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autumn vault
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It also hates special fighting type moves

lofty tartan
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Yeah but almost every single one is bad arkeknine

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Like what... Focus Blast? XD

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I think Vacuum Wave has some good merit

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But yeah I hate Focus Blast. šŸ˜

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I played Crown at the start of Reg F and immediately decided hard no against Focus Blast. Does the same damage as Water or Ground Tera Blast and has bad accuracy.

autumn vault
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Never misses
A-Muk counter
Nice move to have
Fighting isn't in a good spot but it has its merits

lofty tartan
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Yeah but it has extremely low distribution and usually doesn't see play on things as a common pick

autumn vault
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true

lofty tartan
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The things that have it usually have way better options

autumn vault
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well i have to go for now, have a good day Herbie

lofty tartan
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Like Urshifu has it ...

šŸ‘€

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See ya blurplesphealwave

molten oasis
cloud gyro
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I want to try out comp, where is a good place to start?

lofty tartan
gentle cragBOT
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Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build PokƩmon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

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lofty tartan
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Just cracked top 2k in Master Ball with Venusaur šŸ’Ŗ

Small accomplishment, but big for Venusaur

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Last game he actually took down a Heatran for me. He's a good boy.

next stump
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sun teams seem so fun, congrats šŸ™‚

cloud gyro
gentle cragBOT
lofty tartan
# next stump sun teams seem so fun, congrats šŸ™‚

I'm actually having a blast with Wake/Venu. I know there are probably better picks than Venusaur, but his defensive typing with the high speed and option to sleep has been hitting a spot for me.

Also thank you! Top 2k with a mon that has .33% usage is a pretty killer way to go

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And he comes to most of my matches

next stump
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so many teams just donā€™t have an answer to venu

lofty tartan
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That Heatran gave me a lot of trouble - was a weird Snow team with Mamoswine and Atales. Sludge Bomb ate nearly all of his HP behind Veil. I only chipped with Icy Wind prior to it.

Lorb damage is sometimes surprising, but being able to sleep fast stuff is really spicy

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Honestly sometimes I just Sleep Powder even if there's an SE move RainbowShrug

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And people don't expect it to outspeed Scarf Urshifu so you can just get them with Giga Drain

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I love when they go for Uturn

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Mostly I just lead Wake/Venu and pick my Sun line from there if it's safe.

next stump
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what tera is your venu?

lofty tartan
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Fire. I was ghost first for Fake Outs but I just protect through them now

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I'm sorta skeptical on it but so far Fire has worked out well.

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Like you don't tera in front of Urshifu or Waterpon so Water is less vital

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Last match it came in clutch for Blizzard spam, too

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No, the match before. I played into two snow teams in a row xD

autumn vault
molten oasis
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How do you get a PokƩmon with 0 weaknesses, no Tera and no eelektross

autumn vault
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Uhhh

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Sableye and spiritomb in gen 3-5

molten oasis
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It does have something to do with eelektross

wispy delta
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Does anyone have a jirachi they might be willing to trade?

autumn vault
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you can do it with cress

autumn vault
wispy delta
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@autumn vault Iā€™ll beat you in a battle

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I already knew that

autumn vault
wispy delta
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@autumn vault no need to be scared if you canā€™t battle itā€™s fine

autumn vault
wispy delta
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6v6 1 legendary

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Send code ? Up for the challenge

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Not hostile just having fun and looking for jirachi

autumn vault
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There are better things to do than battle

wispy delta
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Ahhh we know

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Itā€™s ok

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šŸ“

autumn vault
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I am not a chicken

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I only play official formats anyways

wispy delta
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So letā€™s play official format singles

autumn vault
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I mean it seems like you arent being hostile unlike before

wispy delta
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Iā€™m not lol I just wanna make it intense

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So the battle could mean sum Iā€™m just playing around bro Iā€™m just looking for jirachi in all chats

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Discord is dry

autumn vault
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Well no need to go to every discussion chat

wispy delta
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Thatā€™s the best way

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Letā€™s battle šŸ„

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Send code

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1 legendary

autumn vault
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I am not really in the mood to battle ngl

molten oasis
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Dual typing

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Dark+_ typing

autumn vault
molten oasis
dapper crag
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- [Dark/Poison]
Immune

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Ghost, Grass, Poison

Neutral damage

Bug, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Ice, Normal, Rock, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Ground

Type Notes

Poison-types cannot be Poisoned.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1
patent marsh
molten oasis
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+levitate means no weaknesses

patent marsh
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I was about to say dark poison with levitate if you mean to skill swap levitate

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since no dark poison has levitate innately

molten oasis
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Yea that works

bold geode
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Man I wonder what shit I'll see here today

molten oasis
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Kermit spin, also Iā€™m about to get fired lol, i have to call out again. Iā€™ve been hacking and sneezing all day I do not think I should go in

bold geode
autumn vault
kindred cypress
bold geode
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3 words

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Palafin
Is
Ass

dapper crag
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Palafin's moveset:
Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aqua Jet, Aqua Tail, Astonish, Body Slam, Bounce, Close Combat, Counter, Dive, Double Hit, Drain Punch, Endeavor, Facade, Fling, Flip Turn, Focus Punch, Giga Impact, Hard Press, Ice Punch, Iron Head, Jet Punch, Liquidation, Outrage, Reversal, Take Down, Throat Chop, Waterfall, Wave Crash, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Aura Sphere, Blizzard, Boomburst, Chilling Water, Disarming Voice, Draining Kiss, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Water Gun, Water Pulse, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Agility, Bulk Up, Charm, Encore, Endure, Focus Energy, Haze, Helping Hand, Mist, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Supersonic, Taunt, Tickle

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Palafin.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1
charred saddle
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id say if ur going eject pack

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go acrobats

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u will have a hard time playing against opposing waterpon

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rilla as well, well most grass or fighting types too

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acrobat helps covering that

autumn vault
autumn vault
bold geode
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Not

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That mfer fell off hard

autumn vault
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True

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Trust me ik the reasons why it fell off

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Gyarados becoming the water type choice to counter arcanine amoonguss and palafin at the same time, Ursifu Raid Strike being the biggest reason and Azumarill becoming a replacement (Before urshifu)

nocturne holly
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Watershifu is so nice on my team rn

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Darkshifu is so much more fun tho

