competitive_discussion

[nocturne holly]

Yea ik that but I won’t know what I don’t have

[smoky hawk]

Alex Underhill and Michael Zhang are playing each other as we speak at my local

[nocturne holly]

W

[karmic temple]

Stream ladder or go back to sleep 🫣

[next stump]

won the midseason showdown i went to 🙂

[molten oasis]

[keen karma]

gg

[smoky hawk]

I lost to someone who spammed fake outs with iron hands and rilla and brute bonnet's spore

[willow vault]

Oh, unlucky man

[smoky hawk]

I feel like if you play that way, you have zero respect for your opponent

And you're probably a sociopath and the next mass shooter

[willow vault]

Or you just really want to win

[smoky hawk]

Or that, I guess

[smoky hawk]

My team today did poorly and I'm trying to figure out why

It's strange because there were countless moments when I thought I made very smart plays

Then still lost. But I never did anything as far as I can tell that was stupid

So... I'm scratching my head here

I suppose I wasn't putting out much damage overall. The curse of sash fluttermane and jolly ogerpon and some other choices

[nocturne holly]

W

[nocturne holly]

Is your sash flutter max max?

[smoky hawk]

Yes, and modest

[nocturne holly]

How was it not putting out damage then?

[smoky hawk]

It was able to 2-shot anything but not one-shot. I miss specs

[nocturne holly]

rip
Why didn’t you use specs? Was it on smth else?

[smoky hawk]

I had trick room imprison on it

I may designate that responsibility to another pokemon

I was thinking sinistcha

[cyan smelt]

i wonder if annihilape will be viable in reg f seeing as whimsicott gets tw and beat up

[smoky hawk]

Yeah what if the annihilape goes tera ghost with weakness policy?

Timid Whims still isn't doing much dmg

[chrome knot]

the point is to self proc rage fist…

[tired sage]

on top of the weakness policy which boosts atk sharply, beat up will power up rage fist-

also whimsy is usually prankster support anyways

[polar vigil]

I have a life orb on mine, it isint really 1 shotting stuff either

[smoky hawk]

That's the one problem with the strat with annihilape

[tired sage]

that’s a problem-?

[smoky hawk]

You want whims to also get TW off

[tired sage]

well you can always tw and protect T1 cause most likely whimsy is gonna be sashed

then beat up rage fist T2

and whimsy is already crazy fast with prankster so it’ll go first with prankster anyways

[smoky hawk]

Yep unless they double on whims turn 1

So if it is a best of 3, next game you might consider changing the strat just a little

[tired sage]

i guess…
but would people do that?
whimsy is too cute to hurt
no but in all seriousness i can see where you’re coming from

if they do double into whimsy then your strat kinda falls apart

[smoky hawk]

If it's open team sheets best of 3, have protect on whims too so they are less likely to double into whims

Then game 2 I'd probably mix it up by going for beat up turn 1 and hoping it lives to use TW next turn

[tired sage]

idk if it would be viable but if whimsy had covert instead of sash for fake out
no this is stupid whimsy is frail af

on the other hand you can run something else more threatening and have ape in the back so that whimsy would live at least one
but it would depend on whether they find that other mon overly threatening m

but then you’re also just sacrificing a mon…

[smoky hawk]

Nah it's a good strat to lead with, worth using. Especially for in game ladder

Maybe for in person tournaments

[tired sage]

maybe. it’ll def catch people off guard. even if it’s ots

[dim harbor]

Anyone trading shinys

[tired sage]

i would go into #trading_sv_shiny or #1112832566261731328 for that.

[dim harbor]

Oh my bad

[nocturne holly]

Annihilape is like a perfect counter to incin on paper

[tired sage]

defiant would def do its job and ape can hit incin with SE moves

[cyan smelt]

and it's neutral to darkest lariat

[tired sage]

but don’t incin’s usually run flare blitz?

[cyan smelt]

yes

don't apes usually run tera fire for fairy attacks

[dapper crag]

Move: Flare Blitz

Has a 10% chance to burn the target. If the target lost HP, the user takes recoil damage equal to 33% the HP lost by the target, rounded half up, but not less than 1 HP.

Type

Fire

Category

Physical

Power

120

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Defrost

Thaws the user if frozen.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[tired sage]

from what i know yes, but it can run ghost for boosted rage fist

ig the only problem with flare blitz is the burn…
10% is still something to watch out for

[cyan smelt]

and incin is almost as bulky as ape

[tired sage]

incin has more defence by 10 but ape has 15 more in hp

spd is both 90.
incin :95/90/90 (hp def spd)
ape: 110/80/90

same attack stats too :0

[cyan smelt]

if incin reaches the same level of popularity as before i might finally run ape

[molten oasis]

How we doing atm

[tired sage]

it’ll prob be really good if it still gets parting shot
cause that was incin’s main gimmick was parting shot to cycle intimidates

[cyan smelt]

swsh vgc was like intim > fake out > parting shot > repeat

[tired sage]

yeah… that was scary
it’s why i hate incin with a passion and also scared of it

[cyan smelt]

clear amulet exists now

[tired sage]

true true.
but only one mom can run clear amulet so we gotta choose carefully

[cyan smelt]

also hands exists and it's bulky enough to take on incin

[molten oasis]

Clear amu will likely pick up a little along with defiant mons depending on how popular incin gets

[tired sage]

well incin isn’t known for attacking

[molten oasis]

Which also means the goat gambit gets more time to shine (I hope)

[cyan smelt]

kingambit might start running low kick to deal with incin

[molten oasis]

Kingambit literally laughs at resists

[tired sage]

idk how relevant tera fairy gambit is now but it might come back

depending on what incin and said mons become popular

[molten oasis]

One swords dance does over 50 to like, everything

[orchid falcon]

what does G moltres work well with? and whats a goo EV spread for it?

[molten oasis]

Sinistcha grimmsnarl hands alolan ninetales rillaboom

Moltres-Galar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Berserk
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 212 HP / 156 SpA / 140 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Fiery Wrath
• Air Slash
• Nasty Plot
• Protect

Hands is legit one of the only things that tanks gambit

At +2

[cyan smelt]

flutter mane still does a hefty amount to kingambit

[molten oasis]

Kingambit ohkos in return

And that’s why I like poison Tera a lot

It can be really important to resist mane for setting up

You can also protect gambit and just, blow it up

With rilla or hands or most physical attackers

[cyan smelt]

i want to use kingambit again

[orchid falcon]

is it bad if mine has best in atk?

[molten oasis]

You should. I have a rental yiu can try but I also have a more relevant gambit team you can try https://pokepast.es/01d8efcff21a7a17

[molten oasis]

No, it doesn’t care about foul play, not that that’s common

[orchid falcon]

and he resists

[molten oasis]

The names are for fun I was insanely bored building this team

Torn and mane are so boring

[tired sage]

i should try new teams
that arcanine looks mighty interesting

[molten oasis]

Which arcanine?

