New Elder System

[midnight blade]

of coursee🤍

[white path]

where r y'all testing these?

i'd like to come help (being alone is,,, sad)

[mystic adder]

my friends just activated green at day time. IR 0,9%, and both fresh adult SS. All got tick

[mystic adder]

i think everyone playing on different servers

[white path]

well

if anyone would like to join me im on flaming falls :(

[fickle wing]

(Before the tick while activating)

Mela male FS

Blue geode in the evening, got a tick

My 45% to elder male SS couldn't activate it, but did get a tick from being near it and not safelogged

[sand notch]

I dont understand the whole system, its WAY to complicated

[white path]

we're all tryna figure it out 😔

[last minnow]

finding crystals that work for you but arnt the right time of day is so painful

[white path]

finding 0 lit up crystals is worse i feel

[last minnow]

2 crystals today i found and none of which i could use

[white path]

< has been at it for 2 hours

[last minnow]

i only patrol half the map, seems to work rather well

[white path]

i only go around this section

im getting really. really unlucky

[last minnow]

been trying to see if i could get it to go off at any other time, but ever since i moved to magenta it has only ever worked at dawn, its possible it works at dusk now but i havent gotten lucky with that

and red only works at noon, not morning or any other time for me

the red switch happened at 60% (as predicted and proven before)

[heavy ridge]

Good to know, tyvm!

[heavy ridge]

Interestinggggg

[sly cedar]

That's what I was goign to do for my ASD. But lately they have all been dormant. Maybe too many people stuck around them too long. I've had more luck with the ones on the mountains and mayeb out in Elder forest for actual colors showing up. Not necessarily interactive...

[fickle wing]

Evening blue geode started activating with IR 37.3%, finished activating with FS 43.6%

[white path]

HAHA

FINALLY

RED

0.9%...

[white path]

clear weather btw

[naive otter]

Alr Big Question
Do i hop on DoD to figure out why my 98.4% ASD cant trigger anything?

[eager heath]

45% FS cannot activate blue at noon
nor can 11% FS and 12% SS few other 0-10% FS and SS tried + one Blitz
60+ SS tried too but also fail xd

was the awkward Waterfall wall crystal so might have been fail cause of that too - because all notes seem to point this should be correct color for the 45% FS

[maiden island]

Idk if that was seen so ima bump it

[white path]

what color

yellow or green?

[eager heath]

yellow for sure

[maiden island]

Yellow

The Yellow is a sickly color where green looks like someone broke open a fresh green marker lol

[river harness]

i was on IR

47% IR can use purple crystals, clear weather during day, (mind, PURPLE, not PINK/MAGENTA)

i used dark blue till 47

[white path]

i see

ok fs n bs got no response

9.1% and 4%

no response from a bio either

and no response from a 3.8% ss

[eager heath]

to my knowledge no dragon can activate yellow at night ^^

[white path]

im gonna put my head in a hole

well something has to!

surely!

[eager heath]

:')

[white path]

unless its the brood.

brood would make sense for yellow

or the singe

[eager heath]

feel this, we only ever fight yellow or cyan at night - nothing can activate them T-T

yeah its likely gonna be something for future dragons

there was an idea for colors to be bile-related
SS - Blue (plasma)
Blitz - Magenta (lightning)
FS and IR both - Red (Fire)
ASD - Acid (Green)
etc

we are missing Cyan and yellow only tho

and there much more elements (8?)

[white path]

ss triggers cyan not blue

cyan is the lighter blue

blue may be for water dragons?

[river harness]

ss can trigger cyan too

[white path]

if we get those

oh its. both?????

[river harness]

meant dark blue

it can trigger both

[white path]

me watching this break our theory:

[chilly iris]

I'm guessing Cyan at night will be for Ice dragons in the future

[white path]

perhabs

[naive otter]

@heavy ridge What color should i focus on with ASD? i've had yellow stop sometime past 80% i think. i did not do any proper testing on my ASD (so i may end up renesting her to do more testing) 😭

[white path]

ive had a bio trigger smth before

[sly cedar]

Yellow for Brood egg yoke. 🤣

[oak goblet]

wait, did the theory change from elder % playing a part?

[white path]

this one

[river harness]

elder % plays a part 100%

[white path]

white

responded to bio

[white path]

still does

[river harness]

white responds to everything AFAIK

[white path]

we're trying to figure out the conditions

no?

the blitz had no luck

just the bio

[river harness]

ive had whites respond to just about everything so far 😭

[naive otter]

Bios can HELP/AID in the geodes but what they can do has only been confirmed to call them and they can trigger a fail activation

[white path]

well you've been either lucky or white is like a wild card

[naive otter]

i have not seen any confirmations of a bio popping a crystal and someone gaining a tic from it yet

[chilly iris]

White at Night can only be triggered by Bios (that I've seen personally, but more testing at Night is always good), while during the Day, Bios can't trigger it, but other Dragons can
I changed the colour of a White at River as a Bio at Night a few days ago, and activated a White along with a few other people as my IR during the Day

If that helps!

[eager heath]

never had luck with it at night?

[bright fern]

night time, red didnt work with IR but did with FS

[eager heath]

had 5+ ss shout at cyan at night and none activated it
3+ times

[bright fern]

changed it to cyan, didnt work with IR and cblitz

[river harness]

its a day crystal i believe

[eager heath]

exactly, someone was telling me its Cyan for night too tho-

at day SS can activate all colors depending on %

[naive otter]

my passive tic tricked me

[heavy ridge]

Run me through this? You started calling the crystal with an IR, and then the IR stopped and a FS took over?

[heavy ridge]

Very much appreciated.
Can I ask which of these colors looks most like your "purple, not pink/magenta"?

[heavy ridge]

There is the main 6, plasma, lightning, fire, ice, acid, Venom.

Others like Bioluminesance are outliers and one-offs.

[fickle wing]

Yes, specifically, I started calling on my IR, then hot-swapped to my FS and was able to finish and get ticks for both

[heavy ridge]

Don't worry overmuch dork, we get user error semi-frequently, or people misidentifying colors due to bad lighting. One bad answer doesn't break the pattern when we have 20 consistent answers. It's why I'm still taking down info we already have ❤️

[fickle wing]

So my IR's body was still there when I finished activating the geode with my FS

[unreal drift]

has anyone gotten elder % from a crystal as a fresh adult blitz?

[heavy ridge]

I'll have to double check if I have final tick for ASD, I'm sitting on a few days of uncollated data, that I hope to get through tonight/early tomorrow.

[naive otter]

if its important news i need! please ping me or i will miss it btw

[eager heath]

oooh right! i was thinking of stat panel and just realised it actually has Pierce, Toxin and the third one that are not elements XD

[heavy ridge]

(It does!)

[high cloud]

leuc asd 79.2% Dawn time activated yellow

[heavy ridge]

Ty ❤️

[eager heath]

i went though this chat a bit and this is what i can see?

[heavy ridge]

Green at day, Magenta at night for fresh blitz, Blake

[heavy ridge]

Ty!

[high cloud]

is there a full list of that to look at?

[eager heath]

i dont have much of else xd
those are purely the "i activated this crystal at this %" or "i went from 19% to 43% and at 30% i swapped from cyan to blue" etc

but this is my sheet with ESTIMATES
it may or may not be accurate but i am using this with my clanmates currently <3
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OWcapAemml1e2p0cMhefJiFD46n5fFkfmRzU8wLL-R4/edit?gid=831109589#gid=831109589

[maiden island]

Blitz - 45.3% - Day/Night - Blue: I couldn't get it to pop

[high cloud]

64% Night Asd activate green

[maiden island]

by day i meant the entire day it wasn't working i'm admin on a server so i was able to flick through the times, this has worked before

[heavy ridge]

Alright, ty ❤️

[heavy ridge]

I don't have day data for you, unfortunately.

I have a few datapoints placing green, red, and yellow at % lower then yours.

Other then Green at Night, you're in uncharted waters o7 here there be dragons, best of luck for your final %s

[naive otter]

yeah I UNFORTUNATELY hit 99.0 EXACT with a passive tic, making my job harder to find said colors

[river harness]

it sort of looks closer to blue, magenta is more of a pinky-ish colour

ill see if i can get a screenshot next time i see one

note, it may be magenta or dark blue and im developing some late life colourblindness but yeah 😭

[heavy ridge]

No worries! Thank you for that.
-# they kinda really need to add color-blindness indicators for the crystals, and not just because im having trouble with them

[maiden island]

Arn't blitz meant to do blue for day after cyan? i'm only asking cause i can't get it to work as a 45.3%

[high cloud]

gutfeeling says try magenta

[maiden island]

the blitz colors for night is already magenta isn't it?

