Arcades - Fighting Cores

[midnight aspen]

CPS2, Neo Geo, cries in the street fir Mortal Kombat

[bronze stream]

CPS3 can’t some soon enough!!!!

[sharp pine]

I’ll fight ANYBODY! you want some come and find me on PSN CHUMP!

[timber condor]

That’s neat, some sort of stream overlay?

[stone crypt]

a discord friend made it for me some time ago.

just found it deep in old files on my HDD

[topaz prairie]

Found my instruction book for DOS street fighter 2 at my parents today

[cerulean dirge]

I know people are excited for the CPS3 core, but I would've prefer the work on a Mortal Kombat core first because of the midway arcade hardware

[topaz prairie]

I hope he skips Mk1 and 2 and does UMK3 first but I know it won’t happen lol

[sharp pine]

I’ll fight anybody!

On psn

[sharp pine]

I hope he skips all of em and goes straight for NBA JAM!

[topaz prairie]

PS1 nba jam roster hack is prettttty sick

[sharp pine]

ANTETOKUMPO!

The hack I have has Shaqs voice slaughtering Gianni’s name every time he makes a basket or dunk

[silver knot]

I wonder if any time is "saved" from the CPS3 core's development due to work already being made on the SH-2 in the 32x and saturn cores or if you'd pretty much have to do that work again

[drifting smelt]

Anyone know what specific rom revisions of the capcom games are the go-to ones for tournament setups? There’s like 3-4 of each game and I would like to set up a folder just for them

[topaz prairie]

I started assembling one a while ago but never finished it

I was also removing the core credits button from the MRAs

[timber condor]

Haha smart. Don’t want to accidentally pause for tourney play.

[topaz prairie]

yeah we learned the hard way a couple times

[drifting smelt]

did not know that was a thing you could do

[timber condor]

Yeah neither did I, frankly. I learn so much from this discord!

[native echo]

Arcades - Fighting Cores

[sharp pine]

I’ll fight anybody on PlayStation RIGHT NOW!

Who want it?

[umbral anvil]

Where are you located and what games? I believe other than GG Strive it's kinda hard to rely on netcode on other stuff.

[sharp pine]

Midwest USA ! But it’s Christmas your challenge will have to wait

[umbral anvil]

I'm actually in Brazil. So "a bit" far away. LOL
But I think GG Strive works ok.

PM me once you're up to it.

[torn roost]

For neogeo why doesn't it save the settings for the bios I put. It goes back to Europe/ Arcade. On the pocket it actually saves? Put it to Japan Arcade and it loads like that every time. Maybe I did something.. I put the basic pack in.

[queen phoenix]

Does anyone know where I can get or build CPS2 rom hacks? There are several great hacks (eg Darkstalkers - Boss mode) that don't seem to be in Mister.

[topaz prairie]

@queen phoenix in the options for update all there’s one for “arcade offset” that you want to turn on, it’ll grab all the hacks

[drifting smelt]

arcade offset needs to update the Alpha 3 Mix hack they got, there's a few newer revisions

[queen phoenix]

Thanks, grabbed those but there are still quite a few hacks missing. Anyway to add to these?

[topaz prairie]

you can add your own rom, and make a .mra for it with a little tweaking

you've basically just gotta change the hash in the mra to match the rom you're using

we did it for Vsav AE before it got added into offset

you can also message Atrac17 about getting new games added

https://twitter.com/_atrac17

[drifting smelt]

friend of mine mentioned something he saw about being able to assign specific USB ports to p1 and p2. Is that something that exists now?

[lusty python]

yeah its an ini setting that was recently added

[drifting smelt]

awesome

I'll look into it!

[lusty python]

also the option to disable turbofire shortcuts was added to ini recently. both great additions

[drifting smelt]

that will definitely be much simpler for running games at locals

[topaz prairie]

ooh thanks for the reminder

[drifting smelt]

so I looked into that yesterday and was a bit confused on how you configure that in the ini file

[topaz prairie]

turn it to 1

oh wait, thats for the disable autofire

the USB ports one is a little more involved

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/blob/master/MiSTer.ini#L141
theres an explanation of how to get the controller ID here

[drifting smelt]

how do I pull up this USB debug log?

[golden wolf]

I found those IDs previously by running cat /var/log/messages | grep "input:"

[whole osprey]

Woah.... Mystic Warriors looks cool

Would be awesome to have that as a core

[cyan nebula]

He's been silent on that one for a while, right? CPS3 stole the spotlight.

Kind of a shame because Street Fighter and Capcom generally are already so well represented

[drifting smelt]

yeah, I think when he polled patrons on what board to focus on next CPS3 got the lion's share of interest, unfortunately

personally I was way more interested in that Cave board

[glacial moat]

Street Fighter 2 Rainbow Edition, is it actually playable on MiSTer? I recall seeing the rom and not booting

[topaz prairie]

yes, use the arcade_offset grouping those are known working

some of the alternate rom ones are picky and people have lots of issue with

[glacial moat]

@rare willow

[rare willow]

im stupid, what is the arcade_offset

[glacial moat]

I think you can enable it on update_all

[topaz prairie]

Yeah it’s basically a curated list of romhacks

[rare willow]

oh sweet, going to check that out tonight

[south pebble]

Challenge with MK, MKII, NBA Jam is the requirement of a separate daughter board PCB to process audio on the original Midway Arcade PCB’s. JT and team are exploring solutions. It’s a bit messy if you dive into the weeds here.

Remains to be seen if Mister will require a separate PCB OR JT team will be able to implement within the FPGA.

[topaz prairie]

i got impatient and bought a UMK3 cab a month or so ago to tide me over : )

[south pebble]

Haha sweet!

Yea I have the og PCB also

[topaz prairie]

and im settin up a Pi for the other gaps the mistercade doesn't cover

Avengers in Galactic Storm, SF:The Movie, etc

[south pebble]

RGbpi makes for a great filler if your building for a cab

[topaz prairie]

i will probably get one of those for my taito bartop i plan on modding

using a consumer tube for the pi for now. trying to get the HDMI->YPbPr adapter setup goin

[drifting smelt]

Sf the movie on mister would be sick

[topaz prairie]

That’s a stretch lol but it’s funny to poke around with here and there

I booted it up yesterday and round 1 mashed my way into like a 15 hit 80% damage tatsu infinite

[drifting smelt]

It’s an underrated game

It’s not a very good street fighter but it’s a very cool fighting game

[cyan nebula]

The Arcade version is a mess and just fun for novelty. The home versions where based on SSF2 but lack the visual quality of the arcade original sadly.

[drifting smelt]

Underselling the arcade version

The online scene that’s developed for it over the past couple years has done a lot to rehab the arcade sftm, it’s legit interesting

[topaz prairie]

its a nightmare hellscape for mashers lol

its very unique for sure

there was dude who got kicked out of the scene for using a macro that just mashed repeated shoryukens when he held it down, and it took a while for anyone to notice bc thats just how you play that game normally

[lean nacelle]

Hi all,

I hope everyone is well. Has anyone compared the sound from games on the CPS2 core to the Saturn ports? I noticed last night that my Saturn puts out far superior audio quality for Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter. The Saturn's sound was one of the first things that really impressed me when I recently got my Saturn and it sounded great across games. Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter is probably one of if not the best sounding games I've heard on Saturn and from this era in general. Everything is of a much higher quality; there is more separation and distinction between sounds and between voices and BGM, a wider stereo field with amazing panning between left and right speakers, and the sound quality across the spectrum is better (high, mid and low end). The spatial sound sounds like what QSound is meant to be.

I use a Sony Trinitron 21x5U, RGB lead from Retro Gamine Cables for my Japanese MK1 Saturn, running the game from a Satiator. And I'm using Retro Computer Shack's RGB lead with my MiSTer, which puts out a fantastic image, it looks as good as my Saturn going from one to the other.

I asked a friend last night and he told me that CPS2 had a QSound module that could be used to get stereo and that the Jamma edge is mono, and that this may be why I noticed the difference. But it sounds to me like the game is running in stereo on MiSTer. So, might it just be that the Saturn has superior sound output? Or, could it be due to the lead I am using for my MiSTer?

Article on QSound:

https://segaretro.org/QSound?fbclid=IwAR2lKlxwTHOrKAVKd-qQaTjYMsBL0gvFIG_SfbF3nuY-ZszqG9reVHTIOQ8

Kind thanks and happy gaming

[topaz prairie]

Do you have a DAC on your mister?

if you're just using a 3.5mm plug the analog out is not the greatest and you should consider getting a cheap dac and comparing again

[lean nacelle]

Hi @Kjoq, thanks for replying. Yes, I'm just using the 3.5 mm plug beside the VGA connector for analogue out. No, I don't have a DAC, I will look into that! Is it something I can just plug into my MiSTer? Thanks so much.

Ah, my friend who is well-versed in arcade stuff just told me that, '... to get the q sound benefits of the arcade versions the cabinets came with a specific QSound amp'. He shared with me this image,

[topaz prairie]

the 3.5mm is also a TOSlink port, and you can get something like this https://www.amazon.com/PROZOR-Digital-Converter-Optical-Toslink/dp/B00KNNSKV0/

[lean nacelle]

Thanks, @topaz prairie.

[lean nacelle]

But it was just brought to my attention, does the CPSII core actually support QSound? If not, there might not be much point in me getting the converter.

[topaz prairie]

If you are as concerned about audio quality as your comments imply it’s going to be worth throwing $10 or whatever at a cheap DAC. It will improve your sound across all cores on mister. I’m not positive if it supports Q sound, but that’s largely just marketing mumbo jumbo for “we stuck stereo audio on our boards”

This vid confirms what I thought that the core does support it though https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_LYher0Up9U

[lean nacelle]

Thanks, @topaz prairie. Yes, I found out earlier that MiSTer's CPSII core does support QSound. Note that the video above is for CPS 1.5. I'll take a look at some DACs.

[topaz prairie]

I know it is, but they share a lot of stuff

[glacial moat]

@rare willow, not sure if anyone talked about it, but Rainbow Edition is confirmed working, what a beautiful mess of a game

[floral sentinel]

I dont know if anyone else is having this issue. Hyper Fighting is only allowing me to set jab and medium punch.

This just started happening right after I did an update all

I'm making sure it's just hyper fighting

[winged galleon]

Is it CPS1 game ?

[floral sentinel]

Yes

The other SF games are letting me set all 6 buttons

[winged galleon]

yes the updates MRA permits just two buttons JT changes too many things and didn't check the result
you will find the MRA that permits to have six buttons

[floral sentinel]

Sweet thank you!

[echo pier]

Hi - sorry to ask, had anyone had issues with the CPS changer for SF zero? Far as i noticed the LK buttion seems to not work even after mapping it.

[cyan nebula]

No issues here

[clear ruin]

https://twitter.com/_atrac17/status/1641563104676052992

atrac17 #CoinOpCollection (@_atrac17)

It has begun...

#CoinOpCollection #MiSTerFPGA

Twitter · Mar 30, 2023, 10:08 PM

https://tenor.com/view/shang-tsung-it-has-begun-windy-gif-12038108

[topaz prairie]

lets goooo

[modern ravine]

Is that due to jt updates or did someone other come in?

