When I started working there the Doom servers where decommissioned as Quake was the new thing... I'd only seen the APCiDOOM in action a few times.
#Computer Cores
junior hemlock
Aww
void belfry
#1047332497492553799 message maybe
need to do some more research / think of a way to safe test it as well
from my limited research, there are no MSDOS games supporting TCP/IP originally
some may have community patches though, but think it would be rare thing
burnt timber
void belfry
tbh, i love these kind of challenges/finding wacky network-related solutions
uneven cliff
Amiga Vision is siiiiiiick
And so many demoscene experiences captured in it
@naive imp you ever do Amiga vids? Might be a cool one for you
void belfry
Moonstone FTW !
uneven cliff
Thank you much for originally creating MegaAGS. Let me re-live my childhood easily on MiSTer ❤️
coral coral
Thank you much for originally creating MegaAGS. Let me re-live my childhood easi...
Thanks!
naive imp
<@484201598218928128> you ever do Amiga vids? Might be a cool one for you
I did one. Will probably revisit it now
summer dragon
anyone know if there were any new games added to the new amiga image?
coral coral
Mostly what's been added to the whdload project http://www.whdload.de/new500.html
A number of new homebrew games
void belfry
hah... at least theoretically, it IS possible to start an SSH connection from ao486 core (using SSH2DOS) over mTCP stack (.25 MiSTer, .254 ao486 core), but no surprise they couldn't connect because of cyphers/keys difference i guess
summer dragon
Mostly what's been added to the whdload project http://www.whdload.de/new500.htm...
Thank you for sharing that as well as for all of your work on this awesome project!
thick pendant
hah... at least theoretically, it IS possible to start an SSH connection from ao...
I'm working on adding SSL to the MidiLink modem emulation, but so far my test project is getting an error related to TLS version, so its WIP...
For the ChatGPT I use libcurl for SSL
but struggling with OpenSSL directly
tulip atlas
I tested the latest MegaAGS on the Amiga core and still a few too many games default to NTSC. For example, Lemmings 2, Supremacy, Flood default to NTSC, even though they were programmed by British teams with PAL in mind.
It is much better than it used to be though.
And of course, there's the manual force PAL option 🙂
Apart from the above issue, the content and curated lists in MegaAGS are awesome.
copper slate
@tulip atlas I assume the games are sped up as a result of being in NTSC?
tulip atlas
Yes that is true. And the picture is stretched as well.
coral coral
You can always get the correct pixel aspect ratio. As a matter of fact it’s for the rather rare case of PAL titles that use too many lines to work at 5x scale that you’d want to switch from the default aspect ratio (44:27 if I remember correctly) to 4:3
Also, Flood needs all the speed up it can have. 😄 But can possibly be chalked up to my personal preference, and MegaAGS reflects that since it was originally 100% tailored for me and at most distributed to some close friends.
copper slate
I forgot how damn cool the demo scene is/was. Spent 30m last night just watching a bunch of them on the latest Amiga Vision pack.
tulip atlas
I was surprised that there are so many good Amiga games even from the 2000’s, the homebrew scene keeps the Amiga alive.
tulip atlas
There are several excellent pd freeware games that could be added to Amigavision/megaags: Babeanoid, AirTaxi and Cybersphere Plus for example.
tulip atlas
I am putting the suggestions on GitHub: https://github.com/amigavision/AmigaVision/issues/76
tulip atlas
There are several more good pd games in the Aladin Generic WHDLoad collection. But there are a total of thousands of games in there so it is hard to find the good ones.
burnt timber
Got a few more doujin shmups running on the PC98 core.. to some degree anyway.
thick pendant
I was surprised that there are so many good Amiga games even from the 2000’s, th...
Be careful, Amiga is a cult you never leave...
wheat folio
And your eyes never recover from the flicker.
burnt timber
TIL Amiga had RGBI on its 23 pin output.. weird
burnt timber
thick pendant
TIL Amiga had RGBI on its 23 pin output.. weird
Likewise the 1084s monitor (I had, anyway) also could be used with CGA.
burnt timber
I had that one as well, at least one with that model #. I never used RGBI on it though, used the AM4201R for that
thick pendant
I guess the idea is that you could use a CGA monitor if not ideal... as monitors in general, especially color were expensive. When I got my A500 I initially uses an amber mono monitor.
The high-persistence really made interlace mode look pretty good.
burnt timber
Ah, memories. Had a hercules card in an XT hooked up to one of those, my first computer.
thick pendant
Well, with the A500 I used a composite NTSC monitor like you'd use on an AppleII
burnt timber
Oh, did you have that little adapter/transcoder that attaches to the 23 pin connector?
thick pendant
I did eventually get a A520 bundled with a 512K RAM expansion
burnt timber
I still have a 60hz model in the closet. Less than ideal, but didn't cost too much at the time
thick pendant
I sill have 2 DCTVs and a SuperGen SX
burnt timber
I hope you didn't pay retail for the DCTV
thick pendant
No, got it used (but complete, in box) for cheap. Never could get it to work right (in color) with my Escom A1200 PAL (in NTSC mode obviously) . Thought it was defective, so I got another complete one which did the same thing. I think there must be other signals on the DB25 that differ on PAL models. Never tried them on a real NTSC Amiga.
burnt timber
I have never done any video editing on an Amiga, but I would imagine you have used Video Toaster at least a few times. My old boss worked on developing that.
thick pendant
but the SuperGen SX can work like a better quality A520 with S-VIDEO
I've done only video titling with the SuperGen
thick pendant
I did win a copy of Lightwave at the NewTek booth at one of the shows...
honest stratus
I'm trying to get the mouse to work on the Amiga core and it won't
Booted Cannon Fodder and clicking doesn't do anything
Oh the mouse I was using wasn't detected right
burnt timber
More fun was had with the PC98 core today.
karmic lynx
is this actually how the games are supposed to look like?
crimson fulcrum
pc98 had a long life, I think a lot of the ａｓｔｈｅｔｉｃ games came later and the core might have a hard time with those.
maiden sigil
Does anyone have a working OS/2 vhd? I found one but it doesn't actually boot into it
I'm guessing its not setup for mister
I saw one guy managed to get a setup working
burnt timber
is this actually how the games are supposed to look like?
More or less, though the video in the core isnt the best
burnt timber
pc98 had a long life, I think a lot of the ａｓｔｈｅｔｉｃ games came later and the cor...
Yeah it doesnt like later games like Flame Zapper Kotsujin, Rusty, etc.. it doesnt run HDD images either so finding disk images can be fun x.x
maiden sigil
maiden sigil
🤣
I love obscure operating systems
Bell Labs Plan 9 is probably my favorite
I've never done anything useful with it
I just love it
junior hemlock
I like how you can create grids with Plan 9, other than that... it does seem interesting, but not useful for my needs lol
burnt timber
I do know an amiga expert tho
Ask him to help me edit the demoscene porn out of my MegaAGS image, seriously..
junior hemlock
Reboot was awesome
burnt timber
lmfao
No, really. I really want that crap out of there, porn loading on Super Attract Mode is becoming annoying
maiden sigil
attract mode is a great idea but oof I had to turn it off
maiden sigil
Reboot was awesome
my all time childhood favorite show
junior hemlock
Same
junior hemlock
IIRC, OS/2 was a combo of Windows, DOS and Unix?
maiden sigil
xD
burnt timber
As long as I can play Commander Keen, Doom and Epic Pinball on it lol
Did the ID software Mario 3 demo ever get publicly released?
junior hemlock
I don't think it did? I think one time LGR did a video on it and it showed gameplay but it was from a test release or something
burnt timber
Aww
burnt timber
You're going to have to do better than that. Can it even run minesweeper?
