competitive_discussion

[fluid wind]

idk any of them names but i think the 2nd dude is gonna win lol

[mellow barn]

I like the Dodonzo set

[mighty stump]

Special sets?

[strange sorrel]

Does anyone have tips for using blood moon ursa on a non-hard TR team? Right now I have at at modest 31 speed IVs/0 EVs since I have both TR and tailwind on my team. It's speed tier is really weird since it naturally outspeeds hands so i've gotten screwed over in TR if they don't have any speed on hands

[mighty stump]

Playing in with Tailwind isnt it

[strange sorrel]

Yeah. The intention wasn't really to have it outspeeding anything under TW. It's just the I have a TW mode which has 3 fast mons

I guess it's like two disparate ideas thrown together

[mighty stump]

Probably not the best way to structure it

The only non TR mode I use is Clef-Bloodmoon

[strange sorrel]

What BM set is it?

[mighty stump]

Throat Spray, personally

Oh

A Jamie Boyt team

[mellow barn]

Like if players are running something different then meta

[mighty stump]

Well, now I guess

Jamie Boyt and Albert Bos

[mellow barn]

Galarian Articuno is interesting choice. Can buff itself, recover and has signature attack. Nice

[shrewd scarab]

TOFUUUUU!!!!

[mighty stump]

Hello Monk c:

[shrewd scarab]

I need good team suggestions for comp

[mighty stump]

Whaddaya think youre looking for

[shrewd scarab]

Now that I’m on vacation for the winter I’m gonna start doing vgc again

Anything with Sinistcha?

[mellow barn]

Btw Tofu, thank you for the sheet. It really helps me to see what goes well and what doesn't

[mighty stump]

Well if you want something unique I released a blogpost with a SInistcha team

[mellow barn]

You got a blog? 👀

[shrewd scarab]

How can I find this? I’m interested

[mighty stump]

I do

[mellow barn]

[gentle crag]

woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)

[Message](#rental_teams message) in #rental_teams
Name: ???
Format: VGC Regulation E
Code: H0PVVB
Paste: https://pokepast.es/848051b05919ed19
Notes: https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/BreakingSpirits!
Huge thanks to @lofty tartan for getting the Pokemon together

Command triggered by woodtofu. Message from · Nov 6, 2023, 6:19 PM

[mellow barn]

May I take a peek?

[mighty stump]

I have rentals in #rental_teams and other flavour posts on my twitter

[mellow barn]

That is now bookmarked

[mighty stump]

Otherwise Monk

[shrewd scarab]

You’re the best! Thank you tofu

[gentle crag]

monk6616 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

As a template for meta teams

You can either go FWG (H-Arc Boom Urshifu-Water) and go for Torn HO or Balance with Roaring Moon

Or you go Lando-T/Iron Hands balance

[shrewd scarab]

Before I stopped I was using Bubu teams

[mighty stump]

Currently on the rise in usage would be stuff like Kingambit

and Amoonguss

[shrewd scarab]

Nice! I have both those fully built already

[mighty stump]

Annihilape is in a tricky spot at the moment

Defiant is great

But to get real value out of it is difficult

Cause of how Rage Fist goes

[shrewd scarab]

I had a feeling they wouldn’t let annihilape reign for long

[mellow barn]

Covert Clock stops priority right?

[mighty stump]

According to Yotam it can still be good

[dapper crag]

Item: Covert Cloak

Holder is not affected by the secondary effect of another Pokemon's attack.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[mighty stump]

So no it doesn't stop priority

[mellow barn]

Or was it psyhic surge?

[mighty stump]

Since priority isn't a secondary effect

[mellow barn]

Oh gotcha

[mighty stump]

Psychic Surge/Armor Tail/Dazzling/Queenly Majesty

and Quick Guard, for something non-ability tied

[shrewd scarab]

Weird seeing Grimm without screens

[feral ledge]

I have just gotten so frustrated… I reached Max Level for the first time ever earlier this week but ever since then I haven’t won a battle. The team I made Max level with lost several times and new Pokémon I add I just keep losing… 😞😞😞 I know it’s still early for me and everything but I feel like I just want to give up…

[shrewd scarab]

Once you get into Max the teams kinda change up a bit from what the people use to climb the ladder

[feral ledge]

Sorry I just had to get that off my chest, I needed that for a second cause I’ve been holding it in

[shrewd scarab]

Usually when people hit max they have to make a few team adjustments

Don’t give up either. Those loses are learning experiences

[mellow barn]

Hey, loosing does happen. But you shouldn't give up. Learning and battling helps making you better player. Same as loosing as well.

[mighty stump]

It';s fine. Congratulations on hitting Master Ball. Now the real game begins

[shrewd scarab]

I never lose I only win or learn

[mellow barn]

Yeah that's great you got to Master Ball!

[cyan smelt]

congrats on getting to master ball

[shrewd scarab]

I climbed the ladder during reg C with a Noivern Boomburst team. Once I hit masterball that team was getting wrecked so I had to adjust to a BuBu team and from there I started doing really well

[mighty stump]

Monk pls appreciate the custom Pokedex pictures I edited

The Lando-T one I had to take an in-game picture and overlay

[mellow barn]

That Salamance set is interesting 🤔

[feral ledge]

I think the thing that bothers me the most is that I haven’t won a single battle since making Masterball. This was the team that got me to Masterball

https://pokepast.es/1990de945e500b4e

[shrewd scarab]

lol I didn’t even notice until you said it

[mighty stump]

That's because you tend to meet actual meta-game teams where certain matchups need to be accounted for always when teambuilding

[mellow barn]

☝️

[mighty stump]

Some of these sets are totally fine, it's just they definitely need a bit of help

and certain mon choices are going to make you work harder than you need to

Or need dedicated teambuilding to actually function properly

[feral ledge]

And thank you everyone for being so supportive and letting me vent! I truly appreciate it

[mighty stump]

From this alone everything barring Zapdos you lose to Urshifu-Water/Tornadus which is one of the main leads you need to be able to account for

Iron Hands is also definitely a worry

[mellow barn]

Tofu, would you be interested later when you have time for a friendly match?
I need to see if the possible ladder team I have will cut it.

[mighty stump]

I'm sorry, I don't do friendlies

But I do recommend the Bo3 ladder on Showdown

[mellow barn]

Gotcha, thank you for recommendation 👍

[mighty stump]

The reason I don't do friendlies is that I have had some bad results whether win/lose come out of it

and the knock-on consequences have been too much of a headache to want to deal with

So it's a blanket rule

[mellow barn]

That is very understandable

[mighty stump]

You are however, more than welcome to send me a paste of the team and I can pick through it

[gloomy crescent]

Muffeled by eating hew io everyene

[mellow barn]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lx2q_B2I2_akSlKNigFFBHeBDh_Dqir48J2rzAt8Rhc/edit?usp=sharing
Here is the doc and the team. Also some notes I have made.

[feral ledge]

https://pokepast.es/89ca3b74dac13f25

This is where I am at currently with my new team, I’m thinking about sucking it up and adding Fluttermane to it

[mellow barn]

Looks good, Gholdengo is also valid option too.

