competitive_discussion

[burnt marsh]

Might even survive after terra

[molten oasis]

Just run miraidon by itself then lmao

[tired sage]

but-
thunder-

[autumn vault]

electric terrain helps thunder

[molten oasis]

But-wellspring doesn’t care it’ll horn leech or if it Tera’s it gets to eat Tera boosted rain boosted icy cudgel

Yiu see, wellspring ain’t going anywhere lmao

Although

It’ll probably not be as dominant

It’ll be a common kyogre answer for sure

[burnt marsh]

I know this is probably a stupid question but if you Tera into dragon type does dragon cheer give the extra boost?

[molten oasis]

Yes

But only if they’re dragon when dragon cheer goes out

[autumn vault]

also groudon will be used more because flutter ohko's koraidon with a fairy move and will force it to tera

groudon can ohko it with heavy slam

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-bttv-twitch-emote-gif-15123134

[burnt marsh]

This gives me evil ideas

[molten oasis]

Groudon? Koraidon exists

I don’t have to rely on precipice blades hitting anymore

[autumn vault]

true

[molten oasis]

Koraidon will probably be the premier sun restricted

I can see a use case for groudon (not dying to fsiry moves, ie zacian)

[autumn vault]

korai is slower than zacian

[molten oasis]

Cuz, Yk, zacian exists

[autumn vault]

and fucker mane exists to abuse sun

[molten oasis]

Yes

Zacian will be, good

Even with its nerfs

Insane typing, insane stats, great movepool

[autumn vault]

Did you know a bulky flutter can survive a modest max sp. attack calyrex shadow?

[molten oasis]

Yea

Can it live +1 behemoth blade?

[burnt marsh]

What about when you start factoring in Ruin abilities

[molten oasis]

[autumn vault]

252+ SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 180 HP / 76 SpD Flutter Mane: 146-174 (95.4 - 113.7%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

[molten oasis]

Pao zacian, pao ray, chi caly, chi miraidon

[autumn vault]

never ever will

[molten oasis]

Pao solgaleo

[burnt marsh]

Turn on beads

Is it enough?

[molten oasis]

Yes, it absolutely should

[autumn vault]

yes it is

[molten oasis]

Also guys, remember, caly can Tera out if it’s weaknesses

So

Tera fsiry Tera blast

[autumn vault]

252+ SpA Beads of Ruin Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Flutter Mane: 170-204 (104.9 - 125.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[molten oasis]

LMFAO

Nice flutter nerd

[burnt marsh]

Even with a helping hand

[autumn vault]

i am a flutter hater and seeing a sp. attack ohko on it is very satisfying

[molten oasis]

I hate it

[autumn vault]

same

[burnt marsh]

But then again why HH if you can double attack

[molten oasis]

Zacian will be my best friend

Cuz it deletes it

[autumn vault]

and calyrex shadow with chi-yu

[molten oasis]

And also I’m actually fond of zacian

[burnt marsh]

Double attack can cover for switching

[molten oasis]

Ik zacian is hated on because of swsh and a little cuz of unite

[solar breach]

What if, rhyperior and regieleki on a team

https://pokepast.es/3dc8e15c39bb1c70

[molten oasis]

But also like, sick ass sword doggo

[autumn vault]

and that it took love from zamazenta (the better dog)

[molten oasis]

There’s usually a favorite between the 2 box arts

[next stump]

why no TR setter?

[molten oasis]

Sorry, personally gotta disagree with you on that one but that’s just me

People like zama I respect it

I like zacian more, I have a shiny one too

[wicked moon]

I have a ping in this channel but I’m to lazy to scroll up all the way

[solar breach]

I just didn’t see much of a need
I have Tailwind and electro web for speed control and if the enemy uses trick room theyre enabling my rhyperior so they have natural pressure

[autumn vault]

but no tr

[next stump]

I don't see the vision of the team, but if it works for you then godspeed

[molten oasis]

I feel tr benefits rhyoerior a lot

[autumn vault]

way more than more speed

[molten oasis]

But if it works it works ig

[burnt marsh]

"Makes finger pyramid infront of mouth and smiles" what about Origin form

[molten oasis]

Dialga and Palkia origin forms?

[burnt marsh]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

They looks alright

[burnt marsh]

They both have decent types

[autumn vault]

origin dialga is worse than normal dialga imo

[molten oasis]

Not getting access to an item I think kinda hurts it, at least I think that’s how it works

[autumn vault]

only better to take special hits better and for a small boost to its stabs, otherwise dialga > Origin dialga

[molten oasis]

I mean

The stat spreads of the origin forms are better

Like, no question about it

[burnt marsh]

Didn't hurt our favorite oger and the oger can only Tera into one type depending on the mask

[molten oasis]

True yea

[autumn vault]

but it changes type (and to better types) and rock/water/fire ivy cudgel is so much better

[molten oasis]

We’ve seen mons can get by without abilities and items

Hands pretty much never uses its ability

[autumn vault]

and bundle

[molten oasis]

No bundle does booster speed

Bolt kinda doesn’t need proto to be good

[burnt marsh]

Dialga also gets access to steel beam now but I wouldn't use that in competitive LOL I was just saying

[molten oasis]

The booster speed mons do really like the ability

Anyway with the origin forms

I’m not really sure tbh, we’ll have to see

[autumn vault]

in singles atleast origin dialga is worse

[solar breach]

Ok I found maybe the most specific trick room setter for the team
I’m cooking

[molten oasis]

We’ve seen play from Kyogre, Zacian, Miraidon kinda, and caly

Can’t say the same about the origin forms

(Mirai and Korsi were legal in some global tournaments last year)

[burnt marsh]

Wait wait wait. What about spatial rend origin form Palkia next to a Pokemon that uses Dragon cheer

[molten oasis]

That could be decent

I have my restricted duo already

Wellspring+zacian baybee

[burnt marsh]

Isn't that 100% crit chance

[molten oasis]

Idk

[burnt marsh]

120 base speed isn't bad

[solar breach]

https://pokepast.es/c001aa805241f0b2

[burnt marsh]

You know what we might just see them yeah

I'm down to see them for the first format they will ever be used in

sounds refreshing

[autumn vault]

imagine they do the top 10 getting banned like in swsh

[molten oasis]

Yea

[autumn vault]

honestly would be a nice surprise

[burnt marsh]

And they both get telepathy? Honestly both telepathy and pressure are great abilities for this format

[molten oasis]

I mean, who knows, I think terapagos will be strong, also what?

[burnt marsh]

Alot of moves that have low pp

[molten oasis]

Telepathy sucks lmao

[autumn vault]

not to EQ

[burnt marsh]

Tele is okay for eq spam

[molten oasis]

What is using eq rn

[autumn vault]

a partner's eq will never hurt dialga

[molten oasis]

Rillaboom ruins eq

And rillaboom isn’t going away

[burnt marsh]

Idk just used to saying Tele is good bc eq spam used to be betteer

[autumn vault]

maybe rilla dies out

[molten oasis]

No

Rillaboom is likely gonna be a thing to fight miraidon (terrain wise)

[burnt marsh]

I keep forgetting EQ spam is dying if not already dead

[solar breach]

So what does telepathy do again

[autumn vault]

fair enough

[solar breach]

I’ve never seen it be used

[burnt marsh]

You can't be hit by your partner's damage moves

[molten oasis]

Yiu don’t take damage from your partners attacks

[solar breach]

Oh
That’s ass

[molten oasis]

That’s what I’m saying

[burnt marsh]

It used to be pretty good when earthquakes spam was everywhere but yeah I can see now that it is falling out bad

[molten oasis]

And the thing with pressure, a lot of games end before you get that much value out of it

[burnt marsh]

The only time it's really that much of a punish is when they forget to use PP UPS

[molten oasis]

Especially when nuke buttons are everywhere

[solar breach]

Pressure would only be good on really hard stall teams, which is a very uncommon archetype in doubles

[molten oasis]

Cuz it sucks

[solar breach]

It’s usually not gonna be worth
Like basically every pokemon with pressure has a better ability

[molten oasis]

Usually

[burnt marsh]

Aside from all that, they both still have really good defensive typings with only two weaknesses.