[tired sage]

hisui but i would consider regular

[cyan smelt]

why rilla only have 3 moves

[molten oasis]

That’s a mistake, add wood hammer

I think it got deleted by accident

[cyan smelt]

i need to build a team but maybe i should wait until reg f

[orchid falcon]

i cant wait for the DLC to shake up competetive a bit

i wanna see sm chaos

not lando and flutter every corner i look

[molten oasis]

If you want ti wait go ahead but we still don’t have reg f on showdown for a few weeks

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[molten oasis]

Oh dlc is next week HEHEHE

[molten oasis]

I want torn to disappear so bad but that ain’t happening lol

Can’t wait for reg e 1.2

[orchid falcon]

they aren't leaving anytime soon are they

[molten oasis]

Yea, they ain’t leaving until gen 10

[tired sage]

and even then if flutter is available in gen 10 it’s gonna be there unless it gets powercrept

[molten oasis]

Mane power crept? Funny

[tired sage]

imagine if it was

[cyan smelt]

How's flutter gonna deal with incin

[cyan smelt]

Flutter might start running power gem just for incin lol

[molten oasis]

Specs Flutter actually does like 90% to incin

[mighty stump]

Moonblast still does more if you Tera

Power Gem does the same amount with Specs

[crude oasis]

Hi guys

I’m not doing too great in ranked 5 and 5 lol I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong

[molten oasis]

What’s the team?

[mighty stump]

And format

[crude oasis]

Doubles

[mighty stump]

Feel free to send team

[mighty stump]

• Lack of proper Ice STAB on Chien Pao means your coverage is lacking

• You can just run Choice Band Dragonite if you want Tera Normal. That set works fine but id replace Dragon Claw/Iron Head with Stomping Tantrum to at least be able to hit Gholdengo between Dnite and Chien Pao.

• Chople Berry is meh on Kingambit cause youre not hitting the matchup well anyways.

• Electric Terrain Bundle is meh, You dont need Ice Beam and Freeze-Dry, just Freeze-Dry. Hydro Pump over Water Pulse, Water Pulse is bad.

• Gliscor doesn’t benefit off of Acrobatics since it’s item isnt consumed

• Your Teras need work for Chien-Pao/Bundle/Gliscor

[crude oasis]

I think iron bundle needs to go

[dapper crag]

https://pokepast.es/ba2c43ad7ea3db21 balance team for reg f, thoughts? also super excited for static shiny hunting

[mighty stump]

Can’t give you information regarding the state of Reg F since it’s a metagame that doesn’t exist atm

[mighty stump]

Out of curiosity, do you have their EVs

[dapper crag]

imo gliscor should try and stick to singles, its a really cool mon but its just not viable enough to run in doubles over other ground flying types

like landoT

[crude oasis]

Don’t have him and defiant is running rampant

[chrome knot]

do we think old legendary battle themes will be added as options for online battle themes.

because all the themes are returning

[mighty stump]

Unnecessary comparison between LandoT and Gliscor

[cyan smelt]

I hope they add Volo's theme

[mighty stump]

They do different things

[dapper crag]

i mean yea but if you wanna run something gliscor wants to do you can jsut do it with lando

[mighty stump]

Also your Chien-Pao is wasting EVs

[crude oasis]

Not on a piece of paper, but I know iron bundle is Max special attack, and max speed with speed being plus

[mighty stump]

Try going to pokemon showdown and you can recreate your team EVs there

-comp links

[gentle crag]

Competitive Links

Below are some helpful websites for competitive Pokémon battling.

Damage Calculator

Click here for Pokémon Showdown's damage calculator -- useful for figuring out EV spreads.

Showdown Team Builder

Click here for Pokémon Showdown's team builder tool -- useful for easily composing and viewing teams and movesets.

PokePaste

Click here to share your team composition and moveset with clean formatting.

Pikalytics

Click here for a powerful statistics-based website to imporve your VGC knowledge with its own Teambuilder.

Marriland Team Builder

Click here for this online tool that shows defensive and offensive type coverage of your teams.

Help Command: -comp help

[mighty stump]

2nd link

[dapper crag]

chein pao evs are calc'd around double intimidate parting shot, might not like the evs but dont need full atk investment or speed investment to kill things or to outspeed in TW

[chrome knot]

WILL chien pao see more lo usage

[mighty stump]

…Well it’s not calc’d properly so it’s wasting EVs and I don’t understand what you mean with “Double Intimidate Parting Shot” .Are you saying you’re trying to pick up a KO at -1 or -2?

[dapper crag]

no im saying playing around his evs im wasting going 252 252 and you can check the calcs on showdown fam

i can get more out of the evs investing a little defensively with intimidate parting shot play potential, its not amazing but i like it more than going glass cannon

Pokémon No. 1002: Chien-Pao

Types

Dark/Ice

Abilities

Sword of Ruin

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/120/80/90/65/135

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[mighty stump]

Fundamentally if you have 4 stats invested you’re wasting EVs

[bold geode]

Fam look at it's bulk

[dapper crag]

yes it has no hp and no bulk ik

[bold geode]

No matter what, you're still made of paper mache

[mighty stump]

You’re

What

[dapper crag]

run it, it lives hits if you play it right

[mighty stump]

No I mean

[bold geode]

A gust of wind will kill that bitch

[bright spire]

Its definitely a glass cannon like most ice types

[dapper crag]

okay ive run this set it def can live neutral hits with support

[mighty stump]

I’m not saying you need to not be running bulk? im saying some of your EVs aren’t increasing your stats

[bold geode]

Like in terms of bulk, Chien Pao died because his pillow wasn't comfy enough

[dapper crag]

ic what u mean i thought i calcd it right hto

[bold geode]

But yeah Tofu do be right
3 or 5 stats, never 4

[mighty stump]

Im saying you literally have a bonus stat point waiting to be used

That’s all

[molten oasis]

4 wastes evs

[dapper crag]

i double checked it, when you put points into 5

[crude oasis]

Untitled 1

https://pokepast.es/c7b77a699a602bb6

[bold geode]

[mighty stump]

Yeah just set the 216 to 212 and slap the 4 to some relevant stat

[dapper crag]

okay either im misunderstanding or you didnt see i put evs in 5 stats <-- genuinely confused

[short nebula]

isnt gliscor banned?

[dapper crag]

banned in singles

[mighty stump]

Dude

[short nebula]

oh woops

[mighty stump]

This is from your paste

[bold geode]

Can you not count?

[crude oasis]

Singles it’s so dumb in singles

[molten oasis]

K

[bold geode]

I see 4

[dapper crag]

okay then pokepaste is weird lemme send dif paste

Chien-Pao @ Life Orb
Ability: Sword of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 100 HP / 212 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 188 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Icicle Crash
• Sacred Sword
• Sucker Punch
• Protect

[molten oasis]

Ok

[dapper crag]

thats what i exported from pokepaste before i made paste

[molten oasis]

That’s better

[crude oasis]

Mine team evs

[mighty stump]

Iron Hands is wasting EVs since 248 counts the same as 244 at level 50

AV Hands also wants 252 SpDef instead of HP

Gliscor probably wants to be faster rather than maximum bulk

and my previous points to reference

[dapper crag]

if youre going AV you wanna max the boosts so you should invest atleast 200+ 244/252 preferred

[mighty stump]

?? 200+??

[dapper crag]

200+ a suggestion as in not 200 base but you wanna atleast invest more than 200 or so evs

[mighty stump]

Please be more clear and specific in your information if you would like to help, I’d prefer to keep potential misinformation to a minimum

[dapper crag]

so like 204 if you dont wanna max, do you just wanna argue fam? cause we can take this to dms

okay lol

[mighty stump]

?

[bold geode]

Man

[dapper crag]

like i typed 200+ if you wanna attack me just dm me bro

dont gotta type ab mis information with ur pettiness

[cyan smelt]

it's not pettiness lmao

[mighty stump]

Sigh

[bold geode]

Man just digging a hole

[mighty stump]

Your clear misunderstanding of fundamentals + attempting to chime in with inaccurate information + careless excuses being done in your own team means you need to shut the fuck up

DM me and you’re getting noted

[dapper crag]

bro i type a comment and now youre trying to high road

[mighty stump]

Keep going and you’re also getting noted

[dapper crag]

?? 200 ?? like bruh

okay gn ill note u 2 fam

[mighty stump]

Yeah, I thought so.

