GET EM HARC
#competitive_discussion
timber falcon
charred saddle
iirc, predicted elo
timber falcon
iirc, predicted elo
Oh um and what does iirc mean
charred saddle
if i remember correctly
grizzled bronze
the harcanine sweep
timber falcon
Beautiful
grizzled bronze
should've stalled tw
molten oasis
A9 harc won
charred saddle
still feel that harc has a place in meta, just havent found a team good enough for me
craggy dagger
specs harc though
molten oasis
“If the team feels good, play it”
charred saddle
currently having fun with the tinglu p2 team
charred saddle
who the hell is electric rock
craggy dagger
who the hell is electric rock
a golem
craggy dagger
craggy dagger
how is hydrapple rock electric
molten oasis
No
craggy dagger
owh
molten oasis
I’m talking about the stream
craggy dagger
OWHHHH
molten oasis
craggy dagger
i’m not watching the stream rn-
molten oasis
He just stated what I’ve said before lol
There’s 2 a9’s
I think I’m gonna play with a9 again
bold geode
Was the monkey with it
molten oasis
No
mighty stump
POG
charred saddle
best commentating today
upbeat quail
How is everyone doing in the GC? I’m currently 10-12 lol
charred saddle
this is also a top emote here for some reason
mighty stump
How is everyone doing in the GC? I’m currently 10-12 lol
Still relaxing at 6-1
Didnt rlly have time to play
upbeat quail
Still relaxing at 6-1
That’s pretty good! I started out 7-1 then it started tanking
I got really frustrated yesterday playing but I’m just using this as practice
mighty stump
Wow, they’re realizing hearth is like, good
Bonk
charred saddle
Still relaxing at 6-1
git gut
grizzled bronze
How is everyone doing in the GC? I’m currently 10-12 lol
no motivation to play currently
charred saddle
I built this team in 10 minutes relax
its the weak armor arm right?
mighty stump
and Tera Fire Moon yea
charred saddle
tera fire moon?
molten oasis
It’s funny
mighty stump
Yea Tera Fire Tera Blast with Clear Amulet
charred saddle
mighty stump
Lol
I actually have a terrible matchup into Chi-Yu
But we ball
I can OHKO it through resist
Lmaoo
charred saddle
who the fuck does that
molten oasis
Tofu
charred saddle
oh i mean chiyu isnt the bulkiest mon anyway but ohko through resist is dumb 
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
mighty stump
252 Atk Protosynthesis Tera-Fire Roaring Moon Helping Hand Tera Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Chi-Yu in Sun: 126-148 (96.1 - 112.9%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
timber falcon
oh i mean chiyu isnt the bulkiest mon anyway but ohko through resist is dumb <:K...
but what if ur rly sure
karmic temple
I’m gonna miss like all of todays regional 
will have to rewatch later
Have they been good matches or naw
molten oasis
Have they been good matches or naw
Life orb a9 and harc won a set on stream
karmic temple
The king is back ?!
timber falcon
it was a sight to see, the rockslide spam was real
molten oasis
It won 1 match so no
bold geode
The king is back ?!
charred saddle
mimicrew
mighty stump
Fraud
grizzled bronze
wait for reg g power creep
molten oasis
oh yeah drago, hows the team looking?
Annihilape?
bold geode
Monkey?
molten oasis
Why not urshifu
upbeat quail
https://pokepast.es/4b3d77fcfca4c732
Been playing the GC with dragonair Jordan’s team here. I’m really liking it but I’m noticing a few things I’d like to change. I highly recommend checking it out though
timber falcon
Annihilape?
yep yep
timber falcon
made notes so i didnt forget why i did what i did
ANNIHALAPE
I needed a clearfighting core, however incin put me in a tight spot, therefore why not just go for a fighting type with defiant (making parting shot and intim pivot risky) but us also immune to its fake out shenanigans! along with extreme speed sweeps! im running the classic bulk up , drain punch , rage fist and protect set that either lets me set up and sweep or deal rly nice damage. (tera for specs flutter) and lefties for passive regen.
bold geode
Yeah Annihilape is just out of place here
Also Incin is not Fighting type if I just read that right
timber falcon
i meant incin is a problem
bold geode
Gapdos
timber falcon
im speechless tbh
bold geode
Also ANNIHIHALAPE looks so butchered
timber falcon
wym
bold geode
Annihilape
timber falcon
oh its spelt wrong
upbeat quail
Shout out to Torkoal for being a bulky boi. Even in games I lose he is super tough to kill.
molten oasis
ANNIHALAPE
I needed a clearfighting core, however incin put me in a tight spot, ...
Gapdos is way better then
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
bold geode
Annihilape needs to be built around
autumn vault
What team are you talking about?
bold geode
Take that from an Annihilape enjoyer
molten oasis
Gapdos is 90/90/90
molten oasis
So it’s not really that much worse
autumn vault
Take that from an Annihilape enjoyer
i second this
molten oasis
And id argue it’s more splashable than ape is
timber falcon
Take that from an Annihilape enjoyer
idk its been great for me rn, but gapdos cant hurt ig
autumn vault
ape 100% doesn't fit when fucker mane is already on the team
molten oasis
True
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/6f597300dc504ea2 this is an annihilape team (in reg B/C it's viable, i used it and got a really big win streak back in reg C)
also it is outdated
timber falcon
oh and another reason i like ape here is the regen factor
autumn vault
and ev's on hands is terrible
timber falcon
3 moves on talon......
molten oasis
oh and another reason i like ape here is the regen factor
This team is not fit for that
autumn vault
it was a team in reg C ok
timber falcon
i meant regen factor
molten oasis
Yea, idt it works here
timber falcon
og
autumn vault
3 moves on talon......
