competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

You got 6 mons

[molten oasis]

Yea

Not using eleki LOL

[bold geode]

Damn

[molten oasis]

Kidding if you want to use eleki go for it

[near crag]

Would it work, on your opinion?

[bold geode]

Maybe

[molten oasis]

I think eleki has a niche

[bold geode]

Only one way to find out

[molten oasis]

Like it’s good into shifu torn

But it doesn’t have a ton going for it

It got second in LAIC so by no means is it bad

[cyan smelt]

Who would've thought that drago would be more viable than eleki

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-up-raise-hand-me-here-sich-melden-gif-19627483

Regidrago is my homeslice.

[cyan smelt]

I love drago

[smoky hawk]

Says who?

[cyan smelt]

The usage stats ig

[lofty tartan]

Regidrago has had more high placements as well, and performs better across Limitless tournaments also, which can be fairly competitive.

[smoky hawk]

Did that change recently? Thought it was the opposite in vgc

[cyan smelt]

Which means they'll nerf it next gen lol

[lofty tartan]

It changed with Gen 9

[smoky hawk]

I've been using eleki lately and loving it

[lofty tartan]

Regieleki was a lot better in Gen 8 with Dynamax and a 1.5x Transistor. But Regidrago has performed consistently better since their inclusion in Gen 9

[smoky hawk]

This is news to me

[lofty tartan]

[cyan smelt]

I want the other regis back

Registeel is my homie

[smoky hawk]

I've not seen drago do well at any regionals or ICs but I've seen eleki a couple times top cut

[lofty tartan]

It's made top cut at several Regionals. Regieleki has been seen once? Most recently?

Regidrago has top cut in Masters, Seniors, and Juniors.

[smoky hawk]

If you say so

[cyan smelt]

Dragon energy is busted

[lofty tartan]

It's not me saying so - it's literally quantifiable data lol

There are records of it.

[smoky hawk]

They nerfed eleki to help drago, now they need to nerf drago?

[dull ibex]

This literally factual

[lofty tartan]

^^^

[smoky hawk]

Then what? They nerf eleki again?

[dull ibex]

No just keep both abilities the same

[lofty tartan]

I don't beleive there's a reason to nerf Regidrago at the moment. It's not OMG META BBQ BROKEN

[dull ibex]

Drago is probably still more viable

[lofty tartan]

It's a viable pokemon.

[dull ibex]

Eleki is hurt by typing and coverage

[smoky hawk]

Eleki has been working for me

[cyan smelt]

Drago can be nullified pretty easily by prio moves

[dull ibex]

And speed control

[lofty tartan]

That's cool if it's working for you dude - that is not a general reflection of factual tournament results

And that's fine

[dull ibex]

Listen no offense but working for you isn't a measure of viability

[smoky hawk]

Fluttermane is a huge reason not to run drago

[cyan smelt]

That's why gholdengo exists

[lofty tartan]

You have 5 other pokemon

The Regidrago teams that do well have multiple checks for Flutter

[dull ibex]

"Same could be said for eleki"

[smoky hawk]

Yes but flutter is on more than half of teams

[lofty tartan]

And those checks are generally viable into more than just Flutter. The defensive typing on the teams is usually especially important as well.

Regidrago resists Ogerpon

Regieleki does not

[dull ibex]

Also regidrago teras

[smoky hawk]

I think every single team with a drago I've faced, I've defeated. Both online and in locals

[lofty tartan]

That's cool?

[smoky hawk]

Lol

[dull ibex]

That doesn't mean much in this discussion

Technically the winner beat every team that had mane on it too in that tourney

[lofty tartan]

Pittsburgh Regionals had a Regidrago at 19th, 46, 60, 71, 124

Regieleki at 59 piloted by Aaron Zheng

[charred saddle]

[lofty tartan]

Toronto we know was Regidrago at least at 3 and 14

Regieleki is fine, good into some key stuff, suffers into a good brunt of the meta. Player skill matters a lot with top finishes and use of a team as well

[dull ibex]

Eleki did just place second

[lofty tartan]

For sure

But that's more tantamount to my second point in what I just said at the same time as you xD

[dull ibex]

I think eleki is p bad rn tbh

I think eleki placing high is indicative of the player not eleki

[lofty tartan]

Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying

[dull ibex]

Yeah

But eleki works for you, by all means use it.

[lofty tartan]

Like one Eleki at Pittsburgh in top 128 and in the hands of Cybertron

I did try it recently on Weezing and it was neat but it didn't do anything I wasn't already doing

[dull ibex]

I'm using a standard six

Harc HO

[lofty tartan]

Frankly I may just audible back to Regidrago for my upcoming MSS 😐

[dull ibex]

[lofty tartan]

I have no idea of the local meta because this is the first event of my state.

Regidrago is a good general pick

Weezing is good too but requires a lot of positional awareness and it's gonna be an MSS followed by a PC and that's a LONG DAY of Pokemon

I'm registered for both

Bring me that sweet sweet Reg F action

[smoky hawk]

I'm using eleki. The speed is incredibly useful

[heady onyx]

If only, I'm a specialist for Singles niche metagame, only recently learning to piece up meta stuff well rounded in VGC, but am doing well on ladder so I'm happy

I'm happy, made it to 1550 on showdown in Reg E

Had rough time breaking 1500 past week

[mighty stump]

Congrats

[mighty stump]

Just play Moon/Gold/Clef

It just feels a better version of Walance cuz no offense to my baby Weezing

[molten oasis]

[dull ibex]

Hello again

Are we seeing a moongus resurgence

[nocturne holly]

YESSIR

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-there-gif-20204189

[nocturne holly]

AMOONGUSS THE GOATT

[molten oasis]

Yea amoonguss is coming back

My favorite 🫠

[nocturne holly]

good

[molten oasis]

You should marry amoonguss

You seem to have a grand liking to it

[nocturne holly]

💋🍄

no way I just lost to fucking dudunsparce

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-1995182555

[molten oasis]

You run amoonguss, deserved

[nocturne holly]

no it wasn’t

[molten oasis]

🫵

[nocturne holly]

watch the fucking replay

[molten oasis]

So he read you and then sweeped with dudunsparce

Sounds like a skill issue to me

Btw the turn you double protected tw make it rain would have made a lot more sense

[nocturne holly]

Weavile has fake ou t

[molten oasis]

Ok

[nocturne holly]

FUCK IT WAS OTS

I DIDNT CHECK

[molten oasis]

Gholdengo doesn’t care

[nocturne holly]

fuck

you’re right

[bold geode]

What you think big boy

I'm finally off work

[nocturne holly]

L

[bold geode]

No

Massive W

Now I can finally work on shit for blog

[molten oasis]

I’m still working

I want to go home

My feet are fucking dying

[charred saddle]

oh u got blog winton?

[molten oasis]

I’m not hoping on the blog train until I have a computer

[bold geode]

Going to

[molten oasis]

Doing one on my phone sounds like a nightmare

[charred saddle]

oo

[bold geode]

I have a shitty laptop and broken dreams let's fucking get it

But no I hope to get the blogpost up by beginning of December

Gonna be FUCKING POGGERS

[charred saddle]

glgl ill look at it haha

[silver ravine]

How important are pivot pokemon vs just switching out? I understand that pivoting provides chip damage and is useful if your mon has a choice item, but whatever you switch in for it can still get targeted and potentially be koed if the other guy predicates the switch.

[charred saddle]

some pivots like parting shot reduces stats too

and slower move pivot have differences.

ie. like U turn from rillaboom after taking attack from lando

the switch in mon doesnt get hit

[nocturne holly]

weezing is insanely fucking annoying

I hate it

[silk lily]

Galar?