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I was a darkshifu believer before it became better šŸ˜­

ripe ember
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You'd have to be living under a rock to not believe in Urshifu whatever form xD

nocturne holly
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When watershifu was hella popular, reg d-e

ripe ember
autumn vault
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I was always a dark urshifu fan

nocturne holly
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I was a darkshifu believer during those time s

ripe ember
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but darkshifu was still insane back then lol

autumn vault
ripe ember
autumn vault
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Surging strikes was 25 damage with 3 hits

ripe ember
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that is not what you wrote though lol

autumn vault
ripe ember
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they have sucker punch vs aqua jet difference too

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which is really important

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it's a new Pokemon, normal not everyone is familiar with both forms at this point though

autumn vault
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True

ripe ember
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yah it has great usage stats I checked

nocturne holly
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I remember it overtook watershifu for a while

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Watershifus on top as of now tho

ripe ember
nocturne holly
ripe ember
nocturne holly
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But Iā€™m pretty sure darkshifu was better gen 8 too

ripe ember
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water is the one most used

nocturne holly
ripe ember
nocturne holly
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I may be wrong, but Iā€™m pretty sure darkshifu was more popular than watershifu for a while

ripe ember
nocturne holly
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Iā€™m pretty sure it was

ripe ember
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no

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it rised in usage and water decreased

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but water is still on top

nocturne holly
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This is going nowhere lmao

ripe ember
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it's easy to see anyway, most teams in tournaments run same Pokemon xD

craggy dagger
ripe ember
next stump
ripe ember
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single always behind in doubles

next stump
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dark higher usage here

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in Utrecht

craggy dagger
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oh weā€™re arguing which fighting bear is better-?

ripe ember
craggy dagger
nocturne holly
next stump
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Reg F

ripe ember
next stump
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iā€™m not sure, i donā€™t check pikalytics a lot

craggy dagger
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oh-
no yeah itā€™s reg F-
i think it was the most recent one?
or i donā€™t keep up that much

ripe ember
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oh you guys call these regulation in english ok ok

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oh this is tournament played with special rules I see

next stump
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itā€™s not

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itā€™s the standard VGC ruleset

ripe ember
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Yes these rules

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The special rules for events

next stump
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You have zero idea what youā€™re talking about lol

ripe ember
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They have you display your team on a sheet and list it

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Opponent can check it before clash

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It's new from gen 9

next stump
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Thatā€™s the standard method of play for all official tournaments

craggy dagger
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open team sheets have been around for a while-

ripe ember
craggy dagger
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well at least a year-

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donā€™t remember if swsh has ots

next stump
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Itā€™s been in place for 1.5 years and will remain in place at least until the end of this generation

ripe ember
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yeah it's gen 9 special rules right

next stump
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so yeah, itā€™s the official standard for VGC tournament play

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Thatā€™s not confirmed anywhere that itā€™s only for gen 8

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9*

craggy dagger
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so itā€™s new to gen 9 yes but itā€™s been around for the entirety of sv

next stump
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You and I would both be speculating

ripe ember
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it's not popular here

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lot of players dislike it, we prefer the ladder

next stump
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That also has literally nothing to do with Urshifu usage lol, itā€™s okay to just admit you were wrong about the usage rates for that one tournament

craggy dagger
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open team sheets is fun though

craggy dagger
next stump
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Thatā€™s great, I hope you keep enjoying that, but again thatā€™s pointless to the original argument you had

ripe ember
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cause I play ladder not events

next stump
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The person you were talking to was talking about tournament usage rate because for most people here, thatā€™s what they care about and watch

dull ibex
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What isn't popular here?

ripe ember
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never mentioned it

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I see stats for events 1st time in english

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here water more popular

dull ibex
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What does here mean?

craggy dagger
ripe ember
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is it like this all events for you Americans ?

dull ibex
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Do you mean ladder

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Yes water is more popular in ladder and non tourney play, but dark is favored in tourneys

craggy dagger
ripe ember
craggy dagger
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Global Chal is the exception i think

ripe ember
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you guys have different Pokemon events outside of here

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depends where you guys are

craggy dagger
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where is here KEKWCRY KEKWCRY KEKWCRY

ripe ember
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Pokemon home Japan

autumn vault
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where do YOU live?

ripe ember
craggy dagger
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owhhhh-
no yeah i think japan is all cts

ripe ember
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it's a thing they did for other zones

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here we don't like it so far

next stump
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Japan is notorius for having the worst competitive circuit in the world, you play 3 online best of 1 tournaments and qualify for one in-person event that only sends a small amount of players to worlds

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japanese players bitch about it all the time on twitter

craggy dagger
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Kyouko_smile

i wouldnā€™t say itā€™s ā€œspecialā€ rules since most of the world uses ots

ripe ember
autumn vault
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japan is like its own region sometimes

ripe ember
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they changed everything

craggy dagger
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rather it would be that japan uses special rules-
since the rest of the world uses that standard rule set-

ripe ember
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before you had to guess or have friends

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now they give info to everyone in event

craggy dagger
autumn vault
craggy dagger
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so youā€™ll have info regardless-
itā€™s just a matter of are you willing to put work into researching stuff

chrome knot
ripe ember
craggy dagger
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cause lots of people run the same moveset etc

ripe ember
craggy dagger
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wellā€¦
i guessā€¦
but you have that knowledge you could useā€¦
youā€™re not going in blind thatā€™s the thing

ripe ember
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vs knowing 100%, big difference

craggy dagger
chrome knot
craggy dagger
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true

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i mean im not one to talk cause i use stupid sets even though i usually accept ots KEKWCRY

chrome knot
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im borrowing 3 of rubys mons for a local and she had some crazy tech on her mons that are NOT standard for gcs lmfao

ripe ember
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new rules are not liked in japan

craggy dagger
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but japan also hates the old rules so like-

ripe ember
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remove a lot of fun and skill from game

chrome knot
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isnt japan circuit bo1 till certain cut?

craggy dagger
ripe ember
craggy dagger
craggy dagger
ripe ember
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going high on ladder is hard

craggy dagger
ripe ember
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even your simulator has the special rules with a king of the hill style

gentle delta
ripe ember
gentle delta
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Whats new about em im also new as of Gen 9

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So I wouldnā€™t know

ripe ember
charred saddle
ripe ember
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pokemon not like that before

gentle delta
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WELL WHATS THE OLD RULES

