New Elder System

[summer arch]

nope cause there was none lol

The current system was probably made after the dev looked at this chat and saw people theorising about yelling at crystal

It's honetsly a fantastic idea to say there is system so people brainstorm ways it could work to be inspired by these ideas and make an actual system out of it

At least that's how it feels to me looking back at it

[wide canopy]

No its been in the plan I think.
-# look at old patreon posts dunno if i can say this or not

[heavy ridge]

Can we please not state something inflammatory as fact.
-# tacking on "at least thats how it feels to me" 4 messages deep isn't helping

1.0.0's "active" system was gated behind passive leveling then killing an elder, as the first 2 of 3 steps. We did not find the third.

The titles of patreon posts are public, even if their contents are not. But regardless, there is nothing wrong in saying the model for the Power Geodes was made by DragonBrigade.

Brig left the team in August of last year.

I have fanart of a Dravern wearing a defunct concept of the snowslayer skin, and eating one of the geodes, from way back then, before the Dravern model was done.

You can scroll the feedback thread from the last week, and find a dozen people complaining about the new elder system before we figured out what it was
Stating as fact things that were not true, things they did not like about the eldering system, and wanted removed.

This game has enough of a misinformation problem in it's community.

It has, all the way since 2019.

Let's not add to it.

[wide canopy]

If any updates are needed @ me 3 times

[jagged patrol]

Wasn't venom/yellow from 75-100?

[wide canopy]

Im just going off gremlins format just going detail

Oh

Bfiwfjwjgnnws typo

It just clicked i love doing corrections at 3am

I put it on the white

Thats why i looked at it and went “yea thats probably right”

[modern leaf]

I changed the color from yellow to magenta with my bio

[wide canopy]

-# inhale
Nice

[modern leaf]

BS:
Night, magenta, 8% progress, got 2%

[tardy perch]

Can someone clarify which parts of the day count as 'day' and which count as 'night'? Like, which does Dawn fall under? And so forth.

[heavy ridge]

Dawn-dusk is day, night is night.

[eager heath]

yep, Night is purely "Night", Day is anything that isnt just "Night"

[heavy ridge]

Not the most intuitive thing, but it's night, and everythinnnnng else

[tardy perch]

Noted. thank you!

[eager heath]

i guess it makes sense - the small window for "any %, all same color"
and the big window for prog based

[umbral canopy]

yea that crystal top waterfall need to be fixed. With 10 ppl still did'nt got it

[gaunt stream]

I can hover next to it as blitz or carefully position myself next to it on SS/FS and get it

It depends on how people are positioning themselves

[sand notch]

white can be changed by any dragon to have a different color i just found out

dunno about other colors that swapped

also note -> you have to aim at the white part of the crystal to get a tick

[heavy ridge]

If a dragon can activate a crystal, they can change the color by failing the activation (stopping too soon)
White during the day can give anyone a tick. White at night can only be activated by Bios currently

[minor hinge]

Only dragons that can hover have been able to get it so far
Ive heard of bio's doing it and ive gotten it with a bs #1209681807746801724 message

[tropic grove]

looks like rabies or distemper ngl 😭

[shell axle]

puttin this here cause someone asked

[tender lily]

omg thank you. It was really needed a map like this

[naive otter]

Very useful

But white is a bit of a complicated color
Yes white during the day time is for everyone

But white at night bio can only trigger atm (because it's a non-element type) so in the future white might be for those that don't have an element type..

Keep this in mind while hunting!

But in the end I'm happy with the new system.

[silver helm]

it's wrong in the upper progs btw

yellow is 75%+

[hot jasper]

Zygovo has acid?

[white path]

yep!
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1088090/view/3040462341837736566

it uses acid to break eggshells

[hot jasper]

Oo that's really interesting

I wonder if it'll have a similar spit to asd

[white path]

we shall see but most likely! the singe's cauterizing beam has a similar effect to a ss's plasma blasts

[sonic marlin]

sorry to be the obvious newbie, but how do i see the percentages?? Or do i just have to guess?

[pliant violet]

Press I to see your stats and such, it should show your growth stage and how far along you are. Thats how you can tell how far you are into eldering

[sonic marlin]

is that the percentage I have to be to use these crystals?

[pliant violet]

During the day yea, during night it is the crystal that matches your dragon

[worldly blade]

i'm gonna go ahead and guess the cyan crystals will be for ice whenever the frostfels come around

wonder what yellow will be though

[cosmic river]

venom

[worldly blade]

hm! maybe

[naive otter]

I feel like this deserves a pin here ^.^

[cosmic river]

biolumin element in-game is shown as "Unique"

[rapid cradle]

Does anyone know how to activate the elder cystals?