[charred saddle]

[silk lily]

I loveee it best mon ever so much fun

[silver ravine]

I see I see. So sometimes being slower is good even for pivot? Like how Orthworm is the better shed skin user?

[bold geode]

It can actually help quite a lot tbh

[charred saddle]

well not necessarily good, but it does have its use

[bold geode]

Yeah
Although Shed Skin and Orthworm are sorta not good rn
Sometimes slow pivots can be crazy
Another reason why Incineroar was crazy

[molten oasis]

Good luck

[charred saddle]

Iron Hands Volt switch is also nice for that reason, it can soak up the damage for the switch in partner

[cyan smelt]

After watching that replay I want to use dudunsparce now lmao

[bold geode]

Best Galarian variant is Moltres can't change my mind

[molten oasis]

@bold geode on the blog with your shit laptop

[cyan smelt]

Garmantian is best galar mon

[bold geode]

Imma fuckin need it

[molten oasis]

Fr

[lofty tartan]

I'll take a look at it bb

[bold geode]

My first step is to actually copy Tofu and steal his blog page

[lofty tartan]

Just make your own and don't be upset when he throws a brick at you

[silver ravine]

Thanks for the advice guys. Last question is one pivoter good enough or should I bump it to 2 for a bulky offense tailwind team?

[bold geode]

No actually imma do like he did where he had the art of each mon

[lofty tartan]

I mean yeah those images were 🔥

[bold geode]

I've already started building a house wym

[lofty tartan]

Oh hohoho

[charred saddle]

depends on your team, does your team benefits from pivoting? and pivoting too much is kinda bad

[bold geode]

But yeah
Problem is is that 2/3 of my team don't have dex entries

[lofty tartan]

Man I dunno about pivoting too much. I had a Weezing mirror and they actually got me pretty good by switching Lando way more than I would have done

Like defining how much is too much seems difficult and team-dependent

I never get it

[charred saddle]

since im thinking along the lines of like lando couldve do more rathen than uturning to something, and that something pivots back to lando

but yeah, sometimes like pivoting to intim ot pivot for fakeout pressure is definitely nice

grimm parting shot, intim in thats -2

insane haha

[lofty tartan]

Yeah pivoting Lando into Rilla for Fake Out and then hard switch back to Lando is a really effective play

But even just knowing when to U-Turn over hard switch, and how valuable is the intimidate

[charred saddle]

but i just dont know if you need that much since using the pivot moves takes a slot.

like u turn rilla usually take the stomping tantrum spot

i mean horspower

[cyan smelt]

U-turn on urshifu doesn't take damage from spiky shield does it?

[charred saddle]

i always mixed them a lot

no iirc?

[lofty tartan]

Correct. Should act just like the rest of the moves

[charred saddle]

since it still bypasses it

[cyan smelt]

It's fun u-turning into ogerpon with urshifu

[charred saddle]

not u turning to my waterpon

[cyan smelt]

This sounds fun, fling onto psychic tera dudunsparce with rattled then stored power

[lofty tartan]

Hah you want fun with Dudunsparce?

Tera Psychic Rattled Weakness Policy next to Beat Up Maushold

[cyan smelt]

Lmfao nice

[dapper crag]

Ability: Rattled

This Pokemon's Speed is raised by 1 stage if hit by a Bug-, Dark-, or Ghost-type attack, or if an opposing Pokemon affected this Pokemon with the Intimidate Ability.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[bold geode]

Naw y'all needa stop lmao

[charred saddle]

mika, last time i went into scarf urshifu

weak armour weakness policy endure armarouge

t1 surging strikes to endure armarouge, thats +4 speed +2sp atk, indeedee switch in to cover for prio

and yes the team i was using that time doesnt have rilla

[bold geode]

Y'all bringing up the speedy version of Justified strat now

[charred saddle]

that is the most dumb strat ive seen thus far

[lofty tartan]

I actually ran into that Dudunsparce though

[cyan smelt]

Dudunsparce is a hilarious mon, I want to use it

Plus hyper drill is neat

[bold geode]

Did you ever hear of the jokes about Alolan Muk next to Scovillain?

[lofty tartan]

Fun story - Dragon Energy didn't KO Dudunsparce with Friend Guard up

[cyan smelt]

I've run into that

[bold geode]

The fucking Scovillain Muk shit
Was the toughest shit I have ever fought

[charred saddle]

isnt that the minimize and moody thing

[cyan smelt]

Power of alchemy minimise muk, receives moody

[lofty tartan]

I didn't really run into a problem with it but like I kept Taunting the Muk

[charred saddle]

thats just fucking dumb

not competitive_discussion. its Gimmick_discussion

[lofty tartan]

[charred saddle]

“whats the most gimmicky thing uve ever seen” is the topic

[cyan smelt]

At least dudunsparce is fun, minimise is not fun

[lofty tartan]

Explode Regieleki/Spiritomb TR

[cyan smelt]

Galvanise explosion choice band alolan golem

[charred saddle]

i did explosion regieleki with H zoroark copying spectrier

flutter leads like to shadowball spec

[lofty tartan]

I lost to this once. Cart ladder be a whacky place

[charred saddle]

then set up nasty plot once kek

[cyan smelt]

I should make a team with just funny mons

[charred saddle]

never saw the galvanize explosion tho hmm

[lofty tartan]

It's not good but it'll get some people on ladder for sure

Galvanize turns Explosion into an Electric move

[charred saddle]

lando just laughs at that

[cyan smelt]

And boosts it by 20%

[charred saddle]

oh and a boost? damn

[bold geode]

@dull ibex care to answer this question? What was that one thing again

[lofty tartan]

Yeah and boosts. So it's Electric Pixilate

[charred saddle]

its better pixilate then no? electric and then boost

[cyan smelt]

• choice band means an insane amount of damage

[charred saddle]

holy crap pretty nice

[lofty tartan]

Pixilate is Fairy and 20% boost

Fairy is arguably a better offensive typing

[cyan smelt]

450 bp explosion

[charred saddle]

oh pixilate also gives boost? so hypervoice still does more if it has the same BP as dazzling?

[bold geode]

Not too bad of a defensive either

[charred saddle]

since both became STAB but hypervoice receives 20% more boost

[lofty tartan]

Yeah hyper voice gets a 20% boost

[charred saddle]

pretty pog

[lofty tartan]

So like ignore the BP reduction for doubles, basically

[cyan smelt]

That's why in earlier regs people ran hyper voice Sylveon with throat spray

[lofty tartan]

BP reduction for spread is 20% right?

[dull ibex]

What thing.

[bold geode]

A certain pyramid

[dull ibex]

Do you mean Tera normal explosion garganacl?

[lofty tartan]

Lmao

[bold geode]

Yeah with the covert cloak

[dull ibex]

Because that is definitely not the most gimmicky thing I've ever seen

[lofty tartan]

Oh man that brings back memories

[bold geode]

Oh what it be then

[dull ibex]

Shrug not that

[dull ibex]

This was reg D

[bold geode]

No the most annoying gimmick I've ever fought against since it became viable somehow and I always lost to it
Was that fucking Torkoal Bruxish team

[bold geode]

No it was E

[dull ibex]

🤔

[lofty tartan]

I was just awash in the glow of Tera Normal Explosion Garg. I didn't say it was most annoying gimmick or anything

[charred saddle]

the frickin +4 speed +2 sp atk endure arm still haunts me today

i cant outspeed it even with tailwind

im the one needing the TR

[bold geode]

I also don't get too much of the fuckin surf gimmicks with Palossand and Coalossal

[lofty tartan]

TW your own +4 speed +2 sp attack endure Arm. Easy peasy 😄

[cyan smelt]

Reminds me when I fought something similar but got armarouge down to 1hp then their tsareena used U-turn on it lmao

[charred saddle]

missclick?