[feral ledge]

I have been considering it, I may go with Choice Specs with Make it Rain and Steel Beam set over Life orb or leftovers

[mighty stump]

Ill look at over in a bit, I need to go to the gym

But I have it open

[mellow barn]

Thank you. Also have fun gaining gains 👍

[gentle crag]

theipex has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

Tera Normal E-Speed, Protect ove Ice Punch, might as well complete FWG and run Rillaboom with Miracle Seed which can be a great damage dealer next to Chien Pao

[gloomy crescent]

Did that person get thier team done in the end

[mighty stump]

Defensive Tera on Iron Hands

[gloomy crescent]

What would that be

I want to know

[mighty stump]

? Grass/Water/Fire

[mellow barn]

Water or Grass usually

[gloomy crescent]

I was just wondering also you said earlier iam inexperienced

[mighty stump]

No worries

[mellow barn]

Make it Rain might be good since it's hits both foes. And if need be, it can be switched in back.

[gloomy crescent]

Ive seen people use hcinine in thier teams alot recently

[mellow barn]

Hisuian Arcanine is the champ!

[feral ledge]

I agree with a lot of the feedback with the exception of Rillaboom… I don’t like it and think it’s overrated. When I experimented with Rillaboom and used it, it got OHKO’d each time before I could use it aside from fake out…

And I did use the set recommended by game8 . co

[mellow barn]

Oh... no...

[mellow barn]

I would suggest not using that.

Pikalytics is the way to go.

[gloomy crescent]

Um game8 tofu dont look

Delete that before tofu sees

[feral ledge]

Well y’all did say to learn from my mistakes, so this is just another lesson

[mellow barn]

👍

[karmic temple]

That would be the problem for your rillaboom. Game8 only does max/max states I rarely see them do an optimized ev spread

[gloomy crescent]

@feral ledge delete the game8 thing tofu will go mad

[mellow barn]

V don't worry about it.

[gloomy crescent]

OK

[mellow barn]

It's not like saying the site is bannable offence

[feral ledge]

I’m sure Tofu will understand that I am new to the server and y’all recommended a better site which I’m on right now

[mellow barn]

But yeah Game8 not a good site for EV spreads

[feral ledge]

Im already seeing that, this looks really good, working on the EV changes and other tweaks and I’ll share out my new team soon

[karmic temple]

If you haven’t already, check out pikalytics or munchstats to check out common ev spreads

Those ones are typically calc’d for things

[true niche]

i am just so over the pachirisu flashback

[feral ledge]

https://pokepast.es/788c39dbb32288e0

I followed the top or 2nd spreads making minor tweaks here and there!

[mellow barn]

Alright! It looks good! However one slight change I would suggest.
Change Defiant to Prankster on Tornadus
You get lot more value out of it.

[feral ledge]

Ahhh I thought I changed that back lol it’s supposed to be prankster lol

[mellow barn]

And perhaps change Tera to something defensive like Ghost or Steel

So Wild Charge or Rock Slide will not kill it.

[feral ledge]

Since Tornadus is a lead Pokémon that doesn’t do much outside of tailwind, and other stuff, I never really saw the value in tera-ing it 😬

I only really want to Tera my main attackers

[mellow barn]

I would disagree, but I understand if you see it that way.
While Tornadus can set up Tailwind, it can also use it's Taunt and Rain Dance to disrupt opponents.
And since Bleakwind Storm has 90% hit rate, while doing good enough damage there isn't reason to Tera for it.
And there are more faster pokemons than Tornadus, if you just set up Tailwind and just let it die, you have lost one more pokemon
on your team with potential damage dealing and support.

But I get it and if you feel like it doesn't require different tera, that's fine. I just bring my own view on this.
Hope it works out with you 👍

[dapper crag]

Move: Bleakwind Storm

Has a 30% chance to lower the target's Speed by 1 stage. If the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, this move does not check accuracy. If this move is used against a Pokemon holding Utility Umbrella, this move's accuracy remains at 80%.

Type

Flying

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

80

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[charred saddle]

its 80 not 90

[mellow barn]

Oh sorry! My bad!

[charred saddle]

while yes theres torn isnt the bulkiest mon, some set with sp atk investment can deal so much dmg, especially with sharp beak set

but theres a lot too drop when using it

which makes it more harder to use

[deep sparrow]

@marble coral if that was you in Lum Berry. Congrats on 4th! I couldn’t stay awake Lol.

[feral ledge]

Oh I totally see your point, I use all of its moves too… I guess I just have to look at more situations where I could Tera it

[charred saddle]

yep

[karmic temple]

You’ll want to invest more spd into hands if you plan on using AV. A good spread that’s in the server is 156 hp 100 atk 252 spd

You maximize the AV and still deal good damage and have some bulk too

[mighty stump]

?

???

No?

[mighty stump]

Tornadus definitely is there to bring things in range for your otehr damage dealers and to enable them

Being actively aware of how much damage your mons are dealing and the thresholds you want to be able to hit when trying to take KOs is very key in being able to analyse your board states

@mellow barn I notice you tend to only click Head smash on Arcanine and not whatever the 4th move seems to be on your PASRS

[mellow barn]

That would be either Extreme Speed or Tera Blast

[mighty stump]

Tera Blast then

Why Head Smash, no Rock Slide?

[mellow barn]

Mostly for it's power and reliability. But I admit, there are times where Slides would have been better.

[nocturne holly]

Rock slide is a staple on harc

[mighty stump]

It does have a miss chance, power and reliability might be better clicking Flare Blitz, but also another reference to just being able to judge your thresholds/proactively chipping

And identifying if you need to pick up that key KO ASAP

[mellow barn]

So that is one potential change then.

[mighty stump]

And just the trade-off losing 50% of your HP

Like is it really worth it

[mellow barn]

Not really

[karmic temple]

4hp on ogre was clutch

If anyone else is watching stream

[mellow barn]

I am

[karmic temple]

I feel like if he would’ve spiked shielded first he might’ve come out with a win

At least put the hands in a better ko position

[charred saddle]

which stream is going on rn?

[mellow barn]

Gdansk

[charred saddle]

ok

[feral ledge]

Thank you everyone for your support and encouragement! I just put my new team through showdown and won 4 out of 5! I’m now ready to build in Violet and go through the ladder!

[charred saddle]

goodluck

[mellow barn]

[mellow barn]

Any other noticable thing from the team or just switching the Rock Slide?

[mighty stump]

Well, its a fairly standard team right. The other question I have is do you have trouble setting up with Gholdengo and what item it runs

Cause the paste doesnt giive me your team paste

[mellow barn]

It's running Life Orb and most trouble I have is indeed setting and switching.

[mighty stump]

Well I might as well pass you my own team that ive been trying out which is basically the same thing

https://pokepast.es/457b5a0ad41c296f

[mellow barn]

https://pokepast.es/87202fbab78b53b1
Here is mine detailed one

Oh... that's interesting one

[charred saddle]

psychic fangs for ursh?

[mighty stump]

No value from Tera Blast

On the off chance I have to deal with screens and yes

Urshifu

but not really, more Hands

[charred saddle]

oh right hands too

[mighty stump]

Tera Poison is also gaining popularity

[mellow barn]

Maybe Normal Tera Harc with Extreme Speed and some other move?

[charred saddle]

hmm yeah that make sense, and tera blast fairy burns the tera option

[mighty stump]

Nope, im keeping Ghost to be able to pressure in front of Fake Out and gain momentum, while Extreme Speed removes one of Ghost types issues in being hurt by Sucker Punch

[mellow barn]

Oh true!