[hybrid grove]

Aim at the white part, 1 call many times while aiming, and eventually it will pop and give you elder ticks.
Note that there are different colours that correspond to dragons or elder progress
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209681807746801724/1291928434653790330/HungryGremlinGraphicMK2.png?ex=6703331d&is=6701e19d&hm=fdf031708003327120065e33cead9f4823ee31c5d3a6a25a7cf35a62628ff4a0&

[jagged patrol]

Today we had 2 crystals glowing at the same time. Once on the big tree in the elderforest (magenta) and once on the BR (yellow)

[eager heath]

can confirm two glowing from my server too, no clue when it was but i remember one was cyan (night) at arch and then yellow on island - was very mad XD

[long monolith]

Had 2 active at once, 1 at pride rock (green) and 1 at big tree waterfall ledge (Cyan). This was at night on an Official server.

[delicate shard]

ive had 2 active both at arch, a magenta and Blue.

[sand notch]

this is not acurate, reds are from 60-75% and yellow from 75-100% :0

But great job on the idea!

[regal spindle]

I'm a bit confused about the crystals. I was aim + roaring at a red one on my IR, for a good 10min, then it just darkened once it turned evening. Did I miss something?

[minor hinge]

if you were from 60-75% elder it might have been a bad angle- some places are buggy and you have to be calling right into the white part of the crystal- I was calling at one with my blits and it wasnt working for a few minutes so I just walked around it for a sec and tried at a new angle and it glowed

[potent garnet]

does being admin grown affect your ability to elder? i was with an ss trying to activate a blue crystal at night and it wouldn't glow

[naive otter]

it shouldnt... i have been admin grown on a private server to juvie and hadnt had any issues

[potent garnet]

okay, thanks ^^

[heavy ridge]

We've gotten a few reports from force grown dragons eldering just fine. Jao is known to be bug swatting the crystal hitboxes, especially the cases where the crystals are coming out of walls at weird angles

[potent garnet]

ahhhh good to know. does 2x growth give double ticks also?

[heavy ridge]

Yeeeessssss, p sure. Lemme scroll, I know one of us mentioned it

#general-chat message
Yeah, other people can confirm

[potent garnet]

okay ty vm!

[hazy mural]

this fact is true

[potent garnet]

does anyone know if you can still get ticks from adjacent crystals? if someone activates a cyan and you're under 15% or over 30% can you still get the tick?

[heavy ridge]

If you're the next color over and standing close enough, yeah, you should

[potent garnet]

okay ty. it hasn't been working for me but maybe i wasn't close enough

[heavy ridge]

Sometimes the hitboxes are wonky, and honestly we do need more data.

Do you remember colors, your % and time if day

[potent garnet]

green, 23ish%, daytime

i didn't activate it, someone else did

(they got the tick)

[heavy ridge]

o7 ty

[eager heath]

every time we tried after knowing the exact % it didnt work

[heavy ridge]

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, it's why it isn't on the inforgraphic (yet)

The only way we can narrow down why is with more data.

Do you remember the %, color, and time of day involved with those?

[eager heath]

found Cyan (15-30) - set up a party with:
19% IR - activated
33% FS, 36% FS - 30-45% (one category up)
0% SS, 6% SS, 5% SS - 0-15% (one category down)

only the IR got the tick

message is some time ago in this thread lol

[heavy ridge]

Thank you for letting me know that's repeat information then ❤️

[sly cedar]

Makes me slightly sad that there's hardly any mention of ASDs in the Elder thread. lolol it's just such a pain in the canoodles for our scaly doggo to get active Elder ticks. lol all because it can't fly. - sad asd howl - The future ASD Wolf packs will have like one powerful alpha couple and then weaker minions heheh

"learn your place omega >:c " lolool

[eager heath]

dont remember anything about the other instances but it has happened few other times
mostly with cyan/green or once with yellow

[heavy ridge]

Problem is, we know there is cases where it works, but we also know the hitboxes are currently bugged.

So knowing there are false negatives, I can't definitely say something shouldnt happen, only if it has

[eager heath]

true, tho sadly those were always the good spots
like bio ledge, the br one in the smaller cave etc

[potent garnet]

two 30%~ fs activated a red at night but didn't get the tick even though it exploded, it was the one on the side of the rock at the falls

[cosmic river]

that one is weird to get a tick from

you gotta either be on it or jump on it when it pops

[potent garnet]

ah thank you

[heavy ridge]

Any of the sideways ones a a bit funky right now ❤️

[eager heath]

had luck with the sideways one in arch - since they got bigger all works perfectly

as long as we sit on the ledge next to it (RIP ASD)

[heavy ridge]

Hopefully as Echo adds the caves in, we'll get crystals down there too, and then it'll be rip anything that sets foot in those caves on the PvP servers

[dire shuttle]

The colors seem to be altered a bit with the update, is anyone planning on makeing an updated guide like this?