Hopkins FBI looks promising
thick pendant
Maybe you can teach me how to use the Amiga gui
The Amiga GUI is easy 🙂
burnt timber
The Amiga GUI is easy 🙂
Help me edit out the demoscene stuff from MegaAGS! Please! HALP
thick pendant
why?
burnt timber
Well, a bunch of it has digitized porn in it, and Id rather it not show up on Super Attract Mode. SAR just uses a keyboard input to go down to "Im feeling lucky" so I cant filter it
woven lava
@burnt timber how usable ia the pc98 core? do most games work or its hit and miss?
burnt timber
No will help me remove the pr0n from MegaAGS, sad face 😦
woven lava
is that just removing some demos?
burnt timber
I dont know which have it, so probably just all of it. I dont like demoscene anyway
burnt timber
Oh, so its not in the image?
woven lava
more like theres 2 images
check the forum for "Amiga Vision" (also the new name for MegaAGS going forward)
Ive installed it today but didnt have time to try it much yet
burnt timber
Thanks, will do. Hopefully SAM works with it
woven lava
yes it does, its on the feature list
burnt timber
I mean the new images
If the in image menu hasnt changed, it should
It just throws a keyboard input to go down to "Im feeling lucky"
junior hemlock
Was there a Bubblegum Crisis game for PC-98 or 88?
burnt timber
Was there a Bubblegum Crisis game for PC-98 or 88?
junior hemlock
Oh cool 😄
burnt timber
Ive installed it today but didnt have time to try it much yet
I got Amiga Vision, but it doesnt look like there are two images, just one
Went through the setup instructions properly, the MegaAGS image itself in the new Amiga Vision has just been updated, it still contains all the demoscene stuff
lunar trellis
Downloader just grabbed an unstable version of PC-88 core, anyone know what was added there?
burnt timber
Whats the date on it?
lunar trellis
Hmm, 22.02.13 which is odd, as I run updated every day or two
burnt timber
Has anyone sorted out how to get Rusty running on ao486? Sometimes it locks on the main menu for me, sometimes it doesnt, but I've been unable to get past the title screen with any of the standard DOS memory managers.
opal void
I gave up on AO486 a while ago 😦
burnt timber
I can only test it in the year by year DOS game hard drive images, so im unsure if there is another method
opal void
I can only test it in the year by year DOS game hard drive images, so im unsure ...
Year by year? Where do I get those 😮
burnt timber
Still enjoying the bountiful library of OS2?
woven lava
Was there a Bubblegum Crisis game for PC-98 or 88?
there's one for PCE too - it got a translation
@burnt timber guess I got confused with some of the extra files it has. there must be an .ini you can edit, but I'm not familiar enough with amiga OS to help
burnt timber
I dont think there is an ini I can edit, if there is a config file or anything it would need to be edited inside the HDF
woven lava
that's what I mean, an Amiga .ini equivalent
burnt timber
Yeah, back to square one there.. Amiga HDFs dont edit so easily, I think maybe I could with WinUAE but I cant quite sort out how to do it
woven lava
allegedly Amiga vision can exit to desktop
burnt timber
It can, I tried that in WinUAE but the folder structure was obtuse, and the folder and file names were so long I couldnt read what they were
I dont really know what Im doing
burnt timber
Year by year? Where do I get those 😮
Shoot me a PM, I'll help out. Just can't post them here.
maiden sigil
Still enjoying the bountiful library of OS2?
I gotta figure out how to get the cd drive to work
I put it aside for now
thick pendant
Still enjoying the bountiful library of OS2?
Actually, for me having ran OS/2 from the beginning, the "bountiful library" was being able to multitask DOS games, Windows apps, etc... it truly was a "Better DOS than DOS and better Windows than Windows" - for me anyway...
burnt timber
*games library
thick pendant
it definitely was the best DOS multitasker. I could run my BBS while still using my computer.
opal void
Actually, for me having ran OS/2 from the beginning, the "bountiful library" was...
What kind of sorcery is that
thick pendant
OS2 DOS VM was really good, you had a great amount of conventional RAM
opal void
I need to test that!
void belfry
I gotta figure out how to get the cd drive to work
vestal goblet
When I first started using a graphical web browser, I preferred OS/2 WebExplorer — it was fully threaded, so the browsing experience was soooo much smoother than Mosaic and even Netscape 2.x
It also supported win16 and win32s apps, so mIRC, WS-FTP, etc all ran great
When Win96 (aka Win95 OSR2) betas we’re getting along, I switched to that wholeheartedly. I don’t remember precisely why, but I think device driver support for my Gravis UltraSound ACE, ZIP drive (DMA was tricky), and S3 ViRGE (my first 3D accelerator) might’ve cinched it
void belfry
PPP/SLIP doesn't work on OS/2 (on ao486 core ofc), so only thing you can do with it online is some BBS connecting with modem mode using PMCOMM, Terminate or other terminals from the era
vestal goblet
Huh. I wonder if Token Ring or Ethernet emulation is a shorter throw? What does Amiga use?
Many years ago I used a Token Ring simulator in bochs for reasons
void belfry
Huh. I wonder if Token Ring or Ethernet emulation is a shorter throw? What does ...
Amiga (as well as ao486, but on anything else than OS/2) can use either modem emulation or PPP/SLIP connections over virtualized serial they have
on the ARM side, Linux takes care of ppp/agetty (from memory, might be other daemons) and gets you routed/connected via real Eth/Wifi LAN you use
it is a very simplistic explanation 🙂
for full ethernet made in FPGA and linked with the real DE10Nano uses... I dunno, might be doable, might be not, I am not enough tech savy on this subject.
maiden sigil
yeah I tried that but it won't read my install CD to progress past selective startup
I have to transfer the diskettes I guess
I'll get back to it
installs from cd
whats a cd?
maiden sigil
os2 warp 3.0
thick pendant
Huh. I wonder if Token Ring or Ethernet emulation is a shorter throw? What does ...
The "Hydra" ethernet I had in my A2000 had a BNC style connector as well as an AUI connector which you could plug a transceiver into for RJ45. I believe The commodore 2065 was the same as far as connectors. Commodore also made an Arcnet adapter. I'm not aware of any broken-ring adapters for Amiga...
void belfry
os2 warp 3.0
L1 cache set to Off, right ?
thick pendant
@void belfry have you ever tried to run Trumpet Winsock on the OS/2 Windows?
void belfry
<@794151308620857395> have you ever tried to run Trumpet Winsock on the OS/2 Win...
hmm, no tbh
thick pendant
I mean, its not ideal, but at least would allow some net access
void belfry
I only tried IBM TCP/IP (probably all of versions)
yeah, worth a try 🙂 would see after work
thick pendant
Wonder if there is a "Trumpet" like thing for OS/2. I could not get SLIP working on OS/2
void belfry
Wonder if there is a "Trumpet" like thing for OS/2. I could not get SLIP working...
IBM TCP/IP, in theory supports PPP/SLIP (older ones SLIP mostly). on some versions must be installed separate, on newer is on Addon cdrom
void belfry
Work ending in 5 mins, booted up the MiSTer and remote update_all it 😄
maiden sigil
xD
void belfry
okey, let's spin this bad boy for a ride
maiden sigil
thick pendant
which version of OS/2 are you using?
void belfry
@thick pendant we're getting somewhere. OS/2 Warp 4.0
that error might also explain the error from IBM TCP/IP suite- COM1 being actually used by something
IBM suite crapped out at some memory location when trying to start PPP process. If that mem location (linked to COM1) is somehow used by other stuff/app in OS/2 , in my very uneducated opinion could block/error out the use of ppp/slip
maiden sigil
I'd give you a cookie for that vhd when its done 👀
void belfry
just random thoughts lol
maiden sigil
actually I don't even need tcpip
void belfry
I'd give you a cookie for that vhd when its done 👀
hehe, this is the only thing bugging me (besides ofc L1 cache issue)
thick pendant
When I get home I'll try it with 2.0
maiden sigil
It just feels good to boot into an obscure operating system
void belfry
for the rest, just follow the steps I mentioned in the misterfpga forum
maiden sigil
idk why
thick pendant
2.0 does not have the L1 cache issue
thick pendant
have you tried the SIO serial drivers?
void belfry
yes
maiden sigil
go for com2?
void belfry
no, that would be the USER I/O port if remember right
thick pendant
I thought terminal software worked under OS/2?
void belfry
it does
thick pendant
seems like that is able to open com port, maybe the winos2 needs to be configured somewhere to allow it to use the com1
void belfry
after restart, error is gone but Trumpet on OS/2 Windows seems to hang. will give it more tests/time and come back later
thick pendant
maybe see if some sort of terminal program will work in WinOS2
void belfry
yeah, will cross-check with Terminate, I know I made successful connection with it
burnt timber
Finally, I can play my H.R. Giger inspired adventure games on Amiga
Oh.. wait.