4th was taunt
mighty stump
i meant regen factor
Understandable, but consider the type of team you’re playing here
molten oasis
This team looks more offensive and ape ain’t doing that here
mighty stump
Like take a moment and think about it
What is your goal here with the team, how is it expecting to play
molten oasis
Gapdos or single strike fit better
mighty stump
Okay, but why do you think it fits
autumn vault
i just throw out what i see fit tbh
Me in Reg E:
timber falcon
Okay, but why do you think it fits
ape normally for howl teams, as it gives gouging a run for its money, especially sent out on balace teams with inicin, when i know i can set up safe;y
timber falcon
Gapdos or single strike fit better
pao has sash alrdy
molten oasis
Band or scarf it
autumn vault
Band or scarf it
it doesnt need sash to work, these 2 are alternatives
molten oasis
Single strike doesn’t HAVE to run sash
mighty stump
Pause on the slot suggestion for a moment
molten oasis
Ight
mighty stump
This is a teach a man to fish/give a man a fish moment
@timber falcon Why do you think those mons all fit together and how do you expect the whole team wants to play
I know you know why instinctively
timber falcon
ok so i want to overwhelm the enemy with attack
mighty stump
Exactly
So why would you want a Pokemon that withdraws that offensive pressure/momentum and slows down the game
when you’re trying to ramp it up
timber falcon
So why would you want a Pokemon that withdraws that offensive pressure/momentum ...
because it limits the way my opponent can pay ig
i wouldnt want them intimitading all over the place
mighty stump
But you’re going for strong damage trades, it doesn’t matter if they want to cycle
Flutter + H-Arc is enough to threaten a lot of Incins
Think about it in terms of turn efficiency
autumn vault
He is right
mighty stump
On turns they’re switching and they’re clicking Fake Out and Parting Shot
autumn vault
Towel + H-Arc is bad for incin
mighty stump
are all turns they are not doing damage
timber falcon
so i should go a different fighitng core that works well with HO
mighty stump
And in that case even if Ape gets those boosts it’s no guarantee the rest of tbe team will still be alive to help it out
timber falcon
but i like defiant tbh
molten oasis
There’s other defiant mons to use
autumn vault
Defiant isn't needed for every team you know
timber falcon
i know but i like it here
craggy dagger
what’s going on?
molten oasis
Discussing a team
timber falcon
since intim is one of harcs biggest set backs, id like my opponent to think twice or be punished
autumn vault
what’s going on?
We are reviewing OTOT's team
grizzled bronze
why not gapdos
mighty stump
OTOT wants to put Ape on a HO style team when Ape doesn’t have that tempo
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/f9466e82f1697a55
this team
craggy dagger
ape on an HO…
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/f9466e82f1697a55 is OTOT's team
timber falcon
ok so from reactions it seems like ape is gonna go now
autumn vault
Ape from my experience can only fit on HO teams with a beat up pokemon and even then it isn't that good
mighty stump
All those punish Ape
molten oasis
If you want defiant Gapdos
timber falcon
That ape slot can be used for something like Watershifu or the like
wouldnt that overlap with oger
craggy dagger
while on paper it doesn’t sound that bad, ape can’t really do much in terms of being go fast hit hard
timber falcon
and leave me weak to rilla
molten oasis
You have harc
craggy dagger
water type is the best type to overlap imo
autumn vault
Typing overlap imo isn't a big problem
timber falcon
oh yeah
molten oasis
For HO it’s not a big deal
craggy dagger
also pao ape isn’t my cup of tea
timber falcon
If you really want Ape, I’d even suggest Scarf Final Gambit
hmm it doesnt look bad
getting rid of one of theirs
mighty stump
CC/Shadow Claw/Final Gambit/U-Turn
craggy dagger
claw-
mighty stump
Claw
timber falcon
allwing me to swap 4 free
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
timber falcon
ill try gambit ape out
craggy dagger
nvm
mighty stump
But do you understand like
timber falcon
its just max health max speed right?
mighty stump
The overall point I was trying to get at
craggy dagger
but with final gambit, it might not ohko
molten oasis
If the worry is incin why gambit
timber falcon
The overall point I was trying to get at
yeah for HO teams use HO
timber falcon
If the worry is incin why gambit
gambit still keeps defiant cc
molten oasis
Like, av low kick can work but even with defiant gambit doesn’t like incin
timber falcon
so incin will still die
tribal garnet
Quick refresher,Pokerus just increases the EV gains right?
mighty stump
yeah for HO teams use HO
Match your modes with the expected styles of play, understand certain Pokemon require certain support, and have the space for multi-modes if you’re worrying about a one-dimensional gameplans
craggy dagger
Like, av low kick can work but even with defiant gambit doesn’t like incin
no no like final gambit i think-
timber falcon
Match your modes with the expected styles of play, understand certain Pokemon re...
ok
craggy dagger
although kingambit would be interesting in this situation
timber falcon
ive been taught how to fish, ill go fishing ig
craggy dagger
Gotta draft up that Pikachu team
autumn vault
ive been taught how to fish, ill go fishing ig
Go fish a good one pal
molten oasis
Forgot about that lol
mighty stump
Sometimes I have ideas and I fear forgetting about them
So
Nova’s existence reminded me
cobalt quarry
is flamigo just discount hawlucha?
craggy dagger
i had so many ideas-
then showdown decided to wipe all my teams 
timber falcon
is flamigo just discount hawlucha?
different situationa
molten oasis
is flamigo just discount hawlucha?