[mighty stump]

Tera Grass Boom is also deliberate

[mellow barn]

https://pokepast.es/59d560e74247937d
Switched around things, probably need to check damage calculator about the EVs

[mighty stump]

Ngl I feel the minimal investment on Gholdengo offensively kinda hurts, but one of the main points im bringing up is that Clefairy lets me run a more offensively oriented Gholdengo

And also somewhat improves the TR matchup with After You

To give somehting a try

You don't necessarily need to change the Arcanine set around

but I do recommend a more offensive Boom as well if youre running Miracle Seed

like might as well

Rillaboom @ Miracle Seed
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Grassy Glide
• Wood Hammer
• High Horsepower
• Fake Out

This one is mine

[mellow barn]

That is true, I justify because of Nasty Plot and Life Orb increase damage already to be able to run more bulky Gholdengo.
Rilla could be more offencive true, since I feel like it doesn't do much damage. And that High Horsepower is tempting.

[mighty stump]

U-Turn to me is only for more defensive Boom sets imo

You;'re trying to maximise here with Glide damage

[charred saddle]

is there a chance of dropping FO for protect?

for seed set

[mighty stump]

FO feels too good irregardless of which set you run imo

To enable your side slot

Like its definitely a valid idea

But theres also the presence of Fake Out alone making your opponent play differently

[mellow barn]

Should I switch Urshifu for more protection or do you think it has enough power behind it to be run with Scarf?

[mighty stump]

Since you have Rain Dance you can Scarf right? So it makes you less dependant on Tw

[mellow barn]

Like detect and Mystic Water

That's why I like water Tera to maximise damage

[mighty stump]

Also valid

Its preference

Scarfshifu can pin very well

[charred saddle]

just got crushed by scarfed tera poison poison jab water shifu

[mellow barn]

Oh true...

Hm... I do like Aqua Jet, but Poison Jab give coverage

[charred saddle]

the prevalence of grass type, and fairy makes poison kinda nice

[mellow barn]

Gonna do quick test

[charred saddle]

yeah actually i might like psychic fangs more than tera blast fairy now hmm

[orchid falcon]

was kyogre good in restricted?

[next stump]

yes

[charred saddle]

tera water waterspout in rain

scarfed ofc

and then tailwind from torn

timid 252 max sp atk speed

[orchid falcon]

i think im gonna pair it with waterpon

i remember using that on my showdown team and it didnt do too bad

[mellow barn]

I am on loosing streak

[dapper crag]

Back for more ranked games

This is such a dynamic format I like it

[gloomy crescent]

If ultra beasts return

Would they be good in competitive

[next stump]

happens to everyone 🙏

[mellow barn]

I know

[gloomy crescent]

Same

Im just doing swsh now

Not right now

[dapper crag]

I'm on a winning streak myself

but nothing to brag about, starting in beginner tier lol

Should I change a Mon on my team I never bring ?

[charred saddle]

never bring =/= useless, it can definitely still pressure by drafting picks / useful in some other certain scenarios

but it still depends on your team. if you feel that the spot can be filled with other better mon then go ahead

[dapper crag]

oh no the mon is very good, just doesn't fit so far far but it's just 10 games

Not too too sure where the useless part came from

[next stump]

What pokémon is it? and what’s your team?

[dapper crag]

Landorus Urshifu Tornadus Iron Hands Flutter Mane Ogerpon

It's Ogerpon I don't bring much so far

[next stump]

Oger-Wellspring?

[dapper crag]

oh no

The Heartflame

I have the Water bear already

Already have two Flying overlap, don't want too much of it

[next stump]

yeah I don’t see a ton of value in Oger-H on that team

you have Rillaboom answers already, you have damage into water types

[dapper crag]

I want Fire/Grass typing

it's good types, Ogerpon is 1 of 2 Mons with this role

[charred saddle]

i feel heatran fits it more

[next stump]

don’t think about pokémon in that way IMO

you don’t need a perfect type chart on your team

it helps certainly, but you have to seriously look at how you’re using the pokemon and what matchups they are relevant in

[mighty stump]

Sometimes you can just double down on the type overlap if you have a ton of power behind it

[dapper crag]

What don't think about types ?

That sounds wild lol

[mighty stump]

You're misunderstanding Dillon lol

You;re weighing the type chart TOO heavily here relative to suggested options

[dapper crag]

only option suggested is Heatran

which keeps Fire adds Steel

What about Amoonguss over Ogerpon ?

Looking at the VGC stream and it's used by a lot of pro players

[mellow barn]

Tested 3 matches with new team. Yeah Rillaboom doesn't feel good and feels weak without AV. Probably switch to Wellspring Ogerpon

[charred saddle]

seed set and AV set for me play differently

[next stump]

that definitely works, they function very differently but amoonguss can be great

[charred saddle]

AV set is there to round things up better with the sp def bulk and threatening like flutters. Seed set can easily sweep when positioned right

with grassy glide grassy terrain boosted and seed

[mellow barn]

Probably I just play bad

[dapper crag]

shouldn't you click Wood Hammer for more damage ?

[charred saddle]

prio sometimes helps. but yes wood hammer in certain scenarios

since seed set usually brought wood hammer and grassy glide

[forest arrow]

In some situations Glide does enough for KO on seed set

especially if Tera grass

[charred saddle]

eh idk about tera grass

[karmic temple]

Debating buying scarlet for the sole fact of shiny hunting the paradoxes 😭

[dapper crag]

Wouldn't you want to max out your damage potential ?

[forest arrow]

That’s the idea yes

[dapper crag]

Seems pretty self-explanatory

[forest arrow]

I personally am a AV user with Tera Fire but offensive rilla is great too

really depends on your team

[charred saddle]

ig. but i just still think fire tera/water tera still benefits the seed set

[next stump]

I think miracle seed with tera fire makes some sense, it allows you to sit in front of things like Heatran easier. But overall I think Grass tera is better

it helps you pick up OHKOs onto flutter/urshifu/etc.

[forest arrow]

They definitely benefit seed set for sure, I’m just saying on offensive I usually see grass

[dapper crag]

Yeah Tera Grass for offensive grass guy just makes sense

I might be using it

Not sure if Amoonguss or grass guy

[forest arrow]

Just depends if you want more support from Amoongus or Offense from rilla, since you have hands im assuming you have AV on it, you could run offensive rilla

[dapper crag]

gonna go with Amoonguss

Rillaboom seems meh with my team

doesn't synergize much with Landorus/Tornadus

Iron Hands is already taking item it wants too

[forest arrow]

Yeah and they’re both FO pressure

[dapper crag]

grassy terrain bad with earthquake

[charred saddle]

its EQ lando?

[dapper crag]

a shame I like grass guy

[dapper crag]

it has 4 moves but yeah it has EQ

I assume is Earthquake acronym lol

[mellow barn]

Also gonna switch my Urshifu back to Water tera and Aqua Jet. It usually don't survive long in the field. Speaking of Choice Scarf one.

[next stump]

aqua jet is nice for certain situations

outspeeds tornadus tailwind if they’re low, can do damage under trick room, etc.

[dapper crag]

Yeah I picked Aqua Jet on my Urshifu

[mellow barn]

I do not trust the Monkey anymore (Rillaboom) I trust on Fiona (Ogerpon) and the Ice Cat (Chien Pao)

[bold geode]

You don't trust monkey? Wtf

[silk stream]

Does anyone use Dark Urshu. If so, how do you play it. What's your team

[bold geode]

Usually when I used it, it was just a usual Choice Band set or Black Glasses
Wasn't any difference except with Black Glasses, I had protect over U turn. Rest is same though, Ghost tera, Wicked Blow/Sucker/CC

[silk stream]

What is just played the same as water urshu then

Just a different typing. And the ability to ignore fake out and such with ghost tera

[mellow barn]

Rillaboom yeah, its good and all but personally I can't get it to work for me.

