competitive_discussion

[timber falcon]

Did I actually do that? 💀

Omg I did

Lmao it’s supposed to be defence

[brazen bough]

ice spinner if you dont have rilla if you have rilla then icicle crash is the best option

[timber falcon]

The thing is I don’t really play both at the same time so I’m not that worried about it. My main leads are urshi and torn. Chien and flutter are more of back up mons

[mighty stump]

I run Ice Spinner and Rilla anyways

Simply cause the terrain clear is fine by me

Improves Psyspam + when you U-Turn out you removing terrain means you get a full 5 turns later down the line

[brazen bough]

thats fair but i prefer having the healing from gt

[hot orbit]

https://pokepast.es/cf5df1a2fd7b8edd

Any tweaks i can make here?
Usual start is sylvie/amongus

Indeedee i added just for when i see a slower team to delete trickroom, but feel like its dead slot

Hisuian arcanine almost always 3rd slotted when i see good phys attackers

Also indeedee does help against the double fakeout lead

[mighty stump]

From the investments, the team overall just looks like it has really poor offensive pressure

Sylveon is also wasting EVs

Sleep Talk and Hyper Beam?

[hot orbit]

Hmmm usually i just hyper voice lol

Sleep talk came in clutch against other amongus

In showdown sylv usually two taps other mons

I insta terra

To fairy

[gentle delta]

Sleep Talk is supposed to be run with a 3 move set of only Hyper Voice, Tera Blast and Sleep Talk. Hyper Beam and Protect ruin sleep talks use

You do Sleep Talk + Specs so that you lock into only using Hyper Voice or Tera Blast. Pixilate makes it so Tera Blast is always stab whether you tera or not.

And you dont run Fairy tera sylveon its a waste

[hot orbit]

Ooh so ive been gambling all this time

Thanks ill make the adjustments

I still want protect cause it helps me set up

Its not a bad thing to protect while asleep anyways if by chance

Ill give her more spA

[mighty stump]

It just sounds like going halfway of both sets rather than being efficient in one.

What are you "setting up"

[hot orbit]

Idk. I wanted some feedback and hard critic im still on the learning curve. I dont mine losing some 50/50 sleep talk. Its just there when needed

I changed hyper beam for terra blast and made terra fire

[mighty stump]

Do you have any particular matchups you've been struggling with?

What was the idea behind the team

[hot orbit]

My settup is. Slap sylveon unga boonga damage while among us annoys opponents

[mighty stump]

..Right

[hot orbit]

Had a hard matchup against a metagross, still won but he tapped my sylveon like it was a feather

What mon would you change for any situation where my sylveon gets hard countered? If you would i

[mighty stump]

• The team seems like it can just transition into a standard balance setup rather than shoehorning mons to deal with things.
• If Indeedee feels like a dead slot, remove it. This opens up H-Arcanine to be replaced with Incineroar being a far better option if you're trying to actually deal with things since this H-Arc is built like a support.
• If opposing Amoonguss seems annoying, my recommendation is just to run Safety Goggles on Raging Bolt.
• Alternatively, just run Farigiraf so you don't have to deal with not being able to click certain moves like Sucker/Thunderclap/E-Speed because of Psychic Terrain.

and also probably slotting Psychic over Dazzling on Indeedee since you have Fairy coverage.

[hot orbit]

Thanks ! Ill follow all your advise

[mighty stump]

And Sylveon is wasting EVs, you have to invest in an odd number of stats.

88 Def is the same as 84

[hot orbit]

[mighty stump]

Do you know what the spreads do?

[hot orbit]

It gives stats

[mighty stump]

No, as in what thresholds they're trying to meet

What KOs are you taking/avoiding or what speed tiers are you trying to achieve

[hot orbit]

I was on 86 speed cause before indeedee i had prankster tailwind so sylveon could achieve 170 speed under it

[mighty stump]

What were you trying to outspeed with 170

[hot orbit]

No pokemon in general. Just the 160 speed monster

I still have many to learn. I feel bad talking about spreads

[mighty stump]

I recommend just visiting VGCguide.com to learn more about making your own EV spreads. Theres also nothing wrong with standard 252/252/4.

They also have a teambuilding section there which would be useful to skim through

[hot orbit]

Thanks i will

[gentle crag]

https://www.vgcguide.com/eving-1-how-to-make-simple-ev-spreads
https://www.vgcguide.com/eving-2-the-next-step-why-woul-you-want-a-more-complex-ev-spread
https://www.vgcguide.com/eving-3

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[safe hound]

Good pokemon for singles? Idk how the singles meta is for playing the actual game rather than smogon tiers

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 815: Cinderace

Type

Fire

Abilities

Blaze, Libero (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/116/75/65/75/119

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Pokémon No. 908: Meowscarada

Types

Grass/Dark

Abilities

Overgrow, Protean (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

76/110/70/81/70/123

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[fallen garden]

Battle Stadium singles or 6v6

[pseudo zinc]

Anyone want to battle, bb prologue rules

[pale burrow]

Hello. I haven't played a pokemone game since yellow and I've recently completed the base game of scarlet.

I'm wanting to start pvping but I'm finding it over whelming. Is there a good start guide someone can introduce me to? Tried to do some youtubing and googling but nothing really sets me off in steps or whatever. I want to battle with pokemon in single battle if that helps

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

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[mighty stump]

The fundamentals all work the same

[pale burrow]

So by rental codes, I don't even need to catch and grind for the team?

Also thank you for that info btw

[mighty stump]

Yeah but these resources are all more for doubles

It's difficult to find Singles oriented rentals.

[pale burrow]

Is singles more casual?

Tbh it started to hurt my head just thinking of the time I would have to put into grinding for the right pokemon. I work alot ya see

[mighty stump]

VGC or Doubles just happens to be the official esports format

Hence it has a greater focus

[pale burrow]

That makes alot of sense

[mighty stump]

Showdown specifically allows you to make use of it as a simulator to build and decide on teams and play them out in matches

So you can be quite specific with your resources

Or, as aforementioned, rentals

[pale burrow]

I looked into showdown but it's easier to have my switch when it's quiet at work then it is my laptop

Ok, so I'll have a look into some single teams and then I guess I'll either try to find some traders or go an grind them out if I can't find rental singles.

I appreciate your help

[onyx crown]

Are we allowed to speak of the runt yet?

[mighty stump]

Its a mythical, so I wouldn't expect to see any use out of it

[pale burrow]

Would you happen to know of a good singles new player friendly team? 🤔 sorry to bother you

[mighty stump]

Not a bother, but unfortunately, no

[pale burrow]

I wana pick something up and start learning with it

Ah OK friend no problem

I'm getting lost in the sauce of searches. And I've got to the point of going in circles. Hence googling this discord haha

I figure if I can find a recent singles team with any kind of break down , that isn't too hard to obtain, then I can start learning

Anyone else that can help please feel free 😆

[mighty stump]

You'd honestly find that only for doubles

Singles in game is kind of coinflippy anyways

[pale burrow]

Ye seems super complicated for what I wana get out of battling tho

[fallen garden]

Are you trying to play the in-game singles ladder? I think Pokemon Showdown has a community for that

[smoky hawk]

Crazy. Just lost a game because I missed heat wave twice at the end. I just needed 1 to hit

[timber falcon]

why is it im bad at using good pokemon

[smoky hawk]

In other words, I had a 99% chance to win. 90acc and it missed twice

[timber falcon]

ive tried so many leads, paonite , tornadus and urshi, yet the one that works the best for me is gholdengo and smeargle

quick show of what i want this team to do, added entei , urshi , torn and raoring because obviously some leads arent the best for this team

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2032824201

[mighty stump]

If you want follow me imprison and TR

Indeedee is literally right there

[timber falcon]

spore is one of the main components

[mighty stump]

Smeargle, the ultimate CTS mon

[timber falcon]

and moody suprisingly lets me tank a few hits when follow me under the right circumstances

[mighty stump]

The one downside on this one means you cant stop FO TR leads unlike Indeedee

[mighty stump]

I personally dislike gambling

[timber falcon]

gambling is my entire lead lol

as long as i can read my opponent i can win

[mighty stump]

You mean catch them off guard since no one really expects an Imprison TR Smeargle

[timber falcon]

exactly, and imprison stops ALL of them, no spore amoongus and follow me indeedee

its funny watching them invest all their power into killing smeargle

[mighty stump]

Suit yourself

Lol

[timber falcon]

but most importantly im a huge fan of both these mons

[mighty stump]

It’s your game after all

[timber falcon]

im hoping as long as i get used to this team, it can actually end upp pretty good

[mighty stump]

Well objectively you’d aim for probably 1550s+ now with 65-70% GXE which is a pretty good benchmark

If you need a goal

[timber falcon]

ill try and get there, in smeargle i trust 🙏

but i also dont wanna miss out on reg f so ima build the team in game

[pale burrow]

Yeah thats what I'm wanting to do

[near crag]

does skill swap hit through protect?