[high cloud]

idk much about blitz

im into IR/ASD recerach

so far 37% IR i only know Blue at day and Red at night works <.< (30-40% probably the range?)

[heavy ridge]

Green>cyan>blue>magenta>red>yellow

[high cloud]

day cyan/green wond pop on ir at all that i can ad too

at least on my % stage

[maiden island]

ok- i can pop magenta during day

[heavy ridge]

I've got Cyan ending before 34.7%, you might have wholesale skipped over Daytime Blues. Try for Magenta?

[heavy ridge]

Good, good!

[maiden island]

i couldn't pop blue at 45.3% so i assume i was meant to do magenta

BS - 48% - Day - Magenta : Popped! (I'm now at 50%)

[high cloud]

gutfeeling was right :D

[heavy ridge]

XD we're getting there!

[river harness]

my belief in purple is wavering

i do believe its just me............... not recognising magenta..

[maiden island]

i'm getting myself confused on magenta and purple

[river harness]

yeah 😭

[maiden island]

cause to me magenta is Purple regardless of the time of day it looks purple to me lmao

[heavy ridge]

@livid hedge going to bring the messaging over here before Mee6 slapps us for "repeating the same message"

We haven't had a Night Cyan yet, personal pet theory is the Night System is Bile-Based, and Cyan will come in with the Ice Dragons.

[river harness]

to me magenta is meant to be pink because magenta is a shade of pink

but its just not pink enough to be magenta in my head

[livid hedge]

thats interesting but also sucks cause i noticed the cyan likes to pop up more then any other color

[heavy ridge]

It's confusing, yeah, but people refur to the inactive ones as purple, so the devs say it's magenta

[pseudo verge]

Do we know how to exactly make a geode explodes after managing to interact and make it glow ? I’ve made 3 geodes glow today but none explodes and gave me the elder tick , Ty in advance for answering

[high cloud]

42.5% ss what does he need?

[heavy ridge]

Keep calling at it, it takes 9-10 calls

[heavy ridge]

Reaching the end of Daytime Blues.

But still blue.

[pseudo verge]

I c i c , that’s what I did but somehow the glowing geodes stoped glowing and changed colors the 3 times so maybe I wasn’t fast enough idk

[heavy ridge]

It can reset if you take more then ~10 seconds between calls, make sure you're still aiming at the center of the white part.

[pseudo verge]

Ok thanks for your answers I’ll try that next times !

[high cloud]

and at night?

[heavy ridge]

Also blue for SS

[high cloud]

i need so much blue <-<

[naive otter]

Bad news for Everyone
Anyone past 80% elder on ASD, i cant help find your colors now
My ASD recently died to thirst because i was not paying attention

so for all my ASD fellows out there im sorry!!

[high cloud]

A minute of silence

[high cloud]

ill take on ur legacy my asd is 74% i think

[naive otter]

[high cloud]

75% exact, but what does she need at the pont to 80?

[heavy ridge]

You should be in day yellows, night greens at 75% on asd

[maiden island]

BS - 50.3% - Day - Magenta/Purple: Popped 53.3%

i'm gonna do this every time i get a tick i'm sorry

[heavy ridge]

No, no that's good!
We we have periods where people are eldering, and get night crystals, and come back, and we've missed the precise color change %.

Additionally, the more confirmations we have, the more sure we are when someone shows up with an exception, that it's probably user error, and that makes it easier to help them ❤️

[high cloud]

i just realized asd have to be lucky on crystals... some places they cant reach and some take 10min to run too

[heavy ridge]

Yeah, you're only the third or so who's committed to making the attempt. ASD doesn't need as many ticks, but it is slow to get about to them.

[high cloud]

i mean i got my asd passive elderd to around 60% before the update was there so i just can tell u what i get from that point

only thing knowing between 60-70% green worked during night

[heavy ridge]

[high cloud]

:3

[maiden island]

BS - 53.3% - Day - Magenta/Purple : Can no longer be popped at day!

i had to pop it at Night

I'll look out for the Blues/Red/Yellow (since for the 40s i couldn't even use the blue)

[high cloud]

man i miss fandom on this hunt, u feel how much slower checking crystals get alone xD

[naive otter]

i will comit again when i have a new ASD later

[heavy ridge]

Much appreciated, that was one of the transitions I was missing!

[maiden island]

🫡

BS - 53.3% - Day - Blue : Cannot be popped

i'm noting that cause i completely skipped blue? went from Cyan to magenta/purple

so i'm trying to figure out if it pops up later for blitz

[heavy ridge]

It's been pretty consistent across the both of them.
But your last day tick was over 10% back, before you got that magenta. There was room for an entire color in there, that you got either passively/at night.

[high cloud]

i cant wait to find more colors for IR <-<

[maiden island]

i figured that's probably what actually happened but thought i'd mention it just in case

[heavy ridge]

❤️

Generally better to record then assume, yes XD

[high cloud]

i allways try to hit a screenshot of active crystals <-<

[maiden island]

now i'm confused

[high cloud]

?

[maiden island]

BS - 56% - Morning - Magenta/Purple: Popped (??)

i literally just couldn't pop one without it being night, maybe i skipped the morning without realizing it

[high cloud]

maybe night: no, day: yes?

[maiden island]

thats how i felt learning this

cause i couldn't get it to pop....turned it night then popped it- found ANOTHER one and it popped in the morning

[high cloud]

maybe it switched right in bewtween of getting the last one?

[maiden island]

all i can figure is while checking the times for it to work i skipped morning by accident

it is weird the it only worked in morning tho not noon/evening

[high cloud]

only one way to find out.... find a nother one xD

[heavy ridge]

Hmmmmmmmm.
I'll mark that down, see if we can't see a little more consistency, if there's weirdness.

[maiden island]

that's what i'm looking for XXD

[heavy ridge]

Going to start collating my backlog of data, ping me if you need my attention ❤️

[high cloud]

at least i think thats active

[maiden island]

that's Cyan

[naive otter]

Cyan

[high cloud]

cyan?

[naive otter]

not blue, Blue is darker than that

[maiden island]

Yes

[high cloud]

if thats cyan i know how to test the theory

[maiden island]

We night & day photo of each color XD

[muted moat]

Yes the one colour we can’t seem to figure out lol

[naive otter]

Send me photos of Day and Night photos please and i'll work on it!

right now i only have variants of day/night on an inactive one

[maiden island]

I'll grab them when i come across them lol

[naive otter]

sweet! spam my DM's with them for me and i'll make a graph showing the difference of them between day/night

[maiden island]

👍

[high cloud]

ok... i rephrase my info then Cyan at night dose not work on ss 42.5% and FS 31.8%

[naive otter]

if you want, you can also send me better photos of the inactive crystal during the night that way i have a better photo of it that'd be awesome @maiden island

[high cloud]

My bad <-<

[naive otter]

its okay! Cyan can be confused for blue just like how Magenta is confused to look purple!

similar matters, different situations

[high cloud]

cant i just eat the rock instead xD?

[naive otter]

i wish but sadly no xD

you can pretend to eat it tho :3 use your imagination

[high cloud]

im seeking cherry rocks then <.<

[naive otter]

i think cyan at night works with IR at some point during their elder stage, i just dont remember the % needed

HOWEVER i could be wrong about this too, so be warned while testing!

[high cloud]

on that info i just tested it on that crystal, knowing i got cyan work on fs before

[naive otter]

you might have surpassed the % of what your FS should focus on next

[high cloud]

if u say my fs needs blue now imma flip xD

[naive otter]

@heavy ridge would know what your FS could need next. im personally unsure of what is next on FS
as i was mainly focused on blitz and ASD

[high cloud]

Ir day and ss day/night need blue allready on my stage

and i havent seen a single one so far y-y

[heavy ridge]

o7 appreciated

[heavy ridge]

IR works with red at night, havnt seen any night successes otherwise ❤️

[naive otter]

noted

[heavy ridge]

I'm still paging through my data, but I'll try and poke through quickly, turn something up.

FS at 31? Kay.

I've got a FS at 38 proccing Daylight Blues

[maiden island]

BS - 58.8% - Night - Magenta/Purple : Popped

ik we know it works at night, force of habit at this rate now i'm at 61.3% surprisingly

i'm gonna assume that every 10ish ticks the color changes for day

[high cloud]

yall should get like a specail role of "Crystal Hunter" or sumthing xD

[maiden island]

i'll still try purple/magenta for day obviously just in case

[naive otter]

mathing out when one stops and when one arrives
i keep wanting to go by 2s so like 20, 40, 60, 80, 100. and i think the math is still gonna be somewhere

[maiden island]

well i stopped using blue at 50ish

[heavy ridge]

And an IR at 34% with Daylight Blues. You might indeed be in Daytime Blues on a third dragon.