[bold geode]

Damn

[nocturne holly]

What’s poppin

😎

[nocturne holly]

Darkshifu is real nice
I usually run scarf
But it can do so much damage and move fast
It’s pretty similar to watershifu
But different typings so be weary

wicked blow does so much damage

[silk stream]

It's the one I first chose when doing my playthru

Thought he was wayyy cooler. But never saw it get used competitively

I'll give it a go tho, can I ask what u normally run for evs

[nocturne holly]

it is cooler
I like the stance way more than watershifu

[bold geode]

I just did max speed adamant 220 with 36 in Defense

Although more efficient spreads can probably be found
But that's a starting point

[nocturne holly]

Urshifu @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 44 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 204 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Wicked Blow
• Close Combat
• Sucker Punch
• U-turn

This is the scarf spread I run

[silk stream]

Neato. I'll give it a go and see what I end up doing with it. Cheers

[gentle crag]

mas.n has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[nocturne holly]

But yea like monke said that’s a solid starting point

[bold geode]

Yup

[silk stream]

Tempted to make it more bulky

Instead of speed tieing other urshus. Let it survive hits instead

[nocturne holly]

I have a bulky watershifu spread that drago made if you wanted to try it with darkshifu

[silk stream]

Actually would love to see that, if u don't mind. Cheers

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1700931033:R>.

[bold geode]

Just adjust
First see what hits you fall to
And which of those might be livable
Then calc for it
Like with Darkshifu
Moonblast from Mane is just an OHKO so don't calc for that
But like a DP can be calced for

[nocturne holly]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 132 HP / 108 Atk / 4 Def / 52 SpD / 212 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Aqua Jet
• Close Combat
• U-turn

[bold geode]

For example

[nocturne holly]

dp shouldn’t be too hard to live

[nocturne holly]

But yea play a few games and see what you need to live and build off of it

[silk stream]

Perfect. Ty

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1700931033:R>.

[silk stream]

Just somewhere to stsrt. And test stuff on showdown haha. Ty for the help tho u two

[dapper crag]

Yes, they have same stats

only difference is the prio move and typing, but they are very similar imo

[dapper crag]

I made it to Ultra Ball

[pearl wind]

[dapper crag]

I bring Amoonguss more instead of Ogerpon

[next stump]

congrats!

[dapper crag]

now it's Tornadus i never bring much

but not as bad as Ogerpon

Is it okay to bring Tornadus but not lead it ? I feel like it's only good if you lead it

[nocturne holly]

What’s the team? The one from yesterday?

[dapper crag]

I just changed Ogerpon for Amoonguss

[nocturne holly]

Amoonguss fucks everyone

[dapper crag]

It's nice when they try to reverse speed order

And Spore not being limited 1 at a time like on Smogon is insane

[nocturne holly]

It can be great depending on the matchup

[near crag]

is it brute bonnet viable on the current meta?

[dapper crag]

I'm tempted to cut Urshifu and Amoonguss for the Water Ogerpon and open up 1 slot on my team, Ogerpon gets Follow Me didn't see that

[dapper crag]

There is a place for it, been testing it since yesterday.

[golden sentinel]

Hi question
Is this the channel where I can ask for team recommendations?

[dapper crag]

Yeah

You can use the rental_teams one too but don't pick all of them, some are just fun and not very good (especially the last few ones)

[golden sentinel]

Ok this is the thing I'm doing a ribbon master, finally reached the switch games after 2 months
My ribbon master is garchomp and I am now facing what I think is the hardest ribbon the master ball rank one
I was wondering if someone could recommend me a team around scale shot dice garchomp for ranked singles

Cus I'm not very good and doubles

[dapper crag]

Idea would be to win 1 game with Garchomp in the team

You don't even need to bring out Garchomp at the game

[mighty stump]

Just slap Garchomp on a team +5 metaslavers

[dapper crag]

You only need to win 1 game with Garchomp in the team you play a game with

It's a pick 4 out of 6 type of game

Ima DM the things you gotta do to get there

[golden sentinel]

Hmm kinda wanted to bring him along the way for sentimental value but if he's not that viable what would be the best try hard meta slave team to reach master ball on singles?

[chrome knot]

what about cramorant

[mighty stump]

Just slap Cramorant on a team +5 metaslavers

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 845: Cramorant

Types

Flying/Water

Abilities

Gulp Missile

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/85/55/85/95/85

Total

475

Other Formes

Cramorant-Gulping, Cramorant-Gorging

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[chrome knot]

holy shit it SUCKS

[mighty stump]

Gulp Missile is funny though

[golden sentinel]

Shooting a Pikachu is fun

[golden sentinel]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

countpeperon has given 1 Gen Rep to jaylsp

[keen karma]

Garchomp is meta tho

[dapper crag]

DMed you, there is another way

[dapper crag]

Not really, it's not a bad Mon but clearly not shining as much as Reg A/B

[keen karma]

It checks all of the annoying mons for me

[golden sentinel]

I don't have any new DMs

[keen karma]

Ive been using it and did p good in some limitless tourneys with it

Like really good matchups

[dapper crag]

sent you friend request too

[golden sentinel]

If you have any team for ranked singles using him would appreciate if you share them with me

[golden sentinel]

Give me a sec

[keen karma]

?

[dapper crag]

I sent you an easier solution

[golden sentinel]

Done

[keen karma]

I don’t play singles

I thought this was doubles

[golden sentinel]

Hmm well I'm still open for suggestions in doubles

As long as they fall under the current regulations

[mighty stump]

👍

I love it when Meta stands for "It checks things for me"

[mellow barn]

Why I am playing badly?

[mighty stump]

Lack of focus from frying your brain or something

Do something else

[dull ibex]

Hi everyone

[mighty stump]

Whats up Red

[silk stream]

What actually happened to make garchomp have such a low usage rate. I played the first season, and chomp was amazing.

[keen karma]

Forgot the anti mb

[dull ibex]

Here to make fun of idiots (I just wake up what's going on)

[mighty stump]

Yeah sure

[dull ibex]

What does chomp check?

[mighty stump]

As if I have no metric of checking whether or not something is anti-meta OH WAIT

https://cut-explorer.stalruth.dev/international-latin-america
1 Chomp in the entirety of LAIC top 128
https://cut-explorer.stalruth.dev/regional-toronto
1 Chomp in the entirety of Toronto Regional Top 256

[dull ibex]

What does garchomp even do in a format where quake is bad?

[mighty stump]

Its so anti-meta it doesnt exist in the game

Amazing

[dull ibex]

Vc? 👀

[keen karma]

W

[mellow barn]

Finally I was able to beat a match!

[mighty stump]

Yeah it would seem like a W when you say dumbass shit

[dapper crag]

I'm having great success with Earthquake on my Landorus

[dull ibex]

Over stomping?

