🌈lgbtq

[brazen willow]

Confusion

Also I’mma just ask this do y’all like my status?

[lunar grail]

so true

[prisma agate]

Yeah sooo true

[shy meteor]

Pride goth pride goth pride goth pride

Outside light is better

[wicked jungle]

bright pride goth :OO

did the rainbow belt come with the dress or is this your glorious combination skills that brought em together? ;w;

[shy meteor]

I combined them hahaha it's effectively the only belt I own so I wear it with basically everything

[wicked jungle]

haha understandable, it's really pretty

and everything goes with black - so putting literally everything aka rainbow next to is is just chefs kiss

[shy meteor]

Exactly! The shoes are the ones I posted a little while back :3

[wicked jungle]

omg yes, i see

the black ones are sold out but the other black rainbow shoes are still available if i remember correctly 🤔

[shy meteor]

Hehe I'd have to check for that but they might be

[iron escarp]

ooh thats really nice

[shy meteor]

[civic shadow]

Love how my mom, who doesn't support the LGBTQ community, has to read out every article she sees of someone coming out or transitioning just so she can make snide comments.

[cosmic basin]

That's gross and disrespectful and terrible and actually everything bad

[civic shadow]

Yeah pretty frustrating. Especially knowing she has gay friends

As a strong supporter and member of the community, it's quite annoying.

[harsh knot]

Ew, that’s real bad

[wicked jungle]

reminds me of this cause honestly mind your own business instead of bringing finally openly comfortable people down: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ed/b1/ba/edb1ba9413f30a5b6bdcc623622017d9.jpg

[tight robin]

hey I have a meme for this

[orchid flume]

My Mom screamed at me because I called her "cis."

[wicked jungle]

apparently very effective attack 👀

or is she just scared of her own being 🤔

[iron escarp]

i mean for some reason some cis people dont like being called on the fact they are cis? like ive heard of it before

[orchid flume]

Being called cis always made me feel weird, then I realized I wasn't cis fdsdgdfghh

[radiant tundra]

I think they just don’t like terms that they don’t have to think about what they are. Like the same as some straight people don’t like being called straight bc putting a term to it when it’s the assumed standard is ‘weird’ I guess

[iron escarp]

i suppose so

i mean it usually does get accompanied with the feeling that being cis/straight is the norm or normal

[vast jacinth]

start off with the easiest answer though: are you sure she knows the term & what it means, or that she understands it to be a label & not a reactionary term created to label her as 'apart from our group'? even if she knows what it means, she might think of it like you calling her a normie

[civic shadow]

Some people also might think it's insulting or rude if they don't fully understand what the term means

[iron escarp]

i guess that could be true

[supple brook]

Also: a lot of people think of trans as an insult so they automatically think cis is insulting as wdll

[iron escarp]

you make an excellent but painful point

[wicked jungle]

gay was/is also an insult *shrug

[vast jacinth]

eh, everything's proportionately as insulting as the injured party is insulted

[twilit lake]

As with many things, context is everything I feel

[orchid flume]

Mom's a huge transbhobe that's why she got offended

She grounded me for refusing to misgender our lovely trans neighbor

[orchid flume]

Two wolves inside of me.
Wolf one: "That's not how beavers work."
Wolf 2: "TRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANS BEAVER!"

[vast jacinth]

I have that one in my head too, I know what you mean. normally I'm abnormally upset by anthrocentricism, but here I'm willing to let it go, just doesn't feel like it'd create any actual misconception

[orchid flume]

Agreed

[vast jacinth]

also my condolences for your mom, that's awful

[orchid flume]

She said if any of us ended up as gay, trans, or non-binary she'd disown us. I got 2/3

[vast jacinth]

any of the rest of your siblings...?

[orchid flume]

One of my sisters is bi, but Mom said she won't be disowned if she only dates guys, and the other is gray aro-ace but is getting married to the single guy she's ever been attracted to.

[vast jacinth]

well at least if all of you aren't het you've got some grounds for solidarity if you wanted to try to arrange some group evac from toxic behavior. usually the only thing that can get through to that kind of mindset is to see losing everything due to their 'principles'

[orchid flume]

I'll be fine, the other two are out of the house and soon I'll follow suit

[vast jacinth]

fair enough, doesn't sound like the lot of you will be eager to be looking back much. might be the same as the suggestion in effect

[orchid flume]

I'll be fine away from her.

[vast jacinth]

hope so, I can empathize with mine to some extent

she's just deluded, doesn't talk disowning & digging in her heels like that, more on the subtle racist / sexist side of talking nebulous hippy garbage about the universe sorting things out so they get what's coming to them, but still somewhat similar warped regressive principles

[orchid flume]

Ugh gross

[vast jacinth]

surely easier to live with than your situation, I just have to ignore her, but I can relate to looking upon a parent as hopeless

(& that's my better parent: dad's just a classic narcissist, boring)

[orchid flume]

My step Dad's a huge Christian, my step mom knows and it cool with it, and bio Dad hates being a parent

[vast jacinth]

I don't think either of mine have ever really found anyone else who'd tolerate either since their divorce when I was ~3...guess I'm thankful for the simplicity of that, & being raised jewish doesn't afford the same...gross misinterpretations from myriad religious texts at least

[orchid flume]

Nods

[vast jacinth]

really, very few people are fit to parent well. prepared to learn who their kid unfolds to being suited to becoming & supporting & fostering that instead of projecting ideals & trying to mold the youth by preconceptions (or just falling into circumstances regardless of life wants)

[orchid flume]

Yeah...

On a lighter note I'm an artist/author (mostly fanfiction and beginner level art.) And I made a character trans on accident, but loved it so much I'm glad I'm did it.

[vast jacinth]

I love when your characters open up to you like that & surprise you down the road

[orchid flume]

So the first accidental clue I put in that he was trans was when someone told him his name, Micah, was nice he answered, "Thank you, I picked it out myself."

[orchid flume]

Me too

[vast jacinth]

though I haven't been in character design in a long time now myself....nice, subtle one

[orchid flume]

Another time is he was complaining about how he couldn't grow facial hair. He admits he'd probably shave it, but the option would be nice.

[radiant tundra]

Not trying to interrupt the conversation, but I want to also mention in this chat that I posted a link in #🎲tabletop-and-boardgames to a bundle of ttrpgs that the cost goes towards trans rights organizations and there are at least a few of them that are queer/trans focused (I say a few bc I am slowly going through all 75 of them and organizing)

[orchid flume]

He always wears very heavy clothes even in the desert. Once explained to another trans character how to bind saying he had experience, and even mentioned how he works hard to pass as a guy. Reminder I didn't intend for him to be trans until after all this, I just realized I made him hella trans coded on accident, and decided it would be cool to make it canon

[vast jacinth]

that's the ideal, when it's not the defining character trait but just part of what shapes their experience....definitely need more or it

[orchid flume]

He's greasy bastard man normally

[vast jacinth]

was just reading a facebook update from an old friend complaining about the lack of it while watching brooklyn 99

that is I was...probably should have recommended the series to them, but I try to not directly converse with them, can be very volatile when I try

[orchid flume]

Ah... I get it

The only time it was directly confirmed he was trans was when he offhandedly mentioned to his adopted Dad while complaining he couldn't get a boyfriend.

[vast jacinth]

I mean it's also important to have those moments, if you don't overtly state the unmistakable truth of it sometime it won't even be representative

I guess I still prefer leaving it to inference to the polar opposite & queerbaiting, as it at least does something to shape people's minds to opening to the importance of diverse perspectives, even if they don't make the conscious realization unless it's their demographic...still more helpful to normalize it

but yeah, ideally you need a mix & well written, fleshed out characters

well I say that, I'm pretty hopeless as a writer though

[orchid flume]

I don't have a single cishet character admittedly

The token het is trans, and the token cis is a lesbian

[vast jacinth]

nothing wrong with writing what you know, is there 🤷

nothing more painful than male writers pulling female characters out of their ass

[orchid flume]

ever seen r/menwritingwomen?

[vast jacinth]

yeah

wife recently tried reading the wind up bird chronicles & just couldn't deal with it

sure is popular though

crazy how much of it is deemed worth publishing, reputing & sharing even

[vast jacinth]

my mom couldn't wait to get me in the kitchen so she'd never do it again....constantly tells me she doesn't know where I get it from: every thing I cook

[orchid flume]

I like cooking, my partner can't stand it, but it's okay I'll do it for both of us

[vast jacinth]

was cooking everything for myself by the end of grade school while she subsists on saltines, peanut butter & rum screwdrivers

my wife got the opposite, her mothers father was a pow who was kept alive because he was a chef, & her mom loved to cook because of it, which in turn got her a lot of paralyzing fear of being told she did things wrong & got kicked out of the kitchen all the time

I....guess I kind of lived down to that passage in that I got her past those fears, but we cook together which is what makes it enjoyable, so...not really

[orchid flume]

I'm really glad things are better

[vast jacinth]

yeah, just got to build on what's working well & hope it's contageous

[harsh knot]

it's sadly too true

[harsh knot]

ok so i just asked my bf if he wanted to watch a movie over discord and we both agreed: date time
i'm so happy right now i'm losing my mind hjagfjahsd

[dapper bough]

Congrats!

[mellow sand]

Yep that is a fun time. Me and my girlfriend do it all the time. Have a fun date.

[iron escarp]

i wish i could just stop being on tiktok

i saw a horrible take abt "becoming more gender critical" which is just terf rhetoric

specifically a gay cis man that believes gay trans guys are somehow fetishizing gay relationships

and that trans gay guys see gay relationships as yaoi? or some shit

istg even if it turns out im not panromantic but homoromantic
all of this bullshit would keep me from starting to use a different label

ive seen my asexuality, my transness, both in the aspect of transitioning towards not male but some form of gender that includes more masculine presentaion not just mocked but have those aspects be gatekept out of the gay community

like i dont even feel comfortable questioning my romantic identity anymore bc of shit like this

why is transness othered so much by other parts of the community that should be there for us

and i dont even have it as hard as transfemme/mtf trans/nonbinary folk in that regard because of how much more people tend to view them so negatively

whats the point of pride if only allosexual cis gay men are allowed to speak and exist relatively freely both within and outside our community

[harsh knot]

That sounds horrible! Trans people are equally valid and should be given the same respect and acknowledgment as the rest of the community. Gatekeeping is the exact opposite of what we all need

It makes me feel so sad that even in a community about inclusiveness there is gatekeeping like that, and I’m sorry you’re dealing with that

[iron escarp]

i mean honestly i wish i could see the majority of the community focus on being inclusive, but theres just so much loud and bad takes from literally the worst people

i mean i know i've said it here before but this space is the one of the only ones i've felt accepted in, everywhere else i go im excluded for one part of my identity or another, or invalidated in some way

some much more scathing than others, of course

[harsh knot]

I think it’s super important to just be accepting at the very least, and if people don’t accept you then they’re 100% in the wrong, doesn’t matter what excuses they come up with

Because you are valid! And it’s awesome that you feel accepted here

[iron escarp]

i know that they're in the wrong, but with the amount of swarming negativity i run into, it only becomes harder to accept my own identity if so many others villanize/other parts of it or even all of it in some cases

i don't belong in cis hetero allosexual society, but i certainly don't feel accepted enough to feel like im part of the lgbtq+ community either

[harsh knot]

That sounds horrible, I don’t know what else to say other than sorry that this is happening

[iron escarp]

its just so tiring and i wish it would just stop

[harsh knot]

I agree

[wicked jungle]

it will never really stop. there will always be ignorant people, or people who think of others being lesser than their own identity and being.