This particular manual does not appear to be online 
Par for the course copy protection for the time
burnt timber
I mean, piracy was pretty rampant at the time so I guess its to be expected. Lucasarts got kind of creative with it IIRC, Monkey Island had a weird spinning mix and match thing
mighty barn
This particular manual does not appear to be online <:blobshrug:8062668282885570...
Is the background manual this one?
https://www.starehry.eu/download/adventure/docs/DarkSeed-Manual.pdf
thick pendant
Finally, I can play my H.R. Giger inspired adventure games on Amiga
DarkSeed?
burnt timber
Is the background manual this one?
https://www.starehry.eu/download/adventure/do...
Hm, the paragraph and line dont match up
thick pendant
The CDTV version can be played just by mounting the .ISO as a HD
burnt timber
I saw it there, does it have any major differences?
thick pendant
Probably no difference than the whdload version, but you could play it directly from the ISO file by mounting it with the OSD and as long as you click on the CD0 driver in SYS:Storage/Drivers (with the tooltip configured properly) you can run it that way....
I've never really gotten into that game, obviously... but I do love the genera
thick pendant
Yeah, I'm sure its the same... game does not use redbook audio i think
even if it did, you'd not hear it playing it that way
burnt timber
Works for me. My general lack of knowledge about CD32 makes me wonder if it uses a mouse and keyboard though
thick pendant
CD32 is lust an Amiga 1200 in different form factor.
burnt timber
Oh its just AGA, okay
thick pendant
They had some extra room in one of the chips so they included a chunky to planar function in one of the chips (Akiko chip) but it may have never been used in any commercial game, and even stuff like ADoom benefit about the same if some fastmem is installed.
The Akiko is not really ideal and not really built around the traditional Amiga way of doing things via DMA...
burnt timber
面白い
thick pendant
burnt timber
wheat folio
Ultima VII
burnt timber
VI
maiden sigil
having amiga workbench 2.x and 3.x isn't good enough for me apparently
as I'm setting up a 1.3 right now
opal void
you mean it is isn't vintage enough
opal void
Indeed!
burnt timber
It's on the Gradius/Salamander hardware.. maybe it will come to MiSTer sometime
opal void
Is there a comprehensive list of arcade games available on MiSTer?
heavy vigil
i read about a pc98 core for mister a couple of times on here, search lead me to here (http://fpga8801.seesaa.net/category/22270192-1.html) but the core is a .qar and not a rbf, someone able to guide me 😛
burnt timber
RBFs are in the forum thread, be warned its buggy and incomplete
@lunar trellis 's new update script addition can pull the RBF and BIOS down for you automatically with update all
heavy vigil
oh where do i find that script?
burnt timber
heavy vigil
thanks alot 
burnt timber
This will pull down most of not all the unstable/alpha cores
They will go into _Unstable
maiden sigil
@gloomy void hey, do you still happen to have that working IBM PC-Jr bios?
😄
I tried renaming the BIN in your github to a .ROM but it won't boot on the pcxt core, just stuck on the core splash screen
gloomy void
<@593771516232204298> hey, do you still happen to have that working IBM PC-Jr bi...
Well, it works halfway, you can't actually boot the operating system on the MiSTer PCXT core. As I've said several times before, consider the Tandy 1000 compatibility as a gift.
maiden sigil
https://tenor.com/view/huh-what-confused-gif-25760097
I was copying some files from gearheads which happened to be an incomplete windows 3.11 folder maybe? And it overwrote running processes maybe without confirming a damn thing?
And then I rebooted into that monstrosity
maiden sigil
That’s coming soon
burnt timber
My man
burnt timber
Dont forget to enable FASTROM (read: HIMEM.sys)
maiden sigil
burnt timber
Maybe you can figure out how to get Rusty running right on ao486. You are the one Neo ~
maiden sigil
What’s rusty?
burnt timber
A really cool Castlevania clone by C-Lab for PC98 and DOS
Dontcha wanna play it?
On yer MiSTer?
burnt timber
puu's PC98 core is uhm.. not up to the task. So DOS port is the only hope atm
maiden sigil
junior hemlock
I love weird Castlevania clones that are actually decent lol. I think Touhou has a couple too.
burnt timber
Actually.. I think it does. Thanks you for asking to get me to look. Ill see if I can get it running
junior hemlock
Sweet
burnt timber
Rats, its not behaving right either. There is something about C-Lab's title screens on these DOS ports that ao486 doesnt like. Itll show the intro, and get to the title screen, but you cant get past there.
I've tried the different memory managers with no luck..
maiden sigil
Nobody sleeps until ibm pcjr boots
burnt timber
Unsure if serious
burnt timber
Tandies are IBM PC Jr clones basically, at least they started out that way
As time went on they diverged
burnt timber
goddamn leather company
thousand yard stare, remembers working at radio shack in early 00s
maiden sigil
Yeah me too 
burnt timber
There was always one guy that sat on his ass all day and sold cell phones for spiffs while everybody else did all the work and got rewarded for it
maiden sigil
Yup 🤣🤣🤣
thick pendant
Tandies are IBM PC Jr clones basically, at least they started out that way
Tandy at least did not cut corners by putting the keyboard on NMI interrupt. But honestly, both are junky compared to the Amiga 1000
which also came out in 1985
burnt timber
Speaking of which, why the hell did this come up in Super Attract Mode lol
burnt timber
Tandy at least did not cut corners by putting the keyboard on NMI interrupt. But...
Well I mean.. the Amiga was kind of amazeballs when it came out compared to everything else
burnt timber
I always find the Amiga 500 vs Sharp X68000 comparisons interesting
thick pendant
The X68000 I'd say is more powerful hardware, but more expensive. I believe Amiga probably had a more capable OS stack.
and they really did not compete in the same regions
burnt timber
My personal opinion is more the design side of things.. Amiga is a very carefully crafted technically complex machine while the X68000 is basically taking the kitchen sink approach to be powerful, kinda like a super scaler arcade pcb
umbral oar
the x68k has another thing going for it, which is that it looks totally rad
or at least every variant of it that I've seen
burnt timber
I did like my XVI Compact's aesthetics
gloomy bolt
I love BritComp shows. So much.
burnt timber
Mouse driven GUI is now WIMP from now on, I'm bringing it back
south stirrup
Tandy at least did not cut corners by putting the keyboard on NMI interrupt. But...
the Tandy 3 voice sound though is amazing
thick pendant
I like the British computer shows but The Computer Chronicles was pretty good too...
thick pendant
the Tandy 3 voice sound though is amazing
Amazing? not even compared to C= 64
burnt timber
From a US standpoint, it was quite good. yes, the SID slays it (and the 2A03, at least on paper) but a lot of people just wanted to get better than PC speaker going on
maiden sigil
thick pendant
yes, but it is like 3 PC speakers
burnt timber
Better than Speccy 16/48 but I guess thats not saying much ¯_(ツ)_/¯
burnt timber
Charlie Chaplin hovering over a desktop computer is like some weird anachronistic AI image
burnt timber
Like Hitler getting clobbered by a Cray
Id ask Midjourney to make that if I thought it wouldnt cock it up
thick pendant
How does it compare to the audio in the Amiga 1000 that came out the same year? Well, it doesn't...
gloomy bolt
Robert Downy Jr, obvs.
maiden sigil
🤣🤣🤣
burnt timber
How does it compare to the audio in the Amiga 1000 that came out the same year? ...