[next stump]

please be a snow day tomorrow

[nocturne holly]

no

I have good day tmr
W classes

[pseudo zinc]

What is the move that lets a mon use the same move twice in 1 turn

[karmic temple]

Instruct

Oranguru sig move

[pseudo zinc]

Damn I thought more mons got

It

[smoky hawk]

My new dondozo team:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2032898109

[hard flare]

Recently finished my home journey and got pokeball magerna any advice on how to build it for a vgc setting (I know it's not allowed in reg F)

[smoky hawk]

It's a chesto rest dozo. It's very satisfying to heal back to full

[gentle delta]

Its not allowed ever lol

Mythicals have never been vgc legal. They were made legal for in game ranked battles only once briefly in swsh but ill eat my hat if mythicals are ever allowed at regionals

Magearna would be the most busted thing

[onyx crown]

Alright, should I set the Runt up with Sp Atk and Sp Def, Sp Atk and HP, or Sp Def and HP.

[hard flare]

That's funny I never really played vgc only singles showdowns back in gen 6 but I'm surprised people wouldn't like mythicals being in vgc but every other team having landorus, urshifu, etc isn't a problem

[onyx crown]

At least someone here knows how busted Magearna is

[hard flare]

Never used it just wanted to see my pokeball magerna in battle didn't even play its generation

Cool dodonzo team btw

[bold geode]

The God of funny dimensions
He arriveth

[onyx crown]

The thing with Landorus and Urshifu is that they can pretty easily be circumvented when you're prepared for them.
I'd like to see someone take down an utter tank with the best typing in the game that also happens to have a good Special Attack and it's Special Attack raises substantially whenever anyone on the field faints, regardless of if it was from a direct attack from Magearna or if they took recoil damage.

Soul Heart is pretty busted

[gentle delta]

Illegal in vgc so who cares lol

[hard flare]

Their easily circumvented but still see extremely high usage I find the use of legendaries or mythicals in pvp battle ridiculous but didn't know magerna was such a threat just wanted to see my hard work flex in some battles

[onyx crown]

Who said I needed it for vgc

You guys are supposed to be the pros

[bold geode]

This is the competitive chat lol

You'll never guess what we do here

[gentle delta]

Anything not vgc is by definition not competitive.

Smogon is for fun at most

[onyx crown]

Yea, so you guys can make it competitively viable even if it isn't allowed, right?

[bold geode]

No

[gentle delta]

That’s literally not what this chat os for and youren not allowed to ask for that here

[bold geode]

Why put in the effort to make something competitively viable if it'll never show in the competitive scene

Like you're asking me to give birth RN but I'm a dude

[onyx crown]

Wasnt there a thing for the end of the season or whatever where mythicals were allowed?

[gentle delta]

Not in vgc only ranked ladder

Which while most people think its the same, its not

[onyx crown]

There's a difference?

[gentle delta]

Vgc technically only means irl tournaments + global challenges

Ranked ladder is just ranked ladder

And USUALLY is the same format as vgc but not always

Anyway im out tag me if im needed for tr stuff

[bold geode]

Actually question for you: thoughts on Crown

[onyx crown]

Well, still. I'll ask this way so you guys don't "break any rules".
Take a pokemon. Pokemon has high Defense stat, and it's a special attacker. Should I increase it's special attack and special defense so it's more tanky and hits harder, should I raise it's HP and special defense so it's hella tanky, or should I raise HP and Special Attack so it's tanky against physical threats but not special ones

Or should I bolster it's already good physical defense

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[onyx crown]

I thought you guys knew what you were doing

[next stump]

god damn Charlotte is going to have 15 rounds of swiss instead of 14 because it reached 800 players

[bold geode]

Plz tell me that's not all day 1

[next stump]

day 1 + 2

[bold geode]

Ok I was worried for a sec lmao
Like 15 when was it 14

Like day 1 has 9 wtf did I miss

[oblique sigil]

Noobie here. Thoughts? Can I improve anything?

[near crag]

for mystic water shifu, detect is better than uturn, imo, but it's viable

[charred saddle]

i mean if its surging aqua uturn CC its scarf set no?

[bold geode]

1. A Pokepaste would be lovely
2. Is that a crochet Incineroar

[charred saddle]

no protect or detect is quite a pain to play especially when theres other mon that can outspeed you without speed control

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 892: Urshifu

Types

Fighting/Dark

Abilities

Unseen Fist

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/130/100/63/60/97

Total

550

Other Formes

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[charred saddle]

by default, stuffs like ogerpons, then you cant protect on a glide rilla

i mean rest looked fine

[bold geode]

I mean looking at it, it's not too horrible right
I'd just want some speed control, maybe Icy Wind Flutter, and Detect on Shifu

[charred saddle]

just like standard stuff id say

[bold geode]

But a Pokepaste for EV spreads would help even more so we can see what spreads you're running

[charred saddle]

i mean which booster is that mane too

[near crag]

what is a good tera type for clodsire?

[bold geode]

Not running it

[charred saddle]

btw monke, if its booster, usually u dont run icy wind no? unless youre like sashed and max speed

[near crag]

It's worth it, trust me

[charred saddle]

i think for the shifu team, id drop like waterpon for torn (?) helps to balance out the team

got the speed control, can play with urshifu too

[bold geode]

Booster speed runs it for speed control if you don't have TW for example
It doesn't have to, but booster speed off of BE usually run it
If it's boosting spatk, then you don't see it there

[charred saddle]

hmm

[bold geode]

I ran it Toilet man don't judge me

Combination of that with Chi Yu is also nice cuz you can help Chi Yu outspeed shit

[charred saddle]

nono i dont judge you haha

its more of a ok hmm thing haha

[near crag]

does brute bonnet like a defensive or a offensive spread better?

[bold geode]

Depends on how you run it

Or wanna run it

[charred saddle]

if theres JaySP id call him and his coach hahah

[near crag]

It's sun tr

[bold geode]

[charred saddle]

is he gone btw? never saw him agian

[bold geode]

I have no idea

[charred saddle]

i remember him talking like offensive bonnet?