Good news tho, you can park one next to a blue, go back to the spawn menu without safelogging, as so long as you're back and set it off within 5 minutes, you could get the tick on both of them

[naive otter]

for an absolute random example if someone was 58% and did their crystal popped and they got the tic, they would jump up to 60% and would have to move on to next color
so i hope those good at math can figure it out better than i can best of luck to you all!

[high cloud]

after that logic something should change on my IR soon then

[naive otter]

this is a total guess, and could entirely be wrong so dont quote me at all until proven otherwise mk?

[high cloud]

i wont but i wish it be true so i can get of my Blue/red trip xD

[naive otter]

keep testing, gotta figure out that exact % one stops and when one works

[heavy ridge]

Deviding by 6 colors, would be 15 (BS/SS cutoff at 16), 30 (current cutoff marked at 34), 45 (currently 51), 60 (60), 75 (we don't have enough beyond this point to be sure)

[naive otter]

that... honestly sounds more accurate than what i was thinking off the top of my head

i need to test this with my new ASD in the future if no one beats me to it

[high cloud]

ill keep testin till that IR of mine is elder xD

[heavy ridge]

o7

[sly cedar]

Yes. I did on my first ever grown Fresh E BL Blitz a few days ago. I had the first passive tick I believe and then I activated a crystal.

[fierce violet]

Did we ever find out the previous method of eldering?

[high cloud]

previous? u mean legacy?, or just before the 1.1 update, cause that was only elder ticks

37% IR still works on Red, NIght

idk there % but night (Edit: 50.7%)

[maiden island]

FS - 16% - Dusk - Cyan: Can be Popped!

~not me cycling crystal colors for pictures and hopes i get the right colors i need lol~

[heavy ridge]

So!
Getting the FS and IR data onto my sheet, and I am seeing the same progression now that I'm weeding out the nulls, ty Parrot for mentioning Jao's bugswatting the power geode hitboxes

And get this. I'm starting to see the same % cutoffs.

Check this one. 42.7% FS on Evening Blue, 45% SS failed but got tick shared.

right on 45% (15, 30, 45, and right on 60) looks like it's shaping up to be a nice, clean, mathematical answer after all.

[maiden island]

SS - 35% - Dusk - Blue: Can be Popped

[heavy ridge]

Another 16% transition.

here we go
Infographic here I come!!

[maiden island]

BS - 61% - Day - Magenta/Purple: Can't be popped! ( i double checked the times that time)

but i popped it at night which makes sense

[heavy ridge]

❤️ another cleanly close to the transition number ty!

[high cloud]

running now to a yellow as asd for sience

[heavy ridge]

Woop!

[maiden island]

i did a typo on this one, it was BLUE not Cyan i apologize i'm glad i noticed that

[heavy ridge]

Okay, I need someone to do a case test for me.

I need someone to attempt to share a tick between a BS and a FS/IR at night.

Or, well, I need someone to keep an eye out for that happening for me.

(I will also, keep an eye out)

[high cloud]

75% Asd Yellow at night indeed dosent work

[heavy ridge]

Perfect, ty

[maiden island]

if my friends log back in i'll test this

[heavy ridge]

Alright. I think I'm calling it. I'm confident enough to start making sweeping generalizations.

I'm going to go and make an infographic.

[heavy ridge]

Ty, very much. We've got the general system down, and now its time to hammer out the edge cases.

[high cloud]

Bio at night also cant call a Yellow crystal, at least a full grown 100% one

Unsure if the Thunderstorm/Rain is a factor in this as well?

[eager heath]

That perfectly fits with why my friend couldn't pop blue at day!
I was so sure the cut was at 50 so I send her there and we thought it might be hitbox issue (waterfall wall crystal)

[naive otter]

Ya know.. i keep forgetting about my alt.... whom i use for males for breeding...

i alwayys forget my alt 🤣

[sly cedar]

Blitz. Time Night. Elder 8.0%. Crystal Yellow. No reaction.

[high cloud]

he elderd yesterday his asd

[naive otter]

so i can confirm the yellow at dusk btw. i just never got another yellow at dusk then

@high cloud thank you for that confirmaiton, it will be super helpful for @heavy ridge

[high cloud]

:D

[naive otter]

i've got a 28.1% ASD on my alt. imma go try to find a blue since that looks to be the one i may need. i think! time to find out

nvm passive tic just made that 32.3%

[high cloud]

y-y found a red as IR and just turned Dawn

it dosent wooooork

[maiden island]

BS - 64% - Morning - Red : Popped!

[high cloud]

SS: 68.8% Red Dawn popped

[sly cedar]

Can't tell which blue this is. Morning. Blitz. 8.0% Elder. no reaction.

[high cloud]

cyan

i made the misstake onec.... i keep it in mind xD

[unreal drift]

oh yeah right i got my first tick from that green crystal so that was the first time it worked for me

[heavy ridge]

I'm calling it, we have this figured out. Well done, everyone!

[maiden island]

scarlett is making a new thingy

[high cloud]

profile Nightmare form undertale?

[naive otter]

this looks beautiful!

[sly cedar]

then this one is.. regular blue? These were both at BR. no raciton from this one either on my Bz

[maiden island]

whtie could be the glow like the bio?

cause Bio can glow white at night someone mentioned

[high cloud]

ye this looks blue? its darker i think

[heavy ridge]

Yeah, Bio can pop white. But I'm thinking, like how white was a catch all during the day, it's going to be a catch all at night as well.

Mark me now, Brood Watcher's Night Crystal is going to be white.

[sly cedar]

but then who got yellow?

[high cloud]

so Night basecly works on the own element and day has a % cicle?

[heavy ridge]

Yup!

We've got night crystals being consistent across every % range.

[high cloud]

so if thats true my Ir should switch on 45% to magenta

Challange exepted

[heavy ridge]

XD dew it

[high cloud]

38.2% gonna take a little

[naive otter]

if that is true i have a 32.3% ASD i found on my alt i can do blues!

[heavy ridge]

Woop! Go forth and prosper!

[high cloud]

Go forth dragon famaly of Crystal Science, let us confirm our work :D

[naive otter]

this is blue

[unreal drift]

indeed it is

[high cloud]

:3

[maiden island]

i'd liek to note for IR & FS make sure your like... Right up on the crystals

[high cloud]

kiss the crystal u say??

My question is, do we teach all other players this knowledge or just let it get pinned so they can look it up themselfs, the thought of explaining every one who askes how it works very tiering

[heavy ridge]

So, it's technically spoilers. So, feel free to throw the infographic at people who ask, someone will probably put together a guide soon.

Scarletts making a day/night crystal infographic.

It'll disseminate on its own now.

[high cloud]

i mean... i worked for the spoilers xD

but yee i get what ya saying

[heavy ridge]

XD teach anyone youd like XD, your clan, your friends, your servermates, go forth, and herald the good news!

[wide canopy]

Ping me when this is better unstood lol unless its 100% finished

[high cloud]

my friends are eating themselfs <.<

[wide canopy]

Missing 2 elements >.>

[heavy ridge]

The only thing we're missing is tick sharing, and the two elements not yet in game

[wide canopy]

Wt are they xd

[heavy ridge]

Ice and venom,

[wide canopy]

Fun

[heavy ridge]

So probably cyan and yellow, respectively, but I'm not going to assume

[high cloud]

i guess Bio is Light of some sort to get yellow/white active then?

[wide canopy]

Ima draw that a bit better for my brain ty

Also bugging this

Green activated for my 24% asd

At the very start

-# wheeze

[high cloud]

was it night?

[wide canopy]

Day

-# wheemze

[heavy ridge]

Bio is locked to 100%, and a non-standard element. Jao's planning (funding and time permitting) a dragon of each body type for each of the main six elements

[high cloud]

Shiny dragon then xD

[heavy ridge]

BW is bileless, there's a few non-standard element dragons planned.

[high cloud]

dont make fun of our hard work here <.<

[wide canopy]

Im js saying i think were still a bit lost

[high cloud]

maybe yellow is "physical"?

[heavy ridge]

It's probably going to be venom.

[high cloud]

or white "element less"?

[heavy ridge]

We don't currently have a Night activating dragon for cyan or yellow yet.

[wide canopy]

-# yay
Ping me if we find one

[heavy ridge]

What I'm thinking, yeah, whites a catch all during the day, makes sense if it's also a catch all at night.