[earnest dagger]

It appears to be pram0d + atrac17

[clear ruin]

Sweet. Is this pram0d's next project after NARC?

[earnest dagger]

Unsure, latest update says they have the boards and schematics, but no info on progress. I 'infer' it's coming after Narc and SmashTV

[clear ruin]

I suppose this is the next board they're targeting then: http://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=610&page=1#1119

I checked atrac17's replies on the tweet and he mentioned that NBA JAM and MKII are not in the works so we can deduce they're targeting the Y Unit, not the T Unit

[earnest dagger]

Yes, he has stated Y Unit

I 'think' T Unit is in Jotego's backlog. 🤷

[modern ravine]

What isn't in there?

[clear ruin]

Mortal Kombat is part of two boards, the Y unit and the T unit. The T unit also has MKII, NBA Jam, NBA Jam Tournament Edition and the Judge Dredd prototype. It's a more complex board

[modern ravine]

Oh I know the hydra 🥲

[modern ravine]

Umk3 was such a bliss for cleanliness, though the board always sounded like it would crack any second

[drifting smelt]

I imagine a working Y Unit would lead into T Unit and then Wolf Unit

Jotego's got enough on his plate he's not finished with so I'm fine with someone else doing this

[clear ruin]

Yeah I’ve heard Mortal Kombat’s in the pipeline since 2020 from Jotego. Frankly it’s better that someone else is working on it. When Jotego finishes CPS 3 he’d probably focus on PGM anyways

[drifting smelt]

I'd be on board with that

maybe by then NGPC would be almost done

[topaz prairie]

PGM into the MKs+NBA jam is pretty exciting to have on the horizon though, I won’t lie

[clear ruin]

Jotego could also go back to the Sega Scaler games or the System 18. Lots of possibilities there. What I’m getting at is that he’s def not prioritizing MK so let someone else do it imo

[drifting smelt]

100%

I did see in today's update he got a new CPU person in to replace the old one who was struggling hard

and specifically noted the Neo Geo Pocket's slow progress as an indicator

[crimson fable]

I honnestly feel he may have bitten of more then he can chew with the amount of cores that hes announced

If he hadnt announced ngpc when he did robert might have taken it on

[drifting smelt]

At this pace it better have a 2p fork

[drifting smelt]

sounds like NGP work stopped in December when the old CPU guy left, his current plan is to have the new person finish the Konami arcade cpu and then focus in entirely on neo geo pocket to get that wrapped up. Fingers crossed

[haughty notch]

You could read his weekly updates for a while and know that intern/new grad wasn't going to work out

You could feel the disappointment in his wording every week.

[hallow cargo]

My most looked forward to core, besides the improvements to Japanese PC ones. NGP is my favorite handheld of all time.

[drifting smelt]

I'm still hoping a 2p fork is doable on Mister, the Switch's implementation of vs modes on the fighters is good but Mister would be more convenient

[hallow cargo]

Indeed. Do the switch ports have netplay?

Would have loved some 2 player back in the late 90/early 2000s but I didn't know anyone else who owned one

Seems like a Neo Geo CD pad or the updated PS2 NGCD pad would be ideal for a potential core

[drifting smelt]

they do not

I think folks just play them online using Switch emulators

[hallow cargo]

Going to hazard a guess and say no rollback

[drifting smelt]

not at present. There was someone working on it but they decided to narrow their focus to just making it work for smash bros

[hallow cargo]

Sigh, of course..

Never liked Smash games at all personally

[timber condor]

Nooooooooo!

[hallow cargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkCCpCFp2Pw

[cyan grotto]

Was wondering if i should get a dac, as i indeed mosty play via vga and headphone jack..but i could also go toslink from ioboard to amp right? In that scenario dac doesn’t have added value

[keen rain]

if an amp is taking toslink, it has a dac built into it

[cyan grotto]

I guess the train of tought to still go dac would be if the analogue boeard also had a poor toslink. But assuming that is not the case

[vernal gate]

toslink is digital. It works or it doesn't. There is no quality loss possible if it works at all.

[cyan grotto]

True, having said that i am a bit surprised the analogue out board has a relatively poor audio jack option. And i have had case where using hdmi cables which worked great on x360, had issue with ps3. Which in theory is also digital! It seems my (retro, late nineties) amp unfortunately doesn’t have a toslink port, so will most likely order something similar to the dac which was suggested earlier.

[cyan grotto]

Interesting! Is it just confirmation bias or do i see a hint of ’the hound’ in the face as well?

[hallow cargo]

🤔

[cyan grotto]

Hi, so the dac arrived, but silly me assumed the analogue io board had a mini toslink! And i only have the audio jack, which i now assume to have the option to do digital out to the dac as well? But how do you (or anyone else, please share) go from mister to dac?

[hallow cargo]

You have an Analog I/O? It has miniTOS through the 3.5mm jack

[cyan grotto]

yup, anologue 6.1 board i believe

so on the io board side i connect a audio jack cable....with has mini toslink for the dac?

[hallow cargo]

Yep mini toslink goes in the 3.5mm jack

[topaz prairie]

It’s a sneaky port

[cyan grotto]

but i would need either a cable with 3.5 jack male on one side, and toslink on the other

Or some kind of convertor?

[hallow cargo]

I use a minitoslink to regular toslink cable to go to my DAC

They are cheap on amazon, dont bother with gold connectors its all optical/light based

[cyan grotto]

Thank you haha, now that i see an image of full size toslink it makes sense! 😅

and adapters exist i see now

found one for 2,15, with next day delivery, think i'll go that route, although a cable is more sturdy or at least i would assume so......hrmmmm

[hallow cargo]

Its just a tiny little glass filament in there, you dont need to spend too much

[cyan grotto]

a cable is 7.39...but lemme check ama

[cyan grotto]

aaaaaaaaaand its on the way, digital sound goodness aways (and a german copy of ps4 ninja saviours :S )

[cyan grotto]

working! no more weird pops n cracks when booting cores, and ninja saviours is a pretty decent game as well, even came with a manual stickers and a poster!

[hallow cargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nw7HTDm4OA

[daring lodge]

He shouldn’t have included that pc game in the list.

Everything else had to pass enough QC to get past a publisher.

[hallow cargo]

I mean.. you arent wrong

[hallow cargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs6Dip4S7b8

For those unaware

The General is pretty much the most cheap bullshit fighting game boss of all time

Even got a cameo in High Score Girl

[gritty atlas]

Not sure if this is the right area. Did the Shinobi core ever get a public release?

[somber sundial]

That's Sega system 16 right? It's been public for a while.

[gritty atlas]

D'oh! I had the old Jotego demo one stuck in there. Deleted and reupdated and it's working fine. Thanks!

[hallow cargo]

https://youtu.be/q1o92TVm2uk

[drifting smelt]

Great game

[daring lodge]

Reading who made it it’s shocking it’s as good as it is. Importing all that digitized footage takes time.

[hallow cargo]

Everyone needs to know about this masterpiece

[sharp pine]

Looks lame

[hallow cargo]

It's fire

You dont even know

[sharp pine]

Does it work on the AO486 core ?

[hallow cargo]

boots up core

[daring lodge]

It barely works on a real 486

[hallow cargo]

It runs, but crashes after starting a new game

[sharp pine]

Lameness

[hallow cargo]

Rusty doesnt run right either, alas

[ripe crag]

Something to look forward to once the F3 core is out.

[haughty notch]

Does FX Fighters work on AO486?

[hallow cargo]

Judging by its system requirements, it should run OK.. I can try it at home later if no one else does

[hallow cargo]

#1047332497492553799 message

@plush oak tested it and it appears to work, but might freeze at points.

[lusty python]

using a different memory manager is a good recommendation there. some games freeze with certain ones so it might well be the case there too

[topaz prairie]

https://twitter.com/griffybones/status/1648066043183521792?s=46&t=HWVuKjRVwZ90DwvT2xG9-w

RIZE | GriffyBones (@GriffyBones)

Rakuga Kids advanced combos and unblockable explanations Youtube video

Put together a collection of some more advanced combos in this cool obscure fighter for the Nintendo 64.

Also showcasing and explaining the "Old Type Guard" unblockable setups I found

Link in reply below

Twitter · Apr 17, 2023, 8:48 PM

[modern ravine]

why can't capcom ever be more original

[sharp pine]

SFVI BETA INCOMING!

https://tenor.com/view/ok-okay-lil-wayne-gif-3829041

[hallow cargo]

https://media.tenor.com/oEj4seY7kwAAAAAC/droopy.gif

[sharp pine]

You might like it … they showed a ton of noob friendly features like one button combos

[hallow cargo]

Oh boy, gotta get my CVS2 Gamecube groove on spams c stick in all directions

[hallow cargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Xv-KWGPBI

T-800 flexes with Robocop SFX, priceless

[sharp pine]

Worse control scheme ever ..

[plush oak]

#1047332497492553799 message - FX Fighter might work after all on ao486

[haughty notch]

Oh? Reading

[lusty python]

Street Fighter Alpha 3 with the RetroTink Slot mask 1440p:

I feel like when my CRT's eventually give out, I will be happy enough with these settings on a modern display.

SFA3 - 1440p Integer
--------------------
Filter Hori: Gaussian Sharp 60
Filter Vert: Scanlines-Adaptive\30_70
Gamma: Poly 2.3
Shadow Mask: RetroTink Slot```

[south pebble]

I have this game on PC! I remember getting this for my Tandy1000 way back when haha

What a nostalgic trip to experience this again on AO486

[plush oak]

Unfortunately, the main issue for this game would be the lack of an FPU on ao486, as pointed in the Computer Cores channel's findings. Might be also some other things that help in crashing it, but 10-15 mins you can enjoy it with Quickware Q87 FPU emulator

For sure not a solution, maybe some other emulators might help, though I am skeptic about it. Will do some more tests for fun later

[thorny summit]

Has there been any update on the CPS3 core? Been itching for some SF3

[south pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-tight-bear-grylls-you-vs-wild-out-cold-wait-waiting-gif-23429825

[thorny summit]

Damn 15 man months potentially! That’s a big effort for sure

Thank you for sharing!

[daring lodge]

I wish they’d done PGM instead. Cps3 gives us third strike which honestly plays amazing online with fightcade.

[drifting smelt]

3s scene wants cps3 so they don’t need superguns

[south pebble]

Fightcade is nice, it's no replacement for OG hardware or anything close to what Mister can provide. (if it's possible)

Most people had no idea what PGM was until it was announced for Mister

demand for CPS3 has a hell of a lot value on the tournament scene, esp once available through FPGA.

[drifting smelt]

That said I also wanted pgm more for the cave shooters but surpassing cps3 demands wasn’t happening

[cyan nebula]

Democracy my friend 😉

[timber condor]

We have enough shooters, need more fighting games

[keen rain]

maybe the fighting games were the friends we made along the way

[drifting smelt]

Pgm has fighting games!

[timber condor]

…really?