but just as there will always be people like that, there will always also be people who do the opposite, who will take care and time to educate themselves and educate others, who will look after you and make sure you're comfortable.

it's just your job to decide: will you live in pain via actually looking at the first kind of people or will you acknowledge that they exist and they are not worth thinking of and then get as much positivity as possible into your feed and into your life?
this is perfectly the reason why i wont ever join twitter or tiktok. i follow my 3 lgbt meme accounts on insta and sometimes tumble through lgbt reddit. but i will surely never go through the pride hashtag on twitter or tiktok to see people who describe my identity as "illness" or "unfair" or "narcissistic" or those who call "being transphobic" a sexuality.

it's not worth it to spend your mental energy into the education of unwilling, or even looking at those uneducated and unwilling to be educated.
just as it is not worth it to tell people who identify with something other than the majority that they are lesser :)

some positive posts for your feed and for you to be comfortable again:

[vast jacinth]

It is best to try to strike balance too of course, you don't want to invite toxic behavior in, but you don't exactly want to go the other way with a filter bubble either...gotta hope to enlighten some people along the way too

Provided you have the spoons

[wicked jungle]

in private life yes, on social media no

they keep getting their harmful beliefs filtered back to them so you being there saying "uhm, here, have some education" would be as helpful as blowing against the wind

[vast jacinth]

Yeah...online you'l create a filter bubble no matter what you look for, so don't look for toxic crap

[wicked jungle]

this is the last one i was missing, feel free to add onto the pile of positivity with your own memes, respect and adoration go out to everyone *fingerguns

[brazen willow]

Ah I love new Vegas memes ( the degenerates like you belong on a cross is from the legion)

[wicked jungle]

new vegas is fantastic, and so are the memes

[brazen willow]

Ye plus they’res so much gay representation in i

I mean gay in this context simply as homosexual so both mlm and wlw

[wicked jungle]

Arcade and Veronica i believe were the most important peeps' names - i love it so much 🥺

[wicked jungle]

yep and i believe you could even be bi

[brazen willow]

christine veronicas beloved

[brazen willow]

you could! (its technically optimal which i find funny)

[harsh knot]

Bi stronk hehe

[pearl sleet]

til im omnisexual

[harsh knot]

YOOOOO NICE!!!

[fiery steeple]

the more I consider and investigate my sexuality and identity the harder it is to find words for them

I'm somewhere on the ace spectrum probably
and the best word I could find for my identity was egogender
I don't fall into any of your boxes I just identify as me

[harsh knot]

Yee and that’s 100% valid!

[civic shadow]

Part of me feels ace but another feels demi. I have no desire to be sexual with anyone but I've never actually been in a relationship so I cant rule out the possibility. At this point I really just say I'm not really anything. I just live life and see what happens.

[orchid flume]

I hate calling my partner my “friend” to my family

[harsh knot]

Ah geez I just realized I’m gonna be forced to do that too

Bleh, but I think of it as just waiting until the time comes to be able to be open about it without worrying about other people

[iron escarp]

i mean as long as you feel comfortable with your labels it should be fine :) sometimes figuring labels out takes a lot of time

[orchid flume]

I have a friend who's been the whole LGBT

Used to be lesbian, then realized they were a trans guy, realized they liked guys, and later realized they only liked guys.

[civic shadow]

What a journey

[harsh knot]

ah yes, they had a character arc

[civic shadow]

For some, they just know. But others, it takes time.

[orchid flume]

I've just been watching the whole journey supportive but surprised at the 180

[radiant tundra]

I wish I knew more ways to dress more gnc as a plus size person…

[signal hull]

Happy Pride Month 🌈🌈🌈 My first-ish manga purchases, and happy that they're my favorite BL!

[civic shadow]

Damn I FEEL THAT

[radiant tundra]

It’s just like… every single video or whatever I find of someone dressing androgynously is always super skinny

[orchid flume]

So my best friend is a trans guy, and he asked me for trans youtube reccomendations, I sent him Sam Collins and Jammidodger and he asked me why I sent him Sam Collins when he was cis. Did I have news for him

[pure oxide]

XD

Noah Finnce is also one of my favorite shitposting trans guys to watch

[wicked jungle]

yeah and all of the plus sized androgynous fashion i can find is more for butch or simply masculine fashion? it's hard ._.

honestly my only fashion/aesthetics goal is Amaya from the dragon prince since she just looks strong, i know i cant reach a "perfectly androgynous" status so her style is what i'm thriving to reach :)

her or rosa from brooklyn 99

[orchid flume]

I met my best friend less than a month after he came out as trans and I'm super glad for that

Like I've known him for the maximum time I can, and I've always known him as his true self.

[high bloom]

Do you folks have any tips for gnc or masc swimwear for a plus sized trans man with a tig ol' bitties? It's my first summer not presenting femme and I desperately don't want to wear a woman's bathing suit.

[oak scarab]

maybe a rashguard and swimming shorts? i usually prefer them for a more neutral look, also i can try and find it but there was a binder that was made to also be used in water if you'd be interested in it

i would need to find the web page again but i distinctly remember seeing one

they also had binders that cover the entire top of the body like a shirt and not just something primarily for the chest

[radiant tundra]

I feel that but honestly, I just find that almost no matter what I wear, I still look femme so like I wish I could even get down a masc style

[oak scarab]

outplay brand . com (sorry for weird formatting, idk if i'll get in trouble for posting a direct link) is a good website for gender neutral swimwear

[brazen willow]

maybe a swim shirt? i wear one cause im not comfortable presenting the upper area

[frail bison]

I currently am looking at clothes online trying to figure out what my masc style is (only recently came out)

[high bloom]

That's awesome thank you. I'm gonna check all that out right now.

[frail bison]

My main concern is my damn hips are so wide sigh I sometimes have to wear a much larger size because shirts be hugging my hips. I plan on avoiding swimwear for like the next 2-3 years

[wicked jungle]

yeah exactly, even if it's cut in a way to fit more masculine bodytypes I also still always look feminine in dadshirts. although wearing more loose-fitting layers really helps (like baggy hoodies or open button-ups?) especially when i try to pronounce my broad shoulders to really neutralize... the rest 🤔

[frail bison]

Dysphoria hoodies for everyone!!!!

[wicked jungle]

i heard about something called "beefcakes swimmwear" but i have never really tried anything from them only seen many positive recommendations from others?

[wicked jungle]

yes!!!

[radiant tundra]

That is fair for hoodies and button ups. I think I hate the most rn is that my hair basically always looks femme no matter how I wear it and I think it’s just bc my facial structure is so feminine

[wicked jungle]

did you ever try masculine make-up styles to tone it down or pronounce your/more angular bonestructure?

if you dont like makeup at all that's also really fine, just curious

[frail bison]

Oh yeah this is a great idea, was wondering if anyone had tried this. I have been considering learning this personally

[radiant tundra]

I have not tried that but I would definitely have to look up how to do that bc I have no idea on my own

[wicked jungle]

i have, it's so fun - but i am way too fair so all my shading products are way too dark 😂

i seriously looked like some juan ricardo francés with heavy beardshadow - i still have to look for the right products

or whats his name hmmm

[high bloom]

I just checked them out and they have up to 5x sizes! That's amazing!

[frail bison]

I made the mistake of dressing up fem one day to go out because I didn't have any male clothing at the time, I was so dysphoric I detoured and went and bought cheap clothes. Took pics of myself just because I looked so miserable af. Going to wait until I am on T for awhile before I try make up again

[radiant tundra]

I was able to help myself a little bit in looking less femme when I got my new glasses back in January. They are big and defo not feminine so it helps my face a bit

[wicked jungle]

oh no i'm so sorry ;-;

[frail bison]

I have an eye exam today and going to get new glasses too! Didn't think through how expensive this is XD

[high bloom]

Best tips for male makeup, from someone who used to work a makeup counter, is make sure your contour shade is more cool tone than warm. Bronzers give you a sunkissed colour and can make you look too brown (and often have a shimmer), but cool tones replicate shadow better.

For anyone who wants to wear it lol

[frail bison]

!!!! Awesome !!!! Thanks for this tip I would have used a warm tone

[wicked jungle]

ohh maybe also more masculine hairstyles (not necessarily short, i really like prince charming from shrek's medium hairstyle, it is hardcore hit or miss but it defintively helped me)

[radiant tundra]

Ooooo I hope you find good glasses!!

[wicked jungle]

if you have good (contour) makeup product recommendations for very fair skin please help a sib out

[frail bison]

Oh are you also ghost white? (I legit use white concealer)

[wicked jungle]

yes 😂 *highfive

[high bloom]

Tbh most people do. And it's fine enough if you already have a warm skin tone and are going for that sunkissed glow. But it's easier to overdo it and make it look fake. Cool tones you won't need much of, and it'll look more realistic

[civic shadow]

Fucking MOOD

[high bloom]

I haven't tried it myself yet but I've heard really good things about the contour stick that Shein recently came out with. Plus it's only like $5

[wicked jungle]

i really need to check out shein more hmmm, they have beautiful rainbow shoes

[high bloom]

And it comes with a highlight which you can use sparingly to make the shadow pop more

[radiant tundra]

Well, the thing that is hard about masc hairstyles for me, is my hair is kind of long on top (down to the bottom of my shoulder blades when down) with ya know a gay undercut. But also like my hair doesn’t really have texture or volume so it just sits flat when it is down

[high bloom]

If you're interested at all in styling, get a matte paste like the one from got2b. It gives my dead flat hair a lot of shape.

[wicked jungle]

same, i started to clamp it up in a palm style when it's drying do it gets at least a bit volume in the prince-style
also i always cut it off once it reaches my shoulders, it's too heavy :-:

[high bloom]

Also use a thickening spray before I blow dry, helps a lot.

[radiant tundra]

My go to thing for when it is drying is to braid it back and leave it for a day

[frail bison]

Yes I can vouch for these

[high bloom]

(used to work so hard to pass as femme, y'all. My lort.)

[frail bison]

MOOOOOOD

[wicked jungle]

still got to do that for work 😔

every time i come home to just yeet my bra it feels like i can breathe again

[frail bison]

I am a programmer so like, I hide behind a desk. I advocate we all embrace the stereotype and all just be programmers

[radiant tundra]

Luckily I’m still a college student so like not too much judgement when I go out

[high bloom]

(also, if anyone is looking for makeup tips, look for Robert Welsh on YouTube. He's a bearded man and teaches easy makeup tricks on his own face and rates drugstore price brands. Very very helpful.)

[wicked jungle]

cant really use a binder since a) my coworkers would find that weird and b) binders really dont do that much in the hiding of the.. volume i got
i only ever used kinda-fatrolls-hiding bodysuit but those push them to be even bigger so... yikes

[radiant tundra]

For reference, this is now freaking flat my hair is. Bc it’s still thick as hell.

[high bloom]

Dunno if you're interested, but I bet if you got some layers it would help with the volume

[frail bison]

Wow, yep that hair is long! I would personally chop it off, but like layers probably would be your next best

[high bloom]

Also blow-dry the roots upside down. Maybe hairspray upside too if you're comfortable

[wicked jungle]

your hairstyle is certainly already giving you a more androgynous face :o nice!

[radiant tundra]

I mean the biggest thing is, I haven’t actually touch the long part of my hair in quite a while. I usually focus on maintaining the undercut and dye, which is how it ended up so long.