[bold geode]

And tbh

I really don't care

GOOD
BYE

Emphasis on good

Can't ping him apparently so I guess he did go

[charred saddle]

ye he’s gone, and he never sent his bonnet spread even once

[bold geode]

I didn't want it

[charred saddle]

i honestly was quite interested in it

[bold geode]

I didn't want any of his spreads
Or his knowledge

[charred saddle]

i think bonnet gets like sucker no

[bold geode]

It does

[charred saddle]

haha

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 986: Brute Bonnet

Types

Grass/Dark

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

111/127/99/79/99/55

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Brute Bonnet's moveset:

Physical Moves

Astonish, Body Press, Body Slam, Bullet Seed, Close Combat, Crunch, Double-Edge, Facade, Giga Impact, Lash Out, Outrage, Payback, Seed Bomb, Stomping Tantrum, Sucker Punch, Thief, Thrash, Trailblaze, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Absorb, Clear Smog, Dark Pulse, Earth Power, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hex, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Pollen Puff, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Venoshock

Status Moves

Confuse Ray, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Ingrain, Protect, Rage Powder, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spore, Stun Spore, Substitute, Sunny Day, Synthesis, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Brute Bonnet.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[bold geode]

I told you it does bro

[charred saddle]

iirc he said he did seed bomb, sucker punch rage powder

nono i was just checking the other moves

i dont remember the last, could be protect but idk

quite tanky tho, 111 hp, 99 on both def

[bold geode]

If it wasn't Spore, he's even dumber

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 591: Amoonguss

Types

Grass/Poison

Abilities

Effect Spore, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

114/85/70/85/80/30

Total

464

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Pokémon No. 341: Corphish

Type

Water

Abilities

Hyper Cutter, Shell Armor, Adaptability (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

43/80/65/50/35/35

Total

308

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[oblique sigil]

Sorry it took awhile

And yes it's crochet incin

[charred saddle]

oh speed booster mane

[bold geode]

So that Flutter would like some bulk
The rest honestly doesn't look bad, I'd just try to give Urshifu some bulk and make it Adamant

[charred saddle]

i just remember that flutter can get like 187 special, 188 speed

whats a crochet incin? spread made by crochet?

[bold geode]

Yes technically to boost you only need 1 point above lol

[bold geode]

No look at pfp

[charred saddle]

oh.

[near crag]

Check this out: https://pokepast.es/e8b14a8b9f423a63 priority eruption

[charred saddle]

prio eruption? huh

[bold geode]

Cough cough
Lilligant better for that
Cough cough

[charred saddle]

oh after you clod?

didnt after you follows speed?

clod is slow

[dapper crag]

Move: After You

The target makes its move immediately after the user this turn, no matter the priority of its selected move. Fails if the target would have moved next anyway, or if the target already moved this turn.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[charred saddle]

not a prio

[bold geode]

Wait
You thought After You was prio huh

[near crag]

skill swap sableye

[bold geode]

Ok you lost me

[charred saddle]

ohh

i mean….

[near crag]

doesn't it work?

[charred saddle]

i would shit my pants the moment i saw skill swap to clod tho

i mean it will work i think?

[bold geode]

I'd shit your pants

[charred saddle]

just that it means that you would need 3 mon

to bring, like everytime

and then you would need 3 turns to setup

[bold geode]

I'd put your pants on
And I'd shit them

[charred saddle]

skill swap to clod, then switch in torkoal

thats 3 turns of passive

[near crag]

If I don't want to run it, I just do a regular tr strat

[bold geode]

And then feed the shit to the user of Prankster Clodsire

[charred saddle]

and ieven if u try to hit, clod doesnt do much

[oblique sigil]

Okay ty! I'll try it out later

[gentle crag]

mightiezz has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[bold geode]

👌

[forest arrow]

Probably wanna give Ursh Protect over uturn if you aren’t gonna scarf it

[bold geode]

Hey babe

[forest arrow]

Hey babe how you doing

[bold geode]

I farted

[forest arrow]

Lmao

I think imma hop on the Gouging Fire Train

[bold geode]

Damn it smells

[forest arrow]

I just love PaoTei

[bold geode]

No stay with PaoTei
Give me wins

[oblique sigil]

Oh damn yea I'll do that too because I rarely use my uturn

[forest arrow]

lmao I’ll just outplay you babe 😉

[oblique sigil]

Also is ditect and protect work the same

[bold geode]

NUH UH

[forest arrow]

Yeah there the same, if you worry about imprison Detect is more optimal iirc

[charred saddle]

cough cough https://pokepast.es/1ba6d514faf3a817 (support gouging)

https://pokepast.es/13440d7297c003d5 (dragon dance set)

what do you think about this

dont see the 2nd team tho, its quite shitty

will make a new team around DD set

its booster speed, hits 208

[forest arrow]

They both look good tbh. I like the support gouging one

[charred saddle]

yeah that feels more balanced and felt nice

[bold geode]

I love support set better myself

[forest arrow]

That Bolt is BULKY AF lmao

[near crag]

how do you suggest to make this work? prankster after you seems good. It's one turn set up to priority eruption, it's bulky, and also it's slow, so it could go good on tr. I know it's bad, but what are the flaws?

[bold geode]

Don't use it

[charred saddle]

oh yes baby

have u seen the waterpon? no atk investment to outspeed max speed tei

[bold geode]

HEY
He's mine

[charred saddle]

HAHAHAH SRY MONKE

[forest arrow]

I agree with monk here, skill swap is gimmicky

[charred saddle]

i mean, you do need to set 3 turns to setup the after you prankster

[bold geode]

Yeah

[charred saddle]

clod sable skill swap and something
swap in / die + clod
after you eruption

[near crag]

the third turn is already after you prankster

[charred saddle]

thats 3 turn

ye, i mean like its 3rd turn mb

[bold geode]

But that's at least 2 passive AF turns
1 to skill swap
2nd to get Torkoal in

[charred saddle]

and those 2 free turns can mean that u let them setup

or do something else

even if clod tries to hit those 2 turns

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 980: Clodsire

Types

Poison/Ground

Abilities

Poison Point, Water Absorb, Unaware (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

130/75/60/45/100/20

Total

430

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[random summit]

Do you guys think ||pecharunt|| is worth reseting for 0atk?

[near crag]

a slightly more offensive spread could help with it

[charred saddle]

75 atk doesnt really do much ig

then if u do more offensive, itll take too much damage in those 2 turns

[bold geode]

Don't know
It won't be useable in competitive

[random summit]

Ik but like in general

Cause i got a 6atk one but idk

[bold geode]

Um I'd just take that tbh

[charred saddle]

i wont say that the idea is bad, i really like the idea

but the amount of setups and turn the enemies not do anything else and just sit is very low

and so its gimmicky, EVEN more when its OTS bo3

[bold geode]

Tbh if I was against that team
Set up once, sweep your ass

[charred saddle]

i mean i wouldny notice, but then game 2 and 3 ill just play around it

and be prepared

and even then prio eruption doesnt mean u win directly so….

E speed is still faster

glide is still faster

then like if its rain team, they can just weather war to reduce eruption damage

so its like you prepared 2 turns for not a sure win

[near crag]

If I switch clodsire for clefable, It would reduce the set up on one turn

one turn set up, and second turn eruption

[near crag]

that's when tr comes

[bold geode]

@forest arrow the fart lingered for 12 minutes wtf

[charred saddle]

yeah, and most teams would have TR counters

[bold geode]

Anyways do I test more hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[near crag]

tr isn't good anymore?

[charred saddle]

everytime im making a balanced team

the main idea is to be prepared for basically most archetypes, how do i play around paotei
how to play around TR and so on

i didnt say its not good, but ur setup with TR is quite easy to uhh break

i mean u can ig like dark tera TR to avoid SE dark moves

but then u waste a tera

and still, weather war exist

ur TR sweeper is only torkoal, once its out its quite hard for you to play in TR

[near crag]

yea, it's true

gimme a sec

[charred saddle]

wouldnt have thought of after you prankster tho haha

[forest arrow]

Lmao

[near crag]

here, it's a bit better now: https://pokepast.es/a9f4274b14d44002

made a mistake

another sec

[charred saddle]

i mean… i wouldnt say anything more past this

i dont feel im qualified to help teambuilding, im mostly saying based on what i normally see and why its commonly used

point is, after you prankster is okayish

just that, its hard to setup

and like under TR no one outspeeds tork anyway, its better to play around that more. like how to setup TR more, how to use it better

hilligant after you is generally used just because its so fucking speedy, + you dont need any setups.

you can get go at t1

• sleep powder pressure

if you feel like they will do weather war or something, like switch in pelipper or rain dance

i can do something like protect torkoal, then sleep pwder the other slot

75% to basically get rid of that slot till next turn

[gentle delta]

see thumbnail of my video lol

[gentle delta]

Jaysp has never said anything of value ever

[charred saddle]

i only remembered him saying he hit quite high in elo and cart

never gave out anything haha

[gentle delta]

Cart elo is meaningless

Could hit top 10 in a day with a random end game NPCs team with zero alterations if you’re a good player

Cart rewards guessing games and gotcha shenanigans more than it rewards skill

[charred saddle]

its CTS stuff ig haha

[bold geode]

I see it there
But the light not shining lol

[gentle delta]

I dont like crown

[unkempt flax]

Good dragonite spread

Anyone got one. Banded dragonite

[gentle delta]

But tbh im probably not gonna rehash points that are in whatever my newest video at the time when asked because thats the point of making the vids lol

[next stump]

mine is 132/252/4/0/4/116

gives you enough SPE to outspeed most rillas and enough bulk to live a decent amount of hits

[near crag]

is revival blessing viable to build around?