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IS WHAT IM ASKING FFS

ripe ember
chrome knot
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LOL

charred saddle
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ur basically just spewing "new rule. new rule"

explain bro

ripe ember
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we just explained them

charred saddle
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i dont even get the discussion

ripe ember
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scroll up, just had talk

charred saddle
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i read them. and i still dont get your point. its just about japan people not liking the "rules" ur talking about

ripe ember
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they're new

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might not come back gen 10 (at least we wish most lol)

molten oasis
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What is happening

charred saddle
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"new rule" apparently

molten oasis
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And what rule is that

ripe ember
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event rules

charred saddle
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"explained and talked"

craggy dagger
molten oasis
craggy dagger
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open team sheets and tourney formats

ripe ember
molten oasis
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Iā€™ll just, is it explained if I scroll up?

ripe ember
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why make new rules if not use them in Pokemon home

craggy dagger
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this started from-
fighting bear usage KEKWCRY KEKWCRY KEKWCRY

craggy dagger
ripe ember
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I'm explaining

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they're not popular here, it just is that

solid frigate
craggy dagger
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i-
it sounds like complaining when youā€™re saying you donā€™t like it and how just cause japan doesnā€™t use it, the world shouldnā€™t use it

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no the bear that bypasses protects

ripe ember
gentle delta
solid frigate
gentle delta
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I think its just weird they dont use the same local and CP structure

ripe ember
craggy dagger
ripe ember
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they have money to do whatever they want

craggy dagger
gentle delta
craggy dagger
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itā€™ll become a bomb

ripe ember
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already have menu with information during battle

craggy dagger
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i can confidently say that-
itā€™s not that easy-

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unless you want to run the game on 2fps

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which in that case, sure

ripe ember
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1 text layer

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it's super easy

craggy dagger
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hey why donā€™t you try coding that then?

ripe ember
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very unfriendly attitude

craggy dagger
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iā€™m getting frustrated cause this isnā€™t going anywhereā€¦
thatā€™s on me iā€™m sorry-

ripe ember
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yes that's on you but it's okay

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it's easy to do 1 text layer match team load in

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the info is already available in the game

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they make you wait forever for leftovers animation lol

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but 1 layer of text makes the game explode... yeah sure

craggy dagger
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no-
while it is easy to make a text interface, the code itself would be really hard to implement cause you keep switching teams-
itā€™s not like youā€™re locked into one team for the entire game and you canā€™t add new pokemon.
and that cloud storage is gonna overdrive the switch-

ripe ember
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just display it on text

craggy dagger
ripe ember
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it takes no space

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interface can already do it

craggy dagger
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for yourself-
yeah

ripe ember
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no for team object

craggy dagger
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huh?

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oh team preview yeah

ripe ember
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Just display this with team as an option

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it's already in the game

craggy dagger
solid frigate
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without EVs or IVs its very unpredictible on what the heck is going on

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cuz you can see it is a mid speed team and suddenly its a trick room team

ripe ember
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they could allow it for events or make it on interface for certain events

solid frigate
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you don't Get it*

gentle delta
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I commonly see Japanese players on twitter complain more about not being able to play events the way we do. Not many sharing your take Tiny

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Ots is overwhelmingly popular for good reason

ripe ember
gentle delta
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And neither are you

ripe ember
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But I don't dislike the new rules

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we just can't use them

craggy dagger
gentle delta
ripe ember
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this is very real

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rules are for events, they are new gen 9

gentle delta
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Im talking about your attitude as an individual and how you are addressing people in this chat

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You dont need to tell me what the vgc rules are lmao

ripe ember
gentle delta
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No

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I said what are the old rules

craggy dagger
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pretty sure prog knows more than you in terms of games-

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but perhaps prog can prove me wrong MumeiSmug

ripe ember
gentle delta
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Im near top in my country for points right now Im very familiar with the circuit rules as they currently are

gentle delta
ripe ember
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yes you ask rules cause you new gen 9

gentle delta
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You were not clear whether you were talking about closed sheet vs open sheet or if you were talking about things like the global challenge

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I asked you to elaborate and you talked down to me and others

craggy dagger
ripe ember
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no talk down

gentle delta
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And now you are falsely taking my words out of context to discredit me

ripe ember
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not you said the words

gentle delta
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You have no grasp of how to carry a conversation respectfully, so I am moving on from this one

ripe ember
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You are unfriendly, I try explaining best

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simple new rules for events gen 9, not in japan and not in ladder

ripe ember
craggy dagger
solid frigate
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imma head out

craggy dagger
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same

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i need to focus on shopping not this

solid frigate
bold geode
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Besides last convo

craggy dagger
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Monke!!
GuraWave

nocturne holly
craggy dagger
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dragon gambit owh

fickle magnet
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.

charred saddle
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gyattdayum

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LO chienpao hits like a truck

hoary marten
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Has anyone made AV rapid strike work before šŸ’€

charred saddle
charred saddle
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it was like a minimal invested attack

hoary marten
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Soul dew Latios is interesting

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Not in a bad way

charred saddle
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lives enough from tera fairy dgleam flutter

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@molten oasis do you happen to have the AV watershifu spread?

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i remember u or monke did it

hoary marten
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Idk if thereā€™s a word for it, but I feel like Iā€™ve had the equivalent of writers block but for team building recently

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I made and used a whimsicott sun team back in the first month of the format but since that I havenā€™t rly been able to build anything as good

charred saddle
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i try not to think much about it, i play when i want to

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i build when i have an idea, feels better for me

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and if i found a team i like, ill try to make it work

bold geode
molten oasis
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I forgot what it does, but here

hoary marten
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Oh I meant by my original message if like, anyone has actually made that set work lol

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Also idk if anyone here plays any of those cart tournaments listed on stuff like limitless, but i wanted to ask if you do, how do u manage to not get tired after the 3rd/4th swiss round

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I feel like after the 4th round im just so mentally exhausted

molten oasis
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It can work ig

timber falcon
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didnt know it was a thing

molten oasis
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I like using meta mons in niche ways

ember linden
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Itā€™s not a good thing lol but it is a thing

molten oasis
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Yea av shifu ainā€™t it lol

ember linden
molten oasis
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On paper it sounds decent but in execution is pretty bad

ember linden
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Iā€™d only consider it if it could consistently live t-clap and then ohko bolt

timber falcon
molten oasis
ember linden
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Yeah

molten oasis
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Cuz it definetly canā€™t Ohko bolt lol

ember linden
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100 hp 4 def shifu just casually lives miracles seed 252+ grassy glide from rilla

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šŸ’€

charred saddle
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252+ Atk Miracle Seed Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 100 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike in Grassy Terrain: 156-186 (82.9 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

252+ Atk Miracle Seed Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike in Grassy Terrain: 158-188 (90.2 - 107.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

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both doesnt ohko

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well 43 but its quite unlikely

timber falcon
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also as i like making teams off mons that lost their glorius spotlight, anyone know how old raichu was ran?