And like part of me feels like I should take a plunge and cut it short again but I’m unsure

[wicked jungle]

you maintain it fully yourself? :O

[radiant tundra]

I dye it myself and I bought clippers to trim it myself so I didn’t have to spend a ton of money getting the sides and back shaved

[wicked jungle]

maybe babysteps? it will regrow anyways and it'll make it easier to find a length you're comfortable at
sorta like the hairstyling tutorial by bdg

[celest bone]

I cackled very loudly when you were the first person I saw upon checking this server

[high bloom]

I took the plunge and shaved all mine off in one go and I love it so much,but I don't necessarily recommend it to everyone. It's a big step

[frail bison]

Hmmm yeah I get the part about being unsure about cutting your hair. I currently have weirdly lengthed short hair that is liking to stick straight out in places, but like I want it longer than it currently is because I didn't like how I looked when I shaved my head

[wicked jungle]

i either want really long or shorter than shoulders/kin hair so it's hard to try it all without feeling iffy

[celest bone]

I used to have my hair short but then the pandemic hit and I haven't had a haircut since haha...thinking about getting most of it cut off again soon though

[high bloom]

I bought a wig before I shaved, just in case I regretted it lol. Wigs are so warm though...

[wicked jungle]

wigs are so nice but i find them so hard to maintain and keep on my head without one part just magically coming off and scrunchingit all away

[frail bison]

I just grabbed my ex's clippers (back in the winter when we were still together) and took it all off lol

[radiant tundra]

Honestly, even my hair is freaking warm. I wear my hair up as much as possible bc even with the undercut, my hair is so thick and heavy it makes me hot to have down

[frail bison]

I did buy a wig but like I have never worn it...

[wicked jungle]

i have 5 but only one head ;-;

one of them is most definitively more loved but one day ;-;

[radiant tundra]

Wear them all, at once!!

[brazen willow]

wait youre not a 5 headed dragon?

[brazen willow]

i apolgoize ive been listening to nightvale all day

[wicked jungle]

and look like marie antoinette? i like my head D:

[radiant tundra]

Honestly, part of me is just like let’s go to get my hair cut now. But I don’t exactly have exact instructions for what I want other than short and I don’t wanna bother them…

[wicked jungle]

sadly no, but maybe it works like the hydra and i just need to cut off the first one for others to grow? 🤔

[brazen willow]

maybe (but dont)

[frail bison]

Should find some pics of cuts online you like that you could probably do and ask some people what they think is best (tis what I do when I can't decide)

[high bloom]

Omg don't worry about that. Tell them you want short and they can work with you on styles that would be flattering.

[frail bison]

Unless you have my luck and they make you look like a wreck

[celest bone]

I feel this pain! As someone with pretty curly hair it's hard to find good examples of what I would point to as well...and people always get so weird when someone they think is female presenting asks to cut their hair off

[high bloom]

True that's always a possibility. Def bring some inspiration pics then.

[celest bone]

I've literally heard "it'll still be feminine! We don't want you to look like a man" 🙄

[wicked jungle]

ACTUALLY WE DO :D OFF WITH MY FEMININITY

[high bloom]

This was always my struggle!! I said cut it off. So cut it off. I wanna look like an andro god/ess. I want it gone. I want my brain basket to be as naked as the day I was born!

[frail bison]

YES!!!!!! I had a barber refuse to cut my hair!

[wicked jungle]

same here, a family friend cuts my hair so it's defintiively big warning signals to ask her to cut me a masculine/androgynous style

[radiant tundra]

Honestly, responses like that are why I am torn between going to a real saloon where I know the workers should be able to do a fantastic job, or go somewhere cheap where the workers shouldn’t care if I want femme or masc hair

[wicked jungle]

the cheap hair stylists may be in your favor - you might never know who could work with you the best

[celest bone]

I know in Canada at least there's a sort of professional network for queer friendly hair salons bit I haven't looked into it much

[frail bison]

You know anyone in the lgbtq community that could recommend you to someone near you? This is what I plan on doing in my city

[celest bone]

You might be able to check out your local lgbtq nonprofit/community center, if there is one, they often have a list of queer friendly or owned businesses?

[radiant tundra]

Unfortunately, not really. I live in a small college town atm…

[upbeat carbon]

Barging into the conversation, but I used to do my short haircuts myself all the time and it's easier than it seems, plus cheaper

[pure oxide]

Any salon worth their salt will not care if you want to look femme or masc or anything, they just want to give you a hair cut

[frail bison]

Depends on the cut. I have been cutting my hair for years both fem and masc styles and I find some styles are just way too hard to do on my own (back of the head stuff)

[frail bison]

Tell me where these salons are then lol I want a salt salon I can trust and support

[upbeat carbon]

For sure not super complicated ones, but a simple fade is doable imo

[pure oxide]

research I guess. I mean, that requires knowing where you live and uh... don't put that information out there. ❤️ but yeah, just... research, calling around, etc. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wicked jungle]

yeah the back of the head just sucks, we need more eyes back there 🤔

[high bloom]

There's a barber shop in my city that a friend of mine goes to. They were super cool, didn't even ask any questions and used proper pronouns the whole time. I'm definitely going there next time I get a real haircut.

[radiant tundra]

My worry about going to a barber shop, at least for this is that I would need it styled and I have never been to a barber before (idk if that makes sense)

[wicked jungle]

it's so weird, it feels like there are 50 saloons in my area yet i know not one of them is lgbt(-friendly) or POC owned q-q

[frail bison]

Depends on the barber but most I know will have at least one person in there who can do more than just shave your head

[upbeat carbon]

Yeah surely it's part of their job to give you options and advice on what would fit best

[high bloom]

Definitely

My friend had hair past his shoulder blades when he went in. Got an undercut and a hella flattering masc style, and he said all he does it let it air dry and he's good to go. So if you can find someone who knows what they're doing and will work with you, it should hopefully be pretty painless

[wicked jungle]

oh and i also just checked out tomboyx and they also have swimwear (up to 4x most articles and some up to 6x i believe)

(i really like some of their bras and designs and they strive to be gender neutral even with models which i just so love)

[high bloom]

That's so refreshing ;; everywhere in my city that sells "plus size" is, like...2xl. and look. I'm a chonky boy. That's not gonna work for me.

[wicked jungle]

same !!! even if i'm not very chonky i am so tall everything just falls short af

[radiant tundra]

Agh, I should just go and do it… but anxiety

[high bloom]

Oh, you carry up to size 38 pants? How inclusive of you... 🙄

[wicked jungle]

it's ok! maybe go with somebody you're more comfortable with, do it at your own pace bub 🥺

[upbeat carbon]

lmfaooo

[wicked jungle]

omg stop, also: shopping shoes is my nemesis

[frail bison]

Well as a person who suffers from bad anxiety I hate to say that until you go in you will be anxious about it. You have a friend that can go with you? That is what I do to help deal with my anxiety when it gets real bad

[high bloom]

I'm 5'8 so not like...super tall. I was tall when I presented femme lol. Now I'm just an average dude.

[radiant tundra]

Honestly, rn? No. My two friends that actually live near me are on a road trip rn. I’m on my own, I just need to psych myself up so that I can call about appointments

[frail bison]

People called me a giant when I presented fem (5'11") but like my father is 6'5" sooo like I am just grateful I didn't get his height.

[frail bison]

You can do it man. I believe in you!

[wicked jungle]

i wish i got my dad's height or above o-o

[radiant tundra]

Yooooo I’m 5’8” as well

[wicked jungle]

still wanna get taller even if i know that'll be the end to any cheap clothes or my closet

[high bloom]

Tbh I would kill to be that tall lol. I love being like a big ol'boy. Giant ogre man. Chonkin' orc comin' at ya.

[frail bison]

What about big poppa bear?

[high bloom]

Eeyyyy!!! Height twins!

[high bloom]

Oh fuck yes! The euphoria 😍

[wicked jungle]

aww yall are precious

[high bloom]

Fuck I'm gonna get that tattood on me somewhere. Jesus.

I could cry

[radiant tundra]

Okay, okay. Appointment made. Getting hair cut tomorrow.

[frail bison]

YES!

[upbeat carbon]

Wooooo, hyyyype

[wicked jungle]

well done!

[frail bison]

FUCK YEAH DUDE!

[high bloom]

YES!! Awesome, dude!!

[radiant tundra]

Now here’s hoping I don’t stress myself out until then

[wicked jungle]

eat something that makes you happy and just watch some fluffy comfy stuff ;w;

[frail bison]

Yeah and if you get real stressed just stress to us, I am sure we can help keep you company

[wicked jungle]

anything that calms and grounds you, you deserve it

[radiant tundra]

It’s too bad I can’t donate my hair anymore given the length that I’ll be cutting off

[wicked jungle]

oh definitively, if you want jokes, memes, nice convos or a few rounds scribble, we'll be happy to keep you company i'm sure ;w;

[upbeat carbon]

We can make you a memetape

It's like a mix tape
With memes

[frail bison]

Brilliant idea!

[high bloom]

It might not help any, but every time I got a haircut I reminded myself that it's just hair. It grows back and we can always try again. Helped with my anxiety

[radiant tundra]

lol well first things first… food

[upbeat carbon]

I used to delay my haircuts until I got to a certain stress point in my daily life, bcs cutting it was so relaxing

[wicked jungle]

may the noms be in your favor ✌️

dang it's already 8pm i should also get some food maybe, yall have fun!

[high bloom]

I gotta go, too! My toddler is up from nap. Good day, y'all!

[civic shadow]

Baby???

Dnkdeknsiwk

[radiant tundra]

Logically I do know that it is just hair and it will grow back. It’s more that I am afraid of people trying to be possessive of my hair when I want to be the one to make my own decisions with it.

[radiant tundra]

Oh? Are you from Europe gang?

[upbeat carbon]

EU gang

[radiant tundra]

I am unfortunately American, so no EU gang for me

[upbeat carbon]

Sad gang

[frail bison]

I be Canadian, I think @celest bone is as well?

[upbeat carbon]

Sending good vibes from France, gonna go hang out with the wife,
Take care ya'll

[radiant tundra]

Have fun with your wife!!!

[wicked jungle]

europe gang ✊

aww i just now saw you're not europe gang, but yes i am 😂

[wicked jungle]

good vibes for you and your wife from germany

[celest bone]

i am indeed canadian, but like, fake canadian. i grew up in the us and moved to canada like dec 2019 after i graduated college

[frail bison]

WHOA now, that doesn't make you fake. That makes you new!

[celest bone]

my parents were both canadian immigrants to the US so i automatically got dual citizenship, and all of my grandparents + most extended family that we talk to live in canada

[radiant tundra]

Food as been acquired and just getting out and singing along to my music in the car has helped the queasy anxiety

It helps that the last song to come on is the song for the singer that is so gender envy to me in this band

[blissful granite]

Hi. I'm gorgeous. You're welcome.

[frail bison]

You can say that again!

[supple brook]

Looking mighty queer! Fantastic!

I miss pride 😭 I've only been once but it was so colorful and lovely

[radiant tundra]

Pride is definitely fun, but I still want people to be safe even more…

[frail bison]

I have never gone to pride and I feel sad that the year I come out is during a pandemic ugh

[radiant tundra]

That does suck but at the same time, you have plenty of years to come, don’t worry

[glad olive]

I have never gone to pride and I’m also a bit sad that the year that it was safe for me to come fully out (I’ve been socially out to my friends but my previous job required me to stay professionally closeted) is during a pandemic. It is a bit sad but there are better times ahead. It’s okay to mourn a little but still keep hope that the future will be even more vibrant than ever expected

[wicked jungle]

last year was the first pride that i was safe, pandemic hit and i honestly didnt want to go to mask-free pride events 😅
but definitively looking forward to maybe one day feel safe enough again - cause i got just hit way back into narnia, that's how far gone i feel in this closet rn

aww you're making it so pretty, thank you :)

[frail bison]

Don't worry I got it covered!