[gentle delta]

Would be if it was sketchable maybe. Or if Comfey learned it

Its affected by Triage but no good way to make use of that atm

[near crag]

isn't it sketchable?

[gentle delta]

It is not

I wouldn’t have said that if it was

[near crag]

why so?

[gentle delta]

Do I look like game freak?

Theres no explanation given it just literally isnt

[near crag]

alright, thanks

[bold geode]

Actually I had another question
Idk if it was in the vid yet but what all new things can be used against Psyspam or is scary for Psyspam (I thought Gouging would work if it wasn't for it's horrid Spdef stat)

[gentle delta]

There hasn’t been a single team or mon in this format that my team genuinely struggles with yet

Every single loss I’ve had with the team was something I can blame on Bo1/CTS, or just getting outplayed

[bold geode]

I've been doing BO1s lately and although I've fought some shitty stuff, usually it's just like
Me being dumb as fuck

And playing dumb

Legit fought a Prankster CM Stored Power Klefki
And somehow lost due to inactivity, even though I was active

Pissed me off so much I legit tried to message them after the match like "nah run it back"

[molten oasis]

You’re back I see

[scenic surge]

What do y’all recommend for a ghost mono team?

[scenic surge]

Probably mimikyu, and I’d like either palosand or golurk

[gentle delta]

For what purpose

[scenic surge]

Doubles

[ionic shell]

dang someone finessed me

im not running choice spec flutter anymore

[molten oasis]

tf is this

[bold geode]

It's Pickle Me Elmo bro wym

[queen hull]

So what are the thoughts on the new Mythical?

[bold geode]

Not useable

[gentle delta]

It is not legal in competition so its not worth discussing here

[gentle delta]

That does not answer the question

[gentle delta]

Okay but in all honesty why is that your response to Drago taking note of my presence

[bold geode]

Cuz

[gentle delta]

Like smh that’s the kinda shit that made me leave

[bold geode]

Sigh

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[molten oasis]

Lol Prog leaves again after monke shenanigans

[winged marten]

Quick question, I went through all this effort to transfer up an arcanine with teleport from the pokemon red virtual console, and after transferring it to pokemon scarlet, I realized it wont let it keep teleport... Pokemon sword lets it keep it tho, so did they just remove it from its potential moves in scarlet?

[bold geode]

Why do you need teleport?

I mean

[winged marten]

i just wanted to experiment with it

[dapper crag]

Arcanine's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Bide, Bite, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Close Combat, Covet, Crunch, Dig, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Extreme Speed, Facade, Fire Fang, Flame Charge, Flame Wheel, Flare Blitz, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Heat Crash, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Natural Gift, Outrage, Play Rough, Psychic Fangs, Rage, Raging Fury, Retaliate, Return, Reversal, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Skull Bash, Strength, Superpower, Take Down, Temper Flare, Thief, Thrash, Thunder Fang, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Burn Up, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Dragon Rage, Ember, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flame Burst, Flamethrower, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Incinerate, Mud-Slap, Overheat, Round, Scorching Sands, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Curse, Double Team, Endure, Helping Hand, Howl, Laser Focus, Leer, Mimic, Morning Sun, Odor Sleuth, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Teleport, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Arcanine.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[bold geode]

Huh

Wtf would teleport even do in comp

[winged marten]

idk switch in easier? I only do casual anyway

[molten oasis]

You can prob re-teach it teleport

Oh wait it lost it in the movepool

No it didn’t im dumb

Yea just teach it to it again

[winged marten]

in home or in scarlet?

[summer shore]

Slow pivot

[bold geode]

@summer shore

[summer shore]

@bold geode

[bold geode]

@summer shore

[muted atlas]

Anyone got a scale shot tm?

[covert sandal]

you can buy it from the school store at blueberry acadamy for 50 bp

[muted atlas]

Thx

[covert sandal]

yeah nw

[smoky hawk]

Blueberry prologue will just be terapogos spam right?

No one will tera anything else. Probably won't bother

[bold geode]

Yeah
I'm not even gonna participate

Anyways goodnight

[gentle delta]

as of BDSP, transfers moves no longer exist

mons are locked to the moves they learned in those games specifically

home saves the learned moves when you swap it between games

[dull ibex]

hey chat

what are we cooking

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2033119181

against paoteinite

[charred saddle]

for now gouging fire, want to at least make 1 team for each paradox in a balanced team

[rich nymph]

I think I just ran into the most brain-dead player...

Started off with a full starter team... Immediately went Fire Tera Serperior (bruh) while my walking wake is active, then tried to use water pledge on walking wake

and I feel like the abilities weren't HA either... Just like bro caught and jumped in tbh

[charred saddle]

i mean we all started somewhere

[gentle delta]

super toxic attitude, dude above me is correct

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/7d6392da994508fa

[pale burrow]

how would i get knock off on a tyranitar? im a full on noob, this is my first time putting ateam together

thank you, im on scarlet if tht helps

[winged marten]

Yaa I did some more googling and saw that transfer only moves were lost. That’s really sad but its whatever. Thank you!!

[gentle crag]

latios79 has given 1 Gen Rep to progatog

[pearl wind]

it gets knock off via TM

[gentle delta]

Given that VGC is a thing, its a decent band aid to allow transfer pokemon to always be usable without adding further workarounds like the Battle Ready symbol in Gen 8, Its overall a positive thing.

If transfer moves were allowed, Heatran would be broken and pay/be older enough to win

As there was a very limited time event in Gen 4 for an Eruption Heatran

So making a permanent solution to transfer moves is smart

[pale burrow]

right o, ill have a search on the tm and location. thank you very much

[gentle crag]

le_chef420 has given 1 Gen Rep to .alyz.

[winged marten]

Ooh I see I see. Ya that makes sense.

[gentle delta]

Gen 5 allowed transfer moves which had a few broken examples

eruption heatran, heal bell articuno, follow me magmar (now legal again many years later lol)

Gen 6 and 7 had the solution to just ban mons from previous gens

which was also kinda silly

So Gen 8 they did the battle ready symbol which was generally poorly received

The new thing of Home saving your moveset, but then not transferring them between games, is the cleanest solution.

[winged marten]

Ya I agree. Getting rid of transfer only moves just makes sense

[gentle delta]

You can use that Teleport Arcanine all you want in SwSh, just not in SV

And its also a solution for the fact that we're likely to have backwards compatability the next few gens

imagine having a fun Gen 8 tournament and you can spike it with the now legal Trick Room Indeedee, if you could transfer moves backwards

Having each move set be saved to the individual game is super clean.

[winged marten]

Ya I agree, ig I’ll just hope eventually he can learn it via tm 🤣 For now I’ll just mess with it in sword haha.

[gentle delta]

The move is unbelievably busted in competitive singles, odds are its never a TM again lol

[supple ether]

Cacturne and overqwil what do they have in common?