[high cloud]

ye

[heavy ridge]

o7 I'll try and remember

[maiden island]

BS - 66.7% - Morning - Red : Popped!

now i'm at 69..... nice lmao

[high cloud]

blues are shy <.<

[maiden island]

i'm just color cycling them and hopes i get lucky

[high cloud]

i said nuffin <-<

on 39% IR i noticed ur bite/eat hitbox is still of that standart size adult <-<

[oak goblet]

whats the day/night colours for blitz after 10% again? i forgot

[high cloud]

day green night purple if infos are correct

[oak goblet]

oh, i thought it changed after 10% hehe. Is it later?

[heavy ridge]

15%

[high cloud]

till 15% then day switches to cyan

[heavy ridge]

#1209681807746801724 message

[oak goblet]

aaah ok, thank yoU!

im finally getting somewhere tho so huzzah \o/

[heavy ridge]

Woop!
If you share ticks with anyone, please do swing back through and let us know!

[oak goblet]

im currently completely alone on the server i play, but ill keep that in mind for tomorrow!

[high cloud]

u know what im still questioning? White crystals work at days but when?

[heavy ridge]

White works for everyone dawn-dusk, and then bios alone at night.

It's all over the place, % wise

[high cloud]

so white is a free multicolor crystal

[uneven mason]

Red Crystal on a 90% IR at night worked! Got a pop, I believe it was clear weather but started raining while I was doing it

[heavy ridge]

Looks like, yup!

[high cloud]

thats why i never seen a white one yet they rare jokers xD

[heavy ridge]

I see you typing. I know I don't have shared ticks on that

[jagged stone]

🧠

[heavy ridge]

Aww, ty!

[uneven mason]

https://tenor.com/view/applause-applaud-clap-clapping-happy-gif-2384220075746414218

[high cloud]

:D u got blessed by da Rhino

[heavy ridge]

I'm adding that to my nickname

[maiden island]

[oak goblet]

wait, so... its not a dragon by dragon thing? i dont understand .-.

[high cloud]

Night: Dragon element
Day: Ur current % matter on what color reacts

[oak goblet]

in my defence its 2:31am here lol

OH! neat

thats alot less complicated then i thought it was hehe

[high cloud]

so Blitz is purple, Asd is green and so on at night

[heavy ridge]

It took a lot of people, gathering a lot of information, well done everyone!

[high cloud]

:D

[oak goblet]

thats awesome, well done everyone :>

[uneven mason]

Trial and error is much nicer LOL

Well done!

[high cloud]

this whole riddle only took 30h+ playing in 2 days of my life xD

[oak goblet]

could we get the diagram thing HungryGremlin made pinned pls? :>

[oak goblet]

dis

[wide canopy]

Rq whats cyan and yellow for ele

[heavy ridge]

Ice, Venom, most likely

[high cloud]

probably ice and venom

[wide canopy]

Kk

Ty

[oak goblet]

guessing cyan is the frost wyvern and yellow is the brood watcher

[wide canopy]

Nearly done..

[high cloud]

:D

[oak goblet]

Thank you Rhino! ^^

[heavy ridge]

XD I'm sticking that in my private scrapbook channel

[wide canopy]

Lol

[naive otter]

<@&577129575423672322> can we get a pin for this beautiful art piece? thankies!

nvm!

im late to the party

[high cloud]

we allready have xD

[heavy ridge]

XD ❤️

[naive otter]

in quote ME late. i was tabbed in game trynna get a new spawn blitz (ended up spawning with 6E!)

[heavy ridge]

Oooh, nice!

[oak goblet]

next mission: figure out how to get to new skin O.O

[wide canopy]

Lol

[oak goblet]

[heavy ridge]

XD I'll be taking a day off after this

[high cloud]

Step one: Wait for update

[naive otter]

yee. my old blitz that was 24% elder got a little too related so had to reset

[naive otter]

love the name btw! it fits for all the hard work you did!

[oak goblet]

it looks like its in this update :> atleast thats what it says in the patch notes on steam ^^

[high cloud]

wait wuttt

[naive otter]

i've already shared this with my clan btw!

[heavy ridge]

XD 💕

[oak goblet]

check undder the "game" section in the patch notes

[high cloud]

this was worth staying up 20h non stop playing the game yesterday xD

[heavy ridge]

I'm eagerly anticipating that day/night color giide you're image hunting for, I'll be sharing it with mine.

[heavy ridge]

XD I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[high cloud]

i got to invested into this xD

[heavy ridge]

saaaame XD

[wide canopy]

Im stuck what should the venom icon be LOL

[heavy ridge]

Id say teeth, or maybe a more droplet shaped thing?
Think they said the Venom Drake would have an injecting tail as well.

Depends on how abstract you're getting with the others.

[wide canopy]

Errr k one second ill do teeth

[heavy ridge]

I don't think Shrimp's awake, but somebody needs to tell him!

[heavy ridge]

@ionic trench We did it! Thank you so much for all the eldering you did, couldn't have gotten the pattern half as quickly without you 💖

[maiden island]

honestly i love this way more then the shrooms

[ionic trench]

(dramatic bow)

[heavy ridge]

So very many people came by and helped out, dedicated hours, spreadsheets, even just dropped in with a prime nugget or two, well done, and thanks to each and every one of you!

[heavy ridge]

Gods, this was wonderful.

[wide canopy]

Igh ill dm u in gremlin not gonna post it here til i KNOW the 2 elements are confirmed

[maiden island]

scarlet if possible can we still get the updated photos for the crystals at day/night

idk if you weren't gonna bother since it was figured out, figured i'd ask

[naive otter]

As yes! i been working on at while also distracted by game (making sure new blitz doesnt die as i work on the graph)

[maiden island]

alr ty & also fair enough

[gaunt stream]

Good work, y'all!

[high cloud]

i didnt work... i just had fun shareing :D

[oak goblet]

i must say, im positively surpriced how it works. I was worried it would be an entirely new set of different colour for elder % for night AND day heh

[storm mortar]

anyone know where a green one is

[heavy ridge]

💕 a good few people were
Personally I'm pretty happy that there's a simple version for those who don't want to bother with the complicated day stuff, and a day system that's a little more in depth.

[uneven mason]

theyre random, any could become any color, as far as I know

[tardy perch]

Thank you guys for your hard work! I like this new eldering sytem much more than mushrooms!

[gaunt stream]

I love how much this system brought the community together

[high cloud]

[gaunt stream]

You know you've done good when Jao pins something

[muted moat]

Omg we finally did it? 😭

[high cloud]

Seems so ye :D

[heavy ridge]

🎊 We Did It!! ✨

[muted moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-10567033442484308038

[tardy perch]

I guess Ice element is probably gonna be Cyan night geodes and Venom will be yellow night geodes?

[muted moat]

Possibly

It would make sense

[tardy perch]

And White is just anywhere anytime any percentage?

[heavy ridge]

That's what I'm thinking. Since white is a catch all in the day, and bio can activate nighttime whites, I'm betting the dragons with non-standard elements will have white as their night crystal.

So Brood Watcher, for one.

Which leaves the last of the main six to the, well, last two of the six crystals.

[heavy ridge]

During the day.

At night it's currently just bio.

[tardy perch]

I see.

Maybe White is the elementless/weird elements then

We'll find out when Brood drops I suppose lol

[heavy ridge]

XD Brood will confirm or break it, and then come Frostfell and the behemoths, we'll know if cyan is ice or not.

[high cloud]

pls be confirmetive BW xD

[heavy ridge]

XD ❤️

[high cloud]

i know we solved this now but i had an "Ahh this is why moment" xD

the time a bunch of the same dragon kind getting a tick form a crystal was at night probably

[worldly sail]

ima be real i see the pinned image but im lost a bit so after a certain % you mihgt need someone from an element that you dont own to get ticks?

[heavy ridge]

During the Night, you have one color of crystal that works, and it's determined by the element of your dragon

Don't worry, you're not stupid! That image is ment more as a reference guide after eldering has been explained.

During the day the color of crystal that works, is determined by your % of elder growth.

[worldly sail]

ah i see

yeah that does make it make sense now wow

[high cloud]

"Day" is from Dawn-Dusk btw

[worldly sail]

wich means you cant guide yourself if its day or night using night vision right?

[heavy ridge]

No, I don't think so.

But in the "I" menu, there's a game clock.

[high cloud]

gotta be close to the crystal and find out without NV to see its color

[heavy ridge]

If it says anything that isn't night, it's day-cycle.

[worldly sail]

i mean that nv seems to go from dusk to dawn

[heavy ridge]

Yeah, you'd have to use the clock in the menu.

[worldly sail]

as cool as it is that it is figured out now i am still going to be eaten up by curiosity of what the old one was ngl xd

[heavy ridge]

Or I don't know if the auroras only show up at night, anyone able to confirm?