Oh gawd storm of the century starts literally as I am getting ready to walk to my eye exam!!!!

[wicked jungle]

please be safe o.o

[frail bison]

https://tenor.com/view/office-me-fake-smile-mad-dissapointed-gif-16497020 Me, going to get wet af

[wicked jungle]

just wear like 5 ponchos on top of a rain jacket o.o

[frail bison]

looks around sadly, has no rain jacket, not even a girl one

[radiant tundra]

My brain was just like “you should say good luck on your eye exam” before realizing it’s not that kind of exam

[frail bison]

Ahahahahaha

[wicked jungle]

then a snow-proof jacket?
cause like snow is water

[frail bison]

yeah I can probably do that. Not sure it is water proof but like it will have to do

[wicked jungle]

may the raindrops (and the eye exam) be ever in your favor

[frail bison]

bows

[high bloom]

Canadian gang represent!

[woven prism]

https://tenor.com/view/just-saying-hi-hello-hey-whats-up-how-are-you-gif-10931543

[civic shadow]

And a very gay hello to you too

[harsh knot]

this! gay hello to all!

[civic shadow]

Hahahaha

[pearl sleet]

I HAVE COME WITH GAY TIDINGS
My two coworkers I work with on Monday
Are 100% okay with me being 'gay'
I say that in quotes because they think I'm male but it's good enough for now
We had a conversation about cute boys
There's a new CNA at the nursing home and he is super fucking cute

So we talked about him and decided he's probably straight

probably anyway
an enby can dream, can't they?

no one missed a beat when I started talking about cute boys
it was totally normal and i like wanted to cry because of how normalized the conversation felt

that is all you may continue with your day

[pure oxide]

Awwwww!

[orchid flume]

Awwwww

[wicked jungle]

https://de.shein.com/Color-Sculpt-Stick-PEARL-SAND-p-1219585-cat-2260.html?scici=Beauty~~ON_Banner,CN_cat1,HZ_5,HI_hotZoneoscq71bq9dm~~6_5~~real_2265~~SPcAod_matcgroup_202468~~ did you mean this one?
(maybe it has more shades in stores but idk it looks super dark and warm o-o)

[high bloom]

It's hard to tell on my phone screen, but the coffee tone looks like it could work actually. It's got kind of an ashier undertone although I can't tell if the highlight has sparkle or not... But the darkness is actually okay because you really only need to use very little of it then and blend it out so that'll soften out the colour.

Definitely don't recommend the pearl & sand colour though. That's just bronzer :/

Having said that, I still haven't used it on my pasty ghost face yet so I can't vouch for how well it actually works. Just heard some good reviews.

[harsh knot]

Awwwww that’s awesome!!

[orchid flume]

Me: Posts supportive comments on my partners tiktok.
My partner: Gives a supportive reply.
Me:

[frail bison]

Ah yeah I get this. I just came out as male but like I have a friend who when I met her it was like love at first sight. Not sure what it was about her but I just felt so happy in her presence and I wanted to know everything about her. She is straight but like my flirting just fell flat because I was born female. She is in a relationship now but like for the past 3 years I still flirt with her hardcore. One of these days I will get over it. That or once I have been on T for a while she will see me for who I really am, a chatty, affectionate, cute boy and my flirting will get through! (Not actually going to happen, she is in a happy relationship)

I actually asked her if she was okay with my still flirting after I came out and she said she was so at least I can keep doing that XD

[upbeat carbon]

The YA novel levels of soft yearning 😩

[frail bison]

Ahahaha yeah I make everything just ridiculously dramatic

[upbeat carbon]

As you should, as you should
Where's the fun in not being dramatic, especially when it comes to romance

[orchid flume]

Anyone ever forget that their partner is also supposed to be loving and encouraging. So it's like, "how do I receive this thing called love?"

[frail bison]

Oh hell yeah I forget this all the time!

I am a bit of a hopeless romantic, but I am also polyamorous sooo I also fall in love with multiple people at a time

and not all of those people share the feels lol

[orchid flume]

I'm a huge hopeless romantic

If you've ever seen She-ra I basically act like Sea Hawk around my partner

[frail bison]

I have not but now I need to know

Also who else misses writing love letters? I need to start doing this again

[orchid flume]

So Sea Hawk is this bi pirate guy who's absolutely smitten with his princess love interest much to her embarrassment/amusement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSZoWw7F2D8

[frail bison]

Ah damn this is me and my crush. She gets so embarrassed and amused by my affections.

[orchid flume]

She-ra has SO much rep.

[frail bison]

Yeah I think I need to watch this now

[orchid flume]

Several on screen lesbian kisses, gay couples, over half the cast is bi, a trans guy, a trans girl, a non-binary character who uses they/them, and a m/m/f triad

[frail bison]

Okay I legit want to cosplay this guy!

[orchid flume]

The three up front are a triad with a kid.

[frail bison]

Damn okay you convinced me that I have been missing out

[orchid flume]

When I watched the show I had a designated friend who got excited calls everytime they introduced more rep. Which was every other episode

[supple brook]

I SEE SHE RA

I love this show so much. One of my favorite shows ever

[rigid burrow]

I recently went and rewatched some of it

[orchid flume]

Here's Jewelstar, he's a trans man.

[upbeat carbon]

You're spoiler-ing thooo

[supple brook]

I've rewarched this show at least 5 times 😭

[orchid flume]

His VA is also trans as is the non-binary characters.

[supple brook]

Also voiced by a trans man!!!

[rigid burrow]

I had to go rewatch the ending because it makes me so happy

[orchid flume]

I watch The HEart Part 2 almost every month

[frail bison]

Yeah don't spoil for me please!

[rigid burrow]

Nope!

[supple brook]

I've rewarched s5 so often

Idk when I've ever felt thr way i did watching that episode

[upbeat carbon]

I'll @ you when they're done and it's safe to come back lmfao

[supple brook]

None of us are spoiling anything

[orchid flume]

Double Trouble was my non-binary awakening

[rigid burrow]

Im not saying anything else I promise!

[supple brook]

Dt my beloved

[orchid flume]

They are such a deity, one I aspire to be.

I want to be Double Trouble, and Entrapta (I'm also on the autism spectrum.) At the same time

[supple brook]

So many inspirational characters in one show :')

[orchid flume]

I have never related to a character, that I myself didn't create, harder than Entrapta.

[supple brook]

God I'm so happy for queer kids who get to have this show

She's so great :') the person who wrote her or helped to consult on her character/writing is also autistic

They didn't get everything perfect obviously and the show still has flaws but they clearly put so much love and research into it

[orchid flume]

I cried at the scene where ||the princesses yelled at her.||

[frail bison]

yeah when I was a kid I read adult fantasy/romance novels to find some representation. Glad kids now have more

[upbeat carbon]

(On a completely different topic, anyone here is a gym rat/ needs a workout buddy? I'm not about to let that T go to waste but without a proper gym I need extra motivation to do my work outs)

(and my one workout buddy is also in a slump rn)

[frail bison]

If we had similar time zones I would say yes because I need to start working out 😢

[orchid flume]

Do any of y'all watch Philosophytube?

[pure oxide]

Kipo, Kipo, Kipoooooo is also a good show. 😛

[upbeat carbon]

I am team Kipo too, dope soundtrack , very sweet story

[pure oxide]

And the Dragon Prince

[orchid flume]

One of my younger friends is polyamorous and when they told me about their polycule I was genuinely surprised 17 year olds could be poly

[upbeat carbon]

Oooh and the dragon prince yeah yeah yeah

[pure oxide]

You know... I almost find it sad that I am finding more representation and better story lines in animated shows aimed at children than I can in some of the media targeted at people my own age (mid 30s)

but at the same time, like... fuck yeah, the younger generation gets to learn a lot of acceptance and diversity and normalcy for so many things that generations before them thought were taboo and terrible, and it just means more well-rounded adults when they grow up. and I love it

[orchid flume]

I really didn't like the Dragon Prince by the end of season 2 I gave up

[upbeat carbon]

kinda wish I had the same growing up but yeah I'm happy for the young ones
in "adult" medias we have huuuuh... token gay man #46 by now ?

[orchid flume]

I like him, but I think I prefer generic white lesbian #27

[pure oxide]

me: about to make an off-color joke
also me: remembers PG server -and- she's a mod

carry on

[upbeat carbon]

Aaah how could I forget generic white lesbian #27, she was great in her 2.5 seconds of screen time where she kissed her gf

Well now I wanna know

[orchid flume]

And the scene got cut in the international release

[supple brook]

And died shortly after

[upbeat carbon]

The salt in here is real LMAO

[supple brook]

My personal favorite is Disney's First Gay Character

[pure oxide]

On the other hand

Sense8

still so angry

but... that show was... so good

[orchid flume]

What happened there?

[supple brook]

Omg no what happened I didn't keep up with the last season

[upbeat carbon]

Oooh I have to get back to that show now

[pure oxide]

Oh, it got canceled

They canceled it after the second season

they did a 2 hour special after HUGE fan backlash

[supple brook]

Oh did they???? Maybe I watched it then

[pure oxide]

but Netflix canceled it after 2 seasons. Their reasoning was because it was so expensive to film (since they were filming on location literally all over the world) but the end of Season 2 finds them all PHYSICALLY in the same place... and the costs would've gone down GREATLY

[supple brook]

It's been so long lol I don't remember anything

[pure oxide]

but nah. they fucking canceled it. I'm still so, so angry about that.

[sterile wadi]

A lot of my favorite shows get cancelled, like ugh that one show...it was set in the 90's had kids in it, there was one chick who came out and ended up with a girlfriend at the end of the series...ugh...ummm.....frick, Everything Sucks? I think that might have been it. Names are the worst.

Trinkets was another one on Netflix I liked, but it's been cancelled to.

I am just a sucker for Brianna Hildebrand though.

[supple brook]

Oh I loved everything sucks

[ember loom]

Everything sucks was filmed at the highschool my mom went to!

[supple brook]

Oh that's fun!

[sterile wadi]

There was another series where the girl had psychic powers but I can't recall it's name now and it's the worst. the series was fun though.

I am Not Okay with this!

that's the name of the show

Also Cancelled by the way

[last sedge]

Canon or fanon?? 😅

I think I didnt see the last season of She-Ra but I should rewatch it! So many great characters :)

I'm a supercorp shipper and it's the last season but I don't think they will make it canon which is a shame, it's so queercoded

[supple brook]

They've proudly announced their (horribly offensive) "first gay character" like 4 seperate times now lmao

[last sedge]

Is that the short film ||where he turns into a dog?||

[orchid flume]

Finding dory lesbians, that guy who was Gaston’s follower, as well as ugly Troll lesbian cop

[supple brook]

Plus the dude in endgame lmao

The ugly lesbian troll cop who has a husband in Russia and China ✨

[last sedge]

I don't think I've seen finding dory!? 🤔

[supple brook]

Yeah Ellen Degeneres and her wife are in it for a second or something

[orchid flume]

Ellen voices Dory

[supple brook]

Oh she does? I just remembered there was a lesbian couple on screen for like 5 seconds wasn't there?