[wide canopy]

Its just the lighting. Not changed at all

[naive otter]

yip its mainly lighting, the colors are the same no matter what lighting its in, it just may look a bit off because of it. not much we can do there really

[heavy ridge]

Nothing but cross our fingers that Jao puts symbols in as colorblind support

Because oh golly I may not be color blind but i need the help

[wide canopy]

“Is it cyan or blue?”
“Its clearly cbluyan”
Trying to figure out what color it is during nighttime and storming

Applies to white too
-# do not reply

[rapid radish]

I haven't played the game with the active eldering system, so a question; can you detect an active crystal with a juvi or a dragon that doesn't elder? 🤔

[eager heath]

Detect active?
Yes you can see them glow
Yes you can hear the humming
Yes you can see if someone is activating it (the white crystals inside glow)
Yes you can hear people calling at them
Yes you can see the explosion after that gives people a tick
No matter what dragon or age you are

Can you make them glow?
Not as a juvi, hatchi or an adult that doesn't fit the criteria - day elder % (bio counts as 100%, being able to activate yellow), night element

Can you receive a tick?
Not as a juvi, hatchi, bio or a dragon that doesn't fit the criteria

[naive otter]

Class 2 and under are unable to elder ^ to note

[rapid radish]

Ty for explaining! 🫶

[potent garnet]

also if you're halfway through activating a night crystal and it turns to day it'll deactivate even though you've started

just had it on ss

[misty basin]

is there an updated version of the crystal map somewhere?

[cosmic river]

https://discord.com/channels/576933363672285186/1286563504114892810

[heavy ridge]

How to Elder

-# a written guide, in one place

• Step One:
  Find a crystal. The most up to date map of their locations is pinned in #1286563504114892810

• Step Two
  Identify the Crystal.
  -# image credit to @maiden island and @naive otter

||this is a placeholder message in case visuals get updated||

• Step Three
  Determine if the Crystal is right for you,
  One color will work for you at night, based on your dragon's bile type.
  One color will work for you between Dawn and Dusk (at "Day"), based on what your eldering % is

|| this is a placeholder message, so I can swap out the image when we get bile confirmation for the other 2 colors||

• Step Four (optional)
  Tell your friends what you found!
  Crystals can be shared by more then one dragon, if the color is right for them too! But watch out, crystals only stay one color for so long.

• Step Five
  Aim at the center of the geode (white center) of the crystal by holding down rmb.

Then 1-call (or "broadcast" or "yell") at the crystal.

If it's the right crystal for you, and you're standing close enough, the center will start glowing!

• Step Six
  KEEP YELLING
  It will take 9-10 yells for the crystal to pop.
  If you stop part way, the crystal will change to a different color, and you'll loose your chance to pop it (but one of your friends might still be able to pop it, so ask around if anyone is looking for the new color, they'll appreciate it)

• Step Seven
  Wait. It'll take a little bit between getting your hint about feeling stronger, and the growth actually showing up, so dont panic!
  You're free to start looking for another crystal or anything else, there's no cooldown or things that will interfere with the process once you've popped the crystal

[compact berry]

Might be good to put this in #1067209257616949258 too

[verbal drum]

Day have dragons has driven us so angry that we are screaming at rocks now

[turbid copper]

Better than mushrooms tbh

[quaint arrow]

I ngl miss the mushrooms 😭

[cosmic river]

same

[heavy ridge]

We're getting the mushrooms back as buff items (not elder prog)

[hallow mountain]

https://discord.com/channels/576933363672285186/1304192204637605898
I made this suggestion a couple hours ago because yes I miss the mushrooms too but this system has potential

[silver helm]

This has already been said in #1295372704152555561 so you have made a double post

[hallow mountain]

Awh I didn't see that 😭

Edit:
I checked the original message, my suggestion is different, it's about having at least one active crystal for each color, so they aren't the same suggestion

[silver helm]

The discussion in there has mentioned it and talked about it quite a bit

It's basically the same with a different name

[heavy ridge]

Actually, I havnt seen someone suggest having one of each active at all times yet, I think they're good

[brisk haven]

Anyone else realised a problem with the waterfall crystal? It can only be called at from a specific angle, but walk forward anymore to try catch the tick and you fall off and loose progress or cause the crystal to fizzle out to different color? I called the crystal, but got no tick because I was "too far back" when I was literally on the rock right next to it

This is the only angle of the crystal that I could scream at the get a reaction, anything from top or other side, didn't react. yes it was night time the whole time

[maiden island]

thats a known issue

[brisk haven]

ok good to know

[brisk haven]

I’ve got another question, does white give 0% prog at night. I belive it does, it’s any percent at anytime, any dragon. But I’ve had someone question the belief so just seeing what everyone else’s opinion is?

Additionally, I’ve had white work midday on a 3% ss, yet I’ve got another claim that white doesn’t work during day. Anyone able to help?

[silver helm]

Look at pinned messages

Always check pinned mesaages to make sure it hasn't already been answered

[brisk haven]

Mkay thx

fyi there is nothing in pinned, so if anyone knows the answer, help pls <3

[silver helm]

The answer is pinned

There's a lot of messages pinned

[silver helm]

.

1st pinned message that literally appears

[brisk haven]

but that isn't.. answering the question? If Ive had 2 ppl say theyve had white activated at night, but then ive got someone saying that white never reacted to their group of dragons other than a bio, then when the bio popped it didn't recieve a tick, this information isnt helping me explain it to them.