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cause im at a loss for what made this thing usable

ember linden
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Fast fo šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø

timber falcon
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so full support build ig

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Raichu @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Lightning Rod
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 60 Atk / 196 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Tera Blast
  • Encore
  • Nuzzle
  • Fake Out
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hows this

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it was either encore or HH and i felt like encore better

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ice terablast for coverage

ember linden
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Raichu @ Focus Sash
Ability: Lightning Rod
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Thunderbolt
  • Upper Hand
  • Fake Out
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Something like this at least nowadays

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Last slot is up in the air

timber falcon
#

I like to put a spin on these said mons

ember linden
#

I would just run sash on it

timber falcon
#

yeah why not

ember linden
#

If you want to put a spin go ahead I just think something like that is the most viable

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Flying tera is an option if you donā€™t care about walling bolt

timber falcon
#

oh yeah i could do that..... ill think abt something like that

bold geode
#

Or streams

ember linden
#

Raichuā€™s role is usually just a disruptor support

timber falcon
gentle cragBOT
ember linden
#

YwSphealBounce

timber falcon
#

Raichu @ Focus Sash
Ability: Lightning Rod
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Upper Hand
  • Thunderbolt
  • Nuzzle
  • Fake Out hows this?
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i like the idea of nuzzle

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ik it cant touch ground types, but thats why there are 5 other slots for mons

ember linden
#

Just test nuzzle, encore, and hh

timber falcon
#

ok

ember linden
#

I think hh would seem most consistent but Raichu is so unexplored rn who knows

timber falcon
#

ill be the explorer then

ember linden
#

Whether that be a good or bad thing

timber falcon
#

any coverage ill need to tae care of that i cant see?

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its looking like a rain team rn though, it wont hurt to add that

ember linden
#

Raichu is enough Idk about Palafin

timber falcon
ember linden
#

Ok

molten oasis
#

Palafin isnā€™t good but, feel free to test it

timber falcon
#

but if its bad then its bad and ill let it go

molten oasis
#

Rillaboom kinda ruins its life

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So does ogerpon

timber falcon
#

maybe a fast hard hitting flying type to help him out

molten oasis
#

What is the point of Raichu

timber falcon
molten oasis
#

Then why are we also adding palafin

timber falcon
molten oasis
#

Rapid strike just looks way better there

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Or wellspring

timber falcon
#

yeah thats true

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ill go with ursh

ember linden
#

Yeah Rapid outclasses it in EVERY way soo

molten oasis
#

Surging strikes is just superior

timber falcon
#

cant argue with that

molten oasis
#

Ig lightning rod is nice to prevent bolt from ruining shifus life

timber falcon
#

now as i said, rain is looking mighty fine for the team

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wouldnt hurt for torn or smth to be here as i also like the ground immunity

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oh forgot rain dance

molten oasis
#

tera ghost

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dark is irrelevant

timber falcon
sage vale
#

Does anyone have recommendations for coaching? Hopefully looking for a place to voice coms over team building theory

timber falcon
#

any ogerpon sets that can still OHKO mons instead of just being rly bulky?

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waterpon

karmic temple
#

Wolf using hippowdon šŸ˜­

molten oasis
karmic temple
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My slack off king

timber falcon
molten oasis
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If you want offense you run Hearthflame

karmic temple
hoary marten
timber falcon
hoary marten
karmic temple
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There was I think

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Idk it just was something I saw on Twitter

timber falcon
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but i think rilla would be a better one here, and cant go wrong with 3 fake out mons PikaLmao

lofty tartan
#

Until you get in Psychic Terrain or play against Farigiraf.

timber falcon
hoary marten
#

^

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I have a special place for indeedee

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Full of hate

timber falcon
hoary marten
#

I hate that stupid little goat woman

timber falcon
#

indeedee 2nd place of my most hated mons to see om opposite team

hoary marten
#

Yes bro

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It has every single asset to be as annoying as physically possible

timber falcon
#

number 1 is armorouge by miles

lofty tartan
#

She's annoying, but also doesn't apply any pressure beyond TR. She's sorta weak to spread damage because she can't disrupt your targeting with Follow Me there.

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Snarl does some good work

hoary marten
#

Incineroar helps alot to ease the annoyance of indeedee

bold geode
hoary marten
#

Well psyspam as a whole

bold geode
timber falcon
lofty tartan
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Depends on which Psyspam I guess. Crown can definitely take down an Incineroar if they're not careful.

hoary marten
#

šŸ˜­

timber falcon
hoary marten
lofty tartan
bold geode
lofty tartan
timber falcon
lofty tartan
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Helping Hand Tera Blast Water/Ground OHKOs any bulky Incineroar from Crown

bold geode
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Watch Wolfe's new vid then tbh

timber falcon
#

is is the gliscor one?

bold geode
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No
The Charlotte one

timber falcon
#

oh when was that

lofty tartan
#

So Monke we're gonna have to push that event to this server too, if the comp helpers are fine with it.

bold geode
lofty tartan
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(I don't think they'd be against it)

timber falcon
bold geode
bold geode
timber falcon
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ok thanks a bunch

bold geode
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Yup

timber falcon
gentle cragBOT
lofty tartan
bold geode
lofty tartan
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I'll ask Dillon and Tofu but I sincerely doubt they'll say we can't advertise the event here.

Actually @next stump I'm a Limitless organizer and Monke has joined up with me to start putting on VGC events. Are we okay to advertise the tournaments here in any capacity?

supple ether
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Taking bets for dillon's response, 1- yes, 2- no
Payout 80% at odds. Buy in 1 shiny pokemon

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šŸ«”just doing my part

lofty tartan
bold geode
#

Better yet ask a mod too

lofty tartan
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Not a bad deal.

timber falcon
lofty tartan
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I reached out to a Mod.

shrewd scarab
timber falcon
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Welp

shrewd scarab
#

its self promotion, and youā€™d need to contact Seal about it

lofty tartan
#

I reached out to proton about the tournaments and explained that it would only be to advertise an event in this channel and never to advertise a discord. VGC events get posted in here otherwise, just not by the people running them.