Amiga is like the gold standard to be fair.. and PCJr was half the price
gloomy bolt
Remember, Charlie Chaplin came in 20th at a Charlie Chaplin look-alike contest. So for all I know, this is the real deal.
burnt timber
Remember, Charlie Chaplin came in 20th at a Charlie Chaplin look-alike contest. ...
Do you believe IBM can afford necromancers?
I believe.
gloomy bolt
I think if anyone could, it'd be them. Deep Blue's real purpose was too nefarious to communicate. Too dark. Too greedy for immortality.
Fucking up chess snobs was just a side effect.
thick pendant
1985 --> PcJr US$1,269 vs Amiga 1000 US$1,285
thick pendant
I think kinda not nice term for girlfriend or female assistant
maiden sigil
Is that like an avatar
burnt timber
1985 --> PcJr US$1,269 vs Amiga 1000 US$1,285
Thats with 128kb RAM but yes
gloomy bolt
A listless out of work layabout, in those olden times words.
maiden sigil
Well yeah I know that tramp but it doesn’t make sense in this context
thick pendant
A1200 released witn 256
maiden sigil
Ahhh
burnt timber
A1200 released witn 256
Didn't it not sell well, regardless? Pretty sure thats why the A500 came out
thick pendant
Didn't it not sell well, regardless? Pretty sure thats why the A500 came out
People considered it an expensive games machine and not for real work...
burnt timber
Weird. You'd think the GUI- err WIMP would have been a nice selling point for productivity
thick pendant
Well, nobody really appreciated those features. I remember telling my dad about "multitasking" and he was like - who needs that?
burnt timber
Clearly multitasking was a dead end branch on the tree of home computing technology
thick pendant
Well, I explained it to him, but he dismissed it saying he could achieve the same thing with a print spooler and "Sidekick"
And finally I made a little headway when I explained I could (and often did) download stuff from a BBS and format a floppy simultaneously...
burnt timber
oof
thick pendant
My dad is very smart (engineer for space program) but people just considered the Amiga and the Mac toy computers.
burnt timber
I wonder if Japanese thought the same for the X68000
wheat folio
Charlie Chaplin hovering over a desktop computer is like some weird anachronisti...
But it’s not Charlie Chaplin. It’s a guy dressed like Charlie Chaplin. I never got that marketing thing. Hey look, Charlie Chaplin’s dead - but we paid this guy to dress up like him and well now here’s the MCA bus.
thick pendant
yeah, to me the Charlie Chaplin thing just illustrated how out of touch with reality IBM has always been.
wheat folio
You folks should use OS/2 because this guy is an actor with a hitler mustache. But it’s okay because he’s Charlie Chaplin. Not really, he’s a guy portraying Charlie Chaplin, a man who never used a computer nor an operating system.
thick pendant
Compared to Apple's superbowl (1984) commercial anyway 🙂
thick pendant
the personal computer was created because real computer people rejected IBM's batch processing mentality.
umbral oar
yeah, to me the Charlie Chaplin thing just illustrated how out of touch with rea...
the real out of touch thing was when they tried to get the aging cast of MASH to advertise PS/2...
the Chaplin thing was by all accounts a mega-success by comparison
gloomy bolt
They did a slew of 'em.
How do you think Radar REALLY lost his finger? You ever been inside a mainframe?
(Dell's 00s servers were basically just fan noise and knives on the inside)
gloomy bolt
"I WALKED ON YOUR FACE!" - Buzz Aldrin
That's a great commercial. Way more interesting than having Warhol sort of fumble through Deluxe Paint, which is somehow the only thing I ever saw.
burnt timber
what about Shatner's ads for uhh.. was it commodore?
thick pendant
this one did not age well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV0t4QIINLI
burnt timber
Thankfully silicon is immune to quaaludes
gloomy bolt
Bixby was so good.
wheat folio
burnt timber
The Commodaah Vic twenty!
thick pendant
Shatner - I'm still a fan 🙂
wheat folio
That odyssey commercial reminds me of the HBO intro
gloomy bolt
The Penguin shilled C128 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqyZl0yvwSs
thick pendant
wheat folio
You knew movie night was about to get serious when this came on.
burnt timber
thick pendant
Thats with 128kb RAM but yes
Also pcJr came with 64K or 128KB, 360K disk... for $16 you got twice the ram and over twice the floppy storage
burnt timber
If you're trying to convince me an Amiga 1000 is better than an IBM PC Jr, you will not find much resistance
waxen ruin
Tramp was correctly defined above (out of work, layabout). Although, it should be noted, that Chaplin's character was typically very eager for work, but unable to find it. Charlie Chaplin's onscreen persona was known as the Tramp (or the Little Tramp): see the film "The Tramp". The IBM marketing campaign was probably a reference to one of Chaplin's most famous films "Modern Times", in which the Tramp has mishap after mishap with the latest inventions and machinery. I assume the point of the campaign was to contrast this with the ease of use of IBM computers. And if you've never seen "Modern Times" (and many of his other best films), you really should.
maiden sigil
that makes more sense, thank you!
burnt timber
burnt timber
Finally got the original Thunderforce running on the MiSTer
I was hoping to get the PC98 version running but it doesnt boot in the alpha/test core
burnt timber
Thunderforce 1 is..
Well.
An effort.
They sure upped their game for 2. Probably just fire up the X68000 version of that later.
storm pewter
Talking about early Japanese PCs, check out this amazing homebrew port of Gradius for the PC6001: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGPGAJpf87M
burnt timber
That's very impressive considering the hardware limitations.
junior hemlock
burnt timber
You fraud, you know nothing about the glory of IBM PC Jr and its Tandy clones
maiden sigil
That’s simply not true sir and I shall be suing you for slander
burnt timber
Get over to the XT core and start cramming. Quiz this Friday
maiden sigil
I got an 81-89’ drive image
burnt timber
Good man
wheat folio
Let's say I got Flynn's top whatever pack. How hard is it to extract and configure that for a real PC?
waxen brook
Let's say I got Flynn's top whatever pack. How hard is it to extract and configu...
its based on ExoDOS. use that instead on PC's. it's comprehensive and well put together
waxen brook
the 300 pack is based on exodos, I should say. His other shareware pack is custom and better integrated into MiSTer
waxen brook
52gb for lite?
ExoDOS covers literally everything, from sports and edutainment to normal games. Many of them are on CD also, hence the large size.
wheat folio
Looks like pick and choosing from the full pack is better
burnt timber
Except for that time they made the MSX
opal void
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Plus!
Me
opal void
Except for that time they made the MSX
Did they?
burnt timber
Exposed for laziness again MS
opal void
ASCII corp did the most
Yeah exactly
Porting msdos to MSX was sub contracted to one programmer lol
maiden sigil
I feel like I'm never gonna find that old roller coaster app I had
;_;
even tipofmyjoystick can't find it
though it found something closely similar
thick pendant
Jack Tramiel in 1977 acquired a one time license from M$FT for BASIC for $50K which he used in maybe 20 million computers... MicroShaft never made that mistake again...
copper slate
Just wondering who still remembers this
What about this?
crimson fulcrum
what about bob
burnt timber
what _about_ bob
baby steps
crimson fulcrum
I remember owning it on VHS and watching it a lot
I haven't watched it since that time though
copper slate
Seriously though, people working hard to get Win95 running on the MiSTer but who’s going to be the real hero and get Bob working?
Should run better than 95.
crimson fulcrum
bob just ran ontop of windows
it should run on win95 on ao486 I think
I once ran it on xp for shiggles, it worked
copper slate
Oh, I thought it was it’s own thing
gloomy bolt
Nope, just an overlay app suite.