[drifting smelt]

Like 2-3 of em

Killing Blade and Martial Masters

[timber condor]

Oh

[drifting smelt]

I think Spectral Vs is one too

[timber condor]

I accept your terms and conditions

You drive a hard bargain but it’s a good one

[topaz prairie]

yeah realistically PGM has more games that will get played by a broader audience, but i just accepted 3s is gonna take precedence

[modern ravine]

Loud minorities win, shmupoligists don't have time for that

[south pebble]

Why not both? 😉

[modern ravine]

Cursed

It will obly burn in that damn logo

[south pebble]

naw logo doesnt stay long enoug, life bars can 🙂

JT has has folks focused on multiple projects, although I prefer CPS3 over PGM, required effort for both will probably see PGM released sooner despite it starting later

I can clearly wait for both, it's going to be sweet to load them all on a single Mister when they finally launch

I just installed a RiddleTV JAMMA switcher on my NAC to change between CPS3 and Mister.

[sharp pine]

Good lawwwd!

[hallow cargo]

Huh, didnt know cases were made for CPS3. Neat.

[south pebble]

Yea totally cool! A good friend who goes by Hursit from TR Fight Stick makes them. Currently out of production.

https://www.trfightstick.com/

Jasens Customs also has a CPS3 case as well

https://jasenscustomsarchive.com/product-category/arcade-pcb-cases/

[hallow cargo]

no SCSI CDROM, Im guessing this is for modded units

[south pebble]

you can still use SCSI CDROm with this. It'll be external of course. Most folks are using SCSI2SD adapters with a Dark Soft SuperBios Cart

[hallow cargo]

I figured that was the case by now

I do remember using a CPS3 method to phoenix my Hyper Anniversary AIO CPS2 pcb

[south pebble]

Looking forward to CPS3 Core for sure, hardware is already breaking $1500+ per PCB now. I'm fortunate to have three lol. FPGA will solve a lot of that worry in addition to having schematics to repair and replace parts on the PCB one day.

Win/Win for all

[hallow cargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L13Kj5Rlew

[abstract mango]

I have a silly question - next Friday MiSTer FGPA machines are being used for a Street Fighter Alpha 2 tournament here and I have been messing with mine and noticed that only the Euro version of the game is there. Unfortunately Evil Ryu was added to the USA version... is there anyway to flip over to the USA version or find an MRA file for it? I know it sounds like a dumb question... just wanted to make sure.

[south pebble]

If you’re using update_all check Alternatives folder. Find “Street Fighter Alpha 2” folder. All alt mra’s are available there.

[topaz prairie]

The other thing I recommend is editing your .MRA to remove “core credits” from the button mapping, it’s at the very bottom. This will remove the chance for unintentional pauses

[abstract mango]

@topaz prairie AWESOME! Thank you everyone.

[hallow cargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGx1iZfCweA

[hallow cargo]

FGC meetups @sharp pine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoRxkSG3yNo

[sharp pine]

You would fit right in bro !

[hallow cargo]

Nah, no one has enough class to play SNK

🧐

[ripe crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bocAwgcQIHk

I've never dipped my toes, is it really like that?

[topaz prairie]

Tournaments are a blast. Been going for 15 years now. I’m actually headed to cinci here in a couple hours for an event

[hallow cargo]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Xa5bDQYIqA9C4oGSxQ/giphy.gif

[plush oak]

#1047332497492553799 message - update on FX Fighter issue on ao486 🙂

[sharp pine]

SF VI BETA IS OUT!!

[hallow cargo]

Imagine playing a street fighter game in 2023

That could be me

[hallow cargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjPsv8Azp84

[sharp pine]

Bring it bro!

I am currently playing final fight within the battle lobby for SFVI

[graceful thunder]

I haven't heard anything on the official forums in two years, so I gotta ask: do people think Killer Instinct is possible on MiSTer?

[timber condor]

Possible? Sure. It’s not the hardware that’s the limitation, it’s the complexity of analyzing and reverse engineering the chipsets to work on MiSTer. Which is very time intensive and requires a highly specialized set of skills to do if those chips haven’t already been ported.

[lusty python]

Isn't the "Ultra64" hardware in that more advanced than N64? That seems like a hurdle, if so

[hallow cargo]

Setting up a little MAME pc with a GUI frontend might not be a bad idea I think

Its not FPGA quality, but the library is there

[timber condor]

I thought so too until I looked it up. For a layman the answer is "it's complicated" because on paper the N64 hardware is much more powerful. You can compare the two with this chart: https://www.cpushack.com/MIPSCPU.html

The N64 uses the R4300i and runs at 93.75 MHz with 4.6 million transistors, while Midway's KI hardware is a R4600 running at 50 MHz and 1.9 million transistors (https://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=614).

[graceful thunder]

I know nothing about coding. I'd do it myself if I had the know-how.

[lusty python]

Seems pretty daunting either way. Maybe the smaller size is due to them not having the 3d polygonal portions in there? I recall 3d in KI2, but not 1. Memory speed requirements are probably massive for the arcade hardware either way though

[timber condor]

Ohhh there was 3D in KI2? I don’t think I played the arcade sequel.

[daring lodge]

Killer Instinct used some basic 3D for a handful of stages in the arcade version of 1. Can’t recall if it was the same for 2.

Backgrounds in KI were a glorified video file where it just seeked to a position that matched where you were standing in the stage.

Except for the rooftops which was a simple 3D structure, which is why the camera could actually zoom around on it.

[timber condor]

It’s been so long since I played the arcade versions. I remember really enjoying them though. That video background was seriously impressive at the time, even when knowing it was a video.

[daring lodge]

It was an incredibly clever way to look impressive.

[hallow cargo]

Those pcbs used IDE hard drives IIRC

[proud knoll]

Yep they did

[timber condor]

The MSU-1 Killer Instinct patch is pretty cool. Includes a lot of FMV and audio from the arcade.

[graceful thunder]

I love old fighting game arcade flyers. I wish I had the room to collect them.

[timber condor]

@carmine anvil use this channel

[sleek yacht]

Well look at that.

[timber condor]

my bad, I’m sorry

[sleek yacht]

The real channel was inside us the whole time.

[timber condor]

Thanks again to @dreamy glen for calling it out

[topaz prairie]

lol

[carmine anvil]

This place is big now baby

💪🐱💪 OH YEEER

[hallow cargo]

😮

Other people posting in the fighting game core channel?

[carmine anvil]

It looks like text has come from other channels and merged with place. I woke up and saw all this thinking it happened in my sleep until I noticed the time stamps. The original messages I posted don’t even exist anymore.

[hallow cargo]

I been in here a while fighting the good fight

[carmine anvil]

I’ve been trying to create some hacks for some training mode for cps2 titles and I think I bit more than I could chew

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-dumb-duh-gif-13669009

[hallow cargo]

Perhaps boss unlocks would be a good starter

[topaz prairie]

the real question is why do you want a training mode for HSF2

[carmine anvil]

Just to make labbing like picking up a different character for example easier instead of having to go through the ladder or turning on another controller to fight a 2p dummy and having to restart that over and over. Me especially, I like to pick apart characters I play down to a science, so it helps someone like me alot.

🐸 wait, am I the only one who wants these things ?

[hallow cargo]

.. so. We should play on Fightcade again sometime, Deli.

[carmine anvil]

😈 yes

[hallow cargo]

But now, I have improved my control setup.

[carmine anvil]

Oh yeah ? You busted out the Saturn controller ?

[hallow cargo]

yah

Im pro yo, I dont even use a stick 😐

[carmine anvil]

ok I’m down whenever

[hallow cargo]

Sometime this week for sure

Scouts honor

[carmine anvil]

Sounds good ta me.

[carmine anvil]

I’m surprised capcom hasn’t brought back this foo from street fighter 1. You’d think a ninja would make it sooner than everybody else but still no geki.

[topaz prairie]

it was more a jab at HSF2 cause it kinda sucks compared to ST

[carmine anvil]

What’s different between those two

[topaz prairie]

HSF2 is the one where you can pick what version of SF2 your character is from

and it has some extremely busted chars that kinda fuck up the game

most namely CE Bison and WW Guile

Super Turbo is the one people actually play competitively

[carmine anvil]

That makes sense. I still mess around with ST. I was just never aware of all the differences between the games. Why is ce bison the worst offender ?

[topaz prairie]

Psycho Crusher hits 6 times on block and can randomly crossup in the middle

[carmine anvil]

That’s crazy. Why’d they give him that 😂

[proud knoll]

what does WW Guile have?

[topaz prairie]

Insane frame data on booms, huge hitboxes on his normals, and flash kick hitbox is enormous

[hallow cargo]

Ironically Deli despite the cheapness of the legacy characters I was having the most fun with ST Blanka

[carmine anvil]

He looks fun. So fast. And his shock move is nice

I have to check out the properties of ww guile’s booms and range of his flash kick and see how busted it is. I actually do like playing as cps1 guile. Hyper fighting is where I messed around with him the most.

It’s hard for me to choose one forever. Because part of me likes being able to have a meter to spend for super but I also like doing mad damage with the old bnb combos

👊🏼 KWA-PSH KWA-PSH

[carmine anvil]

Probably the scariest he’s looked too

[proud knoll]

haven't played ST in a long time but I mained Ryu and Blanka. Blanka was pretty fun, but I always felt like I had a hard time really getting in on some characters, even with the blanka balls. His throw is quite good though, especially if you use something like the hop to get in throw range

[topaz prairie]

yeah Blanka Ball not having invul holds him back a bit

upball is active on F1 but will still lose to shoryus and stuff

[proud knoll]

feels very mid tier, but like most characters in ST, there's those godlike players out there that make them work even in some of the awful matchups

[carmine anvil]

Bad matchups are really interesting to watch play out on sf2

[proud knoll]

unless it's claw vs anyone lol then you know how it's gonna go

[carmine anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnamflashback-gif-7780922

Oh yeeeeah

[hallow cargo]

https://youtu.be/xYxjIIqRL0o

Poverty ❤️

[carmine anvil]

That reminds me of some fighting game I’ve seen recently for the first time. Dong dong never die. Looks fun too

[carmine anvil]

You seem well versed in sf2 shtuff. So lemme ask you this. When it can to being able to cancel your super from normals. Did capcom intend for players to be able to use things like a renda cancel to confirm into super or was that players just messing around with what you could do in the engine ?

[topaz prairie]

pretty sure it was a happy accident

like even c.MK xx Super with Ryu requires you to buffer one of the qcfs

[carmine anvil]

You have up until the very first active frame of the c.MK to finish the input right ?

[topaz prairie]

I forget the exact specifics, i think its that you can't buffer super inputs during hitstop

[carmine anvil]

I think that’s what’s been screwing me up with the cancel with guile

[topaz prairie]

and there's not enough cancel frames from the 2MK to just 236236 after it

so you have to do 236 2MK 36+P

i suck at doing guile super combos

[carmine anvil]

I can sort of do his jab renda cancel every now and then. It seemed like turbo hd remix made it a little easier to link into supers but I’ve seen someone go in with a jump heavy and do his crouching strong into super. But now that you mention the hit stop thing, I’ve been going at wrong. So the game won’t accept any inputs during the brief hitstop? So you’re supposed to do your input after hitstop ?