[cyan smelt]

No I think they planned for armarouge to have more hp

I think armarouge was psychic tera

[charred saddle]

yeah the arm i met was psychich tera too

[bold geode]

I play Showdown on mobile a lot
You have no idea how much I've done this shit

[charred saddle]

i mean its 1 hp either way, might as well get more value in dmh

[cyan smelt]

Actually I can't remember if they used endure or not because then the U-turn wouldn't have koed

[molten oasis]

You miss click on mobile?

Is your phone screen small or do you have fat fingers?

[bold geode]

Yeah cuz fat thumb vs small button

[molten oasis]

Oh so it’s both lol

That sucks

[bold geode]

Well.....
Kinda yeah

[cyan smelt]

Showdown needs a mobile app

[nocturne holly]

FR

[bold geode]

There is one
Called Google Chrome

[nocturne holly]

that would be poggers

[nocturne holly]

🤓☝️📖

you rn
Go study vocabulary nerd

[bold geode]

Keep it open on a Chrome tab, make it feel like an app

[bold geode]

Imma study your mom bitch

[nocturne holly]

how is Linda feeling

[bold geode]

Alright

[nocturne holly]

I might have to pay her a visit

Weezing and dusclops piss me off
Wisp sucks

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/1ee0946fe34ee2f5

LAIC finals team

not sure if it was already linked

[molten oasis]

That won?

[next stump]

second place

[molten oasis]

Oh that’s cool

[lofty tartan]

Dillon - know of any decent Clefairy/Moon/Gholdengo teams? Looking to step outside of my norm a little 👀

[nocturne holly]

Walance to moon balance w

I’m getting bored of moon balance rn

[charred saddle]

btw i wanna ask, why not mental herb to cover for taunt too? so it can go ghost tera for fake outs

[lofty tartan]

I'm just like uncertain of my pick for my MSS so I'm kinda shopping around before I go back to what I was considering. Like a refresher.

[charred saddle]

or just protect fake out and dark tera for taunt prankster?

[next stump]

yes precisely

protect covers for fake out, dark tera covers opposing tornadus, you also have indeedee redirection if you don’t want to tera

[next stump]

I don’t 😦 I can’t recommend the 6 I’ve been using enough though. I really do think the only games I’ve lost at locals are because I just played the matchup bad

Farig/Rilla/Urshifu-R/Heatran/Chien/Dragonite classic 6 just with some different sets than the original team

[dull ibex]

On torn?

[next stump]

yeah on that team

[nocturne holly]

Mika I know you’ve done walance a lot, how’s dengo with weezing?

[charred saddle]

itll be funny since then u can get spored haha

[next stump]

I’ve seen a lot of teams at my locals run Weezing/Moon/Gholdengo/Lando with ability shield stuff

annoying as fuck to deal with

booster SPE moon next to weezing is so annoying

[lofty tartan]

I don't like Dengo with Weezing. You ideally want stuff that doesn't mind not having an ability, I think

[next stump]

I don’t think Gholdengo minds losing its ability too much as long as you run taunt on Weezing

[nocturne holly]

Im getting really bored of my team, thinking of going back to weezing

I spend way too much time on a team in sd

And I get bored of it before I can bring it into cart

[dull ibex]

Tbh with you

I get bored of teams within a week

I switch around alot

[nocturne holly]

fr

I take forever to bring a team into cart

idk what to do

[dull ibex]

I have a crippling low attention span

I wish they had a in game thing for creating rentals

[nocturne holly]

Wdym

[dull ibex]

Like in showdown

[cyan smelt]

Like stadium

[dull ibex]

You can even make it so the team creator can't do showdown

[dull ibex]

You had to use mons from another game

I mean just make an official showdown

Like temtem has

They even do what I suggested if you want a rare tem you had to get in game

[nocturne holly]

I think ima just ladder with the team tmr and see how it goes
If I do good, bring it into cart
If not I’ll switch teams

[thick grail]

does toxic debris activate even if glimmora protects/spiky shields

[bold geode]

No
Has to make contact
Only exception to that I believe is Urshifu since it bypasses protect

[thick grail]

ok

im doing a draft tournament and one of my mons is glimmora

im trying to figure out its full extent to actually utilize it

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-1995246435

https://pokepast.es/a02bbeccaae6301b
dumb H samurott team

[molten oasis]

No offense, skill issue 🫵

[charred saddle]

im the one using hamurott

[molten oasis]

Oh

Nice team

[charred saddle]

[molten oasis]

Bud is running illumise

And didn’t click tw

He’s dumb

[charred saddle]

kek yeah

[cyan smelt]

damn even with tera fairy hamurott got one shot

[vague whale]

What happens if ogerpon switches held mask mid battle?

Is it possible? If so is it viable?

[lofty tartan]

Pretty sure it's one of those locked held items that are non-interactable

The same as any other form-changing held item

[vague whale]

I wasn't sure if it was locked since it could swap mask for mask

[lofty tartan]

I mean a lock in battle - moves that interact with items like Fling or Trick will fail

[vague whale]

That'd be kinda fun though, using sturdy then switching water absorb or something

[charred saddle]

yeah its shit

[lofty tartan]

You'd be at 1hp with Water Absorb, if Sturdy activated and you were able to swap, so it wouldn't really be much.

[charred saddle]

i mean its no bulk hamurott but still

[cyan smelt]

65 sp def

I'm sad, it was the best starter in pla

[cyan smelt]

also that ceaseless edge did hardly any damage to flutter

[finite drum]

any yt vid recommendations to watch if you have no clue about anything when it comes to pvp/comp/battles

like absolute basics type of vid

[cyan smelt]

vgcguide.com, cybertron, wolfey, james baek are all good

cybertron is the best for beginners because he breaks down his plays and why he makes them

[finite drum]

alright thanks!

[cyan smelt]

victory road and pikalytics is good for team information

[charred saddle]

65 bp and resist with fairy

shouldve gone for razor shell tbh

[cyan smelt]

ceaseless edge was stab and flutter mane was neutral so i'm surprised it did so little damage

[charred saddle]

oh nono, it tera fairy

[cyan smelt]

oh oops

[charred saddle]

i was thinking along like, if it tera i can win end game. so i dont really bother looking at other move. but either way even if it teras razor shell is neutral either way haha

idk if the spikes are relevant

[cyan smelt]

it hurts me to see almost all of the hisuian mons be really bad

[charred saddle]

Harc lilli ursaluna

rest are bleh

[cyan smelt]

sneasler with armadeedee

[charred saddle]

oh yeah sneasler kinda nice with unburden and psychic seed

[cyan smelt]

dire claw is just busted

[charred saddle]

but the dire claw is also rng so idk

you cant rely on it too much

[molten oasis]

Sure dire claw is busted

But also, SHIT defenses

[cyan smelt]

yeah but it's there to be a nuke

[molten oasis]

It’s not even good at doing that

[charred saddle]

dire claw how much bp again?

[molten oasis]

Cuz there’s better options

[molten oasis]

80 I believe

[charred saddle]

oh shit.

[dapper crag]

Move: Dire Claw

Has a 50% chance to cause the target to either fall asleep, become poisoned, or become paralyzed.

Type

Poison

Category

Physical

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[cyan smelt]

• heightened crit chance

[charred saddle]

80 bp and sleep poison and para chance fuck

[molten oasis]

No

[charred saddle]

no crit

[molten oasis]

Yea it’s rng but it’s fucking annoying

But like, gholdy is on the rise so

[cyan smelt]

oh so they nerfed it, in PLA it had heightened crit chance too

[molten oasis]

A lot of things were nerfed from PLA

[cyan smelt]

shelter

[molten oasis]

shelter would have been kinda annoying asf if it was what it is in PLA

[cyan smelt]

but not the genies' new moves

[molten oasis]

tbf

[charred saddle]

ceaseless in PLA was 80 right?