[molten oasis]

My calls rn are caly shadow #1, Mirai Korai Zacian Kyogre maybe groudon and Terapagos will be common restricted choices (we only get 1 for now) and like, the others will be niche cases

[tired sage]

shadow will be top 100%
psyspam too good to pass up and an easy +2

[burnt marsh]

You think they will let us use mythics so that we can use the new mythic?

[molten oasis]

Then from the current meta I’m expecting incin, rillaboom, ogerpons, maybe bolt, genies, Deedee, maybe Fari, shifus, and treasures of ruin will stick around

[solar breach]

It’s so dumb that calyrex shadow rider will get expanding force
Who thought that was ok

[burnt marsh]

Prob not

[molten oasis]

At the end when no one cares

[burnt marsh]

Yeah same as usual

[molten oasis]

Game freak

Cuz they’re dumb

[solar breach]

This was masuda’s final F U to VGC before retiring

[molten oasis]

Yea I, I’m not looking forward to caly shadow at all

[burnt marsh]

It's just one big expanding farce

[molten oasis]

I think it’s just, really unhealthy for the game

At least zacian got nerfed and miraidon/koraidon have to deal with weather/terrain wars

Caly can just, click buttons

And win

[burnt marsh]

Yes i mean farce not force
"Farce" a comic dramatic work using buffoonery and horseplay and typically including crude characterization and ludicrously improbable situations.

[molten oasis]

Lol

Although

Terapagos might be an answer to caly

It’s tanky, does not give a shit about astral barrage

And has a 120 base special spread move with 0 drawback (post Tera)

And like, it’s not resisted by ANYTHING

[burnt marsh]

Off topic I put Steller Tera on one of my regigigas's because it just feels right. Prob will never use it in competitive. But yeah

[molten oasis]

Funny lol

[burnt marsh]

I still don't know what core I'm going to use or if I'm going to play this next format

I'm kind of getting a little burnt out but I'm hoping other Pokemon will add a little more fun to the game but honestly how much more fun can they add when they've been in the game already they're just getting a new bag of tricks

[molten oasis]

I’ll be playing, Zacoger (not zacogre)

There’s a difference

[solar breach]

I’m gonna be an origin dialga believer

And a koraidon/Jumpluff core believer

[molten oasis]

Sure, that could work

[burnt marsh]

Does wake have any place in this new meta lol

I feel kinda bad for it

We waited so long for it to be legal and now we never see it

It got ogerpwnd

[molten oasis]

Sun Mon

[burnt marsh]

Even then though water absorb oger

Slurps it up

[molten oasis]

Eh, it’s not like ogerpon can hit it back

[burnt marsh]

Ogrepon this gen is pretty much like give me a straw no actually forget the straw "chugs full pitcher" and yeah that's true. But it can sure as heck help its partners so they can

I say gen but I mean this format lol sorry

This is it's first genn

Prob won't be it's last either unless they put a pin in it.

[autumn vault]

doubt it

it was never rampaging the meta unlike a certain bear with unseen fist

[burnt marsh]

I'm sorry but the only place bear is going probably is in the next top finals next gen LOL

It and incin.

[tired sage]

evil bear will be up there but not water bear

[autumn vault]

TPC will buff incin every gen

[tired sage]

untrue actually

they took away knock off for swsh

[autumn vault]

it gained it back

• helping hand

[burnt marsh]

be honest what could they possibly give it after giving it both knock off and parting shot with intimidate? I'm not being sarcastic I'm being serious like what move would be any metas ultimate demise

[autumn vault]

if they give it, uhhhhh

[crude pollen]

Sacred fire

[autumn vault]

its not a deity unlike Ho-Oh and entei (its a deity in comp doubles, singles has trash incin)

[burnt marsh]

But it's not a special attacker

[autumn vault]

what they could give it is swagger, confide, thunder wave, scary face, screens and wicked blow

then i have literally no idea what to give it

[burnt marsh]

What if they gave it feint 💀💀

Who cares if you protect

[autumn vault]

feint is useless af

only good onto protect

otherwise its trash and Quick Attack outclasses it

[burnt marsh]

It would open up am I gonna fake out or feint mind games

[autumn vault]

but seriously after considering those moves what else?

nothing at all

[burnt marsh]

Feint doesn't just hurt them through protect it breaks it. So your partner can also hit them. But yeah its pretty niche

[autumn vault]

honestly to nerf incin remove parting shot and helping hand

also maybe fake out

i can't think of other nerfs that make sense

[burnt marsh]

Yeah just remove its whole kit that fixs it lol

😅

[autumn vault]

i like the new team in #rental_teams ngl

ML Lacius really did make a good team

only issue is that farigiraf has psychic noise

[molten oasis]

Psychic noise isn’t super bad

Psychic is better but, hands disappearing kinda removes its use case

[autumn vault]

you are right its just that blocking recovery although very good sometimes it just isn't worth it to run it a lot of the times

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[tired sage]

psychic noise is good wym

stops drain punch giga drain

horn leech

[molten oasis]

Those moves aren’t common enough to justify it

That is why you don’t run it

[autumn vault]

also who tf runs giga drain?

drain punch and horn leech i understand, but giga drain isn't used like, at all

[tired sage]

horn leech though-

[tired sage]

on those random ludicolos that pop up now and then

[molten oasis]

Volcarona, Hydrapple

That’s it tho lol

Drain punch on hands, horn leech on the pons

[echo hatch]

I have seen drain punch on shifu a couple times, don’t remember if it was rapid or single but it pissed me off

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/52cf6239771115ad anyways here is the team, any final changes before i make a rental of it tomorrow?

[echo hatch]

I learned today and through my matches recently that AV is better on Raging Bolt than lefties but that’s probably the most valuable feedback I would be able to give

[autumn vault]

I think leftovers is better, calm mind gives the 1.5 boost but with 1.5 sp. Attack

[echo hatch]

Oh I didn’t even notice it had calm mind

Yes for that set lefties is better mb

Could run d pulse instead of meteor if you want to avoid miss and stat drop

Mostly preference tho I suppose

[molten oasis]

You want pulse instead of Draco

With calm mind, imo

@autumn vault

Otherwise it looks good

[autumn vault]

I usually use draco to finish off an opponent quickly

But the sp attack drops force it to be way too bulky

[molten oasis]

You do you

[autumn vault]

Pulse might be better in this case

[echo hatch]

Pulse is really only for the calm mind set from what I can tell, and meteor is much better when you don’t have CM

[autumn vault]

But idk

Maybe draco is better

Maybe pulse is better

[dusty gate]

It was more common at the time of building, I just forgot to finish the write up for a while. Though I have been finding the heal block still useful.

[autumn vault]

Btw outside of that drawback your team is actually pretty good

[dusty gate]

Don't forget about how much Tofu and Leo helped me out lol, I will say though it was really fun getting the mons together and building them in game.