[topaz prairie]

off a single hit like that

you just gotta let it rip

[carmine anvil]

🍑💨 BRRRRRRRRRRR 😂

[topaz prairie]

you know the shortcut input for guile super right?

[1] 3 7 +K

[carmine anvil]

I think so, I can’t remember the number meanings but it’s like rolling the stick from downback to upfoward kick ?

[topaz prairie]

downback -> downforward -> upback + K

[carmine anvil]

Oh yeah yeah

[topaz prairie]

instead of DB, DF, DB, UF

[carmine anvil]

I never knew that was the shortcut cause I would always roll the stick that way with all the charge characters who use the delta motion because that feels more natural

[carmine anvil]

I think my wrists would break if I ever tried to do a yoga inferno cancel

What game is that from. Why does that look like Jerry Senfield 😂

[hallow cargo]

Survival Arts lol

Don't forget the most powerful Pro-Gear Spec

[carmine anvil]

That sounds a lot like the neo geo startup

[hallow cargo]

Indeed.

[sharp pine]

https://tenor.com/view/streetfighter-ibuki-dont_touch-no_no-gif-5470915

[carmine anvil]

Need moar ninja

[hallow cargo]

Have you considered Mortal Kombat then

[carmine anvil]

Ibuki is the best ninja though.

And yes but I like the way SF plays more. Even though I like the general design of mk better

Sf has like 2 ninjas. Ibuki and what’s his nuts. Deku or whatever the hell his name is. Deku these nuts

[sharp pine]

Zeku’

[carmine anvil]

Yaaaaa the strider fella

[carmine anvil]

😼

[sharp pine]

I believe he is the dude who taught guy how to fight

https://tenor.com/view/street-fighter-alpha-guy-final-fight-spinkick-gif-18278148

[carmine anvil]

yup zeku deez nuts is his master. guy was always my pick for final fight and i messed around with him a little bit in alpha 1. hes a cool character. he gets a thumbs up from meeeeee

also has probably one of the coolest aerial supers i ever seen in a bideo game

[hallow cargo]

My favorite Akuma is Alpha 1 Akuma

And my favorite Dan

[carmine anvil]

with the chain system akuma sounds like he would be busted

[sharp pine]

He is OP in alpha 1

I play ryu in alpha 1 or charlie

[carmine anvil]

charlie is my main in the alpha games, can do some neat things with him there

OMG i did it, i connected crouching strong into super but i was barely paying attention so i dunno exactly how i did it

[hallow cargo]

Deli is learning tech

But he still wont win against me and my Saturn controller.

[carmine anvil]

will a change of controller be that much different ?

[hallow cargo]

Considering I was having some annoyances with qcfs on the SNES pad, yes

[carmine anvil]

how in the hell do you do multiple button presses like x3 punch on a saturn controller

[hallow cargo]

You dont XD

I never said my preferences were ideal

[carmine anvil]

true, its a interesting selection, i cant imagine going back to anything from a stick now

[hallow cargo]

Disclaimer: ||Batty is not and never has been a member of the fighting game community||

[carmine anvil]

i thought you said you were

[hallow cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-creasing-forehead-the-office-office-absolutely-gif-11888908

[carmine anvil]

im in it to win it

[hallow cargo]

A turtle. I have decrypted your strategy.

[topaz prairie]

with 3 fingers

[carmine anvil]

that seem like it would be so uncomfortable to play

[topaz prairie]

its how i use 6 face pads

[carmine anvil]

what is that

[topaz prairie]

like saturn pad with 6 face buttons

[carmine anvil]

thats what you use too?

[topaz prairie]

i mostly play on Stick but i have some 6 pads i mess with

[carmine anvil]

THATS YIU?

[topaz prairie]

lol yeah

[carmine anvil]

thats insane. i can only do standard launcher and normal magic series into special or heavy punch or kick. wooooow 😮 thats wild.

thats a nice monitor too

i use charlie and cyclops, dabbled with wolverine briefly but im still very noobish

[topaz prairie]

I’m way better on stick than pad lol

I’ve learned some Charlie stuff recently, I know cyke pretty well

[carmine anvil]

how long did it take you to get the gist of doing really long aerial combos, thats technically an infinite that can keep going right ?

[topaz prairie]

Not that long once I sat down to specifically learn them

I can teach you a Cyke inf in like 5 minutes

[carmine anvil]

got ZAMN, medals and all, i see that vampire savior in the background too yeah ill take any advice for these games

[topaz prairie]

So the easiest easiest one with him is just throw into the corner, then jump straight up and do LP MP HP, land repeat

To set it up I usually do the launcher version though

[carmine anvil]

medium punch for the launcher ?

[topaz prairie]

Launch with sMp then on the way up LP LK MP MK HP (slight pause) HP again as you start to fall, then HP right at normal jump height

Then you land into the rep

You may find doing a 5 hit string easier than the LP MP HP

So LP LK MP MK HP

[carmine anvil]

his double jump doesnt factor into this ?

[topaz prairie]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1nHtNGDfqrwYEGZBgLRvo25RZszmXM6jr0iF_C3Ybfwg/edit#slide=id.g4de7bceba9_0_137

You can add in double jumps once you get more comfortable

There’s a lot of variations you can use to manipulate height and spacing once you get a feel for it

Use Ryu or Cyke as your test dummy for it

[carmine anvil]

i guess its just a matter of time to learn the rhythm. this looks like a nice and easy guide though. stuff like this was nerfed in mshvsc wasnt it?

[topaz prairie]

Yeah, there’s some infs that still exist but they took most out

That game has great presentation but is super sterile to play

[carmine anvil]

thats what it looks like. and shadow charlie...

could you ever do the crouch cancel infinites in alpha 3?

[topaz prairie]

I’ve never sat down to learn them but I’m sure I could

There’s other things that use that same concept in other games

[carmine anvil]

yeah those dont seem too bad, i havent really tried either

[topaz prairie]

That same concept is basically how TAC infinites in 3 work

[carmine anvil]

i didnt know that. i got umvc3, i need to get on that sometime. i probably have the least experience there. whats harder in terms of execution, mvc2 or 3

[topaz prairie]

2

[carmine anvil]

i havent played it before, seems crazy

[topaz prairie]

I love 2

https://youtu.be/nvd620JxZH8?t=3986

[carmine anvil]

You played here ?

[topaz prairie]

Nah it was just a recent big tourney and a friend had shared that clip

I can’t hang with real mvc2 players but I know enough to do some cool shit

[carmine anvil]

Probably the fastest game I’ve seen in action

[topaz prairie]

Look at this round start lol https://youtu.be/nvd620JxZH8?t=5811

[carmine anvil]

How do people keep up with all the stuff flying on screen. That’s wild 😂 sentinel and storm look like a beastly combo.

[topaz prairie]

Yeah she can do air combo into super then DHC into sent super and he gets a combo after it, for like 80%+ and builds back a bunch of bar

And his assist is super good for helping her get a hit

[carmine anvil]

ZAMN. Optimal setup. It’s a shame they haven’t brought this game back on modern systems. I remember there was a tease some time back but only for it to be a arcade machine re release. I’d buy this on steam in a heartbeat

[topaz prairie]

It’s on fightcade

[carmine anvil]

thatll have to be the way for me

[proud knoll]

Marvel 2 is so wild, but I guess that's what like 20 years of playing gets you, some crazy ass meta

[carmine anvil]

the jump from mvc1 to 2 was huge. I like 1 even though it feels a little, I dunno.

[hardy ice]

It's definitely something to see a direct sequel jump the ridiculous advancement of the '90s. MvC1 was on CPS2, which was essentially a more standardized CPS1 (~1988) with bigger ROM sizes and Q-Sound, while MvC2 was on Dreamcast silicon.

[carmine anvil]

If I was old enough at the time that game definitely would’ve helped sell a Dreamcast to me along with sf3

With mk1 eventually on the way. Is it possible for mk2 and umk3 eventually you think ?

No one has ruled that out right ?

[hardy ice]

I was never a big MK guy beyond playing MK Trilogy on the shiny new N64 that I got for Christmas, but I'll say that the Williams/Midway hardware of that era was weird. I've found it remarkably hard to say anything definitive about it without digging into MAME code. Some games were ported between hardware generations, for example.

[carmine anvil]

I’ve always wanted to try umk3 I’ve played trilogy on ps1 but never the 64 version

[topaz prairie]

I’m hoping we get UMK3 down the line

[carmine anvil]

🤞 same, Cps3 I’m looking forward to the most for now.

Oh yeah you know there’s umk3 on gameboy color ? It’s not complete and it’s been in the works for a good while now but there’s a playable build of it and it’s pretty nice, waaaaaaaaaaay better than the official bad mk ports on the gameboy. So I hope that gets finished too

[proud knoll]

I so desperately want to play jojo on MiSTer lol

and 3rd strike

some of my favorites, CPS3 had some really pretty graphics

[carmine anvil]

Yeah. It would have been nice if capcom made a few more titles for the system. Like another street fighter with more of the original cast included.

33 games for cps1, 42 for cps2 and the 6 for cps3.

https://tenor.com/view/street-fighter-sf3-3rdstrike-necro-twelve-gif-20382954

[proud knoll]

yeah, so few but such strong titles it kinda makes up for it. I've definitely put thousands of hours into 3s and at least hundreds into Jojo. And maybe a handful into SF3 and Second Impact, and I've tried Red Earth once lol

[timber condor]

I never got the love for SFA3. Would be nice to play it again to see if it clicks with me now.

[hardy ice]

I feel like a solid chunk of the appeal of SFA3 was the announcer being a boss. Maybe my memory's screwed, but I could swear even when the CPS2 version goes into its legal warning the voice-over is like "THIS IS STREET FIGHTER ALPHA THREE".

[timber condor]

I think the game looks beautiful. I guess I was probably enamored by other games at the time.

I’m excited to play it again.

[carmine anvil]

You! YES YOU! must play alpha 3! I like all 3 alphas but alpha 3 is worth playing. They all offer nice things.

[timber condor]

I meant Street Fighter III, not Alpha 3 arrrrg

Alpha 3 is so good

[carmine anvil]

Oh ya, I’m with ya there, broski. I need to play moar sf3

[timber condor]

Yah my bad

[carmine anvil]

Who’s your main

[timber condor]

Maybe Chun-Li?