It's fine if it's not okay - just trying to make more events for people RainbowShrug

bold geode
lofty tartan
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Yeah like if I have to get a self-promo role and follow the guidelines there, I'm willing.

shrewd scarab
lofty tartan
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That's fine.

shrewd scarab
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But again Iā€™d reach out to Seal about it

lofty tartan
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We're not trying to step on anything or anyone - so we'd be more than willing to do things by the book.

bold geode
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Yeah that's ok

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I'm happy to work by the rules

lofty tartan
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^^

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I can reach out to seal - I just didn't want to bombard a bunch of folks either BlobHyperSweats

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I'm usually content being patient xD

bold geode
#

Right

shrewd scarab
#

Understandable and thank you for understanding

lofty tartan
#

Hey not a problem at all. We just wanna get more events out there at accessible times šŸ˜„

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Appreciate you leveling with us GengHeart

shrewd scarab
#

I tried building a server for friendly tournaments before so I know how that is.

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I didnā€™t have enough time to keep it going but I appreciate stuff like that

lofty tartan
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I used to put on Pokemon TCG events, but I've since 100% moved over to VGC, so I'm reviving the grind lol

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I just had to wait for them to approve an Organization name change so I could get moving

chrome knot
#

won my pc, 97cp now :3

shrewd scarab
lofty tartan
#

Much appreciated GengHeart

bold geode
next stump
chrome knot
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yippieeee

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weā€™re so pro

echo hatch
#

Whatā€™s the deciding factor for choosing either entei or gouging fire? Is it mainly moveset?

next stump
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gouging fire is more supportive, entei is there more for damage mitigation + offensive prowess

echo hatch
next stump
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yes gouging would be worse IMO, not much benefits from howl either

echo hatch
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Oh okay true, i didnā€™t know howl was very common on gouging, I havenā€™t played against it much at all

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I feel like I see entei so much more even though I think his usage is less overall

charred saddle
#

and i kinda forgot draco has a miss chance, so yeah. sloppy end

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but its such a weird game KEKWCRY

cyan smelt
#

That would've been all over if they tera'd gholdengo into fairy

charred saddle
#

eh not really, im prepared to lose the chienpao to MiR

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did tera to reduce the dmg to pon

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i think after the 2nd shadow ball i just realized its specs

gentle delta
#

does anyone have a website for generating teamsheets thats not outdated?

#

tired of having to write in DLC mon stats by hand

raw lintel
#

anyone want to multi battle

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or know where me and my cousin can find some multi battles right now

chrome knot
gentle delta
autumn vault
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I have the pokemon but i need to get the right evs on tyranitar and test it on ladder and THEN send it to #rental_teams

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No one|| likes sand in reg f but i dont care i have to make my child charles the excadrill feel appreciated by not just me||

dapper crag
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Move: Upper Hand

Has a 100% chance to make the target flinch. Fails if the target did not select a priority move for use this turn, or if the target moves before the user.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

65

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Priority

3

Move Flags

ā€‹

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1
timber falcon
#

does this work on prankster taunt?

cyan smelt
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I think it works on prankster tw so it should work on prankster taunt

lofty tartan
#

Upper Hand fails vs non-damaging moves. It's like Sucker Punch and Thunderclap

cyan smelt
#

There's too much guesswork involved with upper hand imo

timber falcon
timber falcon
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Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 92 HP / 200 Atk / 4 Def / 112 SpD / 100 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Surging Strikes
  • Close Combat
  • Aqua Jet
  • U-turn
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hows this shifu set? calced to survive a 37.5% chance of sheer force Lorb lando

autumn vault
#

Wait i just saw the calc

#

Personally i would go Jolly for the set, needs more speed

charred saddle
#

question is. ur scarfed anmd only 100 speed investment

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have u done the calcs on what u wanna outspeed

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and tbf, idk if u wanna calc just to live lando when u are already winning the MU

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ur forcing them to tera just to live

#

ur scarfed

mighty stump
gentle cragBOT
mighty stump
#

You outspeed

#

So it's not really a relevant calc unless you plan on switching Urshifu-RS into Lando-I

mild wolf
#

Any build ideas for iron thorns?

mighty stump
#

Loaded Dice/Rock Blast used to be a thing.

#

With Tera Bug + Pin Missile

mild wolf
#

I ran a heracross with loaded dice + rock blast/ pin missile

#

What are threats for iron threads. It's a ground steel

mighty stump
#

At the moment? Urshifu-RS/Lando-I/Ogerpon/Gouging Fire

#

Off the top of my head

#

Ursaluna

cyan smelt
#

Steel roller is now its signature move

dull ibex
#

Hello

willow vault
#

Finally hit 1500 on showdown, that took quite a while but it feels good

willow vault
dull ibex
#

Suh

willow vault
#

Suh?

dull ibex
#

I was petting a cat

willow vault
#

Oh nice

dull ibex
#

yeah hes a cutie

#

I think im gonna ease off hanging out with him

#

eight hours to 10 hours a day is not sustainable forever lmao

timber falcon
mighty stump
#

Yeah but be specific, what bulk

#

Like living Lando with a sub-1/3 chance isnt specific

#

When there is the aforementioned consideration

timber falcon
#

So then what kinda calcs should I do for a semi-bulk ursh?

#

Cause Iā€™ve tried max max countless times and each and every one has failed me miserably

timber falcon
mild wolf
#

@cyan smelt @mighty stump steel roller was my interest in Iron thorns

timber falcon
mighty stump
#

Tera Water SS from Adamant Shifu still does 86-102 to bulkier Lando-I

#

It's teras are neutral

#

Like click U-Turn > Surging Strikes

#

The things you shuold be caring about is not dying Moonblast from Booster Spe Flutter Mane after you Tera

#

if you do 14% Urshifu is always in range to KO Lando-I

timber falcon
#

ok ill do that, but say i did want to calc an ursh to survive some neutral special attacks how would i go about that? i dont know which mons are the best to calc these with

#

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 156 SpD / 100 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Surging Strikes
  • Close Combat
  • Aqua Jet
  • U-turn hows this? i havent done calcs but i like that its not a pure Gc
mighty stump
#

Modest Mane/Wild Charge (Urshifu-Rapid-Strike)
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 204 HP / 164 Atk / 140 SpD
Adamant Nature

If you want a defensive set

#

Lives 156+ Wild Charge from Iron hands
Lives Specs Moonblast from Modest Mane after Tera

#

If you want a faster variant

#

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 4 Def / 140 SpD / 84 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Surging Strikes
  • Aqua Jet
  • Close Combat
  • Protect

Lower attack bump for Spe investment

timber falcon
#

ill try it out thanks for the sets

next stump
#

hard trick room on stream in the top 4 of a latin america regional

ripe ember
timber falcon
#

spread?