It runs costar which is a niche thing on gimmick teams so no
craggy dagger
Nova’s existence reminded me
owh?
timber falcon
hawlucha better in singles, flamigo better in doubles
autumn vault
It runs costar which is a niche thing on gimmick teams so no
also nice on satan muk teams
craggy dagger
flamigo is better for speed running the game
cobalt quarry
hawlucha better in singles, flamigo better in doubles
oh ok
guess im using hawlucha then
molten oasis
Fighting flying type of choice is gapdos
grizzled bronze
volc in stream les go
molten oasis
Or it should be cuz hawluncha is mid and flamigo is a gimmick pokemon
VOLCARONA
👀
craggy dagger
owh i need to make a volca team
molten oasis
Dude this regional hitting all of my favorites
bold geode
Or it should be cuz hawluncha is mid and flamigo is a gimmick pokemon
Drago
People are saying Fortnite leaks show One Piece LMFAO
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/981bd3c6bac376b9 Any issues? I am losing a lot more with this (not on showdown, a bit but not as dramatic as switch ladder)
molten oasis
A9, Volc
molten oasis
Drago
People are saying Fortnite leaks show One Piece LMFAO
Dude that’s been around for a while
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/981bd3c6bac376b9 Any issues? I am losing a lot more with thi...
Regigigas isn’t good
autumn vault
Drago
People are saying Fortnite leaks show One Piece LMFAO
Fortnite leakers are stupid af
bold geode
Dude that’s been around for a while
Imagine lmao
Get hit by that Gomu Gomu No Glock
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
What are the problems specifically
autumn vault
Well i lose to smart players
craggy dagger
it does affect proto and quark huh
autumn vault
also trick room is a problem
molten oasis
That’s not helpful
bold geode
Nah the one thing I know for sure is that Disney and Fortnite is together
autumn vault
i am thinking
bold geode
I swear if I get boxed out by fucking Goofy, I'm chucking my PS5 out the window
molten oasis
Wait how are you struggling with tr
autumn vault
Wait how are you struggling with tr
Bolt and weezing are max speed
molten oasis
You have taunt
autumn vault
maybe i dont click it much
molten oasis
If you see Fari or cress click taunt
autumn vault
But i just remembered muk smeargle is a big-ass problem for the team
molten oasis
Muk smeargle is a gimmick don’t worry about that mu
autumn vault
also gigas takes too much damage from L-Orb with D-Edge
craggy dagger
But i just remembered muk smeargle is a big-ass problem for the team
clear smog on weezing then
molten oasis
also gigas takes too much damage from L-Orb with D-Edge
There’s not much else to run
autumn vault
Should i say fuck it, and run body slam?
molten oasis
If you don’t want recoil yea
nocturne holly
Should i say fuck it, and run body slam?
On gigas? Yeah
timber falcon
i know its early to celebrate, but gambit ape is looking nice on the team, allows easy pivot and most of the time is gonna be remocving or dealing incredible damage to an opposing mon like arch that would normally be a wall in the way
autumn vault
also i found urshifu-S forced tera out of my gigas and also weezing has to burn it
molten oasis
i know its early to celebrate, but gambit ape is looking nice on the team, allow...
Play more
grizzled bronze
solid option, ignores evasion too
molten oasis
You’re jumping the gun a little
autumn vault
tera fairy is there, ik i don't like wasting tera on something that is hardly ever useful (outside of urshifu-S)
nocturne holly
tera fairy is there, ik i don't like wasting tera on something that is hardly ev...
I mean it’s gonna be a Tera hog
timber falcon
i mean this where im at so far
molten oasis
If Gigas is the problem don’t run gigas
nocturne holly
Especially with the prevalence of shifus
molten oasis
i mean this where im at so far
How many games did you play with gambit ape
timber falcon
How many games did you play with gambit ape
once lol
molten oasis
Keep playing you’re jumping the gun
autumn vault
I hardly ever found gigas a problem, its just that half the teams carry urshifu
timber falcon
will do
nocturne holly
I hardly ever found gigas a problem, its just that half the teams carry urshifu
Can we see the team
autumn vault
It is very useful on follow me users, good for damage burst, amazing bulk helps it out
molten oasis
I hardly ever found gigas a problem, its just that half the teams carry urshifu
Do you know of other bad mu’s?
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/981bd3c6bac376b9 Any issues? I am losing a lot more with thi...
^
autumn vault
Do you know of other bad mu’s?