[carmine anvil]

Ooooh. The top tier

[timber condor]

What it is? lol

[carmine anvil]

That’s what I heard. That she’s one of the best In the game

[timber condor]

Ohhh that explains it haha

I don’t want to maim her but when I get beat with other characters I swap to her to win lol

[carmine anvil]

I use remy. Which I’m told is low tier but he’s still the closest thing to guile. So low tier or not, IM GOING IN 🥊😤

I think q is cool but he’s tricky for me

[proud knoll]

3rd strike is really fun once you get into it, I guess if I had to try to sum it up, the pace of fighting feels good, and parrying is a wonderful mechanic that takes a while to master, but opens up a lot of situations where normally you'd be force to just block stuff. It can completely change how you approach wake up and offense in general. Plus, a lot of the cast is quite fun to play

when I was playing a lot, I think I could at least do the basics with every character though I was quite terrible with Sean and Twelve

I mained Urien, Q, Dudley, Ryu and Ken

though I'd also play Makoto, Alex, Akuma, Hugo, Necro, Oro, Remy and the twins pretty frequently just because they all could be fun in certain matchups (and horrible in others lol). I guess I also didn't play a lot of Elena or Ibuki, and I almost never picked Chun just because I found it a bit too boring

[proud knoll]

respect for playing Q, we suffer but when we do win it's hype as shit

;_; also kara throwing is hard, I am bad at it

also Remy can be fun, I like that he has more movement options than Guile

[carmine anvil]

I can parry a little but more of the time I’m just blocking. I’ve only beaten the game like twice so I have barely any time in it compared to sfa,2 and 4. I only had a chance to play it relatively recently because the 30th anniversary game. I’m sure if I had access to it sooner I would’ve gave it a go. Because I did know of it and seen it, liked the general look of it. Never played against anybody online in that game, yet 😂. The cast of 3 looks very weird but cool. I was never good at the Kara stuff so I just always skipped stuff like that. I Kara the Kara.

[topaz prairie]

Kara throwing in 3s is pretty lenient it’s really not bad

[drifting smelt]

sf3 has too many weird and bad mechanics for me to really like it all that much

the button priority system is wack and I can't believe they brought it back for sfv, where, surprise, everyone hated it

judgment is dumb

and of course chun and ken eat everyone's lunch

[topaz prairie]

It’s full of good concepts but it’s just too different in how it plays out because of all the parry option selects at a higher level

I’m not a big fan. It’s usually telling that 3s folks really ONLY play 3s

[proud knoll]

To each their own. 3s was definitely the first fighting game I got proficient at, so the flaws kinda get smoothed over for me. Though, I was probably at like mid level as far as skill goes, on the occasion I fought really good players, the high level shenanigans definitely would get frustrating. Being crushed by Chun, Yun and Makoto is tolerable only so many times before you start to hate your character choice lol

Sf4 was fun for a while when I switched to that, though, I never really got good at doing FADC stuff, my input skills are not that good. Doing it consistently was tough

Never really clicked with 5, I enjoyed playing Mika in season 1, played Urien in season 2 and then kinda just fell off. Been enjoying 6 a lot though

Probably the most I've played fighting games in the last few years

[topaz prairie]

Yeah 6 is way better than 5

[proud knoll]

I'm actually excited to watch tournaments again

[carmine anvil]

yeeeee street fighter crew

[drifting smelt]

yeah I really don't like that parries devolve the game into 50/50 mixups

it's decently fun to watch but I definitely have attempted to play 3s enough times over the decades to say I'm good

[topaz prairie]

like jumpins are just completely useless

you will get parry punished every time

and if you try to empty jump they'll throw you or tech your throw

option select too strong

[carmine anvil]

That’s when I parry into Q’s standing heavy kick

HMPH

[wary jungle]

4 will be somewhat forgotten, 5 will definitely be forgotten. 3s will always live on.

[carmine anvil]

been trying to do this super cancel for like a day and half now. not like this bros....

[proud knoll]

in ST?

[carmine anvil]

ya guiles medium punch into flash super

i can do it the slower more reliable way. charge db, df,db+mp,ub+k. but the options are limited with that, im trying to be able to combo into it with the short cut. charge d, df+mp, ub+k a smooth motion i can do fine by itself but when i try to connect a normal from it, im getting nothin

[carmine anvil]

FINALLY!!!111!!!

[proud knoll]

nice

[carmine anvil]

thank ye, probably the hardest thing ive had to do in a fighting game

[wary jungle]

It's tough

[topaz prairie]

https://simultwitch.com/evo/evo2/evo3/evo4/evo5/evo6/evo7/teamsp00ky Evo streams are up

lol holy shit a blind honda player just won a set on stream

[carmine anvil]

That was a good day 1 of evo. I loled at the killer instinct balance patch. Was hoping for a new KI announcement but oh well

[carmine anvil]

https://twitter.com/_atrac17/status/1687611150979186688?s=46&t=H4-f-CNUM8sBhff7kh9teQ

atrac17 (@_atrac17)

I'm in a hostile environment. I'm totally unprepared. And I'm surrounded by a bunch of guys who probably want to kick my ass... it's like being back in high school.

#MortalKombat1 #CoinOpCollection #MiSTerFPGA

Twitter · Aug 4, 2023, 11:47 PM

So what is the process that’s happening here eh?

[topaz prairie]

hes starting work on the core

[carmine anvil]

😮 MORTAL KOMBAT, BROSKI!

[proud knoll]

hope it works out, I know NARC was having issues, though I don't know if that's more or less powerful than what MK1 needs

[crimson fable]

Note the dual sd ram mister in that pic he tweeted earlier

[carmine anvil]

funniest setup ive seen at evo yet. too funny 😂

[carmine anvil]

Why is modern controls even legal for sf6 at evo. If you used macros on whatever control you used, people would consider it cheating. They wouldn’t even allow you to play if they knew ahead of time you were going to be using something like that. But since capcom made the game and they themselves allow for one button specials it’s somehow magically okay against people who are doing it the way your supposed to be doing it ?

[west ice]

Maybe it's balanced enough that no one cares if it's Modern or Classic?
I was wondering if that will be the case too but I haven't seen any players complain about it

[wary jungle]

Modern does not give you the full arsenal of moves, it also does less damage (20%)

I think

Execution in newer games is a lot easier even with classic controls

[carmine anvil]

There’s been quite a few people who have been vocal about it. I can’t say the percentage but they are there. And for every person who did speak, there’s also people who definitely don’t agree with it but have just remained silent about it maybe because they feel their opinion wouldn’t change anything anyway. If someone at evo now said something, it’s not like capcom would consider changes. Instant specials is something good for someone’s who’s 5 years old or somebody’s grandmother but in the hands of professional tournament players who are playing for title and money, it feels weird. Half of a fighting game is execution, if you struggle with dragon punch inputs, your choices are practice or pick a different type of character. This stuff isn’t even hard anyways especially with the newer games. Learning this stuff is supposed to be every fighting game players rite of passage, you do it once so that way you don’t have to think about it again. I can’t make my brain accept that modern controls are somehow fair in a tournament setting.

Here’s the meat of the issue. Buffering your specials in consideration of your movements Is a staple in games like this. Having access to an instant special or super breaks that dance for the most part. It’s just less work on a modern players hands, but that’s why it’s explicitly cheating. So even with the damage nerfs, it’s weird

[carmine anvil]

Been practicing guile’s super links so much these past few days even the left side of my ribcage is starting to hurt

☝️😮 I been making good progress though. It’s getting more consistent.

[topaz prairie]

wanna play a set?

[carmine anvil]

On fightcade right now ?

[topaz prairie]

yeah

[carmine anvil]

Ya, im down

[topaz prairie]

I'm in the ST room, I can join HSF2 if you'd rather play that though

[carmine anvil]

Coming

[sharp pine]

They are called “woke” controls

And I love owning those players my Honda eats piece of shit woke giefs for breakfast

[gusty forge]

"I can't make my brain accept that leverless are somehow fair in a tournament setting"

[carmine anvil]

damn, i just got blown tf up by kajoqy. @topaz prairie am i just really bad or are you really good

[topaz prairie]

You were keeping me honest you need to adjust your gameplan a little

[carmine anvil]

yes, whats your assesment

[topaz prairie]

Use c.MP and c.LKs into c.MK as footsie tools more

Play more like a brick wall when the matchup calls for it, like gief/honda

there were several times i'd like mess up jumping a boom and get knocked down, and you'd j.HP at me instead of throwing more booms full screen

you're doing good with his command normals as like low crushes and to counter poke

you're not using s.MP or c.HP enough as AA tools when you dont have flash kick charged

you also didn't go for very many tick throws which he's really good at

because you can OS backfist/suplex after walking behind a boom for example

[carmine anvil]

that all sounds juicy, what is that that grab you do as honda sometimes when you jump in or do your butt slam, is that a command grab? how do you escape that ?

[topaz prairie]

reversal lol

its his oicho throw, hcb+P

but its glitched like honda/chun supers where you can 'store' the input

so if i do a hcb and hold back or db

as soon as i hit a punch its doing oicho

and it can be negative edged

so if i dont get the throw, im just blocking

[carmine anvil]

that was good experince, hope i didnt bore you. i was having fun even though i got beat. was trying to adapt with the best that i knew at that time, but you were better. couldnt even beat your chun

[topaz prairie]

no that was a fun set

i was hype when you hit that dizzy into the c.MP xx super

practice paid off

[carmine anvil]

that was the highlight for me lol

[topaz prairie]

oh thats another thing to try and work on /watch for more

you were giving up some times for jumpin c.MP xx flash kick

which is a really good damage combo to have consistent

especially off crossups

j.LK or j.MK

[carmine anvil]

yeah i need to do crossups moar. was a little nervous because you have very good timing on wakeups. but i think the attacking player can make it so they try to hit the start of the attacking frames as early as possible to interrupt it but i dunno

how long you been playing sf2?

[topaz prairie]

since likes 2006ish seriously

It was first board I bought for my cab

and my first real tourney game

[carmine anvil]

did you win at tournaments?

[topaz prairie]

I haven't played it much the last 10 years or so, just get a few sets in here and there

Yeah, I've won a few ST tournies and usually placed pretty decent overall

I made top 32 at evo in HDR

[carmine anvil]

😮 I WAS FIGHTING A EVO PLAYER!

[topaz prairie]

got to play on stage my first year there lol

[carmine anvil]

what year was this, who was you? honda or ryu

[topaz prairie]

2010 i was the Honda

[carmine anvil]

you get nervous when playing on the stage?

[topaz prairie]

i went 2011 for vanilla marvel also and got T65, choked my match to break top 64 against KillerKai

Nah not anymore

I've played on stage a bunch at this point

[carmine anvil]

thats pretty cool. all that wisdom walking around. must be a neat experience. its like the real world warrior.

[topaz prairie]

I've been all over the place for tournies

[carmine anvil]

overseas ?

[topaz prairie]

Yeah I went to Japan ~5 years ago

mainly for Vampire Savior but I played a decent bit of ST, XVSF, Cyberbots, etc while I was there too

[carmine anvil]

do the japanese play any particularly different ?

[topaz prairie]

Yeah a lot of times

Here's a real good match from combo breaker last year https://youtu.be/8qn6V1Lo6O8?t=7766

[carmine anvil]

yeah that was wild! your hands were flying

[topaz prairie]

The input for the anvil super is absurd....

LK HK MP MP Up

raging demon style

[carmine anvil]

omg lol

[topaz prairie]

and the pendulum is DP, but you can cancel it at any time with a kick, and do 2 per jump

and each strength has a different swing trajectory

so there's insane movement options

[carmine anvil]

hsien looks really hard to play at a high level

[topaz prairie]

she is lol, there's some really brutal matchups

shes basically right in the middle of the tier list, but she has bad matchups against everyone above her, and good to okay matchups against everyone below her

so in a tournament... obviously you're likely to fight more high tier chars

I've been brushing my fish up more and more recently

and Sasquatch

[carmine anvil]

nice. ive dabbled in a little bit of darkstalkers. its more harder for me to play than street fighter abit. i do like pyron though and qbee

[carmine anvil]

is turbo 2 for usa the standard for tournaments. ?