[high cloud]

ill keep an eye on that

[heavy ridge]

Because if that's true, I have a shock for Mia. It wasnt weather, but man if she was right for the wrong reasons!

[heavy ridge]

XD Jao said he might end up reusing it, so he wasn't going to explain it outright, but it had a lot of waiting for passive ticks.

[high cloud]

i mena dusk was just now with a heavy storm but an ss got a cyan crystal to work

[naive otter]

@maiden island Its Complete! Day and Night Versions of what Geodes look like!
Key Items to Remember for anyone using this to hunt Crystals!

• Left is what crystals look like in the Day time.
• Right is what they look like in the Night time.

If i could get this pinned instead of the old one i posted in the past would be awesome!

[maiden island]

Huzah!

[naive otter]

Hopefully this helps with confusion! feel free to use it!

[high cloud]

YOINK

[naive otter]

It'll make me happy to see it put to use! Enjoy!!

[high cloud]

my potato eyes need it xD

[naive otter]

looks helpful so far for those who cant see well at night??

[high cloud]

Cyan and Blue at night is sometimes haaaaard

depending on the aurora even blue/purple can be tricky

[heavy ridge]

Absolutely Yoinked

[high cloud]

i still seen no white one in 30+hours thoooo

[heavy ridge]

They're rare little stinkers

[naive otter]

glad you're also happy with it! make sure you say thanks to Sparrow for the photos!

[high cloud]

there perfect test

is that cyan or blue xD

[naive otter]

oh wait you can tell now 🤣 im glad you're happy with it!

[heavy ridge]

XD tyvm @maiden island

[naive otter]

(Corrected Pronouns) She gave me the photos, and i compiled them together for easy view! so im glad to see my skills put to use!

[high cloud]

bet its cyan tho

but i had to look at ur sheet xD

[naive otter]

Hopefully i can get this pinned as soon as a mod can

[maiden island]

np LOL

[compact berry]

Ill unpin the older version later, mobile thinks pins dont exist

[high cloud]

allrighty

and thy :3

[naive otter]

Thank you hive

[gaunt stream]

Thank you Scarlett and Gremlin, yoinking both respectfully for my people

[high cloud]

dawn and i see auroras still

they just a bit lighter tbh

[heavy ridge]

Much appreciated o7

[high cloud]

at least till the sun is up then they gone

[velvet spire]

I’m gonna give this a try right now

[high cloud]

so far its proven correct

tho unsure about 85% yellow start i thought its 80%?

[velvet spire]

We are still good with 34 crystals or have y’all found more?

[heavy ridge]

Afaik, it's still 34

[bright fern]

I got 35

[naive otter]

on the map, i counted at least 35. i did i miss count? i double checked, even triple checked

[heavy ridge]

I've got Fandom stating 80%, from a secondhand SS, and looking for it, I've got one from you claiming a witness to a dawn yellow at 79, which, squinting at it, miggggght be a white? More willing to trust your eyes over that.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and we'll release a v2. But otherwise the numbers have been solid so far.

[maiden island]

ya'll 100% blitz is HUGE

[heavy ridge]

-# I really havnt gone hunting, if it's 35, it's 35

[heavy ridge]

XD wonderful!!

[high cloud]

Faaaair enough

[maiden island]

TY for the help! and i was also happy to help! here is a 100% Blitz next to a Fresh adult IR

[high cloud]

yall have a nice time imma take a brake, i feel my booty still flatend from yestarday xD

Big boyo

[heavy ridge]

XD it has been 6 long days of paging through data, trying to sift through what's a false positive, what's a false negative, and what's actual patterns-

XD yeah, I wasn't grinding it out like you were, but my eyes hurt ❤️

[heavy ridge]

[gray ocean]

if night cycle is element, how did we get an FS to activate a blue at night? 🤔

and a blitz to activate a green at night 🤔

[high cloud]

was it night or dusk?

[gray ocean]

Night

[high cloud]

cause dusk is pretty dark sometimes ngl

[gray ocean]

we checked every time

full on middle of the night night

We'd push i every time we activated

[high cloud]

seems like a mystery on its own

[gray ocean]

We also got an SS to activate a magenta at night

[high cloud]

well good, still cant tell u why

and even if the sheet we figgured out so far is correct, so idk

[gray ocean]

Not trying to poopoo it, just thought I'd bring up my friend's and I's findings D:

[high cloud]

official server? if yes is messing with the time in 1.1 still a thing like in legacy where u could just cange ur ingame time to ur clock?

[gray ocean]

Yes, we were on official sanctuary

[high cloud]

or maybe both is fine and then its a new mystery?

if one thing helps its screenshots

[gray ocean]

and no, you can no longer change your time of day to your computer

for in game

[high cloud]

and beeing sure that the blitz activated the crystal and not the asd next to it yelling

[gray ocean]

We each had 1 dragon at a time scream at it

[high cloud]

look im not allknowing xD

we just gater infos from everywhere and try to make sence of it

[gray ocean]

Yeah I was just bringing up findings, in case it's close but not the whole thing xD

[high cloud]

gib screens, etc for more info and maybe we find a new understanding why things happen the way they do xD

[gray ocean]

We just logged it on our google doc... no screenshots.

[high cloud]

sadage, but ya know if it works find a new crystal and do it again?

[gray ocean]

I wouldn't lie :C Just trying to help

well GL ^^

[high cloud]

i knoooow

the only one allknowing how stuff works is the coder holding all the secrets <-<

[white path]

hai

question!

[high cloud]

we just play data puzzels

[high cloud]

yeh?

[white path]

when we say daytime, do we mean morning, noon or afternoon

[gray ocean]

Answer

[high cloud]

we figguerd "Daytime" its froom Dawn to dusk

had cyan crystals pop for an ss at dusk but not night

for example

[white path]

yeah

but what if its more specific than that

[high cloud]

Hungry halp xD

[heavy ridge]

Been tracking it separately, but they do follow the general trend.

[high cloud]

im not the genus here i just collect the infooooo

[mortal hollow]

Hi, if i may ask: Is there a list or so where i can see what dragon needs what color at what time?

[white path]

ok cool

[heavy ridge]

In the pins,
Night goes by dragons element, dawn-dusk goes by elder %

[white path]

list is still being worked on to my knowledge

but there is one

its a WIP

[high cloud]

@heavy ridge this gives me headache again

[mortal hollow]

ok so by night the % doesnt matter and during day the element doesnt matter?

[white path]

blue is on the lower end right?

[heavy ridge]

Right

[white path]

like you need a higher % to activate blue during the day

[high cloud]

blue is middle

[mortal hollow]

Thx that helped a lot!

[white path]

yeah makes sense

[high cloud]

blue 30-45% is acually valid cause on my Ir its still been working and im now at 40.9%

[heavy ridge]

If I've got 15+ data points saying one thing, and one data point saying another, when I know how hard the dark and the auroras make determining crystal color, I go by the data weight, rather then the outlier.
I don't think anyone has lied about their procs. But I do know getting accurate night data is hellish.

[white path]

man,,,,,,,

[high cloud]

25%... u need 30% xD

[white path]

asd is my highest % :(

[gray ocean]

:C

[white path]

no one plays on flaming falls anymore

so i don't really stay cause its

lonely

seeing br devoid of life, not a single soul on the server other than me

[heavy ridge]

Was going to say, if there's anyone who could pop that, you're high enough to get a shared tick

[high cloud]

i have a wied idea.... what if dawn-dusk counts for both? (thinking of it no cause i had found on dawn a red that my Ir refused)

[white path]

yeah but

[high cloud]

....its hard

[white path]

everyone moved to sanctuary

i get it, everyone is on there

but also it feels like

betrayal?

slowly, one by one they all moved to sanctuary

and i was left here, alone

because sanctuary has more players and better stats or smth

like, we could've done that

[high cloud]

yet maybe if a crystal spawed at dusk... but u find it at night maybe it still counts cause of the data beeing loadad at dusk?

[white path]

i don't want to lose the home i grew up in

when 1.0 dropped my clan started on flaming falls

now theres only 10 of us here

everyone else moved to sanctuary

so its hard to get higher %s, especially when it hurts to be online

[high cloud]

i been in sanct since 1.0 idm moving to flaming falls tho, if i get my dragon transferd that is

im not leaving my babas behind

[winged slate]

Is this the solution?

[white path]

my issue with sanctuary is that its more likely to be full

i wanna play but dont wanna lose my dragons

[high cloud]

thats my exact point

but anyway imma take a shower cyaaa

[white path]

flaming falls is nice cause of its smaller player count, you're always guaranteed a spot

[white path]

dont fall in

[heavy ridge]

Yeah, day cycle and night cycle eldering

[winged slate]

Dev confirm?