[autumn vault]

Of course ik they helped

[bold geode]

Guys Palafin is trash

Just fought one
It didn't do shit

[tired sage]

mhm

[next stump]

https://twitter.com/playpokemon/status/1760393962206925032?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

hack check crackdown intensifies

Play Pokémon (@playpokemon) on X

🚨 Attention, Trainers!

Starting with the Utrecht Special Event on 3/2, competitors will be required to enter a Rental Team ID when registering their #PokemonVG teams. Please be prepared to provide this by registration deadlines as standard procedure.

➡ https://t.co/5Ar25CNcSq

Twitter · Feb 21, 2024, 8:00 PM

[molten oasis]

Makes sense

[polar canyon]

Regieleki would be nasty if it had weather ball

Snow eleki wouldn't need tera ice for coverage

Snow eleki would be real

[strange fjord]

Interesting. I bet people are scrambling to get some of their Pokemon legit rn.

[polar canyon]

Are hacked ones that common?

[autumn vault]

i think so

[polar canyon]

Like I'd get it in earlier gens because breeding and getting comp mons was ridiculous

But now you can't use that excuse

[strange fjord]

There was quite the controversy when they did a wide hack check on worlds last year.

[polar canyon]

They made it easy now

[strange fjord]

Some people got DQ'd

[polar canyon]

Easyish

[strange fjord]

munch better than before.

[polar canyon]

Munching rn

[strange fjord]

fr

[polar canyon]

This sub is fire

[next stump]

a lot of hack check failures are for version exclusive legendaries or for one-time encounter stuff like ting lu

[polar canyon]

What even is their hack check?

Do they just eyeball it

[strange fjord]

Nah, they look through the data of the Pokemon. Exact procedures are unknown. But they def check the Pokemon Home ID, which Pokemon like Urshifu can fail if generated incorrectly.

[polar canyon]

Scanning through data and still missing a hack check is pretty atrocious

[strange fjord]

As in, if you make an Urshifu and put it into Pokemon SV, then into Home. Its gets flagged as hacked since it doesn't have a Home ID.

[polar canyon]

I wonder if they've also allowed hacked ones because the scan failed to detect it just like how it falsely accused people

[strange fjord]

I doubt they falsely accuse, but a well hacked Pokemon is identical to a legit one, therefore bypassing the hack check.

[next stump]

well unfortunately never know how they actually hack check because then players and bots would crack it

[strange fjord]

all it takes is 1 mistake and its over

[next stump]

they definitely have some kind of new tool or procedure this year because it’s catching people left and right, especially in europe

[polar canyon]

Must suck if you get your legendary from a trade you trusted and turns out you're disqualified

[next stump]

the best solution would be having some kind of in game hack check

[strange fjord]

The Pokemon Home Tracker is most likely the thing that gets them since its gets generated server side of Pokemon Home.

[next stump]

if a player is traded something and it fails the hack check, don’t use it in a tournament

solves every issue

[strange fjord]

OR, you can't trade a Pokemon if it fails a hack check.

server side on the internets and boom.

[next stump]

that would work to, some kind of hack check during the trading process

[strange fjord]

you can trade to hack check and you limit hacked Pokemon

[molten oasis]

Are they amping up the hack check?

Again?

[strange fjord]

Just in tournament stuff

[molten oasis]

Ah ok

[polar canyon]

If they ban people from online for trading hackmons they have a way to know

[strange fjord]

this here

[molten oasis]

Makes sense I suppose

[polar canyon]

Or is this like only a thing that happens for blatant undisguised hacks

Like unreleased shinies and stuff

[strange fjord]

hypothetical discussion on hack checks on internet trades they can do.

they don't do this yet

[next stump]

they did already collect rental codes but only if you made day 2, now they’re stretching it to the entire tournament as a registration requirement

[polar canyon]

I wonder if they'll allow me to sign up for the next reg with the shiny urshifu my buddy got legit and then traded to me

[next stump]

I hope that they test the rentals before the tournament starts and tells you if you fail the hack check so you can change the team, but I doubt it

[strange fjord]

good thing every Pokemon I use is always from one of my own games.

[polar canyon]

Some pokemon I use aren't my own

Because they're rental teams

[autumn vault]

honestly they should have a hack check for trading

it could stop genning (not as a whole but can partially solve it)

[polar canyon]

Showing up to an official tourney with an urshifu I nicknamed pkhex.com

machamps.com

[next stump]

something very similar happened at worlds lol

[strange fjord]

probably get banned no?

[next stump]

Guillermo Castillo showed up with a team named “PKHex” and got a round loss despite the pokémon being legit

[autumn vault]

But atleast Guillermo was pretty brave to bring a mon with that name

his ability might be guts

[karmic temple]

How did he get it legit lol

[polar canyon]

That's the joke

[polar canyon]

I wonder if nicknaming something the name of a digimon or a palworld pal would be against the spirit of the game

Being against the spirit of the game is kinda vague

[molten oasis]

Well I may be going through the hack check, imma try to go to NAIC

TRY, cuz it’s fucking expensive

[coral niche]

wait, so the "legal" ga bots are really just a way to get banned?

[sullen elk]

im having fun with this team but i also feel like it struggles a lot with set up any thoughts? LOL

[next stump]

don’t use anything you’re traded in a real life tournament

[coral niche]

i can give link to ga, bc i do not have the time to get them..

actually

i will just try my best to get them..

[storm zodiac]

hey guys i dont what team to use for my pokemon voilet team how about you guys chose a random team for me

[coral niche]

latios, alolan muk, therian landorus, ogerpon, amoongus, and chien-pao

lol.

[storm zodiac]

lol

How you expect me to get those at the start of the game

hey guys i dont what team to use for my pokemon voilet team how about you guys chose a random team for me

[coral niche]

oh

this is competitive discussion.

just use what you get

i reccomend using meowscarada, it is a rlly good mon for runs imo

[storm zodiac]

ok

i love fuecoco

its so cute

[coral niche]

lol

[storm zodiac]

so got any team ideas

[real prairie]

#sv_discussion might be a good place to chat about a play through, when you finish the game and want to progress to competitive, give us a shout

[storm zodiac]

oo

ok

[real prairie]

Love the DP though

[bold geode]

This could go badly
Then again, the fucking Amoongus thing in Knox has me thinking that having Pokemon is illegal lmao

[knotty mirage]

Damn good to know they finally taking hack check this seriously

[bold geode]

Yeah
The same people who had a head judge tell a player to use third party software

[rustic mountain]

wat was the amoongus thing

[bold geode]

Basically this guy has both versions right
They transferred an Amoongus from one to another
BUT
On both versions, they used the same name
So the judges said it was hacked cuz same OT but different Trainer ID

[rustic mountain]

dude

thats such b.s

[bold geode]

Lmao

And then another player was told by the head judge at Knoxville to use third party software

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

So you wanna have a head judge tell someone to use the software that is the reason y'all have to enforce these hack checks
But then enforce them harder?
Huh?

[rustic mountain]

makes no sense

also if ur gna do it, do it right, same ot different id being auto flagged is crazy

unless the guy is lying and other flags popped up

[bold geode]

Honestly hopefully that happened cuz if so by God

[rustic mountain]

if not thats disgusting

[bold geode]

Yeah
Gotta change your name bro lmao

Got punished for buying our products lmao get fucked idiot

[rustic mountain]

hahaha

thanks for the cash, chump

[bold geode]

New rule: Pokemon aren't allowed

[cyan smelt]

So they're punishing people who buy both versions, wtf

[bold geode]

Even though they release version exclusives

[rustic mountain]

same thing for the gcs

u cant do 2 versions same switch anymore

like if some1 spends $ for both and wants to play 90 games? let em

[cyan smelt]

Yeah if they want to play against muk smeargle 90 times who are they hurting

[rustic mountain]

r they perpetually locked in the 1450s?

otherwise who tf else is gna b playing muk

[cyan smelt]

Idk wasn't it really popular in gc1

[rustic mountain]

was it? i played it once nd that was their rank

[cyan smelt]

No idea, I didn't play but I'm gonna play the next one

[rustic mountain]

gl

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/492ba218f0568a53 thoughts on team?