[molten oasis]

They aren’t really broken

[charred saddle]

it became 65 in SV

[cyan smelt]

but heightened crit chance

and don't forget sharpness

[molten oasis]

Yea

The nerf was fair imo

[charred saddle]

ceaseless no crit chance right? only drops spike

[dapper crag]

Move: Ceaseless Edge

If this move is successful, it sets up a hazard on the opposing side of the field, damaging each opposing Pokemon that switches in, unless it is a Flying-type Pokemon or has the Levitate Ability. A maximum of three layers may be set, and opponents lose 1/8 of their maximum HP with one layer, 1/6 of their maximum HP with two layers, and 1/4 of their maximum HP with three layers, all rounded down. Can be removed from the opposing side if any opposing Pokemon uses Mortal Spin, Rapid Spin, or Defog successfully, or is hit by Defog.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

65

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

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Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[charred saddle]

yeah no crit chance

[molten oasis]

Yea no crit

[cyan smelt]

i keep thinking these moves have boosted crit

[molten oasis]

It’s kinda rare for a Mon to have crit and a secondary effect

[charred saddle]

dude 65 bp, no crit and only + spike so shit

[cyan smelt]

it's more like 90 bp

[molten oasis]

In vgc yea

In singles I think it’s really good

[cyan smelt]

kleavor has the same problem

[molten oasis]

Don’t quote me on that

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 900: Kleavor

Types

Bug/Rock

Abilities

Swarm, Sheer Force, Sharpness (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/135/95/45/70/85

Total

500

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[molten oasis]

That speed sucks

[charred saddle]

oh kleavor also has sharpness

85 is average i think

[molten oasis]

Id say average is 90 tbh

A lot of things are 90 or above

[cyan smelt]

wonder how strong a sheer force stone axe is

[charred saddle]

how do you check pokemon movesets again?

[cyan smelt]

type /learn (pokemon name)

[dapper crag]

Kleavor's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Assurance, Bide, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bug Bite, Close Combat, Counter, Cross Poison, Cut, Double Hit, Double-Edge, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, False Swipe, Feint, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Knock Off, Lunge, Natural Gift, Night Slash, Pounce, Psycho Cut, Pursuit, Quick Attack, Rage, Return, Reversal, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Skull Bash, Slash, Smack Down, Steel Wing, Stone Axe, Stone Edge, Take Down, Thief, Trailblaze, U-turn, Wing Attack, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Bug Buzz, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Ominous Wind, Razor Wind, Round, Silver Wind, Snore, Struggle Bug, Swift, Tera Blast, Vacuum Wave

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Baton Pass, Captivate, Confide, Curse, Defog, Detect, Double Team, Endure, Focus Energy, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Leer, Light Screen, Mimic, Morning Sun, Protect, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Rest, Roost, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Tailwind, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Kleavor.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[sturdy crescent]

But when it does happen…
looks at triple arrows and thanks the lord that the mon’s bad

[gentle crag]

lechonkridaaaaaaa has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[sturdy crescent]

Oop lmao

[molten oasis]

Lol true

[gloomy crescent]

Hai everyone

Does the shadow tag ability better than thunder cage to stop mons from returning

[mellow barn]

Generally yes since it takes your ability slot rather than a move.
And if the move user dies, they should be freed from it (Correct me if I am wrong)
But it could work as additional locking ability, for possible switch in. Though cage does nothing to ground types.
Wolfey used Shadow Tag in one of his Perish Song team to stop pokemons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onn_fljVCvk Here's the video, maybe it helps

[gloomy crescent]

Does perish song work on ghost types

It's what I'm thinking of doing btw

I don't watch wolfey either

[mellow barn]

It does, but generally ghost types don't get trapped by Shadow Tag

[mellow barn]

Also sorry was wrong video, here is the vid about the team he used with perish song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaCMpRnwSE0&t=1859s

[gloomy crescent]

I wasn't going to watch it anyway 💀

[gloomy crescent]

Oh I forgot it doesn't

Here I'm trapped as ghost are widely used in competitive

I'm thinking eleki is better now

[placid thorn]

Why is that?

[gloomy crescent]

My signal isn't good

Power down

[mighty stump]

Wolfe also states (if this is winning team) to please not use his team

Its very non-player friendly unless you really know what youre doing

[mellow barn]

True, but I see it also as a good educational material if someone would go for Perish play

[mighty stump]

Perish Trap just feels unfriendly with Urshifu + teams running almost two pivots around

[mellow barn]

That is also true

[mellow barn]

Oh this weekend there will be Brisbane and Gdansk Regional 👀

More competitive content

[cyan smelt]

next year i might try to attend the brisbane regional but i need to get better with teambuilding

[mellow barn]

I kinda interested on joining Stockholm Regional 🤔

[mellow barn]

Sadly there isn't any local tournaments in my country to get CP

[fathom geyser]

What's the site to check usage rate called again?

[mighty stump]

Pikalytics.

[keen karma]

Honestly depends if shifu is scarfed or not

[mighty stump]

so like half of them

[keen karma]

Because perish trap becomes noticeably easier to use on shifu depending on that

[mighty stump]

Not really

You either get pivoted or you cant stall

So

[heady onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/amoonguss-pokemon-fungus-my-beloved-amoongus-my-beloved-gif-12480269779708604969

Mr. Shroom is lowkey carrying my ass and I like it

[mellow barn]

I never get out from Singles Rank 8

Hey, since there will be few weeks before DLC drops, I wanna reach the highest possible rank in ladder. I have already reached Master Rank with this team, but I hope to get some feedback on how I can make it better. The team is James Baek's team that won Regional, but with slight changes on Tornadus.
https://pokepast.es/5e941daeafca5102
Thoughts on each member:
Tornadus: Though Covert Cloak is better, I used Sitrus for more health and Ghost as defensive tera. Rain to buff my other water pokemon and general set up.
Gholdengo: While I do like it's bulk and just power on Make it Rain with Nasty Plot, I have noticed I don't use it very much. And I had few games where it has failed me. Possible pokemon I would take out.
Hisuain Arcaninen: Good doggy, good damage and Tera Fairy is good on it. Mostly used Rock Slide and Blitz.
Urshifu (Rapid Strike): Very offensive pokemon, like it very well. Able to scout and Surging Strikes works well. Though I admit, I can see Detect on this one, but not sure if I should.
Iron Hands: One of the best pokemon, able to counter Mane, Tornadus and Urshifu. Definatly wanna keep it in team.
Ogerpon: Honestly, I see it as a counter for Urshifu and while power and games won because of her, she feels bit lacking something.

Feel free to give suggestions what to improve for current meta that we still have before DLC.

[brisk hatch]

Which stat is highest
Def or special def on amoongus?

And tips on dealing with amoongus?

[next stump]

amoonguss is normally trained heavily in defense

[mellow barn]

Special Attack is good counter for it

Torkoal, Chin-Yu

[mighty stump]

Just taunt it, run grass types, fake out, chi-yu

[mellow barn]

☝️

[mighty stump]

Lando can deal with it, Ogerpon can deal with it

A ton of options to be honest

Or just running Goggles on something

[heady onyx]

You don't need Rage Powder to draw attacks in most cases

[mighty stump]

Tera-Grass options in stuff like Heatran and the like

[heady onyx]

That shroom has like a big target on their back

[brisk hatch]

Doesn't it tera water mostly?