But tons of trials from Bob ended up in Chicago and moved into 95 proper.
ME is another product I'll defend not for what it was, but for what it pioneered.
XP owes a ton to ME for its features. And to 2k for its function.
void belfry
Seriously though, people working hard to get Win95 running on the MiSTer but who...
It totally works on ao486 under Win95 🙂
NT 4.0 Workstation will crap out at animated parts , so not much of use on that OS 🙂
Dunno about Win 3.1 yet , but on W95 is quite fun lol
copper slate
@void belfry is a hero!
void belfry
Lol, i quite like this :))) customizing the rooms can become addictive
thick pendant
I guess you need a better video driver
maiden sigil
damn you os/2
void belfry
yeah... on my To Do list for a while
maiden sigil
I'm gonna try to get plan 9 working
thick pendant
I wonder if I still have my free copy of BOB
void belfry
I'm gonna try to get plan 9 working
think I gave up at some point, don't remember exactly the issue. It is something very obscure for me anyway (Plan 9). Let us know the outcome lol
maiden sigil
for sure!
thick pendant
I thought BOB ran under 3.1
void belfry
according to Wiki, it does 🙂 OS/2 is just for the lolz
lol, it works 😄
no sound also under OS/2 warp at least from my quick tryout
and ofc, it is way slower than on W95
void belfry
try it first in PCEm maybe and see if you can boot the vhd on MiSTer afterwards ?
probably very slim chances tbh
maiden sigil
whats pcem?
void belfry
PC Emulator. quite nice and easy to use
maiden sigil
ah
void belfry
emulates from XT to Pentium MMX i think. For 486 is more than ok
crimson fulcrum
this is like a lot of work to run an OS even the creators do not care about anymore
maiden sigil
xD
crimson fulcrum
the plan 9 guys moved on to ruin programming by creating Go
maiden sigil
oh god
crimson fulcrum
Bell Labs is one long string of Rob Pike & co doing things
an amount of time ago I had a desktop with those cold-swapable IDE drive caddies mounted in the 5.25 slots
I spent a lot of time derping around with operating systems
one was plan 9, and it is an interesting concept but there's a reason it ain't even a blip
at least the mascot is cute
maiden sigil
ok 9front is getting much further
void belfry
if it runs, it would be the 2nd Unix-based OS that works on ao486 lol (other than ELKS/Minix) afaik
crimson fulcrum
does NetBSD run?
void belfry
not to my knowledge
void belfry
ao486 worse than a toaster
it can run Fallout 😛 for me is more than enough lolz
maiden sigil
monitor is (vesa, xga, lcd, ...) [vesa]
Setting $monitor to anything besides vesa will bypass the emulated VESA BIOS and attempt to use a native VGA driver for the video card in question. Read: /lib/vgadb for a list of monitors and video cards that are already known by the system; and the man pages vga(3), vga(8) and vgadb(6) for more information about how graphical displays are configured.
any ideas what I could possibly put in there?
using this data?
maybe gonna just try vga
it accepted it
ah it can't open the gui
goes to prompt still
maiden sigil
currently going through the install process
it can't find an ethernet card so there's that
void belfry
understandable 🙂 if it know SLIP/PPP or has modem terminals, connecting to internet will be easier
maiden sigil
the least of my concerns anyway, not like I really wanna put these things online or network anything personally
void belfry
i do 😛
maiden sigil
xD
void belfry
I thought BOB ran under 3.1
btw, do you know of a compatible video driver for Win 3.11 ?
lol, on Windoze 3.11fW (with whatever VGA 16 colors driver it has default)
maiden sigil
it may be locking up during the mountdist phase
I'm letting it sit for a while
I tried restarting the installation and still stuck at the same spot
so maybe it just needs time
void belfry
just a suggestion: try Win+PrtScr key ?
maiden sigil
oh nice
much better
so its locking up trying to rescan the CD it seems
the same cd it boots off of
🤔
I'm gonna let it sit through lunch, just in case
void belfry
meanwhile, got a somewhat (needs more tests) working ET4000 driver for Win 3.11 😄 maxed up to 1024x768 with 256 colors 😄
maiden sigil
holy crap
void belfry
Microsoft BOB unfortunately craps out when "running" on W3.11
maiden sigil
void belfry
i know.. it breaks my heart too :D))))
now i realize I have zero games (other than Solitaire/Minesweeper/Hearts) on my 3.11 vhd to test out the new resolutions
maiden sigil
oh dear, unprepared
void belfry
badly
void belfry
on my side, 1024x768x256 mode do often glitch (doesn't redraw the windows properly), so moving to lesser res at least for the moment
void belfry
damn, all modes are glitchy 😄
void belfry
clearly 😄
maiden sigil
on my end, skipping the /dev/sdD0/data ends up causing an empty concatenation file, so I'm thinking its slowly concatenating the cd contents
letting it run again
void belfry
lmao :)) I will test at some point on a PCEm/DosBox if i get to the same results with Windoz 3.11 and M$ Bob :D)))
maiden sigil
void belfry
So far, from my tests, Microsoft Bob works best on ao486 on Win 95
Other OSes gave mixed results at best:
Win 98 second best, though (at least on my very crappy w98 VHD) gets choppy especially on sound effects. Still playable
OS/2 (ver 3 Connect and 4 Warp) - works, albeit choppy, only in 16 colors and no sounds (no proper video driver, L1 cache off issues come to mind)
NT 4.0 Workstation - unplayable, no animation works etc
Win 3.11fW - unplayable, errors out, also issues with video driver/modes
thick pendant
lmao :)) I will test at some point on a PCEm/DosBox if i get to the same results...
Maybe you need to load Win32s
void belfry
Maybe you need to load Win32s
hmm, totally forgot that was a thing 😄
void belfry
neah, no dice
W95 800x600 16 bit colors (High Color) is clearly the winner on this one
launching games that change the resolution (at least for Fallout 1 and Panzer General 2 that I've tested) would kinda break it (still workable though but with glitches and some error msg complaining about it)
standard stuff seems to work ok 🙂
void belfry
at least Geo Safari portion of this will keep me entertained for a while. Heh, didn't quite appreciate educational software (Encarta included) at its time, but it could be quite fun
maiden sigil
I gave up on plan 9, it wont progress
void belfry
cross-check it with PCEm/Dosbox, maybe you'll crack it
maiden sigil
good idea
void belfry
in my exp with Unix/Linux variants on ao486, usually it was (sometimes combo), the lack of FPU (on some distros I "think" it might be compiled before without it), IDE implementation and some memory issues were the culprits
void belfry
yeah, get them separately and unzip them on /roms folder of PCEm 😄
void belfry
beats me, I usually went for Award SiS 486/487 with Tseng ET4000 and SB Pro, albeit not 100% like our ao486 core
maiden sigil
fair
void belfry
also, most of times you need to also specify HDD cylinders in BIOS setup (hit Del, IDE HDD autodetection, hit the one option that matches the cylinders of the VHD you've created - usually 1 , like on a real computer's BIOS lol)
for PCEm, that is
anyway, I blame @copper slate for this recent "addiction" :))) (no joke now, it made a fun afternoon and also raised for me some questions/future tests on some ao486 supported OSes)
burnt timber
There is something interesting going on in here.. I have much scrolling/reading to do
😎 
void belfry
like ? 😄
what else beyond Fallout 2 and Age of Empires ? ( those seems to me to be the most overkill lol)
burnt timber
Rusty DOS port, Totsugeki Mix, Battle of the Eras
void belfry
damn, more rabbits holes
burnt timber
First 2 have freezing and weirdness on the title screen, Battle of the Eras crashes before getting to gameplay
void belfry
i have zero knowledge about what you said 😄
void belfry
Might be. Not for the program itself, but on which DOS/memory manager/maybe some other stuff it is supposed to run
burnt timber
I tried all the memory managers it had on boot, Im pretty sure all 3 of them used Himem.sys anyway but the others didnt help
maiden sigil
I can't get pcem to boot off a cd
oh well
twas a silly idea anyway
back to trying to get pcjr working
void belfry
I can't get pcem to boot off a cd
depend on BIOS used. some may support that, some may not
maiden sigil
yeah I tried both 486 bios's, they suck 🤣
void belfry
sis one i mentioned doesn't support that afaik
maiden sigil
its alright anyway, there should have been a gui and it couldn't display that 😦
void belfry
I tried all the memory managers it had on boot, Im pretty sure all 3 of them use...