Im one of those said who've activated it

im wondering if they weren't aiming right

[cosmic river]

at the moment only bio is able to activate white at night
whether or not other dragons receive a tick has not been properly tested

[brisk haven]

thank you

[cosmic river]

there is a lot of misinformation being spread that it either gives or does not give ticks at night
i personally would advise testing yourself and letting us know what you found

during day white works on all dragons at all elder prog

[silver helm]

The information in the pinned message is confirmed by Jao himself

[silver helm]

Confirmed by Jao

[cosmic river]

Jao has not said this is a 100% correct form

[silver helm]

But it is

[cosmic river]

it has already been tweaked after being pinned by Jao here as new information is always found and appreciated

[brisk haven]

as I said tho, I needed an answer like fandom said, cus the images and "How to elder" isn't something I can just tell someone and say "thats why your opinion is wrong"

which btw, is not what im saying to them xD, i just basically told em what u said fandom, thx btw

[cosmic river]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-salute-hat-off-condolences-jack-sparrow-hat-off-gif-18163964

[silver helm]

The images were based on hundreds and hundreds of data submitted by the community when they got a crystal they submitted a form and data was collected

[cosmic river]

like i just said it was tweaked after Jao pinned the original image

he did not confirm it was 100% correct, he just pinned it

as it was only about 95% correct at the time

and again, not all information is correct on the white aside from it being for all dragons during day
if anyone can get us clips during night then we'll be sure

[silver helm]

Oh yh

It doesn't say all info during night

@heavy ridge Only bio can activate/roll white during night. This has been tested please update the image

[wide canopy]

This should help.

None is Bio’s element

Like Broods.

That’s why it can.

[silver helm]

White is wrong here too

[wide canopy]

0-100%

[silver helm]

White can be activated by bio during night

[wide canopy]

Ok..?

Its

Not wrong..

None aka “Unique”..

Which is again.. Bio’s element.

[silver helm]

May not be wrong but it confuses that it doesn't say that white can be activated by bio during night

[wide canopy]

It does technically say it..

[silver helm]

Nope

It says none

Not unique

[wide canopy]

-_-

None is unique elements

Waiting on brood to update it mate.

[silver helm]

It will be complete when you add that bio can activate white at night

Then it will be 100% complete

[brisk haven]

yes, ik that, but obviously white crystals have a jiffy database, theyre rare. the images also state nothing about white crystals

[cosmic river]

lets move on for now before this gets any more heated

[brisk haven]

https://tenor.com/view/grilla-yes-hell-thumbs-up-grills-gif-21243938

[cosmic river]

the images will be updated when peoplle give more data

[wide canopy]

So you want me to like.
Slap text saying “Bio ONLY can activate white at night” and exclude potential dragons like
Hybrid and Mimikor and brood.

Please wait until we get more information and everyone will update their.

-# It is common knowledge that None is Unique.

[heavy ridge]

-# I would like to draw your attention to the small text below the red semicircle, stating that white at night is activated by non-standard elements.

It's not the clearest yet, there only being so many dragons in the game, but DoD operates on a 6 element system. They have intent of making one dragon of each element for each body type (Drake, Wyvern, etc)

There are additional dragons however, the Bio, BW, and several hinted but not fully revealed dragons, that have non-standard or "unique" elements. It is that category that activates white at night.

[heavy ridge]

-# whoops, responding to ping when I woke up, didn't see this until I scrolled down.

[silver helm]

I know that

[wide canopy]

-# same lol

[heavy ridge]

Dragons of Danger Class 2 and lower (Bio, Zygovo, Mimikor, etc.) Don't elder.
They can still pop and roll crystals (yellow for 100% during the day, their element [white for Bio] at night) but they will never receive elder ticks or stat increases
-# they do receive all 7 mutation points, but they get them at full adult, not full elder
Hope that helps finish off your question ❤️

[brisk haven]

Thank you!

[hallow mountain]

Ye I think that max growth counts as elder so they trigger the yellow one during the day
Or something like that

[sly cedar]

🤔... seeing that image of the crystals... thr colors of the plasma and electricity... seemed kinda switched don't they? The electricity looks kinda blue in game and the plasma looks purplish..

[wide canopy]

Purple looks purple to me.

[eager heath]

I think they meant the element color in game
Which I do have to agree, when SS shoots it has slightly purple color while Blitz is 100% blue
The crystals being the opposite is interesting XD

[hallow mountain]

yeah plasma has a purple-ish tint

[sly cedar]

You're purple. 😛

[brisk haven]

fyi, I have 2 timers for 2 different crystals that freshly spawned

10 mins

and 20 mins

[heavy ridge]

10 and 20 minutes, from when to when? Which events were you measuring?

[brisk haven]

like, I saw it pop up, and saw it fizzle out

it took 10 mins for one at BR

and 20 mins for one at ridge

[heavy ridge]

Okay, so you saw it change from inactive to glowing, and you saw it go from glowing to inactive, one took 10 minutes, the other 20.
Thank you!