[mellow barn]

Yeah or Fire

[mighty stump]

I have yet to see Fire

Cause Urshi-Water is so important to deal with

[mellow barn]

True, just checked info from Smogon

[keen karma]

I luv running urshi tera poison

[heady onyx]

Some games where Tera Fire would be good ngl

[mighty stump]

Smogon isn't necessarily for VGC, you'd prefer to use PokeStats/Pikalytics

[heady onyx]

but Water just covers your ass neutrally

[mighty stump]

Or just the VGCData twitter page

[keen karma]

My friend makes good spreads on there

[mellow barn]

True, but I look all sources

[mighty stump]

Your friend takes spreads they don't necessarily know what they do

[keen karma]

Good spreads and sets overall

[keen karma]

They make them

[mighty stump]

My opinion is if you don't know what a spread does, no point

[heady onyx]

The sets from smogon looks live they've been done by players who don't play the game 9 times ouf of 10

[mighty stump]

You don't make spreads to post on Pikalytics. No one does. Its dredged from game data

So

🤷‍♂️

[keen karma]

No i meantt on smogon

[mighty stump]

Then this. Or its just reposted VGC data anyways

[keen karma]

U just ask them in the smogon serv what the specific spreads do

[mighty stump]

Why would I go to a Smogon server for VGC stuff

I can just ask top players or make my own spreads ._.

[keen karma]

Well i mean not everyone has access to that…

[heady onyx]

They're done in bulk by users hardly touching most formats ngl

They're useful, but they don't cather to most metagames since these users lack proper knowledge

[mellow barn]

Honestly testing and knowledge helps determent the best ev spread

[heady onyx]

It's like suggesting a spread from Pikalytics going by popularity without actual knowledge to what it precisely checks

[mighty stump]

People can learn to make their own spreads though

[keen karma]

No there is no specific best ev spread

[mighty stump]

Or at least find spreads with explanations

[keen karma]

Yea

[mighty stump]

But having to sift through a server to find a specific user to ask about their spreads aren't exactly accessible either

[mellow barn]

True there isn't, but best ev spread for you and your team that you feel comfritable

[heady onyx]

hard to deny max/max spreads on glass cannon

sash pao going max/max could be explained by juniors lol

[keen karma]

What

[mighty stump]

I mean

Flutter Mane

[mellow barn]

☝️

[heady onyx]

max/max spread, 252 in speed + attacking stat with 4 dump in something, a glass cannon, a wall breaker, an offensive powerhouse

if TR then you do 252 hp

[keen karma]

Oh ok

[mellow barn]

Every team building generally starts with max stats and get changed from there

[heady onyx]

Only spread that is barely questionable on smogon but it's just cookie cutter

[keen karma]

What are you talkin abt

[heady onyx]

smogon spreads done by non-players

[keen karma]

Are you talking off of facts or just like talking

[mighty stump]

Most non-smogon related i.e. VGC and BSS spreads arent done by Smogon players lol

[heady onyx]

The smogon ones must come from somewhere 😉

[mighty stump]

The VGC player base is tiny and self-contained/self-sustaining

Oops, I meant the Non-Smogon spreads aren't done by VGC players

Anyways

Why bother going there when again, you have far better available resources

[mighty stump]

Eh, the greater your understanding the more you want even your generalist spreads to be non-max as there are baseline thresholds players will alwyas want to hit surrounding the metagame

[heady onyx]

Look at that Amoonguss suggestion on Smogon for reg E

[mellow barn]

Because I like checking other resource and not be blinded by just one.

[heady onyx]

236 HP180 Def4 SpA84 SpD4 Spe clearly someone who looks at the math side of things and doesn't play VGC lol

[keen karma]

I guess the time has come where i need to make spreads

[mellow barn]

True true, I actually prefer more spread for survivability

[brisk hatch]

I wanna use dusclops and Bloodmoon.

Who do you guys suggest to bring to deal with amoongus

[mighty stump]

Yeah but it's not blindness lol

It's knowledge knowing where the good stuff is

If you want to check multiple resources you're gonna end up at a place like Game8

[keen karma]

😂

[mellow barn]

Of course, but data is everywhere, some good, some bad.
And knowing them you have better understanding critically what to trust and what to avoid.
Learning what is a good source and using it to make your team.

[heady onyx]

No data will tell you to put Amoonguss on the field and protect it instead of clicking Rage Powder trust

That can only come from playing games and predicting opponent

[keen karma]

What are you talking about

[keen karma]

And what is your point

[heady onyx]

Protect / Clear Smog with no explanations

[keen karma]

This is a good set

Its preference based

[mighty stump]

Protect is fairly common on Amoonguss

[keen karma]

Some ppl like smog others like protect

Other 3 moves are book

[mighty stump]

Clear Smog is for the Dondozo matchup

[heady onyx]

No explanations why Clear Smog xD

[mellow barn]

True and that's where player experience and knowledge of the game comes from.
You want to deal Amoonguss? Build around that idea.
You want Flutter Mane dead? Have a possible answer.
Wanna use a strat that may throw off meta plays? Learn what is the meta.
I don't expect to know everything but that what's help us learn and become better trainers.

[mighty stump]

But the point stands, theres no explanation

[heady onyx]

Just give option Protect/Clear Smog

[keen karma]

They’re coming soon

[heady onyx]

Same line, no explanation

[heady onyx]

Format is over in 40 days xD

[mighty stump]

They have been coming soon for VGC 2016 formats too

[mellow barn]

Time to make most of it before DLC drops

[mighty stump]

I don't know why you're pointing things out like that when I'm just trying to redirect people to real resources lol

[brisk hatch]

You guys wanna help me build around dusclops and Bloodmoon?

Part 1 deal with amoongus

Lol

[mighty stump]

Either run Taunt on Dusclops or you run Wisp and you self-Wisp your own Bloodmoon

Preferrably you just run Wisp

Taunt is my own personal preference.

[charred saddle]

do you get the master rank ribbon even if u dont bring the mon to the 4 and win?

[mighty stump]

You do

[charred saddle]

oh noice

[brisk hatch]

Booster flutter with taunt??

[mighty stump]

No? Dusclops

You can also just run a Fake Out mon next to Dusclops to guarantee TR

[brisk hatch]

I got brick break,wisp,disable and TR

[mellow barn]

I mean Game8: Hell no, Smogon: perhaps but critical, Pikalytics: great but most spreads are Maxed so...Munchstats: fine but eh... Professional players and experience: Priceless

[mighty stump]

If you don't have Night Shade, you're trolling

[brisk hatch]

@mighty stump weakness policy on Bloodmoon

[mighty stump]

and i;ll just repeat what I said

Night Shade/Brick Break/Wisp/TR

I don't see the point of Disable when you plan on just deleting things

Taunt actually prevents moves pre-emptively while Disable means they have to move first

[brisk hatch]

Gotcha

[mighty stump]

So to deal with Amoonguss

You can just Side Wisp your own Bloodmoon Ursaluna

I personally also run Tera-Grass Dusclops to allow for that play and prevent Redirections from stuff like Sinistcha as well

[keen karma]

Gothi bm is so good

[mighty stump]

Since the whole thing is to ensure WP gets triggered

[heady onyx]

You can run Misty Terrain on Specs Flutter, saw this at LAIC and it's a big brain tech

[brisk hatch]

@mighty stump also I haven't been using eveolite on clops

Been running mental herb

[mighty stump]

That's

I can understand why

But that's pretty terrible for the double ups

[keen karma]

I started running Scarf flutter + torkoal

Its too good

[mellow barn]

@mighty stump If you don't mind, could you take a look on this one?
#competitive_discussion message

[gentle crag]

theipex (ID 393869173593210887)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
Hey, since there will be few weeks before DLC drops, I wanna reach the highest possible rank in ladder. I have already reached Master Rank with this team, but I hope to get some feedback on how I can make it better. The team is James Baek's team that won Regional, but with slight changes on Tornadus.
https://pokepast.es/5e941daeafca5102
Thoughts on each member:
Tornadus: Though Covert Cloak is better, I used Sitrus for more health and Ghost as defensive tera. Rain to buff my other water pokemon and general set up.
Gholdengo: While I do like it's bulk and just power on Make it Rain with Nasty Plot, I have noticed I don't use it very much. And I had few games where it has failed me. Possible pokemon I would take out.
Hisuain Arcaninen: Good doggy, good damage and Tera Fairy is good on it. Mostly used Rock Slide and Blitz.
Urshifu (Rapid Strike): Very offensive pokemon, like it very well. Able to scout and Surging Strikes works well. Though I admit, I can see Detect on this one, but not sure if I should.
Iron Hands: One of the best pokemon, able to counter Mane, Tornadus and Urshifu. Definatly wanna keep it in team.
Ogerpon: Honestly, I see it as a counter for Urshifu and while power and games won because of her, she feels bit lacking something.