Wack

[dapper crag]

I run both

[dull ibex]

Gross

[dapper crag]

Don't assume before I answer xD

[mighty stump]

Either you miss Rock Slide, Pivoting or Tera Blast

[dull ibex]

I think earthquake is terrible rn

[next stump]

Iron Bundle, Flutter Mane, Lando-T, etc. all came into the game and made it hard for it to function

[keen karma]

Lando always runs stomping

[dapper crag]

No Tera Blast, I picked Tera Water

[keen karma]

What u on abt

They just drop tera blast

[dull ibex]

Hey Doyle shut up 🙂

[mighty stump]

It's not like its non-viable. But calling it meta/anti-meta is a flat out wrong statement

[dull ibex]

We established this

[dapper crag]

I already had choice scarf on Urshifu so Lando needed another item

Tried out Choice Band with defensive tera

[silk stream]

Fair. Not seen many bundles. Always forget how strong flutter is when I'm not actually playing against it haha

[dull ibex]

The problem is so money things resist or immune to ground

[dapper crag]

Now it's Stomping Tantrum, Earthquake, U-Turn, Rock Slide

[silk stream]

Thx

[gentle crag]

mas.n has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[keen karma]

Fax

[dull ibex]

And rillaboom is common

Which kills quake

[dapper crag]

Yeah I know grassy field reduces incoming damage from earthquake

[dull ibex]

By alot

[dapper crag]

no it's flat amount

but I just click U-Turn instead

[dull ibex]

Yes which is alot?

[dapper crag]

deals nice damage into Grass

[dull ibex]

It being flat doesn't make it a small amount

[dapper crag]

It killed Heatran in Grassy Field twice so far

[dull ibex]

Isn't tran 4x weak

[dapper crag]

Yeah, so it's not small damage when weak

[dull ibex]

A 4x weakness is not a good metric

Icy wind from non stab can kill a not Tera lando

[dapper crag]

Yeah I like Tera Water

resists your previous weaknesses

[dull ibex]

I still think flying is better but whatevs

[dapper crag]

I have Tornadus for flying damage

[dull ibex]

Bleakwind is too inconsistent

[keen karma]

Is psyspam hoodra a thing

[dapper crag]

not inconsistent enough to run air slash over it according to the website with stats

[dull ibex]

I mean yeah it is if you value consistency

[dapper crag]

I don't know, I see it a lot on the VGC stream I am watching

[dull ibex]

Yes most are running

[dapper crag]

Yes so I run it and it's flying damage 🙂

[dull ibex]

It's still too inconsistent for me

[dapper crag]

For you okay, thought you were talking in general

[keen karma]

Not really tbh

[dull ibex]

Also you don't ohko moongus like Lando

[keen karma]

Bleakwind has too much value to ever drop for air slash

[dull ibex]

No it doesn't I absolutely could make the argument

[dapper crag]

Yeah you can argue over everything on the Internet

[dull ibex]

I'm not going to because I value aggressive play

[dapper crag]

Doesn't make it worthwhile imo

[dull ibex]

No I can make it a good argument for air slash I'm not going to argue something pointless

[dapper crag]

[dull ibex]

Air slash has merit

But it makes torn too passive for my demonic taste

[dapper crag]

Prankster Tailwind is proactive so far

I run covert cloak to dodge the fake out

[dull ibex]

I've ran 3 choice before

[dapper crag]

[dull ibex]

Hyper offense my beloved

[mellow barn]

OK finally I am on a roll

[dapper crag]

Nice

[mellow barn]

Play on showdown though. Wanna test the team before attemptin to get to 1000 on in game ladder

[keen karma]

You have time for a friendly?

[dapper crag]

Don't put a static rank, do your best instead 💪

[mellow barn]

True

[dull ibex]

Start with an obtainable static rank tbh

[dapper crag]

no static rank, just do you best

fuck mmr/winrate, seek improvement instead

[dull ibex]

No

[dapper crag]

ya set yourself up for success no matter the outcome

[keen karma]

Too bad 🦊

[dapper crag]

mind sharing/posting your team, I'm always curious seeing what others are cooking

[dull ibex]

My goal was top 1k

I've gotten that a few times 🙂

[dapper crag]

Problem with such a goal is that you rank up early month and call it done

It's not consistent to seek static rank when you can get it with less total ranks

[dull ibex]

Now I just aim for above 5k consistently which is my current goal

[dapper crag]

like bragging on reddit you made it to top rank day 1 vs end of month

[dull ibex]

This implies I only set one goal a format

[dapper crag]

You said your goal was 1k

[dull ibex]

Yeah it WAS my goal until I got it

[keen karma]

Gl bud

[dapper crag]

that's what I'm pointing out, you can get it early month and be ''happy''

that's why I dislike static goals, they have less value vs seeking constant improvement in anything

[dull ibex]

Static goals also make it so you're not chasing something unobtainable and beating yourself up because you're not doing the best (imo)

[dapper crag]

why not just be happy with yourself improving no matter what rank you are

[dull ibex]

Because not everyone can be

Why not do a mixture of both?

[dapper crag]

bruh, mental toughness/anxiety on ladder is real and kills a lot of players in a lot of competitive games

[dull ibex]

Are you telling ME ladder anxiety is real?

[dapper crag]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[dull ibex]

Let's use words instead of gifs please

Sometimes people's goal is masterball and then they aim as high as they can in that rank, is that not a mix of both?

[dapper crag]

just saying that if you impose yourself a goal and you end up not making it, you'll be more prone to raging/toxicity/blaming random stuff

[dull ibex]

Sure maybe

[dapper crag]

but if the goal is to improve no matter what, then you're always thriving

[dull ibex]

But losing at all can do that too

Since we're not talking about specific players

I don't think a goal or two will always lead to bad mental

[dapper crag]

I've seen a lot of dudes who wanted to lift to get bigger, they weren't seeing results fast enough so they ended up quitting, when the journey is all about becoming a better version of yourself and that takes years

[dull ibex]

Just like aiming to always improve will not always lead to a good mental

[dapper crag]

Yeah it's a bit more nuanced ofc but you get the nitty gritty

[dull ibex]

Yeah so why not use a mix of both?

Small goals can help you improve on that journey

My goal was pretty high on ladder because I had multiple years experience before it

[dapper crag]

I don't like static goals, they're unrealistic in that you don't know how long it'll take you to go get there

vs constant goal that is something you achieve no matter the outcome

[dull ibex]

Then don't set a deadline

If you're setting a goal and expecting to be there literally immediately that is kind of on them

[dapper crag]

Like the way I word them is : getting to the gym on a constant basis vs adding X or Y amount of weight over Z period

[dull ibex]

I never mentioned time periods though

[dapper crag]

But I mean a regulation only has so many days right

[dull ibex]

Right these goals don't imply to one format

[dapper crag]

If you don't reach your goal by end of month, then you're set back in Ultra Ball

[mighty stump]

Showdown be liekl

[dull ibex]

If you miss rank 1k in one reset aim for the next

I haven't been top 1k since reg b 😔

[dapper crag]

1 game away from Master Ball

[dull ibex]

Good luck 🫡

Hi tofu

[mighty stump]

Hello

[dull ibex]

How's life been going

[keen karma]

Man fuck it imma just ladder on cart with my empoleon team

[dull ibex]

Oh shiiit I can play animal crossing again

[keen karma]

L

[dull ibex]

Just like your takes anyways

[keen karma]

Damn

Wait my takes arent even that bad

[mellow barn]

https://pokepast.es/130623df4589bccf

[dull ibex]

Depends

[dapper crag]

The Garchomp one is something you should not be proud of

[dull ibex]

DAMN

[keen karma]

The garchomp one was satire

[mighty stump]

Satire should be funny

Or entertaining

[dapper crag]

Bro don't make up excuses, it's making it even worse

[mighty stump]

You are so far from either you're a third entity altogether

[keen karma]

Thats not very nice

[dapper crag]

Oh damn, you found the Gholdengo hidden tech

[dull ibex]

WOAH hold up Jay and tofu

Satire of what?