[brisk haven]

yup!

[brisk haven]

We have 3 crystals glowing at once! 2 greens, 1 at world tree, one in river, and a cyan in river as well!

and we have 3 different ppl hunting, I sat at world tree, the other two went to check river, then river glowed, and the other one continued to find another glow

[silver helm]

Yup already known

There can be 2-3 crystals active at once

2 active being the most common

[brisk haven]

good to know, just putting info here as usual so ppl can still collect data like ive seen some are, as we haven't 100% worked the system out yet

[silver helm]

It's pretty much 100% figured out

Otherwise it's 99.9999% figured out

[heavy ridge]

-# I have like 2% of the data I need to say how shared ticks work.

[heavy ridge]

-# and Jao said there was the chance of any higher number of crystals being active at once, up to all of them, it's just very rare

[heavy ridge]

It's appreciated. Sometimes people assume something is true, and having cases like this I can point to helps clear things up
Ty ❤️

[silver helm]

Crystals don't share unless ur dragon is the correct prog for that crystal?

[heavy ridge]

We've got cases where the next color over can recieve ticks too, but only sometimes. It's why it's not on the infographic, still don't have enough data to nail down exactly what was going on there

[silver helm]

could it be a bug?

[eager heath]

ig depends if they were close to the cut off? the cut off might not be perfect
(especially condering it round up/down a lot in many species)

[heavy ridge]

If I had to spitball from hazy memory, I could take a wild guess and say most of them were within 8% of the cut-off

but do not quote me on that

I would need to go back and collate to double check
I was running a hypothesis that over/under color mattered, that it was only one way

But, well, lack of data. It's hard to get a group to report their % and who popped it and who did/didn't get the tick.

[heavy ridge]

Things could always be a bug. Before we figured out the day/night thing, only FS and IR were getting reds, and only sometimes, and then out of nowhere this SS was getting them? And the FS and IR in the party weren't getting the ticks???
Sure looked like a bug. Wasn't. But looked like it.

-# the SS reported as "any time of day" reds were working for them, which also shows how much of reporting can be thrown off by user error, because "any time" is a massive generalization to make when it turns out during night? It wasn't going to work. But there are plenty of dark night-like times that people were reporting as "night" while dusk, dawn, etc were actually part of the day pattern.

-# I was doing purely data crunching for those 6 days, and slamming my head into the wall for all of them.

-# love you guys, love the community, but humans were not made to be good at reporting data

[rapid radish]

Gremlin, have you considered (I'm not sure if you have even done this already) making a "data report sheet" for ppl to fill, to get accurate and consistent data? 🤔 Like very short questionnaire of what, when, how, etc, so ppl can answer like with 1-2 words. ^^

[heavy ridge]

XD see, other people already did that. The difficulty was getting people to fill out the forms.
We had 2 people working from nicely submitted small data sets, and I was scraping the chat for everything else. Having the bigger data set is why I was able to identify the pattern first, but it ment I had to decide which data I could and couldn't disregard. It would have been very easy for selection bias to ruin the whole thing with my method, I got very lucky with anecdotes and the people working with me.

The big issue was that we didn't know which factors were important. People were reporting the weather, the skin they had, if they were spawn or nested, m/f.

[rapid radish]

I didn't mean even a form, bc even those can feel too much of a hassle for ppl, just a message template here on dc (pinned ofc) for ppl to copy paste and fill and send a message that way. 😄

[heavy ridge]

I'll think about how I could do it that'd be easiest to use.

[topaz thicket]

anyone have list for crystals like this?

#1114675821190328320 message

[naive otter]

Specifically for crystals? Not yet we do not know accurately yet. However if you'd like to help starting from when you're 0% and keep in mind of your passive tics during your testing.

All we know of is the % per gain atm which seems to be accurately the same.

So if you do the math right from the first crystal you could find how long it will take ya

So if each tic for an IR is 1.9%? I think if I remember correctly. How many crystals would the IR need.
Etc This kind of math

And since some dragons don't actually get 1.9% each. For example an ASD gets a little bit more per crystals (I can't remember what it Is tho)

[hallow mountain]

Crystals replaced mushrooms so the values listed are the same!

[SS and Blitz] and [FS and IR], belong to the same size class so the elder % they obtain from each tick is the same 💜

Legacy elder % didn't show anything below 1%, so it used to approx the number, that's why you never knew how big the next tick was going to be (for example count as 1% something that was actually 0.9), now it's just more accurate

[eager heath]

i got one

[hallow mountain]

2.1 for class 3 (asd)
1.3 for class 4 (ss and blitz)
0.9 for class 5 (fs and ir)

[naive otter]

@topaz thicket for you ^.^ and thank you I knew I was getting something wrong I just wasn't sure what it was

[hallow mountain]

brood watcher is a class 6, I wonder how much % they're going to get

[naive otter]

My guess is it could be similar to ir and fs. But I'm excited either way

[eager heath]

first column is "real" %, second is me rounding it and hoping its the same as last which is ingame %