[orchid flume]

Here are the lesbians in finding dory who don’t even speak

[orchid flume]

Yes that’s how she got famous again after coming out as gay

[supple brook]

Lmfao revolutionary representation

[orchid flume]

The one if purple could easily be called a guy and no one would notice

[supple brook]

Yeah or they're literally ✨just friends✨

God I'm so sick of Disney lmao

[orchid flume]

Me too, my partner may love Owl House to the moon and back but I’m still sus

[supple brook]

Owl house seems sweet

The shit they pulled with gravity falls too. It's so gross

[last sedge]

Tbh when I saw Raya and the last dragon I was surprised at how gay it was, knowing that Disney are cowards

[supple brook]

It's because they love to queerbait us so we still give them our money :)

[orchid flume]

I HATE Raya and the last dragon

[wicked jungle]

yeah i looked at coffee and it's more of a warm toned brown as well on the models at least
yeah then i'll just continue with the bhcosmetics tina yong collab - it has a really soft ashy brown (but it has a few sparkles so even that are just o-o)

[wicked jungle]

explain 👀

[orchid flume]

Someone in a Discord server I'm in told my partner she's not REALLY South East Asian because she didn't like the movie.

[last sedge]

Wait why?? I loved it, did I miss something problematic?

[orchid flume]

Honestly that's it, the fact my partner who's born and raised in the Philippines and has never left got bullied by a white American for saying the movie is "not that good." Meaning she can't be from that area
I know it's not the movies fault but it ruined it for me

[supple brook]

From what I understand there's a lot of mashing together of wildly different cultures just cause they're from the same area going on right?

[orchid flume]

Also it didn't do a good job representing SEA from what my partner and her friends have shown me.

[last sedge]

That person sounds ridiculous, but it doesn't really have to do with the movie I guess. But I get that once there is a connection it's hard to let go of feelings.

[wicked jungle]

raya and the last dragon sucks so much as animated movie - it would be decent as film adaptation tho, i guess that was the point
just dont forget to dust off falkor's (from neverending story) body

and the asian representation seems really half-assed since it's such a mishmash and way too much focus on the all around bad of all "tribes" but "good" of the 3 people we get to meet.
also raya is a very very weird character

[supple brook]

That's what I've seen too

[orchid flume]

But this is coming from a white they/them from the US of A. But my partner felt like Disney did a really bad job and it felt more like appropriation than appreciation.

[supple brook]

Was it even made by SEA folks?

[last sedge]

Oh okay, I didn't see much discourse so I assumed it was alright with the representation. Tho of course Disney always makes the characters in ridiculous proportions and stuff so I'm not surprised they didn't get it right

[orchid flume]

It was made by consulting a single person from INDIA which isn't even a South East Asian country

[supple brook]

Incredible

The bar is so low and Disney still manages to do the limbo every single time

[wicked jungle]

Directors: Carlos López Estrada(mexican american), Don Hall(american)
Production: Osnat Shurer (from israel)
Music: James Newton Howard(american)

if you mean this

[last sedge]

They should have done better!!!!

[orchid flume]

That's like wanting to make a movie about south American culture, and asking someone from Canada.

[last sedge]

I liked the GAYness of it all tho 😂

[supple brook]

I'm just so fucking sick of everything this cartoonishly evil company does. I can't stand hearing about it anymore

[wicked jungle]

hey there was somebody from malaysia working on the screenplay!! man disney really went out of their way /s

[wicked jungle]

at least it's South Asian! :D /s

[orchid flume]

Oh billionaire company is going so hard to support the people who need it 🙏

[wicked jungle]

and here(CI) we have 3 friends who sat together and thought of making a tiny little farming sim with some friends about SEA

it's not that fucking hard disney

[last sedge]

Its amazing how often they get it wrong

[orchid flume]

It's because they don't care

[wicked jungle]

it's sad that they are allowed to not care

like how tf is mulan still up?????

[orchid flume]

If it makes money then they can continue giving bad rep

[supple brook]

People continue to hatewatch their shit and give them money and they know that

[orchid flume]

If it doesn't no rep at all, it's up to the people in question to decide which is better

[vast jacinth]

It's not much consolation, but babylon5 S5 is good proof that even given a highly planned arc, jms isn't....great at bringing closure to a series

[wicked jungle]

Just watch Xiran Jay Zhao decimate the movie

not only is Xiran Jay Zhao actual chinese but they are also nb(genderqueer) and came out as pan o.o and are all around really interesting and actually STILL educate themselves about a culture they come from because they know that they are just 1% and dont know everything

like how do singular people with no insane wealth do it so much better than multi BILLION corporations

[orchid flume]

I'm watching their video now

[wicked jungle]

how tf is this the norm that they get called out by some important peeps (i believe this is the maker of gravity falls? correct me please)
but even that: who tf cares

[vast jacinth]

It is

[wicked jungle]

he actually is?? :D
yey one name down 3k to go

i just suck with names. i have no idea who tf leads or made what o-o
but i know Xiran and Alex Hirsch apparently now too

[orchid flume]

Woo!

[vast jacinth]

But yeah, more money makes a project significantly less capable of representing anyone, because it becomes about safe returns on investments & not about serving any one audience. Why corporate art seeking to represent diversity is filled with green & purple people representing no one...

(That said, Later Alligator managed)

& they will still always tell you to draw people less fat

[south oriole]

there are hints that the two cops from gravity falls are gay. but Alex said disney didn't greenlit it. so i understand that he kinda piss at disney

[vast jacinth]

If they aren't gayz they're one happy ace couple

[wicked jungle]

then why try at all, like you asked.
it serves them nothing but a bad taste in their audience's mouth. sure not everybody will care but still, our gen will only watch disney renaissance movies at the most
they can go for something fully new like wall-e; toy story; or go for stories from their home hamilton; merlin and blabliblub; superman; even the new orleans setting from "kiss the frog" was genuinely interesting (even if it sucked that we finally got more POC main characters and they were frogs the entire time, at least their "being frog" served some? purpose?) ._.

[vast jacinth]

because it proves that they stand on the defensible side of trying

[wicked jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-nick-offerman-ron-swanson-never-half-ass-two-things-whole-ass-one-thing-gif-5161011

[vast jacinth]

again, profit margins are defended

but disney's always been really offensive about any bipoc representation getting polymorphed, why would they break with racist traditions now

[wicked jungle]

it's not like we're lacking wonderful culturally diverse or non-male directors/animators/production peeps
it's getting 2x halfassed: halfassed representation and halfassed try at making their production group more diverse

[wicked jungle]

cause everybody can learn and change
it would honestly be such a huuuuuuuge WIN for humanity if racist corps learn and actually grow

else you will just get kiddos who defend their racism because corps/big people like disney continue their discrimination and get paid very well for it

[vast jacinth]

games, movies, whatever, I've long since realized that you can get nice polish from a big pipeline production, but the larger the team & more money involved the more implausible original work or representation can actually take place. partially also just because more hands making a cohesive product, the more that cogency must draw from being derivative for all hands to have a common vision of what they're making

it's imperative small indies make the groundbreaking work to be pointed to for the large companies to a, have a common vision to aim towards, & b, prove it's financially salient

[wicked jungle]

even small corps.
i just recently read about one of the makers of The Dragon Prince being a major douche about female and lgbt people and representation in "his" show

rooster teeth is also problematic

[vast jacinth]

ah yeah...well problematic people sucking is a whole other issue

[wicked jungle]

i cant think of more names so i'll excuse myself from counting more examples 😂

[vast jacinth]

but I never looked at DP after Korra....

[wicked jungle]

i seriously need a bigger name lexicon

[wicked jungle]

i wish they never made it

[rigid burrow]

Korra or Dragon Prince?

[wicked jungle]

korra

[vast jacinth]

for me stand up changed that about my memory during my teens: it is really painful to want to quote a bit & not remember what set you heard it from or the name of who said it to be able to look it up

~same~

[supple brook]

I... Love korra lol

[vast jacinth]

well, except maybe the backstory sub arc

[supple brook]

It has issues but I really love it

[wicked jungle]

cause that's already kinda connected to avatar the last airbender which was beautiful
the subtle discrimination, the strong female characters, the smart guys who valued wisdom as well

[orchid flume]

Asami hot...

[rigid burrow]

I think Korra is good just a lot off issues which stemmed from the company not letting them know how many seasons it would get so they had to squish storylines and then create new ones

[wicked jungle]

dragon prince stands on its own and the representation in it is quite alright. it was just Aaron who sucked ass and made some queer female staff leave

[supple brook]

Exactly!!! The showrunners got fucked over so hard because nickolodeon couldn't make up their minds

[wicked jungle]

the backstory was fine - as a fanfic 😂

i still really like the animation work for those two episodes
do i think any of that "lazer, boom boom, yin yang = devil and god/good and evil" actually holds place? f'ck no

[vast jacinth]

....beat the rest of it imo....whatever, I won't sit here yucking others yum, just couldn't stand the main character & what it did to the worldbuilding mostly

& yes, in the ways you describe that they chose arc & how that affects worldbuilding...some of the ways it left greater implications of how the world works

the actual timeline advancement & politics & scenery was cool I guess

I at least liked Varrick?

[wicked jungle]

they reduced the actual cultural influences so hard in the first season alone. So you cant tell me that it was the miscommunication about how many more seasons it'll get that made Korra fall so flat and so awkward.

before all of the elements had their own cultural martial arts style and their own tribes, their own legal system, their own kind of religion.

then you got new york in panda express asian style and Aang instead of the green lady with "pro bending" and fist-fight-esque bending. and how " "something like communism" is evil, so is a dictatorship, and anarchy sucks ass not because it creates a power vaccuum but because the only right way to lead the world is halfassed democracy"

and also them needing to put asami and korra together in a TWEET??? what kinda JK "they are all gay" bs is this???

[wicked jungle]

movie man?

[vast jacinth]

yeah

[wicked jungle]

yeah

[vast jacinth]

even at his introduction evil walt disney was an inspired choice of villain

[wicked jungle]

didnt even need to put the "evil" there

[vast jacinth]

well yes, but given who their audience is, they did

[wicked jungle]

mr disney
seems nice and does actually good gags
but he also funds some reall problematic shit and is racist fingerguns

i miss cabbage man

[rigid burrow]

The cabbage corp was a good nod to him tho

[vast jacinth]

& honestly, the guy was a ruthless businessman / product of his times, but how much he used iwerks or the like pales in comparison to what the company's become without him

acceptable practices of the times & what was made therein aside

[wicked jungle]

but ngl the episode from the last airbender with them watching a satire theatre about how they'll lose, hit way harder

cant get over how much toph loved getting portrayed by this buff dude

[supple brook]

I mean that... Really wasn't the showrunners fault whatsoever lol they REALLY tried

But once again the network told them no

[vast jacinth]

oh, granny toph was also a worthwhile part of korra I suppose on that note

[supple brook]

I hate that they made toph a cop lol

[vast jacinth]

what would you want her to be in adulthood? also she left it...

[wicked jungle]

it made sense that she'd teach everybody in her "hard love" style to metal bend but yeah, her being a cop? more suki or sokka's job imo

(it did make for REALLY cool cop-scenes tho)

[supple brook]

There are a lot of different things she could've been apart from a cop. It literally doesn't fit her character one bit

[wicked jungle]

bending the armor to "the force" choke their own officers? HOOOOLY SHItake mushrooms

[vast jacinth]

made enough sense to me, she wasn't the type to bend to authority compared to creating her own, & after being party to a coup you kind of gain authority to fill the power vaccuum, but she sure wouldn't be the type to become a politician instead compared to doing things by hand

I mean sure I liked her less as a cop, but it didn't seem unsuited to her character imo

[wicked jungle]

really depends on how you understood her character in the last airbender imo

i can really see both sides of the coin, but i gotta agree with vex a tiny bit more

[vast jacinth]

yeh, I definitely liked her a lot more in last airbender, but didn't idealize her as much as some

[wicked jungle]

idealize?