What are you making satire of

[dapper crag]

Leave me out of the satire

They said Garchomp anti-meta, which is not true

[dull ibex]

If you can't Answer Doyle it wasn't satire

[dapper crag]

anti-meta would be Brambleghast

[dull ibex]

Or bruxish

Which is gross I hate that

[keen karma]

Shut up im doing sometjinh rn

[dull ibex]

OK so it wasn't satire

[keen karma]

Ill respond in a sec

[dapper crag]

https://tenor.com/view/zendaya-let-me-calm-down-chill-out-cool-down-deep-breath-gif-17436390

[mighty stump]

I wish I could give out warnings for having terrible takes

[dull ibex]

I think samurott is anti meta because I can ohko things weak to water /j

[mighty stump]

So badly

But instead, I will leave

[dull ibex]

Alright guys HEAR ME OUT

[mellow barn]

https://pokepast.es/130623df4589bccf
Tofu, mind checking my team EVs I think they are fine but hope for a last min check

[keen karma]

You would ban majority of the entire chat then

[mighty stump]

Not really, you're the main offender at the moment

[dull ibex]

Coming from the rock ogerpon guy?

[mighty stump]

I have yet to see deliberately dumb takes over and over again

[keen karma]

Rockerpon is good

I stand by that

[mighty stump]

All good

[dull ibex]

Shoehorning it down dragos throat is a bad take

[mighty stump]

In the meantime since I cannot do what I want I shall leave

[dull ibex]

Good bye tofu!

[keen karma]

Idk what u mean

[dull ibex]

Tofu I'm back to playing hard meta lmao

[dapper crag]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-stop-hes-already-dead-kids-krusty-burger-gif-20458591

[dull ibex]

It's going fine?

My win rate is bad rn

[keen karma]

That doesnt matter

[dull ibex]

What doesn't

[keen karma]

Win rate

[dapper crag]

i'm in a very interesting game facing Toxapex and Hisiuan Goodra

[dull ibex]

It very much does

[keen karma]

Especially since you use one account

[dapper crag]

I can't switch out and I'm slowly dying

[dull ibex]

My winrate matters

[keen karma]

Not really you’ve probably used a ton of teams that just dont work so like it doesnt matter

[dull ibex]

If My win rate is going up I'm not improving

[keen karma]

Its not accurate representation of your skill unless you make alts with specific teams

[dull ibex]

Nothing say is going to change my mindset, it's not worth your time.

[keen karma]

Thats not true at all

[dapper crag]

stop it with the bad takes pls

[mighty stump]

If you're trying to rate a win-rate of a specific team then yes you will need clear slates

[dull ibex]

That works for other people it isn't how my brain operates

[mighty stump]

i.e. alts

[keen karma]

Ok

[dapper crag]

they equate skill with winrate

[dull ibex]

I'm thinking I'm competent at vgc I want to be better then that so I beat myself up it my win rate is low

[keen karma]

I find elo more important personally

[mighty stump]

Depends; You need other factors in there.

[dull ibex]

My logic is stupid and only leads to insecurity

[dapper crag]

but that's a you thing, you beat yourself up for reasons you shouldn't (not saying this to bash you, I think you are a beautiful person despite our knack to argue like an old couple)

[dull ibex]

No I agree

[mighty stump]

ELO isn't fully indicative either since you can ladder with a cheese team in a meta snapshot and achieve a high elo.

[dull ibex]

I've had this conversation before

It's unreasonable and I shouldn't think like that

[keen karma]

This is true

[mighty stump]

The true measure of skill is just consistency.

[dapper crag]

Let me make a new alt and tank wins vs noobs/low ladder to inflate my elo

[keen karma]

Me though im not really a cheesy team user though

[dapper crag]

And then I'll flaunt it to your face and call myself a god

[dull ibex]

I use hard meta and nothing but hard meta so my teams are not my problem thankfully

[mighty stump]

You can't really do that since that gets walled as you reach a certain elo, and usually most cheese fails at around 1400s in Bo1 CTS, which in a format itself isn't the most "skillful"

[mellow barn]

AWWW CRAP!!!

[keen karma]

I try to avoid hard meta

[mellow barn]

Forgot Fake out was Egg move

[mighty stump]

Which is why consistency

Glicko/GXE

Over a large number of games

Over a number of formats/seasons

Looking at a single snapshot isn't indicative be it elo/winrate/whatever

Without considering other factors

[keen karma]

Damn my gxe is only 65 rn

[mighty stump]

Otherwise I can just easily flaunt that one time I hit rank 1 and call myself good

[dapper crag]

you can teach it with picnic. Rillaboom must have free moveslot and hold a mirror herb. Have nother Pokemon with Fake Out move and just let them in a picnic for 5 seconds. Rillaboom will auto learn it.

[keen karma]

I mean in that case you probably are good

[mellow barn]

Oh

[keen karma]

Maybe not tournament level but you are definitely good

[dull ibex]

I'm entirely inconsistent on ladder but can consistently take games off or beat better players then me

[keen karma]

Rank 1 at any time in formats i think is a pretty good accomplishment

[mighty stump]

Yeah, but that isnt it for me

[dapper crag]

https://gamewith.net/pokemon-scarletviolet/article/show/37241

Here's a link if you need to view steps more detailed

[dull ibex]

Not when the formats get more and more skill based as time goes

[mighty stump]

Cause thats not a true measure of where I actually sit.

[keen karma]

That is especially true then

[dapper crag]

lol I won my game on timer

Master Ball yeah

[keen karma]

Because there isnt a stable meta but you adapted and found something good early but it goes both ways

Because you are facing a ton of random mu’s

And still winning

[dull ibex]

Doyle I hit 212 in reg b how often do you hear me mention as a reason I'm good?

[keen karma]

Im not talking about 212 im talking about 1

[dull ibex]

The example stays the same

[dapper crag]

Guys stop arguing and have fun 🙂

[keen karma]

Not really

[dull ibex]

Okay lol

[mighty stump]

In any case, I agree

Just cut it here

[dull ibex]

🫡

[dapper crag]

This is competitive discussion

go on reddit if you want to argue for weeks xD

[mighty stump]

Sigh

[keen karma]

😂

[mighty stump]

Sigh

[keen karma]

You’re right ill drop it

[dull ibex]

Tofu can you do a vgc stream or busy?

[near crag]

Why hasn't brute bonnet seen use? To my eyes, the only thing amoonguss has, and brute bonnet doesn't, is STAB clear smog, and three extra hp. Other than that, Brute bonnet seems superior.

[mighty stump]

You know what, i will argue, this isn't big dick discussion but im not about to let it be "idiots say what they want without being corrected"

[keen karma]

I mean it wasnt it was more a clash of opinions

[mighty stump]

Some of you regulars also have the dumbest fucking ideas with a complete lack of actual skill to back it up

Yeah

Opinions can be wrong fuckwit

Suprisingly, im not here to coddle misinformation

So, good luck, be a cesspool of bullshittery

Im out and done

[dull ibex]

im p sure it bulk and it being less supportive

[gloomy crescent]

This person put a modest mint on this chandelure why aint it working please dont comment on the build just why the modest mint didnt work

Wait nvm

[dull ibex]

if im sure im someone will give the correct info on why bonnet isnt used

[gloomy crescent]

I see it now the sp atk isnt at max

[keen karma]

👋

[dapper crag]

the base nature will always be showed in description, but check stats with arrow uo/down to see new nature from mint

[keen karma]

It is working

[dull ibex]

its modest rn

[keen karma]

It just doesnt change the text from old nature to modest

[near crag]

it has pretty much every suport move that amoonguss does

[dull ibex]

Oh i see okay so, the summary will always list the first nature it had

the summary won't change with mints

[gloomy crescent]

Bruh how do i tell him this

[dapper crag]

I've had decent success with it, Amoonguss just has a more defensive profile but Brute Bonnet is definitely not a Pokemon you can't have success with, it is way more offense then is non Paradox counterpart

[dull ibex]

^

[mellow barn]

It worked! Thanks Jay!