That's right, they are going to make fell stinger work this generation

Trust

[gentle delta]

If you can win a tournament of at least 16 people on limitless with Overqwil and prove you brought it to games in top cut. I'll give you 50$

[supple ether]

Lmao

Overqwil is alrigh idk

Swift swim intimidate, decent typing

Decent attack and bulk

Will test out some games and lyk

[pale burrow]

Well I spent 13 hours researching and checking videos. I got my first team sorted out for some singles.
Cheers for the help tofu.
I'd tag u but I can't find the right one so just hope ya see this I guess haha.

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 904: Overqwil

Types

Dark/Poison

Abilities

Poison Point, Swift Swim, Intimidate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/115/95/65/65/85

Total

510

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[near crag]

check this out: https://pokepast.es/698b264d4c881e9a a perish dozo team

[karmic temple]

Don’t see the point in perish trapping unless you’re doing it solely to sac the tatsu?

[mighty stump]

I apologise I couldn’t have assisted more

But good to hear

[midnight bison]

hey everyone, wanna get into competitive. dont have much experience but i learn quick

anyone have recommendations for youtube channels or educational youtubers?

maybe specifically for team biulding to start since i dont rly have a team yet
im also dead set on putting either greninja or dragapult+kingambit in my team

[knotty mirage]

Does hard press work the same as eruption or water sprout ?

[mighty stump]

Check the pins

Theres a ton of resources laid out

[mighty stump]

No, Hard Press is based off the Target’s HP, not yours

[knotty mirage]

Ah okay just little bit confused with the description of the move

[near crag]

it is solely to kill tatsu, than I'd put flamigo.

[bold geode]

Wolfe did the same shit for NAIC with different pieces

[supple ether]

iron hands is just urshifu with different typing and stats

[brazen bough]

🤝 I'll double that

[brazen bough]

that doesnt sound too bad

what mons get it

[brazen bough]

no?

[supple ether]

that's the point Im making

[brazen bough]

ok ig

[mighty stump]

Its like Crush Grip, I don’t think its great

I dunno, I haven’t ran any calcs for it but I dislike it

Im not the biggest fan of variable BP moves without any other benefits

[bold geode]

Mornin

[cyan smelt]

sup monke

[mighty stump]

Morning.

[bold geode]

Bagel time
Anyways what we cookin

[mighty stump]

Im just on cart ladder atm cause ive been slacking

Playing Gouging Fire

[bold geode]

Pog

Gouging Fire good
Pogging Fire

[mighty stump]

And also I have a busy day so this is pretty mindless

[bold geode]

Have or had?

[mighty stump]

had

[bold geode]

Oh what do

[mighty stump]

made burgers from scratch for my family and girlfriend

so prep cook and clean after too

[bold geode]

Ayo you got any pics

[mighty stump]

made a mountain of onion rings and fries

[bold geode]

DAYUM

Onion rings do go hard

What you make burgers with did you just go straight beef or did you add other shit

[mighty stump]

its actually a beef and pork burger cause I found it was a more flavourful blend

melted gouda cheese

brioche buns obv

[bold geode]

Yeah never had that so beef and pork does sound good

Can't go wrong with brioche

[mighty stump]

they were smash burgers too

[bold geode]

Smash burgers?

[mighty stump]

onion rings were standard but I made tempura batter

[bold geode]

Tofu what did you do with the burger now

[mighty stump]

How are you american and not know what a smash burger is

[bold geode]

Wtf is a smash burger
It sounds familiar but

Oh they beat the meat on the grill

Wtf they abusing the cow even after death
Vegans are mad about smash burgers

[mighty stump]

:/

[bold geode]

Anyways tempura batter? I know about tempura shrimp but what's special about tempura how it made

[mighty stump]

ice cold water is needed to get the nice crispyness and so it stays that way

[bold geode]

Wait you fry it in cold water?

[pale burrow]

Do I need the dlc for knock off tm? 🤔

[mighty stump]

No, but you probably need to trade for it.

[bold geode]

How it fry if water cold

[mighty stump]

No

You boob

You make the batter using cold water

and you fry it in oil

[bold geode]

Oh
Well that seems simple lmao

[pale burrow]

Lmfao

Ironic conversation to barge into

[bold geode]

Tofu's just covering up
He's throwing ice in the KFC deep fryer

[pale burrow]

You want the water real cold, when I make batter for service, I'll keep the water with ice cubes inside, in the fridge

Also a dash of sparking water really creates texture

[mighty stump]

Yeah thats basically how it goes, i have ice cubes in the batter and i have to work fast since yknow, tropical country

[molten oasis]

What are y’all talking about?

[pale burrow]

Ah nice, I only do it to elevate my countries food as we're known for shit food 🙃

[bold geode]

Bro's on fuckin MasterChef shit just making onion rings
GOT 60 MINUTES ON THE CLOCK

ANY LONGER AND THIS TEMPURA BATTER WILL BE SHIT

[pale burrow]

^ I didn't get past the 2nd round of international master chef audition last year. Maybe this year

[mighty stump]

Food

[bold geode]

Oh you tried out?

[molten oasis]

I see

[pale burrow]

Yeah and tried for the UK master chef about 7 years ago

[bold geode]

That's sick

[mighty stump]

I made pork and beef smash burgers with onion rings and this fool thinks I fried onion rings in cold water

[molten oasis]

That’s awesome

[bold geode]

I mean idk what you be doing over there lmao

[pale burrow]

Would of been better if I made it through haha, but it was a fun and humbling experience.
In my older years, I've started to turn to authentic Italian cuisine

Anyway, tofu, wana trade me some tm knockoffs please lol

[brazen bough]

did you make any glizzies or fries?

[bold geode]

Oh good ol Italian food

[brazen bough]

use the trading channels

[mighty stump]

No, just fries

[bold geode]

Actually Tofu how would you make glizzy

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/e700de16ee108bf5 alrighty testing this today. Hopefully it goes at least decently well

[mighty stump]

I'll see if I have any, or i'm going to delegate to Monke

Monke go help him

[pale burrow]

Yeah that was my plan. I'm just chatting with tofu and have for the time I've been in here. Figured this was fine to casually ask

[bold geode]

Idt I even have any

[mighty stump]

Make some

[bold geode]

I gotta get up out of bed fucker

But I'll do it

[pale burrow]

Right legend u are

[bold geode]

You can trade TMs though?

[mighty stump]

Held item

[pale burrow]

I've traded exactly 2 times and both those times was today. So in short. No idea

Before today was 18 years ago with a link cable

[brazen bough]

wait what are the tr mystery gifts again

like what do they give

[pale burrow]

Random things. I think I got a random tm today

[smoky hawk]

One mystery gift gives you the mythical pecha berry which is a key item for the epilogue

[cyan smelt]

it's 10 metal sound tms

[pale burrow]

Ph yeah got that mythical thing

[brazen bough]

im not doing the epilogue

[bold geode]

I don't have the Knock Off materials

[smoky hawk]

Why not?

[pale burrow]

No worries mate appreciate you checking

[brazen bough]

i have like 30 knock offs lol

[smoky hawk]

I'm not ever going to use pecharunt but I still want to have every pokemon

[brazen bough]

i have so many mats from grinding the shiny living dex

[pale burrow]

Wait we use this pechaberry thing to get a Mon?

[smoky hawk]

Yes, the last mon in the dlc pokedex

Pecharunt

[pale burrow]

Oh ill buy the dlc some other time. I'm just interested in a few tms from the dlc tbh.
Thank you for the info

[cyan smelt]

the event doesn't expire so no rush

[pale burrow]

That's real cool. I've been passively playing playing a few months between service. Now I've completed base game. Wanted to try some pvp before doing more story. There's so much reading my god

[brazen bough]

I got shiny petcharunt yesterday thank you to everyone who supported me on the hunt!