[topaz prairie]

I think it's actually turbo 3 offline, but htey use turbo 2 online because it runs a little fast?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw92iDYR-dY marvel top 6 just started

[drifting smelt]

It’s region specific. Turbo 2 US is about the same speed as Turbo 3 JP for St

If you mean Vsav it’s turbo 3 in general

[topaz prairie]

for ST, Fightcade uses US T2

[timber condor]

Man is a legend lmao

[west ice]

https://youtu.be/ztCHdvMV7zo

[carmine anvil]

No tekken x street fighter and no new killer instinct. It’s joever 😔

[carmine anvil]

Ooooooh yeah they did my boy reptile good

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-dance-reptile-gif-15453397

[topaz prairie]

see me in UMK3 sometime!

[carmine anvil]

Evo is ova but the sf6 matches were so good.

[proud knoll]

yeah it was a great top 6

[wary jungle]

Honda Vs Shotos is too tough a match up

[teal harbor]

What is the cat software called ?

[carmine anvil]

Arcade bongo cat stick

You can download it from GitHub. Easy to configure and also a version for hitboxes

[carmine anvil]

the best match i had with kajoqy. you dont want to see the rest of the footage where i get demolished

[proud knoll]

nice job on hitting those combos

super solid round

also remember, even when getting your ass kicked, the little victories count too. Hitting things consistently, making smart decisions, winning a round or an entire game, all signs that you're getting better

at least that's what I tell myself to maintain motivation XD

[carmine anvil]

thats the way i look at it too. he used alot of people against my guile. balrog, chun, ryu, honda, and gief. i dont have alot of experience fighting honda so that was nice. we had like 34 matches and i won like 4 i think. couldnt beat his chun before he had to go, she was too stronk.

actually 5 times i think because he used guile against me too

[proud knoll]

a wins a win, and in ST, every battle feels like a scrap for survival lol

[carmine anvil]

thats true, you die so quick in sf2. two combos and your dead 😂 throws do a million damage

[proud knoll]

and they start on frame 0

[carmine anvil]

and no escape....rip

[proud knoll]

tick throwing is also especially effective

[carmine anvil]

i need to start doing that more. i didnt do it much before because i didnt want to be seen as cheap but....SELF DEFENSE. i have to throw them before they throw me!

[proud knoll]

XD it is kinda nasty, that's what I'd do to my friends that had never really played the game much, they'd get super pissed when I'd just play ryu and tick throw over and over. To me, cheap in ST is like playing O. Sagat or if you pick Claw 🙃

[carmine anvil]

a good vega is scary

i dunno who might be the cheapest for me.....i guess whoever i lose to the most

[hallow cargo]

They sure love KOF97 in China.

[stone crypt]

Any CPS games that aren't Street Fighter series that are grounded and don't have air combos like MvC?

[carmine anvil]

Darkstalkers

[topaz prairie]

Gem Fighter / Pocket Fighter

the SF clones are all on other systems

like Breakers Revenge, Karnovs Revenge, TMNT:TF, Sailor Moon S

[drifting smelt]

Cyberbots

[topaz prairie]

Cyberbots is pretty much the antithesis of grounded

[proud knoll]

breakers revenge is some stupid fun

[topaz prairie]

sho just gets to do whatever he wants

[hallow cargo]

So I put together this list for @wizzo who is loading up his PS2 HDD, but thought I'd share it here too:

So these are: PS2: The good Neo Geo ports with clean 240p video and arranged music/no load times, upgraded Neo Geo games with more content from Taito Type X hardware, Atomiswave SNK games that are similar to Neo Geo games.

ADK Damashii (Japan)
Art of Fighting Anthology (USA)
Fatal Fury Battle Archives 1 & 2 (USA)
King of Fighters 2002 Unlimited Match (Tougeki, Japan)
King of Fighters 94 Rebout (Japan)
King of Fighters 98 Ultimate Match (USA)
King of Fighters XI (Japan)
Metal Slug 6 (Japan)
NeoGeo Battle Coliseum (USA)
Samurai Shodown 6 (Japan)
The King of Fighters: Nests Hen (NeoGeo Online Collection Vol. 7, Japan)
The King of Fighters: Orochi Hen (NeoGeo Online Collection Vol. 3, Japan)
World Heroes Anthology (USA)

Might need to get the Japanese versions for blood/bounce, but I think that would be my only complaint

[topaz prairie]

There’s a bunch of gold on PS2

And a bunch of hilarious Kuso

[hallow cargo]

Eh, yeah I wasnt going for the best games

Just the ones that dont have nasty 480i and forced blur filters, or no arranged music making it worth the bother

The US Orochi Collection is garbage honestly, so I didnt include that. The Japanese KOF collections have 95-2001 or 2 I want to say. I think 94/98/2K2 original Neo Geo versions are on the 94 Rebout/KOF98UM/KOF2K2UM releases, but the Neo Geo versions on those may not have arranged music options

A friend of mine a while back did some magnifying glass analysis on one of the Fatal Fury collections and found maybe a pinch of background compression in a stage. But its pretty minor.

Keep in mind its a list for casuals too, who would just want a superior Neo Geo CD like experience with arranged music and no load times. There are probably granular gameplay differences that would bother professional players.

[modern ravine]

I remember Xi and Tenka being 480i and also having no built in 480p for non jp releases

[hallow cargo]

Ill make a note, thank you. Which is Tenka?

[modern ravine]

Samurai Shodown 6

With XI you can see it rather clearly since some UI elements seem to be only 1-2 pixels tall

[hallow cargo]

Allright, so I changed the XI entry to the Japanese version. Atomiswave ports obv would be best in 480p, not 240p

[modern ravine]

Well, regardless of output resolution they never look right

AW XI is worse even, since it has the default blury filter over the character sprites

[hallow cargo]

Well not much to be done about that, and it would mean PS2 port is superior in that way I guess.

[modern ravine]

That way and also it has noticible faster loading times when played from hdd/ssd

[carmine anvil]

There’s always that point in fighting games when you finally get good at doing the move you’ve been practicing so long and then you have to start working on the opposite side. It’s like starting over

[carmine anvil]

guess it didnt take too long

[gusty forge]

Then the next step is magically landing it in a real match

[proud knoll]

practice cool highly specific punish for like 2 hours, never land it in a single match

reminds me when I play a set with my friend he always wants to go for flashy cool stuff, and then drops it, and I keep telling him just do the simple thing that you almost never drop 🙃

[carmine anvil]

This is why I always train things I know I will definitely use or feel is viable. I can’t hold hidden practices that I could never use in battle 😂. I stay away from highly technical things. I just try to maximize my damage 💪🏼😼

[hallow cargo]

Delis been leveling up

Bet I cant beat him anymore

[carmine anvil]

Oh no. We aren’t there yet. I’m still the same. Just trying to add some new things to the arsenal.

[hallow cargo]

Im a casual, I know better than to try and face these serious FGC players

[carmine anvil]

Well last matches we played, you won so still better than me

[hallow cargo]

Keep training with the monsters, you'll be better soon lol

[carmine anvil]

I must fight kajoq more and absorb his power

[topaz prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/street-fighter_2-grind-teeth-e-honda-honda-rrgh-gif-23087503

[carmine anvil]

MRRRPH

[carmine anvil]

fighting games are tuff, but i must remember that i am skronger

if one can do guile jumping fierce into standing heavy punch into super, they can do anything

[carmine anvil]

dere we go progress. im able to hit his crouching strong into super with like a 95% success rate. while p2 side is like 30 lol so yeah i got to work on that part. i always do better on the left side with charge characters. but the reverse with motion charcters. so i play way better with someone like ryu on the right side

[hallow cargo]

Can you do it with this?

[carmine anvil]

could i play with it? yeah lol. to do these tight supers with, im not so sure 😂

[hallow cargo]

Braver than I, that looks absolutely horrible

Wine cup technique? Nah not there

[carmine anvil]

yeah you gotta go full telescope hold on that

[hallow cargo]

Only stick skill I have is on the old ball bat style american ones that came with World Warrior kits (thats what my modular cab had for that 6 button drawer)

[carmine anvil]

oh those, the sausage sticks i call them. im not sure how i would do on those, as long as its square gate then i think im good.

[hallow cargo]

haha, sausage stick

I had a MK drawer too, had button sets for up to MK3

[topaz prairie]

lol, thats funny, we have a friend at the arcade who is a super old school arcade player and he always complains about sanwas "and these god damn spaghetti sticks...."

I played like 2 hours of Slap Happy Rhythm Busters with my buddy today

[carmine anvil]

🤔 havent heard of that before. ps1 though eh.

[carmine anvil]

do you prefer a saturn controller to a stick?

[topaz prairie]

its super stylish and pretty easy to pick up

has a funny rhythm game mechanic when you level 3 someone

[carmine anvil]

😮 just when you think you know it all, theres more fighting games to be dsicovered. it looks interesting. so many fighting games so little time ☹️

[topaz prairie]

we played a bunch of Angel Eyes last night too

and some SFEX2+

[carmine anvil]

i love the ex games. so fun and the music is great unlike street fighter alpha 3's original score hisssssss

[hallow cargo]

Yes, I love my retrobit one, have no issues with it. But do have an original pad so Im going to get a daemonbite adapter for it. Maybe Ill sell the retrobit one after

[topaz prairie]

I got a mint copy of the Prima Guide at the arcade in cinci a few months ago when I was there for a tourney

I need to learn it better, i have some friends that f'real f'real play it. I don't know any real excels

[carmine anvil]

same LOL. i need to practice the excel stuff. can only do normal combos and the super into super cancels. its like Vism for me though where its a style i dont really play often. mostly out of preference, i just like normal supers instead CC

[topaz prairie]

super combo wiki for ex2+ isn't too bad https://wiki.supercombo.gg/w/Street_Fighter_EX2_Plus

[carmine anvil]

huh, had no idea the last 40 frames of excel could be cancelled into super 😮

[carmine anvil]

im suprised you dont have a mega man or castlevania themed controller. if i could afford it. i would go crazy with customs stuff. maybe one day though 🥺

[hallow cargo]

The only Mega Man controller Id want would maybe be a much older official one. I think the 6 button genesis-alike PC gamepad that came with Mega Man X PC would be neat.

[carmine anvil]

that looks snazzy

[topaz prairie]

unfortunately heres how it actually released lol

and it got them in trouble because you could sideload roms

[hallow cargo]

Damn, Id have rocked that original design

Arcade 1up you screwed the pooch

[carmine anvil]

oof rip. its like looking at the burger on the menu compared to what you get

[carmine anvil]

thats a good deal

[hallow cargo]

Ohh

Its not really a Mega Man themed controller

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW4BfUkHyN0

That port was pretty decent for the day, though the midi music was kinda ass compared to the SNES music

[carmine anvil]

i do like me the color scheme of that one though, sometimes simple is moar better

[hallow cargo]

Sounds like the controller is a bit ass, though good PC controllers back then were hard to get in general. I had a gravis gamepad

[proud knoll]

damn, nice job!