[dull ibex]

people value the defensive profile WAY more for a redirector support

[keen karma]

Its a glass cannon pretty much

[dull ibex]

which is why it doesnt see use

[dapper crag]

no it's really bulky

[keen karma]

Good damage good support bad typing

[dapper crag]

Typing isn't bad, can't be taunted by prankster, immune to spore

[gloomy crescent]

Nope not in dis server

[keen karma]

Wait does it get spore

[dull ibex]

yes

[gloomy crescent]

Its getting sorted now btw

[dull ibex]

bonnet gets spore

[dapper crag]

I came up with my coach on really fun moveset not using redirection. Seed Bomb Spore Sucker Punch Protect

You don't need redirection cause they will lose if they ignore BB

[dull ibex]

that works for a sweeper yeah

[near crag]

how about: clear smog, pollen puff, spore, leaf storm?

[dull ibex]

you want physical moves on bonnet

[dapper crag]

nah, don't go support with bonnet, this is amoonguss

Brute Bonnet punches and Spore

[near crag]

seed bomb instead of leaf storm seems good

[dull ibex]

amoongus really wants rage powder

[molten oasis]

Rage powder pollen puff and spore are non negotiable

[dull ibex]

pollen puff is negotiable

[keen karma]

Nope

[dull ibex]

I wouldn't not run it but you could do clear smog instead

[dapper crag]

Yeah

[keen karma]

No bro

[molten oasis]

Why is pollen puff ever negotiable?

[keen karma]

Clear smog over protect

[molten oasis]

You should have that healing option always

[dull ibex]

Spore, Smog, Powder, Protect is a thing you can do if you want end of story

sorry drago im annoyed atm

[molten oasis]

ig

[dull ibex]

im not dealing with "no" as an asnwer

[dapper crag]

But yeah for BB go Seed Bomb + Sucker Punch + Spore + Protect with Rocky Helmet/Energy Booster

or you can go loadeddice + bullet seed but you don't really need that much damage to kill stuff

[near crag]

For example, my team has two choice items, getting amoonguss some sp attack makes my team more versatile

[mellow barn]

Gonna try Rillaboom with Wood Hammer first then Grassy Glide

[keen karma]

Use both

[keen karma]

Ehhh

[dull ibex]

no stop arguing

enough

[keen karma]

Im not arguing

[dapper crag]

you are, don't be silly pls

[mellow barn]

Would use but I also wanna use High Horsepower as Ground cover

[keen karma]

You can also use lando

[dapper crag]

Lando is STAB Ground

[keen karma]

Ik

Rillaboom really doesnt fully need hh

[mellow barn]

I am not using Lando

[molten oasis]

Why?

[dull ibex]

why?

[keen karma]

But it depends on your set

[dapper crag]

If you cover for lack of Ground yes they do

Doesn,t depend on set, depends on team

[dull ibex]

🤝 drago

[mellow barn]

I have Hisuan Arcanine

[molten oasis]

Double intimidate isn’t bad by any means

[dull ibex]

what does have to do with anything

[dapper crag]

They're talking about the Rillaboom on their team

[dull ibex]

isnt harc there for offensive power with intim as a bonus?

[molten oasis]

Yea

[dapper crag]

Not just generic Rillaboom

[dull ibex]

high horsepower is fine

[keen karma]

In some ways it does for instance 252 atk with seed/plate normally runs protect over hh

[dull ibex]

you can run it

over uturn ideally

[keen karma]

Oh yeah and uturn

[dapper crag]

They are talking about Rillaboom on their team...

not generic ideas to run rillaboom out of context

[dull ibex]

glide, hammer, high horsepower, fake out

imo

[mellow barn]

https://pokepast.es/130623df4589bccf
This is the team I'll be running, though Harc has Tera: Water.
Approved by Tofu

[dapper crag]

This is great

[dull ibex]

you can leave this as is

its now also redington approved congrats (that means nothing)

[keen karma]

Baek?

I didnt know this was a set team mb

[mellow barn]

Yeah but few changes

[keen karma]

Yeah hh is fine here

[willow vault]

That’s a really solid team, just a quick question (because I’m dumb) why psychic fangs on h-arcanine?

[gloomy crescent]

We fixed it

[keen karma]

Since you are running av anyways

[mellow barn]

Screens

[willow vault]

Alright

[gloomy crescent]

What held item should he put on it

[keen karma]

Why tera normal

Wouldnt you want psy/fairy/dragon

[willow vault]

Boosts extreme speeds damage

[dull ibex]

tera normal harc is fine

[mellow barn]

Oh I changed it to Water

[dull ibex]

I run fairy because funny hands ohko

[dapper crag]

??? I litterally told you about this 10 minutes ago

[keen karma]

Tera?

[keen karma]

I didnt know the team

[dapper crag]

What ? So you comment without context on stuff that is specific...

[gloomy crescent]

Hello what should a chandelure have for a held item?

[keen karma]

I mean i said it depends on his set

[gloomy crescent]

Im thinking the item that boosts sp atk

[dapper crag]

what ? team dependent not set...

[golden sentinel]

The is no greater pleasure than beating a stall team

[keen karma]

Sorry not arguing with you

[dapper crag]

the whole point of running coverage you don't have is to help your team deal with stuff weak to it, namely ground

[keen karma]

Agreed

[dapper crag]

Don't cower away from what you started

That's just the worst way to deal with not being right

[keen karma]

Stop trying to cause problems

Good job i was wrong you can move on now

[mellow barn]

OK ladder rank 7990. Time to start climbing

[keen karma]

Gl

I really should start laddering again

[dull ibex]

ye

guys can we just chill out please

[next stump]

good luck 🙂 what is your goal for this season

[keen karma]

I forgot the blast

[dapper crag]

You should talk less and play more nefarious

[keen karma]

You run tera blast?

[mellow barn]

At least top 1000

[dull ibex]

can you stop with the god damn insults my god

[dapper crag]

You've been picking up fights on any topic ever since I've been here this morning

[keen karma]

You’re causing another one for no reason

[hybrid cave]

What we should be doing is not causing drama and being toxic

[dull ibex]

doyle disagrees im not really sure they are starting fights intentionally

[keen karma]

Ty

[marble coral]

Oh brother please everyone grow up this is a children’s game but lets not behave like children

[hybrid cave]

So maybe let’s move on from the arguing and be nice, we can share our opinions without being rude and causing an argument.

[marble coral]

Everyone treat eachother w respect it’s that simple

[gloomy crescent]

Should this have choice specs or scarf

[dapper crag]

Yeah world would be a better place

[keen karma]

Singles?

[gloomy crescent]

Yeahs

[keen karma]

Idk then

[dapper crag]

Tofu left the discord or I'm dumb ?