Psychic types
honestly i can't find any more bad mu's
autumn vault
yeah sort of
molten oasis
You have incin
autumn vault
i can kill the crown, or crown kills me (except for incin)
nocturne holly
It’s looks fine the team
Gigas is going to be a Tera hog, that’s a given
you have flutter and weezing switching
autumn vault
Honestly i am tempted to go tera stellar on it to help ohko incineroar with H-Horsepower (and probably more useful things)
molten oasis
i can kill the crown, or crown kills me (except for incin)
Into crown you have gigas, don’t Tera
Stellar sucks
Could switch to av snarl bolt
autumn vault
stellar also helps ohko indeedee with d-edge
molten oasis
Proof
autumn vault
calc's
molten oasis
…
autumn vault
sorry pikalytics takes a while to load
molten oasis
Send the calcs
bold geode
Tera Fairy Blast Volcarona on stream
autumn vault
204+ Atk Life Orb Slow Start Regigigas Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Indeedee-F: 118-140 (66.6 - 79%) -- guaranteed 2HKO without tera
molten oasis
And a taunt incin
bold geode
Unfortunate flinch
autumn vault
88% minimum damage on the indeedee
bold geode
I'm watching Jeudy watch it rn lmao
molten oasis
That’s really bad
molten oasis
88% minimum damage on the indeedee
Dude
send the full calc
That does not tell me enough
bold geode
Jeudy said Volc walls Chien Pao pre tera
autumn vault
I tried the calculator, i couldn't find the tera button to add more damage from the tera's stab buff
molten oasis
Jeudy said Volc walls Chien Pao pre tera
It does
autumn vault
i will try to find it
grizzled bronze
I tried the calculator, i couldn't find the tera button to add more damage from ...
what calculator are you using
autumn vault
what calculator are you using
the one in a pinned comment
molten oasis
@autumn vault 204 Atk Life Orb Tera-Stellar Regigigas Double-Edge (1st Use) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Indeedee-F: 190-224 (107.3 - 126.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
autumn vault
<@1104069302946103348> 204 Atk Life Orb Tera-Stellar Regigigas Double-Edge (1st ...
See what i mean
autumn vault
i guess banded gigas again
autumn vault
I really like Banded Gigas as it picks up a minimum of 2 KO's
molten oasis
Then run banded gigas
autumn vault
I feel like the L-Orb really was making my regigigas a problem
i won more with banded gigas, i only noticed that now
craggy dagger
then run banded gigas??
craggy dagger
huh
timber falcon
when u attack ur own mon by accident but its alright (1%hp win) https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2071809859
autumn vault
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regf-2071813926-90dkputjz74gbre408p3ycnaqfve4cxpw first game of banded gigas
autumn vault
Ice punch mauled the genies and hurt bolt a ton
timber falcon
all the mons he brought were weak to ice
autumn vault
honestly hilarious
grizzled bronze
when u attack ur own mon by accident but its alright (1%hp win) https://replay.p...
what a good sport
timber falcon
yeah lo,
autumn vault
Literally Laughing My Ass Off
autumn vault
yup
bold geode
I just realized
Why does Incineroar have a fuckin Victorian era stageplay type death animation
grizzled bronze
gotta die in style or something
bold geode
Bro dies like it's drink was poisoned
bold geode
2023 World Champion..
Shohei?
bold geode
Stream it
bold geode
Fuck
mighty stump
I dont have it on stream in on GC
bold geode
Also Alex is pulling this game out his ass rn
bold geode
I dont have it on stream in on GC
Sadge, I would've loved to watch that
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
mighty stump
Ok 4
bold geode
OH FUCK YOU'RE FIGHTING EDUARDO CUNHA?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
bold geode
Idk his Twitch fuck
molten oasis
Hes streaming rn go watch if you want
Pog
grizzled bronze
damn good luck on the battle
grizzled bronze
oh damn cant send link
bold geode
Whoever sent that, DM me rn
molten oasis
That was a LONG match damn
charred saddle
hi tofu
bold geode
Bruh I came in to seeing Tofu's Arma fuckin dying
mighty stump
lol
I wanted to make an extreme read Turn 1 but I pussied out so I click buttons now
mighty stump
aw i lose
charred saddle
thank you for the follow dollarmonke
bold geode
Bro reversed TR
bold geode
Ah lmao
charred saddle
ah isee
mighty stump
torkoal had no value and I was mostly relying on Armarouge
charred saddle
was about to ask why reverse
mighty stump
I expected T1 he would switch and watned to meteor beam immediately while getting Indeedee out
I could have won off of that
But like
Its still kinda eh
But decided not to cause the double was like
Bad for me
Lol
and its an extreme read to make
bold geode
Should've put your foot on the fucking gas
mighty stump
Probably
bold geode
No brakes, straight gas
mighty stump
That is Adamant Pao
grizzled bronze
still cool to see you face up against a world champion
mighty stump
Anyways next
bold geode
Lmao GGs
charred saddle
welp goodluck
mighty stump
If I had a penny everytime I faced a World Champion
I'd have two
Which isn't much
But it;s weird it happened twice
grizzled bronze
oh damn
bold geode
But it;s weird it happened twice
I was just about to say it lmao
mighty stump
Idk if you wanna count Nontaro becuase hes some "World Cup Champion" probably Victory Road related
But I beat that guys ass like x5 over
bold geode
That Phineas and Ferb movie was a banger
bold geode
But I beat that guys ass like x5 over
But I made him my bi-
mighty stump
I made him my bitch
charred saddle
#competitive_discussion message
rude word
gentle cragBOT
dollarmonke (ID 817628066020065280)
charred saddle
time to paste in reports
bold geode
Wow
mighty stump
You don't tell me I got lucky and proceed to get away with it
charred saddle
help me report him tofu
mighty stump
You'll get beaten in every regulation we played
bold geode
Imma report Leo for being stinky
charred saddle
bro im tired learning about this crap ass studies
molten oasis
That is super unfortunate
mighty stump
Lmaooo
charred saddle
currently studying about UTIs
mighty stump
I forgot this variant existed
charred saddle
wtf is FLUTD
mighty stump
Feline Lower Urinary Tract Disease
charred saddle
ah
bold geode
Bro misspelled flute
molten oasis
Oof, 7 with that sounds rough
charred saddle
well apparently human UTI are ass
mighty stump
WEait lemme see if I can meme this out with Endure Armarouge
charred saddle
classified as upper and lower
mighty stump
Gdi Speed Drop
charred saddle
and then complicated and uncomplicated
bold geode
well apparently human UTI are ass
I mean it's close to there so
charred saddle
based on the severity and genders
charred saddle
I mean it's close to there so
true 
charred saddle
ooh
molten oasis
Smart play
grizzled bronze
good set
molten oasis
That burn was awful on volc
charred saddle
yeah
lots of burns in the 3 games there
bonanomi's incin gets 2 burn from flare blitz
insane
molten oasis
Slither wing 
molten oasis
Man can we not see rilla pao incin shifu lando bolt again
THERES A PRIMARINA WHY CANT WE SEE THAT
AND A SYLVEON BAC AND ELEKI
mighty stump
Ok, it's my turn to pretty much check out of the GC
Low-rolled 3 times but oh well
It is what it is
bold geode
NAH
bold geode
They messed up LMFAO
bold geode
THEY'RE PLAYING IT OUT?!