Feel free to give suggestions what to improve for current meta that we still have before DLC.

Command triggered by theipex. Message from · Nov 21, 2023, 1:00 PM

[keen karma]

Isnt this just james baek

[mellow barn]

Yes

[keen karma]

Then uhh

[mellow barn]

But I wanna improve it for current meta

[keen karma]

What do you need his help with james did a team report

[charred saddle]

saw a lot of 44hp 44 sp def urshifu. what does it calced for btw

[keen karma]

Go off of his team report and adjust it to mus based on what he says

[mellow barn]

I guess, but was hoping for second opinnion 🤔

[mighty stump]

I dislike minimal investment Lefties Gholdengo when Life Orb can be an option. You don't miss KOs and can actually start setting up
No need to run Detect on Urshifu unless you dont plan on running Scarf anymore. Scarf is there for better endgame pins than any other Urshifu variant.

Ogerpon Wellspring and Ogerpon in general to me just feels Meh, I don't see why you cant easily fit something like Rillaboom on here

[lofty tartan]

Lorb hype

[mellow barn]

That's what I have been thinking

[brisk hatch]

God I can't wait to get H-top

Wide guard

[mellow barn]

Would you consider Landorus on this or Hisuian Arcanine still better intimidate option?

[heady onyx]

wdym saw a lot ?

[charred saddle]

lots of regionals team with ursh runs it

44 hp 44 sp def

[lofty tartan]

I think Harc is still fine here.

I have seen a lot of 44/4 hp/def but 44/44 hp/spDef is a bit newer to me

[heady onyx]

I know 180 adamant kills what you need and this spread must be using like 200-ish speed

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/39f61bd255d75301

this is the other team

[heady onyx]

might be carry over leftovers bulk

[lofty tartan]

Two teams is not necessarily a lot but it's likely they were in the same testing group or the spread circulated. Best way to figure out what it does is to reverse engineer the calcs

So like check it vs the biggest offensive special threats

[charred saddle]

i remember theres other team haha, but yeah point is i wanna know the spread choice

yeah that could be it

[heady onyx]

might have used this one and called it a day lol

[lofty tartan]

You generally reverse engineer it or you ask the people who made the spread.

[heady onyx]

180 adamant is the sweet spot to kill things on favorable roll with tera water scarf

[lofty tartan]

I really doubt a high-end player like James Baek would just slap a random Pikalytics spread on one of his Regionals picks and just "call it a day"

[brisk hatch]

This season Is the only season I haven't finished in top 20k master ball tier.
Hell I can't get out of rank 10..
I haven't been playing much tho so I guess I've let me play slip

[lofty tartan]

That is not how they do their spreads

[heady onyx]

high end players generated Mons and got disqualified using cheap generation

[lofty tartan]

Lmfao

[heady onyx]

so who knows, if you gen your EVs you clearly are in a rush xD

[charred saddle]

thats a shitty other take.

[lofty tartan]

"Hey man it sure is rainy today"

"I don't like fish"

[heady onyx]

that's not shitty, that happened

[charred saddle]

why dont u ever understand my point

[lofty tartan]

There's a lot of reasons that people gen that isn't "I'm short on time"

But this argument is old and stupid and non-pertinent to "top players don't slap random EVs on their stuff"

[heady onyx]

180 attack is the sweet spot to kill things with tera water neutral damage, this might just be best spread for overall bulk optimization

while retaining speed tier for scarf wars

[charred saddle]

dude stop just saying sweet spot to kill. i dont understand vague things.

and im asking the hp adns sp def spread not atk.

[lofty tartan]

I mean the one thing my coach tells me the most is "If you don't know what an EV spread does then you have no business using it"

[charred saddle]

vague things can lead to misunderstanding

[heady onyx]

not vague, 180 attack EV, a lot of speed, rest in bulk

[charred saddle]

ok ill just stop

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it's better to just let him fizzle out there

[heady onyx]

tryna help here

[lofty tartan]

So the thing that was being asked was about the bulk investment, but it's cool.

[heady onyx]

yes, specific EVs to speedcreep 196 mirror at 212, sweet spot to kill at 180 tera water on adamant

then overall bulk to live 100% dgleam bulky flutter

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/you-missed-the-point-stick-animation-pun-gif-8425073

[heady onyx]

rest in def

you say revers eengineer spread, am doing it

[lofty tartan]

There's literally no reason to just go to 180 and dump 44 in spDef for no reason

That's not reverse engineering. You actually have to calc it

[heady onyx]

live dgleam bulky flutter

[heady onyx]

????

[charred saddle]

damn. reverse engineer spread genius

[mighty stump]

Well I can tell this is getting out of hand

So

Stop

[heady onyx]

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

I use this to see damage roll, put spread and check popular ones

reverse engineer is that no ?

[lofty tartan]

You were just repeating thresholds for speed and attack

But I'm gonna respect Tofu here and stop engaging you.

[heady onyx]

180 attack adamant kills lot of things neutrally, 212 scarf creeps 196shifu scarf most non jolly lando. bulk is dgleam live bulky flutter rest is def meta physical

[lofty tartan]

I'm gonna be real - I didn't ask.

Stop pinging me.

[heady onyx]

you say to calc it, I'm calcing then you say no ask

[mighty stump]

What set is this?

[heady onyx]

wtf

[charred saddle]

the 44 hp 44 sp def ursh

was asking why is it used

[lofty tartan]

Good lord. It's James Baek's spread - my part in it was explaining to @charred saddle here how to find out what a spread does

I didn't ask him to calc it for me

[mighty stump]

• I don't understand by "180 attack kills things neutrally" Its either going for a bump/its a dump and its not a bump
• 212 hits 216 which outspeeds Adamant Lando-T as aforementioned.
• The "bulk to live bulky dgleam flutter" is also too vague to actually count as a calc, especially when things are being played at a regional/tournament level, you're not expecting people to run auto-input spreads from the calculator, plsu you already live Gleam by just Teraing, and you never live Moonblast

[lofty tartan]

I also don't see how Urshifu survives DGleam on 44/44 hp/spDef from even a 0 spA investment Flutter so.... 🤷

It'd have to be like Booster Speed or Sash specifically?

0 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Dazzling Gleam vs. 44 HP / 44 SpD Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 182-216 (100.5 - 119.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[mighty stump]

You're always forced to Tera

The other alternative is to check against something like Tornadus

and the bulk to check against Wild Charge from Hands or a -1 Tera Blast from Lando-T or something

Context of the rest of the team matters if you want to reverse engineer

[lofty tartan]

4 SpA Tornadus Bleakwind Storm vs. 44 HP / 44 SpD Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 144-170 (79.5 - 93.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[mighty stump]

Overall its why I never recommend it anyways

[lofty tartan]

This makes sense.