[dull ibex]

he did

[dapper crag]

That I'm out and done was clear

[hybrid cave]

He will be taking a break for a little while

[dull ibex]

i am sure he will be back

[eternal kiln]

yo spicy u suck

[dull ibex]

I hope

[eternal kiln]

jk

[dull ibex]

WOW TOXIC /j

[hybrid cave]

Lmao you were so close to being muted stop playing 🤣

[keen karma]

👀

[dull ibex]

mods ban ronaldo for being mean

[marble coral]

I’m retiring from vgc bc I cannot beat mid allegations someone please direct me to the TCG section

[dull ibex]

#sv_discussion

[keen karma]

I think its time to move to go

[dull ibex]

I hope yall found that funny

[marble coral]

On to greener pastures as they say

[dull ibex]

go to casual jail loser /j

[bold geode]

No u

[marble coral]

Oh monke is here

[dull ibex]

dollar is here 👀

[keen karma]

Mss finally started and i forgot to sign up 🤦‍♂️

[marble coral]

Always monke to me

[bold geode]

Monkeying around and shit

[dull ibex]

finally a bucketeer

[keen karma]

You play overwatch?

[dull ibex]

dollar you wanna vc?

[bold geode]

Working

[dull ibex]

CRINGE

anyways as always if someone wants a cringe meta team ping me

[molten oasis]

Dollar just vc during work

(I cannot vc I am working at a restaurant)

[marble coral]

Simply quit

[nocturne holly]

weirdo

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-card-uno-uno-cards-gif-13032597

[nocturne holly]

bro about to serve sushi while talking with the boys

[molten oasis]

I could

[dapper crag]

ok now I made it to Master Ball is there a next step ?

[molten oasis]

I just won’t cuz I don’t need people hearing me being dumb

[nocturne holly]

yeah

[molten oasis]

Climb the ranks of masterball

Or get a high elo in showdown

[nocturne holly]

☝️

[deep sparrow]

Congrats on 4th last night in Lum Berry!

[nocturne holly]

Lum berry?

[marble coral]

Thank you! I saw your message this morning & thought I replied but I never hit send lmao

[gentle crag]

spicycigar has given 1 Gen Rep to kicksgg

[molten oasis]

Yea he did some good work

[marble coral]

It was a decent sized online tournament (114 people) I finished 4th

[deep sparrow]

Lmfao. All good. I finished my first match and went to bed.

[nocturne holly]

Oh damn W

[dapper crag]

ok ok

but why high elo ?

[marble coral]

Bruh I’m back from work ab to pass tf out before I have to go to a family dinner lmao

[keen karma]

Wtf decent size

Where do you find these tourneys

[molten oasis]

That’ll help you improve

[keen karma]

Everytime i look on limitless i see like 25 player tourneys

[marble coral]

A website called limitless

[deep sparrow]

I got off work, and wife and I drove 6 hours to see family for the holiday. Driving back tomorrow then work at 10pm. I feel you 😂

[keen karma]

50 at most

[marble coral]

Idk your time zone but tonight is wide league tournament and they usually have good competition but starts late tonight 10 pm est

[keen karma]

Ahh

[dapper crag]

I'm a bit noob what is showdown ?

[keen karma]

Cna i get link im est

[marble coral]

Ah damn safe travels for sure!

[marble coral]

Lemme find it one sec

[molten oasis]

It’s an online service you can play Pokémon in and test teams

It’s very accessible

[gloomy crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-reverse-card-anime-no-u-legendary-uno-reverse-card-gif-25873580

Saved

[dapper crag]

Oh ok so NSO right

but I'm already playing Pokemon online

[molten oasis]

NSO?

[solid ravine]

switch online

[gloomy crescent]

Nintendo switch online

[molten oasis]

And playing in cart if you’re doing vgc is generally worse lol

[nocturne holly]

How long was the tourney?

[deep sparrow]

https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournaments

[dapper crag]

I'm confused

[molten oasis]

There’s usually better players on showdown

[dapper crag]

What is showdown

[solid ravine]

showdown also has a multitude of different formats besides vgc

[solid ravine]

its literally cart but website

[molten oasis]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2023regulatione-1998413440-05mi8kn41odnqp3n55vse7apowg508xpw

[nocturne holly]

none of them matter except VGC 😈

[marble coral]

https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/6559c3c5a5f82e05ee56794c/player/spicycigar

[dapper crag]

ha okay it's a simulator

[molten oasis]

That’ll take you to a battle but that’s the link

[keen karma]

Actually random doubles is the most important

[dapper crag]

I see

[deep sparrow]

I appreciate it! You playing in wide league tonight?

[marble coral]

Quite a few rounds started at 9 I went to bed at like 4 am lmao

[marble coral]

I’m hoping I’m back home in time to compete but I may miss it by a few minutes (got a family dinner to attend and it’s like an hour drive for me)

[dapper crag]

okay so showdown is not run by Pokemon

[solid ravine]

it is not

[dapper crag]

but it is used to simulate games

[marble coral]

Nah, the people run it do it for free + donations

[keen karma]

How many ppl normally play in tommy tuesday

[marble coral]

Varies but it’s pretty popular

[dapper crag]

oh you can test your teams there

this is where blunder plays the singles stuff

[molten oasis]

Yea it’s a great tool

[dapper crag]

I've seen it for 6 v 6

so I get a high elo there in like any format I want to play

[molten oasis]

Vgc

[dapper crag]

There isn't VGC

[molten oasis]

If you’re playing cart doubles you do vgc on showdown

[deep sparrow]

Last one had like 108 register

[molten oasis]

It’s called regulation e

[dapper crag]

Yah I see this

[keen karma]

Oh is that the one rn

[dapper crag]

With the Singles stuff too

Nice

[molten oasis]

It’s good, showdown is a great tool for improvement

[deep sparrow]

This one is a bit lower. Only 65 registered. But then again it’s a holiday weekend

[dapper crag]

roger that

[keen karma]

This is my type of tournwy

Im signing up for the next one then

[mellow barn]

13933...

[dapper crag]

oh ok VGC is the official competitions circuit

while double battles are not within that

that makes more sense

[keen karma]

Dw it gets better

[next stump]

what do you mean?

VGC is exclusively doubles battles

[dapper crag]

I mean you have an offficial circuit that is regulated by the pokemon company/organizatio right

[next stump]

yes

[dapper crag]

vs just playing double battles on a simulator in the regulation/format

that's the difference if I'm not mistaken. we play the format VGC uses without playing in VGC events right ?

[next stump]

technically yes but the community calls both Showdown doubles and in-game doubles VGC

[dapper crag]

probably but I don't know that yet xD

Joy of being noob

[next stump]

It’s a great community to be a part of most of the time

[mellow barn]

Finally a win

They were playing Wolfey's Weezing team

I need a win streak

[molten oasis]

Youll get one trust

[mellow barn]

My next game opponent had Hearthflame Ogerpon and Tornadus.
I had Urshifu-R and Tornadus.
Taunted Tornadus and Tera Water Surging Strike on Ogerpon.
The rage quit. GG

[charred saddle]

idk if taunting is the play, you can do it if you are sure ur faster

[molten oasis]

I really don’t like playing the taunt game

[charred saddle]

since if its faster and it still sets up tailwind you can lose the t1 real fast

[molten oasis]

(I also just don’t play torn I play moon for tw)

[charred saddle]

mainly i use taunt for set ups mon

[mellow barn]

Damn monkey TR Ursaluna...

Taunt was disabled by mental herb

Honestly I have never beaten TR Ursaluna

[charred saddle]

for TR, they are usually wanting the TR up so its a passive turn. so you can do more pressure onto it

[grizzled bronze]

just ran into a farigiraf with no armor tail