molten oasis
bold geode
Oh apparently they give whoever fucked up setting the game rules a game loss
bold geode
No game loss
molten oasis
Oh ig no one took a loss
bold geode
Nah
rustic mountain
bold geode
molten oasis
Useless fluttermane lmao
craggy dagger
can someone help me build a comp team rq? dm me
we can all help you here…
it would prop be more efficient
cold ivy
oh okay, i only said dm so i didnt have to send a bunch of pokemon pics here in case u need stats
grizzled bronze
you can use pokepaste
craggy dagger
yeah i would use pokepaste
mighty stump
-calc 168x1.5
gentle cragBOT
Result: 252.000000
craggy dagger
keeps it clean like this:
cold ivy
none of my pokemon have items only my chesnaught bc i was using it for raids, but i rlly dont know much about comp but i wanna start getting into it
craggy dagger
this would be a good place to start…
gentle cragBOT
Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:
https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)
https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)
https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)
https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)
https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)
https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams
https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon
There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC
mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)
grizzled bronze
make sure to check out the resources located in the pins
craggy dagger
yep-
text wall xD
cold ivy
oh 😧
cold ivy
true
craggy dagger
cold ivy
ill just do my team rn in sv and see what different stuff i can make on it
mighty stump
I really don't recommend teambuilding from scratch if you're new without reference
craggy dagger
ooo do tell what your idea is.
i’m always interested in new team ideas
cold ivy
what
i was just gonna start up on ranked single battles-
how do ik what im up against if it can be any team
mighty stump
But it isn't necessarily "any team" since there are usage stats
It's why knowing the metagame is important
grizzled bronze
also it's very hard to get resources for bss btw
craggy dagger
mhm
grizzled bronze
"what now"
craggy dagger
lmaoooo
craggy dagger
<@908444933210406942> He got walled
you pinged the “wrong” person
mighty stump
oh god damn it
timber falcon
"stand proud Raging Bolt, you are strong"
mighty stump
Lmao
craggy dagger
eats a volt tackle to the face-
mighty stump
autumn vault
252 SpA Beads of Ruin Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Flutter Mane: 156-186 (96.2 - 114.8%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Beads of Ruin Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Flutter Mane: 170-204 (104.9 - 125.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
proof calyrex shadow can ohko fluttter ^ (or have really good odds of killing it) with chi-yu
mighty stump
I don't see what new information that realistically provides
craggy dagger
god dam-
craggy dagger
252 SpA Beads of Ruin Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD F...
and….?
where’s tera fairy and less bulk
craggy dagger
TERA FAIRY FOR THE FLUTTER
so it’s no longer SE
also like tofu said-
it’s not really new info-
autumn vault
Another reason i did the calcs is because 🪵 tofu think Caly shadow can't ohko bulky flutter with good odds (he is right), i am just showing with chi-yu and modest it is possible to hko immediately
mighty stump
I don't think, I know
Lol
Plus
If you're welcoming additional modifiers
I just put LIght Screen
grizzled bronze
you can tera to avoid
autumn vault
Ik tera is a factor and light screen
mighty stump
Also, with Booster Spe
autumn vault
it can ohko caly shadow
mighty stump
Flutter outspeeds and can just OHKO with Shadow Ball
craggy dagger
Flutter outspeeds and can just OHKO with Shadow Ball
not if shadow teras tho-
mighty stump
Yeah so moot point all around
craggy dagger
i would guess tera fairy shadow or tera dark shadow for defensive purposes…
mighty stump
The whole original point of the conversation was that just because Shadowrex exists doesn't mean Flutter is gonna be obsolete
craggy dagger
dunno-
cold ivy
hey, is this a good team?
craggy dagger
hey, is this a good team?
hm?
cold ivy
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/e2c08ad29972e813 i am learning calcs for Calyrex-Shadow
cold ivy
i dont have items yet on all my pokemon
craggy dagger
i would just bring a drought mon instead of wasting a slot on wake
this is singles right?