[vast jacinth]

well I'm not hearing what anyone thinks she should have been instead

everyone's more idealized as a kid: they're nothing but potential

[wicked jungle]

cause it's hard to define since we now have her as cop
also none of the characters were idealized, that was kinda the point

[vast jacinth]

I've just seen a lot of people idealize her because....strong female characters are rare & she was badass

[wicked jungle]

it's like reading a book and seeing a movie of it. you will most likely never think of the character looking /being different to their actor counterpart

[vast jacinth]

not to say people here necessarily are

[rigid burrow]

So what do you think would have fit her better?

[wicked jungle]

she was a badass but she was really discriminatory to feminine people and people without bender abilities and she had her trust issues in family and friends (relateable af)

[vast jacinth]

but yeah...plainly flawed characters having real arc & obstacles to overcome was what was more likable about last airbender in general....sigh

[wicked jungle]

time to rewatch it

just remembering how good it was but what they made of it really bums me out 😂

[vast jacinth]

altogether too big a fan of rewatching things....I just finished irresponsible captain tylor again because....it's free on youtube & the soundtrack rekindled nostalgia

but that is a series that's like...woefully out of place for this specific channel at least, getting off topic for sure

[wicked jungle]

ohh that sounds interesting
yeah i'm currently rewatching every series and movies i can find, it may be a big problem but i'm rewatching criminal minds for the 12th time because of how good it is

omg yeah super off-topic, ima go get some food for the day if i may

[vast jacinth]

still charming af & recommended though, just very cishet & little bit cringey at times, never damningly so though

but yeah, enjoy

[radiant tundra]

Only two more hours before my hair gets the chop today!

[frigid vine]

Yay!

I’m hella excited BC I start my new job tomorrow and first paycheck is going to my first binder 8D Tittas be GONE!

[radiant tundra]

Yay!!! Hype!!

[upbeat carbon]

Two good news !

[harsh knot]

Nice!!

[frail bison]

Getting super close this is def exciting. Share a pic of your new look when it is done!

[radiant tundra]

I definitely will

[wicked jungle]

have fun 🥰

[orchid flume]

When I started drawing I was always worried I'd mess up the anatomy when drawing a trans person and look transphobic, but now I've drawn so many trans people I can't draw cis people anymore.

[radiant tundra]

The result!!!!

[pure oxide]

YO!

that looks so good!!

[radiant tundra]

The barber that I went to was so sweet, even though he looked at my hair and was like are you sure?

[harsh knot]

YOOO nice!!

[upbeat carbon]

Oooh that's cleaan

Looking fresh

[radiant tundra]

Now I just need to figure out hair product for it

[pure oxide]

I'd almost suggest a wax or pomade? Depends on what you wanna do with it.

[upbeat carbon]

My favorite is called "waking up and pretending it's fine like that"

[harsh knot]

Same!

[pure oxide]

uh

my pea brain thought that was an actual brand

and I was like "man, what a cool product name"

so 30 minutes later, my pea brain caught up with what you actually meant

I'm winning at life

[radiant tundra]

https://klatukattdreams.tumblr.com/post/653458443063246848

A cute video

[blissful granite]

FREE
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1180660/Tell_Me_Why/ Tell Me Why is a game from DONTNOD. The same studio whom did Life is Strange, it plays very much like Life is Strange as a result of this. It follows 2 twins one of whom is a trans man named Tyler [left] who tries to find out the truth behind his mother's death. (Free during June)

Steam

Tell Me Why

All Chapters FREE in June!

Price

$19.99

Recommendations

2190

▶ Play video

[iron escarp]

i legit cried when i found out one of the main characters was a trans man

i wasnt that invested in life is strange itself(it didnt really draw me in)

but i might have to try this one out

[frail bison]

Hell yeah this looks amazing!

[frail bison]

I picked it up before I realized it had a trans man in it just because I saw it was free this month but I almost cried just because I have some sort of representation in a game for the first time in my life. So far I am enjoying the game a lot. I did play and enjoy life is strange, but like that story I was def not invested in it until I was 3/4 through. This one I am just invested immediately

I admit the game animations could use a bit more love at times though 😛

[orchid flume]

https://twitter.com/Deja__Drew/status/1395370581890109442

I know you get deja drew🔥 (@Deja__Drew)

Disney + stories with LGBT leads: A Saga

Love Victor (Moved to Hulu)
Four Dads (Cancelled)
Nimona (Cancelled)
Everybody's Talking About Jamie (Sold to Amazon)

Guys...

Guys...

Happy #PrideMonth in 2 weeks.

💘$DIS #DisneyPlus

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Twitter · May 20, 2021, 1:27 PM

[supple brook]

I'm so angry about nimona

So unbelievably angry.

[harsh knot]

Disney why??? >:(

[valid timber]

ngl, hate that they might never be posted, but "Love, Victor" just sounds like a cheap "Love Simon" rip-off...

[supple brook]

I think they're connected? Wait let me look it up

[graceful geyser]

yeah, i think it's meant to be a spin off/sequel series

[valid timber]

huh, fair

[last sedge]

omg this is a cool video!!

[orchid flume]

https://i.redd.it/7dj7gk4d12471.jpg

Confused transphobes confirm trans women are women and trans men are men

https://i.redd.it/h5n9dyyrg5471.png

https://i.redd.it/75n2cuu56v371.jpg

[graceful geyser]

i love when people are so wrong when they try and be hateful they accidently validate people

[harsh knot]

Right?

[frail bison]

Ahahahaha I feel super validated right now XD

[orchid flume]

Hell yeah!

[harsh knot]

Yeah nice!

[orchid flume]

R/accidentalally is so fun

https://i.redd.it/x1b7uu3rtke61.jpg

Abigail is an absolute queen

[frail bison]

Oh wow they are so aggressively supportive! 🤣

I thoroughly am enjoying this. Like my day feels much brighter now

[orchid flume]

https://i.redd.it/pzzyecd27bx61.jpg

[frail bison]

Ahahahahahaha

[orchid flume]

https://i.redd.it/8rq2lt43w6f51.jpg

https://i.redd.it/6rey62ge9a451.jpg

For context Samantha Lux is a lovely trans youtuber

https://i.redd.it/0yk07s2grxx61.jpg

[wide nova]

I can't believe how crule some people are, its disgusting 🤢

[orchid flume]

It is, but these are all transphobes being supportive by accident

[wide nova]

lol 😂

[frail bison]

Honestly if all the hate I receive is back asswards like this I will be okay with it.

[orchid flume]

My friend is a pre everything trans guy and he got told he'll never be a real woman

[frail bison]

Oh hell yeah, I am pre everything trans. On waitlist for T at the moment. I want this to happen to me

[orchid flume]

I hope it does too!

[normal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/trans-rights-are-human-rights-transexual-lgbt-pride-trans-gif-16973621

[orchid flume]

Theo and I have a big meme between us about a guy who told Theo he'll never pass as a guy because "real men don't have pronouns."
Now I know he was more successful at being transphobic, but that's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

[frail bison]

Uh the hell. I don't even understand what that implies. Like women and NB's are a thing but like male gender isn't, or....huh?!

lol that is a mind boggling statement to try and process XD

[orchid flume]

I'm sorry guys hand over your pronouns

https://i.redd.it/gu3efltvp8071.jpg

[wide nova]

LOL i had to read that a 2nd time i got it now lmao

[frail bison]

My parents are trying to be supportive. My mom keeps correcting herself which is sweet, my dad just is going the safe route and stopped using any pronouns at all XD

Well at least in person, he still refers to me as a girl and uses my deadname when talking to everyone else

One step at a time

[floral locust]

After I came out to my parents as pan/ queer in 2013 , my mom used to record on their dvr any snippets of lgbtq+ media she could find and save it to show me whenever I came home from college. Her favorite was interviews with Laverne Cox, and she got so excited hearing about different people's stories.

[frail bison]

Awe, that is precious

[orchid flume]

I love Rock Riordan and all he does rep wise, but I have issues with the trans woman who's present in his books.

Everyone else is fantastic though.

So when she was 8 she spotted Artemis bathing while playing in the woods, and Artemis didn't want to kill a child so she was given a choice between being torn apart by the dogs, or being transformed into a woman. She chose the latter.
Like, she's happy as a woman, but I don't really think that's a good example of being trans because if I was told I could become a man, or be torn apart by dogs at age eight, I'd pick the guy even though I know I'm not one.

[ember loom]

That's a really valid take, that bit really missed the mark

[orchid flume]

I'm not gonna hold one mistake against tons of good examples of rep though

[normal ice]

In keeping with the theme of stupidly supporting the thing you are supposedly against I decided on my first profile pic

[orchid flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anCtIHCpjBs

Let's not forget how gay The Adventure Zone is one of the main characters is gay and gets a boyfriend, his twin sister is trans, two important lesbian couples, and two characters use they/them pronouns. And that's all in season 1

[fickle flint]

Oooh this makes me wonder is there any rule about transgender in sport

[orchid flume]

A LOT of rules about it

[fickle flint]

I think there will be more protest if it's mtf athletes ?

[orchid flume]

That's literally what transphobes are using against trans people in laws

They REALLY hate trans girls

[fickle flint]

Maybe it's better to have mixed gender competition then. Afterall, we can't deny male and female have diff muscle composition, fat, etc

[orchid flume]

The thing is those with T have a major advantage over those with E

There is no meaningful difference between trans and cis people in sports, transphobes just suck

[fickle flint]

Mtf athlete will have higher T compared than cis female then..? Or not?

Having more T certainly helps in building muscle eh

[orchid flume]

No, they don't

Terfs don't care though
MTF's have less T than cis girls
And FTM's have more T than cis guys

[fickle flint]

Apparently theres already journal about it

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-abstract/105/3/e805/5651219?redirectedFrom=fulltext

This journal seems to say mtf does posses more muscle mass even afyer 3 years of hormone therapy.

Lemme try find journal from diff pov

Oh theres also journal that said, most mtf have higher height compared than cis female but whether that is advantageous depends on the sport.

So basically it differs in which category they compete in

[orchid flume]

Yeah, but after three years HRT there's no meaningful advantage, and most cis women is basketball are unusually tall anyway

[fickle flint]

Depends on the sport yeah but since the game is already divided by gender, rather than making other competitor feels its unfair, i think its better to have mixed gender section

So no one can complain about anything. It's already mixed after all

After all people who play sports professionaly is definitely very competitive in nature. Even slight advantage can be deemed unfair for them. We cant deny male female have diff muscle, fat, grip strength, etc. If male and female body is not so different, trans wont have to undergo hormone treatment in the first place.

[radiant tundra]

I feel like it is worth noting that people only seem to care about physical advantage now that it has to do with trans people. There are already natural physical advantages in sports (things like asthma, and stuff like that)

[orchid flume]

Also most people in sports are rich and that comes with its own host of advantages

[harsh knot]

Yep, I myself can’t do sports because of really bad ankles, I know of a few other people who can’t because of similar things

[fickle flint]

I can vouch the athletes in my country are not rich. My gov sucks at providing for them 😭

I feel like having mixed gender should be generalized. Why sport has to be only for male and female anyway

[orchid flume]

Some cis women have high testosterone
Some cis women are tall.
Some have broad shoulder and high bone density. Should THEY be barred from sports.

[orchid flume]

The problem is men provided they have normal T rates be it natural or via HRT have a MASSIVE advantage over women

As much as I hate to say it, that's how it be.

[fickle flint]

Not just T level tho. Muscle, fat, grip strength, height, etc

There are some exception but most case are like that.