[tired sage]

BABY CHI YUUUU-
but what’s with that weird spread-

[timber falcon]

I choose evs on impulse

Lol

[tired sage]

also 68-?

wait no my math is off that’s me

[cyan smelt]

Why effect spore on mushroom

[solid frigate]

oooo Goggles Salamence?

[timber falcon]

Forgot to change

[timber falcon]

I don’t want him sleeping

[solid frigate]

I should refer every Goggles Mon as Google

[solid frigate]

it would be fun to see but i usually just Give more damage

[tired sage]

support sala is good

[solid frigate]

Chi Yu Movesets is the usual... although if you have Snarl you probably stick with Life Orb

and you already had amoongus for Pollen Puff Heal

[tired sage]

specs snarl still does enough to scare someone

[dawn crown]

does anyone have a rillaboom set assult vest*

[molten oasis]

Y’all will have a new rental soon

I got something quite good

[tired sage]

ooooooo-
i’m looking forwards to it drago

[molten oasis]

It didn’t crop fuck

-6 from wins -3 from losses the team went 25/10

Most losses were to piloting

[crude pollen]

What's a good tera for Iron Boulder? Thinking fairy or fighting atm

[molten oasis]

Uhhhhh

Depends on the team cuz boulders’ typing is ass lol

[dusty gate]

This is up now if anyone isn't already aware.

https://twitter.com/SerebiiNet/status/1760454354534912404

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet) on X

Serebii Update: Registration is now open for the Pokémon Scarlet & Violet Global Challenge 2024 II online competition. Registration runs until February 29th 2024.

All participants get 100,000 LP, Ability Patch and Gold Bottle Cap

Details @ https://t.co/1uj5MeRIVn

Twitter · Feb 22, 2024, 12:00 AM

[cyan smelt]

If I lock in a team for gc can I still use it on the in-game ladder

[dusty gate]

Don't believe so.

[cyan smelt]

Great so I'm gonna have to shiny hunt my whole team twice and ev train it twice

[dusty gate]

You could just not lock in until just before it starts,

[crude pollen]

Team atm for Boulder question reference, but also thinking of replacing Valiant for glass cannon Flutter with sash
https://pokepast.es/6c7771d6f63800f7

[next stump]

I think you can make two battle teams with the same pokemon

but I could be wrong, that's how it used to work for regionals

[dusty gate]

Registration lasts until Feb 29th, won't we have a new Reg for March?

[karmic temple]

We could

Global challenge doesn’t necessarily have to follow the regulation we’re in right?

But we would’ve gotten some sort of info by now if there were any sort of regulation changes

[next stump]

new reg is May 1

[tired sage]

right before worlds again-

[merry tartan]

Here's the final lineup for my Light and Dark team for VGC!

[solid frigate]

Knock off over Snarl on Incineroar

[solid frigate]

One Steel Type:

just one Orthworm can sweep at least 2 pokemon

With Body Press and iron Head Combo

[merry tartan]

Gardevoir has coverage with Tera Fire, and Mystical Fire.

And Focus Blast.

And Hydreigon with Fire Blast.

[solid frigate]

its still not consistent,cuz not that much people use Gardevoir in VGC

also Umbreon should had Foul Play-

[timber falcon]

I can’t get my teams to 60 GXE (I should probably make different accounts for each)

[merry tartan]

So, people would use Flutter Mane instead of Gardevoir? Is that why?

[timber falcon]

Why clear amulet on umbreon? For defence drops?

[solid frigate]

because its actually a Better Mon-

Speed Protosynthesis can outspeed almost everything

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 282: Gardevoir

Types

Psychic/Fairy

Abilities

Synchronize, Trace, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

68/65/65/125/115/80

Total

518

Other Formes

Gardevoir-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[merry tartan]

That leads to a problem, Flutter Mane is seen as a threat, but Gardevoir does not.

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 987: Flutter Mane

Types

Ghost/Fairy

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/55/55/135/135/135

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[timber falcon]

Flutter looks way more scary yeah

[solid frigate]

but Gardevoir has Trick Sets which we would consider everything as a Threat in VGC

[timber falcon]

Only that it gets OHKO by most meta mons

[merry tartan]

The reason for Defiant on Kingambit, is because of Intimidate Pokemon like Incineroar and Landorus-T.

[solid frigate]

we know that since its the most Common Abilty for it besides Overlord

[timber falcon]

Don’t worry about lando-T much it’s mainly gonna be Incin

[solid frigate]

Yeah Lando T is dropped off cuz it can't keep up with the meta

[merry tartan]

That's why I gave it tera Flying, to remove the Fire weakness, and damage Incineroar still.

[timber falcon]

Also why not just go life orb over glasses

On hydreigon

[solid frigate]

also The Team does not have Speed Control

[timber falcon]

Items rly need fixing tbh

[solid frigate]

Not a Single Pokemon has Speed Control

[merry tartan]

3 words.
Mimikyu, Shadow Sneak.

[solid frigate]

Any Normal Type:

[timber falcon]

Any mon:

Shadow sneak ain’t gonna do nun half the time

And that’s not speed control, that’s a weak priority option

[solid frigate]

Agreed

[timber falcon]

U can do tr mimikyu

[merry tartan]

Solution: Swords Dance.

[timber falcon]

That would work

[solid frigate]

what mean by Speed Control is Trick Room,Icy Wind, Tailwind

any moves that Boost or Lowers speed

[bold geode]

Make it a rental
You can use it then

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 778: Mimikyu

Types

Ghost/Fairy

Abilities

Disguise

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/90/80/50/105/96

Total

476

Other Formes

Mimikyu-Busted, Mimikyu-Totem, Mimikyu-Busted-Totem

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[timber falcon]

Even swords dance mimikyu gonna struggle

[bold geode]

Anyways time to judge people on their rentals

[timber falcon]

Do tr for at least some speed control

[solid frigate]

And Mimikyu is in a Awkward Speed Tier,Fast but not extremely Fast and Its not as Slow to be on Trick Room efficently

[bold geode]

Priority moves also are technically a form of speed control

[timber falcon]

Kinda, but then you’ve got shadow sneak which is too weak to be considered good enough for a team

[merry tartan]

So, instead of Wish on Umbreon, I've gave it Moonlight.

[timber falcon]

U should also give it lefties imo

Clear amulet isn’t as useful there

[solid frigate]

do Wish,Protect,Foul Play and either Sub or HH

[dusty gate]

[timber falcon]

Yeah gotta have a damaging move

[solid frigate]

Dark Pulse and Foul Play are Prior good Dark Moves for Umbreon,But Foul Plays Checks any set up sweepers like Garchomp,D-Dance Gouging Fire or Bax

[timber falcon]

And for a slow team only one singular mon has protect, which isn’t great

[solid frigate]

mhm

[solid frigate]

also Even then I would reckon Archaludon+Pelipper can sweep the entire team-

maybe not Umbreon

but 5/6

[timber falcon]

Yeah maybe give gambit low kick in place for ace

[solid frigate]

Yeah cuz Aerial Ace on Gambit,nobody uses it,or its just very Rare

[timber falcon]

And it’s not as useful

[solid frigate]

and even then,you have Accumulated so many Defense on Archaludon that Low Kick does not do any damnage-

[dusty gate]

Oh, I didn't realise it would be 4 months I assumed 2.