[heavy ridge]

Dev reacted. Didn't say yes/no. Said "🧠" and pinned it.

[white path]

you big brain

LOL

that does make me wonder

what color reacts to the elementless broodwatcher?

i mean is that what white is for?

cause it reacts to any dragon during the day right

[gray ocean]

You know now the real challenge begins right?

Trying to find all those super secret sneaky spots Jao hid the crystals XD!!!

[brisk haven]

FS on Red crystal during midday 2.3% - No reaction

IR on same red crystan at midday 0% - No reaction

[spring fog]

if following that pattern, cyan should be able to be activated by ice dragons (frostfel) and yellow activated by 'neutral' dragons (broodwatcher) during nights

can bios activate yellow at night?

[brisk haven]

no bio's cant, they can activate white at night tho

[spring fog]

interesting

[brisk haven]

but Yellow could be the venom dragons that are yet to be released

[spring fog]

white would make more sense to be the 'neutral' element type anyways

[white path]

yeah

[last minnow]

ok THIS makes more since as to why magenta stopped working after 2 crystals lol

happy to hear we solved it, ty gremlin for helping with all of us!

[cyan halo]

do we already know that cyan can be triggered by a bs?

was 17.3% and i got a tick by a cyan geode at the end

[silver helm]

for what dragon?

[compact berry]

all

[naive otter]

@cyan halo

[cyan halo]

ye ye i just saw it thx ^^

[brisk haven]

had auroras show up during dusk

[naive otter]

Auroras are just apart of the cycle, they mean nothing when it's related to the Elder, its just pretty!

[tranquil cobalt]

Well I know what my next video will be about - full credit going to you all of course.

[brisk haven]

thought so

[naive otter]

HUZZAH!

[tranquil cobalt]

You all solved it super fast

[naive otter]

took us 1 week! i call that a win!

(i think its been a week??)

[tranquil cobalt]

I think a week

[eager heath]

19-20th is when the update released so we are slightly short of a week!

[muted moat]

Someone else got one aswell?

[last minnow]

it was a ton of fun working with everyone again on the elder system

[high cloud]

It would help knowing the total of exsisting cystals tbh xD

[naive otter]

In total there's 35 confirmed #1286563504114892810 Check pins in there!

[high cloud]

well i know the confirmed ones, but are this all exsisting ones or are there still hidden onec no one knows about xD

[naive otter]

well i guess we'll find out later. but i feel like its only the 35, if im wrong i'll someday be corrected

[eager heath]

I have friends reporting that yellow has worked for them from 75% already
I can't tell if it's a user error, glitch or if that bracket is off?
Idk how common it is to be in the wrong bracket around the red-yellow border lol

[sly cedar]

Oh jeez. Seeing the crystals at night with white... they look like inactives xD. I could have been passing them and not known haha.

[white path]

precisely why i stare at them and listen closely

[cyan halo]

are you able to do a quick overview of the bs' calls when hes elder im eager to know

[heavy ridge]

Let me know which dragons? The red-yellow border was made from math consistancies, rather then hard datapoints.
I've got hard evidence that 15, 45, and 60 are the exact boarders, and that the cyan-blue border is within 30-32%.

It could very well be that the yellow-red border is 15 up from 60, rather than 15 down from 100. Which grrrrrr cant edit a photo image.

[eager heath]

it was FS ^^

[worldly blade]

i was right about the color order! yippee

[gaunt stream]

It's nice too, that chart was well illustrated

[opaque mulch]

We just got a tick on a yellow crystal with a 80% FS

[minor hinge]

time of day?

[opaque mulch]

It was morning

[minor hinge]

tyty

[opaque mulch]

np

The bio activated it but out of all the dragons we had only the FS with 80% got it

[minor hinge]

oo

[eager heath]

we have had people try to glow red, green and blue inside arch cave on the wall with (FS, 14% and 30.9%) but it never exploded, always just switched color
is it just the hitbox glitch? because the green and blue were fully in dusk while red fully at night so it shouldnt change the requirements in the middle?

[gray ocean]

You gotta keep screaming at it

non stop screaming, you'll hear the humming get louder till it implodes and boom, tick

[heavy ridge]

Oooh, shared tick!
Wonderful to have another confirmed case ❤️

[eager heath]

Hooza- i swear we know that XD
we tried, it never reacted to more screams

[bright fern]

what can i do in this situation

[muted moat]

aim at the center and hope it likes u lol

[bright fern]

i meant the area

i cannot be close enough in front to make it work

[muted moat]

is it a huge drop?

[bright fern]

i tried every angle

[eager heath]

yep its hitbox issue - we managed to explode it THIS time XD
had to aim above the white not on the white

[bright fern]

still a nope

[eager heath]

if you go down are you too far enough? i dont recognise the spot

[bright fern]

yes too far

[eager heath]

aw

[bright fern]

its in ef

[half hound]

Cords? Doesnt look liek one thts in the map

[bright fern]

147s 616w

[cosmic river]

got the same problem with a cyan at 133s 165w, managed to get it to pop but never received a tick

[eager heath]

Blue popped - no tick for 0-15 prog, tick for 30-45 who popped it
last time we tried green - 2 people with 0-15 got tick while 30-45 didnt

[velvet spire]

Was this at night or day?

[eager heath]

day

blue is with fs, green with ss

[heavy ridge]

Yeah, that follows with the pattern so far ❤️ if you're in the same or next color over to the Day Color, then you can get the tick by just standing in range.

[slender arrow]

Oh so all you have to do is be in range you don’t need to call at it ?

[heavy ridge]

Yup!
We have full confirmation you just need to be in range.

Even works if you swap dragons without safelogging and the dragon is still there (5 minute window)

[turbid comet]

blue during the day just worked for 5% BS and 27% IR

[heavy ridge]

The IR activate it?

[turbid comet]

not sure, the bs and ir both were 1 calling

although bs did NOT get a point but ir did

[heavy ridge]

Okay, tyvm!

[turbid comet]

np!

[turbid comet]

red crystal at night gave IR point

[lean pilot]

Where can I find the crystals cords list?

[upbeat igloo]

#1286563504114892810 message

[unreal drift]

can i get a list about the currently known information? maybe that one from google docs?

[heavy ridge]

There's a couple spreadsheets, mine that's still half-filled and on paper, and an infographic in pins that Jao responded to with "🧠" and pinned himself.

Didn't put shared ticks on that,
-# and probably miscounted yellow as 15 down from 100, rather then 15 up from 60
But we're pretty sure we've got it

[unreal drift]

soo these day cycles apply to all dragons not certain species?

[heavy ridge]

Yup, they all follow that pattern.

[pseudo verge]

hey , is it true bios can change crystal colors ? if yes , is it by 1 calling ? and are they only able to change colors or can they actually activate a crystal not snorring ?

[heavy ridge]

Bios can activate yellow crystals during the day, and White crystals at night.
In the right conditions, they can give other dragons ticks,

But most people use them to change yellow or white to some different color, by failing the tick on purpose.

You aim at the crystal (press rmb) and 1 call,
If you want to pop it, you call 9-10 times, if you just want to change the color, call one time and wait

[pseudo verge]

ok ty very much !

[unreal drift]

i bet cyan is ice and yellow is venom for night cycle we just dont have either yet

[cosmic river]

all dragons can change the color of a geode by failing activation

[pseudo verge]

and as gremlin said failing any geode would be 1 calling 1 time and stoping with any dragon ?

[heavy ridge]

Yup, if you stop before it pops, it'll fail and reset to a new color

But only if the geode would pop for that dragon.

[pseudo verge]

hmm i c i c , ty very much

another question sorry to bother , if we can't manage to change a color ( for exemple im in front of a cyan at night) do we know how many time it take for the geode to stop its activation ?

[heavy ridge]

10-15 seconds to fail,
Can be over half an hour for it to deactivate naturally.

It looks like there's 2 garenteed active geodes at all times, so flying around is generally better then waiting

[pseudo verge]

i c i c , and the 2 geodes active thingy that ur saying is in corralation with what i thougt , so ty for answering again ! ^^

[heavy ridge]

❤️ happy to help.

[velvet spire]

How many times can we change the color?

[velvet spire]

Okay but how does it work, let’s say it’s night time and blue for SS. Only the SS can change the color at that specific time if you don’t want to take it for SS?
if I change the color then I will need the dragon that applies to the next color to get the tick?

[maiden island]

yes and yes

[brisk haven]

had this happen to us too, we think it could have been related to time changing in the middle of us calling at it

nvm saw it was a hitbox issue

[copper elm]

Cyan could more than likely be ice and yellow could be for brood watcher/no bile. Both are not in yet to test though but it makes sense.