[dull ibex]

Alright im turning to the darkside

its mence balance time

[mighty stump]

oh no

anyways

[fallen rivet]

gl

[dull ibex]

🤔

[short nebula]

what us mence balance hahah

[dull ibex]

Salamence Balance

[short nebula]

oh glgl hahah

[marble coral]

drop paste

[chrome knot]

damn whyd you drop it

[dull ibex]

not yet 🙂

[chrome knot]

better pick it back up

[marble coral]

cant, I have a bad back from carrying the weight of the world on my shoulders

[chrome knot]

and then you fall down a set of stairs

[bold geode]

Like Grandad

He was fine, he's Superman

Anyways Nini Emmie

[fallen rivet]

What ev spread for annihilape?

Gonna theorycraft

[mighty stump]

Salance

[autumn vault]

salamence gigachad

[dull ibex]

sounds like a seafood dish

[keen karma]

just spent all this time grinding my dex to have 199/199 entries

and i cant even find the last one

[autumn vault]

Usage Percent
1%

Monthly Rank
#58

Salamences usage rate

[short nebula]

what u need?

[keen karma]

Apparently bm ursaluna counts

[pseudo wigeon]

someone wanna build together for MSS/PCs?

[dapper crag]

Move: Endure

The user will survive attacks made by other Pokemon during this turn with at least 1 HP. This move has a 1/X chance of being successful, where X starts at 1 and triples each time this move is successfully used. X resets to 1 if this move fails, if the user's last move used is not Baneful Bunker, Detect, Endure, King's Shield, Max Guard, Obstruct, Protect, Quick Guard, Silk Trap, Spiky Shield, or Wide Guard, or if it was one of those moves and the user's protection was broken. Fails if the user moves last this turn.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

4

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

Move: Fake Out

Has a 100% chance to make the target flinch. Fails unless it is the user's first turn on the field.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

40

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

3

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[cyan smelt]

i'm probably just gonna use gravity + dark void for the dlc lol

[dull ibex]

Salamence @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 75
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 108 SpA / 4 SpD / 140 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Draco Meteor
• Air Slash
• Tailwind
• Roost
  settled on this spread, Do not remember what it does atm

[cyan smelt]

no protect?

[dull ibex]

guess not

[short nebula]

Why not more speed?

[dull ibex]

"settled on this spread, Do not remember what it does atm"

[cyan smelt]

also how come not rain and hurricane

[autumn vault]

This is awful

[pseudo wigeon]

Someone wanna teambuild in voice chat?
for PC/MSS

[dull ibex]

oh its 151

its gholdengo speed creeping I think?

[dull ibex]

Care to elaborate?

[keen ridge]

would 2 people here be interested in trying some mixed battles with me and my friend?

like real quick

[short nebula]

James beak had a vid about using salamence same set and tera

Evs are diff

[dull ibex]

yeah thats bound to happen

[short nebula]

Salamence @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 188 HP / 84 Def / 236 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Draco Meteor
• Air Slash
• Tailwind
• Roost

[pearl wind]

ghold is 149 iirc, 150 are the base 85s so you outspeed all of them by 1

[autumn vault]

It has tailwind and roost, roost in vgc is not that good, tailwind is fine and then the rest is ok, but you need more spd investment,

[dull ibex]

uh huh

so roost is fine on certain sets

im not sure if this is one

ill have to toy around with it and decide if I want protect over it

it doesnt sound like the set is awful lmao

[grizzled bronze]

it's not, I've seen some roost sets in the current regionals

[dull ibex]

no thank you, im pretty okay with my set

if It struggles ill adjust from there

[autumn vault]

Evs only need a bit of tweaking but thats it

[dull ibex]

🤭

[short nebula]

Where can you search for these stats?

[cyan smelt]

can someone explain the reasoning behind using mence over RM

[dull ibex]

intim

[cyan smelt]

fair

[autumn vault]

Roaring moon doesnt have a good typing for the meta, mence does, mence is more flexible and has intimidate

[dull ibex]

that is just not true

roaring moon is vastly more used

[keen ridge]

nobody for a mixed battle?

[dull ibex]

salamence gets intim and tailwind and some other nice stuff so its niche call for balance

[autumn vault]

Moon also gets tailwind

[dull ibex]

I thought physical would be better then it is tbh

[dull ibex]

right which is why its on most balance teams

sorry not most

but alot of them

[pearl wind]

its just memory after a bit but to search for what speed tier hits what speedstat i recommend the showdown team builder

[autumn vault]

No it doesnt

[dull ibex]

again reacting to ONE sentence

[short nebula]

Thank you!

[gentle crag]

thebroda. has given 1 Gen Rep to .alyz.

[cyan smelt]

i guess moon has powerful stab with knock off and breaking swipe/or acro

[dull ibex]

not it doesnt whaT?

[pearl wind]

i made a speedtier chart for a friend and thats how i remember 85s hit 150 max

[dull ibex]

its not on alot of balance teams because I can very easily prove it is

[autumn vault]

It doesnt show up at a lot of balance teams

[dull ibex]

ok lmao

[cyan smelt]

roaring moon is very popular

[dull ibex]

8.23% #23 on monthly ranking

it shows up on alot of balance teams.

[autumn vault]

Moon is roaring mid

[cyan smelt]

yeah i've seen it with weezing a lot

[dull ibex]

that is a meme

its not mid atm, that could become the case next reg though

[autumn vault]

WolfeyVGC thought is fist

[short nebula]

Oh cool hahaha any chance I can see that?

[dull ibex]

wolfe did not think it first

weezing was used a bit before wolfe

[autumn vault]

But more thanks to him

[dull ibex]

Wolfe did use a nice team though

well yeah but that doesnt mean anything

[autumn vault]

His snorlax team is so good too

[dull ibex]

any team could be popular and get more usage because of wolfe

[pearl wind]

it only has 11 pokémon each so its not very helpful in general, i made it for a draft league game specifically

[dull ibex]

comes with being famous tbh

[short nebula]

Oh okieeeee

[dull ibex]

his lax team is ight

[cyan smelt]

ask dillon, i'm pretty sure he had a whole speed tierlist

[dull ibex]

not my cup of tea personally

[short nebula]

Oh he does?

[cyan smelt]

i think it was dillon

[mighty stump]

Tier list or threshold list

Theres also this

https://victoryroadvgc.com/sv-speed-tiers-2023/

[feral ledge]

Good morning everyone! I made it back to the Ladder! With this team! https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder

[karmic temple]

What team? 🤭

[feral ledge]

https://pokepast.es/881909b99d115bf6

Sorry…

https://pokepast.es/456c577e188e5276

[karmic temple]

You’re wasting evs on the milotic and rillaboom, and I personally would invest in more spdef on the iron hands since you’ve got av on it but it looks good otherwise

Oh and flutter too

For ev spreads you want to split it into 3 or 5 stats

[feral ledge]

I’m running spreads suggested on Pikalytics

[karmic temple]

I’m not sure where on pikalytics you found the spreads for those 3 specific pokemon, but they are not correct and need to be redone because you’re wasting evs.

