:

[gentle crag]

You cannot rep bots or yourself.

[mighty stump]

Ya

Gk kyk gitu juga bang

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

Surf

anjir

[brazen bough]

telepathy spam

[charred saddle]

its probably gonna fail so fucking bad

[brazen bough]

run it with oranguru

[charred saddle]

its a dragon cheer

uh no thanks

[autumn vault]

Oranguru is unviable in restricted formats

[last yarrow]

I'm trying to make me a trickroom team with duskmane necrozma rn, hoping it'll work somewhat at least :3

[autumn vault]

Good luck

[pearl wind]

not the honse form

[mighty stump]

Do a weakness policy thing

[bold geode]

Fuck it
Fuck Caly S
Fuck it- Tera Normal Flutter Mane

[dull ibex]

Petition for gamefreak to add mouse support to ranked

[last yarrow]

Alrighty, rn it has lifeorb but that'll prob be better

[mighty stump]

You can always do self trigger

[autumn vault]

Tofu is correct

[dull ibex]

I learned I don't understand restricted still

But that's okay i can Learn

[timber falcon]

is there meta yet

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/729fb173294a9294 This is a team i will send in #rental_teams tomorrow, any last changes?

[dull ibex]

Format just started unofficially so not really a meta yet

[timber falcon]

so no meta for the whole month???

[autumn vault]

Still in the thinking phase, i think

[last yarrow]

Hatterene would probably be good on the team but then I'd have 3 psychic types, I may not know too much about competitive but I do know having too many of the same type is a Bad Idea™

[timber falcon]

how does solgaleo look?

it doesnt get affected by intim and has a decent attack stat

[tough idol]

Like a white fiery robot lion

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 791: Solgaleo

Types

Psychic/Steel

Abilities

Full Metal Body

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/137/107/113/89/97

Total

680

Weight (Low Kick BP)

230kg (120 BP)

Height

3.4m

Introduced

Generation 7

Pre-evolution

Cosmoem

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

White

SableyeBot version 4.26.4

[timber falcon]

robot? i always thought it was an alien

but yk robot makes wayyyyyy more sense

its steel isnt it. yeah its no alien

[patent marsh]

groudon my beloved

[tough idol]

My first Restricted, I have no beloved

[patent marsh]

time to cook walking wake

since now we have goat sun setter

[tough idol]

It'll be the Tortle prob though

[pearl wind]

i'll try a team with dawn wings, i really like the design

[last yarrow]

My DM necrozma is built to counter fluttermane + both aidons because I haven't messed with the format at all but I expect ppl to be using them

[autumn vault]

How accurate is this?

[patent marsh]

groudon has heavy slam

[mighty stump]

Don doesn't need Heavy Slam

Heat Crash in sun already does the job

[patent marsh]

so swords dance

[tough idol]

For me Great Tusk was better than C@autumn vault

[mighty stump]

Groudon @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 228 HP / 156 Atk / 124 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Heat Crash
• Precipice Blades
• Swords Dance
• Protect

What i'm personally running

[autumn vault]

I forgot Reg B when Tusk was pretty good

[patent marsh]

o that's almost 1:1 with what I was going but heavy slam instead of swords dance

[timber falcon]

now my set

[autumn vault]

@tough idol better?

[tough idol]

Yh thats fair to me, Scream Tail not quite upto B, not sure about Iron Boulder, barely seen it used. Beat 1 at Liverpool.

[autumn vault]

In restricted format bundle will return to viability, also in reg B and C it was pretty common

oh wait you meant boulder

[timber falcon]

the duality of valion in singles and doubles

[autumn vault]

If boulder had a good type, it would be pretty good

[solid frigate]

i want to make one but by Design wise

[autumn vault]

I will make one Design wise

[last yarrow]

Necrozma-Dusk-Mane @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Prism Armor
Level: 50
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Brave Nature

• Swords Dance
• Sunsteel Strike
• Photon Geyser
• Earthquake

My TR Duskmane rn, plan A is to swords dance while support cresselia set up trickroom and I have no backup plans yet lol

[mighty stump]

Well you still need a method of self-proc, otherwise you might as well run Clear Amulet if you're running Swords Dance

[solid frigate]

Design wise

yes i am Future Mon stan

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/bd7cdb4f054525b4 thoughts on a 6th?

[timber falcon]

singles?

[autumn vault]

design wise

[molten oasis]

were ranking paradox mons now

[solid frigate]

ok i feel offended by u-

[timber falcon]

no its just my bad spelling

[last yarrow]

alrighty, ty for the advice

[gentle crag]

flooferdooper6 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

CA SD is probably better

[smoky hawk]

Random thought. What about tera fire groudon with eruption partnered with lilligant?