[hallow mountain]

maybe 0.7

[hallow mountain]

Wow

[eager heath]

i noted all % from game and then guessed numbers that will fit from 0 to 100% when rounded up XD

[hallow mountain]

I don't get why we can't have normal numbers without 0.97094 decimals

[eager heath]

explains all the wonky parts where ASD doesnt get 4th mut point at 25% xd

because youre not 25% but 24.996% LMAO

[hallow mountain]

ye it's JUST for asd, every time that it completes a 25% cycle there's that 0.000002% missing

[hallow mountain]

Just give me my point mannn

[eager heath]

yuh, but theres same thing happening at 50% and 100% for FS (well used to be 100% for FS)

[naive otter]

Could I use this to create an easier photo for people who have hard time reading small text?

Thank chu

[hallow mountain]

If you click on "open from browser" you get the original pic

super useful

[eager heath]

i just took in from my sheet, took bunch of screenshots and made it into one
i use the sheet myself so this just to give people finished product, do whatever with it XD

[naive otter]

Yee mobile rn. My pc takes forever to load

I just know a few people who even who use that. Still have an issue seeing it.

[eager heath]

you can zoom in quite well in the browser but i totally see oyur point, so yea, do whatever with it xd

[naive otter]

I'll send you the idea I have in mind

[brisk haven]

long time away from when this was posted lol but this also creates a LOT of error, as we saw with the people who did do a data report sheet, there were reds getting picked by ss at night because people weren't actually checking, or they were counting evening, dusk, dawn, morning as night/day times differently to everyone else.

[rapid radish]

No matter what you do, there's always the possibility to error when dealing with humans 🙂 "To err is human" 😁 But what I have seen, you guys have now the pics if every colour etc. 🙂

The errors you mentioned are easily rectified by giving info and asking simple questions with one word answers ^^

[eager heath]

i know for sure my group made that error on my sheet and so did i
we had no clue the inventory time thing is now fixed (always used to say morning) XD

[naive otter]

I know I made this mistake once or twice in the beginning too.
Most importantly was those day time ones were the hardest to figure out

[oak goblet]

anyone seen what night crystal colour BW is? im curious as i havent seen one spawn yet

[austere ravine]

From what I've seen people say. It's the white one at night for the BW since it has no element

[oak goblet]

that makes sense ye

[naive oxide]

isn’t white extremely rare?

[heavy ridge]

Thinking back at the spreadsheet I had going when we were first tracking things down, I don't think there was significantly less confirmed white pops, accounting for no one being able to pop them at night. I definitely had more confirmed blue and green pops overall, and significantly less confirmed reds and yellows during the day (which can be generally explained by there being less high elders at the time ||and the growth patterns of Shrimp's Blitz group||). But I havnt been actively lurking in eldering chats in game in the amounts that I'd be able to confirm any actual discrepancy about whites for myself.

Early on we were teasing the idea of white, cyan, and yellow being more rare then the others, to various degrees. But notably, those are all ones that can't be popped at night.

[naive oxide]

ahh

i’ve only seen 2 whites, but that was mainly due to the fact that 1) it was kind of hard to tell during the day if one was white and 2) there was hardly even a hum before this new update

[oak goblet]

Cyan would make sense if you look at the icon for bws "element"

[heavy ridge]

Oh! Fun fact, last devstream Jao confirmed that cyan is frost and yellow is venom at night
🎊
It's official

[oak goblet]

starting to wonder if bw has no night crystal honestly. Not seen a single on at night since launch

[heavy ridge]

Scarlet pinged me this morning with this ❤️ so we do have confirmation

[wicked ginkgo]

As someone who has hundreds of hours of active crystal hunt and 17 elder dergs since september, I can confirm that whites are definitely rare by day and by night. Other colors are more or less random spawns.

[oak goblet]

eldering bw already takes a long time, so i doo feel like it should either get a different colour or they make white more common

[naive oxide]

agreed, makes no sense that bw gets literally the rarest crystal

[oak goblet]

well, i caaan kinda see a sense in it thinking about it. Its a WILDLY powerfull dragon. So in that way it kinda makes sense? would still be nice to be able to not use a month to elder tho haha

[heavy ridge]

White has nothing to do with BW balance (BW fly speed definitely does) all unique element dragons are planned to have white at night. We currently have more planned Drakes then elements, so one or more of those class 3-4 Drakes is also going to be on white. More likely white is rare for what it does during the day and just isn't increased at night so the code doesn't have to bloat with day/night conditionals for crystal spawn rates

[naive otter]

i think i figured out that it might take 100 crystals to elder brood.. considering each % im getting rn is 1.1% each rn.. this is a guess atm based on my current elder % gain from crystals Q.Q

[heavy ridge]

That's surprising, FS and IR are 111 ticks, 0.9% ea

You're not on double growth are you?