[solid frigate]

is it gonna be Reg G? but what would be the List of mons that are Viable or is it gonna be the same

[merry tartan]

Or Brick Break?

[timber falcon]

Low kick takes care if Incin

Quite effectively

[solid frigate]

also Urshifu might as well Tearing Umbrreon cuz Umbreon can't be safe around Protect-

[merry tartan]

But Low Kick's power depends on the opposing Pokemon's weight.

[dapper crag]

Move: Low Kick

This move's power is 20 if the target weighs less than 10 kg, 40 if less than 25 kg, 60 if less than 50 kg, 80 if less than 100 kg, 100 if less than 200 kg, and 120 if greater than or equal to 200 kg.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Move: Low Sweep

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Speed by 1 stage.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

65

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[solid frigate]

did OTOT mean Low Sweep?

[solid frigate]

Oh Yeah Umbreon's Wish Protect Strat might be Useless if Urshifu is around

[merry tartan]

It is Speed Control, right?

[solid frigate]

yeah

[merry tartan]

Or I can use Tera Flying Tera Blast instead of Aerial Ace.

[solid frigate]

yeah it could work

252+ Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Umbreon: 308-366 (152.4 - 181.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Also Yeah-

[merry tartan]

One up side that Aerial Ace has is that it never misses, like Swift, but for a single target.

[solid frigate]

but its not gonna matter cuz i did not see anyone who has Gambit uses Aerial Ace

its not reliable like Acrobatics without Items on

[merry tartan]

If Kingambit could learn Acrobatics.

[solid frigate]

thats the point,might as well use Tera Blast.

[bold geode]

Well my point was you said it wasn't speed control, when it is

[merry tartan]

Plus, Aerial Ace under Tera Flying with a Muscle Band would be a huge boon, you know?

[timber falcon]

but then again speed control are moves that affect speed, which priority moves dont count im pretty sure

[bold geode]

If that's the case, then Fake Out and Grassy Glide aren't speed control either, but get this
They are

[timber falcon]

fake out is speed control?????

thats news to me

[bold geode]

Yes
You're affecting the tempo of the game

Same as Glide

Well that's just like attacking priority moves iirc
Follow Me and Rage Powder while they are priority moves, they're still redirection

[timber falcon]

huh dang i was sure you had to affect the speed of the mons for it to be speed control

[bold geode]

I mean you're moving before them so

[charred saddle]

i dont think fake out counts as speed control tho monke

[timber falcon]

yeah it feels odd

[charred saddle]

it just sets the tempo of the game with glide

its just prio

[bold geode]

It's not really like well

It's not considered speed control like TW and TR are

But it's like that side bar of speed control

[timber falcon]

cause priority and speed are seperate things no? no matter the speed priority goes first

[bold geode]

It can mess with the tempo of the game if done right

[timber falcon]

but tempo isnt speed

[charred saddle]

i mean. for me tempo =/= speed control

[timber falcon]

as in speed of the mon

[bold geode]

@mighty stump man am I talking out my ass here or?

[charred saddle]

you can still control the game with tempo when u lost the speed control

[bold geode]

I know someone who knew wtf they was talking about told me this

[charred saddle]

like they can set TW and TR and like icy wind but still ur setting the tempo to be faster

ur forcing them to do more damage and not be passive

[timber falcon]

i mean he might not be super reliable idk but Wolfie said this:

Although both players input their moves at the same time during a battle, Pokémon move in an order determined by their Speed stat. This makes the Speed stat one of the most fundamental elements of a Pokémon battle. Moves that alter Speed stats or otherwise change the order in which the Pokémon move in during a turn are referred to as “Speed control”. In this article, we’ll break down the most common elements of Speed control so that you can make informed choices for your own team.

Monkes right

the article does say priority affects the speed of the battle

[bold geode]

Ok

[charred saddle]

idk still feels its different, especially for stuff like armor tail + psychic terrains

[solid frigate]

you said my line lol

[timber falcon]

true but i cant argue against that world champ differnece

[bold geode]

I mean there's things that fuck with speed control right
Taunts for Trick Room
Prankster Taunt for other stuff
Covert Cloak messes with Fake Out
So

[timber falcon]

armour tail and queens majesty

[charred saddle]

thats different. ur forced to use items and moves to stop them, this is ability

[bold geode]

Ultimately speed control also messes with the tempo
At the end of the day, we use these tools to try and have that tempo favorable to us

[bold geode]

Prankster Taunt is based off an ability

[timber falcon]

btw any of you even know of the ability dazzling? It sure suprised me

[bold geode]

We don't talk about that

[dapper crag]

Ability: Dazzling

Priority moves used by opposing Pokemon targeting this Pokemon or its allies are prevented from having an effect.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[bold geode]

Fuck Bruxish

[timber falcon]

lmao

[charred saddle]

i mean prankster does still fall to ability, but its also prio and u do need to move

[solid frigate]

yeah nobody really uses it

[charred saddle]

dont get me wrong, i do understand ur point. i just dont like’ that tempo = speed control

speed control does help setting up the tempo but that doesnt meant that they are the same

[bold geode]

Well that part I worded a bit wrong

[charred saddle]

or like prio

[bold geode]

Essentially priority is speed control as just like TW or TR, it can affect the tempo of the game

As speed control affects tempo of the game

[charred saddle]

prio moves are tempo for me. its more like egoistical thing, only you gets the tempo

TW, TR, icy wind, or like other stuff like twave prankster, or the thing to lower speed with prankster are for me considered speed control. since not only that mon that gets the benefit from the “speed control”

[grizzled sonnet]

I do like tailwind speed control

Plan to get back into competive myself soon

[bold geode]

I mean it's just a general perspective right
Since tempo is just the pace the game is going
So like priority spam right or your HO teams (TW and kinda TR) are where you use those said speed control to make the tempo a faster pace where you're picking up KOs
Part of the reason why Hands was popular in Reg D, cuz it was hard to take out quickly and could slow down that tempo

[grizzled sonnet]

I see more raging bolts alot

[bold geode]

Well I meant in Regulation D
Now Bolt is a big thing but Bolt didn't exist in Reg D

[solid frigate]

Tailwind+Trick Room Team:My personal favourite for Trolling

[grizzled sonnet]

I'm working on an idea for one. To play some vgc battles. Honestly I want to get back into it

[solid frigate]

thats great

[molten oasis]

Don’t use bruxish, use Fari

It’s just better

[grizzled sonnet]

Tornadus + Raging bolt I like alot

Farigiraf as well.

[torn parrot]

prio is absolutely a form of speed control imo

it's a way of moving first at the end of the day

and if you have enough prio and strong enough prio on a team becomes a more reliable form of a speed control

it's literally just about moving first which is like the definition of speed control

@bold geode i agree with u

[mighty stump]

Prio isn’t speed control though

its outside of speed control

[karmic temple]

Indeedee and fari say hello

[torn parrot]

any move or ability that affects the turn order is speed control imo

[karmic temple]

(Me forgetting how to spell farigarf)

[fallen garden]

bro it's the same both ways

[torn parrot]

or even an item taht affects turn order is speed control

[fallen garden]

farigiraf

[karmic temple]

Well I’m a dumb bitch so !!