[mighty stump]

Might as well run Torkoal

[autumn vault]

Worse than torkoal

[tough idol]

Flutter? I'm prob wrong but

[molten oasis]

[autumn vault]

With fire type it does more damage, even more with tera fire

He hates flutter

[solid frigate]

no i mean the name.

[mighty stump]

Imo, Torkoal + Groudon should be on the same team

[molten oasis]

i guess that works

[mighty stump]

I personally like it

[timber falcon]

ohhh, the name is facts cant change that

[smoky hawk]

What will be the top used restricted? I'm looking at the gen 3s and the gen 9s

[solid frigate]

Kyogre feel cooler because ruler of the Sea feels like Neptune thing

(Yea i am a Nerd)

[molten oasis]

any other suggestions?

[mighty stump]

Gen 8s

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/groudon-hoenn-pokemon-generations-gif-7396046

yeah but thats so cool

[patent marsh]

gen 10 surely

[molten oasis]

zacian is pretty good, caly shadow is stupid good, caly ice is very good

[tough idol]

Easy to hate something. Better to embrace the hate and live with it.

[patent marsh]

flutter my beloved

[molten oasis]

fuck flutter

[smoky hawk]

Calyrex? True.
I'd say calyrex, groudon, kyogre, and the aidons

[molten oasis]

if i have the option, i wont run it

HOWEVER idk what to put on here

i considered dengo and bolt but they overlap a lot

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/primal-kyogre-hoenn-pokemon-generations-gif-7398842

[autumn vault]

Hate me if you want but what about sand in reg G?

[molten oasis]

groudon and kyogre food

[autumn vault]

That eye terrified me

[timber falcon]

what drago said

[autumn vault]

The zoom is terrifying

[timber falcon]

not the same energy

oh yeah btw anyone here got a waterpon set they can slide ?

[molten oasis]

flutter it is

[autumn vault]

Counters both Calyrexs, removes Groudon and Kyogre's weather, does all right against Miraidon (with ground move), indeedee murderer, dawn wings/lunala counter, more that idk

[timber falcon]

sand stops calyrex?

[autumn vault]

It's shitty typing stops calyrex

[timber falcon]

doesnt caly-ice run CC?

[mighty stump]

Groudon doesn’t care if you remove its weather

[molten oasis]

high horsepower

[mighty stump]

You still eat a million from Water Spout

[autumn vault]

Wait it does?

[timber falcon]

yeah normally

[mighty stump]

Rock is neutral to Glacial Lance

[autumn vault]

Rock is super effective against ice

[mighty stump]

and Caly-S can either Tera-Fight or Tera Fairy

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/fcfc7dc8c7355a79 how does this look ??

[autumn vault]

Why i would run protect on tyranitar

to scout the tera

And tyranitar can most likely live a tera fairy blast

[molten oasis]

how are you proccing weakness policy

[autumn vault]

252 SpA Tera-Fairy Calyrex-Shadow Rider Tera Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 110-132 (62.5 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[timber falcon]

luck

[smoky hawk]

I'm interested in the possibility of a new type of team being introduced in this meta. Miraidon is going to unlock the true potential of future paradoxes

[molten oasis]

then run a different item

[mighty stump]

HH, LO

[pastel blade]

Should I change anything on this rayquaza? For doubles

[timber falcon]

a?

av

[molten oasis]

clear amulet swords dance over rock slide

[mighty stump]

Swords Dance/Dragon Dance over Rock Slide, Clear Amulet for Life Orb

[molten oasis]

sure

[dapper crag]

Ability: Full Metal Body

Prevents other Pokemon from lowering this Pokemon's stat stages.

SableyeBot version 4.26.4

[autumn vault]

with lorb: 252 SpA Life Orb Tera-Fairy Calyrex-Shadow Rider Tera Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 143-172 (69 - 83%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
For HH: 252 SpA Tera-Fairy Calyrex-Shadow Rider Helping Hand Tera Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 164-194 (79.2 - 93.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

With both: 252 SpA Life Orb Tera-Fairy Calyrex-Shadow Rider Helping Hand Tera Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 213-252 (102.8 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[mighty stump]

Theyre not separate

[autumn vault]

I sent the combo of both under those calcs

[mighty stump]

Indeedee being yhe obvious pair and LO being an extremely good item for it

I know

I just don’t believe Sand is it

[timber falcon]

guys whats that one lando-I set thats good

ive forgotten

[mighty stump]

You’re completely ignoring the rest of the team members surrounding the Restricteds

[autumn vault]

Using sand to success might be very hard, and maybe impossible, but i will try to make it good

[tough idol]

The sub set?