[heavy ridge]

Imo, yellow makes more sense for venom.

We'd get one for each of the main 6 elements,

And then white would work for the non-standard elements, such as Bioluminesent Bile and No Bile.

As White acts as a catch all during the day, and Bio is the only one who can get the White crystal to pop at night, I think this makes the most sense.

[frigid harbor]

Wait im still soo confused.. What crystal do I eat when im 0% elder blitz??

[white path]

green during the day

pink/magenta during the night

also you don't eat them,,,,,,

you plant your butt in front of the crystal and scream at the white part (aim at it like you're gonna shoot it)

[untold barn]

you scream at them and out of sheer terror of you they give you a funky little pulse

[white path]

if it starts glowing (on the first screm) you're doing it right

if not, try repositioning

or cry

one of the two

[pseudo verge]

what do you guys call non standard elements for the night time white geode ?

[heavy ridge]

The Bio can do Night Whites.

[pseudo verge]

oki i c , thanks !

[heavy ridge]

There is 6 main elements that Jao is planning to have multiple dragons of each,
Ice & Fire
Lightning & Plasma
Acid & Venom

[white path]

we are guessing in advance that the brood can also activate white

Fire

• Flame Stalker
• Inferno Ravager
• Fireclaw Behemoth

Ice

• Frostfel Wyvern
• Icehorn Behemoth

Lightning

• Blitz Striker

Plasma

• Shadow Scale
• Singe Crest

Acid

• Acid Spitter
• Zygovo

Venom

Non-Element (Or weird elements)

• Biolumin
• Brood Watcher
• Dravern
• Mimikor

[wide canopy]

Behemoths elder overtime
-# also too big to reach half of these

[cyan halo]

isnt tidal shock gonna be lightning too?

[white path]

they can naturally elder, not the 12h ticks we have but rather naturally, like its just another growth stage (apparently, i could be wrong, don't quote me on this)

[white path]

probably! however im refraining from writing anything past 1.7 due to lack of details

[paper galleon]

does the crystal remain there during the day or does it disappear after a few minutes ?

[eager heath]

they take about 30 minutes to stop glowing on their own
so if you found it with little time left it will stop glowing
otherwise - no they should not dissapear just cause time changed

aslo crystals are fixed, they are always there and never disappear if that was your question

[wild owl]

Don't know if anyone has run into this problem before but I have come across two green crystals at night as an ASD; both times I didn't get a tick from them. My elder percentage is 54%

[white path]

crystals never leave, the color may vanish tho!

you gotta catch em while they're glowy

[paper galleon]

i just got a white one but sormoen said they need a blitz to activate it

[white path]

what time of day??

[hallow mountain]

I've heard that elder crystals can be shared (like two ss can take a tick from the same crystal, if they are close to each other), is it true or just a rumor?

[eager heath]

true

[past skiff]

I just did a like 15+ red night crystal party on sanctary

[hallow mountain]

Oh that's amazing

[wary kindle]

what about the new system. its so confusing. what activates what and at what time and %? and i was standing next to a green cristal with my 71% IR. i did not get a tick. happend with ss 90% and a green one too. do i need to call at it too or just standing next to it?

[past skiff]

Daytime is elder % and nighttime is dragontype/elemet, during day green is 0-15%?

[wary kindle]

so if im over 15% i dont get the tick even if im standing near?

[past skiff]

Yes

If you don't meet the conditions you don't get a tick

[eager heath]

it should let you get tick if your "one crystal color" over

or under

which would for green be 15-30% too

but you cannot activate it

[wary kindle]

damn, and i thought it would be easier XD i guess i will grind the daylies further.

[past skiff]

Night is easier for all but asd

ASD be like 700W

[wary kindle]

asd really is pain.

[eager heath]

found Cyan (15-30) - set up a party with:
19% IR - activated
33% FS, 36% FS - 30-45% (one category up)
0% SS, 6% SS, 5% SS - 0-15% (one category down)

only the IR got the tick

[heavy ridge]

Hmmmm

[eager heath]

it was a real good crystal placement too - no hitbox issues for sure, everyone should be in range

[high cloud]

Morning red 81% asd wont work? @heavy ridge maybe good info for ya

72% ss made it pop tho

so i asume red only goes to 80%

[heavy ridge]

Yeah, the red to yellow transition is between 75 and 80, so that tracks ❤️

[heavy ridge]

Did you catch if the 81% ASD got a shared tick?

[high cloud]

im the asd xD

and no

i got nuffin

[heavy ridge]

Hmmm kay ❤️

[high cloud]

:3

[frigid harbor]

Ah u dont eat the yummy crystals.. got it.. Also, do they just randomly spawn at a crystal spawn point? like, a random color?

and I ran into a few crystals, but they were all inactive apparently. How do I know when they will be active? I found a magenta at night but it was "off" why is that? Aren't they supposed to be active at night?

[ionic trench]

so inactive = not a color (not rumbling and not shining any of the seven active colors)
but an active crystal isn't always your active crystal. That one depends on your bile type (if Night) or your growth% (if day)

The crystals will randomly activate, and then deactivate after a while if not used; there is no real way to predict when a crystal will activate or what color it will become

there's a chart that shows which color for which percent (Day) or per bile type (Night) in the pins 📌

[frigid harbor]

oh I get it, so If I were a 15 - 30% blitz I would eat cyan during day?

Tysm for the explanation abt the active/inactive crystals!!!!

[turbid comet]

Someone should make a chart that has the colors and the percentages they tie to

[turbid comet]

TYYY

[gaunt stream]

This was made a few days ago by Gremlin

[naive otter]

its also pinned for easy findings!

[fiery cloak]

What are the percents supposed to mean?

[minor hinge]

Elder %

so if im anywhere from 0-15% in my eldering process (Im at 8% rn) - I can call a green crystal during the day and it'll glow and will increase % for eldering

[fiery cloak]

Is it just me or is the new elder system a bit… convoluted.

Like it’s overcompensating.

[minor hinge]

I mean you can always elder by just playing

you get like 1.5% or smthn every 12 hrs? I forget the time gap

[fiery cloak]

Wait, so no matter what kind of dragon I am, a green crystal would work during those percentages?

[minor hinge]

mhm

before we ate mushrooms and it was like specific mushrooms for specific dragons

and you could camp the spots

but now its said to be camp proof?

bc there's no knowing when each crystal will glow and no knowing if that color will work for you

[fiery cloak]

Yeah, but broadcast?

[minor hinge]

so you cant get them in secret

[fiery cloak]

Just telling the whole server “I’m trying to elder, kill me, kill me.”

[minor hinge]

lmao pretty much

[fiery cloak]

Why is hiding it a bad thing?

[minor hinge]

idk I was all for it but then again I dont pvp so that might be like a risk thing for those ppl

[fiery cloak]

Yeah… pvp servers, where people will gang up on you for being there. If I’m screaming at a crystal, I’m just telling everyone in distance to kill me because I’m trying to elder.

[minor hinge]

I mean if youre in a group it would be easier too bc you have backup but yea I see your point

[fiery cloak]

So wouldn’t it just be one more point in favor of clans, the very thing people wanted to prevent?

[minor hinge]

they didnt want to prevent clans as far as I know (im pretty uneducated in alla this so make sure to fact check me lol) but they were against camping it

again I dont know much abt this especially from a pro and con point of view for pvp players so Im definetly not the best person to ask abt this

this is all just what I think I might know based off of bits and pieces I remeber hearing

[fiery cloak]

No, I mean one thing that people wanted to prevent was weighing things heavily in the favor of clans, making solo unviable. If on a pvp servers to use the crystals I need a group just so I’m not sniped from the skies, then it just puts one more point in favor of a clan style gameplay, possibly making solo players more alienated.

[minor hinge]

Yeah that makes sense and im sure there are arguments for both sides lol- I cant give you a straight answer but for now Id say you might be safer sticking to the slooowwww grind eldering of just logging in daily for your free 1.5% or whatever it is

itll only take 65 odd days or smth to elder like that T-T

[fiery cloak]

“Only” 65 odd days. I do have a life.

[minor hinge]

XD

I mean im on a pve server and like my nightly thing is to get on for a half hour or a little less and do a quick scan of the crystals ive memorized- I get that daily % and with luck ill find some crystals that actually work ;w;

again im sure changes will be made to it bc youre not the first person to be against this new way

im sure the devs will figure smthn out

[velvet spire]

I wish elder crystals would help speed up regular growth once you hit juvi since we are able to fly

[minor hinge]

:0 good idea but then younger babas cant really get to most of them if they cant cross those large distances and on a pvp server if they brodcast theyre for sure dead

lol yea juvi is an improtant detail

[lime igloo]

magenta not working for my 47.3% fs on dawn

[heavy ridge]

-# the hitboxes for eldering are known to be occasionally buggy, and turn out a false negative once in a while. Jao's working on it

[slender arrow]

Good good 👍

[steep salmon]

do yo uhave to yell at a crystal to activate it, i have yet to find one with a color, "ON'"

[tranquil cobalt]

You will find it with its colour. As of yet, there seems no way to make an inactive Geode colour up.