I’m trying to find my pic that explains it better than just “wasting evs”

[pseudo wigeon]

https://pokepast.es/5f0c58636aef72d4

where should I go from here

[brisk plaza]

Personally I'd rather do tailwind then roost on riaring moon

[brisk plaza]

I guess you could say thd e.vs are not optimal in the current meta? Lol

[pseudo wigeon]

I need help with the last 4

The sets are already optimal

[karmic temple]

They aren’t optimal because they’re wasting evs, in general not just for the current meta

Anyways I can’t find that pic but it’s something about the math needing like 8evs for 1 stat at 50 I think

[brisk plaza]

What? Lol

You can go upto 252 in any one stat

You can only max out two stats

With a little left over lol

Not sure what you mean by 8 e.vs for 1 Stat a 50 lol

From what I see those pokemon do have a full e.v spread just in some unwanted areas

[next stump]

investing in 4 stats will always waste EVs

the EVs invested needs to equal 4 + 8x

[brisk plaza]

Yes as I said not optimal e.v spread lll

But they still have full e.vs none are wasted or not being used just not in the areas the pokemon wants to be competitive

[next stump]

4 EVs are being wasted though, 84SpA is the same as 88 and those 4 extra EVs can go into Sp Def

[brisk plaza]

Yeah that's fair I didn't catch that lol

[pseudo wigeon]

Hello

Asking for someone who has time to teambuild with me?

[next stump]

for VGC or singles

[karmic temple]

Yes thank you for better explaining for me

[gentle crag]

chriscastiel has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[next stump]

good rule of thumb is that investing in 3 or 5 stats is always necessary to not waste EVs

the only time you ever invest in 4 is niche trick room situations

where you want HP/DEF/SPDEF and ATK or SpA but no SPE

so you’re fine wasting the 4EVs

[brisk plaza]

Very fair lol and tbh 4 e.vs isn't earthshattering if wasted but it's always best to be efficient

[pseudo wigeon]

all these chats are the same

[next stump]

?

[pseudo wigeon]

all people do is critize and offer vague suggestions

[next stump]

if someone posts a team and is looking for ways to improve it, then the only way to do that is give constructive feedback

[pseudo wigeon]

all the feedback I've receive is vague

[pseudo wigeon]

https://pokepast.es/5f0c58636aef72d4

ok here, help me

[next stump]

I can’t give advice on two pokemon lol

I don’t really see the purpose of that Roaring Moon set though, what pokemon and matchups is it meant to be strong into

[pseudo wigeon]

like I said

I need help building

it wins all physical mons in the meta, minus urshifu and kingambit

[dapper crag]

Item: Clear Amulet

Prevents other Pokemon from lowering the holder's stat stages.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[next stump]

That’s the kind of set where I genuinely can’t give advice on it because I’ve never seen anything like it. If you’ve used it before and it works for you, then keep it

you need answers into trick room for the team, you need at least one or two special attackers, and you probably want another set up pokémon that clefairy can enable

rillaboom would be a nice pivot option for the team that can deal with urshifu-R, Flutter Mane is a consistent special attacker if you’re looking to just try something out

[pseudo wigeon]

works very well

[next stump]

Torkoal could enable Protosynthesis on both moon and flutter and also give you a TR pokémon, that used to be a popular combo with roaring moon back in regulation B

[pseudo wigeon]

i've thinking of leaning into tr

[next stump]

indeedee/arma could fit on the team, but you’ll want another pokémon that can actually abuse trick room being up

indeedee can’t, clefairy can’t, moon can’t

[pseudo wigeon]

bloodmoon or ursaluna

[next stump]

i’d start with testing ursaluna regular but blood moon could also work, just think you might be over indexing on special damage at that point

[pseudo wigeon]

ok can you provide some spreads?

[brisk plaza]

My current trickroom team ive had the most success with

[next stump]

check pikalytics for spreads, those pokémon are pretty much all 252/252

[pseudo wigeon]

...

[next stump]

i’m not checking pikalytics for you lol

it will take you 2 minutes

[fathom geyser]

https://pokepast.es/4697b472c8d060b6

Thoughts before I build the game

The team in game*

[chrome knot]

pao is scary

[next stump]

is there a reason you’re opting for booster SPE flutter over bundle, and then putting specs on flutter?

or like pixie plate

[fathom geyser]

I really don't like using choice items and bundle would've been too squishy without sash for the cases I'd use it in

I haven't even thought about using pixie plate I didn't know it was available in the first place

[chrome knot]

need arceus to obtain it

@ auction house

[cyan smelt]

fairy feather does the same thing

[fathom geyser]

I already have arceus

[chrome knot]

so go get it from auction house

[fathom geyser]

Just never transfered it

[next stump]

I just think that bundle loses a lot of its power when it doesn’t outspeed stuff like booster roaring moon, scarf urshfiu, etc

but I do see the value in sash against rillaboom

[autumn vault]

He just wants to be unique with using plates insead of the normal items

[fathom geyser]

I bring sneasler plus rillaboom against shifu, iron bundle is mostly for ogerpon woter and other cases where I need water or ice moves.

[fathom geyser]

Okay lol

[next stump]

ah okay, that makes more sense

in that case I think the team is good to build in game

[fathom geyser]

Alrighty

[keen karma]

Protect > roost

[mighty stump]

Ive used this core and its somewhat lacking pressure wise since theres no investment even after boosts

You miss out on KOs

[fathom geyser]

That core seems interesting

Wouldn't it pair well with Dondozo + Tatsu, Gholdengo/Glimmora plus Chien pao?

[mighty stump]

You can’t really 2-2-2 with set up since if they clear Clefairy quickly you’re in an awkward position of either having to switch out what you set up or you have a really weak dondozo

[keen karma]

Anyone have the wells spread

I cant find it

[fathom geyser]

Alright

What about swords dance iron hands? It can benefit from Clefairy

Among us and arcenine on there as well

[mighty stump]

I mean the core is usually Clef/Ghold/Moon

For me that worked fine with standard FWG

I preferred having additional Speed Control so you benefit from Clefairy being KO’d

[fathom geyser]

Icy wind or tailwind?

[mighty stump]

TW is more immediate as options go

[fathom geyser]

gotcha

[pseudo wigeon]

have you ran this exact set?

[fathom geyser]

Can anyone trade me a grookey with egg moves rq?

[grizzled bronze]

arcanine has done it again

[supple ether]

It took 2 days, but we made it to UB tier I just want my Rank Master ribbon is that too much to ask for

[fathom geyser]

It took me a week or so but to be fair I haven't played much

[chrome knot]

mirror herb

[fathom geyser]

Yes bwut I'm lazy tehee

[chrome knot]

unfortunate

[fathom geyser]

Mayhaps

[mighty stump]

Yes lol

[pseudo wigeon]

ok show the paste

[gilded python]

Any good videos that go into breeding and what items to use when making comp babies and all that stuff

Also, is breeding/making comp teams easier than it was in SwSh?

[next stump]

in some ways it is easier

but things like tera shards can be time consuming

[fathom geyser]

I meant to use Clear amulet and not ability shield on Pao why did nobody catch this before me lmao

[dense solar]

Hey all I have a question
I’m trying to organize a small tournament to introduce three of my friends to Showdown, I asked one already and he seems excited.

How do I avoid overexposing them and scaring them away? Do I just introduce them to a single tier or should I handpick 30-ish Pokémon to keep things clean and fun?

[fathom geyser]

What format?