[autumn vault]

It will take a very long time ik

But i am the Sand lord

And i can use sand with Zacian

[timber falcon]

idk it was this one monke or drago gave me, something about casual japanese set idk

it had some bulk investments

[molten oasis]

probably monke cuz i dont run lando i much

[autumn vault]

252 SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Helping Hand Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 153-180 (73.9 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Random fact as well

[molten oasis]

aaand how doesit kill it back

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Life Orb Tyranitar High Horsepower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 161-190 (92 - 108.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after sandstorm damage

[timber falcon]

yeah but thats 0 everything

[molten oasis]

theres no way people arent running bulk

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Life Orb Tyranitar High Horsepower vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 161-190 (91.4 - 107.9%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after sandstorm damage

[molten oasis]

on miraidon

[autumn vault]

I added bulk on miraidon

[molten oasis]

thats not bulk lol

[timber falcon]

4 hp

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Life Orb Tyranitar High Horsepower vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Miraidon: 159-187 (90.8 - 106.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after sandstorm damage

[molten oasis]

it matters but its not what i was refering to

[autumn vault]

Yes i get it

[mighty stump]

if 4 EVs count as bulk then tissue paper stops bullets

[autumn vault]

Sand is bad, ik

[molten oasis]

lmfao

im dying

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Life Orb Tyranitar High Horsepower vs. 0 HP / 140 Def Miraidon: 138-164 (78.8 - 93.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage
252+ Atk Life Orb Tyranitar High Horsepower vs. 220 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 161-190 (79.3 - 93.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage
here is actual bulk (assuming it is buffing one stat)

[tough idol]

I'm sure someone had a Miraidon spread (potential) with around 138 HP

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Life Orb Tyranitar High Horsepower vs. 204 HP / 4 Def Miraidon: 159-187 (79.1 - 93%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage

[mighty stump]

These just look like

Random numbers

[autumn vault]

the 4 defense evs are added and lowered hp to just survive HH (Actual bulk)

[patent marsh]

idk what I'm smoking but I don't think bolt + walking wake is a good idea

[stray badger]

Why are some Showdown sprites 3D models, others are custom 2D sprites, and most Gen 9s are the Box Sprites?

I have a Gen 7 3D model, Gen 8 2D sprite, and Gen 9 2D artwork

[timber falcon]

i think u can change it

[tough idol]

Is Ttar even gonna live to get a High Honsepower off if Miraidon has chunked first. Obv assuming partner mon is faster than Ttar (Bundle)

[stray badger]

I'm mostly referring to the sprites I see in Team builder

I don't think H-Goodra has ever been given an official 2D sprite

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5ani/goodra-hisui.gif

[stray badger]

It's all over the place and it doesn't change if I select "use modern sprites for last generations"

[solid frigate]

does that kinda count or you mean modern? sprite?

[smoky hawk]

Is Zacian going to be the top used restricted again?

[tough idol]

Not a chance

[smoky hawk]

It has only been slightly nerfed

[patent marsh]

-20 atk is pretty big

plus it's signature move is just a vanilla 100 bp move

[tough idol]

Miraidon and Terapagos are what I'm thinking will be Top 2.

[molten oasis]

no way sorry lol

[patent marsh]

since no dynamax

[molten oasis]

its caly shadow

caly shadow is fucking stupid good

[smoky hawk]

Gen 3s, 8s, and 9s will probably be the only restricteds used

[molten oasis]

lunala is pretty good

[stray badger]

Rilaboom and H-Goodra have pixel sprites, Incineroar has a 3D model, and Gholdengo has its menu art sprite

[timber falcon]

tbhi havent seen much of it

[tough idol]

You still need a Caly right? @molten oasis

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 792: Lunala

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

Shadow Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/113/89/137/107/97

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.26.4

[patent marsh]

I think it's between calyrex and probably groudon cause of past paradox favouring the boost from sun(and flutter my goat is good with it)

[molten oasis]

no cuz i aint using it

[solid frigate]

Lets just say they need to nerf that mf in the next gen

[molten oasis]

yes i do need one

[patent marsh]

[solid frigate]

Miraidon would be better than Terapagos cuz its not really a tera hog like Terapagos and it actually does damage before terapagos can do its damage

[tough idol]

I got you then. 😉

[smoky hawk]

Lead with groudon and fluttermane 😬 sounds scary

[molten oasis]

idt miraidon is better than terapagos

[solid frigate]

i just feel like it would consider Terapagos is a set up heavy mon

[molten oasis]

thats fine

it being a set up mon is fine

zacian is a set up mon now

[solid frigate]

GET THIS DEMON OUT OF HERE

[smoky hawk]

I'm excited about Miraidon. Are we going to finally see the true potential of future paradoxes?