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/7d2a5a141dbbc6c3
I can 100% tell that those evs are bad as hell
cold ivy
i might swap to doubles
cold ivy
I can 100% tell that those evs are bad as hell
i did what my pokemon in sv had
cold ivy
i might swap to doubles
bc of venusaur with chlorophyll
craggy dagger
I can 100% tell that those evs are bad as hell
let it go-
he’s new-
autumn vault
ik that
mighty stump
I highly recommend going through the basics first, particularly you're aware of the mechanics that are needed to start competitive @cold ivy
cold ivy
alright
mighty stump
Start with VGCguide.com, even if your goal is to play singles, the basic core concepts are the same
cold ivy
oh i was gonna watch WolfeyVGC Academy Lecture i think it is
mighty stump
That also works
cold ivy
hes very enjoyable to watch, main reason i wanna get into it
craggy dagger
haha that’s fair
mighty stump
Competitive Pokemon is majority a knowledge first hobby
Id argue the skew is like
80-20
Playing is the easy part
autumn vault
hes very enjoyable to watch, main reason i wanna get into it
Also because of his beef with incineroar is very funny (i have beef with flutter mane on the same level as him and incin)
cold ivy
lol
grizzled bronze
is that sylveon
craggy dagger
Playing is the easy part
mmm…
i feel like coming up with ideas is the easy part (as in like grabbing pokemon that look cool or pokemon you like)
molten oasis
Tera bug?
grizzled bronze
the budget flutter mane real
molten oasis
TERA BUG BAX???
craggy dagger
but then making that into a team is what gets hard
molten oasis
the budget flutter mane real
Sylveon is not budget fluttermane
craggy dagger
TERA BUG BAX???
yeah that’s happened before?
molten oasis
yeah that’s happened before?
It has?
grizzled bronze
Sylveon is not budget fluttermane
ik i was joking
it functions differently
also yeah why is bax tera bug
craggy dagger
It has?
dunno about official competitions but i’ve seen it being used many times in small tourneys i’ve played in
autumn vault
Use tera flying, it is strictly better
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
craggy dagger
Use tera flying, it is strictly better
you’re weak to a pao or bolt
grizzled bronze
avoid fighting weakness and a better matchup for lando?
molten oasis
I’m also like 90% sure a good 50 people all wanted to play shifu rilla incin pao lando and bolt with the same fucking sets
craggy dagger
avoid fighting weakness and a better matchup for lando?
that’s what i would assume
molten oasis
Lame
cold ivy
this is gonna take awhile to learn but i will get it 😄
craggy dagger
this is gonna take awhile to learn but i will get it 😄
there’s a regionals going on rn that i would watch to get a sense of how the game works too
cold ivy
what do i watch it on rn
craggy dagger
youtube
grizzled bronze
or twitch
bold geode
Ngl I saw that 6 like 2-3 weeks ago while testing my Ape team
And I was like "imma try that"
craggy dagger
they’re on twitch-
craggy dagger
that’s what all these outbursts are
mighty stump
It's defensive
cold ivy
oh
grizzled bronze
tera bug real
cold ivy
yea
knotty mirage
I mean fair enough it's the only type that ressist ground that doesn't die to ice
timber falcon
Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 200 HP / 100 Def / 140 SpA / 68 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dazzling Gleam
- Moonblast
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt thoughts on this flutter set?
mighty stump
Wasted EVs
timber falcon
oh yeah
cold ivy
Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: F...
its pretty good (i have no idea)
mighty stump
Remember you have to have an odd number of stats invested to obey 4+8x
craggy dagger
the read owhhh
cold ivy
fr
craggy dagger
earth power into incin :0
cold ivy
ogerpon knows follow me??
bold geode
Yeah
cold ivy
oh
grizzled bronze
probably the best redirection user imo
timber falcon
just had a guy on a wheezing team throw by using blood moon on my flutter lmfao
i wouldve lost
grizzled bronze
pro
timber falcon
Pikachu in 1500s
how though
cold ivy
lmfao
timber falcon
also im on the last stretch
kindred cypress
Man, wolfey really jinxed us all in his newest vid
grizzled bronze
oooh so close to 1500
mighty stump
how though
🤷♂️
timber falcon
Man, wolfey really jinxed us all in his newest vid
idk, incin has been "that mon" for a while now
autumn vault
also im on the last stretch
your harcanine team is pretty solid
kindred cypress
no, he said he doesnt have a mega
timber falcon
oooh so close to 1500
and i hate to admit it and 64% GXE is my highest ever
craggy dagger
THE READDDSSSSS
kindred cypress
Now we wait
grizzled bronze
that's nice, improvement is improvement
timber falcon
THE READDDSSSSS
im missing regianal arent i-
cold ivy
dang vas is insane
molten oasis
Very good game 1
craggy dagger
im missing regianal arent i-
special event
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2rhBNDap8A
come watch
im laughing my ass of rn xD
kindred cypress
special event
What's special bout it?
timber falcon
oh so that doesnt give any regional points?
molten oasis
Last match of the day
craggy dagger
What's special bout it?
idk its just called a special event-
timber falcon
Last match of the day
timber falcon
why i always forget to watch these, they look like they have valuable info i need
grizzled bronze
it says regional in the thumbnail lol
craggy dagger
I HEARD REGIELEKIII
timber falcon
oh leads look pretty unbalanced
mighty stump
timber falcon
as in one side has it over the other
craggy dagger
I was considering using Bax on a team yesterday, might do that
might as well try it out right?