[orchid flume]

Yeah, but trans guys have muscle builds far more similar to that of cis men than cis women while on T just as trans women have physical muscle and fat builds far more similar to that of a cis woman than cis man.

[fickle flint]

I mean most journal I found are made in 2018, 2019, basically before covid. If theres further studies to prove transgender are equivalent to cis then we should support that

Since most journal these day proves the otherwise.

Even then, why stop at just male female, what about non binary. Hence why mixed gender is better

[orchid flume]

You have to wonder why we see no trans women who actually dominate any professional women's sports if the advantage is so clear.

[fickle flint]

No one will complain, everyone's happy. Can't say anything about birth gender or anything too

[orchid flume]

Even the most conservative estimates say men have at least a 10% and usually closer to a 50% advantage over women.

[fickle flint]

There is one. Although not trans. I know it cuz he is from my country

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aprilio_Manganang

[orchid flume]

Is he a trans man?

[fickle flint]

This is him. He competed in female volleyball team before

[orchid flume]

Well that's cause he's intersex which is totally different from trans

[fickle flint]

And he and his sister were the ace of the club. Although later on it turns out theres a slight drama regarding his sex. Some people said it was not fair since well we can see he did towered over other 😅

[orchid flume]

Well it wasn't intentional

[fickle flint]

It wasnt hence why no one could sue him. some country did try tho

[orchid flume]

But yeah, that's nothing like being trans in womens sports

Sports could be divided up to body mass but even that would have its own problems

[fickle flint]

It is divided on some sport category

Like boxing

Wrestling... idk is there any other. There must be i guess as long it involves body on body?

[orchid flume]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSJxPPmBk/

This should explain it a bit better than I can

[harsh knot]

Ok so sorry to interrupt if the convo is still going but
I just gotta say real quick: I love my bf, he and I were talking last night and I, running on one brain cell at 3 am, asked if he wanted to kiss and he said yes. Being gay is literally amazing

[orchid flume]

Awwwwwwww

[graceful geyser]

awww

soft

[fickle flint]

She should make counter journal and make it go viral so people can truly make change since as of now most journal still says otherwise

The only way to actually make change is by giving in depth study, give them all the fact in paper, be recognized, im sure it wont be hard to go viral these days since a lot of people support equality more compared to olden days

As of now trans still needs to undergo multiple test to determine whether they are good to perform in genderized sports because theres not enough study regarding it. Even then it only works for trans and cis only. Non binary still doesnt have a place in genderized sport

[frail bison]

See if they stopped the dumb shit about gendering sports and just used weight, height, and performance based on the sport we would be fine lol Although I doubt that will happen for a very long time sad

[orchid flume]

I feel like one problem is women already get shafted hard in sports, and if they did divide it into weight and stuff while a couple women would make it to that class most of them would be completely ignored since they wouldn't be in the highest class

[fickle flint]

Some sport alrd divided in weight tho

[frail bison]

No because you have multiple groups you don't have like one elite level

Like no system is perfect, just saying that to fix the gender issue in sports stop looking at gender

[fickle flint]

Having male and female category is wayyy to vague after all. Theres a lot of intersex athletes in running and they have to undergo hormone treatment to make sure their T is at the low

[frail bison]

Yeah exactly. There has also been cis people who can't compete because their natural hormone levels are not within the normal range because of gendered categories

[fickle flint]

After all, to actually make everything fair, competitor needs to be on same "level". Having a slight difference, even though it might not be advantageous, is still not "fair".

It's easy for us to say the difference is only slight, it should be okayy.

Well not for the athlete, their life literally depends on winning or losing

Everything and anything that might affect their performance will be taken into consideration. Especially when the category is just male and female

[frail bison]

Yeppers. This is also why I think every sport needs to be categorized on measurements specific to the sport. Some sports have waaaay too much of a difference based on body type. Using basketball as an example. Height makes a huge difference. I think that dividing by height is not the way to go completely, I think that initial set up should be height and if a person just outplays everyone of their range they get to go up to the next height level (because sports is a challenge and people shouldn't be stuck in a level they are way too good at). Many other sports are the same. Some individuals are so good at exceeding their own limitations

[fickle flint]

Yes, you can't argue that "x is tall but he still lose against y who is shorter than him"

But what if y has x's height? Maybe y can outplay x even more. Theres a lot of factor in winning but height definitely plays major part in basketball.

[frail bison]

Yep, I am sure someone better at math than myself could sort out how to measure things effectively

[fickle flint]

The problem in sport is complicated. We cant just say sports are transphobic because they dont allow trans to play freely (trans can still compete in some sport after multiple test). We can't deny physique plays major part in sport and your hormone definitely affects how your body works.

For us, it's just sport but for the athletes, it's their life.

Rather than forcing trans to fit in either male female category, we need to have another method to distinguish each level. After all, if sports stays as male/female competition, it still leaves non binary people unable to compete professionally.

[frail bison]

I agree 100%

[orchid flume]

Yeah!

And we need to make it a system that doesn't favor cis males. (I'm saying that not just competition wise, but in the fact women's sports are typically ignored hard.)

[fickle flint]

Doesnt favor anyone. Regardless of their gender, sexuality, hormone level, physique

[frail bison]

Well that part is not really going to happen in the sense of balance in sports. Can't balance something that favors certain attributes that may be prominent in one gender over another. What I mean is is that if more men go into one sport over another then your going to get a male dominated sport, same with if more women dominate another one. So it is actually more a societal thing than a sports thing.

[orchid flume]

I think we need to throw out all of society to do that

[frail bison]

lol ah so we are on the same page 😛

[fickle flint]

And really depends on each individual interest. Tbh i dont particularly care for sport. I mostly watch it only during olympic, world cup. And its only to keep up with the fads while most of my male friend still watch soccer outside of world cup season.

Male soccer garner more attention compared than female prolly cuz more male loves the sport compared than female. Same lah like how fashion industry is more focused on woman cuz most woman cares more abt their fashion compared to male

[frail bison]

Yeah honestly I find most women I know want to see more women in sports but none of them want to ever compete professionally.

[fickle flint]

They "want" but do they actually love it? Do they actually watch the competition? Outside of olympics of course

If i have to choose between shopping and watching live sports, i'd choose shopping. Im sorry 😂

[orchid flume]

I mean, I wanna see women in competitive gaming*

I'll be that woman on my female days

[frail bison]

lol yep my chicky friends are the same way. They won't even watch women in sports 80% of the time but they try to ask for more women in sports. I am not bashing them just saying that there is no sports love coming from them

[orchid flume]

A bit unrelated, but even with no physical advantages women are usually denied opportunities in competitive gaming too

The best Tank player in the world in Overwatch couldn't get a single team to sign her on because she's a girl

After the controversy only one super low level team would sign her on

[fickle flint]

Really? Is it truly because she's a girl?

[frail bison]

That story sounds interesting, but like there is tons of amazing male players that can't get signed either, generally it is because they are not compatible with the team or they have attitude issues. I would want to hear the full story on that one. I like to get the full scoop on incidents like those simply because regardless of gender, I know many times when there is a valid reason that people don't get picked in competitive gaming

[orchid flume]

This was in South Korea

[fickle flint]

Yeah you cant just immediately jump on the bandwagon on that. Especially with game that relies heavily on team playing. Like does the high ranked team needs a tank? Her attitude? Her compatibility with their style?

[frail bison]

Yeah teams require perfect compatibility

LCS has great examples of what happens when compatibility, attitude, or a persons image doesn't match a team

Also I can't find info on this girl

Oh there think I found her. Took a bit of fiddling with my search

[brazen willow]

do you have her name alex?

[fickle flint]

Oh do give us the deeds after you've done some further research!

Even then i guess you wont be able to find much since the juicy part must be in korean 😂

[orchid flume]

https://kotaku.com/no-overwatch-league-team-signed-the-games-most-notable-1821968992

[brazen willow]

some teams might not want to be affliated with that

[frail bison]

She was a part of an accusation of cheating in the pro world but she apparently proved that she didn't cheat which was what brought her international recognition. She got on Shanghai dragons in 2018 and left the scene later. In all honesty it seems that the cheating accusations is why teams were wary of her

Apparently her aim was unnatural

[brazen willow]

generally read into the detials of stuff not everyone wants to be affliated with someone cheating just like how a lot of sports teams wouldnt except someone with known use of ||steriods|| in the past

[frail bison]

Also seems that Geguri herself asked feminist groups to remove her from their sites lol

[fickle flint]

This too

Just being individually the best wont cut it. Especially with the cheating accusations

[frail bison]

I have seen this happen to many men in the industry too. Doesn't seem to be a gender thing but strictly a team compatibility and fear of a cheater kind of thing

[brazen willow]

yeah

[fickle flint]

The writer tried so hard to make this a gender thing too. Prolly to gain more click

[brazen willow]

dont jump to gender being the reason instantly because yes there are cases of sexism in this world but theres a lot of other variables too

[frail bison]

Yeah that is why I read multiple different sources

[fickle flint]

And honestly theres more male invested in competitive game like LOL, DOTA, OW, FF, etc etc compared than female.

It's really not fair to ask for more female player when there isnt a lot to begin with.

Dont get me wrong, i was deeply invested in dota2 years ago, almost got invited to join some pro training session too but idk man, I just lost interest in the game

In fact, being in the team because you are female makes it worse for me. It's like your gender is your main point of sale 😕

[frail bison]

Yeah being born female I have been asked to be a part of things just because of that and it is the most disgusting feeling in the world (was not out of the closet as male at the time so part of it was being gendered as female I admit)

[brazen willow]

btw luukia ik this is unrelated

but your pfp is kinda very epic

[frail bison]

In my industry (programming) I specifically avoided applying to jobs that had diversity hire programs because I wanted recognition as myself

[orchid flume]

I mean I met a ton of girls over overwatch VC

[fickle flint]

Yeah thats why when i play competitive game like ow, i dont let people know my gender. Let them assume me as male idc. I dont even care if my team mates are male, female, a cat posing as human, idc

[orchid flume]

Boys just made sexual comments about me

[blissful granite]

cat posing as a human...

[fickle flint]

Thank youu. Its me after pregnancy. The tiny peanut is my bebe

[blissful granite]

das nuts.

[fickle flint]

🥔 this is me during pregnancy. Just need to add the eyes and blush. Then i changed pfp after i got my bebe

[blissful granite]

Being "out" at your work is a thing.

And that's either a good thing, a bad thing, or a talks-behind-your-back thing.

Usually the latter, imho

[frail bison]

Yeah my workplace is just like 10 people all in total. I expect them to talk behind my back but like everyone is professional and I got a couple allies at work and that makes me cool with it

[fickle flint]

If its the latter, believe me they are going to do it anyway even if you didnt come out. You coming out is just giving them additional things to talk about but it won't stop them from doing it

[brazen willow]

potato momment

[frail bison]

The worst that my workplace has is the guy who starts his talk about gay men by saying "I am cool with gay people, and I am friends with one"

[brazen willow]

oh god

[frail bison]

lol yeah, now that I am out as male at work I am not sure how he will talk to me now, it might get even more cringe tbh

[brazen willow]

i swear im not transphobic (sorry if im miss understanding to my understanding youre trans right?) i have a trans coworker

[frail bison]

Lol don't worry I am not offended by you asking. Yes I am a trans male

[orchid flume]

Would you mind assigning pronoun roles? I hate to ask you directly but I think that would be very helpful

[frail bison]

I kind of do mind a bit if I am being honest. I feel singled out

[upbeat carbon]

Can I be a nerd and ask what you languages you use?