[pale burrow]

Well done

[cyan smelt]

it's shiny locked

[smoky hawk]

They shoulda given Pecharunt mortal spin

[pale burrow]

Oooo cheater

[smoky hawk]

That would be fun

[cyan smelt]

they gave it parting shot

[brazen bough]

everyone was talking about pecharun being related to glimmora in some way

i still kinda believe it

[soft lark]

parting shot bad

[bold geode]

No

[brazen bough]

smeargle muk might be really strong

[cyan smelt]

smeargle gets koed, muk takes over moody, muk minimises?

[brazen bough]

yes

[karmic temple]

Same thing as using scovillain Muk

[cyan smelt]

that's one way to annoy your opponent lmao

[karmic temple]

It’s alright but everyone knows the gimmick

cries in trying to ladder with it

[brazen bough]

and

if you know your lines it will be both annoying and good

[cyan smelt]

does anyone still run simple beam dozo

[karmic temple]

Annoying yes but good I wouldn’t say

It relies too much on rng to get the stats you want. Can you get wins with it? Yeah of course but if you get 2 - attacks in a row you’re ool

Takes 3 turns to set up max minimize and you gotta hope by then you can get the momentum going with dp/knock off and pray you get the stat buffs you want

[mighty stump]

Its a very one dimensional team

Every shifu ive met on ladder is now Darkshifu

Called it

Too many people prepped for Watershifu that Darkshifu is now spiking

[brazen bough]

thatsaplus1 took terrakion to portland and is taking it to charlotte

and thing is

now that durshifu is spiking doesnt that make terrakion good into it

[mighty stump]

Not really

Terrakion/Whims leads are also so predictable/preppable

[karmic temple]

Justified doesn’t make you immune to dark damage does it?

[cyan smelt]

no

[mighty stump]

No you just get a boost

[karmic temple]

Ok I thought so

[bold geode]

Almost like cough cough REG D

[brazen bough]

also like 50000000 ppl are running sun rn

so i can see why durshifus are common

[mighty stump]

I have seen like

Barely any sun teams

[bold geode]

Nah just more shit to check WaterShifu
Mainly Bolt which if you're Scarf, you can damn near Clap spam

[bold geode]

I've seen a decent amount

[mighty stump]

i just eat it though

Lmao

Urshifu god spread bro

[brazen bough]

imo i really dont like playing wake because of positioning

[bold geode]

Lmao

[brazen bough]

but the torkoal team might actually make it possible for me to run it

[bold geode]

Don't use Wake then

I mean Sun HO ain't the only thing

[summer shore]

@bold geode

[bold geode]

@summer shore

[rich nymph]

I just ran into a fairy type Archaludon spamming body press with a whimsicott using lash out on it to instantly boost that defense... Archaludon also was very specially defensive

[mighty stump]

You mean Beat Up

[rich nymph]

oh yh

[supple ether]

(our names)

[unkempt flax]

I’ve never had so much fun in Pokémon, then using Registeel Glimmora and Latias/Salamance

It’s genuinely so fun to just win games with it

[zenith jungle]

I'm getting better at using this team and found some good strategies, but how good would y'all say this team is overall? https://pokepast.es/6611c6e3047d7822

[unkempt flax]

And although I personally think salamance is better then Latias for that “core” it’s just. I can’t even explain how much fun it is

I forgot how fun Glimmora was

And how good it is too 💀

[zenith jungle]

Also why is regidrago not commonly used?

[brazen bough]

its hard to use is what i think

but it is a good pokemon

like its not really a splashable mon but a mon you kinda need to build around

[zenith jungle]

Would you say my team is decently suited for it?

[timber falcon]

does anyone here know where i can get most usd evs fo grass ogerpon?

[timber falcon]

not that hard to counter

[next stump]

I believe pikalytics separates by type

[still root]

I'm trying to get into competetive teambuilding, but I'm not sure if I am doing it right. Can someone give some advice on this Sunny Day team I'm trying to do? https://pokepast.es/8911bb924a50a37d

[pale burrow]

Nice.
What kind of cuisine do you do

[next stump]

9/16 glimmoras at Portland earned CP

highest rate of any pokemon I believe

[supple ether]

Front of House
Old nickname from my serving days, wbu?

[unkempt flax]

Like

Glim with a rocky helmet Pokémon in back I feel is a must

[mighty stump]

Glimm with Rocky Helmet is definitely a way

[pale burrow]

Ah cool.
I'm in Italian, fresh pastas, sourdough pizzas and sauces

[unkempt flax]

Power herb all the way

[mighty stump]

Im still Rocky Helmet

[unkempt flax]

💪💪💪

[true niche]

is my team "boring" if im have pao, d-nite and entei (yup tera normal)

[mighty stump]

I like not having a one and done STAB

[supple ether]

👀👀👀ayo? Ive been trying to learn good tomato sauce for my ma (she loves it) what's the secret you'd say

[unkempt flax]

Yo tofu, what’s the best way you think to self proc toxic debris

I’ve been using u turn

[supple ether]

(we can also dm if youd prefer, regardless it's neato to meet a cheffy)

[mighty stump]

I haven't really needed to self proc

[supple ether]

EQ and Bulldoze is a lot of what I seen. Though Ive been thinking brutal swing could be fun

[mighty stump]

Especially since im U-Turn

Rocky Helmt*

[unkempt flax]

REAL

nvm pretend I said nothing

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/539d5377f63e2b2b in case youre curious

[pale burrow]

I use San marzano tomatoes about 2.5kg, 12g of salt and about 200 grams of basil.
Slow cook the Tom's for 6 to 7 hours, then you can either blitz for smooth or leave for a rustic texture.
3 ingredients and a bit of olive oil. 🫒

[pale burrow]

Probably best so we don't spam this chat

[karmic temple]

My favorite tomato sauce recipe is going to the store and buying the canned one 😍😍

[brazen bough]

good

jk

[lament condor]

What is compatible with volt switch Luxray

[mighty stump]

Honestly you can treat this a general chat if nothing else is going on

Happens in every channel anyways

[brazen bough]

this is like its own little community

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2033504183-pk02j7uufj7xs47iykxtj62v5pzk51epw just wanted to show this match for 2 reasons, im proud of myeslf cuase i usually cower against such team, and that smeargle has potential

[brazen bough]

i wish my card actually worked so i could get a coach before the tourney

[timber falcon]

i know the opponent played kinda bad but hey a win is a win

[mighty stump]

Tour?

[brazen bough]

charlotte

[mighty stump]

Ah

[brazen bough]

just mostly last min tips

[mighty stump]

Well, you can ask us around here. It's the same knowledge for free

I've done more than my fare share

[brazen bough]

and some bo3 practice

[mighty stump]

Dillon top 16'd Portland as well

[brazen bough]

i mean its mostly that i wanted bo3 practice and general last minute tips before the tourney

[mighty stump]

Have you done Bo3 Ladder stuff?

[brazen bough]

yeah ive done my fair share

[mighty stump]

How high did you get?

[brazen bough]

top 400 last week

so ive been playing mostly cart

[mighty stump]

What matchups have you lacked?

[fathom geyser]

How do I report a bug on showdown

[mighty stump]

What bug

[brazen bough]

i havent really struggled with most mu's but paonite/paotei still is a bit diffigult to play against

[mighty stump]

Probably more appropriate to ask their FAQ area/Help area

[fathom geyser]

Raging bolt being forced to have 20 atk iv

[brazen bough]

and tornshifu

[mighty stump]

Thats correct

Raging Bolt is locked in all of its stats

[fathom geyser]

How

[mighty stump]

Like all the paradox mons

to 20 IV

[fathom geyser]

Why

[mighty stump]

...Ask GameFreak?

Showdown just follows what's available in game

[mighty stump]

We can do a set if you want.

[brazen bough]

im gonna ladder with the new team first

on an alt

if you would still be down then

[mighty stump]

If you want you can just send me a paste of the team as well

[brazen bough]

its just the registeel rilla team / jumpluff koal from cobalts twitter

i was watching pengy play the koal team so i kinda know how to play into it

[brazen bough]

how do you go about turn zero's?