#

if u mean the ability, i changed that

molten oasis
#

Im guessing he meant steel maybe

#

Wait why are you modest

#

Isnā€™t that kinda overkill

ripe ember
#

why spread damage on lando and not taunt

#

then cut useless raichu

#

pick good Pokemon

molten oasis
#

its sub or sandsear mostly

#

raichu for this team is the core idea, it does help a little bit with some shifu mu

#

lighting rod is nice for electric redirection

charred saddle
#

tbf having sandsear is annoying to go against

#

waterpon playing against lando are usually forced to tera and follow me when lando torn are up and like tw is up too

#

the tthreat to get hit sludge bomb, but EP threat to the partner

#

follow me feels safe, till u hit the sandsear

#

then u basically wasted a tera, and passive turn just to get hit by a truck

ripe ember
#

no taunt oh

#

raichu i never see

next stump
#

hard TR losing in the finals of a regional tournament to an icicle crash flinch LOL

bold geode
#

What
Damn

molten oasis
#

It sucks

charred saddle
#

ye

dapper crag
#
Move: Sandsear Storm

Has a 20% chance to burn the target. If the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, this move does not check accuracy. If this move is used against a Pokemon holding Utility Umbrella, this move's accuracy remains at 80%.

Type

Ground

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

80

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

ā€‹

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1
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Ability: Sheer Force

This Pokemon's attacks with secondary effects have their power multiplied by 1.3, but the secondary effects are removed. If a secondary effect was removed, it also removes the user's Life Orb recoil and Shell Bell recovery, and prevents the target's Anger Shell, Berserk, Color Change, Emergency Exit, Pickpocket, Wimp Out, Red Card, Eject Button, Kee Berry, and Maranga Berry from activating.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1
charred saddle
#

100 bp + 30% LO + 30%% Sheer force

#
  • STAB
#

*75% for spread

molten oasis
#

it hits so hard

charred saddle
#

very

#

i mean like sub is also nice

#

just that sandsear is very annoying to play against

molten oasis
#

sub allows for mindgmaes

#

and then some protection

charred saddle
#

ye ye

#

also caopitalizing opposing sides protect turns

#

if u read them right

molten oasis
#

mhmm

timber falcon
#

thats gotta absolutely hurt

next stump
#

vikavolt won a local LOL thatā€™s sick

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charred saddle
#

for a sec i thought they won with 6 vikavolt KEKWCRY

next stump
charred saddle
#

wait is that shiny darkshifu sprite?

#

is that to differentiate the types?

next stump
#

i think thatā€™s the GMAX dark ursh

charred saddle
#

ah

craggy dagger
#

gmax make it easier to be able to differentiate
dunno why i didnā€™t think of this :0

echo hatch
#

I need someone to tell me that Dragapult stocks are going up after finding a shiny today

craggy dagger
#

pult fits its niche wellā€¦
thatā€™s all i need to say PikaLmao

echo hatch
#

Now to just make its niche useful GengarSad

craggy dagger
#

i feel like the fact that pult didnā€™t get poltergeist killed its usage a bit

echo hatch
#

Why would they do this

#

Just to make me suffer

craggy dagger
#

thereā€™s power herb phantom force, scarf, band, etcā€¦

echo hatch
#

Itā€™s def still useable it just needs a lot of strong teammates and support that I donā€™t usually like using

craggy dagger
#

i can try to whip something up really quickly

craggy dagger
#

i've only adjusted fire's tera ;-;

willow vault
#

Iā€™d add something that can take better advantage of your use of rain, but you know what your doing

echo hatch
potent garden
#

Why would you put speed evs on ogerpon in a trickroom team? I have already seen many trickroom teams where they put speed evs on the ogerpon

#

And idk why

#

sorry for my bad english

next stump
#

Ogerpon is usually used outside of trick room on those teams

echo hatch
#

^

potent garden
gentle cragBOT
potent garden
#

im new and im learning to play competitive but with a trick room team

#

thx!

chrome knot
#

is it the cornerstone pon? :>

charred saddle
#

even if pon is slower in TR, if its a supportive set, follow me is still prio

potent garden
echo hatch
potent garden
gentle cragBOT
potent garden
#

someone wanna test the team vs me in showdown?

#

im very bad but i wanna train xD

echo hatch
#

I could hop on in a little bit šŸ™‚

chrome knot
echo hatch
#

All my homies hate fighting this team^

potent garden
chrome knot
#

o yikes

potent garden
#

but not gallade

chrome knot
#

gallade is a monster

potent garden
#

galarian articuno with iron ball

chrome knot
#

she won me my pc yesterday lmfao

potent garden
#

for counter incineroar

chrome knot
#

clear amulet gallade kinda messed up incin lmao

echo hatch
chrome knot
#

yeah i just know the girl who made that team so it was very easy to pick up for me

craggy dagger
chrome knot
#

rubySphealBounce

potent garden
#

Since attacks like snarl and electroweb are used a lot now, I thought it would be a good counter to raging bolt

#

For competitive

chrome knot
#

if ur playing tr

craggy dagger
chrome knot
#

you give no fuck about speed drops

chrome knot
#

they went full in on tera dark shifu and at that point i alr won lol

craggy dagger
#

oh no yeah that sounds like you sealed the game

chrome knot
#

bc my game was

#

tera grass arma next to torkoal vs incin d-urshi amoonguss lando that game

#

was so free as soon as i saw turn 1

#

ohohoh wanna see the good luck plushy i brought

potent garden
#

and I haven't even started playing competitively yet xD

craggy dagger
chrome knot
#

glaceon !!!