[carmine anvil]

🤓🤌 thanks. Getting there slowly but surely

[topaz prairie]

https://vxtwitter.com/skillsmith_bug/status/1690950613230878720 @carmine anvil

https://vxtwitter.com/skillsmith_bug/status/1690908201242488832

[carmine anvil]

Oh my gawd. I forgot I had posted a video waaaaay back. Well 4 years ago. When ultra sf2 came out on the switch and I had started my jobber streaming and video posting, I had did a guile combo video. Usf2 is interesting because you can cancel into your super from special moves like the later games which is neat and lord knows what else they changed under the hood in that game. The video is a little shoddy because I literally had to capture the switch with my phone camera so no pc or capture card back then. Did it all on a switch pro controller as well. No stick back then.

There’s a really cool combo if you don’t want to sift through the crap montage, at the very end. Guile’s sonic boom into standing heavy into super.

I wonder if I could pull that combo off in normal ssf2t. Because they definitely made doing supers way easier in usf2 compared to the original.

[topaz prairie]

just confirmed a stray hit with a snapback into OTG for the kill, felt good

[wary jungle]

My execution with motion is better on 2p side, with charge either side is good though.

[timber condor]

I don’t post in this channel because I am the best at fighting games.

[hallow cargo]

I post sparingly because I am not lol

[sharp pine]

Fite me Robby!

[timber condor]

No, I’ve already won

I ran my calculations and put my success rate at %99.2

[cyan grotto]

Six flat buttons?! NICE. That’s one of the few complaints i have about the saturn pad. The top row buttons are a bit to sharp for my mashing 😂 (oh and for use on other systems a select button would be nice)

[sharp pine]

What did you use to calculate your success rate ? Perhaps an abacus ? hahahaha!

[timber condor]

Oh you would destroy me but I would still smack talk you the entire time

I would also probably say I let you win every time

[sharp pine]

Classic

[stone crypt]

In addendum to your list with repeats :)

I omitted certain games on purpose because I don't wanna just namedrop everything

my criteria:
• meant to or can be played on an arcade stick
• i personally enjoy a lot
• isn't weird (borderline NSFW and such)

RECC = MUST PLAY!

Capcom vs. SNK 2 - Mark of the Millennium 2001 RECC
DOA2 - Hardcore
Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus
Hokuto no Ken - Shinpan no Sousousei Kengo Retsuden RECC
King of Fighters '94 Re-Bout
King of Fighters '98, The - Ultimate Match
King of Fighters 2002 Unlimited Match Tougeki Version RECC
King of Fighters 2006
King of Fighters XI
KOF - Maximum Impact Regulation A RECC
Melty Blood - Actress Again
Garou - Mark of the Wolves
The Last Blade 1 and 2
Rumble Fish
Samurai Shodown Anthology (for SamShoV Special and Samurai Spirits 6) RECC
Sega Ages 2500 Series Vol. 11 - Hokuto no Ken (I seem to remember this having a pvp mode)
Sega Ages 2500 Series Vol. 16 - Virtua Fighter 2
Sega Ages 2500 Series Vol. 19 - Fighting Vipers
Sega Ages 2500 Series Vol. 24 - Last Bronx Tokyo Bangaichi RECC
The All Star Fighting Festival (just for laughs, it's really fun)
SNK vs. Capcom - SVC Chaos
Soulcalibur II
SoulCalibur III
Street Fighter Alpha Anthology (for Street Fighter Alpha III Upper, gotta unlock it though)
Street Fighter Anniversary Collection (for Third Strike mostly) RECC
Virtua Fighter 4 - Evolution RECC
Virtua Fighter 10th Anniversary (Virtua Fighter 4 but with original VF1 low poly models including VF4 newcomers)

[hallow cargo]

Well the list was meant to be a list of quality SNK ports to PS2, but the more the merrier

[stone crypt]

yeah I realized I went overboard 😄

[proud knoll]

if we wanna talk about ps2 ports of fun fighting games then I'd also throw Kinnikuman Gran Prix 2 Tokumori and Super Dragon Ball in as well

also now realizing how weird it is that melty blood showed up on ps2 and not like some after market dreamcast release since it was on naomi

[stone crypt]

this is fact for a lot of Atomiswave and Naomi stuff

[wary jungle]

@sharp pine Vs @timber condor
The Match of the Year

[modern ravine]

Yet a severe lack off ggxx

[drifting smelt]

sam sho anthology doesn't have V Special

and I can't recommend anyone play sam sho 6, that game sucks

as does alpha 3 upper

[hallow cargo]

The PS2 one has forced 480i and blur filter, pretty bad honestly

[drifting smelt]

eh if you play on a CRT it's not like 480i makes a difference

shit looks fine

[stone crypt]

you're right, I don't know why I remembered it having V Special

but 6 is a fun game for casual mashing

also I think V Special was an Xbox only release, right? I need to look that up.

[drifting smelt]

Nah Xbox got V vanilla

Special didn’t get a reissue until the ps4

[stone crypt]

dang yeah I only got a hit for Xbox One.

as far as the Alpha games go, Alpha 2 is my cutoff but having Upper at hand is another great casual masher to have.

[cyan grotto]

So this threads seems as good a place as any to ask. IF you want to play older kof (95 and 96 to be exact) what would be best way? Cuz spoiled as we are with various options there are always down sides: neo geo - no arranged soundtrack neo geo cd - loading ps1/saturn.... i am actually thinking that for 95 saturn might be the best but i think it had a weird bug where the musci was mono......and possibly no arranged music? ps1 95 is (surprisingly ?) pretty good but worse loading than even ngcd.... ps2. Probably the best i found so far, BUT the game text is fuly japanaes, i wanna be able to read them cheesy win quotes :S ....... neo geo cd software emulate removed nearly all loading.....but ugh software emulation and lag...well we are in the mister topic not gonna go deeper there.......curious if there are options i left out. i also have a collection on ps4, i should give that one another go to see if i have any bitching on that version 😛

[cyan nebula]

Arrange soundtracks are interesting but I usually stick to the MVS/AES NeoGeo versions when playing this stuff, original and best imho! FYI I have used MAME for CD stuff before support was added to MiSTer and it’s really solid and responsive, a great option if you want the arranged OST with minimal loading.

[cyan grotto]

I really fell in love with these ast’s, so i am starting to feel i should sacrifice the fpga side of it and just do ngc emulation. Ps4 orochi collection is a ps2 port where someone tought it a good idea to map ps2 start to the touch pad. With some tinkering i should be able to have this working on my retrobit pad and brooks convertor combo, but was unable to find the shortcut. Leaving it unplayable atm.

[cyan nebula]

Bear in mind you do have 4x loading speed on the FPGA core working with the vast majority of games, MAME is only worth using over it if you really need the slightly shorted load times.

[cyan grotto]

Oh yeah tried it! It is better then normal loading for sure. But still very much there. So it comes down to my q, is there an option that ticks off all of my ‘demands’ and i guess the anwer is no so ‘accept that which you cannot change or change what you cannot accept’ PS4 also doesn’t have aranged music i think…sigh

[ripe crag]

I guess you could start learning Japanese.

PS2 ports aside, there is a lot of interesting software that will probably never get translated.

[cyan grotto]

Lol yeah, if i could understand japanse the ps2 version has no downsides. I play on crt and it looks fine to me.

[topaz prairie]

play on the AES, turn on a soundtrack if you want to hear the arranged osts lol

[cyan grotto]

Ok how about i make you play fightting games on a n64 pad, but i use an arcade stick in the background for them clicky sounds, no difference in the experience right? 😛

(and yes, i know i am being demanding, hence my using word like 'spoiled for choice) and literally demands......but hey if we didn't care about quality and best experience we could just play everything on phone right......don't you people have phones? 😂 )

[topaz prairie]

for me, sacrificing the gameplay isn't worth mildly better music, and those ports often vary wildly in quality

the AES versions are the competitive standard, that's what im gonna play on

[hallow cargo]

To be fair, arranged music for SNK games is extremely good generally speaking. Their ASTs were a high bar in the 90s and I enjoyed them greatly.

[cyan grotto]

I think the later kof's/fighters on NGCD indeed have gameplay changes (animation cut/smaller sprites) however for 95 i am fairly sure this IS NOT the case, see this nice comparisson vid: https://youtu.be/iWp_jXZK3bQb Also i am playing sp mostly, for competition i fully agree the standard needs to be followed. Anyways. I am even frustrating myself now as...... ok, software emulation of the ngcd version has: blood, english text, no loading (well ngl it is there but we are talking fractions of a second!) BUT the next hurdle in my road........where on mister i can enable blood in one go (for curious people, start demo mode, wait for high scores to appear, the on the second controller press and hold B+C, and on the first controller press A+D) . On the emulator it is eluding me.......i have even been investingating just coding a cheat for it in retroarch now......facepalm

[hallow cargo]

I tend to stan for (some of, not all) the PS2 Neo Geo collections for those who want a better experience playing the games with the ASTs

[cyan grotto]

yeah ps2 is def nice, BUT (see also my earlier post) afaik, the are fully japanes in text. meaning i cannot read win quoutes and (should i ever get that far) end of game content etc

[hallow cargo]

Yeah I dont know why we got a separate crappy Orochi collection in the US

Not much to do about the language issue sadly

94 is also not on the Japanese collection because of 94 Rebout IIRC

[topaz prairie]

https://vxtwitter.com/DocFugu/status/1692376994502357445?t=jXGj-YlAWqf38SHeTRCePw&s=19

[cyan grotto]

welp i was able to figure about my blood issue on emu. RA defaulted button assignment meant double inputs. With clean inputs getting the cheat to work was no problem. And i now have a save state meaning i can just play the game uncensored when i want......only took me day 😭 . Oh and i guess there is also an orochi collection on wii, when ever i have the energy to mod that i can add that to my comparisson i guess 🙂

[hallow cargo]

Dont all the Orochi Collection releases mangle the video?

[cyan grotto]

good question, i play on crt so that is one of the few things i am ok with :S

altho playing castlvania n64 via composite......ugh the core will not make it a pretty game but i feel rgb will def improve the graphics....

[hallow cargo]

If you care about CRTs Id guess it would be a more important issue..480i and blur filters would annoy me a lot

[cyan grotto]

All i can say is that after playing ngcd kof95/96 on mister (via crt vga monitor) and then playing orochi collection on ps2 (via BnO mx4000 i think...?) was not annoying to my eyes. That was the jap version of orochi thought, maybe that is 240p? might put both on them on at the same time, curious now.

[hallow cargo]

The Japanese and US Orochi collections are different

[cyan grotto]

Wii version is Apparently 480p. But ‘sucks to be me’ no arranged music. Did i mention the 95 ai is a mean bastard btw? Still gotta have goals 😂

[drifting smelt]

480i and blur filters generally only matter on HD displays

on a CRT it's not all that different, especially through like composite

[hallow cargo]

When the original game is 240p with clean video it is quite noticable when it is forced to 480i and blur filter IMO, CRT or not

[proud knoll]

Yeah, it's unfortunate that some of the collections of that era suffer from that stuff. They didn't need to

[cyan grotto]

Tried some other games from the list ‘fist of the north star’ and kof2k2 tougeki especially the latter i enjoyed. Used to the x360 and pc port. Updated backgrounds and that music!