[torn parrot]

tons of thinsg are speed control its not so narrow as tailwind and trick room

[fallen garden]

not anymore! you have graduated from dumb bitch school and are now knowledgeable

[torn parrot]

• icy wind type moves

outside of speed control makes no sense

all of them have the same goal

controlling what moving first

that's all speed control is

[echo hatch]

Is there an item that protects against priority moves?

[crude pollen]

Just abilities and quick guard

[karmic temple]

Psychic terrain and armor tail passive

[echo hatch]

Does shifu get quick guard

[karmic temple]

You don’t need quick guard if you use protect

[echo hatch]

No I just had fake out fail on an urshifu and I have no idea why

No terrain, no farig

[karmic temple]

Either protect or it wasn’t the first turn for the pokemon being out

Or ghost tera

[echo hatch]

I thought it was first turn, I must have forgotten

[atomic portal]

https://www.vgcguide.com/speed-control

[karmic temple]

lol tofu knows what speed control is

He’s a ✨competitive helper✨

[atomic portal]

yeah everyone knows hes good - but still a bad take

much respect to him and his teams - much better than i am - just being cheeky

[grizzled sonnet]

I often just check out the different teams here. But going to be building up a doubles team soon myself

[bold geode]

Nah Tofu knows his stuff so

Listen to Tofu before you listen to my goofy ass lmao

[torn parrot]

nah
i think he can be a great amazing player who is super skilled, but still define what fits into speed control incorrectly

i'm listening to myself

[atomic portal]

plus its not out of speed control if there are factors that can still affect prio order - bascu aqua jet vs chien pao sucker for example

[torn parrot]

thats very true

[bold geode]

So can you explain why cuz like
I said that it was as both can mess with the tempo of the game
Why you say it not

[mighty stump]

Why it isn’t speed control? Cause it’s outwith priority brackets. If you’re competing in the same priority brackets regular forms of speed control is still necessary

So as standalone it just doesn’t count

It doesn’t also fully enable your team such as standard speed control/speed stat changes

And VGCguide just says youre bypassing speed control

Bypass doesn’t mean youre controlling anything

Tempo of the game would refer to the board state in itself

Sucker vs Sucker is still based off Speed

[bold geode]

Oh true it does like
Fake Out still goes over speed tiers while Prankster TW doesn't

Like Fake Out you can't get it off of they Fake you Out first
But TW you're gonna get off with Tornadus

Yeah I can see that

[torn parrot]

you can apply the same logic to tailwind

both players tailwind faster mon goes first

[mighty stump]

Yes, but thats equalising the board state, and you cannot apply that logic in Trick Room as well.

But the difference is Priority is also inherent to the Pokemon that gets access to such things

And does not apply outwith

Youre still also not manipulating speed at all

And the difference is also enablement cause its a board effect, which priority again does not do

[atomic portal]

how does lagging tail fit

doesnt apply outwith - doesnt manipulate speed - its just prio order

if two mons both have lagging tail then regular forms of speed control is still necessary

[mighty stump]

Its an item that affects turn order, but you can still bypass it with Priority

And doesn’t enable your slots

[atomic portal]

would you consider lagging tail a form of speed control than

[mighty stump]

Essentially tricking a Lagging Tail to an opponent is almost like Tailwind/TR in effect upon that specific mon rather than it mimicking the considerations of a Priority move

So not a true form

Not to me

If Lagging Tail is on Kingambit, it doesn’t really change anything

I’m still worried

I’m just saying Priority != Speed Control, it’s a different thing entirely

It just has its tie ins

[grizzled sonnet]

Reading this has been really nice

[atomic portal]

yeah that's fair - i think it just comes down to our definition of what speed control is - a lot of factors affect turn order and differing views on what would and wouldnt consider - i see your point, dont think its wrong but fills a different idea - the literal sense of impacting and manipulating the speed vs just a more broad sense of turn order/prio/speed checking

https://tenor.com/view/theoffice-michael-scott-jim-halpert-gif-27622036

[torn parrot]

i suppose the discussion did give me a different perspective so thanks @mighty stump

[gentle crag]

mayahoppins has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

Cause like if we consider like Quash and stuff

On a Prankster

We can technically consider that Speed Control

e.g. Sableye

or Murkrow

That would fit into what I personally thought for Speed Control

But if we define Speed Control as affecting the overall board state/turn orders, then you can almost say Kingambit has “innate Speed Control” for example

and because its an alteration of turn order

[atomic portal]

yeah i get what you mean -> speed check would be like a better term for it - not really impacting anything just like saying - flutter with booster speed is a form of a speed control

[mighty stump]

I just want to say this has been a refreshing discussion in this channel

[atomic portal]

yeah as cheeky as i was - all respect - also like maya said - a better perspective

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

OMG it's another type of water creature

[rustic mountain]

yep

i wonder how many worry servers there are now

[bold geode]

At least 13
Although I left one cuz like
These two fuckers kept pinging @ everyone
And one threatened to leak everyone's IPs so

[rustic mountain]

wow

im in like 11 or 12 of em i think

do u remember which one that was? idk if im still innit

[bold geode]

Yeah I was fucking around in there myself (cuz somehow I got muted as well but the muted people could still chat in like VC text chats where this was happening)
But as soon as I saw that I said nope fuck this

[rustic mountain]

yea thats sus

[marble coral]

Wtf is a worry server

(I am uneducated)

[rustic mountain]

these emotes are worry emotes ^

theres a lot of different ones and since servers have emote limits theres a lot of em

[mighty stump]

Worry emotes?

Why are they called worry

[grizzled sonnet]

Is trick room and tailwind a good option to have both for speed control when considering these control options, then?

[bold geode]

Idk

I honestly do not know why

[rustic mountain]

yea idk

[dawn crown]

will reg G be a restricted format?

[marble coral]

They looked worried perhaps? They’ve seen things in their lifetime. Unholy unspeakable things.

[mighty stump]

So something hybrid like Tailroom can be hard to find comfort in playing

[rustic mountain]

maybe

[marble coral]

No one knows just guesses until announced

[mighty stump]

Sometime teams tend to opt for one or the other cause it streamlines the flow of the team

[dawn crown]

when will Reg F end

[mighty stump]

Id hazard a guess it will be

April, iirc

[bold geode]

Idk some of them happy

[mighty stump]

2nd of April

[bold geode]

And some of the emotes well they dark

[rustic mountain]

i think its end of april

i think its 4 months right

[bold geode]

Oh Tofu guess what I fought today

Simple Beam Latios and Clear Amulet Quiver Dance Volcarona

[rustic mountain]

maybe the og one?

and then it jus stuck for the rest as a classification

[marble coral]

Is Orlando still reg f or is it reg e

I forget the scheduling

[rustic mountain]

jus check serebii

itll have reg f timeline

and then u can cross check w/ irl tour dates to see where it falls

[rustic mountain]

bruh

[mighty stump]

Simple Beam stuff really taking off huh

[bold geode]

Yeah bro I wasn't even mad at that loss I was like "bro c'mon"

[mighty stump]

Lol

Cant wait to Simple Beam Kommo-O

[rustic mountain]

clear amulet volc is a different kind of mid i didnt know existed

[bold geode]

But
My team be doing good
Although I think I may have figured out a bit of a tough MU
And unfortunately it's Gouging Fire stuff

[grizzled sonnet]

Well I look forward trying things out and seeing what I feel like using

[dawn crown]

Los Angeles is most definitely in Reg G

[rustic mountain]

was this the team u showed me?