[orchid flume]

I'm sorry

[frail bison]

Hell yeah! I have worked in C#, php, java, javascript, androids java, a tiny bit of objective c, and html which is not really worth mentioning. I have also used multiple ide's. I work for a company that uses literally whatever the client wants us to use so I imagine that I will just keep jumping languages and ides as I go

[upbeat carbon]

We could've been work out buddies AND dev buddies

[frail bison]

Crap, one of us needs to move!

[upbeat carbon]

Dangit, hold on wait a few years til the pandemic lets me move to the states lmfao

Then we're on the same timezone sorta kinda

[frail bison]

You should move to Canada

[upbeat carbon]

"html which is not really worth mentioning" lmfaoo poor html, always left out

[upbeat carbon]

I wish but I mainly want my wife to be comfy so I'll... survive... in the USA for a bit

[frail bison]

comfy?

[upbeat carbon]

comfortable ? I mean it as in "not stressed" but idk if it's the right english word for that

[frail bison]

Ah, yeah I figured that I just am curious why the states would be less stress. She have family there (don't answer that if you don't want to)

[upbeat carbon]

OH ! Yeah sorry, that's a big oversight on my part, she's american

[frail bison]

Ohhhhhh that makes sense XD

[upbeat carbon]

I ask about languages cos I've been hired as a web dev for a company but so far I've only been doing maintenance and SEO
I code more on my free time than at work and it hurts , I miss my IDE

[frail bison]

Ah yeah web dev is dying in the industry, app/software dev has been absorbing it. I think most web dev positions I see nowadays are just all maintenance

Even in school I listened to an instructor tell his web dev students to swap to programming if they wanted to find work

[brazen willow]

cell and either making a indie game?!?!?!!?

[frail bison]

Ahahaha Hell yeah!

I took game dev classes I am sure we could sort it out XD

[brazen willow]

o wait

web dev not game oki

[frail bison]

lol we will just convert cell to game dev, and I will just learn more game dev (I do mobile game dev stuff for work sometimes)

[brazen willow]

o cool

[rigid burrow]

While game dev is a very fascinating topic it would probably be a better topic for #🕹other-game-dev or #💬general or #💭general2

[upbeat carbon]

Lmfao catch me modding
But yes sorry, back to the main topic at hand

[civic shadow]

Saw this shirt at a gas station like 4 or 5 years ago and its been my favorite since 🌈

[orchid flume]

Me: "Mom can you give me money to buy cishet books?"
Mom: "To buy Cishet books?"
Me: "Yesssssss."
Actually buys Nimona and other LGBT books like a boss.

[harsh knot]

hell yeah

[harsh knot]

ok so my bf and i did our first official date and just, it was amazing

[civic shadow]

Wooooo

[wicked jungle]

Does anybody here know of a LGBT zombie (apocalypse?) book? i've read it back in 2014 but lost the book apparently but cant for the life of me think of the name

also i am so incredibly hyped for Heartstopper - it's unreal
https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/netflix-show-heartstopper-what-we-know-so-far/

[blissful granite]

Oh no, what happened to Schlee? She was our LGBTQ Mama. 😦 She's not on the server any more and blocked any incoming friend requests. I is sad.

[wicked jungle]

she is on the server tho?

[harsh knot]

It says she’s still here?

[exotic valley]

She’s still in the server just not with a mod role

[pure oxide]

You just added an extra "c" to my name

[wicked jungle]

Is everything alright matt? :o

[violet dome]

Please, if any of you have any concerns or questions, feel free to come to me or any of the other mods. We'll do our best to make sure this server is a safe place for everyone! I'm a member of the lgbtq community myself so I promise you you've got a sympathetic ear here.

[blissful granite]

Ah sorry, I got this message and couldn't find her. My bad!

Apologies for causing any concern.

[umbral sigil]

You probably need to be friends. No worries! Also I think at least half of the moderating team is a part of the LGBTQ+ community, and the remaining few who aren't, are definite allies

[wicked jungle]

aw, it's ok vain

[blissful granite]

Quick topic change then. 🙂

Is anyone's cities doing physical pride parades this year?
All the ones near me are virtual.

[umbral sigil]

I live between Baltimore and DC so I'm pretty sure they will be, always a big event here

[violet dome]

NYC is physical as well, tbh even if it wasn't I'm sure people would make one

[wicked jungle]

there has been a bigger one in Karlsruhe! and some are also planned for other bigger cities, have heard nothing for where i live at tho ._.

[normal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/friday-feeling-friday-shaq-cat-gif-12197444

[supple brook]

She did leave. And I'm genuinely really upset and sad about it.

[dusky sphinx]

I just saw that too and that's really disappointing that it had to come to that. She did a fantastic job as a mod and was the sole reason I stuck around after feeling nervous about joining such a large server to begin with. She always did an incredible job at making me and others feel welcome.

[supple brook]

Same here :/ she honestly felt like such an important core part of the community and it feels like some people held that against her

[orchid flume]

:(

She really made me feel welcome and supported

[dusky sphinx]

Yeah it seems like such a hard job and I don't think people always understand that. I also just noticed that Booty left this morning too and he was also so nice! What the heck is happening 😦

[supple brook]

Oh fuck wait really?? That sucks ://

[umbral sigil]

If anyone needs to discuss the situation, please bring it up with a moderator. Things happen for a reason, but let's try not to speculate on things please!

[supple brook]

No one's speculating on anything, just venting because we're upset about this

[orchid flume]

Yeah, we're just missing our friends.

[dusky sphinx]

yup, I'm just stating things that I've noticed-- they were both really great and I appreciate their time here

[umbral sigil]

I get that, just making sure it doesn't evolve into speculation

[supple brook]

Booty didn't even say goodbye in the mod alerts chat. That kinda worries me. Hope he's ok

[dusky sphinx]

same here!

[fickle flint]

I believe everything must've happened for a reason. The management must've gone through a lot of meetings before they come to this decision too. Let's trust in the process! I know Stairways always strive for everyone's comfort! And also, if the said person didn't come and explained what's the reason, I believe it's better not to pry. It is their choice if they want to divulge in the reasoning to us or not. Let's respect their choice as well!

[dusky sphinx]

Again, we are simply just stating how sad we are today that two awesome mods are longer with us. No one here said anything about management

[gaunt solar]

Hmm well hopefully they did speak to her beforehand and tried to work out any issues, because if not that would be a real crappy thing to do! But I trust Tani knows exactly what was spoken about and why the decision was made and wouldn’t say otherwise 🤗

Anyways how is everyone today?

[dusky sphinx]

Hi Caeda!

[umbral sigil]

well it's Friday so there's that

been a long, long week

[gaunt solar]

Fridays are always good. Unless I suppose if you work retail and Friday doesn’t count

[umbral sigil]

valid I don't anymore but I used to. I enlisted in 2017, so currently in the military

[supple brook]

I can't imagine the decision to leave was a light one for her, considering how active she was here. I'm not trying to speculate, but you'd think if there had been a conversation something would've happened sooner, rather than a quick resignation post and then leaving the server. But I guess we'll never know. It is what it is tho, can't change what happened I guess. Anyways

[umbral sigil]

Anywayyyyyyyyyy

any fun weekend plans?

[fickle flint]

You know after having my own wordpress, i noticed aside from the US, the top viewer often comes from the country where gay marriage is not legalized yet

[umbral sigil]

makes me wonder what the correlation there is

[fickle flint]

I translate BL novel so my readers definitely are someone who's acceptable to lgbtq+

Like.. even though our gov doesn't have any plan to legalize gay marriage (seems impossible even given my country's condition) but actually there's a lot of silent supporter!

[violet dome]

Hopefully that's a good place to start for you then, at least!

[fickle flint]

Here's one of the example. Even the country notorious for being against gay marriage, is in the top 5!

[violet dome]

What's that list of?

[fickle flint]

Thats the list of country sorted by number of view to my site

[gaunt solar]

Man I have to say it’s really good to see you and Tani being more active again, Matt! I’m so glad life has cleared up enough to allow you to participate in actual modding more 😄

[fickle flint]

I know 99% of my reader must be the younger generation but I guess that gives us hope at least?

[umbral sigil]

Yeah I'm doing classes from home right now, so I've been able to keep Discord up on my second monitor. After next week I go back to work, but I'll be more available again mid-July I think, if my next class is also virtual

luukia I hope you're right

it'd be great to think the new generation is gonna bring in some good change

[fickle flint]

I wasn't expecting to have this much views from countries like them so this small fact is a nice thing for me. Like.. a new glimmer of hope at least

[valid timber]

Honestly? asking Shlee to first resign and then she leaves right after? it all feels like she really wasn't wanted around by management, and honestly there is a handful of "community" members who didn't like her, it's no secret who those people are either, they always ignore her and moderators, well, most moderators, they ignored Shlee, Booty, and will continue to ignore Elsa and Trace, seriously, if you don't see that you're blinder than a mole.

And yhe, gotta agree with Caeda there, Y'all were never active before, hell, didn't even know you were mods till recently

[mental sonnet]

Hello Anubis, you are free to talk to me or to the moderators but please do not make any wrong assumptions. We will appreciate it if you can talk to us privately, I will let the management know about your concerns too.

[valid timber]

nah, Y'all will just give me ANOTHER fucking copy paste "we're sorry to hear about your concerns"

like you did earlier, you posted that exact same message in Gen chat too

Don't think I can't tell a copy paste when I see it Honey

[flint dagger]

whoa

[mental sonnet]

Also, this is #lgbt channel, please stay within topic.

[fickle flint]

I mean.. if shlee herself keeps you in the dark... there must be a reason why, right? Maybe she's not comfortable divulging it to you. Let's respect her choice too.

[gaunt solar]

True… is gen chat better? Sorry! 😩

[valid timber]

I'll move it to #🐔coral-general since it belongs there, cause there is multiple concerns I've got, Y'all been censoring some real shit

[gaunt solar]

But hey luukia that’s all really neat about your reader! :3

[frail bison]

I bought suspenders yesterday in the trans colors. I legit have nothing to wear with the suspenders, but I am happy about my purchase anyways 😛

[harsh knot]

Mmmmkay so my bf and I decided that we’d try to go on a date once every week or so and he and I are probably gonna play minecraft for our next one. Being in a gay relationship actually super fun!

[graceful geyser]

gay rights!!

[harsh knot]

Yes!!!!

[frail bison]

Ooo that sounds fun and cute. Also did you doubt that being in a gay relationship was fun?

[harsh knot]

For a minute I thought it would be really scary because I live in the south but nah, it’s super chill

[frail bison]

Ah I see, that makes sense now

[harsh knot]

Ye, I just hear about a lot of awful things happening but so far it seems like we’re in fairly friendly places

Also also, lgbtq+ rights are human rights

Wanted to say that as well but I forgot for a second

[wicked jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/gary-del-boy-trotters-plonka-only-fools-and-horses-gif-9779833

[brazen willow]

https://tenor.com/view/gary-snail-eat-spit-gif-19521590

gary rights

[wicked jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/save-gary-spongebob-movie3-meow-gary-big-eyes-gif-15633328

[normal ice]

I just got out of the Navy a year ago yesterday

[hexed crypt]

Is here someone out of Germany maybe out of Hamburg who is interested in playing together some games? :))

[errant raptor]

just popping in to say hey to my fellow acronym peops o/

[harsh knot]

yo!

[wicked jungle]

hey back to you c:

[civic shadow]

Love that my friend transitioned from ftm and his boyfriend is super supportive. We stan 😌❤

[harsh knot]

d'aww, thas literally me with my bf

[orchid flume]

Heyo! That's awesome!

[errant raptor]

lol