[naive otter]

it is double

so that might be why

what is the original on normal? assuming its 0.9 on brood as well

[heavy ridge]

Brood is DC6 to FS DC5, if you're getting 1.1% on double, it'll likely be 0.55%ish on standard

~182 ticks. will need someone to count and confirm

[naive otter]

am curious now 👀

[heavy ridge]

Actually, we have enough data points, Jao confirmed the calculation for number of ticks was dependant on growth times, anyone have the actual clocked out growth times for SS, FS, and ASD, not the rough approximates we hand out to new people?

Absolutely we can figure out how this is calculated

[eager heath]

every 30 seconds you get a little more than half a growth tick on ASD, doesnt work on SS or FS tho - scales up way too much

calculated based on approximate % every 30 seconds in first 10 minutes of growth on hatchi and juvi

ASD, SS, FS/IR

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b8HPBQSHFYz-4N4ewtm7M1gwdhVyderRO4RyQEo-mTU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

current work for Elder ticks, BS is not finished and nor is Brood
assume growth is not based on class but mass (as BS ticks are inconsistent with SS, coupled with people claiming BS feels faster to grow)

[naive oxide]

A normal growth tick on brood gave me .6

[heavy ridge]

Ye ❤️ the game menu will round up to the tenths place, but the actual value may go out to the thousandths. If it was flat 0.6% then on 2x it would be 1.2%, but it's 1.1% on 2x, so it has to be somewhere closer to 0.55

[naive oxide]

oo

[heavy ridge]

Seeing as youve got the masses blank and ive got the game menu up,

• BW 900Kg
• FS 592Kg
• IR 592Kg
• SS 286Kg
• BS 246Kg
• ASD 160Kg
• Bio 72Kg

[eager heath]

Yeah, I was always unable to open spawn menu for one or other reason
Saying I'll do it next time but I got bad memory XD

Thank uu

[heavy ridge]

No worries XD ive been doing the same thing, ment to mark them down from the day masses were teased on the Test server, never did

Some of those Kgs are mighty specific, if I find out it comes from something like Jao's horse is 1305lbs and the actual in game weight of an FS is 591.94 Kgs and it throws off my math I'm gonna yell.

But on the fun side, Bio weighs 10 Kg more then the world human average 💕

[eager heath]

thats crazy tho
Bio being human weight
it just looks so cute and squishy

[cosmic river]

bio weighing more than me is wild

[naive oxide]

bio is almost double my weight

[hallow mountain]

same here

[heavy ridge]

Ive got another infographic now that Jao's confirmed the last few elements officially

[eager heath]

btw i am looking to finish this sheet (BS and BW)
feel free to DM or @ me with % i am missing <3
(preferably with screenshot but im cool without it too)

[sour sonnet]

has anyone thought of the theory that maybe, just maybe the crystals cycle every night

as in acid crystals one night all night than plasma the next?

[cosmic river]

i wish

even then the damn greens are hard to get to anyway
wouldnt help much to get a full night of em if you cant even climb to it

[latent meadow]

I'd hate to consider standing at every geode every night just to say "xyz turns this colour this % of times" to consider whether or not the raised crystals have a lower chance to turn green at night...

I've not even considered eldering my ASD because of the placement of the things. You just can't reach them. Having a green up on a cliffside at night is just torturous...

[heavy ridge]

They don't. Jao's confirmed they aren't weighted by location and he isnt going to code them to be. Doesnt want to bandaid a code that's made with the full roster of dragons in mind and risk bugging things out horribly.

[latent meadow]

Well that's good, I think.

[heavy ridge]

Echo said he moved some around to be easier for ASDs to reach with 1.2, i havnt gone around to check myself.

[latent meadow]

I think I've seen two of such crystals since the update, but most of what I've seen have been up in high places or on drop ledges you have to quest around the terrain to reach. My heart goes out to ASDs attempting to elder.

[heavy ridge]

Did confirm tho that when they add the aquatic dragons, they're adding underwater crystals, so that at least will make ASD eldering a bit less of a pain. Long way out. But eventually.

[latent meadow]

That's right, ASDs can swim.

[naive otter]

I've seen cyan's at night at the same time people also found reds during the same night, etc

[kind wedge]

how do i find these crystals, some of my friends said they will show up on my compass but since over 10h nothing poped up

[heavy ridge]

So long as you're an adult and a usable crystal is in range, it'll show up on your compass. A crystal will only show an indicator when it's ready to be popped, if you dont have your compass set to "static" so its always on screen, I suggest you do so.

But otherwise, there's a map of crystal locations here: #1286563504114892810 message

[heavy ridge]

Last time i caught a crystal i sensed bacon from BR, so the range is at least a solid 8km

[kind wedge]

still no luck

[heavy ridge]

They're not active all the time. You'll have to wait until the one out of seven colors that works for your dragon is active.

[silent carbon]

Once you grow all your dragons to adult, try and rotate through them all and do a 360 with your mouse to check. This works at night due to the crystals being bile aligned. The day is a little more difficult. If you’re just starting, greens tend to not be as prominent and they are highly contested due to most of the population being in the 0-15% range.