[molten oasis]

you cant go unga bunga behemoth blade anymoe

[smoky hawk]

Plus, miraidon basically invalidates amoonguss

[patent marsh]

🤷‍♀️

[molten oasis]

im also starting to consider running sacred sword over play rough

no, it doesnt invalidate amoonguss

it invalidates SPORE not the mon as a whole

[solid frigate]

Bethemoth Blade is Enough but Fighting Type Coverage can be nice

[molten oasis]

i cant hit steel and fire types and guess what im seeing a lot rn

[smoky hawk]

So, it invalidates the primary reason to use it. Sounds pretty big to me

[molten oasis]

rage powder is still really good

[solid frigate]

also yes Sacred Sword is the last thing i want to see against Terapagos

[molten oasis]

its still a very very good mon

saying e terrain invalidates it is crazy

[patent marsh]

plus you could also swap your own terrain setter in to contest the terrain

[autumn vault]

rage Powder and pollen puff still exists

[patent marsh]

it really depends how you play and your team is built tbh

[autumn vault]

along with replacing e-terrain to make spore more useful

[solid frigate]

Terrain+Weather war moment

[molten oasis]

its also a tr answer still

and miraidon isnt gonna be on every team

[autumn vault]

and it is goofy

[tough idol]

Right im off to roll a Drum Monkey outbreak

[autumn vault]

But seriously it is the best redirection pokemon imo

[patent marsh]

gud luck

[solid frigate]

Honestly,I rather Terapagos to be Slow and Bulky-

rather than gets fucked up by fighting Moves

[smoky hawk]

Ok I get it, people will still use amoonguss

[autumn vault]

and a lot

[patent marsh]

most people will pair terapagos with trickroom no since it's pretty slow already?

[solid frigate]

most teams but still

[autumn vault]

the snow teams and calyrex ice will make it more difficult to use, but amoonguss has survived harsher conditions

[smoky hawk]

Now, is Koraidon worth using for sun when Groudon exists? Or vice versa? I understand the former is very weak to flutter

[solid frigate]

as far as i can see, Not really

[molten oasis]

its in the awkward speed tier so idt its gonna be run with tr

[solid frigate]

85 Speed is very nice

[molten oasis]

ive seen tw with it

[patent marsh]

then wouldn't they just get punished a lot by faster mons with fighting moves?

[solid frigate]

I want to re arrange Terapagos's Stats honestly

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos

Type

Normal

Abilities

Tera Shift

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/65/85/65/85/60

Total

450

Other Formes

Terapagos-Terastal, Terapagos-Stellar

SableyeBot version 4.26.4

Ability: Teraform Zero

Terapagos: Terastallizing ends the effects of weather and terrain. Once per battle.

SableyeBot version 4.26.4

[smoky hawk]

Terapagos can be used to counter groudon and kyogre's weather. Forgot about that

[patent marsh]

+1 252 Atk Zacian Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Terapagos: 128-152 (64.9 - 77.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 Atk Zacian Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Terapagos: 170-202 (86.2 - 102.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
then there's also chien-pao and urshifu who aren't restricted mons

[solid frigate]

Here's How i would rearrange it

Terastal Form
HP:110
Attack:80
Defense:115
Sp.Attack:110
Sp.Defense:115
Speed:70

Stellar Form
HP:160
Attack:60
Defense:130
Sp.Attack:150
Defense:130
Speed:70

[patent marsh]

and nobody is going to run full def n hp like that

[molten oasis]

fuck no

that would be so op and you know it

[solid frigate]

IDC I AM A TERAPAGOS STAN WOHOO

[molten oasis]

...fair ig

[solid frigate]

like still i rather it can contend against Calyrex

[patent marsh]

wcyd

calyrex is literally combination mon

[solid frigate]

i just despise it-

[patent marsh]

look on the bright side

terapagos is 700bst when tera'd

[solid frigate]

nope i don't have Calyrex so i can't

[solid frigate]

but the stat spread feels off,Why Attack stat gets a buff when its not gonna use it

[tough idol]

Do these numbers include the ability that makes moves not effective at full HP

[patent marsh]

you can probs find someone to replay swsh on a different save to get one, just don't ask me since I just did it for someone

[patent marsh]

it's tera'd so that ability goes ppPoof

[solid frigate]

I SKIPPED GEN 8

[patent marsh]

if you count that pre tera ability this math is pretty much after that initial hit

[solid frigate]

wait this is not Terastal form this it normal form-

[patent marsh]

oh showdown has it set 2 two categories for it

ah that makes sense

+1 Lvl 50 252 Atk Zacian Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Terapagos-Stellar: 92-110 (17.5 - 21%) -- possible 5HKO

that makes a lot more sense

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-spin-fan-rope-gif-25248314

[tough idol]

Is that Terapagos set to lv50

[patent marsh]

they need to make the calculator not split forms like that

[solid frigate]

yeah don't think that Terapagos can live with that absurd

[tough idol]

110 dmg 21% looks like lv100

[patent marsh]

oh it's bugged it doesn't update the rest of the settings if you swap mon 💀

+1 252 Atk Zacian Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Terapagos-Stellar: 110-130 (41.1 - 48.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 252 Atk Zacian Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Terapagos-Stellar: 146-172 (54.6 - 64.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

why is the tera raids fork not bugged like this

[molten oasis]

what?

oh good i was so confused lol

[patent marsh]

showdown calc bugged if you swap the mon it doesn't set the rest of the settings properly

[molten oasis]

ah i see

[patent marsh]

+1 252 SpA Terapagos-Stellar Tera Starstorm vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zacian: 82-96 (49.1 - 57.4%) -- 94.9% chance to 2HKO

[solid frigate]

+1 252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Close Combat vs. 156 HP / 100 Def Terapagos-Stellar: 366-432 (73.2 - 86.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[smoky hawk]

For sun: groudon > koraidon?