bold geode
echo hatch
#

CUTE

craggy dagger
chrome knot
#

if we are @ same regional ill THROW it at you

craggy dagger
#

yes-

#

oh-
lightning rod absorbs your own electric attacks too-

chrome knot
#

LOL

craggy dagger
#

i just lost a pikachu to that

molten oasis
craggy dagger
molten oasis
#

Imo thatā€™s the best way to run pult

craggy dagger
molten oasis
#

With pao

craggy dagger
#

i took like-
10 min to make that team xD

molten oasis
#

Lol all good

craggy dagger
#

it looks okay though right..?

chrome knot
#

whyd you lock into aqua jet ? cx

craggy dagger
#

i forgot i was scarfed

bold geode
#

Guys ready for me to blow minds

nocturne holly
#

What was the e shot in front of diglett for

#

*dugtrio

bold geode
#

So a regional in Taiwan happened

#

And now mons that have been added to the list of winning regionals in Reg F:
Ting Lu
Gouging Fire
Comfey
Latias
And last but not least
Okidogi

nocturne holly
#

DOGI W

#

IM LITERALLY DOGIS #1 FAN

echo hatch
#

YUCK

nocturne holly
#

I WAS A BELIEVER

nocturne holly
bold geode
#

Don't know
But apparently both finalists had Okidogi

#

So yeah someone won with the idea of Okidogi Comfey that I had weeks ago
Man if only I could follow through with shit

craggy dagger
nocturne holly
craggy dagger
#

oh-
that was supposed to be electro shot into meow-
but ig fake out killed it

chrome knot
#

fake out always kills there girly

craggy dagger
#

a 214 fake out yeah

nocturne holly
#

Bp would be better

#

or any other attacking move

#

I mean the idea was good
I always lock onto meow with archa in case FO doesnā€™t ko
And if it does you still hit dugtrio
But yea bp was better there

whole sundial
#

so far i have tailwind rib with sash and and assault vest muk. ape has no good matchups here

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molten oasis
craggy dagger
craggy dagger
nocturne holly
craggy dagger
#

tofuā€™s arch set-

nocturne holly
#

Also pikachu is cool

craggy dagger
#

this is tofuā€™s pika team he made-

nocturne holly
#

oh

#

w pika

craggy dagger
#

so true-

dapper crag
#
Item: Light Ball

If held by a Pikachu, its Attack and Sp. Atk are doubled.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1
craggy dagger
#

kekhands
stupid item

#

itā€™s doubled as in, after EVs itā€™s doubled

nocturne holly
#

if Kanye was a PokƩmon

#

Who would he be

#

Iā€™m thinking gambit

craggy dagger
#

uh-

bold geode
craggy dagger
#

i tried to flash cannon them-

#

not that it mattered poliwhirlkek

nocturne holly
bold geode
autumn vault
autumn vault
timber falcon
timber falcon
nocturne holly
#

Iā€™m not playing vgc everyday

timber falcon
#

i thought u were prepearing for a big event or smth lmao

nocturne holly
#

Nah

molten oasis
nocturne holly
#

Iā€™ve just been on and off with vgc

molten oasis
#

Have you played with the team today?

nocturne holly
#

Yea

molten oasis
#

Is Latias impacting the match?

nocturne holly
#

yes

molten oasis
#

Cool

sinful nimbus
#

Somebody got a good dondonzo team

#

I keep running into them and itā€™s annoying me

mild wolf
#

Is Gothitelle still competively viable?

bold geode
#

Meh

#

Shadow Tag is like it's one redeeming quality, but other than that not really

mild wolf
#

what about fake out and imprison

lofty tartan
#

Fake Out is fine, but with Imprison you have to stay alive and on the field for the effect to work.

#

I don't think the interaction of Imprison -> Fake Out is worth, though.

#

Imprison -> TR is okay but badly telegraphed (usually) and you still have to stay alive.

dapper crag
#
Move: Extreme Speed

No additional effect.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Priority

2

Move Flags

ā€‹

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1
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Move: Follow Me

Until the end of the turn, all single-target attacks from the opposing side are redirected to the user. Such attacks are redirected to the user before they can be reflected by Magic Coat or the Magic Bounce Ability, or drawn in by the Lightning Rod or Storm Drain Abilities. Fails if it is not a Double Battle or Battle Royal. This effect is ignored while the user is under the effect of Sky Drop.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

ā€”

PP (max)

20 (32)

Priority

2

Move Flags

ā€‹

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1
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Yeah overall Goth really isn't worth unless you're going Perish Trap which is way too rough to pull off
Hell even now Perish Song is just used sometimes as a 4th move on Specs Flutter to guarantee a dub on specific board states/endgames

timber falcon
brazen bough
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Well usually you don't wanna click it when you can't switch out
It's just like ok
Let's say you have a healthy 3 vs their 2
Using Perish Song can basically put it to where they have to kill all 3 mons in 3 turns, essentially a Mon a turn to win the game
It basically gives you a secured win if you can survive 3 turns

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Or know you can

timber falcon
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Regieleki @ Life Orb
Ability: Transistor
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 116 HP / 60 Def / 252 SpA / 68 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Thunderbolt
  • Tera Blast
  • Protect
  • Volt Switch thoughts on this set?
bold geode
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Might as well just max max Eleki
It's pretty frail

timber falcon
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but i feel like it woul be wasting evs, it already outspeeds things like jolly pao, and bulk is gonna be needed due to no sash

bold geode
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Yeah but it basically dies to a lot

dapper crag
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PokƩmon No. 894: Regieleki
Type

Electric

Abilities

Transistor

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/100/50/100/50/200

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.25.1
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Yeah it's bulk is just not good at all

timber falcon
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still better some than none

bold geode
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I mean if you really want to then sure
I'm just saying it's not that good

timber falcon
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if i struggle with speed ill change it though

timber falcon
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and yeah max speed leki is simply the one, bulk is useless for it GengarSad

timber falcon
next stump
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water oger IMO

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redirection is nice for farig

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also Silk Scarf > Normal Gem IMO

timber falcon
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Also Iā€™ve chosen Rilla for now cause of damage output btw, but if I need oger ill put him in, I just like the idea of having passive regen and terrain control over the redirection

bold geode
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Ey

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Just another analysis post

old tulip
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Question for anyone able to assist!
I am currently putting together a sand team with the core of Excadrill and Ttar

My question is
Should I give the Ttar Max speed IV to potentially outspeed certain slower mons or should I keep it low for the trick room match up! Any help is appreciated!