Bulky Torn but not offensive torn

[mighty stump]

Just reach out to your creators people

If they don't reply, tough titty

[lofty tartan]

^^^

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

At the end of the day its preference whether or not you care about knowing what your spread does

I do, its why I reocmmend making your own or finding noted ones

[lofty tartan]

No he's right. I did it after Toronto

Got a TON of amazing information

Typically these folks are happy to talk VGC and spreads and you showing interest is exciting for them

[charred saddle]

is it normal to ask the creator suddenly tho by some rando in internet

[lofty tartan]

I did it.

I'm about as random as it gets

[mighty stump]

Im lucky enough to not be a random

[charred saddle]

you at least appeared at regionals once

[lofty tartan]

ONE DAY, TOFU

[mighty stump]

Well

Im pretty random enough

[lofty tartan]

I'm trying to secure a Limitless page by the end of the season 😐

[mighty stump]

Go get it Mika

@charred saddle Theres a Indo timezone friendly tour upcoming

Saturday

[charred saddle]

oh really?

[lofty tartan]

That's sick

[charred saddle]

anyone can apply?

[mighty stump]

Pejuang Turni di server kita

[mellow barn]

When will Scandinavian tourneys come?

[mighty stump]

Dalam Diskusi VGC

[lofty tartan]

I almost like 100% couldn't make Charlotte - now it's like... pretty good likelihood

That I'll actually make it.

[mighty stump]

Good stuff

[lofty tartan]

Ideal case is finding someone to split room costs with - but if I fly out of Boston it'll only cost like 260 bucks

Just gotta make the 5 hour drive to Boston first

[charred saddle]

Disconnection

"Ah yes, the common occurrence in most Asian countries"

[mighty stump]

Not wrong

Lolol

[charred saddle]

btw whats a 4 Swiss Rounds?

[mighty stump]

So you play 4 sets

[charred saddle]

4 sets of BO3?

[mighty stump]

Yer

[lofty tartan]

I'll let Tofu explain all this - I gotta go fill a tank with kerosene

[mighty stump]

I mean thats asbout it

I dont really think too much about it other than

"show up"

"play game"

[charred saddle]

yes sir

[keen karma]

do you think gholdengo can play a tailroom team?

[mighty stump]

Probably

Tailroom just depends on how comfortable with speed tiers yo are

[keen karma]

im good at maneuvering against tr and tailwind

when im not running either tw or tr

but i havent played tr that much at all

[charred saddle]

tofu, about rentals. if i changed the EV spread, does the rental mon EV change or do i need to refresh it

[keen karma]

i was thinking mence dengo armadd

[lofty tartan]

You need to update the rental

[charred saddle]

does it change the code?

[lofty tartan]

Yes

[charred saddle]

fek ok

[mighty stump]

Refresh it

[keen karma]

https://pokepast.es/d724f21f663009af

this is what i had in mind

a pretty basic team

actually i think moon is better here what do you think tofu

[charred saddle]

cough cough self proc WP endure weak armour armarouge

[lofty tartan]

Lmfao

[next stump]

Mika I’m glad you’re likely able to go to Charlotte 🙂 That’s awesome

[lofty tartan]

I'm really excited for Reg F too

Thanks! I'm really hoping it all comes together 😄

[next stump]

I’m the test dumby of Reg F with Portland LOL

i’m so tired of being at regionals during the first week of a format hahah

it’s happened 4 times now

[charred saddle]

if we do a spread moves

ie. gleam, and the one of the opposing mon protects. does it still count as spread? as 20% reduction

[orchid falcon]

morning guys

[lofty tartan]

I'm glad Charlotte isn't at the exact beginning of Reg F so I have some time

[keen karma]

Are you going too???

[keen karma]

You’re going???

We should get practice matches in

[lofty tartan]

I have 3 alarms set for Registration going live tonight

[keen karma]

Im going too

[lofty tartan]

So fingers crossed I get in 🤞

[next stump]

yes it still counts as spread

[next stump]

nope, just Portland

[keen karma]

What time does it go live

[lofty tartan]

7pm EST

[keen karma]

And where*

[lofty tartan]

https://overload-events.com/CharlotteRegionals#

[keen karma]

You sign up here?

Bet

[lofty tartan]

That's where I sign up - right on the TO website

There's 864 seats for Masters but they can go quick

[next stump]

go to the RK9 VGC link for Charlotte

[karmic temple]

San Antonio next month Ayy

[keen karma]

I think im senior

Wait no im master fuck man

[next stump]

how old are you

[keen karma]

17

[next stump]

ye master RIP

[keen karma]

do i need to make an account

[next stump]

you need a Play! Pokémon trainer account and an RK9 account

[gloomy crescent]

Hai everyone

[keen karma]

is there like steps somewhere

i really gotta go to this tourney

[next stump]

those accounts are super easy to sign up for

just go to the websites

[charred saddle]

opposing lando just hit a fissure

what

[keen karma]

do i need to do this

[gloomy crescent]

I hate pokemon log ins they suck

[next stump]

I don’t think you technically have to

[charred saddle]

is fake out faster than prankster reflect from grimm?

[next stump]

yes

[charred saddle]

[fathom geyser]

Does anyone wanna play a few games with me? All I got are a few outdated teams from previous seasons but I'd like to get a feel for the current one.

So I know what to build for this one y'know.

I can play in more or less half an hour

[charred saddle]

in cart or showdown? im playing games rn so i can play after it

[fathom geyser]

Either one

[charred saddle]

sure lets play on cart

lemme finish my game in a bit

[fathom geyser]

Alright, I'm still on my way back home I'll message you when I'm there. Won't take too long.

[bold geode]

Fake Out +2 priority
Prankster is +1

[charred saddle]

oh

didnt know prankster is +1

so doesnt it means that u can E speed faster?

[bold geode]

Nope

[keen karma]

how do i find my play! id

[gloomy crescent]

Wait there is +priority?

[dapper crag]

Ability: Prankster

This Pokemon's non-damaging moves have their priority increased by 1. Opposing Dark-type Pokemon are immune to these moves, and any move called by these moves, if the resulting user of the move has this Ability.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[charred saddle]

E speed is +2 right?

[gloomy crescent]

So extreme speed has +2

[next stump]

go to your profile on the Play Pokémon website

[bold geode]

So basically any status moves, meaning non attacking moves, get +1 added priority
Which is why Grimmsnarl runs support

[gloomy crescent]

And aqua jet has +1

[keen karma]

is it just the username?

[gloomy crescent]

As aqua jet was slower than extreme speed

[dapper crag]

Move: Extreme Speed

No additional effect.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Priority

2

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[gloomy crescent]

Yeah I knew it

[charred saddle]

E speed > prankster?

[bold geode]

So if Grimmsnarl uses Fake Out, it's still +2, not +3

[next stump]

No, it’s a 7 or 8 number ID

[charred saddle]

no i mean E speed to a prankster tailwinds or so

[bold geode]

Yes Espeed faster than Prankster

[dapper crag]

Move: Quick Attack

No additional effect.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

40

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

30 (48)

Priority

1

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[charred saddle]

hmm interesting

[gloomy crescent]

I wanna see what it is

Bruh

[charred saddle]

E speed is also faster to common fake out users.
dragonite E speed > fakeouts then

well it has inner focus anyway haha

[keen karma]

i dont have one

[bold geode]

Although you don't really have to worry too much about Espeeds killing before Tailwind setup, unless Tera Normal CB Dragonite with Chien Pao

[next stump]

Are you on the website? Can you send a screenshot of the page

[charred saddle]

yeah, i just wanna know it for future reference

[bold geode]

Also won't Charlotte be Reg F?

[next stump]

you cannot e speed before fake out I’m 99% sure

[dapper crag]

Move: Fake Out

Has a 100% chance to make the target flinch. Fails unless it is the user's first turn on the field.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

40

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

3

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[keen karma]

i just got it

[next stump]

+3 versus +2

[keen karma]

now im putting in my address for the website

[bold geode]

Fake Out is +3?