i have to try some day that pack. Usually i test what i like on my own vhds, some curated, most of them not
burnt timber
I usually curate, but I wanted to explore all the DOS games Id never played as a kid
void belfry
same lol
but i try one at a time, some might need more plain conventional memory, some would work best with QEMM, some with Dos32 and so on
I have discovered some really nice gems among the ones suggested of via forum/Discord (e.g. Ravenloft Stone Prophet, Might and Magic 4, Operation Neptune, even M$ Bob etc) which I entirely missed them at their time
burnt timber
One Must Fall 2097 is a favorite of mine
burnt timber
I have a soft spot for Raptor: Call of the Shadows.. mostly that hangar music on adlib
void belfry
yep, love Raptor game too 🙂 works fine btw
burnt timber
OMF 2097 works decently, but it crashes often for me
maiden sigil
are there really only 3 games for the APPLE I lol
burnt timber
Wasnt the Apple I just a mail order kit?
void belfry
I Have no Mouth and I Must Scream -- try this one 🙂
burnt timber
Ooh yeah, thats a good one
maiden sigil
yeah it was
burnt timber
Sam and Max Hit the Road was one I liked
void belfry
good one too
burnt timber
Hm, I was going to test FX Fighter on the core but its not in my DOS hdd image for 1995. Anyone up for the task?
maiden sigil
on it
burnt timber
Thankie
maiden sigil
ew its not on mine either
gloomy bolt
There's only one fighting game that was destined to rule on the MiSTer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZyesDxMWAk
burnt timber
Oh dont you worry, we'll get Battle of Eras running sooner or later to take the crown
void belfry
burnt timber
Hows it run TO?
void belfry
weird. I don't know this game at all, but it seems to somehow work with controller default
and it blocks at some point, might be very be me pushing buttons lol
burnt timber
It freezes?
void belfry
yes
burnt timber
Darn.
void belfry
at least on my very first run, using its dos4gw, no XMS/EMS/QEMM
using DOS 7.1 btw
might very well play nice with other mem managers/setups
uneven cliff
Thank you for trying it
void belfry
FMV plays nice btw :))
well, it starts already (tested with options HIRAM - most of DOS crap loaded in high mem and QEMM setups -again inspired/copied from Flynnsbit's DOS 7.1 VHDs) but after fighting starts, it will last about 10-15 sec until it will freeze
uneven cliff
I forgot a few months ago I snagged all those VHDs
burnt timber
Kinda cool to see a polygonal fighter on PC with no accelerator card needed
uneven cliff
That game has a praying mantis character
It deserves street fighter level prominence just because
Is the ao486 maxed out or is there a lot of pending work to be done? Some of the games in Top300 pack run reaaal slow
burnt timber
It's a 486 @ 90mhz so it wont run everything great
void belfry
Is the ao486 maxed out or is there a lot of pending work to be done? Some of the...
define slow 🙂
not from Top300 pack, I know lol 😄
opal void
We need top300 pack for win9x games
opal void
What is rpi gpu
void belfry
hah.. with "extended" setting I got about 2-4 mins of FX Fighter play until the freeze 😄
void belfry
as said before, FMV intro scenes will work, same for game menu, but when it comes to fight scenes, it is a matter of under 1 min until it will freeze , no matter what I have tried on DOS 7.1
curiously for me that it worked out of the box with controller (keyboard setup seems horrendous to me)
burnt timber
A lot of DOS games needed calibration, I guess by 95 it wasnt as common
void belfry
yeah, I knew back then the concept, but never had one, played only with keyboard and mouse lo
but this game freezes also when just playing dummy fights in tournament mode, so don't think it's about the controller in any way
burnt timber
Weird. Maybe some update to the core later will fix it.
burnt timber
thick pendant
It's a 486 @ 90mhz so it wont run everything great
More like a 486sx DX2 50mhz
at best
waxen brook
Anyone with an original VGA monitor willing to tell me how close I'm getting here to blur level? I'm using my "sloppy VGA double scan" mask here since we still don't have the high-res scanline options back from the old filter set. Looks good to me at normal sitting distance but I don't have a VGA monitor to compare with unfortunately..
https://youtu.be/2lg6Khq1Rdk
Final settings will be without the gamma correction also, so it will be slightly brighter than this.
Revisiting this has been awesome on the 486 core. I used @severe hull's flight stick recommendations from his recent videos and the throttle patch works some real magic with the original dos version of X-wing.
thick pendant
@waxen brook Nice job on the Another World video you posted the other day...
waxen brook
<@194330209875394561> Nice job on the Another World video you posted the other d...
Thanks! It's been 30 years since I first tried clearing that one, on the PC version. Never completed that but great to finally learn the game proper over the past year! Some of those sections are just dastardly tough..
thick pendant
That game is so cool with the 2D rasterized sprites, but ya totally non-forgiving game 🙂
I have a KDS 17 Trinitron, and I could take a pic(or cell phone video) of X-wing if you think it would be helpfull.
But to be honest, that thing is probably worn out and the brightness sufferers
wheat folio
Anyone with an original VGA monitor willing to tell me how close I'm getting her...
Let me try in the next few days.
waxen brook
Let me try in the next few days.
appreciate it & no rush! I'm due for a lot more pilot training before I record a video 😄
just ping me if either of you have a chance to fire it up 🙂
wheat folio
I need a reason to do more configuring on my DOS machine. I have a non-trinitron monitor on it presently so should contrast interestingly with @thick pendant
waxen brook
sweet, different types of masks are just what the doctor ordered
burnt timber
How many VGA monitors were actually aperture grille in the 90s? I'd assume anything not Sony would be shadow mask
waxen brook
here are the videos by Lu that helped me set up proper flight stick control for the 486 core/X-Wing. He links a patch that does wonders for making throttle on a stick work:
https://youtu.be/oFHOnXR050Y
The patch has issues with the Top300 pack, and needs to be run each time- you'll need to delete the XWJOY.con file it creates and re-run it each time you re-load the core. Its a quick process and i just made a batch file to automate that in the "manually added games" section. Game seems to run best with QEMM also. I had freezes with EMM386
thick pendant
@waxen brook I don't have an actual retro PC to drive the KDS monitor, what video settings should I use for ao486?
waxen brook
I've never run the core on an analog display. if its any trouble dont worry about it, not a biggie
thick pendant
Well, it does work, but I wonder if ao486 would alter the experience. ao486 needs to use the scaler, I'd assume I should disable that?
waxen brook
From what I recall, the AO486 needs the scaler for any kind of analog output. Might have changed though? I have no experience there
burnt timber
More like a 486sx DX2 50mhz
I see, can you please elaborate
thick pendant
it would be better if I had a real PC of that era to use with the KDS monitor
wheat folio
Somebody pushed out an update that recognizes certain resolutions and tries to switch to match.
So it’s still not sending the original signal but it’s trying.
I’m wondering if it matches refresh rates too
Personally I’d love an fpga that implements everything but the CPU.
thick pendant
I see, can you please elaborate
Yes, its got no FPU - so SX. It it more on par with a 33mhz 486 (at least) with VLB or PCI video (the VGA is very fast) but its just maybe up clocked doubled 486sx (best case)
burnt timber
Yes, its got no FPU - so SX. It it more on par with a 33mhz 486 (at least) with ...