owh-
the crash missed xD
timber falcon
lmao the way pikachu ate the eerie impulse
cold ivy
is this a good matchup?
timber falcon
why would u ever do that to urself
grizzled bronze
might wanna give them items ...
cold ivy
o
molten oasis
That is a terrible miss
grizzled bronze
the cons of crash
timber falcon
tempo looks nice for carmine
mighty stump
Its crazy how Icicle Crash into Bolt with SoR did sub 50
craggy dagger
mhm
livid vine
Anybody got a good spread for Electabuzz? Struggling to EV
timber falcon
btw tofu did u start ur pikachu team from 0 elo?
molten oasis
It’s joever
mighty stump
No, 1300s
timber falcon
oh ok
molten oasis
He needed to sub
mighty stump
Great call there
timber falcon
is the game overpon?
molten oasis
Yea
mighty stump
Oof
timber falcon
id be so pissed if i lost that way
mighty stump
I would just cycle
grizzled bronze
damn it faded
grizzled bronze
game 3 time
molten oasis
Oh ig subbing didn’t make sense since pulse probably broke it
grizzled bronze
the crit for style points lmao
timber falcon
Oh ig subbing didn’t make sense since pulse probably broke it
pulse?
molten oasis
Dragon pulse
timber falcon
oh who had that
timber falcon
oh ok
molten oasis
That crit on pon was really bad
mighty stump
You couldn't risk Sub from the Fake Out 50/50
molten oasis
Very interesting team
molten oasis
LETS GOOO
timber falcon
sylveon bouta cook
grizzled bronze
scream that voice
timber falcon
oh defensive ursh
cold ivy
https://pokepast.es/7d2a5a141dbbc6c3
what items should i give them
timber falcon
wait why tera oger
molten oasis
The shifu
timber falcon
no follow me?
grizzled bronze
damn lives
molten oasis
Oh shit
timber falcon
ohhhhhhhh
grizzled bronze
damn nice play
mighty stump
and ig to Punish
timber falcon
flinch lol
mighty stump
That's huge
molten oasis
That one shot wow
grizzled bronze
flinch tho oops
molten oasis
Oh that’s, oof
timber falcon
all of a sudden tempo lookin hrrible for BAS
grizzled bronze
they're badly damaged tho
mighty stump
Huge tbh
molten oasis
Yea you break sash
timber falcon
ohhh bax in the back is great rn
molten oasis
Bax pog
mighty stump
all of a sudden tempo lookin hrrible for BAS
The reason it isn't is because you force them to have to KO something for the free switch
grizzled bronze
ice shard pressure is real
mighty stump
Otherwise you gain more and more value from your leads
Bas is in the driver seat from T1
molten oasis
Yea
timber falcon
oh free swaps are better over deaths?
molten oasis
Bas is chilling
grizzled bronze
huh
timber falcon
SHEESH OHKO
molten oasis
Ggs, it’s joever
grizzled bronze
i see
mighty stump
oh free swaps are better over deaths?
Sometimes deaths are a good thing once a mon has done its job
molten oasis
It’s so joever
timber falcon
Sometimes deaths are a good thing once a mon has done its job
so like smeargle using spore or follow me 
molten oasis
Great call
karmic temple
bas and eye brow raise
mighty stump
Bas in full control in this G3
karmic temple
hes so cute
mighty stump
That was disgusting
timber falcon
the match is overpon
grizzled bronze
damn ggs
grizzled bronze
good set
molten oasis
Does ice shard always ohko lando id assume?
mighty stump
And even though Bas knew Baxcal was faster than Raging bolt
He still committed the Protect and switch
Its good habit to close out games fully
timber falcon
safety first
molten oasis
If no bulk yes
timber falcon
endgame crits are vile
molten oasis
Yea, great play
mighty stump
If no bulk yes
SoR on the field
mighty stump
No I mean on that board state
timber falcon
very interesting teams, nice to see non meta mons having their moment
molten oasis
Ah, yea
Bax is very solid
It’s speed is a bit awkward tho
196+ Atk Baxcalibur Glaive Rush vs. 228 HP / 108 Def Raging Bolt: 228-270 (99.5 - 117.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO pfff what a strong move
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
grizzled bronze
very powerful attack
autumn vault
196+ Atk Baxcalibur Glaive Rush vs. 228 HP / 108 Def Raging Bolt: 228-270 (99.5 ...
G-Rush is always stupidly broken
especially on a pokemon with Lando-T's attack stat
molten oasis
Maybe when I get around to it I’ll play with a Bax similar to the one on stream
cold ivy
https://pokepast.es/7d2a5a141dbbc6c3
what items should i give them? ik i should watch the videos but i wanna play some showdown, ik the basic rules and all that, just not that many strategies
grizzled bronze
i highly recommend starting with rentals if you wanna try out some battles
cold ivy
okay, for showdown ill do random for now
grizzled bronze
you can still use rentals in showdown, you get the pokepaste of the team and import it in
cold ivy
oh
grizzled bronze
lots of good shit in #rental_teams and also victoryroadvgc website
cold ivy
alr
grizzled bronze
note that these teams are all for doubles vgc, the official format
cobalt quarry
best electric terrain setter?
grizzled bronze
probably thundurus at the moment
craggy dagger
thundy but pincurchin exists
balmy sinew
Hello, I made this team before the indigo disk, what can I change? https://pokepast.es/5722ffa876f138e6
charred saddle
id say sinistcha kinda wants ragepowder to also help BM, and i dont think you need that much of a trick room setter
you can either leverage the mons u have to play around TR better, like sinistcha to amoonguss, or like having torkoal
or you can have a fast mode as an alternatives, turbo luna does exist, with tailwind torn
that way you can also play more aggresively and have another means of game, follow me firepon usually is very nice with turboluna since it can play around the TW, and still have follow me. and +1 tera for extra
solid frigate
best electric terrain setter?