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timber falcon
timber falcon
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Itā€™s always good to have a mon that is able to survive in tr, also if you were to make it faster than some slow mons, youā€™d need a reason to

mighty stump
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@steady cove Stop posting in #rental_teams for opinions. Rentals there are meant to follow a format and are for display. It is not a discussion channel

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This is the 2nd time now

steady cove
old tulip
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@timber falcon thank you very much!

gentle cragBOT
bold geode
ripe ember
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must be not popular rules

chrome plover
ripe ember
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plus they are bad

lofty tartan
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Meloetta, Eternatus, Koraidon - all restricted mons

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Well Meloetta is mythical not restricted

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So she's never gonna be legal unless they do a mythical format

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And team #3 is 7 mons

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lofty tartan
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Okay if ranked, Koraidon, Meloetta, and Eternatus are all not legal.

chrome plover
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id like to keep the general strat which is like use pokemon that can mess up matchups

lofty tartan
chrome plover
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like protean can complety fuck over a psychic type if. u turn cinderace

lofty tartan
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Well, not really... U-Turn is pretty low damage, and you'll get a stab on it, and then switch.

chrome plover
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and ik this doesnt help but i dont like using legendaries and some myhticals

lofty tartan
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252 Atk Meowscarada U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Iron Crown: 54-64 (32.7 - 38.7%) -- 98.6% chance to 3HKO

This is a common psychic type you'll see in ranked matches.

chrome plover
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@lofty tartan im just wondering even a strat i can use because all these pokemon can be repleace

chrome plover
lofty tartan
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Well initially yeah you'll absolutely need to replace Koraidon, Meloetta, and Eternatus. If you plan to play in ranked ladder, you'll have to find something else to run.

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And frankly Koriadon as a Sun setter is sort of lukewarm in my opinion. He sets sun and he's fast, so any slower weather setters will overwrite his sun, and if they don't, he can Proto boost Flutter Mane, to whom he is 4x weak

old tulip
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This is so wild to read

lofty tartan
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Palafin is sort of overshadowed by Urshifu Rapid Strike in all areas - you have to commit to setting him up to actually be relevant and threatening when Urshifu does it by existing.

Move choices across the board are really weird - Mud-Slap Sylveon, Burning Jealousy Mimikyu

There's several mons here all combining both special attacking and physical attacking sets, and not a single instance of Protect to be seen.

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There are not many pokemon in VGC that can make mixed attacking sets work. I do not recommend doing it to most of a team

chrome plover
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wait are you saying for my team or the other guy

lofty tartan
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Oh sorry I was evaluating all of these teams shown above - it's early and I'm tired arkeknine

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Just kinda locked in

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Do you have a paste of your team?

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Or are you just looking for like general ideas?

chrome plover
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oh i do

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this was above

lofty tartan
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As far as egg moves go, right off the bat, they're incredibly easy in SV and require zero breeding

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It's all done via the use of Mirror Herb and Picnics.

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Greninja, Clodsire, Cinderace, Serperior, and Lucario are all pretty low-strength in the current format, as well.

chrome plover
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can i tell you the strat tho?

lofty tartan
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Entry hazards are basically nonexistent in doubles - it's just not a format with a ton of switching like singles.

chrome plover
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oh ok

lofty tartan
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You can.

chrome plover
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ok clodsire goes in with greninja, greninja plays as a healer and a chip damage and pulls off first move which ever gives it the most protection, clodsire eithergoes with toxic or calm mind the rest of the pokemon usually fall into the strat

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ik shitty but it worked every once and a while

lofty tartan
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So your plan is to Surf with Clodsire?

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Like Surf with Greninja with Clodsire out

old tulip
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I'm quite confused about the IV's (Not to break up the conversation between you two) But are you not planning on bringing them up to max on the stats that need it?

lofty tartan
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Based on natures, the comment about egg moves, and the IVs, I'm assuming they breed for stuff and use what they breed for - some people dislike using bottle caps and don't like "hypertrained" on their IV window

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But if trying to play in competitive, this is inadvisable

old tulip
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Makes sense
Aswell I notice the lack of any defensive Tera types, All seem to just be their base type

lofty tartan
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Others just don't know how easy it is to build teams now. šŸ¤·

old tulip
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I can understand people preferring the uniform "best" across the board but hyper training has made it so much easier now, especially for caught shinies

lofty tartan
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I'm gonna be honest about the Surf/Water Absorb Clod strategy - it is... not a good one. Greninja with Surf isn't doing a lot of damage - he has to worry about Raging Bolt and Ogerpon and other really common really strong things

Clodsire is just not a solid pick in Regulation F Doubles.

It more looks like things you like to play, and that's fine, but if you want real constructive criticism about the team, it'll likely consist of a lot of "these things are poor choices and there are better things to be choosing"

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lofty tartan
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I want to expressly state that playing your favorites in pokemon is 100% fine

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Just know that some of those favorites will come up short.

chrome plover
old tulip
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Gotcha gotcha

chrome plover
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Itā€™s more half baked until I find a strat I like

lofty tartan
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But yeah if you wanna keep playing this team and your faves - ditch the entry hazards and the heavy-duty boots

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They're going to do literal nothing for you

chrome plover
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So what do you recommend that keeps

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old tulip
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There is the website pikalytics which helps show you common EV spreads, Held items and popular moves

lofty tartan
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I mean... frankly I wouldn't be using Cinderace anyway, and I'm not 100% sure what item he'd want except for Focus Sash or Life Orb. He's just not a strong pick right now.

Same with Greninja, Lucario, Clod, and Serperior.

Though Lucario has seen more play than the other 4

chrome plover
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Fair

lofty tartan
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Like Greninja is just a weaker water type than Urshifu or Ogerpon-Wellspring

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Both of which would give him a run for his money

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Cinderace also worries about Urshifu, but also doesn't like Landorus

chrome plover
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So what Iā€™m seeing rn is urshifu rapid, lucario

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@lofty tartan also should I make lucario a special attacker?

lofty tartan
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Lucario doesn't have a ton going for him right now - has a lot of common threats, but his biggest appeal is a decently powerful Bullet Punch, so I'd keep him physical

chrome plover
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Ok

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Question, how do you think I should go about leveling these PokƩmon up

old tulip
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Exp candies

craggy dagger
lofty tartan