[mighty stump]

Gouging Fire stuff loses to hardcore HO

You cannot slowplay that team

and be hard HO i mean like

Nuking things

[bold geode]

Well
A variation maybe
Idk if I showed you the one I got on cart now

[bold geode]

Oh I don't got that as much so

But my play has been better so

[mighty stump]

Or like

You need to be able to strongly punish those mons for setting up

[rustic mountain]

yea idt u were at that phase yet

pog tho

[bold geode]

Also Mika beat my ass 2-0

[mighty stump]

lol

good job Mika

[bold geode]

Lmao

His team rn is pretty good

[mighty stump]

good job @lofty tartan

[bold geode]

Also Tree I didn't show you the recent one

[mighty stump]

I need to figure out a team for my NPAA

[bold geode]

You literally have the one team Tofu LMFAO

[rustic mountain]

me wen reg g is reg a + (all new mons added in home and dlcs but no legends):

[mighty stump]

i have 7

[bold geode]

Show em up with that shit

[marble coral]

Churchaludon team??

[mighty stump]

Maybe

[bold geode]

No Tofu
Y'know which one I'm talking about

[marble coral]

Will you send your 7 for me to get back into the game I have a USPA match this weekend and an MSS on Sunday

[mighty stump]

I have 7 bases*

[bold geode]

I'll show you my team lmao

Can you only pick one for the whole thing or can you switch teams?

[marble coral]

Just like cores unfinished? Building blocks per say

[marble coral]

You can use a different team each week

I used Moltres team for 2 of mine and won both

But I think other people can scout replays so I used tolers Knoxville team for last week and got wrecked lmaooo

[mighty stump]

I might do Gouging Fire stuff

I’m not really scoutable so I’m not worried

I just have to be aware of what I’m releasing on my posts now

Lmaoo

[bold geode]

Releases team for NPAA FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

[bold geode]

Also I'd love to help any way I can. I still quite love Gouging Fire

[mighty stump]

Well if I release a team

I just dont use it

Lol

Or most of the time tbh

Im confident enough

But I wanna make it fun

So

[bold geode]

Lmao
Then again you used blog teams for that one league right

[rustic mountain]

release the post after u win w/ it

[bold geode]

Bro has it thought out

[rustic mountain]

haha

[mighty stump]

Yeah

Basculegion Sableye was based asf

[bold geode]

Lmao
Then you used that 4-0 shit

[mighty stump]

Yeah that shit let me down

[bold geode]

What

[mighty stump]

Magma Storm missed more than statistically possible

[bold geode]

I mean at least it kicked my ass

[mighty stump]

5 in a row

[bold geode]

Yeah but it left me no mercy when I got sniped

[mighty stump]

Lmao

That was funny

[bold geode]

Yeah
That team was fucking tough to get through

I was just like "HELP ME"

[rustic mountain]

me wen running play rough or hydro pump

[strange fjord]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/651859815974436925/1167258852148908153/image0.gif?ex=654d7984&is=653b0484&hm=65bcba4a1e98835d043772c6f1e82f5628ca2bf0e7886d15ee5fb3d28e376192&

Missing only happens when you need to hit.

[crude pollen]

Crits only happen when they didn't matter if it was or not

[lofty crest]

/

.

[mighty stump]

?

[shell sandal]

explain how i was .500 before masterball tier

but the minute i entered masterball im 7-0

[real prairie]

👀

[real prairie]

People in MB tier tend not to use random teams that you can't predict

[lofty tartan]

Oh hey thanks! Sorry I missed this. Was playing Enshrouded.

Was a good set but Gouging Sand is pretty sweet

I may put it up for a rental here or something

Time for some rest though

[mighty stump]

or, anything beneath top 500/1000 masterball is like, tends to be lower quality, and only really is the most difficult when its approaching end of season

and even then is not a guarantee

[real prairie]

oh hey Tofu, Good morning mate 🙂

[lofty tartan]

Sleep isn't happening

[crimson flume]

Guys no pokepaste. Still on my phone as laptop is due to pickup for tomorrow.

Is there a way to polish my team? Planning to build around Torkoal, Crown, and Urshifu.

Team is now

• indeedee-f rocky helmet tera fairy
• incineroar safety goggles tera ghost
• urshifu single strike with focus sash tera fighting (may swap him for surging strikes)
• iron crown with booster energy tera psychic
• torkoal with charcoal tera fire
• flutter mane choice specs with tera grass

Removed chien pao unless I plan to use dnite since solo chien pao is not as recommended due to defense nerf.

Not sure if flutter still belongs in my team.

Friend recommended liligant or h-liligant for after you to speed up torkoal's eruption but she looks niche considering the less than 1% usage on pykalitics...

[lofty tartan]

After playing Crown for a good part of Reg F, I don't like mixing the slow and fast modes.

[crimson flume]

Yeah. That's the challenge. Sometimes crown is a bad matchup. Sometimes torkoal is a bad matchup. Sometimes both are bad matchups.

Maybe I should shift my strat lol.

[lofty tartan]

When Crown is a bad matchup I just would take the things that are good and leave Indeedee/Crown at home - sometimes take Indeedee without Crown

But yeah running both slow and fast modes makes it more challenging to pick or build, I think

[crimson flume]

Team was built in a way considering you only pick 4 out of 6 but yeah. It's kinda obvious for an opponent with taunt that a trick room support will show up.

What I am playing around rn. I also have Raging bolt, but idk if he has a place here. I saw someone use him in a rain team along with milotic with hypnotic (sleep) and a rain setter like pelipper/tornadus.

[crimson flume]

Nice. Won my first game in master rank and got the ribbon lol. Rip my win rate.

Everyone in master is so strong omg.

This is nothing like poke ball tier.

[molten oasis]

Me too bro

Sleep is for the weak (I work in 10 hours)

[crimson flume]

I dropped torkoal after you said this.

Since Crown gave me more wins.

Torkoal is great. But good luck if you're playing against rain teams... i hate rain teams and kingambit lol.

[upbeat quail]

What are some good teammates for an assault vest Kingambit?

[mighty stump]

Gouging Fire

Luka's team, essentially.

[crimson flume]

Managed to win with an indeedee - torkoal lead
farigiraf - tornadus back.

Damage was nerfed from tornadus using rain. Farigiraf managed to pick up after indeedee fainted.

Played for the master ribbon lmao, so I used mons I don't usually play with / don't play that often.

[real prairie]

is there any room for a dragon cheer boosted Kingra or is it too power crept?

[mighty stump]

Define any room.

If you wanna run sommething for fun, do so

Just be realistic with it

[upbeat quail]

Weezing-Galar (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 180 HP / 252 SpA / 76 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Heat Wave
• Sludge Bomb
• Thunderbolt

[mighty stump]

Nope, not a good set

[real prairie]

choice specs weezing, now thats a new one lol

[upbeat quail]

It’s definitely not a good set

But a fun one to be sure

[mighty stump]

I kinda like my fun to be useable

[real prairie]

is this based on people seeing weezing and assuming neutra gas?

[mighty stump]

People worry about avoiding weaknesses too much when there are so many strong neutrals

[upbeat quail]

It’s a joke set. I just like my regular weezing build more.

[real prairie]

steel type levitate > Electric type levitate for that reason, if im not mistaken

[mighty stump]

Electric Levitate just means 0 weaknesses overall

[crimson flume]

Reminds me of eelektross.

Interesting it isn't meta in comp.