[dense solar]

That’s what I’m trying to decide on

Doubles seems better to me cuz then it’d involve more strategy and less brute force than singles

[fathom geyser]

Singles are probably easier to approach for new players though

Since if they only played single play they will understand it easier

[mighty stump]

Uhm, no thank you.

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to kaspervgc

[pseudo wigeon]

why?

[dense solar]

Yeah you’re probably right

[mighty stump]

I’m not in the habit of openly showing my teams lol, plus I already detailed the members/concept if you just scroll up

[dense solar]

Two of them aren’t even familiar with Pokémon that much, like they probably don’t know what most status effects do

[mighty stump]

Id at least get them up to speed

On what the basics are

If you want a centralised guide, theres VGCguide.com

It might not be singles

But its all relevant regardless

[dense solar]

Oh for sure, I’m not sending them in blind

[mighty stump]

Fundamentally, at least

Then from there, you could restrict it to certain mons as a baseline but you might as well let them go be as free as they want lol

[dense solar]

Im still torn on what to do regarding restrictions. It would be heartbreaking if one of them pulls up with an eeveelution team and the other with the foremost OU staples of the current meta so to speak

[fathom geyser]

Just go up to UU then I guess

[pseudo wigeon]

well clearly u cant build around it

[fathom geyser]

A weaker tier might be good too

[dense solar]

One of them played the base SwSh game and I used to play casual battles with him back in the day so I’m thinking maybe SwSh OU or UU, since I’m not used to those myself to keep things fresh

To maybe keep it a new experience for everyone

[mighty stump]

? Okay

Good luck finding help

I’m not the one that needs it lmao

[patent marsh]

good boi finished another EU regional

[fathom geyser]

Did you win?

[bold geode]

Lmao

Deadass

[next stump]

LOL

[mighty stump]

Lol

Stuttgart is over I take it?

[bold geode]

My only response
#competitive_discussion message

[gentle crag]

aimeeme (ID 334540638567530497)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
IS YOUR TEAM EVEN COMPLETE WITHOUT A 700 HP MAX QUAKING MAX AIRSTREAMING LAND GENIE BREAKING THE META THE WAY POKEMON WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED

Command triggered by dollarmonke. Message from · Sep 3, 2023, 9:58 PM

[onyx charm]

landoT meme my beloved

[dull ibex]

vc?

[mighty stump]

iab

[bold geode]

I'll be working

[dull ibex]

🫡

[supple ether]

I noticed recently a lot more of landorus(genie forme) and bulky Sylveon lead. Any tips for handling it? I was thinking Surging Strike/Tornadus, but water/defensive sylveon tera makes it spooky

[bold geode]

Water tera on what?

[supple ether]

Sylveon

[bold geode]

Oh
What team you using rn?

[dull ibex]

https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1183422576022798357 for whenever

[supple ether]

Uh Ive been bouncing around between a few, I can grab some scs

[bold geode]

Ah ok

[dull ibex]

we will need pastes btw!

ingame screenshots are not very helpful

they lack alot of detail

[bold geode]

Yes pastes are very preferred lol
Tbh anything but the image screenshots

[dull ibex]

🫡 good luck btw chef

I got asked for a paste last night

I can finally post it

https://pokepast.es/d70ab25d89a95b0c

Ignore the team name

[bold geode]

Ew the LO max max Heatran

Lefties gang

[dull ibex]

I should fix that

Heatran @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
Level: 50
Tera Type: grass
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Def / 100 SpA / 60 SpD / 68 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Heat Wave
• Flash Cannon
• Earth Power
• Protect
  back to this set

[bold geode]

Lefties gang

[dull ibex]

I didnt ask /j

The mence set is fine yeah?

[supple ether]

Here's 1 (I dont use it much): https://pokepast.es/44d953d7671e3761
2 (main): https://pokepast.es/3a0731150bbb0040
^^ the exact pase from the teams featured in Cybertron's recent showcases
3 (One Ive been building myself):
Sash Chandelure (willow, TR, Flamethrower/SB) Bulk-Up Annihilape (Dragon Tera, Ice punch/Outrage), Grassy Seed Articuno (Ancient Power, Freezing Glare, TR, Recover), AV Rillaboom (KOff, Glide, FOut, Uturn), Sitrust/Bulky IH (Dpunch, WildCharge), Big Root Sinistcha (Matcha.Gotcha, Scald)

[bold geode]

Probably
Idk Mence shit

[supple ether]

Sorry no pastw for last team

[dull ibex]

that last time is sus to me

[bold geode]

That last one yeah idk we got room for improvement

[dull ibex]

your main team seems fine

[mighty stump]

Lando-I team is fine

[dull ibex]

you should focus on piloting that lando-i team imo

[bold geode]

1st one Hands Goldie with Shifu in back should work imo
2nd one I think Tornadus Shifu or possibly even Rilla Shifu

[dull ibex]

especially if it has a team report

[mighty stump]

If you want I can draft up a proper version of that last concept.

[dull ibex]

oooo

[supple ether]

I like the main team but even with that I dont see the out into Lando/Sylveon lead

[supple ether]

The 3rd team? 👀

[bold geode]

Why don't you draft me a proper brain

[dull ibex]

is it just a tr team?

[mighty stump]

You can scout Sylveon but I don't really see Sylveons.

Sludge Bomb probably deals with Sylveon fine

and Lando-T can'

Lando-T can't touch Lando-I and vice versa

[supple ether]

I've gone like 3/6 on that spexific lead this morning

[mighty stump]

If you hvae Lando-I in position, just focus on teh side slot

[bold geode]

And you mentioned water tera on the Sylveon
If it does that, then Rillaboom should have a field day

[mighty stump]

Don't fuss over Lando-T

Since you can just accomodate for its existence with your back 2 while you tear through one slot

[dull ibex]

I just threw a game pretty heabily

[supple ether]

My issue is Grassy glide is a 2/3 ko and Hyper Voice is the same, but for my entire team. Not to mention Lando-I

[bold geode]

How far? You get good distance?

[bold geode]

Wood Hammer

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-2008738973

[supple ether]

so Tornadus/Rillaboom, Tailwind > Wood hammer?

Er wait no guarantee sylv teras

[bold geode]

Yeah that OR if you feel you can play it in a slower sense, Rilla Shifu

[fathom geyser]

What's the fastest way of getting rid of EV's?

[bold geode]

Cuz Wood Hammer will do good damage either way and you pressure Lando I to tera in a way due to Shifu on the field

[supple ether]

Fresh start mochi, Ogre Oustin reward

[fathom geyser]

I accidentally gave my fluttermane a bunch of attack lmao

[fathom geyser]

How do I get it?

[supple ether]

but lando outspeed me iirc. That and hypervoice I trade urshi/Rilla for landi and Sylv stays alive

Or am I brain derping

[fathom geyser]

nvm I had some

[bold geode]

Sometimes saccing be okay
Plus you have tera for Shifu if it's necessary

[fathom geyser]

Bless the story for forcing me to play that shitty mini game so I didn't have to grind

[forest arrow]

Baiting the Tera with Lando- I and swapping to Rilla could work as well, but still no guarantee on the Tera

[bold geode]

Right that too

Could do Torn Shifu with Rilla in the back

[dull ibex]

will im quitting balance again

[supple ether]

Hmm I'll try it next time ty. That lead's very scary though. There's no good way around it I could think of

[bold geode]

Those are the two ways I see

[gentle crag]

chef_h. has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[bold geode]

Yup NP

[bold geode]

Quitting soon eh

[dull ibex]

?