For now Thundurus,If Restricted Format,Just use Miraidon
knotty mirage
The pain of no tapu koko 
solid frigate
The pain of no tapu koko <:SadMimi:669500453955829782>
i missed our boi man,he would be a very good partner with the violet Paradox ;-;
vapid hedge
Hi there, im planning to swap in an incineroar but mine cant learn fake out / parting shot, google says its an egg move, any simple way to fix my issue? Already invested money to iv train, kinda dont wanna breed a new one haha pls help
charred saddle
u can use mirror herb and picnic
mighty stump
Just mirror herb
vapid hedge
Oh lol its that simple?
solid frigate
Yep
charred saddle
put mirror herbb in incin., then have a free slot move, then put some fake out mon in the picnic
then do it again with parting shot
charred saddle
nw i mean i we all start somewhere
mighty stump
They don’t tell you these things so it’s reasonable to not know
vapid hedge
Wait im not sure a have single mon with parting shot, any i could catch that can learn it?
True @mighty stump
charred saddle
vapid hedge
Legend thx a lot
nocturne holly
That’s it?
solid frigate
idk why but didn't Grimmsnarl had Parting shot?
nocturne holly
Only 3 learn by level up
charred saddle
yes
nocturne holly
that’s crazy
And only 1 of them is non legend
solid frigate
yeah but if you have the Event Shiny Grimmsnarl which i remember has Parting Shot
idk if it has it idk
Wait should i use Terapagos or Giratina for my restricted Format team
i'm stll thinking of it
craggy dagger
tera fighting blast caly 
dapper crag
lol turn 4 surender
timber falcon
lol turn 4 surender
even better when they surrender b4 a move is made
craggy dagger
even better when they surrender b4 a move is made
everybody when they see my cinderace in vgc
timber falcon
is that the banded cinderace?
craggy dagger
yeah
timber falcon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2071958428-4ywtly61t5664cgi5265jahssg1bl9kpw gambit ape is just what the doctor ordered
1 turn win
HAHA I DID IT
craggy dagger
my fari can tank a max attack adamant final gambit xD
timber falcon
craggy dagger
somehow...
timber falcon
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO#
timber falcon
my fari can tank a max attack adamant final gambit xD
gambit doesnt base on attack
its cause u probs have max hp
@mighty stump what now
vapid hedge
Any ideas for possible changes? Besides swapping nasty plot on fari ofc haha
autumn vault
Any ideas for possible changes? Besides swapping nasty plot on fari ofc haha
I think changing flutter's spread (evs and items) is enough
timber falcon
not much to judge off moves
charred saddle
no sunny day?
autumn vault
Tera ghost/steel/water are pretty good teras on whimsicott
vapid hedge
Oh i didnt even think about sunny day - what tera would you recommend for whim?
charred saddle
i mean idk how wake teams plays out but i think sunny day can have something to play there, you can even have like torkoal helping hand
if its cloak, you can do defensive teras like water
grass is also ok
do note that if you are running cloak u want to have a more bulky EV
autumn vault
Sunny day benefits 4/6 mons so why not sunny day?
vapid hedge
Sunny day is so obvi, feel stupid for not thinking about it
charred saddle
fake tears also made a lot of sense, i just dk what to drop for sunny day
autumn vault
Sunny day is so obvi, feel stupid for not thinking about it
Can you send a pokepaste?
charred saddle
id even put torkoal in case for TR match up, but then u have a lot of fire typings
autumn vault
Some ev placements might be bad
vapid hedge
Sure just a sec
autumn vault
Take your time
craggy dagger
sash would be ditched for booster on flutter-
vapid hedge
id even put torkoal in case for TR match up, but then u have a lot of fire typin...
Yeah i would have to cut oger or inci if i add torkoal i think
charred saddle
nono ogerpon is very fine
craggy dagger
prolly want follow me on ogerpon but ogerpon looks good :>
charred saddle
id more into changing incin, but then ur psyspam MU will be worse
charred saddle
idk, havent played with wake teams
craggy dagger
wake is wake
autumn vault
Wake is Woke
vapid hedge
also there isn't imprison
Had imprison on fari, didnt get much value from it tho :/
craggy dagger
wake actually isnt bad but wake fits better on lilikoal
cause wake completes the fwg trio and also benefits the sun...
but thats imo
autumn vault
cause wake completes the fwg trio and also benefits the sun...
but thats imo
Fire Water Grass core is good for any team ngl
autumn vault
I was going to say psyspam is really bad but then i remembered i am building a team with Calyrex-Shadow with Indeedee and chi-yu
Honestly very evil
craggy dagger
lmao-
vapid hedge
Is there an easier way than make a pokepaste in showdown? Can i use the rental code instead somewhere?
autumn vault
Is there an easier way than make a pokepaste in showdown? Can i use the rental c...
sort of
craggy dagger
not that i know of?
autumn vault
I don't think so but maybe i am wrong