[solid frigate]

+1 228+ SpA Terapagos-Stellar Tera Starstorm vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 118-139 (70.6 - 83.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Well

[tough idol]

This was the number I was after

[solid frigate]

this is technically my Terapagos set-

Terapagos-Stellar
Level: 50
Modest Nature
Tera Type: Stellar
Ability: Teraform Zero
EVs: 156 HP / 100 Def / 228 SpA / 20 SpD / 4 Spe

• Tera Starstorm
• Calm Mind
• Meteor Beam
• Protect

[patent marsh]

koraidon probably wait til we get 2 restricted

[solid frigate]

I might bring Kyogre or someone else but idk my second choice

[patent marsh]

I mean

rn we can only bring 1

so just think which one you think is good then make rest of team around it

[solid frigate]

ik Terapagos is my first one,now i need to think my second one

[patent marsh]

why second one

you can't bring another restricted

unless you mean

different team

[solid frigate]

during the second restricted. ik i am preping early

[patent marsh]

no need to think that now

cause no info anyways

[solid frigate]

ik i just prep too early like irl

[tough idol]

Very early lol. Isn't Reg G upto end of August

[solid frigate]

yeah i just always prep too Early

cuz i am paranoid everytime

[patent marsh]

hmmm

I need urshifu 💀

[solid frigate]

during the last match Someone is too Cocky and gets hammered down by Ogerpon

Terapagos faint early btw

[tough idol]

You already caught you're SV Kubfu?

[patent marsh]

no no as in I need to add urshifu to my team

[tough idol]

Ah

[patent marsh]

I still have that kubfu to catch

but dunno what ball I wanna try

we use this and calyrex ice surely :copium:

actually giraffe might be better

[solid frigate]

[tough idol]

I tempted to try my Psy team with Lunala instead of Crown

[patent marsh]

doesn't calyrex shadow have expanding force?

[tough idol]

Lunala back in the box you go

[patent marsh]

it might work with indeedee since indeedee can use follow me and let caly s naturally being fast handle it

[last yarrow]

I figured out spiritomb can learn trickroom & helping hand for some reason so to avoid having more than 2 psychic types I might see if I can make a support spiritomb work somehow

[tough idol]

Bit frail iirc

[patent marsh]

and no follow me

trick room least of your concerns if you play caly s since it's stupidly fast if you invest speed

caly ice maybe

[last yarrow]

I don't have DLC and I'm planning on making this team for the in-game ladder when reg G is up, got pretty much all my legendaries off trade for shinies

[patent marsh]

calyrex knows pollen puff is kinda cringe

[solid frigate]

honestly,Why

[patent marsh]

cause having more utility while hitting like a truck is good

[solid frigate]

Better Nerf Calyrex

[tough idol]

Got my own Restricted mon running loose in the flat atm. Someone's decided it's play time

[patent marsh]

pupper go brrrr

[tough idol]

Kitteh go brrr

[stray badger]

It would be so easy for me to just do that

[patent marsh]

o

[tough idol]

Except didnt you want Shiny team?

[patent marsh]

right I can stop running booster on flutter

[stray badger]

There's a word I'm thinking of that I always forget

I know it's not narcissist

[tough idol]

Masochist?

[stray badger]

That's it

[patent marsh]

strange why is this on urshifu

ah right it's because I swapped it's scarf from flutter

[tough idol]

You probably swapped old item onto something that needed it

[stray badger]

Using meta pokemon
Using your favorite pokemon

[tough idol]

I had a Sash Lando at one point when I yoinked the scarf

[patent marsh]

[stray badger]

Though that probably doesn't work as well as it does in Splatoon where all of your choices are mostly balanced with each other

[tough idol]

My favourite isn't in SV

[solid frigate]

Me with Terapagos:

[stray badger]

Then SV shall burn

[tough idol]

No guesses which it is

[stray badger]

Big Doofus

[solid frigate]

Bidoof

[patent marsh]

bring back megas when

[stray badger]

"You had enough fun with the true god of pokemon in PLA/BDSP"

[solid frigate]

Zygarde:WHATS UP

[tough idol]

The cat keeps stealing Groudon and putting it in her bed

[stray badger]

2025

[solid frigate]

LOL

[stray badger]

The question now is if Megas will be in Gen 10

PLA introduced a new battle style that isn't in Gen 9

[solid frigate]

ZA will be Gen 9

[tough idol]

I'm imaging yes, as they'll be putting effort into new Megas, which won't see a Competitive use unless Gen 10 is Megas too.