[forest arrow]

You got it Red just keep trying Balance is fun when you get it down

[dull ibex]

No Im tired of losing

[bold geode]

Skill issue

[dull ibex]

time and a place monke

[bold geode]

How you lose with it bro

[keen karma]

Lando I still havent conpletely grasped its use

[bold geode]

Actually you play it like HO don't you Squidward

[mighty stump]

Its just a big damage button

That's all

[dull ibex]

No I play it like balance

[mighty stump]

Ground coverage is strong atm and it hits Hands/Gholdengo for SE

Which are two points of control for a lot of teams

[forest arrow]

Yeah LO go brr

[bold geode]

Yeah
Seeing as it's Sheer Force it's so free

[bold geode]

Well I'm saying
With balance, do Lefties Heatran plz
Lefties is so much better

[dull ibex]

orb is fine

[bold geode]

Especially with Rillaboom, having Terrain + Lefties stack up

[forest arrow]

Optimize hp to 204 iirc

[bold geode]

The longevity with Lefties is just preferable imo

Also fuck Ogerpon

Ogerpon doodoo water

[forest arrow]

But babe, I love little oger

[bold geode]

Naw

[dull ibex]

monke what are you on about lmao

[bold geode]

It's like
So mid
Dies to Freeze Dry instantly
Ability other than tera kinda requires hard reads to benefit off of
Urshifu just better imo
Yada yada

[mighty stump]

You know you both sound like bums everytime you try and "discuss"

[bold geode]

No you

[dull ibex]

Assumed this was a shitpost so i matched the energy to be clear

[bold geode]

The ONLY time I've used Oger is the Hearthflame on soft TR team where I just needed a fast hard hitter

[bold geode]

No I'm dead serious that's my opinion

[fathom geyser]

Ogerpon is has cute privlidge tho

[dull ibex]

its just really good

I can understand not liking though

I love it as a redirector off support kinda thing

[mighty stump]

Ogerpon Wellspring is good in its own right though

[bold geode]

It's mid compared to other things
Not saying it's complete dogshit

[dull ibex]

im not sure i agree with that, but that is fine

I think water absorb is super valuable on alot of teams, and follow me is super important, and it gets a fair ammount of damage for its good typing

I just think its really really good tbh

[keen karma]

You’ve lost it

[bold geode]

Everytime I've used it, just "wow I could use something else here" lmao

Anyways me work now so tata

[fathom geyser]

Leavanny seems pretty good rn

[supple ether]

I just read my opponent 9 turns out of 9

Read like a fuckin book

[next stump]

always a satisfying feeling

[dull ibex]

the grass/bug?

[fathom geyser]

[next stump]

i earth powered a dragonite slot yesterday that switched into heatran and that made my day

[mighty stump]

Tera reads also go crazy

[supple ether]

MasterRank qualifying match

[fathom geyser]

Good luck

[bright spire]

[supple ether]

MY OPPONENT AND I BOTH FORGOR TR WAS UP

OH THE READ OF THE CENTURY

ITS FREEEEEEEE

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump i wanna join but there is a dog sleeping on me ):

[mighty stump]

You know what to do

c:

[chrome knot]

i do not know what do

[mighty stump]

Someone explain to me what is going on

[karmic temple]

Sand rush Gastrodon go brrr

[mighty stump]

Sand Force but sure

[karmic temple]

Sand force? Whatever

[mighty stump]

Close enough

[karmic temple]

Yeah that

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump lemme in

[willow vault]

What did you do?

[dapper crag]

[Latest Gen] Meowscarada

False Swipe:

• Meowscarada does not learn False Swipe in Generation 9

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[fathom geyser]

I forgor that shifu kills through protect bruhhhh

[fathom geyser]

You won?

Does anyone want to play rn?

[supple ether]

Yeee (but I was 2 battles away, not 1)

[fathom geyser]

Did you win that one?

[supple ether]

[fathom geyser]

No?

[nocturne holly]

what do I cook with

weezing kinda boring lol

[mighty stump]

New team dropping soon can't wait to be done

kekw

[minor fossil]

What's a good 4th move for Chandelure? Rn I'm running Specs with Trick, Overheat and Shadow Ball

[mighty stump]

Heat Wave for spread

[nocturne holly]

chandelure could be fun to cook with 👀

[minor fossil]

What about for non spread?

[nocturne holly]

vgc? If so heat wave is the most common last move

if you don’t want spread (which I don’t why you wouldn’t want it) flamethrower would work

[minor fossil]

in the case of singles I mean

[mighty stump]

...Tera Blast probably or something

But I don't see why Flamethrower would be bad cause you want a non-commital fire STAB anways

[fathom geyser]

Man I really hope they bring back that flying type suplex move that always seemed to be breaking the game

In retrospect it seems pretty cool to just yoink a threat away for one turn to let the partner Mon kill the lesser of the two evils, it's like flinching but weird.

[tired sage]

flying type suplex move…?

[mighty stump]

Flying Press.

[fathom geyser]

No no

It's like fly but it takes the target up in the air as well

Introduced in gen 5, got banned immediately there because it had a glitch where you could make a Mon invulnerable and unable to act, then something similar happened in gen 6 and 7 as well.

In gen 7 it was particularly funny because the Pokémon still could attack.

[nocturne holly]

In the case of singles yea it would be better than heatwave
I was assuming vgc

[dapper crag]

Move: Sky Uppercut

This move can hit a target using Bounce, Fly, or Sky Drop, or is under the effect of Sky Drop.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

85

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Punch

Boosted by Iron Fist.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

Move: Sky Drop

This attack takes the target into the air with the user on the first turn and executes on the second. Pokemon weighing 200 kg or more cannot be lifted. On the first turn, the user and the target avoid all attacks other than Gust, Hurricane, Sky Uppercut, Smack Down, Thousand Arrows, Thunder, and Twister. The user and the target cannot make a move between turns, but the target can select a move to use. This move cannot damage Flying-type Pokemon. Fails on the first turn if the target is an ally, if the target has a substitute, or if the target is using Bounce, Dig, Dive, Fly, Phantom Force, Shadow Force, or Sky Drop.

Type

Flying

Category

Physical

Power

60

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Charge

Has a charging turn.

Contact

Makes contact.

Gravity

Cannot be selected under Gravity.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[tired sage]

it’s sky drop

[nocturne holly]

lol I just found that out too

[tired sage]

i had no clue that move existed

[strange fjord]

in gen 5, there was a glitch where if you used skydrop and gravity was used in the middle of that, the Pokemon that got sky dropped would get stuck and be unable to use a move.

[nocturne holly]

w

[tired sage]

:0

wait what pokemon got sky drop?

[strange fjord]

Bird Pokemon

[tired sage]

yeah…
and naganadel

[fathom geyser]

Sky drop

I hope they bring it back

[supple ether]

Oh yeah, we shaking up the meta with this one

[tired sage]

palafin gets encore?
:0

[supple ether]

Yuh I was surprised too

[mighty stump]

You need max speed for that though

What item would you be using that can benefit off Acrobatics?

[fluid wind]

https://pokepast.es/42e0497d87183b48

[supple ether]

Grassy seed

it's decent, but yeah the speed tiers are awkward

[fallen rivet]

Ngl I’m excited for whimsicott

[chrome knot]

getting this when you want it will be so hard just use sneasler

[keen karma]

I might just stick to armadd so i dont have to grind feathers

[ember linden]

Ew

[supple ether]

My master rank ribbon is only 1 win away

[nocturne holly]

I think I have most of my pc shit sorted out
Gonna be my first build
Can focus more on vgc now

[idle field]

are there any friend groups out there looking for a noob to teach

[keen karma]

probably not any that you will find here

[static ice]

Hey does anyone here have a idea for a Lucario team?