[eager heath]

fun fact!
so we decided to drop a crystal to science
cyan rolled -> cyan rolled -> cyan (pop) - though it cannot be rolled
green crystal rolled -> dark blue rolled -> dark blue rolled -> green rolled -> blue (pop) - too lazy to continue

does that mean its luck based and we just happened to always only roll the 2?
does that mean Crystal has X (1-2) amount of colors and it rolls between those?

[tranquil cobalt]

Could be a great thing to see if other follow suit

[eager heath]

yea thats why i wanted to share - hope more people than my group can try so we have more data xd

[tranquil cobalt]

We had a Yellow change to green

[tender lily]

What happens when the crystal is shining in white after you scream at it? What do we have to do next?

[silver helm]

you activate it just like the other colors if its day

at night only bio can reroll the color

[tranquil cobalt]

Just keep shouting till it pops

[naive otter]

I've had yellow change to red

[summer arch]

we made a crystal have 4 different colors

i think it can just roll into any, just you with your luck

[eager heath]

As I said - just wanted to raise the question XD

[tranquil cobalt]

It was a good thing to check

[delicate shard]

weve had a yellow change to blue

[eager heath]

We have had many change color once to random color
It was more of a question of one glow cycle picking a set 1-2 colors that can be rolled between

It would be an interesting mechanic to discourage rolling till you have a specific color (for example white)

[sand notch]

anyone got a map where all crystals are located visually?

[heavy ridge]

#1286563504114892810

They have the most recent one pinned

[sand notch]

Ooo thank u!

[minor hinge]

Not able to pop a green crystal on the waterfall by the big tree (im at 10% rn and its day)

Edit: wait its Morning rn does that change anything?

[eager heath]

the one at the waterfall cliff?

[minor hinge]

mhm

[eager heath]

or the one lower down on a ledge?

ahh the top one is so broken XD

[minor hinge]

nah waterfall cliff

T--T

[eager heath]

you have to do a really bad agle

we managed with a bio hovering left side in front of it XD

nothing else seemed to work - even sitting on top of it

[minor hinge]

TwT I cant get it

and this was the first crystal ive found that I theoretically could have popped TwT

[heavy ridge]

I feel that, the first (and only) crystal I encountered that was active, was up on top of the falls, and it was white.

Couldn't angle right to get it.

Jao's currently bugswatting the crystal hitboxes.

[minor hinge]

I FOUND A SPOT

@heavy ridge @eager heath

Popped the waterfall cliff crystal :D

I had used alt movement to inch my way below it (which wasnt popping it) so then I tried to hover high enough to be right next to it which worked :D

[minor hinge]

12% blits is unable ot pop a green ceiling crystal under big tree

[delicate shard]

what time of day?

[minor hinge]

Morning but another blits came over and started it somehow

I was hovering which might have given me a bad angle- they were sitting on a ledge nearby

[delicate shard]

oh yeah that one is buggy

u have to be on the ledge at perfect eyeheight

[minor hinge]

Ahh kk

ended up joining them on the ledge so I got the % when it popped too :>

[delicate shard]

buce

nice

i missed my first one cause of that bug

[minor hinge]

This was my first one lol- it was glitched but I was stupidly persistent till I found an angle that worked

[minor hinge]

Not to be rude, or anything I promise!, can you please update this for red into yellow?

Red goes from 60-75%
And yellow goes from 75-100%!

Nothing major just wished to inform you that the % is a little off!, I tested it with multiple people and we couldn't activate red the moment we hit 75% but we could start activating yellows!

[last minnow]

can confirm i was one of those people, did one red and hit 75%, tried it again then couldnt do reds after

[eager heath]

Can confirm with 80% activating yellow xd
If anybody still can find my sheet here it's fixed there ^^'
(Sheet is to help people who don't want to remember what crystals they need at what time or have hard time doing that - you can input your dragon and % to tell you which crystals to look for OR input the crystal and time of day to find what species and % can use it)

[heavy ridge]

See, im aware.
but discord won't let me edit images
So that post ain't a changing.
Which is unfortunate, given that Jao pinned it, and I'm real proud of that.
But yeah, updated image.

-# there we go, sorry about that

[tranquil cobalt]

Right after my video lol

[heavy ridge]

Of course

Couldn't have it be any other way, could we?

But yeah, my bad Luse, counted it as 15 down from 100, rather then 15 up from 60. Math error.

[tranquil cobalt]

No worries lol ill just add a pinned comment

It explains why yellow pops up so much

[tranquil cobalt]

It's all random

Without set patterns and times it stops them from the mushroom problem of people just camping a spot and logging in when the timer runs out.

Correct

[jagged patrol]

If you are already an elder, you get stunned 😄

[naive otter]

Interesting. I wonder if this is meant to happen

[eager heath]

the text saying "you are overwhelmed with power" claims yes - it likely is intentional and its COOL XD

[jagged patrol]

Now we are testing the range xD

[eager heath]

lets go! XD

[jagged patrol]

One SS length and still stunned 😄

[naive otter]

That is fascinating

[tardy perch]

Cool!

Though that ASD using bite to cancel it's call is smart

[oak goblet]

That sounds great to prevent elders from guarding stones on pvp tbh.

[muted moat]

It doesn’t rlly stop it tho lol

[eager heath]

its gonna be dangerous to camp them on elders - gonna have to be quite far if you dont wanna sit still for 3-5 seconds after (loudly) shouting at a crystal for 3 minutes

[jagged patrol]

Interrupting the scream with a bite is also quieter than screaming at the stone (for a long time). It is more likely that you will remain “undetected”

[hollow marsh]

It also helps when you're super impatient lol

[wispy gale]

wonder if it works with the IR set on fire to prevent getting stunned

[fast ermine]

Anyone have a picture of all the crystal colors?

[solar hedge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/576933363672285186/1209681807746801724/1288682393649020998

there killjoy, it's in pinned

[sage cape]

We were testing some things and we actually found out that biting to cancel a roar only works for people in render distance for everyone else the sound plays in full

(At least for asd I haven’t personally tested the others I just assume it’s the same situation)

[slender arrow]

It’s like the ASD q we would pre turn it on so our enemies wouldn’t hear the growl but it didn’t matter cuz once we got in there render the sound would play

[solar hedge]

So how do you acid spitters deal with this new elder system? Any tips?

This elder system seems to hurt acids a bit just due to the locations of the crystals. Hoping when caves come in that more crystals are placed in them for the ground guys

[hollow marsh]

Just eldered my asd yesterday, it's definitely difficult but since I'm on a PVE server I just have a group to block the crystal until I get there

[heavy ridge]

Scarlet also made this one, comparing night & day

[maiden island]

i tried to get those pictures at like... noon so it was the brightest, some of hem were in caves though saddly lol

[heavy ridge]

Still very helpful.
Goodness knows I'm over here holding that image on my phone, up next to the monitor.

[naive otter]

Yip @maiden island supplied me the photos. All I did was make the graph ^.^ teamwork!

[naive otter]

I also lost an ASD cuz I wasn't paying attention to her thirst 😒 I'm silly

[fast ermine]

Any discobery about the white one? Or nothing yet

[naive otter]

What we know about White is that it seems to be elemental/bile-less which means bios can trigger it at night
so when a dragon arrive in DoD and doesnt have a bile type and is a class type that can elder, they can trigger white! Assumingly! if this is true!

so during the day any derg can trigger it for a elder tic while at night is based on the type of bile its meant to be so in the future nurses might be able to use white if this is true! as far as we know only bios can trigger white at night but anyone can trigger white during the day

[rapid belfry]

So like was the elusive eldering method of 1.0.0 ever found?

[opaque mulch]

One of my admins got this after being elder. Does it do anything?

It's been on any crystal and any color

[upbeat igloo]

No.. just says “you are overwhelmed with power” and does nothing

[opaque mulch]

@gilded lynx

[gilded lynx]

btw, we've gotten yello crystals to work at 77%

when red would not

so we think red stops at 75%, yellow starts and goes to 100%

[wide canopy]

Probably just confirming youre elder

Like
You feel stronger

[pliant violet]

Someone got shocked previously for being too close to an elder stone as an elder

[last minnow]

yea its already in the pins lol

[gilded lynx]

oops my bad, didnt realize