Okay, its just confusing because it has different clock speed settings
waxen brook
This is interesting. I didn't realize that the CD-ROM release messed up the MT-32 soundtrack, and noticed it sounded a bit "off"
wheat folio
Ao486 runs as fast as it does because it has oodles of cache
waxen brook
I wonder if its possible to patch the CD-ROM version with the MT-32 assets from the disk version? Maybe thats already done in the top 300 pack..
thick pendant
yes, but that is nothing unusual in the PC era. the AMD and Cyrix CPUs at 133mhz were comparable both to the price and performance to the Intel P75...
wheat folio
It’s shocking how slow my Pentium III 500 is when I use SETMUL to disable cache.
maiden sigil
when pentium core
burnt timber
MiSTer have ARM
Nintendo DS have ARM
Grugg want MiSTer core for DS, why not done?
bangs I/O board and DE-10 nano together
burnt timber
me. make. fire.
maiden sigil
Couldn’t be a better gif for this moment
burnt timber
I took that from your security camera when you were working on OS/2
maiden sigil
2 white whales for me still though, I can’t give up until I get them
I’ll pull a bathead and just pester the room until someone fixes it
maiden sigil
crimson fulcrum
that's just me every day of the week
maiden sigil
Ahahah
burnt timber
Can we just pin that picture to the top of this channel please
burnt timber
Yeah thats what happened to mr hands
maiden sigil
🤣🤣🤣
burnt timber
oh we have fun
wheat folio
@waxen brook I need to watch your video more closely and figure out how to record my PC doing DOS’s wacky 70hz but here’s a screenshot of X-Wing.
My raw camera won’t do 1/70 shutter speed.
Or 1/69.9 or whatever
VGA is such a pain
waxen brook
<@194330209875394561> I need to watch your video more closely and figure out how...
Thanks! That's pretty close to the level I'm at now, maybe a bit sharper on my end which is good because youtube's 1080p encoder will soften things slightly also. Wish we had the high-res scanline filters back from the old set so I wouldn't have to rely on the sloppy double-scan mask I made and could use a slightly textured dot mask instead
wheat folio
Thanks! That's pretty close to the level I'm at now, maybe a bit sharper on my e...
It gave me an excuse to play X-Wing again and then I decided to get a joystick working and now I’ve found USB joystick drivers for DOS and I’m ready to stick it to the empire.
waxen brook
It gave me an excuse to play X-Wing again and then I decided to get a joystick w...
upgrade the experience with this: https://github.com/pagej97/xwjoy-redux
it will let the throttle on your joystick work, if it has one. normally you have to use 6 keyboard keys to control it. much better this way
wheat folio
I’m using a cheapo Logitech dual stick gamepad thingy
I seem to remember just getting behind enemies and mashing “match speed” rather than using a throttle.
But I don’t recall if I was any good at the game or not… I’ll look at that
waxen brook
match speed wasnt added until the follow-up game TIE Fighter
waxen brook
I want to try to play the original disk based version of X-Wing with the MT-32 soundtrack fully intact (it's broken on the CD-Rom and later releases and uses the GM soundtrack instead 🤮 )
Can anyone recommend a tool to convert the floppy zips I have into img files? dont know if something special is needed there
waxen brook
I figured it out without creating images, after trying repeatedly and getting "read error on drive a:" messages..
just copied all the disks contents to the shared directory and installed from there.
The difference in quality between the original MT-32 soundtrack in X-Wing vs the awful forced GM (even if you select MT-32 in the installer!) in the CD-ROM version is incredible. I don't know if I can keep playing the CD version after this..
Wish someone would have hacked the CD version to fix the MT-32 support. Probably no easy task
waxen brook
just located my expansion disks to complete the floppy version. This is gonna be fun, and I wont have to turn down the music because of the grating, unbalanced instruments anymore!
thick pendant
way back, I played Tie fighter using the Ensoniq Soundscape 2000...
maiden sigil
Did you know that if you look at a rainbow really closely you can be reminded that the ibm pcjr still doesn’t work on mister
maiden sigil
but does it work on IBM PCJr
inner relic
everyone mods their PCJr to be more compatible with the Tandy 1000 anyway
burnt timber
You were one of those kids that stayed up late to see the tv station go offline to see the test screen with the indian head werent you
waxen brook
Video of Star Wars: X-wing on MiSTer's 486 core with the MT-32 soundtrack, disk version with insane quality music (especially for '93!):
https://youtu.be/fLTXAci1JEY
Switches to a secondary cam setup when gameplay starts, with joystick cam added. I wanted to keep the intros as cinematic as possible without the distraction & clashing colors of the cam view there.
waxen brook
And here's the CD-ROM "Collector's Edition":
https://youtu.be/BJyYOp3KoQM
The incorrect effect used for the LucasArts logo always cracks me up. Just so damn out of place lol
Theres info in the descriptions for both videos sharing configurations for proper/better joystick support, and comparison points between both versions.
Thanks to @severe hull for the helpful video on setting up joysticks properly in the AO486 core, and the tip about the throttle patch! Works so damn good, but you need to use different patches depending on the game version. v1 patch for disk version w/ MIDI & v2 patch for the CD-ROM release, because of how the handling of sound effects changed.
thick pendant
Video of Star Wars: X-wing on MiSTer's 486 core with the MT-32 soundtrack, disk ...
the ao486 core does this game justice.
waxen brook
as does the mt32-pi!
sounds just as great as I remember it being on a real MT-32
In hindsight I probably should have released these on May 4th. Maybe I'll have a TIE Fighter video ready by then ^-^
any other great Star Wars games folks can recommend here?
thick pendant
I did not have a MT-32 back then, but I had a Ensoniq Soundscape 2000 and it was a pretty good experience there too
waxen brook
I did not have a MT-32 back then, but I had a Ensoniq Soundscape 2000 and it was...
Can tell a lot of care was put into that soundtrack. Makes it more of a shame they butchered MT-32 support in the CD version
I do enjoy the amusement of the misplaced hawk sound during the LucasArts logo though. Gets a laugh out of me every time
thick pendant
yeah, tight development schedules etc.. cut features.
waxen brook
everyone was rushing to get on the CD-ROM bandwagon, definitely happened to many companies back then with questionable first CD releases
I really need to update to v2 of the top300 pack. been putting that off for a while cause I don't want to set all my custom stuff up again 😅
maiden sigil
you gotta get ms metaverse
and total distortion
your heart has stopped and your brain is cold
you are so so deaddddddd
and now your body is starting to mold
your are so so deaddddddd
thick pendant
I really need to update to v2 of the top300 pack. been putting that off for a wh...
It might be pretty easy
waxen brook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaTxD-c4tjU
oh wow its a game.. i thought it was some modern microsoft product 🤮
maiden sigil
🤣
waxen brook
It might be pretty easy
It will be. I need to convert a bunch of CD stuff to CHD also, so may as well do it all in one fell swoop soon here
thick pendant
for sure. I'm also lagging on the "CD stuff to CHD" conversion
maiden sigil
whats the benefit of cd to chd?
waxen brook
less space used
maiden sigil
ahh
waxen brook
my 512GB SD card is filled to the brim
I keep having to delete Sega CD kusoge to make room for other stuff. I like my kuso explorations 😢
burnt timber
Network share time
waxen brook
they just dropped under $100! planning on possibly picking up a 1tb card on black friday
waxen brook
Network share time
I like having my library portable for when i visit friends and bring it along
maiden sigil
they just dropped under $100! planning on possibly picking up a 1tb card on blac...
nice!
inb4 "just use your hotspot and setup a virtual network, connect through a vnc..."
just bathead things
burnt timber
Are you trying to reference a VPN?
maiden sigil
yeah that
burnt timber
I.. guess that would work. Huh..
void belfry
Could not have MS Bob installed completely without it's only Add-on lol
void belfry
Another shot in the past 🙂 Now this I remember from back then and specifically remember the day/colleague who 🦜 borrowed me that CD
maiden sigil
There was one that I used to have, it was like a whole body/doctor education game
Pretty sure it was on 95/98
burnt timber
Pretty sure it was on 95/98
3D Body Adventure?