[craggy swan]

tornadus + the new duraladon evolution might be good

[tired sage]

mayhaps…

[nocturne holly]

what are y’all cooking with

Dk what to cook with

[supple ether]

Cook with chandelure, it's my favorite

Or with Galar Weezing

Pinchurchin

Moody Scovillian

[nocturne holly]

I tried weezing-slaking
It boring imo

Chandelure is an option

[supple ether]

Nah nah, misty surge

[nocturne holly]

tf

[supple ether]

[nocturne holly]

real

[supple ether]

Pain split mons

Hmmm...

[nocturne holly]

dude I’m buying a fucking pc and it’s scary as shit
it’s gonna be my first build

[supple ether]

PC building always a good (stressful) time

[nocturne holly]

mine rn is 1.2k

[supple ether]

pog

[nocturne holly]

fr it’s honestly similar to teambuilding lol

[supple ether]

Don't be like me and only use it for 4GB ram required indie games lmao

[nocturne holly]

im getting 32 gb of ram 💪

and I’m new to this shit so it’s even more stressful

I’ll also have to buy windows os key (actually expensive), desk, keyboard and mouse

[tired sage]

eviolite dusclops, haze, wow, tr, pain split

[deep sparrow]

Finally made it back into UltraBall 😂

[fallen rivet]

Monke

[earnest trellis]

Can someone help me figure out the kinks in this team, if I send the pics of the setup?

[fallen rivet]

Pokepaste would be better but sure

[fathom geyser]

Misty explosion

That fairy type suicide move

Or psychic IDC what its called it's funny

[fallen rivet]

Misty explosion yeah

[summer geyser]

How good would bronzong be on a trick room team in this meta?

[fallen garden]

He doesn't do a lot of damage iirc, so he's relegated to support

But I'm not sure it has the tools to keep up with the other options

[ember linden]

Very very mid

[fallen garden]

Indeedee/farigiraf shut down priority, dusclops is stupid bulky with will-o, and Cress can keep its teammate healthy

Bronzong has screens, but I think most trick room teams don't want to waste a turn setting those up when they already have to commit a turn for every Trick Room

[bold geode]

Why are you in my kitchen again?

[ember linden]

Fr get out

[bold geode]

I'm tryna make tacos bitch wtf

[ember linden]

Holy shit I should make a taco team

[summer geyser]

Sounds of Munkidori screeching in the distance whilst he swings from the rafters knocking over pots and pans

[bold geode]

sounds of Rillaboom in the DK bongo game

[summer geyser]

Yeah I wasn’t planning on giving Bronzong screens

[ember linden]

I need the tortilla, seasoned ground beef, cheese, sour cream, lettuce, and diced tomato

[summer geyser]

Annihilape is inside your walls

[fallen garden]

Then what are you running besides TR?

[wintry radish]

What’s the best nature for Tinkaton in competitive?

[summer geyser]

Gyro Ball, Hypnosis and protect

[wintry radish]

I don’t know which to choose

[fallen garden]

Support tinkaton would probably have +Def or +SpDef

[wintry radish]

Careful?

[summer geyser]

Protect + gigaton hammer

[fallen garden]

Or impish

[wintry radish]

Careful Or Impish?

[fallen garden]

I liked running twave, fakeout, hammer, and whatever other coverage move

[summer geyser]

do you want it to be bulky? I’d use it as fast physical attacker.

jolly with 252 in atk and speed

[tired sage]

i’ve run play rough before… but it’s a weird attacker so…

[fallen garden]

Tink isn't that fast

[wintry radish]

Like I wanna know the definitive nature for Tinkaton

[fallen garden]

I don't think there is one

[wintry radish]

So it’s either Careful, Impish Or Jolly

[fallen garden]

I would only give tink enough attack to get the OHKOs against flutter and whoever else is weak to steel

[tired sage]

tink isn’t used much in vgc… maybe the best we can do is look back at reg A or B to see what it ran

[fallen garden]

Water, fighting, fire and electric are super common types right now and tink's Play Rough doesn't have enough sauce to get the kills you need

[summer geyser]

adamant with 252 in HP and Atk seem to be the norm with tinkaton according to pikalytics

[fallen garden]

What can 252Atk Tinkaton OHKO in the current format

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 959: Tinkaton

Types

Fairy/Steel

Abilities

Mold Breaker, Own Tempo, Pickpocket (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/75/77/70/105/94

Total

506

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[tired sage]

yeah uh…

[wintry radish]

So Adamant Is The Best?

[tired sage]

almost nothing…?
but it does get KO’d by plenty of things

[fallen garden]

Exactly.

[wintry radish]

Adamant Is The Best Nature?

[fallen garden]

No

[tired sage]

well who else is on the team?
cause depending on teammates tink can be an okay pivot mon

[fallen garden]

Tinkaton probably won't kill anything outside of bundle, flutter, and chien pao

But fake out and t wave are good support moves and tinkaton has great defensive typing

[tired sage]

not even pao cause almost all pao run sash anyways

[summer geyser]

-2 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Tinkaton Gigaton Hammer vs. 8 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 58-69 (35.1 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[tired sage]

why is tink at -2

[wintry radish]

So Adamant?

[fallen garden]

That's what fake out is for

[summer geyser]

not sure, let me do it again

[tired sage]

also doesn’t lando usually run bulk?
does it even run any bulk into def?

[wintry radish]

May someone please tell me which nature to choose?

[fallen garden]

Careful

[wintry radish]

Ok

[fallen garden]

Then train it to be bulky and give support

[tired sage]

could you tell us the rest of your team…?
or at least tell us whether tink is gonna be a support or attacker…

cause depending on the role it’ll be different natures…

[wintry radish]

With what moves?

And support?

[summer geyser]

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Tinkaton Gigaton Hammer vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 114-135 (59 - 69.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
the EVs for lando I got from smogon so take them with however much salt you want

[fallen garden]

I like fake out, t wave, giga hammer, ice hammer personally.

[wintry radish]

Adamant Or Careful?

[summer geyser]

up to you

[wintry radish]

Ok

[fallen garden]

Trout is saying that even with max attack, tink doesn't do much damage

[summer geyser]

it has own tempo so you could partner it with prankster grimmsnarl to boost tinka's attack with swagger.

and not have to worry about confusion

depends on how badly you want to use tinkaton

[fallen garden]

Are you just trying to build a team around this one guy

[wintry radish]

It’s A Female

[fallen garden]

Take "guy" as gender neutral

[summer geyser]

misgendering tinkaton smh /j

[fallen garden]

Anyway, if you're trying to put tink on a team, give it bulky EVs and the moves I suggested

If you're trying to build a whole team around Tinkaton's massive hammer attack, you can go with the Swagger route

Or even do some silly things with a spicy extract team

[fallen rivet]

Hungry

[summer geyser]

foul play sweep

[bold geode]

Ok have a taco

[bold geode]

Lando also it depends
Some Therian go max max and some do put bulk into it, depends on the teams I guess
As for Incarnate, I haven't seen anything besides max max on that yet

[tired sage]

i see…

[cyan smelt]

tink probably dies to urshifu-water, lando, chi-yu maybe flutter and probably hands

Oh harc too

[fallen rivet]

Thank

[bold geode]

[knotty mirage]

Is it just me or do i see more galarian articuno on ranked now

[wispy spade]

Blame cybertron

Whatever he does is the most used team

[deep sparrow]

You’ll notice a lot of certain teams or mons getting more usage when creators such as Cybertron or Wolfie make videos on them

[knotty mirage]

Oh so they makes video about it that makes sense now

[molten oasis]

Wtf did I just look at

[vapid hedge]

Playing a premier challenge tourney tomorrow, called the organizers, they arent sure if its CTS or OTS, do i just assume its cts or do i bring an open sheet?