[charred saddle]

oh FO is +3 kek

[next stump]

yes

[gloomy crescent]

This priority is insane

[next stump]

rage powder is +2

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Charlotte is Reg F

[bold geode]

I always thought it was +2

[lofty tartan]

Or SHOULD BE

[next stump]

which is normally the contention for E Speed users

[keen karma]

what is this tho

[next stump]

🤷‍♂️

[dapper crag]

Move: Follow Me

Until the end of the turn, all single-target attacks from the opposing side are redirected to the user. Such attacks are redirected to the user before they can be reflected by Magic Coat or the Magic Bounce Ability, or drawn in by the Lightning Rod or Storm Drain Abilities. Fails if it is not a Double Battle or Battle Royal. This effect is ignored while the user is under the effect of Sky Drop.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

20 (32)

Priority

2

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

Move: Ice Shard

No additional effect.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

40

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

30 (48)

Priority

1

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[gloomy crescent]

Oh come on it isn't good omg

[bold geode]

Peddle your business bro

[gloomy crescent]

Stop having ice very weak

[lofty tartan]

Higher priority vs lower priority =/= good

Ice Shard has been used on things to pick up KOs

[bold geode]

I miss the snow Articuno teams a little bit actually

[charred saddle]

calm mind umbreon tera fairy

[lofty tartan]

Play one 😄

[bold geode]

Nah
They were easy to beat

[fathom geyser]

If a multi hit move hits a Pokémon with eject button, does the move continue after? I completely forgot lol

[charred saddle]

iirc it continues till the move is done, then it ejects?

[keen karma]

bruh im so nervous

[charred saddle]

ive only seen it once, i dont remember

[keen karma]

does vg name matter?

[fathom geyser]

Alright

[charred saddle]

wait dont take my words

i might be wrong

[keen karma]

@lofty tartan since you are potentially going wanna run friendlies to prepare ahead of time

[charred saddle]

holy crap. steel tera make it rain dengo does so much

[lofty tartan]

Well Charlotte is gonna be Regulation F so it has a bunch of stuff that isn't released yet and a metagame that no one knows.

I can do friendlies sometime but this week is Thanksgiving so there's a lot for me to do, then I have an MSS/PC coming up right after that so I'm gonna be pretty busy, because I have coaching before then

After December 2nd I have more time, but that's also my last sanctioned event until Reg F

Between whenever Reg F goes live on Showdown and Charlotte, though, I'll be practicing a lot.

[keen karma]

same i need to solidify a team

and fast get a ton of games with it

im literally only playing bo3 ladder

[fathom geyser]

I can play now

@charred saddle

[charred saddle]

oh crap just got into another game

ill lyk mb

[abstract cape]

I have made a team can someone take a look?

[fathom geyser]

All good

[fathom geyser]

I might not be able to help but why don't you show it?

[charred saddle]

hmm does AV rilla usually run more bulk?

theres no way my flutter lives from grassy glide with 60ish hp

[fathom geyser]

Av?

[charred saddle]

assault vest

[charred saddle]

im done. send the link battle code in dms

[fathom geyser]

From what I've seen so far ting lu just gets beaten out by water ursgifu or chien pao

[abstract cape]

on?

[charred saddle]

no im replying on monarch

[fathom geyser]

Sent it

High brow codes only obviously

[charred saddle]

if you arent going for scarf better to get detect on urshifu. if youre not going for scarf, tera water stab move + mystic water is nice

[abstract cape]

ok

[fathom geyser]

Which rules should I pick?

[charred saddle]

ehh i dont remember haha

[fathom geyser]

Official 3 or just flat?

[charred saddle]

official i think

oh flat 4 fits

i mean as long as its the usual one

idk about the rusles

[fathom geyser]

They're GS cup 2

So flat it is

[charred saddle]

btw sry if i used the reg E team knowing u are using the past reg, just started playing this regulation

dont have past teams

[fathom geyser]

Gg

[charred saddle]

gg

[fathom geyser]

That's what I asked for lmao

One more?

[charred saddle]

sure

im fine with playing bo3 too

i can send you my team sheet if u want

[mellow barn]

The one time opponent got lucky with Ice Punch

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/9dddceb0cd8165ba

if u wanna look into it

[fathom geyser]

I'm good

Not in game tho I kinda got mauled lmao

I should've seen that coming lmao

[charred saddle]

crit doesnt matter

+2 ohkoes torkoal. even if it didnt erupt less dmg

gg

[fathom geyser]

Gg

Is it fine if I switch teams?

[charred saddle]

sure

[nocturne holly]

hello

what are yall upto

[fathom geyser]

Playing games

Gg

This should be checkmate cuz of rillaboom right?

[charred saddle]

yep

gg

[fathom geyser]

I didn't know suckerpunch failed if the move used was faster

[charred saddle]

if it has prio

i just used sucker to cover other moves

[fathom geyser]

I thought it'd just go first lmao

One more or do we call it ggs?

[charred saddle]

sure

[fathom geyser]

Do win button teams just not work anymore?

[nocturne holly]

bo3 👀
lemme sepctate

[fathom geyser]

It's on card, not showdown

I'm getting it handed to me if that helps lmao

[nocturne holly]

oh

RIP

[charred saddle]

i mean i can stream it

[nocturne holly]

sure im down

[gloomy crescent]

Is anyone allowed to post their rental team?

[nocturne holly]

wdym?
you can post in the rental team channel

[gloomy crescent]

Im stupid

Wai did I ask that

[charred saddle]

just follow the format iirc

[nocturne holly]

@charred saddle can you increase the volume on stream 😭
it helps me focus lmao

[charred saddle]

my capt card cant have sound haha mb

[mighty stump]

Im gonna just warn anyone reading now I do take the channel excessively seriously so do follow the format

#rental_teams is kept nice and tidy and I intend to keep it that way

[charred saddle]

thats a speedy amoonguss

[nocturne holly]

oh it alr then

is tr up?

[charred saddle]

nope

clear smog doesnt clear booster right?

[nocturne holly]

no

[fathom geyser]

If only I hadn't used up my tera on dragonite lmao

Gg

[charred saddle]

E speed dragonite without chienpao feels a bit bad

[nocturne holly]

tbh that was winnable
spore into flutter

[charred saddle]

im done for the day, got early class tomrrow

[fathom geyser]

I just slapped it on the team to have a better match up to indeedee tr

[nocturne holly]

and pelipper could maybe sweep

[charred saddle]

flutter was faster. hurricane doesnt do enough to rilla

[fathom geyser]

That pelipper had not much chance to survive

[charred saddle]

its AV rilla

[nocturne holly]

max max sash??

[fathom geyser]

It's sash but not max max I think lmao

[nocturne holly]

probably wouldnt have, but maybe with some good rolls and sleep turns pelipper could do it

[charred saddle]

hmm one thing i didnt take account for. protect in amoonguss wins the game

[nocturne holly]

amoonguss def lived a hh and shadow ball

[charred saddle]

i doubled to kill amoonguss lol

[fathom geyser]

I rarely ran protect on amogus lmao

[nocturne holly]

@fathom geyser what item on amoonguss

[fathom geyser]

On the rain team sitrus berry

[nocturne holly]

mhm amoonguss survived

so the play was protect amoonguss

[fathom geyser]

It was special invested

[mighty stump]

Cant wait for the people complaining about Blueberry

[nocturne holly]

blueberyy?

[charred saddle]

blueberry?
as in phone? /j

[nocturne holly]

🫐

[mighty stump]

Man I missed Blackberries

The custom light indicator I gave for my crush