[pale burrow]

This is for double you guys talking about yeah

[brazen bough]

yes

[pale burrow]

(Noob questions are my bad. This is my first time talking about comp) not even played yet. Only just got my first team for singles today

[molten oasis]

Thought you were on break

[mighty stump]

Based off matchups, you identify their potential brings into yours based off what tools they have knowing your wincons. At this point, you'd also want to be able to identify what their potential tera choices which is usually interlinked with their wincons

[mighty stump]

Yeah after today

I haven't gone to bed yhet

[molten oasis]

Oh after today ok

[mighty stump]

Might as well just finish up whatever while im still around

[pale burrow]

What kind of break? Like discord break or all things games

[mighty stump]

No, considering the scope of things I do around for comp stuff sometimes I try to take a break so I don't overload my mind into a rut

I have constant pings like every day so

[brazen bough]

Oh yeah make sure to take a good break

Focus on your health then help others when you think it's best

i took a break from social media (besides youtube) for like 3 weeks and i felt so much better after

[lofty tartan]

I only ping for stupid stuff and not comp help. I'm trying

[mighty stump]

It appears theres an exaggeration, it's constant pings but not overwhelmingly so

So don't worry

[lofty tartan]

@warped mason your Specs Chi-Yu in your rental in #rental_teams has Protect and that Urshifu spread doesn't turn Moonblast into a 2hko like was mentioned. May wanna look at that

[warped mason]

Thx. Will look at it later. Completely missed I had protect, tho all I clicked were heatwave and snarl anyway.

[gentle crag]

akhil002 has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika

[unkempt flax]

Body press mon. Which is better? Kommo-o or Registeel?

[supple ether]

Lavaplume superiority. Rise up!

[supple ether]

Steel probably. Given it's far more popular

Though carbink is the body presser of my heart

[lofty tartan]

I slotted grass Tera blast onto specs Chi-Yu. Helps in a few matches. Ghost is okay.

Been playing Sash Chi-Yu on Crown for quite a bit. Haven't lost with it but Sash is also just okay right now.

Sitrus Indeedee been sorta cracked

[pale burrow]

Well I appreciate the welcome tofu 😘

[lofty tartan]

https://pokepast.es/92ff3c4ef86c6c5e

Thinking about giving this a solid test run. I bring Torn/Shifu to almost no matches. Chi-Yu comes to every match.

Waterpon/Darkshifu improves a lot of areas and makes Hard TR feel free

Mirror is landslide in your favor

https://tenor.com/view/i-must-go-gif-9201427

[bold geode]

How could you

[lofty tartan]

Because I'm friendly

I know he has to help a lot of people with a lot of things so I try to make him laugh if I can, or let him vent, cause we care about Tofu

[unkempt flax]

I want to ask, could an argument be made for it?

[lofty tartan]

An argument for what?

[unkempt flax]

For kommo-o

[lofty tartan]

Registeel and Kommo-o have both found some level of success with Body Press sets

So like yeah - a case could be made for it. Bulletproof and ID/BP

[brazen bough]

registeel was a sleeper coming into this format

but wow am i surprised

[lofty tartan]

It's no small wonder why he's a good body press user.

His defense is pretty huge.

I personally like Registeel a little more, but Kommo-o has some nice qualities of blanking Shadow Ball

[mighty stump]

It also runs Amnesia sometimes, or so ive seen

[brazen bough]

have you seen regiroock's defense???

base 200

[lofty tartan]

Yeah but Regirock suffers into Rapid Strikes

[brazen bough]

actually

[unkempt flax]

I’ll try kommo-o when I get home. I’ve been really liking Registeel Glimmora, but I wonder if I can get the same, or more success with Kommo-o Glimmora

[brazen bough]

imma look into that because defensive tera not many are taking it down

[lofty tartan]

Hit it with special moves.

[unkempt flax]

Same thing, but dragon as a typing is really nice rn

Especially being able to Tera into steel

[brazen bough]

or sitrus

[unkempt flax]

Plus kommo-o Glimmora seem to have good synergy

We will see how fast I get out of 1600

💀💀💀

[vivid nest]

Hey, I'm somewhat new to VGC and was wondering if its better to reset/adjust EVs on old mons or just breed and train new ones?

[next stump]

it depends how close the EVs are

sometimes it only takes a couple minutes to adjust EVs, other times it's better to just make a 2nd one

anyone know how I get rid of these open games, I closed out of all of them but they're still appearing here

and I apparently can't have 5 games open at once

[vivid nest]

I have a 0/252/0/0/4/252 Excadrill and want it changed to 60/196/124/0/76/52 as there unnecesary speed evs considering sand rush

[next stump]

probably easier to train a new one

[vivid nest]

I see, thanks for the feedback

[unreal cape]

Is it me or are tiers below master in terms of skills and difficulty much lower than master itself in duo?

[next stump]

yes, they're usually a lot lower

[unreal cape]

I see, interesting

[karmic temple]

There’s more casuals playing on ranked ladder than you think that are just trying to get the hm/lp/bottle caps

[unreal cape]

I saw alot off meta teams climbing to master, once I hit master it was all tournament teams

[nova tangle]

Opinions on av gouging fire?

[karmic temple]

Don’t do it

Booster or clear amulet

[placid thorn]

I reckon it's a bug

It happened to me the other day pretty annoying

[mental glen]

Anyone have a good doubles drought team that involves incinaroar as the ace and no legends or myticals?

[next stump]

aces don't really exist in doubles

unless you just mean, incineroar exists on the team

[bold geode]

What we doing

[bold geode]

Yeah no Booster or Rocky Helmet for Support, Clear Amulet for DDance set
I love Booster Energy support as fast Howls can help a ton

[chrome knot]

lilligant is my ace

[bold geode]

My ace is Rillaboom
Nah Gouging Fire slap rn

[mental glen]

Yeah that's what I mean

[bold geode]

Also hai Emmie how you

How's the kitchen

[chrome knot]

hay

good and good

[bold geode]

Nice
The kitchen on my end is sorta like
It's not burning down but there is a fuckin idiot waving a lighter in here

But the payoff for content shall be insane

If a site will get back with me

[mental glen]

Dose anyone have a good team??

[bold geode]

Incineroar is not good as an ace, it's support and utility all the way through

Plus there's not that many teams like that around rn unless you count Cybertron's Wake team that has Sunny Day Whimsicott
Plus no aces in VGC so

[mental glen]

Huh

That's annoying

[bold geode]

Way it is 🤷‍♂️

[mental glen]

Oh well

[tired sage]

i mean, you usually have two designated attackers
if those count as aces then doubles has aces

[fallen garden]

yeah I like thinking about it from that perspective too

[bold geode]

I mean not really as much
I don't really think that way tbh

[fallen garden]

it's less "i have one guy that I need to rely on to clinch out a game" and more "let me build a team that emphasizes this guy that I like"

which isn't always optimal, but it can still be fun

[bold geode]

Well even with that mindset
Incineroar isn't good for such a thing sadly

It enables others, not the other way around

[fallen garden]

hmm I guess I just see that as a good thing

[pseudo zinc]

Really loving the way terapagos is dominating the tournament

[smoky hawk]

Completely expected

[pseudo zinc]

I really thought that raging bolt would cause a bigger threat so kinda built a team around that

[lofty tartan]

Yeah honestly Blueberry Prologue looked sorta meh because it's just obvious Terapagos food

[fallen garden]

i think the raging bolt vs terapagos matchup just isn't great

[lofty tartan]

And it's very hard to match it on sheer power level

BUT - just a for-fun no-stakes tournament

Much more excited for Global Challenges

[pseudo zinc]

I think in a non terapagos meta my team works so well

[next stump]

only 3 more weeks until the first 1 🙂

[fallen garden]

I haven't even finished building my bb prologue team, lol

speaking of which, https://pokepast.es/b498a472e5a354fb

[lofty tartan]

Did they announce it?!