[mighty stump]

Bring an OTS just in case.

I'd be surprised if a PC was CTS but it happens

[vapid hedge]

Wait surprised if a pc was cts? Dont u mean surprised if its ots?

[mighty stump]

I just have it in my head events tend to be OTS regardless of scale

-calc 252/1.5

[gentle crag]

Result: 168.000000

[deep sparrow]

Wouldn’t hurt to bring OTS. Just to be safe Lol. How’s it going Tofu? When should we expect your next blog post?

[mighty stump]

Tomorrow

Waiting on my collaborator

And finishing up a few final points

This next one probably will be my basis for my Reg F teams

[deep sparrow]

Sweet. Excited to see whatcha come up with in reg F

[mighty stump]

Im more excited to have regular content I can consume without having to play comp 😭

[next stump]

if it’s for CP it has to be OTS

[nocturne holly]

Collaborator 👀

who is it

[dull ibex]

vc? 👀

[mighty stump]

shure

[dull ibex]

https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1183645238997291008

u good?

[nocturne holly]

dlc in 3 days ☺️

I still haven’t done kita dex

I’m actually slacking

[karmic temple]

Only a few more days until husbando (incineroar) comes back I’m so excited

[swift fractal]

Damn 💀

[south flume]

this might be a stupid question but why arent all pokemon in the teams in #rental_teams level 100? wouldnt that be better?

[swift fractal]

It defaults to normal rules if you’re playing ranked I believe and that means that the stats are changed to be there too 👍

[south flume]

ah alright, makes sense

[keen karma]

do it

it takes like a few hours

depending on if you filled normal dex or not

and its ez af

[mighty stump]

Wrong person...

[dull ibex]

SHIT

no evidence no crime

don't check audit logs

sorry other tofu LMAO

[dull ibex]

anyways yeah

[bold geode]

Y'all still down to do VC?

[dull ibex]

ill be around when ever tofu is back

[bold geode]

Ah

[brisk plaza]

How is all my beautiful pokepeople???

[dull ibex]

I plan on laying down after I finish ACNh

[bold geode]

💀

[dull ibex]

what?

[bold geode]

Laying down ......

[dull ibex]

yeah? im a little tired

[brisk plaza]

You never truly finish ACNH lololol

[dull ibex]

I mean yes you do

but I meant for the day

[bold geode]

(I'm fuckin around completely)

[brisk plaza]

You can literally play it forever tbh lol

[mighty stump]

You should be far funnier to do this

[dull ibex]

thats any game tbf

[brisk plaza]

I guess but at least with acnh it's the point of the game too kinda play it off and on forever lol

[dull ibex]

ill probably take another 3 year break

[bold geode]

No

[brisk plaza]

I took a 2 year and came back like last month I feel this lol

[dull ibex]

putting another 85 hours in after years is wild

[brisk plaza]

That's ac for ya lol

Like D2 its a game you can always come back and lose hours too lol

[dull ibex]

D2?

[brisk plaza]

Destiny 2 lol

[dull ibex]

I don't think ill ever go back to that shitshow tbh

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump

[brisk plaza]

I do not blame you at all my friend

[dull ibex]

d1 clears

I miss destiny 1

[mighty stump]

Sup

[chrome knot]

i got covid :(

[brisk plaza]

I've just put so much time money effort and love into my character I godda keep it up lol bit I agree I miss D1

[dull ibex]

ill probably slow down with animal crossing after getting 5 stars and putting up a dream code

[brisk plaza]

That makes sense lol do you has the dlc?

[dull ibex]

nope

[keen karma]

yall always vcing when im not around

has to be timed 😭

[dull ibex]

it is

we all hate you specifically

[keen karma]

damn

i spent like 3 hours trying to breed a 5iv 0 attack charcadet last night

still didnt get it

[brisk plaza]

I'm so sorry breeding hates me too lol

[keen karma]

breeding sucks

this gen

[mighty stump]

Why would you even masuda if you didn't have to

Outbreaks/iso is far more efficient

[bold geode]

[chrome knot]

:(

[keen karma]

you can force charcadet outbreaks?

[mighty stump]

"/ ISO"

[keen karma]

like sandwiches you mean?

[mighty stump]

Yea

[keen karma]

i mean im trying to get 0 attack

im not shiny hunting

[mighty stump]

You know you can lock stats

just get a 0 iv attack ditto

[keen karma]

thats what i have

[bold geode]

Sick bestie

[mighty stump]

Then how are you failing to get a 5IV 0 ATK if you have a 0ATK Ditto

[keen karma]

i keep rolling badly

[mighty stump]

You can lock stats

[keen karma]

i keep missing one stat

[mighty stump]

Do

Are you misunderstanding what i'm saying

[keen karma]

i lock power item on ditto and knot on charcadet

[mighty stump]

Then how are you failing 0 Atk if the Ditto is 0 Atk

Its not even rolling

[keen karma]

oh i figured it out now

[chrome knot]

[keen karma]

was using the wrong charcadet

[vapid hedge]

Competing for the first time ever tomorrow, nerves are killing me, any good advice to stay out of my own head?

[mighty stump]

Focus on your own gameplan and don't psych yourself out by focusing on who you're playing

[vapid hedge]

Thx❤️

[gentle crag]

cslovebubbles has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[next stump]

nerves are always present for me before a tournament, just take deep breaths and do something that relaxes you (listen to music, bring a snack, etc.)

make friends with people in your local community because those are the people you’re going to see all the time and you want their support

[mighty stump]

And also find something to do other than just the regional afterwards, so you don't feel bad if you decide to retire early

Sightsee, a restaurant, or whatnot

[keen karma]

when dlc comes out im gonna be the most nervous i possibly can be

[karmic temple]

Why

[molten oasis]

Thursday I believe

In 3 days on the 14th

[chrome knot]

wednesday night

[molten oasis]

Wdym Wednesday night

[chrome knot]

for EST atleast it releases wednesday @8pm

[karmic temple]

Right as I get off work 🫣 what a slay

[keen karma]

charlotte

its like the 21st iirc

[keen karma]

are there expensive cards in the packs at regionals btw

[next stump]

you only get packs if you place really high

[keen karma]

what.

what do you get for free then?

well at the cost of paying 75

[molten oasis]

9 pm for me yippee

[chrome knot]

youre EST+1?

[keen karma]

8pm for me!

[next stump]

you get a Promo card and a playmat

the promo card ranges from like $10-50 depending on what it is, the mat is usually like $15-40

that’s if you put in the effort to resell the stuff

[keen karma]

i c

[chrome knot]

torontos is going for 50+ from what ive seen

[bright spire]

[chrome knot]

ig bc its tera dark charizard

the one prog has of chien pao is better imo

[vague whale]

Who do yall think is gonna be a better intimidator? Incineroar or hisuian arcanine?

[chrome knot]

incine

[dull ibex]

incin easily

[supple ether]

Room service, competitive Milotic

do with that what you will

[mighty stump]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-trash-bin-bye-garbage-done-gif-17363404