[patent marsh]

mega charizard Z surely copium

[stray badger]

It's one of the strange in-between games, like how Let's Go is Gen 7 and PLA is Gen 8

[solid frigate]

[tough idol]

Unless ZA has its own Comp, Gen 10 Megas makes sense over a new gimmick

[patent marsh]

it probably will be back in gen10 cause 10 gen milestone gotta be made special too

[stray badger]

I mean they put a lot of work in Gigantamax mons and they only lasted 1 game

[patent marsh]

just hopege they don't stuff every mechanic into it

and actually make it messy

[solid frigate]

imagine National Dex

[patent marsh]

we're at 1025 rn

[tough idol]

ZA prob isn't the same tier of game ie SwSh, SV. More a side game like PLA

[patent marsh]

they'll add around 100 pokemon give or take

so we'll be around 1125 by gen 10?

[stray badger]

I know, I just called it an in-between game like Lets Go and PLA

I'm saying that just because they put a lot of effort in new forms doesn't mean that they won't ditch it in the next game

[patent marsh]

teras+megas would be cool to try for gen 10

[tough idol]

Let's all just hope Tera doesn't return in some form.

[patent marsh]

just make sure mega kangaskhan doesn't have power up punch and facade

[stray badger]

Divergent Mons are the worst gimmick, it's literally just regional forms with a different name

Even Paradox Mon have the time travel stuff (even though Hisui regionals exist)

[tough idol]

In before lazy design in a future game and they 180 flip future/past mons to the other one, ie Future Misdreavus, Past Iron Hands

[patent marsh]

tbh

now that we've done it

it will probably happen

[tough idol]

We need more combination mons

Drag Calyrex into Gen 10 DLC and make 2 new honses as an example. Or just straight new stuff

[patent marsh]

they won't make new horses

we'll probably get new combination pair

if they continue with dlc

they could either have the 3rd legendary in base game be the one to fuse the 2 box legendaries

[tough idol]

They make too much money to not continue mainline dlcs

[patent marsh]

or make dlc be story continuation like they did in sV and have dlc2's legendary fuse with box legendaries

I would prefer the former

[tough idol]

I enjoyed SV DLC more story wise. SwSh for content.

[patent marsh]

kinda sadge everything in SV is shiny locked

also thank christ we don't have xerneas and yveltal in SV they would probably be too much with tera

[tough idol]

I'd have preferred if the DLC returning legends had been behind a super tera raid sort of thing

[patent marsh]

ye fr fr

and make not shiny locked and have same shininess for everyone so people can host em

cause DA's 1/100 is still super cringe since you're going through potentially 4 mons that can get the shininess

[tough idol]

I mean like how do ppl without NSO get the group only legends.

[patent marsh]

I mean they kinda did that

to make people buy it

[tough idol]

Unless I missed something they locked a part of the player base out of things.

[patent marsh]

besides smash and splatoon feels like pokemon is the one that uses NSO the most, think most people with mario kart usually do couch co-op

[tough idol]

Monster Hunter 👻

[patent marsh]

pc better

[tough idol]

A good 75% + need the online for completion

[tough idol]

I know but

[molten oasis]

so far with the scared sword expreiment

its pretty good

[stray badger]

It's strange that gens 5, 7, 8 so far are the generations with a pokemon fusing gimmick. What arbitrary numbers

[tough idol]

Its whatever idea some guy came up with round the water cooler prob.

Hey guys wouldn't it be cool if we let Pokemon change type instead of being bigger.

[stray badger]

Unless you also count Machamp and Golem evolving, which I don't

[molten oasis]

lmao

[stray badger]

This time it was "gah, just give em their got dang Megas back"

[tough idol]

👻

[molten oasis]

i stg if that happens

[solid frigate]

NO.

[tough idol]

Mega Fluttermane and watch the World Burn

[atomic mural]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2094590176-kjqf751avdyw4ircq0b08f7lyyg75zjpw

[timber falcon]

cant wait for that in gen 15, incineroar and mirai falling to 0% usage, whilst mega tera arceus becomes viable

[tough idol]

LOL

[atomic mural]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2094587277-mdawjk7k2cvhrep5o7msd14mf0j8i0tpw

very goofy set

[solid frigate]

thats almost a mirror Match

[timber falcon]

TURN ONE?

wrong reply

[atomic mural]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-fail-wrong-reply-wrong-reply-laugh-at-this-user-epic-fail-gif-21720518

https://pokepast.es/c15d9acd25b4a1d7 thing is my team isnt even that annoying

[timber falcon]

no way they ignored the 2x atck proto boosted ihands

[solid frigate]

Quark Drive*

[timber falcon]

ah yeah

[molten oasis]

oh thats OTOT

you change your name a lot

[last yarrow]

This is probably a stupid question but is protect important on trick room teams as well opposed to more coverage and offense?