[next stump]

yeah the dates are out there

lemme find it

[fallen garden]

not completely sold on Iron Boulder here, but I like having Cleave

[next stump]

https://twitter.com/VGCVictoryRoad/status/1744630304210317617

These are like 99% chance the dates

it's how they did it last year

[lofty tartan]

Oh sweet

Exciting news - thanks 😄

[lofty tartan]

Sick

Very sick

[unkempt flax]

Let’s gooo

[lofty tartan]

Gonna be pushing Crown for sure.

[unkempt flax]

Global challenge mentioned 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Wtf is game balancing 🔥🔥🔥

[fallen garden]

Also bringing Blaziken because I think it will only ever be good in a meta where it's good at killing Terapagos

[bold geode]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

[timber falcon]

So anyone can join this?

[next stump]

yep

[near crag]

would after you spore work out?

[tired sage]

yes
unless it’s mycelium might i think

dunno haven’t tested

[nocturne holly]

How much more world points you need?

[next stump]

139

[nocturne holly]

W Dillon

[next stump]

thank you 🙂

[near crag]

what is the total needed?

[next stump]

500

for NA at least

[near crag]

wow, you're really close, than

best of luck!

[next stump]

thank you 🙂 i appreciate it

[forest arrow]

When’s your next regional Dill?

[shrewd scarab]

Anyone got a copy paste of a good Urshifu build for reg f

[next stump]

charlotte next weekend, and then a very long break after that

4 months until my next tourney

[mighty stump]

Uhh theres a few but here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLXhZzbuv6A

Skim this

[mighty stump]

Something should float your boat there

[smoky hawk]

I've been enjoying sun teams myself

RB tera fire with weather ball makes sense

I'll have to try that

[near crag]

Could anyone help me out with this team? https://pokepast.es/f05153a11930df0a thanks!

[shrewd scarab]

Thank you

[kindred cypress]

Aight, how far fetched does an assault vest hisuian samurott sound?

[kindred cypress]

Chain pao prefers sucker punch over throat chop, whim won’t get any priority with trick room(prob run taunt or encore), and I think tbolt is better then snarl in raging bolt

[near crag]

both snarl and throat chop are there to counter psyspam, which was battering me every game I played against it

[kindred cypress]

Sucker can take care of psychics even in trick room, and chien pao can just use ice spinner instead of icicle crash to get rid of psychic terrain

[smoky hawk]

Ice Spinner works or switch in rillaboom

[kindred cypress]

And neutralizing gas

[near crag]

Sucker doesn't allow me to take care of indeedee, or farigiraf, that are the biggest roles for it, since I have snarl and shadow ball to wipe other possible psychic types

[mighty stump]

You have CM AV

[smoky hawk]

On one of my reg F teams I dealt with psyspam using AV incin spamming snarl

It is, as they say, super effective

[mighty stump]

You trade Sacred Sword for that

Having no Priority on Chien really sucks

[smoky hawk]

Yep on more than one occasion I tried to justify throat chop on chien-pao to help take out cresselia. It does with LO

But I always found it's just not worth it

Besides, there's something to be said about having the fastest priority user in the meta on your team. Very helpful

[dapper crag]

Move: Smart Strike

This move does not check accuracy.

Type

Steel

Category

Physical

Power

70

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[old warren]

Does Tera fighting breloom Mach punch become 60 base power?

Likewise Tera steel scizor bullet punch?

[kindred cypress]

Idk

[dapper crag]

Move: Bullet Punch

No additional effect.

Type

Steel

Category

Physical

Power

40

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

30 (48)

Priority

1

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Punch

Boosted by Iron Fist.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Ability: Technician

This Pokemon's moves of 60 power or less have their power multiplied by 1.5, including Struggle. This effect comes after a move's effect changes its own power.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[kindred cypress]

I would guess so, since they both get technician

[brazen bough]

is anyone playing in the victory road tourney tommorow?

[kindred cypress]

There’s a tourney?

[brazen bough]

https://battlefy.com/victoryroad/victory-road-winter-challenge/659c31e5fdc00371e3da5d50/info?infoTab=details

[runic bloom]

Hi i’m new to competitive and wanted to make a team with whimsicott, iron bundle and fluttermane who else should i add for better type coverage or to make it a better team ?

[little plank]

I mean whimsicott and bundle are there doe the same reasons.

For*

[plush nova]

Can't really go wrong with adding Incineroar.

[little plank]

Anyways running a perish trap team, and currently 9-0 on ladder. Insane what a niche move can do lol

[kindred cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/wolfeyvgc-smirk-gif-18035950

[little plank]

Haha yeah was inspired by Wolfe to make it work.

[runic bloom]

what does tailwind do

[boreal mauve]

Tailwind

Base Power:

—

G-max Power:

—

Accuracy:

—

Category

Status

Type:

Flying

Power Points (PP)

15

Priority:

0

In-Game Desciption:

The user whips up a turbulent whirlwind that ups
the Speed stats of the user and its allies for
four turns.

Technical Description:

For the next three turns, all Pokémon on the user's side of the field have their original Speed doubled. This effect remains if the user leaves the field.

Other Properties:

Does not make Contact
Not affected by Protect
Not affected by Magic Coat
Affected by Snatch
Not affected by Mirror Move
Affected by King's Rock

Provided by Nexus-Z

[little plank]

Doubles your pokemons speed for the next 3 turns

[pale burrow]

Morning yall

Did my first ever pvp last night with a sand team I researched.
Think I'm in some low ranks because I just smashed heads lol. I'm addicted now till I run into the bigger boys with an iq lol

[runic bloom]

ohhh

[autumn kelp]

Curious, would it be straight up better to use rentals or build my own team , I think rentals already got the maths behind lol

[supple ether]

Personal preference Id say

For me Im a terrible team builder so if I wanna rank up I gotta use someone else's, but if im just chillin for fun I like to use my own teams

[timber falcon]

Pretty sure it’s 80

[scenic surge]

What build do y’all recommend for golurk in sv?

[timber falcon]

In doubles?

Or singles

Cause I wouldn’t recommend in doubles, I’ve tried that

[cyan smelt]

too many dark types around

[timber falcon]

Yeah

Chien pao is a bully

[scenic surge]

I suppose singles in that case

[timber falcon]

No guard

Quake, dynamic punch, stone edge

You can run vest or band

Tera fighting ofc

[scenic surge]

Aight, thank you

[timber falcon]

On YouTube there’s a full set

https://youtu.be/f4B67yFcgus?si=A7OVqPvQYGJt_7YW

[near crag]

How can I deal with crescelia with this team? https://pokepast.es/dc5cbbcad65ebce6

chien can't do much, since crescelia rarely attacks

[next stump]

GL to anyone playing victory road tourney today

[next stump]

ghold needs nasty plot over dazzling

or just go specs

and then that would be your cress answer

[forest arrow]

Sorry for late reply haha, but good luck at Charlotte!

[next stump]

thank you 🙂

[forest arrow]

Of course! You had a great run last weekend! Only up from here! 🙏🏼

[chrome knot]

@next stump have pc today pray for me

also ive asked 300 times but are you going knox?

[next stump]

good luck! do you know how many will be there

[chrome knot]

i keep forgetting

[next stump]

I thought I was but I never registered and never booked a flight LOL

so no

[chrome knot]

i have no idea bc it ranges from 7-20

OOP lmfao

[next stump]

hopefully you hit the participation kicker for Top 8 CP

I think that’s 16 or 17

[chrome knot]

there was 7 last time and i got a cute 30cp

idk what that bit means for the top8 part

[next stump]

basically if there are 14 people there, the tournament structure will be like 4-5 rounds of swiss cutting to a top 4

[chrome knot]

wait why on earth did i say mas

mss its a pc

[next stump]

but if you hit 17, then you play 5 rounds swiss cutting to a top 8