... hot
maiden sigil
🤣
burnt timber
maiden sigil
Nope
burnt timber
maiden sigil
burnt timber
See the 1988 one was what I played. Because I'm old
maiden sigil
burnt timber
But yes over 40
maiden sigil
Damn you old fart
burnt timber
Damn you old fart
maiden sigil
burnt timber
Tandy Ride or Die
maiden sigil
You’re gonna head down the same road as Tupac spittin that Tandy coast pcjr coast bullshit
burnt timber
You’re gonna head down the same road as Tupac spittin that Tandy coast pcjr coas...
I looked for a tattoo of the Tandy Leather company logo but literally no one is stupid enough to get that
maiden sigil
burnt timber
No amount of spiffs will make that happen
void belfry
F*%# you, Phil. I should have let Dogmeat eat your face, Phil.
maiden sigil
Lmao
copper slate
Howwww, do y’all just throw entire disc libraries on your MiSTer?
burnt timber
Curate curate curate
copper slate
I actually have a huge list of games but I also make a favorites folder.
So it’s curating within a curation
burnt timber
I did that with my NES folder
iNES 2.0 fullset, but a "collection" folder to replicate my old physical media collection
But since this is the computer cores channel
WWF Wrestling game with human trafficking and gambling
void belfry
Hmm, might have found out a solution for FX Fighter on ao486 🙂 Still testing my theory, but in short it involves using QEMM and DOS32A and Q87 FPU emulator
so far the game works fine (i have zero knowledge in it but won/lost a few rounds) and if my theory confirms, it should stop working when demo Q87 emulation expires (around 20 mins )
and it does so
aand again crashes, I do not own a full version of Q87 to test it out beyond
but at least I got around 15 mins of play without issue, even stress tested it on random COU only tournaments (before it would crashed after same few seconds as normal play)
void belfry
my QEMM setup, the rest is normal Dos 7.1 stuff. After boot, I loaded Q87 v413 (inspired by this random discussion I have read https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=69324) AND used DOS32A for the game, as DOS4GW default one craps out a bit faster than DOS32A (2-5 mins diff)
void belfry
Anyway, (very) far from a perfect solution on these kind of issues, but as it is, it gives out so far best workaround and about 10-15 mins of playability on this game specifically
void belfry
Using EMM386 instead of QEMM, I get about the same 10 to a max of 15 mins until it crashes
think anyone can replicate and test this by manually adding the game to Flynnsbit's Top 300 pack. It already has Q87 in C:\Drivers\Q87 and the EMM86/QEMM/other settings on my custom VHDs are inspired/customized from that pack
From the readme: "FX Fighter relies on BRender Technology which operates on a floating-point coprocessor" 🙂 So that is that, it's been fun it even worked on ao486 with Q87 lol
uneven cliff
Wow! Nice investigating work.
So is this some kind of floating point rounding error that finally crashes it you think?
void belfry
yes. Q87 is a fpu emulator (it uses EMM86/QEMM to not use conventional mem). It ofc it is old/demo version, so it has its limits (beyond that demo 20 mins limited usage) when used with ao486
burnt timber
Dang. TO you gotta hook me up with one of your DOS 7.1 images
void belfry
without it, as soon as any type of fight/tournament/whatever involves 3D you would try, it would crash within seconds, which would be normal i guess
void belfry
Dang. TO you gotta hook me up with one of your DOS 7.1 images
as I said, it is just standard VHD with DOS 7.1 (for convenience made it in PCEmu) then just stripped autoexec.bat/config.sys from Flynsbit's pack (removed the fancy interface and such 😄 )
burnt timber
yeah but I'm lazy
void belfry
I can't really share those I use (unless i really get my ass one day to curate one) as they might contain *ahem not to distribute stuff
but as I said, the above tests on FX Fighter can be duplicated on Top 300 pack by manually adding the game
burnt timber
I can't really share those I use (unless i really get my ass one day to curate o...
The person who taught me about A/V capture on the shmups forums sent me the most dry and emotionless german pornography to explain deinterlacing techniques. Have no fear.
void belfry
lol. i was referring to still copyrighted stuff (even if it is technically abandonware and no way to communicate with owners)
burnt timber
Hehe, no problem. PM me if you ever feel like sharing one of your images.
void belfry
Anyway, back to our problem: ao486 not having an FPU clearly for me at least is the main culprit of crashing the game. Now, I didn't test other FPU emulators (again I am looking through @vestal ginkgo Top 300 pack utilities and seeing some more related). Might work, might not work... but worth a try
I am in no way versed on x87 MS DOS emulators, so I am very skeptical to begin with, depends on how much the game engine relies on FPU instructions and how good can those emulate it under ao486
and no, not even the use of Q87 can make Quake work on current core 😛
burnt timber
Thanks for spending the time to figure that out
I certainly have more games for you to investigate if you're willing lol
void belfry
:))) sure, I like challenges. But be very aware of core's limitations 🙂 I beat Fallout 1 on ao486, but it was in no way at all a smooth ride 🙂
burnt timber
I think the two games I have in mind should be able to run, I just dont know why they have issues
Rusty and Totsugeki Mix are both by C-Lab and have issues of freezing on the title screen
void belfry
why do I have the feeling is about JP characters ?
burnt timber
You are probably right
void belfry
or maybe not, it (Rusty, the only one I've quick tried) freezes as well on my DOS 6.2 JP, even before that. But to be fair, i didn't make much mem management config on that VHD (not all US Ms DOS std apps would work and so on )
burnt timber
Im hoping its not some inherent issue with the core
void belfry
I don't know these games and how they behave on a real 486 (with/without FPU depends on case). Also, even back then you could find countless incompatibilities among systems.
That along plus ao486 being what it is. I am truly amazed some times on what it can pull off
burnt timber
They are both ports of PC98 games, sadly puu's core is not able to run either of them acceptably at the moment
burnt timber
If it can get to gameplay somehow Id be impressed
void belfry
cute
burnt timber
Yes, anime themed stuff of course
void belfry
burnt timber
!
void belfry
as i said, turn L1 cache off
burnt timber
Firing it up now, many thanks
void belfry
I like the music lol
burnt timber
Good OPL stuff, the Japanese knew their FM
void belfry
it would have been useful to read anything about control scheme before lol
burnt timber
Hm.. the music is playing really fast lol
Yeah thats not right.. I wonder why L1 cache would affect that
void belfry
Thinking that this game was first released on PC98, ao486 with L1 might be too fast for the game to handle
burnt timber
I mean, its booting to gameplay, thats a big upgrade
void belfry
you can play it fine (again i have no way to compare with any of the releases) as far as i see. And if you already know the controls, you probably can play it better than me lol
burnt timber
It's just a basic Castlevania clone, jump and attack I think
void belfry
yeah, I am not good at Castlevania either 🙂 and especially on MSDOS ports of them 😄
burnt timber
I never thought that the core would be too fast to run them properly lol.. thats a new one with ao486
undone anvil
Really? I thought that's part of the reason for the PC XT core
void belfry
think there are a lot other games that ao486 would be too fast,
burnt timber
Here's the weird thing though
Rusty came out in 1994
Im willing to try it on the XT core but I dont think its going to work
void belfry
yeah, but again, compare it with a real thing, ao486 is not a perfect replica of a system that time. It has its pros and cons, and sometimes its pros (like the L1 cache) can work "against" it (like in Os/2 warp, this Rusty game and probably some more)
don't think it would work on XT, it's clearly not made for those systems.
anyway, @burnt timber , try also the other game, with same L1 turned off