[molten oasis]

you should have protect on tr teams yes

[timber falcon]

THIS WAS FOR YESTERDAY

[molten oasis]

ok but like

[timber falcon]

i just forgot to change

[atomic mural]

bro I thought I was fighting you until this https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2094590176-kjqf751avdyw4ircq0b08f7lyyg75zjpw

[molten oasis]

you change your name and pronouns on like, a daily basis

[last yarrow]

Alrighty, I'ma swap some movesets because I barely play competitive as is and have literally never touched trickroom but I wanna make a decent counter for the dang aidons before they hit the in-game ladder

[timber falcon]

about time i went to regular i guess

[molten oasis]

lol

yea im not running miraidon rn

https://pokepast.es/035db5b262ffb0fa im running this

[atomic mural]

nice

[craggy dagger]

howl zacian nice

[atomic mural]

ting lu based

[molten oasis]

zac doesnt have playrough

because being walled by steel and fire sucks

[next stump]

it depends on the pokemon

trick room out of all archetypes tends to run the fewest protects

[timber falcon]

oh u still running howl?

[molten oasis]

im giving it another shot

[bold geode]

Out of context, that sentence is wild

[molten oasis]

its better than i thought

but also

ting lu does so much (ie says fuck you to caly)

[solid frigate]

but still feel offended

from that

[atomic mural]

im just confused my the spread of evs

[timber falcon]

groudon gaps simply

[solid frigate]

[atomic mural]

obviously i dont use the team so I wouldnt know

[bold geode]

Fuck you, I thought about that

[molten oasis]

lmfao

[atomic mural]

if ting lu just a trick room counter

[molten oasis]

why would i not run minimum speed'

what am i outspeeding

[atomic mural]

um other ting lus (big brain)

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/0d8aeb288526b2a6
I'm running this now,since i tested and this team with Tofu and Drago help me edit

[molten oasis]

oh no (i have a fucking zacian and a urshifu)

[autumn vault]

Power herb but no meteor beam?

[solid frigate]

wait i forgot to change the set

https://pokepast.es/c41af1045d1d5124
Here

[autumn vault]

Now there is MB

[molten oasis]

anyone wanna bo3

[timber falcon]

me

[solid frigate]

i might replay Xenoblade 2 so yeah not really sorry

[molten oasis]

isnt xenoblade like a 40 hour game

[molten oasis]

k

[solid frigate]

i know NG+ so i can breeze through games (And i beat it in 30 Hours in first try so i might as well

try to beat my record

[molten oasis]

fair

[timber falcon]

user Totorules btw

[solid frigate]

yeah Level 99 and alos maxed Aegis shouldn't took that long in fights

[solid frigate]

Yeah.

[molten oasis]

sent OTOT

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2094408007?p2

Me:Terapagos is down what should we do??

Tornadus and Incineroar:Don't worry we have an Ogre

[autumn vault]

We saw that before Torrent

[solid frigate]

Not Drago i think

[autumn vault]

I did

[tough idol]

Still got my 5 1sts lol. Good job noone plays anymore

[solid frigate]

Sorry

[autumn vault]

and doing a gg xd is like doing a gg ez

its toxic, dumb and shows you are a noob

ofc it's my opinion

[solid frigate]

ik you said this before

also why does he not use Double Intimidate at the start-

[solid frigate]

and also He used a snow set but forgot i have 2 fire types

[autumn vault]

Wow

The highlighted comment is what inspired me to build a sand team in reg G, and yes ik it isn't a perfect anti meta pick, it gets beat down by several pokemon

[molten oasis]

gg

[timber falcon]

gg

[atomic mural]

what about playing it through

[molten oasis]

run it back?

[timber falcon]

sure

[atomic mural]

NeilVGC Video is crazy

[autumn vault]

True

As an RPG master it can work, but we have to patch it's weaknesses

[atomic mural]

BRO HE USED MY SPREAD LETS GOO (thats how you know its a viable miraidon ev spread)

[autumn vault]

Good thing my zekrom is prepared for miraidon

[atomic mural]

nuh uh

[autumn vault]

Its a dragon dance zekrom

Remember when my Zekrom murdered your miraidon?

[solid frigate]

Zekrom moment

[atomic mural]

um taunt ogerpon?

[autumn vault]

Who the fuck will run taunt on ogerpon?