[kind wedge]

i just have never even found one to begin with. I have tried for over 12h on different dragons on empty servers just to see if i even know how they are displayed on the compass yet nothing. Its like they dont spawn for me xd

[heavy ridge]

[verbal drum]

Dod really got us screaming at rocked

[heavy ridge]

We've gotten someone to head out there with a stopwatch, IR/FS have about a 2min growth difference, SS/BS is just under 9min https://discord.com/channels/576933363672285186/1378488357893439619

[eager heath]

nice! i did say its calculated based on approximate % every 30 sec so it was bound to be wrong xd

[heavy ridge]

thats why i pinged you to let you know, so you could have the measures to work off of, instead of the approximations

[hazy dew]

Hiya! I did a whole sheet for the current elder system, focusing on the more important information; (was a guide for my own site, figured I can share it here too)

Enjoy and good eldering all~ ❤️

[sour verge]

Love this, u did a excellent job on the layout that is very easy to understand plus the colors are not too harsh.

[hazy dew]

Thank you~

[tranquil cobalt]

This is wonderful, Would you mind if I shared in in a video? (full credit obviously)

[hazy dew]

Thanks and sure, I don't mind, it is here to share. ^^
Thanks for asking first btw~

[hazy dew]

Had to fix a lil translation error at the % section, remplacing the 'à' to 'to', my bad. ;^^ This one should be all good. <3

[silent carbon]

Sorry just reading through it and wanted to bring up "at day" is supposed to be "during the day". Why is this the rule? English XD thats the only reason lolol

[heavy ridge]

XD its english, rules are fake, everything is permitted
During day/night is for general
At day/night is for specific
I think both work in this case tbh

[silent carbon]

I pormise you will never hear anyone say those interchangably

I even looked it up to be sure cause it sounded weird when I read it

"Lets go hiking at day..." nope

"Lets go hiking at night" works

[heavy ridge]

Oh, youll sound like a nut if you swap out "make cookies during the day" for "make cookies at day", absolutely
But "change the tower lights at day" does work

[silent carbon]

at dawn

not at day

you use at for specifics. day is not a specific time

dawn, noon, dusk

[heavy ridge]

Day is the generalized umbrella term, and not typically used as a specific, but i think in this case its fine to. Because we're specifying day vs night

[silent carbon]

People will understand the point being made of course buttttt I'd still correct it!

[hazy dew]

Awh, I blame it on the fact that I wanted it to take the less space as possible xD but if it is confusing, I can change it? English stays not my main language, there is language "rules" I don't know yet. ;^^

[hazy dew]

Changed it~ (even fixed another translation error, sorry about me forgetting things xD)

Hope it sounds better now, thanks for pointing it out! <3

[iron bay]

They need to take out cyan and yellows at nighttime

They are useless and keep the crystals from actually having useful colors

[maiden island]

i don't really agree, just cause their not useful to you don't mean their not useful to others

OH wait night time, i misread

[silent carbon]

The reason they are remaining in the game is because the crystal eldering system is complete and all they need to do is incorporate new dragons into the system rather than update the system AND add a new dragon. The risk you run with trying to update the crystal system is that whenever you make a change to a "program" there is a risk for it not running correctly afterwards. Adding a dragon to an already working system is a lot less risky.

[iron bay]

Was about to ask how they were useful 😭

[maiden island]

am eepy, i apologize

[latent meadow]

Pointlessly adding to this for the funny because I wish I was here for it as it was happening...

The common phrase being "during the day" is more common, "during the night" is also good albeit a bit fancy, "at night" is totally normal, "at day" is just what are you doin. lol Oddly enough, "in the night" is another fancy okay, but "in the day" is another, slightly less okay fancy... I hate all this as much as the rest of you do. lol

[hallow mountain]

My non native brain:

[wispy gale]

yoooo this is amazing, but do you think you can post a version of it of each section separately? its hard to read with everything being bolded

[hazy dew]

The font style may be in cause, I will see what I can do.
Is it also hard to read when zoomed in with browser view?

[hazy dew]

Changed the font and colors at the big texts areas, hopefully it is now easier on the eyes.

[wispy gale]

oh yea this is much better tyy! <3

[iron bay]

could we make it so oh yk our asds could get to all the crystals

cuz that would be amazing

[latent meadow]

It's honestly not even worth it to attempt the active method for eldering ASD. A crystal could be glowing on the compass, but until that ASD goes to look for it, potentially risking life and limb in the process, they will never know if it's reachable or if they can even get to the area... The crystals were very clearly NOT designed with drakes in mind, and it shows. I still shudder to think of what this system looks like in PvP. I can't even imagine...

[jagged stone]

thats pretty cool

[hazy dew]

❗ Thank you! I am glad you like it~

[hazy dew]

Updated my Elder sheet, giving 2 different font versions, with the new ingame time (Day: 2h10mins - Night: 50 mins)

[hallow mountain]

Your guide explains it carefully without making it confusing, thank you! 💜

[coral thistle]

These are gorgeous