[topaz prairie]

Fist of the North Star is wild

Try Fate: Unlimited Codes if you never have

[proud knoll]

I could never do the basketball combos in fist of the North Star, but it's still pretty fun

[topaz prairie]

https://vxtwitter.com/skillsmith_bug/status/1692846367591256133

[carmine anvil]

https://x.com/_atrac17/status/1693659162176352264?s=46&t=H4-f-CNUM8sBhff7kh9teQ

atrac17 (@_atrac17)

All #Midway cores released for #MiSTerFPGA that @pr4m0d or I work on will require 32MB Dual SDRAM.

If you order from @MiSTerFPGA_UK you can save 10% with the following coupon code. It applies to anything available for purchase.

Discount Code: atrac17

https://t.co/TxqgPzlHGi

Twitter · Aug 21, 2023, 4:19 PM

All midway cores will need dual ram. Get your wallets ready

[proud knoll]

Rip the single ram dream

You can still get 240p out with hdmi right?

[topaz prairie]

corect

still kind of a bummer, complicates streaming/capturing a good bit which is one of the big benefits of analog IO

[charred ore]

I think Narc is 24Khz so like 400p native.

[topaz prairie]

Yeah NARC isn’t enough to tip the scales for me, but UMK3 and NBA jam will be. MK1 and 2 are kinda close on their own

[proud knoll]

Yeah. Maybe it's time to do a second build lol

[modern ravine]

be glad it will stil be compact and not a +soundboard monstrocity

[valid hearth]

Smash TV for me

[topaz prairie]

https://twitter.com/JWonggg/status/1693840008522952835

Justin Wong (@JWonggg)

People really funny in the battle hub huh

Likes

3925

Retweets

590

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Twitter · Aug 22, 2023, 4:18 AM

[timber condor]

holy shit the giant hands killed me 😂

[wary jungle]

Haha, that's proper JW

[ember apex]

With these upcoming Midway boards having a fierce thirst for SDRAM bandwidth, is an additional 32mb SDRAM on top of my existing 128MB enough for a tight git like me?

Or do I need to sell one of my children's teeth for a 128mb module instead?

[timber condor]

That’s all that is needed.

[ember apex]

Cheers boss!

[carmine anvil]

It’s always nice to see zangief taking top places in tournaments. Zangief destroyed JP. I really like the drive gauge of sf6. JP isn’t so bad, just spoiled. Reminds me of bison in alpha. Bison was originally annoying and then in alpha they gave him a projectile and a teleport. JP is the new alpha bison.

Also I miss bison having bells in his theme. His sf2 cps1 version was always the best

[proud knoll]

Zangief still needs buffs, but Snake Eyez is just really really good with him. Glad to see him win in such an awful match up though

very inspirational

also I totally agree, those bells are awesome

as much as I love ST's version of the OST, it's always kind of hard to beat the original's version. Probably too much nostalgia tied into it

[carmine anvil]

Agreed zangief needs buff. His lariat not hitting on both sides feels wrong. And still sad they took green hand away from him

And yeah bison’s other themes don’t hit the same as his original. #needsmoarbell

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-school-school-bell-ringing-the-bell-gif-22150054

[topaz prairie]

https://twitter.com/eagle_epsilon/status/1697650165774004553

Epsilon Eagle (@eagle_epsilon)

TIL how throw teching works in "Survival Arts"
I always thought you had to do MP/HP the moment you're thrown, but nope.

When thrown your character rotates and pushing any button will make them stop.
If you manage to stop the animation on their feet, they'll land safely.

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Twitter · Sep 1, 2023, 4:38 PM

[proud knoll]

Galaxy brain design

[carmine anvil]

You’re always showing me fighting games I have never seen before in my life 😂 bruuhahaha love it

[proud knoll]

Gotta spend some time digging into poverty games, you're missing out on lots of fun stuff otherwise

[daring lodge]

…

[topaz prairie]

lmao

[carmine anvil]

(ง •̀_•́)ง 0 SONIC BOOM!

[topaz prairie]

https://twitter.com/aszaxa/status/1700273858639471021?s=20

AZY (@aszaxa)

Virtua Fighter 2 MD guide is now up! Contains the move list for all characters, some example combos, and an explanation on how the game works!

Guide: https://t.co/daOeiQLgvN

Longplay: https://t.co/HjFY5tMsZZ
#SegaGenesis

Twitter · Sep 8, 2023, 10:24 PM

[stone crypt]

Anyone randomly get hit with the introspective bug where you realize you've taken the MiSTer for granted? Yeah, we got some cool new cores, but when I heard CPS2 was pretty much ready to go, that was like tye cherry on the top. I was gonna get one anyway for Genesis, PC Engine and NES anyway.

[topaz prairie]

CPS2 + NeoGeo is what got me into MiSTer

[proud knoll]

heh, I was basically in it for all of that. Didn't have a flash cart for my genesis, don't have a pc engine, my nes is stock, it fit well for all of those. Neo Geo and various arcade stuff like CPS 1 and 2 were absolutely what pushed me over the edge

[stone crypt]

I forgot about wanting NeoGeo too. SamSho V Special and KoF in particular were games I wanted to play without input delay badly.

I bought a Pioneer LaserActive that came with a Genesis PAC and was later planning to get the PC Engine PAC. Sadly it needed to be recapped so I sold it and used the money to buy a MiSTer 🤣

Also, I had my trigger ready on an everdrive for the genesis.

[proud knoll]

lol yeah honestly if you have a full suped up console and flash cart you can easily flip it for a chunk of building your MiSTer half the time

[topaz prairie]

my only everdrive is a 64 one

ill likely hang on to it though

[proud knoll]

at this point I have flash carts and ODEs for everything except genesis lol I just don't ever dig my genesis out to play stuff. But I have to be honest, it's just so much more convenient to just plug in a controller and flip on the MiSTer instead of hooking everything up to my 5x pro

[stone crypt]

I'm half glad I didnt invest in an everdrive for anything yet but I recognize I missed out on that boat unless I come across a good deal on one of the consoles I wanted.

[proud knoll]

the first one I bought was an n64 everdrive, mainly because at the time (2014?) I was like "well emulation is nowhere near perfect, this way I can at least play all the games I can't afford"

[stone crypt]

Haha my same thoughts

One of my friends got duped on a Conker's repro cause he wanted it so badly

[proud knoll]

yeah, collecting has become such a pain

it's why I 100% stay away from GBA and DS

bought flash carts / modded / emulated and never looked back lol

trying to actually determine what's genuine seems like such a nightmare

[topaz prairie]

I can see myself getting a GB and GBA ever drive

[proud knoll]

they're fun to pair with a modded system with a fancy backlight

[stone crypt]

My brother did that with an IPS. Games look much better than they did with the stock one it had since it was faded out

[cyan nebula]

Cycle accurate NeoGeo is eorth the price alone.

[daring lodge]

Some Canadian dude told me MiSTer was a cult and I thought he meant weird sex cult but I also like shmups so I’m not too regretful

[stone crypt]

How do I get Super Turbo New Legacy 0.8? I seem to only have 0.7 🤔

[timber condor]

Isn’t shmups the name of a sex cult?

[daring lodge]

Looks like they've not added an MRA for it to Arcade Offset.

[stone crypt]

shmupulations 3:16 says shmup off

[stone crypt]

ah thanks, is making an MRA a straightforward process such as editing text files? or does it require more technical skills?

[daring lodge]

I'm trying to do it right now

So if it's straight forward...

[carmine anvil]

I dunno. Cause I tried myself the same exact thing and I found a road that lead to nowhere. No resource online. Asked a guy who did one of the mras for mister on the steps for what I would need to do, that was a couple months back and still no response. Cause there’s a couple training hacks that could be made for mister that aren’t there. But yeah, if you know then great please share but I hit the wall in my journey.

[daring lodge]

dmed @stone crypt

[sharp pine]

I am becoming an absolute monster at SFVI…

[carmine anvil]

Just don’t forget us when you become rich and famous

[hallow cargo]

Super Turbo New Legacy looks really cool

Need to set that up on Fightcade

[topaz prairie]

you know about the fightcade JSON right?

[hallow cargo]

Whats JSON?

(Looks like I dont)

[topaz prairie]

https://lofi.netlify.app/post/fc2-json-pack-auto-download-roms-from-fightcade-2/

There's a script you can put in your FC folder that will auto-grab ROMs if you join a room and don't have the game

its very handy

[hallow cargo]

Oh thats awesome, thanks Kajoq :)

[topaz prairie]

there's a few hacks it wont grab here and there, but 98% of stuff it'll work with, i'm pretty sure new legacy will be fine

[hallow cargo]

So easy to install, wow

I guess fightcade is designed to just run any scripts that go in that folder

I setup a USB A/B switch to a nice USB 2.0 hub between MiSTer and my PC so its easier for me to use Fightcade and emulators now

Id say lets have a match but I know my limitations. Deli and I are about the same skill level

[stone crypt]

Deepthaw's MRA worked!

[hallow cargo]

Nice!

Where can I get that

[modern ravine]

Is there a changelog? I don't trust people who dare to touch st

[stone crypt]

Newlegacy.fr

[stone crypt]

I'll let deepthaw share it unless hes ok with me sharing his mra

[hallow cargo]

Oh okay.

[topaz prairie]

also wouldn't mind it

[hallow cargo]

Which ROM should I download in the meantime?

[topaz prairie]

@hallow cargo have you played SF2mix?

[hallow cargo]

Not yet

[topaz prairie]

its an absolute riot

[stone crypt]

ssf2tnl_8.zip

[topaz prairie]

https://newlegacy.fr/ its suprisingly sensible

[hallow cargo]

Hm, none of the new legacy ROMs are named that

Im guessing its the FBNeo ROM and I need to rename it

[modern ravine]

Many sirlin vibes...

[hallow cargo]

Whats sirlin?

[modern ravine]

Something better to be forgotten

[hallow cargo]

Oh okie

looks up SF2Mix

This looks fun

https://sf2mix.github.io/system.html

Does this run on MiSTer as well?

[carmine anvil]

Ya it should automatically be in the offset folder

[hallow cargo]

nice

Oh there it is, CPS1 offset

Fun. I should look into these hacks more

[carmine anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-on-mega-man-gif-12812381

[stone crypt]

alpha 3 mix is kinda cool. I still dont like alpha 3 but the SNK team setup was nice!

[hallow cargo]

What all is added to it?

[stone crypt]

it has a ton of new mechanics

https://sfz3mix.github.io/

welp, and there goes another hack that hasn't been updated 😆

MiSTer is at 0.7, they're on 0.21

[hallow cargo]

Lots of SNK features here

[topaz prairie]

a3mix is well put together but felt kinda bland in action

sf2mix is wild

[hallow cargo]

Guess some enterprising folk will have to make a new mra. Wish I knew how to do that.