[atomic mural]

me

thats who

[solid frigate]

could work

[autumn vault]

Besides i have redirection and FO so good luck

[atomic mural]

not untill I taunt that

[solid frigate]

but Prankster exists

[tough idol]

End the argument. Do a Bo3

[solid frigate]

i rather use Prankster mon for taunt

[autumn vault]

Nah it is too late

[atomic mural]

ok but dark types just counter that

[autumn vault]

Past my sleep schedule

[atomic mural]

thast why I like taunt on fast pokemon

[solid frigate]

we know.

but i use prankster for different reason

[autumn vault]

Good night humans

[atomic mural]

good night\

[timber falcon]

nighty night

gg

[molten oasis]

gg

[atomic mural]

calyrex ice crazy

[timber falcon]

ez to use

[molten oasis]

clearly

[timber falcon]

ive never loved farigiraff so much though

[molten oasis]

can we go again?

[timber falcon]

sorry i think ima end my showdown playing for the day here

[molten oasis]

lovely

[timber falcon]

but i do think the WP activation cost u the last game, did u forget?

[molten oasis]

im tilted

caly ice pisses me off

[timber falcon]

oh yeah i get that

[molten oasis]

and i dont have amoonguss immnities and im back to thinking that gouging fire is extremely mid

the fact

all you need to do is spam helping hand glacial lance

[timber falcon]

isnt rilla immune?

[molten oasis]

and i cant do anything about it

[atomic mural]

okidogi 🔥

[molten oasis]

is bullshit

yea until it explodes to caly

[timber falcon]

i think u need a tr counter

[molten oasis]

no i need a caly counter

[timber falcon]

i dont think theres one

[molten oasis]

exactly

[timber falcon]

unless wisp?

[molten oasis]

there is no spot to put wisp

gouging fire doesnt get it

and now i miss incin

[timber falcon]

why did u swap him?

[molten oasis]

becasue gouging fire is apparently the only way to get zacian to work

[timber falcon]

wouldnt redirection also help?

[molten oasis]

thats what everyone is saying

yes im gonna redirect glacial lance

[timber falcon]

but yesterday u did much better without

[molten oasis]

after tilt queing for 30 minutes

[timber falcon]

i mean lance isnt that much of a prob for zacian, high horsepower is its biggest prob

[molten oasis]

idk man

it feels like i have to do some much extra thinking meawhile caly gets to SPAM GLAICAL LANCE

[timber falcon]

yeah i chose the easy route there lol

literally the only change i made to my reg F team was caly-ice and farig

[molten oasis]

im going back to what i had yesterday

gouging fire is so fucking mid

especially over incin

[timber falcon]

yeah i like the idea of intim. fake out and free dance

well its about time i go to bed, cya tomr

[molten oasis]

gn

im gonna go trash all my teams

[dull ibex]

Real

[pastel blade]

Does anyone have a Lunala set with wide guard?

[ancient crow]

shouldn't lunala be on TR?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 792: Lunala

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

Shadow Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/113/89/137/107/97

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.26.4

[chrome knot]

why would it be…?

[warped mason]

Thinking of running this as my 2nd team. Thoughts?

U turn should be volt switch

[atomic mural]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2094685615-7x73yevvzyg26p6z9zdi0qefsdlj0gnpw extremely close game

[atomic mural]

miraidon does not get electroweb?

[polar canyon]

Is zamazenta any good now that it has body press?

[atomic mural]

its a clean counter to terapagos

[polar canyon]

So other than that

[warped mason]

Oops

That's a little annoying

I guess bundle should be enough then for speed control

[polar canyon]

Zamazenta doesn't look too good so I'm just hoping there's like some secret tech people use

[atomic mural]

I didnt even know iron hands got play rough

[polar canyon]

Zamazenta copium

Iron hands doesnt look very playful

Does look rough

[warped mason]

Agreed

[atomic mural]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2094697348-w3yf5pwa8jvzwwbdufb63fb1z1oqqqopw another nail biter set

[cyan smelt]

Wtf why does miraidon hit so hard

Even with volt switch

[atomic mural]

stab bonus + electric terrain boost + Hadron Engine Special Attack Boost

[cyan smelt]

Busted mon

[atomic mural]

and with mine you also get the choice specs boost

[warped mason]

Will this outspeed calyrex shadow with booster speed?

Assuming timid max speed shadow rider

[atomic mural]

which pokemon?

[cyan smelt]

You might want to set that to level 50

[next stump]

yes

172 times 1.5

[atomic mural]

258 speed

[warped mason]

Oh its 1.5? I thought it was like 1.3 or 1.2

[next stump]

it’s 1.3 for anything besides SPE

[warped mason]

So it gets a scarf boost. Thats funny

[cyan smelt]

Ngl I kinda want to use iron leaves

[warped mason]

Any more thoughts on my team?

I guess miraidon should have protect since life orb