[upbeat quail]

Eelektross has a great movepool too

[real prairie]

but less resistances

so depends what you value more

[upbeat quail]

The only thing that’s lacking is the speed on eelektross

Also, In my experience weezing is more bulky than people expect. The only things that I’m not comfortable soaking with it is any psychic type or a landorus

[real prairie]

Eelktross is one of those that might have some fun with Stellar tera

[autumn vault]

true

when i used a 0 defense investment weezing it took 63 damage from surging strikes

and it had 180+ hp

[autumn vault]

also eelektross is shit sadly

my favourite eel

[chrome knot]

bc i can beat it to death with neutral attacks

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 604: Eelektross

Type

Electric

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/115/80/105/80/50

Total

515

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[autumn vault]

a downgraded version of incin's bulk

[chrome knot]

no elektross is not an incin downgrade😭

[autumn vault]

i said the bulk only

in reg B i messed around with it in tr

sadly hands just did it better

[chrome knot]

no shit

[autumn vault]

i love my electric eel

[crimson flume]

Okay... so learned something new the hard way.

Tornadus is a good partner for flutter

I got bodied by an opponent playing it.

Used the same strat and bodied my next opponent

[tough idol]

Torn is a good partner for anything that benefits from TW

[crimson flume]

Im hard stuck Rank 24K.

Cant wait to get my laptop. Im a wreck in team building.

[tough idol]

I got to 15k, then played at 3am before work, tanked it down to 22k

[crimson flume]

Its so hard to use showdown on phone.

[crimson flume]

Thats possible?

[tough idol]

On cart

[crimson flume]

And I was feeling stupid lately...

Rank 24,000 .. im like.. this is the bottom

[tough idol]

Shouldn't play before work is what I've learnt

Long gone are the days I was at rank 381 I think it was

[crimson flume]

So yeah this is what I am playing around...

Any ideas for a solid team?

[tough idol]

Very similar to mine

[crimson flume]

I am out of brain juice.

I always have to change teams.

And it feels like an rng of matchups.

[crimson flume]

Thats your team? Nice.

Wait. Landorus? Nani?

Dont tell me I have to get another mon from PLA.

[autumn vault]

i am 11K

[crimson flume]

Wait wait wait ok question

When do you avoid using crown?

I know urshifu and incin is one.

Kingambit is another.

[tough idol]

Upto now I haven't avoided Crown

[crimson flume]

Huh? How do you play against dark types..

[tough idol]

My tera ground tera blast erases Gambit and Incin

[crimson flume]

Tera ground....

Never heard of that strat before...

Sounds.. like Im taking a trip to medali to get some tera changing dishes.

[tough idol]

Water is the more popular tera

As you resist WaterFu

And Waterpon, but your still weak to Horn Leech

[crimson flume]

I used tera psychic because thats what everyone does. But I like that you used terastallization to counter type disadvantages to your own advantage.

Instead of going gung ho tera psychic expanding force + win.

[tough idol]

Tera Psychic wouldn't benefit my moveset, Tera Blast Psychic = expanding force but single target, waste of a move for me

[chrome knot]

but now ur weak to both and cannot reliably kill both

[crimson flume]

Wait. Is there a reason why you use flame instead of wellspring? Wolfe used flame in his charlotte championship team too and it has something to do with supporting farigiraf.

[chrome knot]

also

[tough idol]

That's why I have 2 Follow Me on the team

[chrome knot]

you can so just waterpon & add something mean in that last slot

so if you have follow me use waterpon and find better ursh

[crimson flume]

Also what is Landorus' job there...

[chrome knot]

waterpon soaks up a weakness for free

[crimson flume]

I bought PLA but didnt start yet.

[solid frigate]

mortal Support

[crimson flume]

Mortal support?

[tough idol]

Hmm wonder if I can get away with Waterpon and add Gouging

[crimson flume]

Also flame pon > entei?

I wonder why flame vs wellspring...

Ironically I found more wins with flame vs wellspring, even if wellspring is used more.

[solid frigate]

the reason i think its just More Offensive as General

[tough idol]

With rain up, Sandsear Bleakwind combo does a lot of dmg, Poison gives me a shot at pesky grass types combod with Bleakwind. It's also free life orb boost with the ability

[crimson flume]

Nice. Hope you can share a rental code for this. I'd love to pilot it.

[tough idol]

I'll get it when I'm home, I angled the camera wrong for the pic lol, cut the code off

[crimson flume]

Looks like a team I'd love to use since I use crown, torn, urshifu, and dee regularly. Its just ogerpon I need to learn how to maximize... and landorus looks pretty great too.

[tough idol]

@lofty tartan built the team 💪

[chrome knot]

gouging adds no value

[crimson flume]

I tried so many rental teams ...

[chrome knot]

you have 4 special attackers lmao

[crimson flume]

For some reason I am really bad at piloting.

So I tried building my own...

Trying to find out which mons match my playstyle and which don't haha.

[tough idol]

The original team had Chi Yu over Hearth with 5 Special, what's your point?

[solid frigate]

Usually i just use the Rental teams as Reference and Modify the team,because i am also bad at Piloting-

[chrome knot]

im saying gouging fire would not be good

[solid frigate]

so Having your own Unique Team that knows your Tactics inside the Team is beneficial

[chrome knot]

yes

[solid frigate]

another option is to make your own,granted is harder to build your own team,but you at least have equal knowledge on what you are doing

[mighty stump]

Being aware about any team is important, really. It's a mixture of comfort and executability

You need to be realistic about your own piloting as well

[solid frigate]

exactly

and adapt on the Set and The Battle to maximize the Teams Overall Potential

[tough idol]

Didn't mean to sound off then btw lol 😆

[real prairie]

one of my biggest weaknesses is not switching out early enough after stat drops

[autumn vault]

i was just going to make a rental team post but i forgot to modify my ogerpon's evs

[tough idol]

I do this a lot lmao 🤣

Sometimes it pays off as ppl assume they're forcing a switch, most times it does not

[solid frigate]

you need to know and understand how to adapt through it,switching safely is an Issue to be consider

which granted,not alll switch ins are safe

but at least protecting core sweepers or Core Supporters

[real prairie]

ill be snarl'd 3 times and just ignore it and wonder why im not getting KOs 🤦‍♂️

[solid frigate]

Check the Info lol

[autumn vault]

one of my biggest weaknesses is ground types

[solid frigate]

do you have any coverage on them?

[autumn vault]

i swear every team i make there is atleast 2 ground weaknesses

[crimson flume]

Guilty of this.

[solid frigate]

it happens all the time.

[real prairie]

oh this can be on Showdown where it literally tells me in big red text by stat multiplier and ill still make a move without thinking about it

[autumn vault]

of course, there is always a ground counter

[solid frigate]

its gonna be fine

[crimson flume]

I normally dont switch out unless my lead mons faint... i know it is a bad habit.

[solid frigate]

you can check the Info in SV about stat drops-

Showdown idk what-

[tough idol]

I still sometimes try to use Priority moves when I've set the damn Psychic Terrain

[real prairie]

i need to spend a week playing with a rotation team in singles just to get me used to switching out lol

[solid frigate]

everyone makes mistake,even i literally used a Normal Move on a Ghost Type

[real prairie]

i was doing this loads with fake out in my own terrain 🤦‍♂️

[autumn vault]

probably habit from spamming hyper voice/Blood Moon on BM ursaluna

[solid frigate]

funny thing is,I don't use Ursaluna

[crimson flume]

Dont get me started on using priority moves with armor tail and psychic terrain...

[autumn vault]

now i don't understand how you did that

[solid frigate]

Maybe Primarina but Liquid voices

[tough idol]

I did the Aqua Jet into Terrain at a Regional lmao 🤣 granted I was 9 hours in and at 3-5 at the time

[crimson flume]

Ive done that a lot lol